FabSwingers.com forum: Scary figures from the scientists

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Read this article -

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-disease-is-clearly-spreading-but-can-we-trust-the-figures-12078232

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Do you trust anybody?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not a question of do we believe the numbers, it's a question of how many are willing/able to read beyond the scary headline and understand what's actually being said.

I believe the gentlemen were at pains to point out that they were presenting one possible scenario, not the only one. I suspect they weren't given an exactly free hand in regard to the content of their statement - there is very clearly an agenda being pursued.

The question for all of us is just how far are we willing to allow the government to go. How many restrictions are too many? How long is too long? Is this even the right path to be on?

There are arguments on all sides, and growing disquiet even among the government's own MP's about the length and extent of the restrictions being imposed without proper parliamentary oversight.

The one thing we can be certain of is that any increase in restriction will have a devastating economic impact, way beyond that felt during lockdown (and that's still not been fully realized!).

We'd all do well to remember there is likely to be far less governmental support this time round - they simply don't have the financial room to repeat the last 6 months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's better to trust reputable material than the bilge that's been infecting much of the Internet for months.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It's better to trust reputable material than the bilge that's been infecting much of the Internet for months. "

This..

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"It's better to trust reputable material than the bilge that's been infecting much of the Internet for months. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's better to trust reputable material than the bilge that's been infecting much of the Internet for months. "

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"It's not a question of do we believe the numbers, it's a question of how many are willing/able to read beyond the scary headline and understand what's actually being said.

The question for all of us is just how far are we willing to allow the government to go. How many restrictions are too many? How long is too long? Is this even the right path to be on?

There are arguments on all sides, and growing disquiet even among the government's own MP's about the length and extent of the restrictions being imposed without proper parliamentary oversight.

The one thing we can be certain of is that any increase in restriction will have a devastating economic impact, way beyond that felt during lockdown (and that's still not been fully realized!).

We'd all do well to remember there is likely to be far less governmental support this time round - they simply don't have the financial room to repeat the last 6 months."
All true and we should all be concerned but we cannot ignore it

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I think some people are going to be sceptical about apocalyptic predictions given how inaccurate Professor Ferguson's were.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"It's better to trust reputable material than the bilge that's been infecting much of the Internet for months. "
True but they paint the worst of outcomes,which is the right thing to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who to believe, two scientists with decades of public health and virology experience, or SuperShagger and topwilly from a swinging site?

How will I ever decide?

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

It was a weird one to watch. They said again and again that the 49,000 figure was NOT a prediction. Yet within seconds news sources were treating it as one. Seemed like a bad idea for them to have gone with that, as useful as it was IF interpreted correctly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who to believe, two scientists with decades of public health and virology experience, or SuperShagger and topwilly from a swinging site?

How will I ever decide?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'll notice that as soon as it starts to affect the media outlets and their financial backers that ALL OF A SUDDEN the scientists are questioned on their trust worthyness.

Anti-intellectual bullshit is only superceded in it's depressing traits by the morons who get lulled into believing it.

Who do YOU trust? A whole field of scientists who are publishing this stuff in peer reviewed papers, or a fucking editorial by an economist who has zero training in the given field?

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

Who do YOU trust? A whole field of scientists who are publishing this stuff in peer reviewed papers, or a fucking editorial by an economist who has zero training in the given field?"

Funny how all these numpties still trust the same experts in any other area that benefits them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is strange how everyone has an opinion of what should and shouldn't have been done after the fact but very little people speak up when it's actually happening, I am talking about politicians and experts here.

Yes things could have gone better but that's the case with everything.

People bad mouth Boris Johnson but he's making informed decisions based upon expert advice, whether rightly or wrongly.

When the countries decision are being made it has 70 million people to take into account and no decision made can suddenly make this all go away and be better. It's all a question of damage limitation weighed up against human life and I know that's not a decision I'd sleep well knowing I am making.

When you look throughout history things like this have happened before but without the ability to inform this through the internet, the true extent was known only by a few rather than what it is now. The internet provides a useful medium for a lot of things and you can stay abreast of what's going on, but it also allows everyone to have an opinion and even incorrect information can now become more accessible than the truth.

If you look to the media they get paid to make headlines and that's exactly what they are doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You'll notice that as soon as it starts to affect the media outlets and their financial backers that ALL OF A SUDDEN the scientists are questioned on their trust worthyness.

Anti-intellectual bullshit is only superceded in it's depressing traits by the morons who get lulled into believing it.

Who do YOU trust? A whole field of scientists who are publishing this stuff in peer reviewed papers, or a fucking editorial by an economist who has zero training in the given field?"

I'll say it again - this isn't about the credibility of the scientists, it's about the fact that one possible scenario (and one they themselves repeatedly pointed out is far from certain to occur) is being seized upon and used to write headlines and formulate policy.

I have no issue trusting science but you have to listen to all of it, not just the bits you like or that support the agenda you're trying to promote. Our government don't seem to be doing that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No."

Who do you trust then? This should make interesting reading

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Theatre news will jump on anything that they deem is important, its up to us to decide if we believe or not

Science is best guess until proven, things change and evolve all the time as we discover new ways to do something

I am worried that people are forgetting that the reported test figures have a time lag and don't show a current true figure, which could be many times higher than the daily information report

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There going to reset the world and implement a one word currency useing crypto.They are going to present it as a saviour scenario but in reality over time with Artificial intelligence atomic super computer technology the whole world has become an open prison.We're being herded into place for mass sloghter unless we get organised and rebel against the systems being built to enslave us all. Privacy was taken away when bush declared the newworld order.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People do speak up they get rail roaded and silenced like julian assanged and many other wistel blowers who do try and speak up. People who get airspace are all lunatics who sensationalise issues and talk in circles. A five year old could run the world with more effectiveness than all the so call leaders put together. They people in power want to enslave the world totally.End game is world domination the ellites use fear and suffering for social engineering and hurdling people around. Rebellion is our only salvation.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

So now in addition to

Professor Woolhouse from Edinburgh University is a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group and advises the government.

