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"If I get to see management, I'd ask them about their action to help to protect their staff and the public, including what they pay staff if they think they may have got infected. Ideally it wouldn't be a sole staff member not wearing a mask, who would get victimised, as I'd aim instead to discuss it with them. Unfortunately, people who may have very traumatic experiences may be unable to wear them. People make mistakes too, including forgetting things. I'd not want to retraumatise someone in the way that I engaged with them, so it would need to be very sensitive. " This fudging are blurring of the guidelines is dragging this on and on. Consistency is key here. | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption." I don't understand why some people only cover their mouths and leave their noses on show. | |||
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"So you go into aldi,tesco,asda,lidl and the shelf stickers are not wearing a mask or visor...would you say..do something ,now it's a legal requirement to wear one?" To be fair, the staff I saw yesterday were wearing them. Is give it a day or two before saying anything but even then only if it was widespread around the store that staff weren't wearing them. An individual may be exempt and I wouldn't want to cause that person any ill feeling or embarrassment. | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption." On the medical side ..is that not why the visors have been brought into this? I ask because I'm not sure on this. | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. I don't understand why some people only cover their mouths and leave their noses on show." I don't understand much around people's reactions to and interpretation of regulations, especially what two meters looks like | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. I don't understand why some people only cover their mouths and leave their noses on show." They get me all the time...my tongue is half bitten off  | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. On the medical side ..is that not why the visors have been brought into this? I ask because I'm not sure on this." , No idea but I thought a visor was only effective worn in conjunction with a mask. That's why my hairdresser wears both. | |||
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"Mandatory from Thursday so guess its their choice up to then. "Is it though it they are the magnate to the virus? | |||
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"Visors do not stop breathing or lip reading. The only thing is their cost, availability and portability when they are not being worn outside." They are not classed as suitable face coverings from Friday as they don't cover your mouth, you need a mask under it | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. On the medical side ..is that not why the visors have been brought into this? I ask because I'm not sure on this." What if they can't wear a mask or visor ? | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. I don't understand why some people only cover their mouths and leave their noses on show." Fact my mask gave me a nose pimple | |||
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"Also when you see the abuse they're being subjected to. Our local news last night showed a woman tipping £100s worth of wine on the floor of a co-op because they'd asked her to stick to a one way route. Shocking!" Half the customers in aldi last night were not wearing masks. I thought it was wrong to ask people to wear one if they are exempt. People coughing over food. | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. On the medical side ..is that not why the visors have been brought into this? I ask because I'm not sure on this. What if they can't wear a mask or visor ? " Maybe they shouldn't be on the shop floor? | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.." Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. I don't understand why some people only cover their mouths and leave their noses on show. Fact my mask gave me a nose pimple " Perhaps add some Calendula next time? Could be good for our skin | |||
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"No you don't need to do or say anything... A company is no more responsible for enforcing it for staff than they are customers... They can't fine staff £200 and there not going to fire a module employee for forgetting to put a maks on... All they can do is ensure enough ppe is available and staff know to have one... Only police and officials have the power to enforce the rule so all you will do by confronting people is get peoples backs up risk pissing somone off or upsetting somone who is medically exempt... At the end of the day if you see somone without one just stay 2 mtrs away from them "  | |||
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"Funny how we worked all through lockdown, when most of the population was inside, without masks with no problems. Now suddenly, not wearing a mask is tantamount to trying to murder people. Personally, I’d prefer not to wear one for a whole shift. And if you’re taking it on and off, then handling produce, there has to be a possibility of cross contamination............ The disposable paper ones are only good for 20 minutes or so, scarfs are pretty useless. The whole mask thing is more of a sop to get people’s confidence up than any real effect at stopping transmissions " The thing is we cant afford another lockdown...so we have to tighten up on other measures to quell the spread. And while there has been many threads about the pros and cons of masks..in my view they are the best way to hold it back...dont forget people who were shielding during lockdown are no longer...many have to get their own shopping. | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. On the medical side ..is that not why the visors have been brought into this? I ask because I'm not sure on this. What if they can't wear a mask or visor ? " Dunk them in water. If they float sack them on the spot, but make sure there’s a crowd to witness judgement being passed. Socially distanced obviously. | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.. Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. " I've only seen one woman wear it once and she didn't move out of the tiny doorway, when I left the shop. | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. On the medical side ..is that not why the visors have been brought into this? I ask because I'm not sure on this., No idea but I thought a visor was only effective worn in conjunction with a mask. That's why my hairdresser wears both. " Correct Nicecouple. A visor is not a mask replacement, they have never been intended to be and shouldn't be used as such. | |||
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"No you don't need to do or say anything... A company is no more responsible for enforcing it for staff than they are customers... They can't fine staff £200 and there not going to fire a module employee for forgetting to put a maks on... All they can do is ensure enough ppe is available and staff know to have one... Only police and officials have the power to enforce the rule so all you will do by confronting people is get peoples backs up risk pissing somone off or upsetting somone who is medically exempt... At the end of the day if you see somone without one just stay 2 mtrs away from them " That’s impossible when these people have to be served and money is exchanged Xx | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.. Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. " Really? The world’s going mad. Hopefully only on the fab forums. | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.. Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. " Why should disabled people/people with medical conditions be tagged? Sorry, but that starts us down a very murky path. Why not just brand it on our foreheads and have done with it?! Plenty of people with medical conditions don't want to have every Tom, Dick and Henrietta privvy to what their condition is. The interesting fact though is countries like South Korea and many in Europe simply don't have the option for exemptions and plenty of people who presumably have health conditions are managing to wear masks just fine. A lot are using medical exemption as an excuse, sadly. If my 81yo dad with atrial fibrillation can wear one........ | |||
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"Also when you see the abuse they're being subjected to. Our local news last night showed a woman tipping £100s worth of wine on the floor of a co-op because they'd asked her to stick to a one way route. Shocking!" I’ve just seen this on Facebook. | |||
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"I wouldn't say anything no, but will carry on doing what I do now when a shop worker gets too close and ask them to move " What would you do if they were stacking the shelves at the place where you wand to get a tin of beans from? | |||
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"So you go into aldi,tesco,asda,lidl and the shelf stickers are not wearing a mask or visor...would you say..do something ,now it's a legal requirement to wear one?" I think this should have a rule from the start shop workers should wear masks unless standing behind a screen. Also staff waiting on in restuarants and pubs to | |||
