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Was Boris being sly?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

In the commons, Boris was saying something like what a wonderful job the nhs was doing regarding the testing.

A member of the opposition pointed out that the shambles were not the fault of the nhs, but of private companies like Serco.

Was Bojo being disingenuous regarding the nhs, using a comment to bring our great institution to a much lower status than the exalted one of the days of clapping? Is this a small slippery step towards, I dunno what... Do you?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"In the commons, Boris was saying something like what a wonderful job the nhs was doing regarding the testing.

A member of the opposition pointed out that the shambles were not the fault of the nhs, but of private companies like Serco.

Was Bojo being disingenuous regarding the nhs, using a comment to bring our great institution to a much lower status than the exalted one of the days of clapping? Is this a small slippery step towards, I dunno what... Do you? "

Or, maybe he meant that the NHS are doing a good job? You know, what he said. Not everything has to have unpleasant undertones.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd not trust a single word from him anytime but we particularly need to be very cautious as he's been responsible for the disastrous results since he took office and eager to deflect blame.

The experts, the public, any service, anyone but him and his friends

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"In the commons, Boris was saying something like what a wonderful job the nhs was doing regarding the testing.

A member of the opposition pointed out that the shambles were not the fault of the nhs, but of private companies like Serco.

Was Bojo being disingenuous regarding the nhs, using a comment to bring our great institution to a much lower status than the exalted one of the days of clapping? Is this a small slippery step towards, I dunno what... Do you?

Or, maybe he meant that the NHS are doing a good job? You know, what he said. Not everything has to have unpleasant undertones. "

I must admit I was only half listening, hence the question rather than accusation.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

It was just disingenuous.

The NHS *are* good at testing, it's the processing of the tests that's not up to capacity and that's not the NHS.

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By *lixirWoman
over a year ago

Chippenham

Lets be honest its all bollocks and blame by all and sundry over this.

The demand has gone through the roof and there is a limit of staff and equipment to do the testing.

When there was a shortage of toilet roll at the beginning of lockdown we didn't go blaming Tescos or andrex for being incompetent.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Don't think so. He brags we're testing the most in Europe so I think he's pretty chuffed with it.

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By *rct4Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Put yourselves in boris's shoes, reality is no matter what he does it's never right and he can't control what the whole population does on a daily basis lockdown or no lockdown . He has no experience dealing with a pandemic like this and nobody in this lifetime has. But I must say he hasn't a clue about Brexit not a notion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lets be honest its all bollocks and blame by all and sundry over this.

The demand has gone through the roof and there is a limit of staff and equipment to do the testing.

When there was a shortage of toilet roll at the beginning of lockdown we didn't go blaming Tescos or andrex for being incompetent.

"

Its not the testing in itself that is the issue.

There is enough tests and capacity but the issue seems to that there isn't the capacity or staff at the labs to test the swabs.

I don't like Boris but I think he meant what he said about the NSH and there testing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bet Johnson mainly didn't want to talk about Serco or similar private companies that have been paid an absolute fortune.

Serco especially keeps being awarded huge government contracts despite a track record of failure.

Also, by attaching the name "NHS" to it rather than "Serco", he can imply any failures are due to the NHS rather than Serco.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

NHS personnel testing is done in house and sent to military labs, Porton down is one that processes only NHS tests, the public company's test the general public

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think anyone would struggle to set up a new company, hire so many people and manage so many locations with little time for planning and it to be completely smooth. Any test centres of this scale and in this nature will have snags. There is also a limit on how many tests can physically be made. Obviously over time this increases as production capabilities increase. This time last year there was no such thing as a test or test center. Now it's a huge operation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone who works for the NHS I find the government's use of the phrase 'NHS Test and Trace' offensive.

Serco and their ilk have been making money from the public for far too long now, despite their incompetence, and they are as far as you can get from the committed staff of the NHS.

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By *emmabTV/TS
over a year ago

Brighton

While agree that the NHS labs are doing a great job in difficult circumstances. Lack of capacity is a real problem due to yet again chronic underfunding for year by successive governments but particularly by the Conservative goverment because of the pursuit of austerity.

