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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Like it or not, the road we are going down is to put efforts in to reduce or control the spread of the infection levels in the community. It's mostly supported by the majority as a sensible and supported way forward and it is accepted (largely) that there is an economic price to pay for this and an as yet unquantified and unknowable consequence regarding health and wellbeing. (there could potentially be upsides too... And these are similarly unknowable for a while yet).

The success or failure of any approach is not how many laws or guidelines are published but in how many individuals choose to adopt them... Either willingly or grudgingly or by coercion and enforcement.

My question or discussion is.

At what point would people intervene when seeing rules being broken? To hold up a mirror to people and encourage or support or request or berate or threaten or report etc.

So if we see someone being assaulted would we intervene..

If we know our neighbour is making racist graffiti.. Would we intervene...

If we believe we see someone dealing large quantities of drugs or stolen goods..

Breaking into a house / school /car?

About to drink drive / drug drive?

Organising a rave / party?

Not wearing a mask.?

Carrying a knife?

Throwing a pile of litter /leaving a pile of litter in the park...

And so on... What laws do you choose to care about / choose to break / intervene about/report to police about? Or do you choose to turn a blind eye to everything everybody else does?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Like it or not, the road we are going down is to put efforts in to reduce or control the spread of the infection levels in the community. It's mostly supported by the majority as a sensible and supported way forward and it is accepted (largely) that there is an economic price to pay for this and an as yet unquantified and unknowable consequence regarding health and wellbeing. (there could potentially be upsides too... And these are similarly unknowable for a while yet).

The success or failure of any approach is not how many laws or guidelines are published but in how many individuals choose to adopt them... Either willingly or grudgingly or by coercion and enforcement.

My question or discussion is.

At what point would people intervene when seeing rules being broken? To hold up a mirror to people and encourage or support or request or berate or threaten or report etc.

So if we see someone being assaulted would we intervene..

If we know our neighbour is making racist graffiti.. Would we intervene...

If we believe we see someone dealing large quantities of drugs or stolen goods..

Breaking into a house / school /car?

About to drink drive / drug drive?

Organising a rave / party?

Not wearing a mask.?

Carrying a knife?

Throwing a pile of litter /leaving a pile of litter in the park...

And so on... What laws do you choose to care about / choose to break / intervene about/report to police about? Or do you choose to turn a blind eye to everything everybody else does?

"
Great post

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

It's difficult isn't it.

I admit that I choose not to report neighbours at the behest of the government.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It's difficult isn't it.

I admit that I choose not to report neighbours at the behest of the government.

"

It is, some if the above I've stepped in and done and no doubt not alone in that but when our neighbour who has four children under ten had her sister with two children also under ten the thought never entered my head to do anything but smile as they were playing and laughter was in abundance..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Laws and morality are seldom walking the same path. I see government and by extension the police, as a cabal of people working mostly secretly to enrich themselves, enforce an agenda that only benefits a few and control the freedom and movement of the rest of us. I stick to a solid set of rules. Above all do no harm. Recognize how every action has consequences both good and bad. Try to leave the world better than you found it.

Unfortunately the people who rule this world do not share this opinion so as I realise that I have no power to help them change, I sure as hell am not going to help them further enslave my fellow humans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's difficult isn't it.

I admit that I choose not to report neighbours at the behest of the government.

It is, some if the above I've stepped in and done and no doubt not alone in that but when our neighbour who has four children under ten had her sister with two children also under ten the thought never entered my head to do anything but smile as they were playing and laughter was in abundance..

"

I cannot recall all the bubble rules, but if you're a single parent with no adults in the household, isn't that the same ruling as a one person household, you can join another household as a bubble? The sisters could qualify under that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's difficult isn't it.

I admit that I choose not to report neighbours at the behest of the government.

"
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Neither do I unless it's wilful(house party) and or/an annoyance to others (music blaring at 2am on a weekday).

My neighbours are the ones that help me out when I need a lift or to borrow a garden tool, jump start the car, they'll be around for me long after the government and hopefully this virus fucks off

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By *ictoriaathomeTV/TS
over a year ago

Huddersfield

One thing is sure, no matter what your political beliefs are or inclinations are towards the so called 'control'. Without any vaccine the only way this Covid can be controlled is by everybody taking responsibility for themselves and keeping an eye out on others, no matter how uncomfortable that might make you feel.

Its tough but it's survival pure and simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One thing is sure, no matter what your political beliefs are or inclinations are towards the so called 'control'. Without any vaccine the only way this Covid can be controlled is by everybody taking responsibility for themselves and keeping an eye out on others, no matter how uncomfortable that might make you feel.

Its tough but it's survival pure and simple. "
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You can't control an endemic airborne virus no more than you can control the weather, even a vaccine won't stop it for decades and that's if you can convince 60% of the population to take it and retake it every 12 months, all these measures were originally only intended to stop the health service from collapsing, everybody that is susceptible to this virus is going to die from it eventually, were just trying to not let it happen all in one go is the honest truth.