He recently said that Trying to control Covid-19 through a lockdown as a monumental mistake.

90 doctors and scientists in Israel, including a Nobel prize winner, recently concluded 'A closure is thus a strategic mistake, based on a lack of basic understanding of the mechanisms of a pandemic'.

A letter signed by 394 medical doctors and 1343 health professionals in Belgium has just been sent to the Belgium Government where they argue that there is no medical justification for any further Covid restrictions – the medical evidence just doesn’t support them.

We now have, in the UK,

Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford

Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford

Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham

Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight

writing to the government to say that "that the existing policy path is inconsistent with the known risk-profile of Covid-19 and should be reconsidered."

As I keep repeating these types of measures do nothing other than alter the rate of transmission (and trash the economy).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So now in addition to

Professor Woolhouse from Edinburgh University is a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group and advises the government.

He recently said that Trying to control Covid-19 through a lockdown as a monumental mistake.

We now have, in the UK,

Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford

Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford

Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham

Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight

writing to the government to say that "that the existing policy path is inconsistent with the known risk-profile of Covid-19 and should be reconsidered."

As I keep repeating these types of measures do nothing other than alter the rate of transmission (and trash the economy).

The whole point of the lockdowns is to slow the rate of transmission and help protect the NHS.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"So now in addition to

Professor Woolhouse from Edinburgh University is a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group and advises the government.

He recently said that Trying to control Covid-19 through a lockdown as a monumental mistake.

We now have, in the UK,

Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford

Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford

Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham

Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight

writing to the government to say that "that the existing policy path is inconsistent with the known risk-profile of Covid-19 and should be reconsidered."

As I keep repeating these types of measures do nothing other than alter the rate of transmission (and trash the economy).

Have you read the letter signed by the Belgium doctors?

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By *urhamjayMan
over a year ago

Durham

"It's not a question of do we believe the numbers, it's a question of how many are willing/able to read beyond the scary headline and understand what's actually being said.

The question for all of us is just how far are we willing to allow the government to go. How many restrictions are too many? How long is too long? Is this even the right path to be on?

There are arguments on all sides, and growing disquiet even among the government's own MP's about the length and extent of the restrictions being imposed without proper parliamentary oversight.

The one thing we can be certain of is that any increase in restriction will have a devastating economic impact, way beyond that felt during lockdown (and that's still not been fully realized!).

We'd all do well to remember there is likely to be far less governmental support this time round - they simply don't have the financial room to repeat the last 6 months."

The interesting thing about the economic impact was that once the virus was cured, everything would be back to normal in terms of economy. Restaurant jobs lost would be reinstated. Almost like flicking a switch. However there's been job losses where companies have used the virus as an excuse, and they won't be coming back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the government told me the sun is in the sky I would go and check, the lying bastards have been stealing and cheating us for the last 100 year's. Now this shit is bringing it all to light, time to change the system before we lose everything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So now in addition to

Professor Woolhouse from Edinburgh University is a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group and advises the government.

He recently said that Trying to control Covid-19 through a lockdown as a monumental mistake.

We now have, in the UK,

Professor Sunetra Gupta; Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford

Professor Carl Heneghan; Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford

Professor Karol Sikora; Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham

Sam Williams; Director and co-founder of Economic Insight

writing to the government to say that "that the existing policy path is inconsistent with the known risk-profile of Covid-19 and should be reconsidered."

As I keep repeating these types of measures do nothing other than alter the rate of transmission (and trash the economy).

Karol Sikora is widely regarded as a grifter in medical circles, he was sued by Imperial College when he started saying he worked for them and refused to stop saying it when they asked (because he didn't work for them). He's also neither an epidemiologist nor a virologist.

Sam Williams is an economist who part owns a consulting firm which makes money advising companies how to get round regulations. If companies aren't planning large investments, as they aren't in the middle of a global pandemic, then his company doesn't make money.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There going to reset the world and implement a one word currency useing crypto.They are going to present it as a saviour scenario but in reality over time with Artificial intelligence atomic super computer technology the whole world has become an open prison.We're being herded into place for mass sloghter unless we get organised and rebel against the systems being built to enslave us all. Privacy was taken away when bush declared the newworld order."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a sad sad world when we no longer can tell between fact or fiction.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

That's some serious imagining..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"If the government told me the sun is in the sky I would go and check, the lying bastards have been stealing and cheating us for the last 100 year's. Now this shit is bringing it all to light, time to change the system before we lose everything. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a sad sad world when we no longer can tell between fact or fiction.

“The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.”

? Garry Kasparov

Hence you get all these tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists who think they are speaking truth to power but in fact are doing the bidding of the powerful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can anyone smell that? I think it's.. BULLSHIT!!!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

The size of the Universe is a big figure too - I'm pretty sure that no Scientist has every been out there with a B&Q Tape Measure - So for the moment I'll just trust their judgement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP"

Nonsense. PCR testing, while certainly capable of generating false positives is a lot more accurate than that. If you're interested google the process - the more amplification cycles used the greater the risk of false positive results but at normal levels of amplifcation the accuracy is pretty much 98-99%.

Likewise, a PCR test for covid will not react at all to rhinovirus, nor to RSV or influenza virus - it's specific to coronavirus.

The tests are not broken. The adminstration & testing system on the other hand is rapidly becoming shambolic.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Like most things, there is a load of information that is out there. People now just look for the information that bests suits their mindset, then keeps repeating it every chance they get to justify their actions.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Like most things, there is a load of information that is out there. People now just look for the information that bests suits their mindset, then keeps repeating it every chance they get to justify their actions."

