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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this "This rumour has been quashed by a panel of fab experts | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this "I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this "That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA. Population 350 million. So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right? Yeah I think so. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so."I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. "Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government"The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders. | |||
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"Land of the free ... home of the brave" Home of the grave more like it  | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government"For someone to be so out of touch with reality that for even a minute they can't see what has happened with the testing debacle of the last few weeks and that the promised world beating track and trace is not even the best in the UK .. Yes there has been irresponsible behaviours by some of the public but ffs wake up.. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders. ""... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..." --------------- The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here."Using the same logic we should forget about 911 which killed a fraction of that and also the Vietnam War. Donald Trump killed 3 times more Americans in 9 months than the Viet Cong did in 10 years. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here.
Using the same logic we should forget about 911 which killed a fraction of that and also the Vietnam War.
Donald Trump killed 3 times more Americans in 9 months than the Viet Cong did in 10 years." | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. "I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. "How can you expect compliance when senior members weren’t following - Bojo himself shook hands and boasted about it. Cummings? Well need I say more other countries sacked their government members for breaking lockdown us? Nope! Total shower of shit. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here."The point seems obvious.. large numbers are scarry, they're deliberately used out of context. So when put into context they have a better representation of facts. Now if we had 200,000 in the UK then it's the same figure, but would it represent something rather different? Bit like saying UK has a high population density, it's 275 per square km. Seems high. Then look at Bangladesh it's 1,352/km2. Now the UK isn't really densely populated at all. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out"Do you believe the government should set an example to it's people? For instance do you expect people to take Boris seriously when he tells us to social distance then attends an international rugby match. Tells us to wash our hands then shake one hand after another in a hospital. Then excuse Dominic Cummings with a story an idiot with an IQ of 70 wouldn't believe. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here.
Using the same logic we should forget about 911 which killed a fraction of that and also the Vietnam War.
Donald Trump killed 3 times more Americans in 9 months than the Viet Cong did in 10 years."How has trump killed them? Love the way some just ignore personal responsibility. People make their own choices. There's plenty on here meeting up, there's even social events organised and still going ahead. There's parties happening all over, people are blatantly ignoring what is the right thing to be doing. That's not our leaders fault. That's plane selfishness a the height of stupidity, knowingly doing what is wrong. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out
Do you believe the government should set an example to it's people?
For instance do you expect people to take Boris seriously when he tells us to social distance then attends an international rugby match. Tells us to wash our hands then shake one hand after another in a hospital. Then excuse Dominic Cummings with a story an idiot with an IQ of 70 wouldn't believe."Absolutely not. They all have the morals of a stoat and are as crooked as the day is long. That's not a moral example I want to live down to. However, just because they're being arses, it doesn't make sense to copy their example and become one as well. We all know what we need to do now and we should just do what keeps us all safe. | |||
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"Knowing Trump's poor grasp of reality, he'll soon be claiming that the US are world leaders as they have the highest death rate... "Biden cocked up on the numbers the other day again. Trump went down the bleach route. I feel sorry for the US at the moment. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out
Do you believe the government should set an example to it's people?
For instance do you expect people to take Boris seriously when he tells us to social distance then attends an international rugby match. Tells us to wash our hands then shake one hand after another in a hospital. Then excuse Dominic Cummings with a story an idiot with an IQ of 70 wouldn't believe."Are you saying then you can't make a good responsible decision because some leaders haven't? Does that give you justification not to do what you know you really should? | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out""...I have not said the government is doing things right..." ----------------- I didn't say you said so. If anything I was supporting the comment you made earlier - and I'm saying that we can't solely blame the government for all this mess, because part of the mess is also caused by members of the public not following government guidance and advice. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out
Do you believe the government should set an example to it's people?
For instance do you expect people to take Boris seriously when he tells us to social distance then attends an international rugby match. Tells us to wash our hands then shake one hand after another in a hospital. Then excuse Dominic Cummings with a story an idiot with an IQ of 70 wouldn't believe.
