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Not all who oppose full lockdown are rule breaking, anti vax, 5g conspiracy nutters here's my story

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Not all who oppose full lockdown are rule breaking, anti vax, 5g conspiracy nutters here's my story what's yours?

I J Mr wear masks all the time outside my house including 8+ hrs a day at work now.

I hand sanitise constantly that my hands are like a lizard.

I shop in the supermarket on a night to avoid people.

I wasn't much of a hugger so I keep 1 metre plus from people, 2 metres where possible.

I rarely socialise with friends currently and when we have it's by following the rules of the day.

I stay away from pubs etc.

I work 5 days a week at various offcies and as a council worker and did essential key work throughout the last lockdown.

There's no furlough money left and further full lockdowns will likely cost me my job / Career with the lay offs caused.

I escaped the first round of lay offs caused by the first lockdown. Many friends of mine didn't.

All my life has left atm is my job outside that I'm effectively housebound for the most part.

Do another full lockdown and take my job away from me it's that simple. I've lost pretty much every other aspect to my life due to the covid responses so I'll have nothing left. Oh and our first baby is due end of November.

I'm sure my story is mirrored up and down the country.

There's a lot of us who follow every rule set out as long as it doesn't cause further damage to jobs and the economy.

Everyday at work I deal with people who have lost pretty much everything to the first lockdown i.e job,home, mental health etc. It's hard to see the damage done day in day out.

KJ

Typed on my phone so my spelling and grammar may not be perfect, advance apologies for that.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

And that's what we all should be doing.

There isn't going to be another full lockdown it will be lockdown across England but 'Local Style'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And that's what we all should be doing.

There isn't going to be another full lockdown it will be lockdown across England but 'Local Style'.

"

I went into work for the first time since February yesterday. I'm an agency worker and haven't been paid or qualified for furlough, so been living off my savings. I was shocked how many had been laid off.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

You're not alone op, that's true but that doesn't make your situation any easier to cope with. You're an individual suffering a similar fate to many but it's hard.

I hope you aren't impacted too badly by the next set of regulations. Good luck with the baby, a little spark of hope for you and your partner

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Op most don't make that connection yet alone infer it, sorry to hear that your job is at risk ..

Think the group you refer to are in the albeit at times vocal minority mostly they just rant a load of the above but rarely once questions asked revert to the usual clichés..

Stay safe..

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"And that's what we all should be doing.

There isn't going to be another full lockdown it will be lockdown across England but 'Local Style'.

I went into work for the first time since February yesterday. I'm an agency worker and haven't been paid or qualified for furlough, so been living off my savings. I was shocked how many had been laid off."

It's awful isn't it.

I do hope people don't lose their ability to empathise just because so many people are suffering

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

My bad op, congratulations on the impending arrival..

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"And that's what we all should be doing.

There isn't going to be another full lockdown it will be lockdown across England but 'Local Style'.

I went into work for the first time since February yesterday. I'm an agency worker and haven't been paid or qualified for furlough, so been living off my savings. I was shocked how many had been laid off."

have been in 4 1/2 days since march out of 40 if us 25 have been layed off and the rest of us may well be gone when furlogh ends.the industrial estate we are on has 60 units on it that were all occupied in march had a walk round the place last week spotted at least half a dozen that are now unoccupied.another lockdown and the country is fucked financialy.myself am getting 80% but already starting to fall into debt.if we do go into another lockdown hate to say it but think it will be everyone for themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Not all who oppose full lockdown are rule breaking, anti vax, 5g conspiracy nutters here's my story what's yours?

I J Mr wear masks all the time outside my house including 8+ hrs a day at work now.

I hand sanitise constantly that my hands are like a lizard.

I shop in the supermarket on a night to avoid people.

I wasn't much of a hugger so I keep 1 metre plus from people, 2 metres where possible.

I rarely socialise with friends currently and when we have it's by following the rules of the day.

I stay away from pubs etc.

I work 5 days a week at various offcies and as a council worker and did essential key work throughout the last lockdown.

There's no furlough money left and further full lockdowns will likely cost me my job / Career with the lay offs caused.