Yep.

Doesn't matter how often it's repeated, if it's shit then that's what it is.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP"

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment? "

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

That's always been true.... Its why the lefties always read the grauniad and the righties the torygraph. People almost always gravitate to what they enjoy or suits them. It's quite a skill to challenge yourself to take information from many different sources and build your own picture. Because of the global and omnipresent nature of Covid and its associated infotainment... Its just highlighted that situation more than ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scientists are funded by the same people who fund and pay off politicians for there own agenda they don’t care about the normal people, all these new cases are due to increase in testing, doesn’t mean they have any symptoms. If you test everyone for heart disease or cancer the rates would also go up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Scientists are funded by the same people who fund and pay off politicians for there own agenda they don’t care about the normal people, all these new cases are due to increase in testing, doesn’t mean they have any symptoms. If you test everyone for heart disease or cancer the rates would also go up. "

It's irrelevant if someone does not have symptoms. If they test positive they can still spread the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's irrelevant if someone does not have symptoms. If they test positive they can still spread the virus."

You can speed germs/bugs not a virus. the test can’t determine if it’s covid or a common cold you have had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's irrelevant if someone does not have symptoms. If they test positive they can still spread the virus.

You can speed germs/bugs not a virus. the test can’t determine if it’s covid or a common cold you have had. "

What is your point?

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

It's irrelevant if someone does not have symptoms. If they test positive they can still spread the virus."

A positive PCR does not indicate that the person is infectious, it shows there was RNA present from dead or live coronavirus. The test is being done with up to 40 cycles which is much higher than the 30 cycles that is suggested would detect presence at a level to suggest a real infection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's irrelevant if someone does not have symptoms. If they test positive they can still spread the virus.

You can speed germs/bugs not a virus. the test can’t determine if it’s covid or a common cold you have had.

What is your point?

Point is the figures are fixed the lockdowns are unjust and they are stealing our and our children’s freedoms..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's irrelevant if someone does not have symptoms. If they test positive they can still spread the virus.

You can speed germs/bugs not a virus. the test can’t determine if it’s covid or a common cold you have had.

What is your point?

Point is the figures are fixed the lockdowns are unjust and they are stealing our and our children’s freedoms.. "

PMSL, of course they are. I have one simple question, why are they doing this then? What is the end game ?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

It's irrelevant if someone does not have symptoms. If they test positive they can still spread the virus.

You can speed germs/bugs not a virus. the test can’t determine if it’s covid or a common cold you have had.

What is your point?

Point is the figures are fixed the lockdowns are unjust and they are stealing our and our children’s freedoms.. "

Images of Mel Gibson in tartan....

Seriously though... This melodramatic steal my freedom bollocks... Really? I can go out, I can stay in... Life's not perfect... Very far from it. But I feel more like I'm being careful about what I'm doing for me and for my family and friends, wash my hands, wear a mask sometimes, don't see loads of people indoors.. than Ive had my freedom stolen. Maybe I'm wrong. I guess people can see anything that prevents me doing everything they want when they want as a loss of freedom.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

It's irrelevant if someone does not have symptoms. If they test positive they can still spread the virus.

You can speed germs/bugs not a virus. the test can’t determine if it’s covid or a common cold you have had.

What is your point?

Point is the figures are fixed the lockdowns are unjust and they are stealing our and our children’s freedoms..

PMSL, of course they are. I have one simple question, why are they doing this then? What is the end game ?

So we will bow down to our lizard men overloads init

. I agree with you, I keep asking that same question and nobody ever responds to it! Their overactive imaginations don’t stretch that far

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You think it’s braveheart I see it as a broken heart,old people dying alone in hospital not being allowed there Family’s with them etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Images of Mel Gibson in tartan....

These libertarians and their stolen freedoms, they preach personal responsibility and self reliance but still want to drive on the roads we've all paid for, still want to use the National Health Service etc.

They see themselves as Braveheart but they don't understand that all everyone else sees is a child having a tantrum.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Perhaps this article has something to do with it. Note the use of the word "may"...

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-common-colds-may-account-for-some-reported-covid-19-cases-phe-survey-says-12075554

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depopulation by vaccinations the secret war on people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Depopulation by vaccinations the secret war on people "

So the virus has been created so they can kill us by vaccinations? Who is responsible for this cunning plan? Doctor Evil

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Wow ok then, actually many epidemiologist have written many reports on the matter.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's better to trust reputable material than the bilge that's been infecting much of the Internet for months. "

This

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

All this talk of massive false positives is just wrong. Firstly the test has been proven at 95% efficiency, so will not produce more than 5% of incorrect results. Secondly, to produce a positive result requires the presence of the virus' RNA which means that false positives are likely a result of contaminated samples. It is MUCH harder to produce false positives than negatives, and unless people are tested multiple times they would never know if their negative result is false.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Wow ok then, actually many epidemiologist have written many reports on the matter. "

There's loads of "Dave's" on the internet

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"You think it’s braveheart I see it as a broken heart,old people dying alone in hospital not being allowed there Family’s with them etc "

I think has changed hasn't it? Certainly my friend and his family were allowed to be with his father when he passed awayast month. Or maybe that policy is hospital dependent. But I agree

.. If its still true it is very sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Wow ok then, actually many epidemiologist have written many reports on the matter.

There's loads of "Dave's" on the internet"

Ah the Internet in 2020, someone shares a different opinion so quickly let's insult them.

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By *plpxp2Couple
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Wow ok then, actually many epidemiologist have written many reports on the matter.