Are you saying then you can't make a good responsible decision because some leaders haven't? Does that give you justification not to do what you know you really should?"No I'm saying we can't be expected to follow rules if our leaders are blatantly insincere about them. It's lip service and is treated as such. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here.
Using the same logic we should forget about 911 which killed a fraction of that and also the Vietnam War.
Donald Trump killed 3 times more Americans in 9 months than the Viet Cong did in 10 years.
How has trump killed them?
Love the way some just ignore personal responsibility.
People make their own choices. There's plenty on here meeting up, there's even social events organised and still going ahead. There's parties happening all over, people are blatantly ignoring what is the right thing to be doing. That's not our leaders fault. That's plane selfishness a the height of stupidity, knowingly doing what is wrong."Trump was briefed on 24 January 2020 about the reality of Covid-19. He then went out and told his people that Covid-19 was a "hoax" and that it would go away on it's own. He has lied repeatedly through the entire crisis and people have believed him and died as a consequence. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here.
Using the same logic we should forget about 911 which killed a fraction of that and also the Vietnam War.
Donald Trump killed 3 times more Americans in 9 months than the Viet Cong did in 10 years.
How has trump killed them?
Love the way some just ignore personal responsibility.
People make their own choices. There's plenty on here meeting up, there's even social events organised and still going ahead. There's parties happening all over, people are blatantly ignoring what is the right thing to be doing. That's not our leaders fault. That's plane selfishness a the height of stupidity, knowingly doing what is wrong.""...How has trump killed them?..." ---------------------- I don't think the poster (MayContainFullNuts) meant that Trump killed them directly. More like Trump's lack of leadership on this matter has resulted in too many avoidable deaths. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out
Do you believe the government should set an example to it's people?
For instance do you expect people to take Boris seriously when he tells us to social distance then attends an international rugby match. Tells us to wash our hands then shake one hand after another in a hospital. Then excuse Dominic Cummings with a story an idiot with an IQ of 70 wouldn't believe.
Are you saying then you can't make a good responsible decision because some leaders haven't? Does that give you justification not to do what you know you really should?
No I'm saying we can't be expected to follow rules if our leaders are blatantly insincere about them. It's lip service and is treated as such."Excuses pathetic | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here.
Using the same logic we should forget about 911 which killed a fraction of that and also the Vietnam War.
Donald Trump killed 3 times more Americans in 9 months than the Viet Cong did in 10 years.
How has trump killed them?
Love the way some just ignore personal responsibility.
People make their own choices. There's plenty on here meeting up, there's even social events organised and still going ahead. There's parties happening all over, people are blatantly ignoring what is the right thing to be doing. That's not our leaders fault. That's plane selfishness a the height of stupidity, knowingly doing what is wrong.
Trump was briefed on 24 January 2020 about the reality of Covid-19. He then went out and told his people that Covid-19 was a "hoax" and that it would go away on it's own. He has lied repeatedly through the entire crisis and people have believed him and died as a consequence. "Briefed? By whom? Fauci? That's good enough reason to disregard it. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out
Do you believe the government should set an example to it's people?
For instance do you expect people to take Boris seriously when he tells us to social distance then attends an international rugby match. Tells us to wash our hands then shake one hand after another in a hospital. Then excuse Dominic Cummings with a story an idiot with an IQ of 70 wouldn't believe.
Are you saying then you can't make a good responsible decision because some leaders haven't? Does that give you justification not to do what you know you really should?
No I'm saying we can't be expected to follow rules if our leaders are blatantly insincere about them. It's lip service and is treated as such."I'm saying you can exercise those rules whether leaders do or not. Should it really make any difference for you or me if others break rules or the law? | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
"... For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders..."
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out
Do you believe the government should set an example to it's people?
For instance do you expect people to take Boris seriously when he tells us to social distance then attends an international rugby match. Tells us to wash our hands then shake one hand after another in a hospital. Then excuse Dominic Cummings with a story an idiot with an IQ of 70 wouldn't believe.