I escaped the first round of lay offs caused by the first lockdown. Many friends of mine didn't.

All my life has left atm is my job outside that I'm effectively housebound for the most part.

Do another full lockdown and take my job away from me it's that simple. I've lost pretty much every other aspect to my life due to the covid responses so I'll have nothing left. Oh and our first baby is due end of November.

I'm sure my story is mirrored up and down the country.

There's a lot of us who follow every rule set out as long as it doesn't cause further damage to jobs and the economy.

Everyday at work I deal with people who have lost pretty much everything to the first lockdown i.e job,home, mental health etc. It's hard to see the damage done day in day out.

KJ

Typed on my phone so my spelling and grammar may not be perfect, advance apologies for that."

That's really sad and I really feel for you.

This is why I am exasperated at people who say that the spread of the virus is a "good thing" provided death rates are low.

This virus has many casualties not just fatalities.

But who is to blame? Is it the people who have followed the rules such as yourself? Or is it people who have been throwing huge parties, organising mass protests etc etc. It is the same people who protest restrictions who are the ones perpetuating them.

And yes some people think that getting pissed with their mates is more important than you having a job. This isn't enough for them, they also have to come onto social media to justify their selfish behaviour with the most cockeyed logic imaginable. They might fool themselves but they aren't fooling anyone else. Some people just don't see the emperor's new clothes...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have lost my job too and don't hold high hopes of finding a new one.

I'm financially fucked and will probably never be able to pay off my debt.

I no longer care if there is another lockdown or not - the first one ruined my life.

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall

I'm no conspiracy nut, or any of the above I just think enough is enough as we're not getting anywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a pandemic for a reason. You can't just say it's made your life bad. That's what pandemics do. They screw over EVERYONE because it's either let the majority of people die, or make them miserable so they don't die.

Governments have been informed about the risks of pandemics for literal decades. Everytime with ever more increasing detail and accurate predictions.

Did they make any preperations for such an event with protocols in place with universities and drug research companies to combat it? Of course not. They just brushed the problem under the rug and now WE the people are suffering because of it.

Instead of perhaps losing our nerve and talking about not having a lockdown (which will only make the problem worse) why not just try holding the government to account. The majority of people voted these clowns in. Maybe take some responsibility for that if you are one of those persons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a pandemic for a reason. You can't just say it's made your life bad. That's what pandemics do. They screw over EVERYONE because it's either let the majority of people die, or make them miserable so they don't die.

Governments have been informed about the risks of pandemics for literal decades. Everytime with ever more increasing detail and accurate predictions.

Did they make any preperations for such an event with protocols in place with universities and drug research companies to combat it? Of course not. They just brushed the problem under the rug and now WE the people are suffering because of it.

Instead of perhaps losing our nerve and talking about not having a lockdown (which will only make the problem worse) why not just try holding the government to account. The majority of people voted these clowns in. Maybe take some responsibility for that if you are one of those persons."

Here is what the opposition are saying:

The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, suggested in a speech on Tuesday that if a second lockdown was necessary it would be “a sign of government failure, not an act of God”.

Saying that Boris Johnson has had “months to prepare for this, Starmer added that a new lockdown “would take an immense toll on people’s physical and mental health and on the economy”.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

I feel for anyone affected by this insane policy but to be blunt 'we ain't seen anything yet'

You can't stop the world economy without disastrous consequences. Consequences that will kill far more people than ever the virus will.

Two-week cancer referrals decreased by 84 per cent during lockdown.

Cancer Research estimates that there were 2 million delayed or missed cancer screenings, tests or treatments as a result of the pandemic, they add: “The impact of this broader disruption is uncertain. However, estimates indicate it could be as high as 60,000 lives lost.”

The OBR forecasts unemployment to hit 12 per cent by the end of the year and national debt hitting £2 trillion,.

All spelt out, by 32 UK scientists, in a letter a couple of days ago.

"In summary, our view is that the existing policy path is inconsistent with the known risk-profile of Covid-19 and should be reconsidered. The unstated objective currently appears to be one of suppression of the virus, until such a time that a vaccine can be deployed.