There's loads of "Dave's" on the internet"

Not Dave's - a peer review of 25 studies:

Prof Carl Heneghan, one of the study's authors, said instead of giving a "yes/no" result based on whether any virus is detected, tests should have a cut-off point so that very small amounts of virus do not trigger a positive result.

He believes the detection of traces of old virus could partly explain why the number of cases is rising while hospital admissions remain stable.

The University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine reviewed the evidence from 25 studies where virus specimens from positive tests were put in a petri dish to see whether they would grow.

This method of "viral culturing" can indicate whether the positive test has picked up active virus which can reproduce and spread, or just dead virus fragments which won't grow in the lab, or in a person.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Depopulation by vaccinations the secret war on people

So the virus has been created so they can kill us by vaccinations? Who is responsible for this cunning plan? Doctor Evil

Just a thought. If "they" want to depopulate the planet. Aren't there much easier and more immediate ways of doing this than creating a global media story that all countries in the world buy into... So that all countries independently create vaccines, that coincidently all kill a very small percentage of the people who have them?

If "they" are that powerful surely "they" can find a much easier way that doesn't require 190 plus counties to come to the same unanimous consensus?

Now don't get me wrong.

I'm sure this last 6 months there have been many lies spread on all sides...

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Wow ok then, actually many epidemiologist have written many reports on the matter.

There's loads of "Dave's" on the internet

Not Dave's - a peer review of 25 studies:

He believes the detection of traces of old virus could partly explain why the number of cases is rising while hospital admissions remain stable.

The University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine reviewed the evidence from 25 studies where virus specimens from positive tests were put in a petri dish to see whether they would grow.

Yes I saw that... But it doesn't say anywhere in it that 8 out of 9 positives are false positives nor that 80 per cent in children under 13 are common cold.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Wow ok then, actually many epidemiologist have written many reports on the matter.

There's loads of "Dave's" on the internet

Ah the Internet in 2020, someone shares a different opinion so quickly let's insult them. "

Anyone who feels insulted by a correction of the complete and utter crap they post needs to give their head a wobble and look for REAL FACTS and not embellish some opinions as their own.

This is a serious virus not a personal competition as to who can find the most garbage to repeat from #dave or #sandra

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over a year ago

He recently said that Trying to control Covid-19 through a lockdown as a monumental mistake. "

He also failed to offer a suitable alternative. Calling it the only choice available.

"90 doctors and scientists in Israel, including a Nobel prize winner, recently concluded 'A closure is thus a strategic mistake "

That Nobel prize winner (for chemistry, not epidemiology) also is claiming it's a global conspiracy to make money off the vaccine.

"A letter signed by 394 medical doctors and 1343 health professionals in Belgium has just been sent to the Belgium Government where they argue that there is no medical justification for any further Covid restrictions "

The use the already debunked claim about the Swedish model being effective, neglecting to mention that Sweden had a death rate 10x that of it's neighbours.

THe doctors who signed the letter consist of mostly psychiatrists, orthapeadics, general practitioners, gynocologists. NOT epidemiologists. There's no context to how their signatures were obtained. None of the letter is taking information from peer review. It looks to be just a page shared on Facebook.

"As I keep repeating these types of measures do nothing other than alter the rate of transmission (and trash the economy).

The various list of scientists you've then listed all have conflicting positions on the nessesary steps. Some regard the best option to be targetted policies for the elderly, others are making bizarre claims about herd immunity. Saying the measures do nothing isn't really justified by the evidence you've put forward.

It's mostly just an attempt to poison the well by shedding some doubt on the existing policies and then jumping to the conclusion without justification that everything was unwarranted.

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over a year ago

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Wow ok then, actually many epidemiologist have written many reports on the matter.

There's loads of "Dave's" on the internet

Ah the Internet in 2020, someone shares a different opinion so quickly let's insult them. "

If you were offended then I apologise for the ‘insult’ , however, if you post misleading information on here you have to expect a level of scrutiny and criticism .

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over a year ago

"Depopulation by vaccinations the secret war on people

So the virus has been created so they can kill us by vaccinations? Who is responsible for this cunning plan? Doctor Evil

If "they" are that powerful surely "they" can find a much easier way that doesn't require 190 plus counties to come to the same unanimous consensus?

Now don't get me wrong.

I'm sure this last 6 months there have been many lies spread on all sides... "

I agree, I would also like to know who ‘they’ are ?

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over a year ago

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Wow ok then, actually many epidemiologist have written many reports on the matter.

There's loads of "Dave's" on the internet

Ah the Internet in 2020, someone shares a different opinion so quickly let's insult them.

If you were offended then I apologise for the ‘insult’ , however, if you post misleading information on here you have to expect a level of scrutiny and criticism . "

No I posted my opinion to the OP questions which can be backed up by credible sources

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over a year ago

I think you need to look at this in the round and with a bit more perspective. Public Health England have just published a list of the average Daily Fatalites in the UK and its makes interesting reading.

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

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over a year ago

"No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Wow, so that is the kind of dangerous misinformation / outright lie that is really unhelpful. Out of interest where did you read this comment?

Dave of Facebook posted it so it must be true

Wow ok then, actually many epidemiologist have written many reports on the matter.

There's loads of "Dave's" on the internet

Ah the Internet in 2020, someone shares a different opinion so quickly let's insult them.

If you were offended then I apologise for the ‘insult’ , however, if you post misleading information on here you have to expect a level of scrutiny and criticism .

No I posted my opinion to the OP questions which can be backed up by credible sources"

No we cant trust them. I have read reports saying that for 9 positive results 8 are false positives, and 80% of positives is under 13s are in fact for rhinovirus (common cold) not Covid.

Sort the testing ASAP

Can you post the link for this,

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over a year ago

"I think you need to look at this in the round and with a bit more perspective. Public Health England have just published a list of the average Daily Fatalites in the UK and its makes interesting reading.