Are you saying then you can't make a good responsible decision because some leaders haven't? Does that give you justification not to do what you know you really should?
No I'm saying we can't be expected to follow rules if our leaders are blatantly insincere about them. It's lip service and is treated as such."I used to think like that when I was 5 or 6 but I grew up and owned responsibility. Leaders make mistakes but let's not let them think we're just little kids who can act responsibly. | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing." Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America?" Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing. | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America?" A huge death toll , unless they lock down as a federal measure this is going to rise massively | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? A huge death toll , unless they lock down as a federal measure this is going to rise massively " Prove it. | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing." Why is that Trump's fault? | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? A huge death toll , unless they lock down as a federal measure this is going to rise massively " I wonder if you'd say the same if Obama were still in charge? | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing. Why is that Trump's fault? " Um ... because he's been an incompetent President during a pandemic that resulted in 200,000 American deaths? Just a thought. | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing. Why is that Trump's fault? Um ... because he's been an incompetent President during a pandemic that resulted in 200,000 American deaths? Just a thought. " Why is he responsible? | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing. Why is that Trump's fault? Um ... because he's been an incompetent President during a pandemic that resulted in 200,000 American deaths? Just a thought. Why is he responsible? " He's the President. That makes him ultimately responsible. Is that hard to understand? He also lied for months that Covid was far less dangerous than he knew it to be. And he kept giving mixed messages on masks. Sometimes saying they had a use. Other times, telling journalists to take masks off. He also pushed cures that weren't cures. And suggested cures that sounded mad or dangerous. | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing. Why is that Trump's fault? Um ... because he's been an incompetent President during a pandemic that resulted in 200,000 American deaths? Just a thought. Why is he responsible? " He's been found out to have downplayed the importance of the virus and how it would affect all American citizens. At the start of his time in office, he dismantled and closed the health and pandemic authorities who would've been best to have battled this pandemic across the States. He has diverted funding destined for health matters to building up the Military and Defence. He's been constantly at odds with Scientific experts, as he has no knowledge of such matters nor cares to learn about Science as a whole and how it works for his country. That's just the start! | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing. Why is that Trump's fault? Um ... because he's been an incompetent President during a pandemic that resulted in 200,000 American deaths? Just a thought. Why is he responsible? He's been found out to have downplayed the importance of the virus and how it would affect all American citizens. At the start of his time in office, he dismantled and closed the health and pandemic authorities who would've been best to have battled this pandemic across the States. He has diverted funding destined for health matters to building up the Military and Defence. He's been constantly at odds with Scientific experts, as he has no knowledge of such matters nor cares to learn about Science as a whole and how it works for his country. That's just the start!" What would you have him do? Imprison the entire population? Damage the economy even more? Listen go to that useless wee bastard Fauci? Maybe there are other experts he's listening to ? | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing. Why is that Trump's fault? Um ... because he's been an incompetent President during a pandemic that resulted in 200,000 American deaths? Just a thought. Why is he responsible? He's been found out to have downplayed the importance of the virus and how it would affect all American citizens. At the start of his time in office, he dismantled and closed the health and pandemic authorities who would've been best to have battled this pandemic across the States. He has diverted funding destined for health matters to building up the Military and Defence. He's been constantly at odds with Scientific experts, as he has no knowledge of such matters nor cares to learn about Science as a whole and how it works for his country. That's just the start! What would you have him do? Imprison the entire population? Damage the economy even more? Listen go to that useless wee bastard Fauci? Maybe there are other experts he's listening to ?" Wellll ... I guess Trump might be listening to Frederick the invisible Wombat who only talks to him. Actually, that could explain a lot. | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing. Why is that Trump's fault? Um ... because he's been an incompetent President during a pandemic that resulted in 200,000 American deaths? Just a thought. Why is he responsible? He's been found out to have downplayed the importance of the virus and how it would affect all American citizens. At the start of his time in office, he dismantled and closed the health and pandemic authorities who would've been best to have battled this pandemic across the States. He has diverted funding destined for health matters to building up the Military and Defence. He's been constantly at odds with Scientific experts, as he has no knowledge of such matters nor cares to learn about Science as a whole and how it works for his country. That's just the start! What would you have him do? Imprison the entire population? Damage the economy even more? Listen go to that useless wee bastard Fauci? Maybe there are other experts he's listening to ? Wellll ... I guess Trump might be listening to Frederick the invisible Wombat who only talks to him. Actually, that could explain a lot." He only listens to the brown nose arse lickers who'll say anything positive to appease him (and keep their jobs)! He doesn't like criticism, it always has to be good news conveyed to him either via his staff or from Vladimir Putin. | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America?" you must really hate the concept of the NHS then.... i mean... how much more maniacal can you get than having Socialised medicine!!!  | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here.