This objective is increasingly unfeasible (notwithstanding our more specific concerns regarding existing policies) and is leading to significant harm across all age groups, which likely offsets any benefits."

Signatories include:

Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford

Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford

Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham

Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight

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By *allgirthyMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

Agree that we should never return to full lockdown though I question the effectiveness of local lockdowns too - those that choose to flout the rules will continue to do so and it’s hard to see how cases won’t gradually continue to rise. That said, I do think that people from all sections of society are bending the rules, just in different ways and for decent reasons - each group just likes to look down on another group for not doing as they do.

The idea of unfairness in the local lockdown system is strong. I live in a very wealthy town on the outskirts of Bradford but we’re now struck down with the restrictions despite having no reported cases in the town.

Ultimately we can’t get let the disease get completely out of control but we do need to learn to live with it and go about life as close to normal as we possibly can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I feel for anyone affected by this insane policy but to be blunt 'we ain't seen anything yet'

You can't stop the world economy without disastrous consequences. Consequences that will kill far more people than ever the virus will.

Two-week cancer referrals decreased by 84 per cent during lockdown.

Cancer Research estimates that there were 2 million delayed or missed cancer screenings, tests or treatments as a result of the pandemic, they add: “The impact of this broader disruption is uncertain. However, estimates indicate it could be as high as 60,000 lives lost.”

The OBR forecasts unemployment to hit 12 per cent by the end of the year and national debt hitting £2 trillion,.

All spelt out, by 32 UK scientists, in a letter a couple of days ago.

"In summary, our view is that the existing policy path is inconsistent with the known risk-profile of Covid-19 and should be reconsidered. The unstated objective currently appears to be one of suppression of the virus, until such a time that a vaccine can be deployed.

This objective is increasingly unfeasible (notwithstanding our more specific concerns regarding existing policies) and is leading to significant harm across all age groups, which likely offsets any benefits."

Signatories include:

Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford

Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford

Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham

Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight"

"You can't stop the world economy without disastrous consequences. Consequences that will kill far more people than ever the virus will" - can you quantify this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

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By *allgirthyMan
over a year ago

Harrogate


"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

"

Yes, I don’t think a second lockdown to the same extent is on the cards now or the future. We’ve learnt a lot since the this began and it’d be far too damaging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

"

I don't think there are many who WANT a lockdown. It just might so happen that we have no reasonable alternative.

Strange how the same mindset that got us into the situation are critical of measures only necessary because of a problem they have created.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think there are many who WANT a lockdown. It just might so happen that we have no reasonable alternative.

Strange how the same mindset that got us into the situation are critical of measures only necessary because of a problem they have created. "

^^^This.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I feel for anyone affected by this insane policy but to be blunt 'we ain't seen anything yet'

You can't stop the world economy without disastrous consequences. Consequences that will kill far more people than ever the virus will.

Two-week cancer referrals decreased by 84 per cent during lockdown.

Cancer Research estimates that there were 2 million delayed or missed cancer screenings, tests or treatments as a result of the pandemic, they add: “The impact of this broader disruption is uncertain. However, estimates indicate it could be as high as 60,000 lives lost.”

The OBR forecasts unemployment to hit 12 per cent by the end of the year and national debt hitting £2 trillion,.

All spelt out, by 32 UK scientists, in a letter a couple of days ago.

"In summary, our view is that the existing policy path is inconsistent with the known risk-profile of Covid-19 and should be reconsidered. The unstated objective currently appears to be one of suppression of the virus, until such a time that a vaccine can be deployed.

This objective is increasingly unfeasible (notwithstanding our more specific concerns regarding existing policies) and is leading to significant harm across all age groups, which likely offsets any benefits."

Signatories include:

Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford

Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford

Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham

Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

"

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Not all who oppose full lockdown are rule breaking, anti vax, 5g conspiracy nutters here's my story what's yours?

I J Mr wear masks all the time outside my house including 8+ hrs a day at work now.

I hand sanitise constantly that my hands are like a lizard.

I shop in the supermarket on a night to avoid people.

I wasn't much of a hugger so I keep 1 metre plus from people, 2 metres where possible.

I rarely socialise with friends currently and when we have it's by following the rules of the day.