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

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over a year ago

I agree, I would also like to know who ‘they’ are ?"

If you’re an anti-Semitic nut job then it’s the New World Order as led by George Soros.

If you’re just a normal nut job then it’s the New World Order as led by Bill Gates.

Mix some lizard people in there too if you like.

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over a year ago

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

I’m not sure you can catch DIY.

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over a year ago

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

I’m not sure you can catch DIY."

You can , I once met Nick Knowles and caught the DIY bug, I spent 4 grand on shite from B & Q before I was fully cured

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just for the record, contrary to the DMs I have been receiving. I am not an anti vaxxer (I will be one of the first in the queue when it is released to the public), not a conspiracy theorist, I very much believe the virus is out there from natural causes. What I do doubt though is the ability of the UK government to handle this crisis. I also am anti lockdown.

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over a year ago

"Just for the record, contrary to the DMs I have been receiving. I am not an anti vaxxer (I will be one of the first in the queue when it is released to the public), not a conspiracy theorist, I very much believe the virus is out there from natural causes. What I do doubt though is the ability of the UK government to handle this crisis. I also am anti lockdown. "

I agree, the government have been very poor but I think it’s down to incompetence not conspiracy. I still don’t know where you got the information that stated 8 out of 9 COVID tests are not accurate though

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year? "

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes.

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over a year ago

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes."

1%? 40,000 x 100 is 4 million? Is that correct ? Since March? With a national lockdown?

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes.

1%? 40,000 x 100 is 4 million? Is that correct ? Since March? With a national lockdown? "

'currently' was what I tried to emphasise

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over a year ago

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents."

Please note we take steps to try and reduce those things from happening, i.e. cancer treatment, testing, warning labels on power tools.

Would you be ok with cancelling all those steps to see if the death rates skyrocketed afterward?

I'm not entirely sure how closing B&Q would prevent people from continuing to have accidents in the home (your 16 deaths per day isn't exclusively DIY, it's ALL accidents in the home). People still fall off ladders, stab themselves in the kitchen, fall down the stairs.

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over a year ago

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home"

Also you maths are off. With just under 42,000 deaths in the UK so far, it works out to about 175 deaths per day from covid.

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over a year ago

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

I’m not sure you can catch DIY."
My husband never has!

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over a year ago

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

Also you maths are off. With just under 42,000 deaths in the UK so far, it works out to about 175 deaths per day from covid."
Not my maths, Public Health England. Admitidley a well known group of scaremongers.

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By *ames_LondonMan
over a year ago

Southgate

I don’t think Covid is a conspiracy - the government simply aren’t clever enough and everything they are doing is reactive. However, I do think government response to Covid globally is a massive overreaction and will be looked back on as a self inflicted disaster.

Scientists don’t deliberately make false predictions to scare people, but they are under pressure to deliver in their field and, of course, dire predictions garner more attention than those that don’t. The pharma companies that fund research also want bang for their buck and will not fund a scientist that doesn’t deliver papers which receive attention. Then you have the egos of the scientists themselves. Who wouldn’t want to be the centre of attention after years of sitting in a dark dusty lab? Eg Prof Pantsdown getting some top Tory. They aren’t exaggerating deliberately, Covid is just confirming their un conscious bias.

Unfortunately, in this area they are never proved wrong because everyone acts to prevent the worst case outcome that almost certainly would not happen. Scientists are not geniuses, unless they are in theoretical physics or something, they are just bright people who like academic work and work hard at it.

Then you have the politicians who are probably trying to do the right thing but are only in their jobs due to public opinion and therefore have to follow a strategy that unintentionally supports the public hysteria created by the scientists and media.

The media aren’t deliberately misleading, they are trying to sell interesting stories based on the scientists and politicians opinions. It is all linked, all accidental. I actually think it would not have happened pre-internet and social media. You would just had a story in the papers saying there is a bad strain of flu this year, please keep the elderly safe.

I am absolutely convinced that the cost of the approach to Covid will create far more misery, poverty and death of people, young and old, over the next decade.

Nevertheless, follow the restrictions, I might be wrong.

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over a year ago

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes.

1%? 40,000 x 100 is 4 million? Is that correct ? Since March? With a national lockdown?

'currently' was what I tried to emphasise "

Currently? Based on how many infections per day?

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes.

1%? 40,000 x 100 is 4 million? Is that correct ? Since March? With a national lockdown?

'currently' was what I tried to emphasise

Currently? Based on how many infections per day? "

Nothing to do with infections

Based on deaths per day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the irony of all this is from an ecological standpoint the world is overpopulated anyway. when a virus works best. We have become so insulated against death in the west in the post war years thanks mainly to the advances in medical science

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over a year ago

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes.

1%? 40,000 x 100 is 4 million? Is that correct ? Since March? With a national lockdown?

'currently' was what I tried to emphasise

Currently? Based on how many infections per day?

Nothing to do with infections

Based on deaths per day

It has everything to do with infections, death rates and hospital admission rates will increase when infection rates increase,

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over a year ago

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

Also you maths are off. With just under 42,000 deaths in the UK so far, it works out to about 175 deaths per day from covid."

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes.

1%? 40,000 x 100 is 4 million? Is that correct ? Since March? With a national lockdown?

'currently' was what I tried to emphasise

Currently? Based on how many infections per day?

Nothing to do with infections

Based on deaths per day

It has everything to do with infections, death rates and hospital admission rates will increase when infection rates increase, "

I meant my 1% quote was nothing to do with infections it was deaths

I commented on a post about deaths, as per the norm here you now want to change that to something different to suite your argument and agenda and I'm not getting sucked into that thx

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over a year ago

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes.