Using the same logic we should forget about 911 which killed a fraction of that and also the Vietnam War.
Donald Trump killed 3 times more Americans in 9 months than the Viet Cong did in 10 years."For a guy his age he gets about a bit killing 200,000 in his spare time  | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? Scroll up to the title of this thread. That's what some people seem to be defending Trump against. And it is astonishing. Why is that Trump's fault? Um ... because he's been an incompetent President during a pandemic that resulted in 200,000 American deaths? Just a thought. Why is he responsible? He's been found out to have downplayed the importance of the virus and how it would affect all American citizens. At the start of his time in office, he dismantled and closed the health and pandemic authorities who would've been best to have battled this pandemic across the States. He has diverted funding destined for health matters to building up the Military and Defence. He's been constantly at odds with Scientific experts, as he has no knowledge of such matters nor cares to learn about Science as a whole and how it works for his country. That's just the start! What would you have him do? Imprison the entire population? Damage the economy even more? Listen go to that useless wee bastard Fauci? Maybe there are other experts he's listening to ?" It appears that you believe that Trump has more expertise than Fauci. On what basis do you say that? One is a lying charlatan who believes drinking bleach might be a good treatment and the other is a well qualified expert on diseases | |||
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" Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America?" America's already 'wrecked', systematically taken apart by a man who promised to make it great again and drain the swamp, remember? America rests on its knees whilst the (self interested) pond life ravages the water course. | |||
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"You do realise this is 0.06% of the population of the USA" You do realise 200,000 people dead is a lot of dead people. | |||
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"You do realise this is 0.06% of the population of the USA You do realise 200,000 people dead is a lot of dead people." I do indeed, do you know that the amount of people that die of cancer each year in the USA and UK are 605,000 and 165,000 respectively, which is around 0.25% of the population for each country. This will rise due to the shut down of the health service because of COVID hysteria. | |||
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"You do realise this is 0.06% of the population of the USA You do realise 200,000 people dead is a lot of dead people. I do indeed, do you know that the amount of people that die of cancer each year in the USA and UK are 605,000 and 165,000 respectively, which is around 0.25% of the population for each country. This will rise due to the shut down of the health service because of COVID hysteria." Covid is a new virus. Despite its newness and despite various degrees of lockdown and despite social distancing and despite masks, it's killed 200,000 people in the USA. Without all those measures, it would have killed many, many more. Do you really think countries all round the world would have taken such major measures unless they had to? Do you think the entire world is being hysterical about this? Despite the huge financial cost? They did it because they knew there would have been far more deaths otherwise and health systems would have crumbled under the impossible demand. | |||
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"You do realise this is 0.06% of the population of the USA You do realise 200,000 people dead is a lot of dead people. I do indeed, do you know that the amount of people that die of cancer each year in the USA and UK are 605,000 and 165,000 respectively, which is around 0.25% of the population for each country. This will rise due to the shut down of the health service because of COVID hysteria. Covid is a new virus. Despite its newness and despite various degrees of lockdown and despite social distancing and despite masks, it's killed 200,000 people in the USA. Without all those measures, it would have killed many, many more. Do you really think countries all round the world would have taken such major measures unless they had to? Do you think the entire world is being hysterical about this? Despite the huge financial cost? They did it because they knew there would have been far more deaths otherwise and health systems would have crumbled under the impossible demand." | |||
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"You do realise this is 0.06% of the population of the USA You do realise 200,000 people dead is a lot of dead people. I do indeed, do you know that the amount of people that die of cancer each year in the USA and UK are 605,000 and 165,000 respectively, which is around 0.25% of the population for each country. This will rise due to the shut down of the health service because of COVID hysteria. Covid is a new virus. Despite its newness and despite various degrees of lockdown and despite social distancing and despite masks, it's killed 200,000 people in the USA. Without all those measures, it would have killed many, many more. Do you really think countries all round the world would have taken such major measures unless they had to? Do you think the entire world is being hysterical about this? Despite the huge financial cost? They did it because they knew there would have been far more deaths otherwise and health systems would have crumbled under the impossible demand." I’m not arguing against the restrictions, I’m highlighting the statistics | |||