I stay away from pubs etc.

I work 5 days a week at various offcies and as a council worker and did essential key work throughout the last lockdown.

There's no furlough money left and further full lockdowns will likely cost me my job / Career with the lay offs caused.

I escaped the first round of lay offs caused by the first lockdown. Many friends of mine didn't.

All my life has left atm is my job outside that I'm effectively housebound for the most part.

Do another full lockdown and take my job away from me it's that simple. I've lost pretty much every other aspect to my life due to the covid responses so I'll have nothing left. Oh and our first baby is due end of November.

I'm sure my story is mirrored up and down the country.

There's a lot of us who follow every rule set out as long as it doesn't cause further damage to jobs and the economy.

Everyday at work I deal with people who have lost pretty much everything to the first lockdown i.e job,home, mental health etc. It's hard to see the damage done day in day out.

KJ

Typed on my phone so my spelling and grammar may not be perfect, advance apologies for that."

this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter."

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed."
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Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed..

Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity "

Yes. Australia are big into Brexit.

If you look back on the threads there is one called "Just a sniffle" at the end of that thread you will see comments about busses being turned around at the German border.

Right now we are happy to quarantine people who return from areas that have a lower infection rate than ww do... now THAT is Brexity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed..

Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity

Yes. Australia are big into Brexit.

If you look back on the threads there is one called "Just a sniffle" at the end of that thread you will see comments about busses being turned around at the German border.

Right now we are happy to quarantine people who return from areas that have a lower infection rate than ww do... now THAT is Brexity."
.

But there a massive land mass with a third our population, half our agricultural land is being turned over for housing, 4000 people a week come in on dinghys,35% of our food gets shipped or trucked in.

I really don't think closing the borders here is even doable.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"

Not all who oppose full lockdown are rule breaking, anti vax, 5g conspiracy nutters here's my story what's yours?

I J Mr wear masks all the time outside my house including 8+ hrs a day at work now.

I hand sanitise constantly that my hands are like a lizard.

I shop in the supermarket on a night to avoid people.

I wasn't much of a hugger so I keep 1 metre plus from people, 2 metres where possible.

I rarely socialise with friends currently and when we have it's by following the rules of the day.

I stay away from pubs etc.

I work 5 days a week at various offcies and as a council worker and did essential key work throughout the last lockdown.

There's no furlough money left and further full lockdowns will likely cost me my job / Career with the lay offs caused.

I escaped the first round of lay offs caused by the first lockdown. Many friends of mine didn't.

All my life has left atm is my job outside that I'm effectively housebound for the most part.

Do another full lockdown and take my job away from me it's that simple. I've lost pretty much every other aspect to my life due to the covid responses so I'll have nothing left. Oh and our first baby is due end of November.

I'm sure my story is mirrored up and down the country.

There's a lot of us who follow every rule set out as long as it doesn't cause further damage to jobs and the economy.

Everyday at work I deal with people who have lost pretty much everything to the first lockdown i.e job,home, mental health etc. It's hard to see the damage done day in day out.

KJ

Typed on my phone so my spelling and grammar may not be perfect, advance apologies for that."
If all behaved like you there would not be a problem,sadly many do not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed..

Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity

Yes. Australia are big into Brexit.

If you look back on the threads there is one called "Just a sniffle" at the end of that thread you will see comments about busses being turned around at the German border.

Right now we are happy to quarantine people who return from areas that have a lower infection rate than ww do... now THAT is Brexity..

But there a massive land mass with a third our population, half our agricultural land is being turned over for housing, 4000 people a week come in on dinghys,35% of our food gets shipped or trucked in.

I really don't think closing the borders here is even doable."

The importation of goods into this country would have made closing the border unworkable.

You only have to see the numbers of overseas number plates on hgv’s around the country to realise that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed..

Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity

Yes. Australia are big into Brexit.

If you look back on the threads there is one called "Just a sniffle" at the end of that thread you will see comments about busses being turned around at the German border.

Right now we are happy to quarantine people who return from areas that have a lower infection rate than ww do... now THAT is Brexity..