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"I wouldn't say anything no, but will carry on doing what I do now when a shop worker gets too close and ask them to move What would you do if they were stacking the shelves at the place where you wand to get a tin of beans from?" Ask them to shift | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.. Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. Really? The world’s going mad. Hopefully only on the fab forums." No gone mad all over the place lol | |||
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"I wouldn't say anything no, but will carry on doing what I do now when a shop worker gets too close and ask them to move What would you do if they were stacking the shelves at the place where you wand to get a tin of beans from? Ask them to shift" Maybe I'll have to do that...I do a little circle around the aisles and hope they've buggered off when I get back  | |||
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"I wouldn't say anything no, but will carry on doing what I do now when a shop worker gets too close and ask them to move What would you do if they were stacking the shelves at the place where you wand to get a tin of beans from? Ask them to shift Maybe I'll have to do that...I do a little circle around the aisles and hope they've buggered off when I get back " | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.. Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. " The abuse was and is in general, not sure I would want my personal medical issues on show for everyone to have a nosey at.. | |||
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"I wouldn't say anything no, but will carry on doing what I do now when a shop worker gets too close and ask them to move What would you do if they were stacking the shelves at the place where you wand to get a tin of beans from?" No different than before all this, ask them politely to move a second so you can reach something. | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. I don't understand why some people only cover their mouths and leave their noses on show." Covering my nose steams my glasses up. | |||
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"Visors do not stop breathing or lip reading. The only thing is their cost, availability and portability when they are not being worn outside. They are not classed as suitable face coverings from Friday as they don't cover your mouth, you need a mask under it" Do you have a source for that as I've not seen anything defining what people wear as yet | |||
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"Visors do not stop breathing or lip reading. The only thing is their cost, availability and portability when they are not being worn outside. They are not classed as suitable face coverings from Friday as they don't cover your mouth, you need a mask under it Do you have a source for that as I've not seen anything defining what people wear as yet " the flip top ones are not totally safe unless you wear a mask as well but the new type visors are fine. These are like perspex masks | |||
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"Visors do not stop breathing or lip reading. The only thing is their cost, availability and portability when they are not being worn outside. They are not classed as suitable face coverings from Friday as they don't cover your mouth, you need a mask under it Do you have a source for that as I've not seen anything defining what people wear as yet the flip top ones are not totally safe unless you wear a mask as well but the new type visors are fine. These are like perspex masks " They maybe good for the ones who can't cover their big noses  | |||
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"By some of them being exempt from wearing them it will only draw criticism. The same as lots of customers now are not wearing masks, it's too easy to just say I'm exempt and not wear one simply because they don't want to or forgot their mask. It's should be mandatory for everyone in a public place regardless to wear one if it does prevent the spread. " Everyone in a public place should wear one? Absolute bollocks. I can make sure I'm more than 2m from others - even during peak summer when the tourists invaded (as to quote some, they came down here to forget about Covid ). Many locals such as myself simply avoided the hot spots. Any requirement for face covering needs to include "where it is not possible to maintain 2m separation" to avoid it becoming farcical. | |||
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"By some of them being exempt from wearing them it will only draw criticism. The same as lots of customers now are not wearing masks, it's too easy to just say I'm exempt and not wear one simply because they don't want to or forgot their mask. It's should be mandatory for everyone in a public place regardless to wear one if it does prevent the spread. Everyone in a public place should wear one? Absolute bollocks. I can make sure I'm more than 2m from others - even during peak summer when the tourists invaded (as to quote some, they came down here to forget about Covid ). Many locals such as myself simply avoided the hot spots. Any requirement for face covering needs to include "where it is not possible to maintain 2m separation" to avoid it becoming farcical."Thing is....it will be mandatory. | |||
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"Visors do not stop breathing or lip reading. The only thing is their cost, availability and portability when they are not being worn outside. They are not classed as suitable face coverings from Friday as they don't cover your mouth, you need a mask under it Do you have a source for that as I've not seen anything defining what people wear as yet " No i don't, I'm a supervisor at B&Q and we've just had our briefing today ready to pass on to staff members, we have been told that under the new government guidelines face shields are not suitable as they don't cover your mouth and should you cough in one the broplets would still be able to escape from under it but I've not seen first hand the gidlenes they have based this desision on. | |||
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"Shop staff are not challenging customers who do not wear one, it is likely to be for medical reasons in most cases. Why would customers challenge staff surely the same would apply. If people i work with don't wear one, it is a conversation between them, their line manager and their G.P. not a customer who has no information." Totally wrong on the G.P. They are keeping out of this one. The people who are exempt mostly go to asthma uk website and download a certificate from there...strange thing though is on asthma uk website they say face masks should be able to be worn by asthmatics. | |||
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"I wouldn't say anything no, but will carry on doing what I do now when a shop worker gets too close and ask them to move What would you do if they were stacking the shelves at the place where you wand to get a tin of beans from? Ask them to shift Maybe I'll have to do that...I do a little circle around the aisles and hope they've buggered off when I get back
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"Just been to get the big shop and every single person in there , customers and workers had masks on. Must be the first time " Good to hear | |||
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"I wouldn't say anything no, but will carry on doing what I do now when a shop worker gets too close and ask them to move What would you do if they were stacking the shelves at the place where you wand to get a tin of beans from?" Ask them to move, they normally do if you ask politely | |||
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"As I understand it, it isn't mandatory until Thursday. From Thursday I won't say anything though. Until the majority of customers can abide by social distancing and wear their masks correctly I don't feel I can criticise staff. Also I don't know if they have a !medical exemption. On the medical side ..is that not why the visors have been brought into this? I ask because I'm not sure on this." on the current government list of exemptions it just says that those people don't have to wear a face covering, this would include visors. | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.. Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. I've only seen one woman wear it once and she didn't move out of the tiny doorway, when I left the shop." Yes wear a lanyard but absolutely not explaining the reason. Its none of your or anyone else's business why I don't wear one all you need to know is im exempt and wearing the lanyard does that. | |||