1%? 40,000 x 100 is 4 million? Is that correct ? Since March? With a national lockdown?

'currently' was what I tried to emphasise

Currently? Based on how many infections per day?

Nothing to do with infections

Based on deaths per day

It has everything to do with infections, death rates and hospital admission rates will increase when infection rates increase,

I meant my 1% quote was nothing to do with infections it was deaths

I commented on a post about deaths, as per the norm here you now want to change that to something different to suite your argument and agenda and I'm not getting sucked into that thx

I have no agenda , I agree deaths are low right now but your 1% statistic was misleading at first,

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

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450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes.

1%? 40,000 x 100 is 4 million? Is that correct ? Since March? With a national lockdown?

'currently' was what I tried to emphasise

Currently? Based on how many infections per day?

Nothing to do with infections

Based on deaths per day

It has everything to do with infections, death rates and hospital admission rates will increase when infection rates increase,

I meant my 1% quote was nothing to do with infections it was deaths

I commented on a post about deaths, as per the norm here you now want to change that to something different to suite your argument and agenda and I'm not getting sucked into that thx

I have no agenda , I agree deaths are low right now but your 1% statistic was misleading at first, "

My quote was as follows, I don't understand why that is misleading

"Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths"

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By *ames_LondonMan
over a year ago

Southgate

Well said. There is an argument that people live too long now. Quality of life from 85-95 is pretty limited in a lot of cases.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

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"Well said. There is an argument that people live too long now. Quality of life from 85-95 is pretty limited in a lot of cases. "

People live too long?

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over a year ago

"Well said. There is an argument that people live too long now. Quality of life from 85-95 is pretty limited in a lot of cases. "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Well said. There is an argument that people live too long now. Quality of life from 85-95 is pretty limited in a lot of cases. "

Euthanasia then?

What about babies born with life threatening conditions, just put them to one side..?

Others born with down syndrome or other disabilities, suffocation?

The lack of empathy and humanity at times with this pandemic is sickening..

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Not my maths, Public Health England. Admitidley a well known group of scaremongers. "

Feel free to post the source then, because they've got their maths wrong and need informing.

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over a year ago

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE."

So cherry picked data. Got it.

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over a year ago

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE.

So cherry picked data. Got it."

They are the latest weekly death figures from PHE. What the hell are you on about "cherry picked data"

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Well said. There is an argument that people live too long now. Quality of life from 85-95 is pretty limited in a lot of cases.

Euthanasia then?

What about babies born with life threatening conditions, just put them to one side..?

Others born with down syndrome or other disabilities, suffocation?

The lack of empathy and humanity at times with this pandemic is sickening..

Mad isnt it?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Well said. There is an argument that people live too long now. Quality of life from 85-95 is pretty limited in a lot of cases.

Euthanasia then?

What about babies born with life threatening conditions, just put them to one side..?

Others born with down syndrome or other disabilities, suffocation?

The lack of empathy and humanity at times with this pandemic is sickening..

Mad isnt it?

It saddens but doesn't surprise me, as much as many good people step up in such times the minority of those who appear to be only about them selves was going to happen..

Bit like death 'top trumps'..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are the latest weekly death figures from PHE. What the hell are you on about "cherry picked data""

Because cherry picking a single week to extrapolate a yearly average is obviously fallacious.

Why choose this week as opposed to the week where deaths were at it's peak?

I'm also still waiting for an actual source on this. I've been scanning the PHE database unable to find these actual figures.

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By *ames_LondonMan
over a year ago

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At least try to understand what I said before being outraged. I said that there is an argument that people are living too long not that it is right or wrong. Some very old people do not enjoy their life, either because their body is failing or because their mind is failing. Clearly I am not suggesting that euthanasia, but to blindly say that giving an 95 year old an extra year of life is worth any sacrifice when that 95 year old may not want it is nonsensical.

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over a year ago

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

How many people have died from COVID this year?

Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths.

Decisions cannot be made based on historic data.

We need to understand historical data to understand the impact of the virus but we need to look at the current/ future landscapes.

1%? 40,000 x 100 is 4 million? Is that correct ? Since March? With a national lockdown?

'currently' was what I tried to emphasise

Currently? Based on how many infections per day?

Nothing to do with infections

Based on deaths per day

It has everything to do with infections, death rates and hospital admission rates will increase when infection rates increase,

I meant my 1% quote was nothing to do with infections it was deaths

I commented on a post about deaths, as per the norm here you now want to change that to something different to suite your argument and agenda and I'm not getting sucked into that thx

I have no agenda , I agree deaths are low right now but your 1% statistic was misleading at first,

My quote was as follows, I don't understand why that is misleading

"Currently covid is attributed to 1% of all deaths""

Fair enough, my mistake, you were 100% correct, let’s hope they stay that way

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"At least try to understand what I said before being outraged. I said that there is an argument that people are living too long not that it is right or wrong. Some very old people do not enjoy their life, either because their body is failing or because their mind is failing. Clearly I am not suggesting that euthanasia, but to blindly say that giving an 95 year old an extra year of life is worth any sacrifice when that 95 year old may not want it is nonsensical. "

Perhaps if you had put as much thought into that to which reads terrible as this then my response would have been accordingly..

I get the central point your making now about quality of life etc, having buried my Dad in March who had dementia am familiar too with that shitty disease and how it affects those with it and their families but even with the dark times there are good times for many with it..

There is a National debate to be had about dignity for those in the latter stages of life with certain ireversible terminal illnesses but perhaps putting that in here is not the place nor the time..

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over a year ago

They are the latest weekly death figures from PHE. What the hell are you on about "cherry picked data"

Because cherry picking a single week to extrapolate a yearly average is obviously fallacious.