But there a massive land mass with a third our population, half our agricultural land is being turned over for housing, 4000 people a week come in on dinghys,35% of our food gets shipped or trucked in.

I really don't think closing the borders here is even doable."

We are an island. We have better chance than anyone else. Look at all the top "performers" in the fight against Covid-19. Usually Islands or nations with only one border.

We didn't even bother. At the peak of this pandemic, according to reports you could walk right in without so much as a heat check. We have been lazy and complacent and now blame everyone except ourselves for inevitable outcome.

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"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed..

Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity

Yes. Australia are big into Brexit.

If you look back on the threads there is one called "Just a sniffle" at the end of that thread you will see comments about busses being turned around at the German border.

Right now we are happy to quarantine people who return from areas that have a lower infection rate than ww do... now THAT is Brexity..

But there a massive land mass with a third our population, half our agricultural land is being turned over for housing, 4000 people a week come in on dinghys,35% of our food gets shipped or trucked in.

I really don't think closing the borders here is even doable.

The importation of goods into this country would have made closing the border unworkable.

You only have to see the numbers of overseas number plates on hgv’s around the country to realise that."

Goods aren't the problem. The drivers are.

What's easier. Doing a test on every truck driver that comes in or testing all of our frontline workers every day?

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So proud of myself for not even mentioning Brexit there

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"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed..

Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity

Yes. Australia are big into Brexit.

If you look back on the threads there is one called "Just a sniffle" at the end of that thread you will see comments about busses being turned around at the German border.

Right now we are happy to quarantine people who return from areas that have a lower infection rate than ww do... now THAT is Brexity..

But there a massive land mass with a third our population, half our agricultural land is being turned over for housing, 4000 people a week come in on dinghys,35% of our food gets shipped or trucked in.

I really don't think closing the borders here is even doable.

The importation of goods into this country would have made closing the border unworkable.

You only have to see the numbers of overseas number plates on hgv’s around the country to realise that.

Goods aren't the problem. The drivers are.

What's easier. Doing a test on every truck driver that comes in or testing all of our frontline workers every day?"

You’re rambling now. We didn’t have enough testing to protect the care homes never mind the thousands of foreign truck drivers. How long did it take to get test results back in the early days.

Good idea. Impractical.

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"So proud of myself for not even mentioning Brexit there "
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I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it

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"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed..

Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity

Yes. Australia are big into Brexit.

If you look back on the threads there is one called "Just a sniffle" at the end of that thread you will see comments about busses being turned around at the German border.

Right now we are happy to quarantine people who return from areas that have a lower infection rate than ww do... now THAT is Brexity..

But there a massive land mass with a third our population, half our agricultural land is being turned over for housing, 4000 people a week come in on dinghys,35% of our food gets shipped or trucked in.

I really don't think closing the borders here is even doable.

The importation of goods into this country would have made closing the border unworkable.

You only have to see the numbers of overseas number plates on hgv’s around the country to realise that.

Goods aren't the problem. The drivers are.

What's easier. Doing a test on every truck driver that comes in or testing all of our frontline workers every day?

You’re rambling now. We didn’t have enough testing to protect the care homes never mind the thousands of foreign truck drivers. How long did it take to get test results back in the early days.

Good idea. Impractical."

In the UK? We've always been behind. As you say we are a very rich nation. Money would have been better spent on getting a "world beating" test regime than emptying the treasury on a furlough scheme.

I WWII how many trucks did we have coming in through Dover every day?

Just as impractical is a lockdown scenario that plays out indefinitely. Lockdown needs to be complete and thorough for a short period, not half hearted and poorly implemented for an extended period.

Epidemiologists suggest this isn't the last pandemic we will see in our lifetime so perhaps when we go to the polls we should elect a government that can organise a pissup in a brewery instead of an uncanny ability to turn everything they touch to shit.

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"So proud of myself for not even mentioning Brexit there .

I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it "

Yeah you camouflaged it with a "y" at the end...

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"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed..

Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity

Yes. Australia are big into Brexit.

If you look back on the threads there is one called "Just a sniffle" at the end of that thread you will see comments about busses being turned around at the German border.