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"I've been told by work, that I need an exemption certificate from the doctor not to wear one as i have both asthma and severe anxiety issues from a childhood trauma. I spoke to my GP this morning who told me to self certify. Apparently theres a letter to download from the government website. Although I can only find the exemption card I've been carrying since July. I am concerned about the backlash I will receive from my customers. Those same customers that all the way through lockdown were abusive about having to queue and social distance and stick to one way systems for their (non) essential shopping. Really not looking forward to going to work tomorrow. " Unfortunately as far as im aware it only the exemption cards. I was sent a letter by my doctor 3 days ago saying I'm exempt. Their is a full list of exemptions on the government website and Unfortunately asthma and anxiety on its own wouldn't make you expect. Check the list and make sure you fit into an exemption category then if you do, go back to the doctor and ask again. | |||
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"I've been told by work, that I need an exemption certificate from the doctor not to wear one as i have both asthma and severe anxiety issues from a childhood trauma. I spoke to my GP this morning who told me to self certify. Apparently theres a letter to download from the government website. Although I can only find the exemption card I've been carrying since July. I am concerned about the backlash I will receive from my customers. Those same customers that all the way through lockdown were abusive about having to queue and social distance and stick to one way systems for their (non) essential shopping. Really not looking forward to going to work tomorrow. " Iv just copied this from the government website. Exemption cards Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this, this includes exemption cards. No person needs to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about their reason for not wearing a face covering. Some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. So maybe have a look at show this to your employer. If you really don't feel you can wear one. | |||
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"I've been told by work, that I need an exemption certificate from the doctor not to wear one as i have both asthma and severe anxiety issues from a childhood trauma. I spoke to my GP this morning who told me to self certify. Apparently theres a letter to download from the government website. Although I can only find the exemption card I've been carrying since July. I am concerned about the backlash I will receive from my customers. Those same customers that all the way through lockdown were abusive about having to queue and social distance and stick to one way systems for their (non) essential shopping. Really not looking forward to going to work tomorrow. Iv just copied this from the government website. Exemption cards Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this, this includes exemption cards. No person needs to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about their reason for not wearing a face covering. Some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. So maybe have a look at show this to your employer. If you really don't feel you can wear one. " Thanks I have it ready to show along with the card. | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.. Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. " What happened to confidentiality? Jesus, it's no one else's business. | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.. Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. Why should disabled people/people with medical conditions be tagged? Sorry, but that starts us down a very murky path. Why not just brand it on our foreheads and have done with it?! Plenty of people with medical conditions don't want to have every Tom, Dick and Henrietta privvy to what their condition is. The interesting fact though is countries like South Korea and many in Europe simply don't have the option for exemptions and plenty of people who presumably have health conditions are managing to wear masks just fine. A lot are using medical exemption as an excuse, sadly. If my 81yo dad with atrial fibrillation can wear one........ " I'm not saying they should be tagged! I'm a vulnerable person and I happily wear a mask. My point was ALL people should wear them, unless they have a medical reason. And for those who genuinely do, wear a tag/badge etc to indicate. It doesn't have to say what their condition is. | |||
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"I've been told by work, that I need an exemption certificate from the doctor not to wear one as i have both asthma and severe anxiety issues from a childhood trauma. I spoke to my GP this morning who told me to self certify. Apparently theres a letter to download from the government website. Although I can only find the exemption card I've been carrying since July. I am concerned about the backlash I will receive from my customers. Those same customers that all the way through lockdown were abusive about having to queue and social distance and stick to one way systems for their (non) essential shopping. Really not looking forward to going to work tomorrow. " Imagine how many complaints to management you will generate because you will be seen not wearing a mask, putting customers lives at risk. | |||
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"The abuse of shop staff has risen since March, there was a letter cosigned by I think 22 CEO's to the government in relation to it.. Staff shouldn't be subject to it at any time, perhaps start banning some of these abusers and see if that has any effect.. Maybe they should wear a lanyard/badge explaining their medical reason? Would be simple to do. Why should disabled people/people with medical conditions be tagged? Sorry, but that starts us down a very murky path. Why not just brand it on our foreheads and have done with it?! Plenty of people with medical conditions don't want to have every Tom, Dick and Henrietta privvy to what their condition is. The interesting fact though is countries like South Korea and many in Europe simply don't have the option for exemptions and plenty of people who presumably have health conditions are managing to wear masks just fine. A lot are using medical exemption as an excuse, sadly. If my 81yo dad with atrial fibrillation can wear one........ I'm not saying they should be tagged! I'm a vulnerable person and I happily wear a mask. My point was ALL people should wear them, unless they have a medical reason. And for those who genuinely do, wear a tag/badge etc to indicate. It doesn't have to say what their condition is." You are exempt because you are vulnerable you are exempt if you have a disability or condition that prevents you wearing a mask. Even with the lanyard on people still feel the need to ask the reason why I'm not wearing one. I often do wear one but sometimes I don't. I have valid reasons for that I don't need to explain to anyone. | |||
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"I've been told by work, that I need an exemption certificate from the doctor not to wear one as i have both asthma and severe anxiety issues from a childhood trauma. I spoke to my GP this morning who told me to self certify. Apparently theres a letter to download from the government website. Although I can only find the exemption card I've been carrying since July. I am concerned about the backlash I will receive from my customers. Those same customers that all the way through lockdown were abusive about having to queue and social distance and stick to one way systems for their (non) essential shopping. Really not looking forward to going to work tomorrow. Imagine how many complaints to management you will generate because you will be seen not wearing a mask, putting customers lives at risk." WOW. | |||
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"I've been told by work, that I need an exemption certificate from the doctor not to wear one as i have both asthma and severe anxiety issues from a childhood trauma. I spoke to my GP this morning who told me to self certify. Apparently theres a letter to download from the government website. Although I can only find the exemption card I've been carrying since July. I am concerned about the backlash I will receive from my customers. Those same customers that all the way through lockdown were abusive about having to queue and social distance and stick to one way systems for their (non) essential shopping. Really not looking forward to going to work tomorrow. Imagine how many complaints to management you will generate because you will be seen not wearing a mask, putting customers lives at risk. WOW. "For those who believe wearing a mask makes a difference, having a medical exemption doesn't make you any less infectious. | |||
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"I've been told by work, that I need an exemption certificate from the doctor not to wear one as i have both asthma and severe anxiety issues from a childhood trauma. I spoke to my GP this morning who told me to self certify. Apparently theres a letter to download from the government website. Although I can only find the exemption card I've been carrying since July. I am concerned about the backlash I will receive from my customers. Those same customers that all the way through lockdown were abusive about having to queue and social distance and stick to one way systems for their (non) essential shopping. Really not looking forward to going to work tomorrow. Imagine how many complaints to management you will generate because you will be seen not wearing a mask, putting customers lives at risk. WOW.