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By *ictoriaathomeTV/TS
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Harsh but probably very true!

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk


"It's difficult isn't it.

I admit that I choose not to report neighbours at the behest of the government.

"

We didn't either..may rethink it if it happens again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"... everybody that is susceptible to this virus is going to die from it eventually, were just trying to not let it happen all in one go is the honest truth."

Everybody etc, a mahoosive generalisation that simply is the stuff of fiction.

FACT 1: RNA viruses, due to their unstable nature, mutate.

2: Not everybody susceptible will catch it.

3. Those susceptible MAY recover.

There's probably more but I'm gonna watch bojo.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It's difficult isn't it.

I admit that I choose not to report neighbours at the behest of the government.

It is, some if the above I've stepped in and done and no doubt not alone in that but when our neighbour who has four children under ten had her sister with two children also under ten the thought never entered my head to do anything but smile as they were playing and laughter was in abundance..

I cannot recall all the bubble rules, but if you're a single parent with no adults in the household, isn't that the same ruling as a one person household, you can join another household as a bubble? The sisters could qualify under that? "

Tbh not entirely sure if it was after the rule of 6 came in, all a bit daft when five if the little ones are in the same primary..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"... everybody that is susceptible to this virus is going to die from it eventually, were just trying to not let it happen all in one go is the honest truth.

Everybody etc, a mahoosive generalisation that simply is the stuff of fiction.

FACT 1: RNA viruses, due to their unstable nature, mutate.

2: Not everybody susceptible will catch it.

3. Those susceptible MAY recover.

There's probably more but I'm gonna watch bojo. "
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Obviously I didn't mean everybody was going to catch it, there's millions of people wandering around who've never had flu despite no restrictions and never being vaccinated.

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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago

North Yorkshire

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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago

North Yorkshire

With reference to the OP's first post. I think discretion is the better part of valour. The OP is not employed to enforce the law of the land. It would be better for him if he employed a bit of 'policeman's discretion' and turned away and walked away. It is altogether too easy for him to be called the perpetrator of events in any resulting melee. There are some nasty people about carrying concealed lethal weapons who have no regard for the life of another. It is all well and good being a 'good samaritan' and not passing on the other side of the road. Today you could end up severely or mortally wounded. Don't ask me to provide evidence of what I say. Just read the news and watch it on television. The evidence is there for anyone to see. Before you intervene you should consider the impact of your actions on your family and others should you cease to be.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"It's difficult isn't it.

I admit that I choose not to report neighbours at the behest of the government.

"

It's your neighbour and not "the government's" you have to live with the consequences of any interventions or lack of.

It is extremely difficult and this period has shone a light on these questions and divisions.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"It's difficult isn't it.

I admit that I choose not to report neighbours at the behest of the government.

.

Neither do I unless it's wilful(house party) and or/an annoyance to others (music blaring at 2am on a weekday).

My neighbours are the ones that help me out when I need a lift or to borrow a garden tool, jump start the car, they'll be around for me long after the government and hopefully this virus fucks off "

Wish we all had neighbours as friendly as that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One thing is sure, no matter what your political beliefs are or inclinations are towards the so called 'control'. Without any vaccine the only way this Covid can be controlled is by everybody taking responsibility for themselves and keeping an eye out on others, no matter how uncomfortable that might make you feel.

Its tough but it's survival pure and simple. .

You can't control an endemic airborne virus no more than you can control the weather, even a vaccine won't stop it for decades and that's if you can convince 60% of the population to take it and retake it every 12 months, all these measures were originally only intended to stop the health service from collapsing, everybody that is susceptible to this virus is going to die from it eventually, were just trying to not let it happen all in one go is the honest truth."

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I generally step in to influence people to stop, as anything beyond our mere presence can be enough to get people to rethink what they are doing. Occasionally an aggressive stance is needed but typically being assertive and friendly is enough. I don't typically have limits on what I'll engage about. If it's definitely something that only the police can handle, for example, otherwise I'd get serious harm, then I may engage with them but that's not something that I'd always willingly do.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy


"One thing is sure, no matter what your political beliefs are or inclinations are towards the so called 'control'. Without any vaccine the only way this Covid can be controlled is by everybody taking responsibility for themselves and keeping an eye out on others, no matter how uncomfortable that might make you feel.

Its tough but it's survival pure and simple. .

You can't control an endemic airborne virus no more than you can control the weather, even a vaccine won't stop it for decades and that's if you can convince 60% of the population to take it and retake it every 12 months, all these measures were originally only intended to stop the health service from collapsing, everybody that is susceptible to this virus is going to die from it eventually, were just trying to not let it happen all in one go is the honest truth. "

Sense!

Boris Johnson's strategy is laughable & fundamentally flawed.

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