Right now we are happy to quarantine people who return from areas that have a lower infection rate than ww do... now THAT is Brexity..

But there a massive land mass with a third our population, half our agricultural land is being turned over for housing, 4000 people a week come in on dinghys,35% of our food gets shipped or trucked in.

I really don't think closing the borders here is even doable.

The importation of goods into this country would have made closing the border unworkable.

You only have to see the numbers of overseas number plates on hgv’s around the country to realise that.

Goods aren't the problem. The drivers are.

What's easier. Doing a test on every truck driver that comes in or testing all of our frontline workers every day?

You’re rambling now. We didn’t have enough testing to protect the care homes never mind the thousands of foreign truck drivers. How long did it take to get test results back in the early days.

Good idea. Impractical.

In the UK? We've always been behind. As you say we are a very rich nation. Money would have been better spent on getting a "world beating" test regime than emptying the treasury on a furlough scheme.

I WWII how many trucks did we have coming in through Dover every day?

Just as impractical is a lockdown scenario that plays out indefinitely. Lockdown needs to be complete and thorough for a short period, not half hearted and poorly implemented for an extended period.

Epidemiologists suggest this isn't the last pandemic we will see in our lifetime so perhaps when we go to the polls we should elect a government that can organise a pissup in a brewery instead of an uncanny ability to turn everything they touch to shit."

At last we agree

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New Zealand adopted a motto of "go hard go early"...

Now if only Boris Johnson had adopted that as his Covid-19 strategy instead of his personal family planning philosophy....

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"I'm sure it's only a minority who want to repeat the lockdown we endured (and by no means as strict as France, such as reputedly requiring permission slips). I can't imagine the govt do either - they need economy mobility.

We'll find out soon enough. Let's try not to stress beforehand.

There were those on here who complained that we didn’t do a full lockdown like France and Spain where you needed permission to leave home.

Yet here we are following the same trajectory as France and Spain. All a lockdown will do is push it into winter.

When this whole thing started I advocated that we quarantine anyone incoming from our airports and harbours in the hotels which tend to be clustered around such entry and exit points.

People shouted this idea down because of the expense of renting out these hotels and the inconvenience it would cause.

So instead we have many times more the expense, much more inconvenience and have to test everyone, not just people coming and going.

Following this simple procedure would have meant our country would have not needed any lockdown whatsoever, no overwhelming of the nhs, no deaths etc etc.

A track and trace system would be sufficient to isolate any people who slipped through the net.

Maybe I sound ridiculous but that is exactly what Australia did. Announced it on TV one night and 8 hours later their borders were closed..

Close the borders!! Sounds a bit Brexity

Yes. Australia are big into Brexit.

If you look back on the threads there is one called "Just a sniffle" at the end of that thread you will see comments about busses being turned around at the German border.

Right now we are happy to quarantine people who return from areas that have a lower infection rate than ww do... now THAT is Brexity..

But there a massive land mass with a third our population, half our agricultural land is being turned over for housing, 4000 people a week come in on dinghys,35% of our food gets shipped or trucked in.

I really don't think closing the borders here is even doable.

The importation of goods into this country would have made closing the border unworkable.

You only have to see the numbers of overseas number plates on hgv’s around the country to realise that.

Goods aren't the problem. The drivers are.

What's easier. Doing a test on every truck driver that comes in or testing all of our frontline workers every day?

You’re rambling now. We didn’t have enough testing to protect the care homes never mind the thousands of foreign truck drivers. How long did it take to get test results back in the early days.

Good idea. Impractical.

In the UK? We've always been behind. As you say we are a very rich nation. Money would have been better spent on getting a "world beating" test regime than emptying the treasury on a furlough scheme.

I WWII how many trucks did we have coming in through Dover every day?

Just as impractical is a lockdown scenario that plays out indefinitely. Lockdown needs to be complete and thorough for a short period, not half hearted and poorly implemented for an extended period.

Epidemiologists suggest this isn't the last pandemic we will see in our lifetime so perhaps when we go to the polls we should elect a government that can organise a pissup in a brewery instead of an uncanny ability to turn everything they touch to shit.