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"If I get to see management, I'd ask them about their action to help to protect their staff and the public, including what they pay staff if they think they may have got infected. Ideally it wouldn't be a sole staff member not wearing a mask, who would get victimised, as I'd aim instead to discuss it with them. Just please stop the bickering and let's all use some common sense. That's all it is at the end of the day. So all the experts on here , Go have rest Unfortunately, people who may have very traumatic experiences may be unable to wear them. People make mistakes too, including forgetting things. I'd not want to retraumatise someone in the way that I engaged with them, so it would need to be very sensitive. This fudging are blurring of the guidelines is dragging this on and on. Consistency is key here." | |||
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"No you don't need to do or say anything... A company is no more responsible for enforcing it for staff than they are customers... They can't fine staff £200 and there not going to fire a module employee for forgetting to put a maks on... All they can do is ensure enough ppe is available and staff know to have one... Only police and officials have the power to enforce the rule so all you will do by confronting people is get peoples backs up risk pissing somone off or upsetting somone who is medically exempt... At the end of the day if you see somone without one just stay 2 mtrs away from them " but if they turned up to work without their uniform they would be sent home (or maybe given a spare by HR) ... if you work in the bakery/ butchers/ deli/ rotisserie areas you are in breach of your contract if you dont have appropriate ppe in the food prep area how is that different to forgetting a mask now? its not like they havent been given appropriate notice | |||
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"Why should disabled people/people with medical conditions be tagged? Parking bays require blue badges, toilets not available to the public, need to be available to IBS sufferers, hearing aids give you a clue that they might not hear you and are not ignoring you. Pregnant women need more space on a crowded bus/train. Blind people have sticks and dogs. These are non intentional tags, but they are there. If these people hide their conditions, then we will treat them as normal and that might not be in their best interests. I have seen some face masks with a clear middle section, someone is thinking of deaf people out there." Look up the medical and societal models of disability. If, for, example, all parking spaces were wide, we would need Blue Badges, because all parking spaces would be accessible. By the way, Blue Badge spaces does not have to be closer to the shops or anything like that, it's about the size to allow mobility aids to be taken to the car door and/or to allow the door to open fully. If buildings were designed to minimise steps and include ramps/lifts as standard, we wouldn't need to piss about asking for help getting inside places or looking like a twat when somewhere is actually totally inaccessible. If all toilets were wider and had grab rails, we wouldn't need Radar keys or special facilities. The list goes on. Do you think any disabled people WANT to be more obvious in society? Nope. We are because society is designed to exclude us. Until you experience disability yourself (not just as a carer or relative), you will never understand. I might be blindly obviously disabled by virtue of my wheelchair, but in the context of Covid 1) Means bugger all in relation to mask wearing for me. Having a leg that doesn't work properly is not a reason not to wear a mask. 2) My disability does not make me vulnerable to Covid any more than anyone else my age and gender. I have no other co-existing conditions which render me higher risk BUT If my disability DID make me mask exempt, I certainly wouldn't want to be bloody slapped with a label listing the name of my diagnosis etc! That's private information and anyone who wanted to know why I wasn't wearing one could take a hike. If an officer of the Law asked me, I'd explain my diagnosis in a private space, not in the earshot of the checkout queue. Why? Because my disability was caused by childbirth. Damage to my vagina, pelvic nerves and surrounding structures caused nerve damage to my leg and so to explain my disability, I have to explain how having prolapsed reproductive organs blah blah caused my problem. Now THAT has got fuck all to do with ANYONE apart from me and my medical team. And I would refuse to wear any label, sticker yellow star or whatever other marking other people think would be "appropriate" to explain why I am disabled. Good news for me and for society though, I CAN and DO wear a mask, so no need to sweat it, right? Wrong. I advocate for others with exempting disabilities. They do not need to explain, describe, write on labels or otherwise inform any member of the public (including store assistants) why or how they are disabled. | |||
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"So you go into aldi,tesco,asda,lidl and the shelf stickers are not wearing a mask or visor...would you say..do something ,now it's a legal requirement to wear one?" I thought this in Tesco today... then I thought actually it’s from Thursday, no? | |||
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"Shop staff are not challenging customers who do not wear one, it is likely to be for medical reasons in most cases. Why would customers challenge staff surely the same would apply. If people i work with don't wear one, it is a conversation between them, their line manager and their G.P. not a customer who has no information." Best comment so far | |||
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"So you go into aldi,tesco,asda,lidl and the shelf stickers are not wearing a mask or visor...would you say..do something ,now it's a legal requirement to wear one? I thought this in Tesco today... then I thought actually it’s from Thursday, no?" Just come back from a late shop at asda and same here...save it for tomorrow | |||
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"Why should disabled people/people with medical conditions be tagged? Parking bays require blue badges, toilets not available to the public, need to be available to IBS sufferers, hearing aids give you a clue that they might not hear you and are not ignoring you. Pregnant women need more space on a crowded bus/train. Blind people have sticks and dogs. These are non intentional tags, but they are there. If these people hide their conditions, then we will treat them as normal and that might not be in their best interests. I have seen some face masks with a clear middle section, someone is thinking of deaf people out there." Urm? I'm autistic so how exactly would you like me to unhide a hidden condition | |||