Why choose this week as opposed to the week where deaths were at it's peak?

I'm also still waiting for an actual source on this. I've been scanning the PHE database unable to find these actual figures."

Can you highlight were they inferred it was a yearly average. All I could see was the latest weekly figures.

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over a year ago

They are the latest weekly death figures from PHE. What the hell are you on about "cherry picked data"

Because cherry picking a single week to extrapolate a yearly average is obviously fallacious.

Why choose this week as opposed to the week where deaths were at it's peak?

I'm also still waiting for an actual source on this. I've been scanning the PHE database unable to find these actual figures.

Can you highlight were they inferred it was a yearly average. All I could see was the latest weekly figures."

Apologies. It's the latest ONS figures not PHE.

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By *ames_LondonMan
over a year ago

Southgate

I am sorry to hear that. I had a similar experience last year. I also have a friend who has had a mental crisis due to the fear of passing Covid onto her family and is struggling to care for her children and work so can see the devastation on both sides.

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over a year ago

"I am sorry to hear that. I had a similar experience last year. I also have a friend who has had a mental crisis due to the fear of passing Covid onto her family and is struggling to care for her children and work so can see the devastation on both sides. "

I dread to think about the mental health numbers over the winter. The numbers rise every winter pre covid, what they are going to be like with restrictions in place is frightening.

Prostate cancer UK charity used to run regular testing clinics in village and town halls throughout the country. That stopped in March and it looks like it won't be back on until next March. Thats just one cancer.

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1Man
over a year ago

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"Read this article -

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-disease-is-clearly-spreading-but-can-we-trust-the-figures-12078232"

If not

Who are we going to trust.

THE FAB EXPERTS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The government wouldn't lie to us. And if they did it would be in a specific and limited way.

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over a year ago

"The government wouldn't lie to us. And if they did it would be in a specific and limited way."

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

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"It's better to trust reputable material than the bilge that's been infecting much of the Internet for months. "

This. Many times over.

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over a year ago

Can you highlight were they inferred it was a yearly average. All I could see was the latest weekly figures."

I never claimed that. I'm talking about the inferences made from the weekly, as if it's relevent to do so.

Someone pointing to a particular week and saying "see more people died of covid than DIY, so we should shut B&Q?"

is like someone saying "climate change isn't real because we had a really hot day in winter this year".

The simple math is that 42,000 people have died over 8 months. You divide one into the other and you get around 175 deaths mean average per day.

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over a year ago

And DIY does NOT equate to accidents at home. That's just one of many reasons.

And i'm looking at the data in front of me now and still can't find data relevent to "accidents at home" deaths.

So again, i'd like people to actually post their sources if they're going to post figures rather than just say "google it"

I have googled it. Evidence suggests it's made up numbers.

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over a year ago

"And DIY does NOT equate to accidents at home. That's just one of many reasons.

And i'm looking at the data in front of me now and still can't find data relevent to "accidents at home" deaths.

So again, i'd like people to actually post their sources if they're going to post figures rather than just say "google it"

I have googled it. Evidence suggests it's made up numbers."

Post a link and you may find yourself catching up on your gardening and bedside reading for the next 48 hours.

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over a year ago

"It's not a question of do we believe the numbers, it's a question of how many are willing/able to read beyond the scary headline and understand what's actually being said.

The question for all of us is just how far are we willing to allow the government to go. How many restrictions are too many? How long is too long? Is this even the right path to be on?

There are arguments on all sides, and growing disquiet even among the government's own MP's about the length and extent of the restrictions being imposed without proper parliamentary oversight.

The one thing we can be certain of is that any increase in restriction will have a devastating economic impact, way beyond that felt during lockdown (and that's still not been fully realized!).

We'd all do well to remember there is likely to be far less governmental support this time round - they simply don't have the financial room to repeat the last 6 months."

Totally agree with the agenda point you are making...

If you think you are living in a democratic country, well, think again!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Yep agree regarding UK govt. But I'd add to that UK population who have demonstrated how truly incompetent a large proportion are. If we know it is spread with close contact and poor hygiene habits. We don't need a government to tell us how we can reduce its spread... We need to grow up and do whatever we can to reduce its spread.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

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450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid

16 from accidents at home

5 from road accidents.

It seems that DIY is just as dangerous as covid. Should we close B&Q?

These types of daily figures don't take into account that there are strict measures in place to try to reduce the effects of Covid-19. Also the death rate is currently still near its lowest, but it wasn't that long ago that there were around a thousand a day, it would be preferable not to return to that.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I don’t think Covid is a conspiracy - the government simply aren’t clever enough and everything they are doing is reactive. However, I do think government response to Covid globally is a massive overreaction and will be looked back on as a self inflicted disaster.

I am absolutely convinced that the cost of the approach to Covid will create far more misery, poverty and death of people, young and old, over the next decade.

Nevertheless, follow the restrictions, I might be wrong. "

That's a really interesting take on it.... I agree re Internet age not being any help at all and the global response being more harmful though.

What I find amazing is that despite the gargantuan resources, financial and people thrown at this... All "the scientists" have been able to come up with in 9 months is... Was your hands, cover your mouth, keep your distance. Which let's be honest, our mums were telling us when we were kids.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE.

So cherry picked data. Got it."

So average daily death rates... For a week? Seems a strangely misrepresentative time period to use to establish a daily average.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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Thank you, it's impacted and will impact in many ways for lots of people..

I sincerely believe that what we do is of course important to get through this but that has to not be done detrimental to the elderly and the vulnerable in society as we will look back and regret it and be poorer as a country for that..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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I am absolutely convinced that the cost of the approach to Covid will create far more misery, poverty and death of people, young and old, over the next decade.

Nevertheless, follow the restrictions, I might be wrong.