At last we agree "

It had to happen sometime

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I think you’re right, your story is mirrored across the country many times.

There’s a simple reality to this though, at the peak myself and ICU colleagues across the country went from caring for patients on a 1-1 level to 1-8 in some circumstances. ICU wards became floors in hospitals, oxygen frameworks operated in the red and we dealt with death tolls that where extraordinary for city centre hospitals on a daily basis.

That all happened at a time of year where the climate, conditions etc where in our favour. Sadly we are escalating very quickly back towards those marks but at a time of year where we know this is going to be horrific.

You have my utter sympathy but I also have to say I have experienced a reality far more permanent for many and far worst than yours.

I hope we can by some miracle avoid a full lockdown again but I fear as we peak there will be no alternative.

This year I’ve averaged seeing 2.5 people pass away every day I’ve worked. The majority of those where over an 8 week period in the main.

I remember a short time people would clap for us... those days are gone but in reality we are returning to the same scenario as we had before. We are now deprecated in numbers, exhausted both physically and mentally by this year and have the disadvantage of already seeing what we are going to face in the coming months.

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"I think you’re right, your story is mirrored across the country many times.

There’s a simple reality to this though, at the peak myself and ICU colleagues across the country went from caring for patients on a 1-1 level to 1-8 in some circumstances. ICU wards became floors in hospitals, oxygen frameworks operated in the red and we dealt with death tolls that where extraordinary for city centre hospitals on a daily basis.

That all happened at a time of year where the climate, conditions etc where in our favour. Sadly we are escalating very quickly back towards those marks but at a time of year where we know this is going to be horrific.

You have my utter sympathy but I also have to say I have experienced a reality far more permanent for many and far worst than yours.

I hope we can by some miracle avoid a full lockdown again but I fear as we peak there will be no alternative.

This year I’ve averaged seeing 2.5 people pass away every day I’ve worked. The majority of those where over an 8 week period in the main.

I remember a short time people would clap for us... those days are gone but in reality we are returning to the same scenario as we had before. We are now deprecated in numbers, exhausted both physically and mentally by this year and have the disadvantage of already seeing what we are going to face in the coming months. "

Thank you. Both for this eye opener, beautifully written, and also the personal sacrifice you have made to look after us. I never stopped thinking you guys are amazing and you are still heroes in my book. I just wish so many of us weren't so keen to meet you on a professional basis

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"Thank you. Both for this eye opener, beautifully written, and also the personal sacrifice you have made to look after us. I never stopped thinking you guys are amazing and you are still heroes in my book. I just wish so many of us weren't so keen to meet you on a professional basis "

You shouldn’t thank me, I’m non clinical although I work within the red zone. My industry disappeared overnight at the start of all this and I just happened to find myself working in first the Nightingale and then transferred to the NHS because it was a job but also I didn’t want to walk away from those I worked with.

Everyone is having a hard time in the U.K. mine is no greater or worst than anyone else’s. I would just explore people to realise we need to embrace that word “herd”... this isn’t an era for individual needs, selfish actions etc... we need to stick together and endure for the greater good.

All of us have connections with people we value greatly in our lives who to be blunt are horribly at risk currently. We need to remember that.

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I've said this before and I'll say it again. My thank every person who has left their home every day to keep this country going. From the NHS to the bin guys, from the delivery people to our postal service. I salute you!

I'm one of the lucky ones who has been working from home for over a year so hardly affected. This doesn't mean I'm not eternally grateful that I'm in the position I'm in. When I turn the tap, water comes out, when I switch on the light, it works. I know this doesn't happen by magic and lots of people are putting themselves and their loved ones at risk.

So this is why I join you in saying that the herd immunity option comes at an unthinkable human cost. Please people before posting that lockdown is more costly, find some way of quantifying that. Not just a list of doctors names.

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Quantify it?.

When the economy goes tits and they turn your water and lights off and that binman stops collecting, it will get substantially worse than this virus.

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Should we go through the list of industries that are six months away from collapse perhaps.

Cruise ships, airline industry, holiday industry, catering, pubs, restaurants, taxi services, hotels, cinemas... There all connected Jenga blocks when enough go the whole thing falls down.