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"Why should disabled people/people with medical conditions be tagged? Parking bays require blue badges, toilets not available to the public, need to be available to IBS sufferers, hearing aids give you a clue that they might not hear you and are not ignoring you. Pregnant women need more space on a crowded bus/train. Blind people have sticks and dogs. These are non intentional tags, but they are there. If these people hide their conditions, then we will treat them as normal and that might not be in their best interests. I have seen some face masks with a clear middle section, someone is thinking of deaf people out there. Look up the medical and societal models of disability. If, for, example, all parking spaces were wide, we would need Blue Badges, because all parking spaces would be accessible. By the way, Blue Badge spaces does not have to be closer to the shops or anything like that, it's about the size to allow mobility aids to be taken to the car door and/or to allow the door to open fully. If buildings were designed to minimise steps and include ramps/lifts as standard, we wouldn't need to piss about asking for help getting inside places or looking like a twat when somewhere is actually totally inaccessible. If all toilets were wider and had grab rails, we wouldn't need Radar keys or special facilities. The list goes on. Do you think any disabled people WANT to be more obvious in society? Nope. We are because society is designed to exclude us. Until you experience disability yourself (not just as a carer or relative), you will never understand. I might be blindly obviously disabled by virtue of my wheelchair, but in the context of Covid 1) Means bugger all in relation to mask wearing for me. Having a leg that doesn't work properly is not a reason not to wear a mask. 2) My disability does not make me vulnerable to Covid any more than anyone else my age and gender. I have no other co-existing conditions which render me higher risk BUT If my disability DID make me mask exempt, I certainly wouldn't want to be bloody slapped with a label listing the name of my diagnosis etc! That's private information and anyone who wanted to know why I wasn't wearing one could take a hike. If an officer of the Law asked me, I'd explain my diagnosis in a private space, not in the earshot of the checkout queue. Why? Because my disability was caused by childbirth. Damage to my vagina, pelvic nerves and surrounding structures caused nerve damage to my leg and so to explain my disability, I have to explain how having prolapsed reproductive organs blah blah caused my problem. Now THAT has got fuck all to do with ANYONE apart from me and my medical team. And I would refuse to wear any label, sticker yellow star or whatever other marking other people think would be "appropriate" to explain why I am disabled. Good news for me and for society though, I CAN and DO wear a mask, so no need to sweat it, right? Wrong. I advocate for others with exempting disabilities. They do not need to explain, describe, write on labels or otherwise inform any member of the public (including store assistants) why or how they are disabled. " This is why i love you. Thank you for posting this.  | |||
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"Didn't the government mention that they will close down, all covid non secure businesses." Fines of up to £10k wasn't it? | |||
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"Funny how we worked all through lockdown, when most of the population was inside, without masks with no problems. Now suddenly, not wearing a mask is tantamount to trying to murder people. Personally, I’d prefer not to wear one for a whole shift. And if you’re taking it on and off, then handling produce, there has to be a possibility of cross contamination............ The disposable paper ones are only good for 20 minutes or so, scarfs are pretty useless. The whole mask thing is more of a sop to get people’s confidence up than any real effect at stopping transmissions " Precisely - and the store I work in has ancient, ineffective air conditioning - even without a mask it’s uncomfortably hot - with one - for a full shift - it’s unbearable. I’m also behind a safety screen anyway as I serve at a till - so see no reason why I should have to wear a mask too - which imo is a barrier to communication and good customer service - and makes life very difficult for our deaf customers.  | |||
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" it's a legal requirement to wear one?" Not if you're exempt. As for them working they do not even work in the surgical setting. I could point you to about 15 scientific papers saying that there is no strong evidence that they make a difference or I could just point you to the letter in the Telegraph (1st August 2020) - check it out it; from the former President and a former Council member of the Royal College of Surgeons (They should have an idea what they are talking about). "in our practices, we discarded masks more than 20 years ago, after a series of controlled trials showed that using them either had no effect on, or sometimes actually increased, the risk of post-operative infection" "How insisting on a measure shown to be useless or worse in not dissimilar circumstances will achieve this mystifies us." | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today." Mixed bag in my local Sainsburys. A couple of older workers not wearing them. Most were. | |||
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" it's a legal requirement to wear one? Not if you're exempt. As for them working they do not even work in the surgical setting. I could point you to about 15 scientific papers saying that there is no strong evidence that they make a difference or I could just point you to the letter in the Telegraph (1st August 2020) - check it out it; from the former President and a former Council member of the Royal College of Surgeons (They should have an idea what they are talking about). "in our practices, we discarded masks more than 20 years ago, after a series of controlled trials showed that using them either had no effect on, or sometimes actually increased, the risk of post-operative infection" "How insisting on a measure shown to be useless or worse in not dissimilar circumstances will achieve this mystifies us." " That's interesting and good information I had not heard of. Is he / she referring to practises in a sterile operating theatre with Dr's nurses and patients who have been sterilised and where hygiene is hopefully extremely high already? Or are they talking about a crowded tube or supermarket study? | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Mixed bag in my local Sainsburys. A couple of older workers not wearing them. Most were. " That makes no sense for the older workers not to wear them...unless they are exempt of course. But if not they are the most at risk of getting a bad outcome. | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today." Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there  | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there "Yep...I'd like to know what our German stores are like..as they dont normally  | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there
Yep...I'd like to know what our German stores are like..as they dont normally "It was a choice of each company, Tesco decided their staff should wear them, now it's mandatory, all shop staff should be wearing them, so will be interesting | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there
Yep...I'd like to know what our German stores are like..as they dont normally
It was a choice of each company, Tesco decided their staff should wear them, now it's mandatory, all shop staff should be wearing them, so will be interesting "Yes - and it will also be extremely hot and uncomfortable for the staff - and makes communication with customers difficult - particularly our customers, as roughly 50% of them have English as a second language and conversation is challenging even without masks. I have a huge Perspex screen surrounding me but now - thanks to the desperation of a government who have done more u-turns than a learner driver - and the witch hunting public who wear masks for half an hour in a store and think that equates to the discomfort of wearing them all day, every day whilst trying to work- I have to wear a mask too! Clearly installing the huge Perspex screens for employee and customers benefit was a pointless endeavour! | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there
Yep...I'd like to know what our German stores are like..as they dont normally
It was a choice of each company, Tesco decided their staff should wear them, now it's mandatory, all shop staff should be wearing them, so will be interesting
Yes - and it will also be extremely hot and uncomfortable for the staff - and makes communication with customers difficult - particularly our customers, as roughly 50% of them have English as a second language and conversation is challenging even without masks.