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"You do realise this is 0.06% of the population of the USA You do realise 200,000 people dead is a lot of dead people. I do indeed, do you know that the amount of people that die of cancer each year in the USA and UK are 605,000 and 165,000 respectively, which is around 0.25% of the population for each country. This will rise due to the shut down of the health service because of COVID hysteria. Covid is a new virus. Despite its newness and despite various degrees of lockdown and despite social distancing and despite masks, it's killed 200,000 people in the USA. Without all those measures, it would have killed many, many more. Do you really think countries all round the world would have taken such major measures unless they had to? Do you think the entire world is being hysterical about this? Despite the huge financial cost? They did it because they knew there would have been far more deaths otherwise and health systems would have crumbled under the impossible demand. I’m not arguing against the restrictions, I’m highlighting the statistics " But you're ignoring the fact the number of Covid deaths would have been much, much higher without a huge effort made all around the world to restruct the virus. And you're ignoring the fact an avalanche of Covid victims all at once could have overwhelmed national healthcare systems. | |||
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"You do realise this is 0.06% of the population of the USA You do realise 200,000 people dead is a lot of dead people. I do indeed, do you know that the amount of people that die of cancer each year in the USA and UK are 605,000 and 165,000 respectively, which is around 0.25% of the population for each country. This will rise due to the shut down of the health service because of COVID hysteria. Covid is a new virus. Despite its newness and despite various degrees of lockdown and despite social distancing and despite masks, it's killed 200,000 people in the USA. Without all those measures, it would have killed many, many more. Do you really think countries all round the world would have taken such major measures unless they had to? Do you think the entire world is being hysterical about this? Despite the huge financial cost? They did it because they knew there would have been far more deaths otherwise and health systems would have crumbled under the impossible demand. I’m not arguing against the restrictions, I’m highlighting the statistics But you're ignoring the fact the number of Covid deaths would have been much, much higher without a huge effort made all around the world to restruct the virus. And you're ignoring the fact an avalanche of Covid victims all at once could have overwhelmed national healthcare systems." Incorrect, I’m highlighting the statistics, I’ve made no comment on healthcare systems etc. | |||
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"You're trying to downplay the danger of the virus. Clearly. You referred to "Covid hysteria". You also complained about "the shut down of the health service". So you were talking about more than just stats." So you disagree that the health service has been effectively shutdown to deal with COVID? | |||
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"You're trying to downplay the danger of the virus. Clearly. You referred to "Covid hysteria". You also complained about "the shut down of the health service". So you were talking about more than just stats. So you disagree that the health service has been effectively shutdown to deal with COVID?" Shifting the goalposts suddenly? When did I say anything about if the health service had been shut down or not? | |||
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"this says it all.... "Who do you trust more on information about the coronavirus?" via new Quinnipiac poll: Democrats: 1% President Trump 97% CDC scientists Republicans: 51% President Trump 36% CDC scientists" What does it say? What conclusions do you draw from the sensationalist and not unsurprising outcome? What was the size of the Poll? What were the questions asked.? There's no "don't know / undecided" response? Which side of the binary question did the don't knows fall into.? What was the context of the question? Ie was it at a yahoo boys political rally or via post or radio phone in or...? Further we all know that there are scientists, especially in the pharma vertical have results lead by whomever is funding their research.. Or they find themselves out of a job or out of funding. There seems a notion that scientists are all knowing, all empirical, all sharing. The world of science is equally as challenged by human frailties as any other sector. So far the science in this tells us... Wash our hands, keep our distance, cover our nose and mouth....and not a lot else. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
I'd their testing is as shit as ours I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Germany testing is not good either the problem is the behavior of people stop blaming the government
The government have handled this appallingly six months to get ready for this ... no tests available and not a bloody clue what they’re doing. For that the blame lays squarely on their shoulders.