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"

Not all who oppose full lockdown are rule breaking, anti vax, 5g conspiracy nutters here's my story what's yours?

I J Mr wear masks all the time outside my house including 8+ hrs a day at work now.

I hand sanitise constantly that my hands are like a lizard.

I shop in the supermarket on a night to avoid people.

I wasn't much of a hugger so I keep 1 metre plus from people, 2 metres where possible.

I rarely socialise with friends currently and when we have it's by following the rules of the day.

I stay away from pubs etc.

I work 5 days a week at various offcies and as a council worker and did essential key work throughout the last lockdown.

There's no furlough money left and further full lockdowns will likely cost me my job / Career with the lay offs caused.

I escaped the first round of lay offs caused by the first lockdown. Many friends of mine didn't.

All my life has left atm is my job outside that I'm effectively housebound for the most part.

Do another full lockdown and take my job away from me it's that simple. I've lost pretty much every other aspect to my life due to the covid responses so I'll have nothing left. Oh and our first baby is due end of November.

I'm sure my story is mirrored up and down the country.

There's a lot of us who follow every rule set out as long as it doesn't cause further damage to jobs and the economy.

Everyday at work I deal with people who have lost pretty much everything to the first lockdown i.e job,home, mental health etc. It's hard to see the damage done day in day out.

KJ

Typed on my phone so my spelling and grammar may not be perfect, advance apologies for that."

Well said and same here. Im a solitary worker in wild places so I see absolutely no one. All I have left is work as Im too knackered at the end of the day to do a thing as my work is dangerous and hard. Im nothing more than a work slave and am feeling it bad now as I was a dancer but mow I ve lost the will or wish to dance. Because of the time I spend in silence Im withdrawing as I ve no conversation other than work. No prospects of a break til next year. By then I doubt I ll want to mix. So used to silence I ve stopped listening to music and my ptsd has been triggered by these changes. Life is crap.

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"

Not all who oppose full lockdown are rule breaking, anti vax, 5g conspiracy nutters here's my story what's yours?

I J Mr wear masks all the time outside my house including 8+ hrs a day at work now.

I hand sanitise constantly that my hands are like a lizard.

I shop in the supermarket on a night to avoid people.

I wasn't much of a hugger so I keep 1 metre plus from people, 2 metres where possible.

I rarely socialise with friends currently and when we have it's by following the rules of the day.

I stay away from pubs etc.

I work 5 days a week at various offcies and as a council worker and did essential key work throughout the last lockdown.

There's no furlough money left and further full lockdowns will likely cost me my job / Career with the lay offs caused.

I escaped the first round of lay offs caused by the first lockdown. Many friends of mine didn't.

All my life has left atm is my job outside that I'm effectively housebound for the most part.

Do another full lockdown and take my job away from me it's that simple. I've lost pretty much every other aspect to my life due to the covid responses so I'll have nothing left. Oh and our first baby is due end of November.

I'm sure my story is mirrored up and down the country.

There's a lot of us who follow every rule set out as long as it doesn't cause further damage to jobs and the economy.

Everyday at work I deal with people who have lost pretty much everything to the first lockdown i.e job,home, mental health etc. It's hard to see the damage done day in day out.

KJ

Typed on my phone so my spelling and grammar may not be perfect, advance apologies for that.

Well said and same here. Im a solitary worker in wild places so I see absolutely no one. All I have left is work as Im too knackered at the end of the day to do a thing as my work is dangerous and hard. Im nothing more than a work slave and am feeling it bad now as I was a dancer but mow I ve lost the will or wish to dance. Because of the time I spend in silence Im withdrawing as I ve no conversation other than work. No prospects of a break til next year. By then I doubt I ll want to mix. So used to silence I ve stopped listening to music and my ptsd has been triggered by these changes. Life is crap."

This is really sad to hear and my heart goes out to you. There are people who have volunteered to the NHS to offer emotional support to those who need it. On the bright side whilst those in 1918 went through the same thing for 3 years with the Spanish Flu they did not have Skype, facetime etc. I know it's not the same thing but see if you can get some virtual conversations going with people you know. Hope things get better for you

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