I have a huge Perspex screen surrounding me but now - thanks to the desperation of a government who have done more u-turns than a learner driver - and the witch hunting public who wear masks for half an hour in a store and think that equates to the discomfort of wearing them all day, every day whilst trying to work- I have to wear a mask too!
Clearly installing the huge Perspex screens for employee and customers benefit was a pointless endeavour! "To be fair I think if your behind a screen that should be adequate. On the shop floor and mingling with customers is another matter imo. | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there
Yep...I'd like to know what our German stores are like..as they dont normally
It was a choice of each company, Tesco decided their staff should wear them, now it's mandatory, all shop staff should be wearing them, so will be interesting
Yes - and it will also be extremely hot and uncomfortable for the staff - and makes communication with customers difficult - particularly our customers, as roughly 50% of them have English as a second language and conversation is challenging even without masks.
I have a huge Perspex screen surrounding me but now - thanks to the desperation of a government who have done more u-turns than a learner driver - and the witch hunting public who wear masks for half an hour in a store and think that equates to the discomfort of wearing them all day, every day whilst trying to work- I have to wear a mask too!
Clearly installing the huge Perspex screens for employee and customers benefit was a pointless endeavour!
To be fair I think if your behind a screen that should be adequate. On the shop floor and mingling with customers is another matter imo."Which is what I tried to explain to my manager when I was called into the office and instructed to wear a mask. When I’ve moved from that screen I’ve donned a mask since they became compulsory for the public. However - it’s a blanket rule and apparently common sense hasn’t been a consideration. A large part of my day today has consisted of repeating myself very slowly so foreign national customers can understand me - and still getting nowhere!
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there
Yep...I'd like to know what our German stores are like..as they dont normally
It was a choice of each company, Tesco decided their staff should wear them, now it's mandatory, all shop staff should be wearing them, so will be interesting
Yes - and it will also be extremely hot and uncomfortable for the staff - and makes communication with customers difficult - particularly our customers, as roughly 50% of them have English as a second language and conversation is challenging even without masks.
I have a huge Perspex screen surrounding me but now - thanks to the desperation of a government who have done more u-turns than a learner driver - and the witch hunting public who wear masks for half an hour in a store and think that equates to the discomfort of wearing them all day, every day whilst trying to work- I have to wear a mask too!
Clearly installing the huge Perspex screens for employee and customers benefit was a pointless endeavour!
To be fair I think if your behind a screen that should be adequate. On the shop floor and mingling with customers is another matter imo.
Which is what I tried to explain to my manager when I was called into the office and instructed to wear a mask. When I’ve moved from that screen I’ve donned a mask since they became compulsory for the public.
However - it’s a blanket rule and apparently common sense hasn’t been a consideration.
A large part of my day today has consisted of repeating myself very slowly so foreign national customers can understand me - and still getting nowhere!
Being able to see a face/read lips is a huge part of language. "I can get that...I've worn the thick FFP3 ones from the start, and when the assistant is behind the screen, all I get is "sorry could you say that again"
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there
Yep...I'd like to know what our German stores are like..as they dont normally
It was a choice of each company, Tesco decided their staff should wear them, now it's mandatory, all shop staff should be wearing them, so will be interesting
Yes - and it will also be extremely hot and uncomfortable for the staff - and makes communication with customers difficult - particularly our customers, as roughly 50% of them have English as a second language and conversation is challenging even without masks.
I have a huge Perspex screen surrounding me but now - thanks to the desperation of a government who have done more u-turns than a learner driver - and the witch hunting public who wear masks for half an hour in a store and think that equates to the discomfort of wearing them all day, every day whilst trying to work- I have to wear a mask too!
Clearly installing the huge Perspex screens for employee and customers benefit was a pointless endeavour!
To be fair I think if your behind a screen that should be adequate. On the shop floor and mingling with customers is another matter imo.
Which is what I tried to explain to my manager when I was called into the office and instructed to wear a mask. When I’ve moved from that screen I’ve donned a mask since they became compulsory for the public.
However - it’s a blanket rule and apparently common sense hasn’t been a consideration.
A large part of my day today has consisted of repeating myself very slowly so foreign national customers can understand me - and still getting nowhere!
Being able to see a face/read lips is a huge part of language. "I appreciate the discomfort for you, I only wear one for 30 minutes and find them very uncomfortable, but what's the alternative, we all wear them to protect each other. | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there
Yep...I'd like to know what our German stores are like..as they dont normally
It was a choice of each company, Tesco decided their staff should wear them, now it's mandatory, all shop staff should be wearing them, so will be interesting
Yes - and it will also be extremely hot and uncomfortable for the staff - and makes communication with customers difficult - particularly our customers, as roughly 50% of them have English as a second language and conversation is challenging even without masks.
I have a huge Perspex screen surrounding me but now - thanks to the desperation of a government who have done more u-turns than a learner driver - and the witch hunting public who wear masks for half an hour in a store and think that equates to the discomfort of wearing them all day, every day whilst trying to work- I have to wear a mask too!
Clearly installing the huge Perspex screens for employee and customers benefit was a pointless endeavour!
To be fair I think if your behind a screen that should be adequate. On the shop floor and mingling with customers is another matter imo.
Which is what I tried to explain to my manager when I was called into the office and instructed to wear a mask. When I’ve moved from that screen I’ve donned a mask since they became compulsory for the public.
However - it’s a blanket rule and apparently common sense hasn’t been a consideration.
A large part of my day today has consisted of repeating myself very slowly so foreign national customers can understand me - and still getting nowhere!
Being able to see a face/read lips is a huge part of language.