As for Serco and alike and their role in this testing fiasco. The will had negotiated a contract for X number of test, however if the goverment than ask for a doubling of tests Serco or who ever will consider it to be a new contract and will start the process of renegotiate. In a time pressure environment they know the have the goverment over a barrel and get just about anything they want. However they probably have no capacity to do the increased testing, fuck it up royalty and then go back to the contract and point out to the goverment some clause in the contract that gets them off the hook. Always happens.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"Put yourselves in boris's shoes, reality is no matter what he does it's never right and he can't control what the whole population does on a daily basis lockdown or no lockdown . He has no experience dealing with a pandemic like this and nobody in this lifetime has. But I must say he hasn't a clue about Brexit not a notion "

Which of the following leaders has experience of handling a pandemic?

Which of them can control their population?

Jacinda Ardern

Angela Merkel

Justin Trudeau

Even in Scotland where covidiots

have been having house parties and rates are on the rise, Nicola Sturgeon has a far better rating than BoJo when it comes to covid.

The lack of attending important covid meetings, not sacking Cummings, the poor and unclear advice (no clear route map like in Scotland), not owning up to mistakes etc...None of these are covid specific. They show lack of leadership. Real leaders wouldn't make these mistakes. Jacinda Ardern hasn't made these mistakes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"While agree that the NHS labs are doing a great job in difficult circumstances. Lack of capacity is a real problem due to yet again chronic underfunding for year by successive governments but particularly by the Conservative goverment because of the pursuit of austerity.

As for Serco and alike and their role in this testing fiasco. The will had negotiated a contract for X number of test, however if the goverment than ask for a doubling of tests Serco or who ever will consider it to be a new contract and will start the process of renegotiate. In a time pressure environment they know the have the goverment over a barrel and get just about anything they want. However they probably have no capacity to do the increased testing, fuck it up royalty and then go back to the contract and point out to the goverment some clause in the contract that gets them off the hook. Always happens. "

It will happen more with a government ideologically opposed to the idea of the NHS and desperate to hand cash to private companies.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I bet Johnson mainly didn't want to talk about Serco or similar private companies that have been paid an absolute fortune.

Serco especially keeps being awarded huge government contracts despite a track record of failure.

Also, by attaching the name "NHS" to it rather than "Serco", he can imply any failures are due to the NHS rather than Serco."

Your last paragraph is my fear.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As someone who works for the NHS I find the government's use of the phrase 'NHS Test and Trace' offensive.

Serco and their ilk have been making money from the public for far too long now, despite their incompetence, and they are as far as you can get from the committed staff of the NHS."

Exactly this. I did a little googling and, imo, calling it NHS Test and Trace, when it is outsourced, is dispicable. The NHS is merely one department under DHSC and for the most part, a valued but underfunded institution. The title implies trustworthiness (and other positive qualities). The title SHOULD be DHSC test and trace. And be damned whatever that implies

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"...

The lack of attending important covid meetings, not sacking Cummings, the poor and unclear advice (no clear route map like in Scotland), not owning up to mistakes etc...None of these are covid specific. They show lack of leadership...

"

A million times

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"As someone who works for the NHS I find the government's use of the phrase 'NHS Test and Trace' offensive.

Serco and their ilk have been making money from the public for far too long now, despite their incompetence, and they are as far as you can get from the committed staff of the NHS.

Exactly this. I did a little googling and, imo, calling it NHS Test and Trace, when it is outsourced, is dispicable. The NHS is merely one department under DHSC and for the most part, a valued but underfunded institution. The title implies trustworthiness (and other positive qualities). The title SHOULD be DHSC test and trace. And be damned whatever that implies "

Labour should be calling him out on it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the commons, Boris was saying something like what a wonderful job the nhs was doing regarding the testing.

A member of the opposition pointed out that the shambles were not the fault of the nhs, but of private companies like Serco.

Was Bojo being disingenuous regarding the nhs, using a comment to bring our great institution to a much lower status than the exalted one of the days of clapping? Is this a small slippery step towards, I dunno what... Do you?

Or, maybe he meant that the NHS are doing a good job? You know, what he said. Not everything has to have unpleasant undertones. "

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By *EXY_PILOTMan
over a year ago

Manchester, North West, UK


"In the commons, Boris was saying something like what a wonderful job the nhs was doing regarding the testing.