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The blame lies on both sides in my view. Part of it lies with the way the government has handled it, the other part lies with some members of the public who have not been compliant with the guidance given. I have not said the government is doing things right,they have done much wrong but you still have to help yourself,just blaming the government is a cop out
Do you believe the government should set an example to it's people?
For instance do you expect people to take Boris seriously when he tells us to social distance then attends an international rugby match. Tells us to wash our hands then shake one hand after another in a hospital. Then excuse Dominic Cummings with a story an idiot with an IQ of 70 wouldn't believe.
Absolutely not.
They all have the morals of a stoat and are as crooked as the day is long.
That's not a moral example I want to live down to.
However, just because they're being arses, it doesn't make sense to copy their example and become one as well.
We all know what we need to do now and we should just do what keeps us all safe."Leave the Stoats out of this, it’s the fucking weasels we need to be looking at | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here.
Using the same logic we should forget about 911 which killed a fraction of that and also the Vietnam War.
Donald Trump killed 3 times more Americans in 9 months than the Viet Cong did in 10 years.
For a guy his age he gets about a bit killing 200,000 in his spare time "Well in that case you would have to say that Hitler never killed any Jews, Charles Manson never killed anyone, and the person who ordered the Titanic to full steam ahead never killed anyone. And Osama Bin Ladin never killed anyone in 911. Trump diverted ventilators ordered by predominantly Democrat states to go to Republican states. It was an American president who coined the phrase "The buck stops here"... | |||
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"Uk deaths 41,000. US 200,000. US population is five times that of the UK. Sometimes it’s just easier to criticize someone else’s problems than it is to look at our own. " There was a report coming out of New York that there were 10 times the number of home deaths compared to same time in 2019. None of them registered as Covid-19 deaths. Just a coincidental 1000% increase of unexplained deaths during a pandemic... | |||
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"Uk deaths 41,000. US 200,000. US population is five times that of the UK. Sometimes it’s just easier to criticize someone else’s problems than it is to look at our own. " And the US is huge with vast expanses of open land. | |||
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"Uk deaths 41,000. US 200,000. US population is five times that of the UK. Sometimes it’s just easier to criticize someone else’s problems than it is to look at our own. And the US is huge with vast expanses of open land." They also has advanced warning even longer than our own advanced warning. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so."Exactly. It's a pandemic & people will die. I don't know what people expect. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
I'm intrigued as to what sort of argument you think you are making here.
Using the same logic we should forget about 911 which killed a fraction of that and also the Vietnam War.
Donald Trump killed 3 times more Americans in 9 months than the Viet Cong did in 10 years.
How has trump killed them?
Love the way some just ignore personal responsibility.
People make their own choices. There's plenty on here meeting up, there's even social events organised and still going ahead. There's parties happening all over, people are blatantly ignoring what is the right thing to be doing. That's not our leaders fault. That's plane selfishness a the height of stupidity, knowingly doing what is wrong.
Trump was briefed on 24 January 2020 about the reality of Covid-19. He then went out and told his people that Covid-19 was a "hoax" and that it would go away on it's own. He has lied repeatedly through the entire crisis and people have believed him and died as a consequence.