I appreciate the discomfort for you, I only wear one for 30 minutes and find them very uncomfortable, but what's the alternative, we all wear them to protect each other."Ok - firstly - sorry I sounded cranky earlier! I thought the alternative was the big Perspex screen I have around me tbh. To me that’s far more effective than a porous (by necessity or we’d all suffocate) mask could ever be. But because the government didn’t stop to think that staff who are already protected by these screens (so they can communicate effectively and therefore work effectively) don’t need a mask - they didn’t make exceptions - so now we have to sit in a Perspex sweat box with a sweaty mask - and try to present a happy front to customers who have no idea what we’re saying half the time! I think the phrase is - it’s a shit shower!  | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. " Yes, not long been so not many people in the shop, but all staff and customers were wearing masks. A young couple walked in behind us with no mask and the security guard wouldn't let them in until they put a mask on. More messaging on the tannoy reminding people to social distance but sadly no toilet rolls...seems people are stockpiling again  | |||
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" Ok - firstly - sorry I sounded cranky earlier! I thought the alternative was the big Perspex screen I have around me tbh. To me that’s far more effective than a porous (by necessity or we’d all suffocate) mask could ever be. But because the government didn’t stop to think that staff who are already protected by these screens (so they can communicate effectively and therefore work effectively) don’t need a mask - they didn’t make exceptions - so now we have to sit in a Perspex sweat box with a sweaty mask - and try to present a happy front to customers who have no idea what we’re saying half the time! I think the phrase is - it’s a shit shower! "Ah but with the mask on the customers can't see you scowling...sticking your tongue out..ect. Always look on the bright side off life..de du de de dum | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Yes, not long been so not many people in the shop, but all staff and customers were wearing masks. A young couple walked in behind us with no mask and the security guard wouldn't let them in until they put a mask on. More messaging on the tannoy reminding people to social distance but sadly no toilet rolls...seems people are stockpiling again "That's good to hear on the masks..not good on the toilet rolls though. Mind you I got 10 tins of pek yesterday ...only a £1 a tin in asda...great lockdown food for winter | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Yes, not long been so not many people in the shop, but all staff and customers were wearing masks. A young couple walked in behind us with no mask and the security guard wouldn't let them in until they put a mask on. More messaging on the tannoy reminding people to social distance but sadly no toilet rolls...seems people are stockpiling again "Oh now I'm worried about going out. I do have a lanyard but no one of the exemption cards because the government website said I didn't need one. Now I'm worried I'm going to have tell every security guard why I can't wear one. I'm glad more people are wearing them and because I can't i do my absolute best to stay away from people. | |||
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"Anyone been to shops today and noticed any difference in mask wearing? Not been myself today. Been to Tesco, they always wear them in there
Yep...I'd like to know what our German stores are like..as they dont normally
It was a choice of each company, Tesco decided their staff should wear them, now it's mandatory, all shop staff should be wearing them, so will be interesting
Yes - and it will also be extremely hot and uncomfortable for the staff - and makes communication with customers difficult - particularly our customers, as roughly 50% of them have English as a second language and conversation is challenging even without masks.
I have a huge Perspex screen surrounding me but now - thanks to the desperation of a government who have done more u-turns than a learner driver - and the witch hunting public who wear masks for half an hour in a store and think that equates to the discomfort of wearing them all day, every day whilst trying to work- I have to wear a mask too!
Clearly installing the huge Perspex screens for employee and customers benefit was a pointless endeavour!
To be fair I think if your behind a screen that should be adequate. On the shop floor and mingling with customers is another matter imo.
Which is what I tried to explain to my manager when I was called into the office and instructed to wear a mask. When I’ve moved from that screen I’ve donned a mask since they became compulsory for the public.
However - it’s a blanket rule and apparently common sense hasn’t been a consideration.
A large part of my day today has consisted of repeating myself very slowly so foreign national customers can understand me - and still getting nowhere!
Being able to see a face/read lips is a huge part of language.
I appreciate the discomfort for you, I only wear one for 30 minutes and find them very uncomfortable, but what's the alternative, we all wear them to protect each other.
Ok - firstly - sorry I sounded cranky earlier!
I thought the alternative was the big Perspex screen I have around me tbh. To me that’s far more effective than a porous (by necessity or we’d all suffocate) mask could ever be.
But because the government didn’t stop to think that staff who are already protected by these screens (so they can communicate effectively and therefore work effectively) don’t need a mask - they didn’t make exceptions - so now we have to sit in a Perspex sweat box with a sweaty mask - and try to present a happy front to customers who have no idea what we’re saying half the time! I think the phrase is - it’s a shit shower! "Oh don't be sorry...I think the perspex screens are very good | |||
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"No you don't need to do or say anything... A company is no more responsible for enforcing it for staff than they are customers... They can't fine staff £200 and there not going to fire a module employee for forgetting to put a maks on... All they can do is ensure enough ppe is available and staff know to have one... Only police and officials have the power to enforce the rule so all you will do by confronting people is get peoples backs up risk pissing somone off or upsetting somone who is medically exempt... At the end of the day if you see somone without one just stay 2 mtrs away from them " Spot on | |||
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"We had to wear them today Do you work in a German shop?" Why??? | |||
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"We had to wear them today Do you work in a German shop? Why???" Because our aldi and lidl aren't great on donning a mask...I'm not stalking you | |||
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"So all shops we went into today, staff wearing their masks "Did you do aldi? | |||
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"So all shops we went into today, staff wearing their masks
Did you do aldi?"I didn't no, Waitrose, for a newspaper, local butchers, Specsavers audiology and Starbucks, all very good | |||
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"Sorry I didn’t think about Lidl and aldi I don’t work in any of them thank god" Apparently they are good payers...but they work the socks off their staff | |||
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"So all shops we went into today, staff wearing their masks
Did you do aldi?
I didn't no, Waitrose, for a newspaper, local butchers, Specsavers audiology and Starbucks, all very good "Stop bloody bragging with that waitrose  | |||
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"So all shops we went into today, staff wearing their masks
Did you do aldi?
I didn't no, Waitrose, for a newspaper, local butchers, Specsavers audiology and Starbucks, all very good
Stop bloody bragging with that waitrose "I only bought a newspaper  . We still have to queue to get in there , which I don't understand... | |||
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"Sorry I didn’t think about Lidl and aldi I don’t work in any of them thank god Apparently they are good payers...but they work the socks off their staff" My bro is a deputy manager, he earns about £27k and he has 6yrs experience with them plus previous supervisory experience with other food retailers. I'd say the pay could be much better for the hours and effort he has to put in. | |||
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"So all shops we went into today, staff wearing their masks
Did you do aldi?