A member of the opposition pointed out that the shambles were not the fault of the nhs, but of private companies like Serco.

Was Bojo being disingenuous regarding the nhs, using a comment to bring our great institution to a much lower status than the exalted one of the days of clapping? Is this a small slippery step towards, I dunno what... Do you? "

He's definitely sly, not trustworthy and two minded. Compare his talks /speaches with the previous pms and you will. Know what kind a imbecile we have helped in power!

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

Only a shortage of testing as arseholes are getting tested for a cough when all thay have done is clear their throat. Remember we all coughed before covid 19 came to play. Only test if you are really ill and stop blaming others who are trying to sort out this mess. Just a thought. Staysafe

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Only a shortage of testing as arseholes are getting tested for a cough when all thay have done is clear their throat. Remember we all coughed before covid 19 came to play. Only test if you are really ill and stop blaming others who are trying to sort out this mess. Just a thought. Staysafe "

Can you provide a link for this please?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As someone who works for the NHS I find the government's use of the phrase 'NHS Test and Trace' offensive.

Serco and their ilk have been making money from the public for far too long now, despite their incompetence, and they are as far as you can get from the committed staff of the NHS.

Exactly this. I did a little googling and, imo, calling it NHS Test and Trace, when it is outsourced, is dispicable. The NHS is merely one department under DHSC and for the most part, a valued but underfunded institution. The title implies trustworthiness (and other positive qualities). The title SHOULD be DHSC test and trace. And be damned whatever that implies

Labour should be calling him out on it "

Yep, agreed

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"I bet Johnson mainly didn't want to talk about Serco or similar private companies that have been paid an absolute fortune.

Serco especially keeps being awarded huge government contracts despite a track record of failure.

Also, by attaching the name "NHS" to it rather than "Serco", he can imply any failures are due to the NHS rather than Serco."

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Only a shortage of testing as arseholes are getting tested for a cough when all thay have done is clear their throat. Remember we all coughed before covid 19 came to play. Only test if you are really ill and stop blaming others who are trying to sort out this mess. Just a thought. Staysafe

Can you provide a link for this please?"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54088206

https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/18720386.walk-in-coronavirus-test-sites-overwhelmed-people-no-symptoms/

https://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/news/18719584.worcestershire-residents-not-book-coronavirus-test-without-symptoms/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/booking-covid-test-you-dont-4528692.amp

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Only a shortage of testing as arseholes are getting tested for a cough when all thay have done is clear their throat. Remember we all coughed before covid 19 came to play. Only test if you are really ill and stop blaming others who are trying to sort out this mess. Just a thought. Staysafe

Can you provide a link for this please?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54088206

https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/18720386.walk-in-coronavirus-test-sites-overwhelmed-people-no-symptoms/

https://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/news/18719584.worcestershire-residents-not-book-coronavirus-test-without-symptoms/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/booking-covid-test-you-dont-4528692.amp"

Fair enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the commons, Boris was saying something like what a wonderful job the nhs was doing regarding the testing.

A member of the opposition pointed out that the shambles were not the fault of the nhs, but of private companies like Serco.

Was Bojo being disingenuous regarding the nhs, using a comment to bring our great institution to a much lower status than the exalted one of the days of clapping? Is this a small slippery step towards, I dunno what... Do you? "

I watched this wretched man "perform"

the other day during PMQ's; Kier Starmer asked the Prime minister if he took any responsibility for people not being able to get tests, to which he replied "I wish the right honourable gentleman would stop attacking our heroic NHS workers...." and finishd off by saying labour should stick to trying to control left wing anarchists before one final xenophobic rallying cry of "we are great Britain, let's get Brexit done !!!" (Said with a thump on the dispatch box). Firstly Starmar made no attack on NHS workers and secondly the exchange had nothing to do with left wing anarchists or Brexit. I am not drawing parallels but if you study Mussolini and Hitler the methods are similar, find an enemy (Starmer attacking NHS hero's, left wing anarchists,the EU) and rally people behind you for "protection". The man is a mini Trump to whome truth and honesty just does not matter.

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