Briefed? By whom? Fauci?
That's good enough reason to disregard it.
"Where did I mention Fauci? You did that. By the way Fauci has been right most times whilst Trump has been wrong most times. Actually he was informed by US intelligence. Here is tweet from Trump 24 February 2020 "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? A huge death toll , unless they lock down as a federal measure this is going to rise massively Prove it." No proof need. Common sense however is needed  | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
Exactly. It's a pandemic & people will die. I don't know what people expect.
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
That's about 10% of the annual death rate in the USA.
Population 350 million.
So that's about 0.06% of the total population. Is that right?
Yeah I think so.
Exactly. It's a pandemic & people will die. I don't know what people expect.
People probably expect that the exponential risk is managed as effectively as it possibly can be to minimise the numbers who'll die."“......People probably expect that the exponential risk is managed as effectively as it possibly can be to minimise the numbers who'll die....” ————————————- This
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"I don't think anyone expected no one to die. But then holding mass political rallies in crowded stadiums for an upcoming election probably isn't in the WHO handbook either... "With the coronavirus still spreading, Mr Trump has now restarted campaign rallies, bringing fresh controversy to new communities. This month, thousands of people, many without masks, crowded into an indoor manufacturing facility in Nevada to hear the president speak, defying a state directive to limit gatherings to 50 people. Nevada governor Steve Sisolak, a Democrat, called Mr Trump's actions "shameful, dangerous, and irresponsible". The director of the state's coronavirus response predicted a spike in cases because of the campaign event"" He should be prosecuted for it...he brings narcissism to a new level | |||
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"“Now we know it affects elderly people. Elderly people with heart problems and other problems. If they have other problems, that’s what it really affects. That’s it. In some states nobody young. They have a strong immune system - who knows. Take your hat off to the young because they have a hell of an immune system. It affects virtually no one. Open your schools”. That claim that has been thoroughly debunked but still hundreds of supporters tightly packed in to hear the president’s speech whistled and cheered." an interesting question to trump supporters: why do the crowd behind him have such a high number of mask usage? and the 99% mainly off camera are predominantly maskless? Just to help trumpturd brains,here is a clue, he is a lying,dangerous stupid cunt. | |||
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"“Now we know it affects elderly people. Elderly people with heart problems and other problems. If they have other problems, that’s what it really affects. That’s it. In some states nobody young. They have a strong immune system - who knows. Take your hat off to the young because they have a hell of an immune system. It affects virtually no one. Open your schools”. That claim that has been thoroughly debunked but still hundreds of supporters tightly packed in to hear the president’s speech whistled and cheered. an interesting question to trump supporters: why do the crowd behind him have such a high number of mask usage? and the 99% mainly off camera are predominantly maskless? Just to help trumpturd brains,here is a clue, he is a lying,dangerous stupid cunt."