I didn't no, Waitrose, for a newspaper, local butchers, Specsavers audiology and Starbucks, all very good
Stop bloody bragging with that waitrose
I only bought a newspaper . We still have to queue to get in there , which I don't understand..."I wouldn't know as I've never been to one...I'll stick to WHSmith for the paper though | |||
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"Sorry I didn’t think about Lidl and aldi I don’t work in any of them thank god Apparently they are good payers...but they work the socks off their staff My bro is a deputy manager, he earns about £27k and he has 6yrs experience with them plus previous supervisory experience with other food retailers. I'd say the pay could be much better for the hours and effort he has to put in. " i would tend to agree... i was sure someone quoted much higher for a manager in aldi on an earlier thread but can remember how much i guess store size comes into it | |||
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"Sorry I didn’t think about Lidl and aldi I don’t work in any of them thank god Apparently they are good payers...but they work the socks off their staff My bro is a deputy manager, he earns about £27k and he has 6yrs experience with them plus previous supervisory experience with other food retailers. I'd say the pay could be much better for the hours and effort he has to put in. i would tend to agree... i was sure someone quoted much higher for a manager in aldi on an earlier thread but can remember how much i guess store size comes into it "He currently works at the biggest store in the very large Greater Manchester town we live in. He's deputy but is often the highest level of management on shift | |||
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"Sorry I didn’t think about Lidl and aldi I don’t work in any of them thank god Apparently they are good payers...but they work the socks off their staff My bro is a deputy manager, he earns about £27k and he has 6yrs experience with them plus previous supervisory experience with other food retailers. I'd say the pay could be much better for the hours and effort he has to put in. i would tend to agree... i was sure someone quoted much higher for a manager in aldi on an earlier thread but can remember how much i guess store size comes into it
He currently works at the biggest store in the very large Greater Manchester town we live in. He's deputy but is often the highest level of management on shift "i had this discussion on another thread where people were suggesting teachers pay should be raised because unskilled / un qualified workers such as managers at aldi could earn X as starting wage ... my point was when you break it down to hourly rate as they were doing with the teaching salary its works out buttons ... working time directive is out the window as a retail manager (morrisons even make you sign that you wont limit to those hours when you take a management contract on the basis you will get time back to bring average down but when nobody knows) , contract vs reality are miles apart, 60/70 hour weeks are pretty standard and its hard graft under constant target pressures in a business where there isnt really much more you can do to push sales than build a display on the end of an aisle with a sign pointing to the offer stressful job | |||
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"Sorry I didn’t think about Lidl and aldi I don’t work in any of them thank god Apparently they are good payers...but they work the socks off their staff My bro is a deputy manager, he earns about £27k and he has 6yrs experience with them plus previous supervisory experience with other food retailers. I'd say the pay could be much better for the hours and effort he has to put in. i would tend to agree... i was sure someone quoted much higher for a manager in aldi on an earlier thread but can remember how much i guess store size comes into it
He currently works at the biggest store in the very large Greater Manchester town we live in. He's deputy but is often the highest level of management on shift
i had this discussion on another thread where people were suggesting teachers pay should be raised because unskilled / un qualified workers such as managers at aldi could earn X as starting wage ... my point was when you break it down to hourly rate as they were doing with the teaching salary its works out buttons ... working time directive is out the window as a retail manager (morrisons even make you sign that you wont limit to those hours when you take a management contract on the basis you will get time back to bring average down but when nobody knows) , contract vs reality are miles apart, 60/70 hour weeks are pretty standard and its hard graft under constant target pressures in a business where there isnt really much more you can do to push sales than build a display on the end of an aisle with a sign pointing to the offer
stressful job"Better not mention the corona bonus then | |||
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"Shops I went in today, everyone was wearing one. There was two men and a lady just strolling through the shopping centre, I can understand one person not wearing one .(they were the only ones I saw on the couple of hours I was out not wearing one) but three of them? They certainly had the attuide of "I don't give a fuck" Danish x" I live nowhere near you but I'm almost certain I've seen them three feckers too | |||
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"I work in education as a manager as well as teacher and I see this from all sides. I'd say my brother's wage should be increased. He is routinely abused, has to deal with shoplifters because Aldi only employ security at certain times yet his branch is penalised for stock losses. Etc. The working time directive is out of the window for both of us in our respective industries, in fact I looked it up earlier to highlight why I needed to book some time off! " yep my original point on other thread was that we kinda all have it crap if you lift the hood a little rather than the impression from the outside that any of us are the only ones that have it hard | |||
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"Sorry I didn’t think about Lidl and aldi I don’t work in any of them thank god Apparently they are good payers...but they work the socks off their staff My bro is a deputy manager, he earns about £27k and he has 6yrs experience with them plus previous supervisory experience with other food retailers. I'd say the pay could be much better for the hours and effort he has to put in. i would tend to agree... i was sure someone quoted much higher for a manager in aldi on an earlier thread but can remember how much i guess store size comes into it
He currently works at the biggest store in the very large Greater Manchester town we live in. He's deputy but is often the highest level of management on shift
i had this discussion on another thread where people were suggesting teachers pay should be raised because unskilled / un qualified workers such as managers at aldi could earn X as starting wage ... my point was when you break it down to hourly rate as they were doing with the teaching salary its works out buttons ... working time directive is out the window as a retail manager (morrisons even make you sign that you wont limit to those hours when you take a management contract on the basis you will get time back to bring average down but when nobody knows) , contract vs reality are miles apart, 60/70 hour weeks are pretty standard and its hard graft under constant target pressures in a business where there isnt really much more you can do to push sales than build a display on the end of an aisle with a sign pointing to the offer
stressful job Better not mention the corona bonus then "Yes, they got a couple of quid extra for the extra efforts in lockdown, but it's still a lot less monthly than the stress, abuse, effort and responsibilities he has. It doesn't matter that he doesn't have a degree, he has more than equivalent hands on workplace experience over a 15 year period, all with food retailers. | |||
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"So all shops we went into today, staff wearing their masks
Did you do aldi?
I didn't no, Waitrose, for a newspaper, local butchers, Specsavers audiology and Starbucks, all very good
Stop bloody bragging with that waitrose
I only bought a newspaper . We still have to queue to get in there , which I don't understand...
I wouldn't know as I've never been to one...I'll stick to WHSmith for the paper though "I normally get it at the corner shop but they'd sold out | |||
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