Just watched "You've been Trumped" and "You've been Trumped Too"
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"Land of the free ... home of the brave Only if the have been to Wal-mart and bought a gun. "Passion for the second ammendment decreases substationally when people are told that someone they love has been gunned down in a mass shooting by someone who had no right owning a gun. | |||
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"They keep on giving people death figures witch sounds a lot but let’s put it the other way What % of people died in the population 0.04% yes every death one to many but People die every day And what they not talking about is how many more are going to die due to hospitals not doing route treatments So people please try to have a different outlook on it... " your stats appear to be at odds with reality for the following reasons. it's a transmissible virus. go to a hospital with an injury or health condition and catch the virus- your odds become stacked against you. gasping for breath is something I'd never wish upon anyone,especially if already very unwell. I've had the virus,it might be part of the flu family etc however it feels horrific gasping for air. I've seen you make the same point earlier,I just wonder what you might think when we have more flu's coming and cross covid/flu infections will be higher. there is your different outlook,based on the information most are aware of,yet some stupidly wish to ignore. | |||
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"Who is in charge in America? Trump is president but each state has a governor in charge of that state's covid response. Some states have Republican governors and some have Democrat." you are correct,but if you want to leave out the finer details that's fine. it should not be a bipartisan approach.In some cases it's a federal matter. funny how the virus is a state matter,but the 'widespread' rioting is a federal one when it 'needs' to be. trump recently violated state law at one of his last rallies.............well because, he's the president and a self serving lying idiot cunt. | |||
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"Who is in charge in America? Trump is president but each state has a governor in charge of that state's covid response. Some states have Republican governors and some have Democrat. you are correct,but if you want to leave out the finer details that's fine. it should not be a bipartisan approach.In some cases it's a federal matter. funny how the virus is a state matter,but the 'widespread' rioting is a federal one when it 'needs' to be. trump recently violated state law at one of his last rallies.............well because, he's the president and a self serving lying idiot cunt." I don't know the finer details, hence my question. I am being fed information by a Trump supporter so I'm fairly confident it's skewed. | |||
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"Who is in charge in America? Trump is president but each state has a governor in charge of that state's covid response. Some states have Republican governors and some have Democrat. you are correct,but if you want to leave out the finer details that's fine. it should not be a bipartisan approach.In some cases it's a federal matter. funny how the virus is a state matter,but the 'widespread' rioting is a federal one when it 'needs' to be. trump recently violated state law at one of his last rallies.............well because, he's the president and a self serving lying idiot cunt. I don't know the finer details, hence my question. I am being fed information by a Trump supporter so I'm fairly confident it's skewed. " glad you have some skepticism. one example: new york(democrat) pays more towards the USA than any other state. Trump started a twitter war and has been booted down for his idiocy. without getting deeper into the politics,lets just see his actions: he denied the virus threat publicly held rallies played golf admitted to woodward on tape it was a deadly virus. mocked masks held rallies cleared a street of protesters with force to stand in front of a church with a bible. has the CDC change it's data benched his two top doctors on virus task force claims the wildfires on forests not being properly raked claims several antifa men dressed in black boarded a plane to cause havoc in another state(which was actually a rightwing idiots facebook made up post several months earlier) defends a 17 yr old who jumped states and killed two people. tweets absolute shite literally half of the day and watches fox news the other half(as well as another qanon led news channel) made up antifa as a terrorist organisation that the fbi dont even list. made up a huge voting conspiracy lie. I forget the fact checks,basic lies etc, but it's something like a 1000 or more lies. consistently getting his lies and misinformation fact checked and censored by social media. embraced fucking idiotic whackjobs:- qanon idiots religious rapist demon sperm claiming doctor these are all easy to find. I do my best to find anything out before I post it, possibly 75% of the above is all trump on video as it happened, no need for editing out details etc. hope I've helped. | |||
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"Are some people still defending Trump? Even now? Astonishing. Defending him against what exactly? Are you defending sleepy joe and his maniacal socialist plans to wreck America? If you think Biden is a socialist I have some magic beans you might just be interested in." | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this "It's about the same percentage of the population as in the UK. Five times the population, five times the deaths. | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
It's about the same percentage of the population as in the UK. Five times the population, five times the deaths. "So why has this year got the lowest death rate of the past 5 years? | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
It's about the same percentage of the population as in the UK. Five times the population, five times the deaths.
So why has this year got the lowest death rate of the past 5 years?"Probably because most of the country spent a third of the year not leaving their home. | |||
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"Regardless of what anyone thinks of him here and let's face it we are all biased one way or the other he is on course to bury Biden with the election with the help of the American people at the ballot box. We have the debates coming up and if you think Biden will wipe the floor with Trump at a debate you are not paying attention." Is your position based on demonstrable facts or more a case of wishful thinking? | |||
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"Just heard it on sky news...its pretty grim and should make us all have a reality check on this
It's about the same percentage of the population as in the UK. Five times the population, five times the deaths. "The population makeup of UK is: England (84.25), Scotland (8.2%), Wales (4.7%), and Northern Ireland (2.8%) UK = 66 Million USA 326 Million | |||
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