That's a really interesting take on it.... I agree re Internet age not being any help at all and the global response being more harmful though.

Many infectious agents use the same means of access to us and can be prevented by the same approaches. Things have progressed a little since the great plagues, though even then distancing - space - was understood, hence the isolation of infected households, with a X painted on the door. Covered sewars started in London afterwards which helped to add space between people and sources of infection too.

Obviously they lacked scientific understanding of the exact agents responsible for the infections and hygiene measures were more difficult in high population density areas of cities, where Roman engineering technologies had long been abandoned.

Where we use hand sanitisers, they used herbal and natural remedies, some of which have antiviral and antibacterial properties etc.

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over a year ago

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE.

So cherry picked data. Got it.

So average daily death rates... For a week? Seems a strangely misrepresentative time period to use to establish a daily average. "

I think the data comes in bit at a time so this better than saying no one died for 3 says then suddenly it's 50...

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over a year ago

I am absolutely convinced that the cost of the approach to Covid will create far more misery, poverty and death of people, young and old, over the next decade.

Nevertheless, follow the restrictions, I might be wrong.

That's a really interesting take on it.... I agree re Internet age not being any help at all and the global response being more harmful though.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE.

So cherry picked data. Got it.

So average daily death rates... For a week? Seems a strangely misrepresentative time period to use to establish a daily average.

I think the data comes in bit at a time so this better than saying no one died for 3 says then suddenly it's 50..."

Possibly or maybe it doesnt suit the narrative to calculate a daily average over say... The last 6 months or 9 months or even 12 months and then compare it to other causes of death. If you want to trivialise it you could calculate a daily average over ooooh 7 days. Oh and pick the week that tells the story you want.

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over a year ago

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE.

So cherry picked data. Got it.

So average daily death rates... For a week? Seems a strangely misrepresentative time period to use to establish a daily average.

I think the data comes in bit at a time so this better than saying no one died for 3 says then suddenly it's 50...

Cherry picking data has this downside no matter which unit you choose. As a great man once said there are 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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over a year ago

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE.

So cherry picked data. Got it.

So average daily death rates... For a week? Seems a strangely misrepresentative time period to use to establish a daily average. "

The 1% relates to the deaths in the latest ons figures that mentions Covid. I’m not sure where the conversation turned to average totals

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over a year ago

The 1% relates to the deaths in the latest ons figures that mentions Covid. I’m not sure where the conversation turned to average totals "

Because someone claimed covid was as dangerous as doing DIY (which it wasn't even WITH the figures they used) and then tried to infer that being consistent would entail shutting down B&Q to prevent the same deaths and injuries from DIY.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE.

So cherry picked data. Got it.

So average daily death rates... For a week? Seems a strangely misrepresentative time period to use to establish a daily average.

The 1% relates to the deaths in the latest ons figures that mentions Covid. I’m not sure where the conversation turned to average totals "

Here you go... This is where we got to daily averages for a selected week...

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid"

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Their maths are not out those were a one weekly figure from PHE.

So cherry picked data. Got it.

So average daily death rates... For a week? Seems a strangely misrepresentative time period to use to establish a daily average.

The 1% relates to the deaths in the latest ons figures that mentions Covid. I’m not sure where the conversation turned to average totals

Here you go... This is where we got to daily averages for a selected week...

450 die from cancer each day

214 from dementia or Alzheimer's

180 from coronary heart disease

99 from a stroke

17 from covid""

How many times does it need to be hammered in before it sinks in ...

Covid deaths are low due to the fact that we have restrictions to try to limit the infections.

Remove the restrictions and see the deaths possibly rise to hundreds or thousands a day.

Maybe it will maybe it won't

Who wants to make the call that could sentance thousands of people to death ?

Slow and measured using scientific assessment as necessary as restrictions are removed, reintroduced and removed again makes sense.

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over a year ago

Whether the figures can be trusted or believed is irrelevant. Whether it’s famine, war, illness whatever; we still need the fit and healthy to work,earn and spend. That us how we survive. Hiding behind the sofa never solved anything .

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over a year ago

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"Whether the figures can be trusted or believed is irrelevant. Whether it’s famine, war, illness whatever; we still need the fit and healthy to work,earn and spend. That us how we survive. Hiding behind the sofa never solved anything . "

And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants

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over a year ago

And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants"

Let me hammer something home too... all of these 'precautions' aren't going to stop one single person catching covid in the long term. Not one. Why, because they don't eliminate the virus. They can't.

You cannot hide forever, nobody can. You can no more hide from the cold than from covid, they both spread in the same ways and they're both roughly as infectious.

Time to face facts. Most of us will catch covid eventually. Most of us will recover quickly. Some won't and some will unfortunately die. That's sad but it's also inevitable, lockdown or not, restrictions or not, precautions or not.

The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

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over a year ago

And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants

You cannot hide forever, nobody can. You can no more hide from the cold than from covid, they both spread in the same ways and they're both roughly as infectious.

The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

"
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I'm with you and I've been with you for months now after being originally on the cautious side at the beginning.

I just can't make my mind up if people genuinely can't see past the narrative of being a "granny killer" or whether it's a full on globalist takeover of the world.

Either way if they don't get they're act together in 12 months the global economy is going to hell in a handbag and then we'll really see death and misery on an unprecedented scale.

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over a year ago

And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants

You cannot hide forever, nobody can. You can no more hide from the cold than from covid, they both spread in the same ways and they're both roughly as infectious.

The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

Facts presented not in evidence.

Several countries have wiped out the virus completely.

Once numbers are limited it can be controlled through track trace and isolate.

Smallpox was the worst scourge to humanity ever but has since been declared extict.

Several pharmaceutical companies are in the 3rd and final phase of clinical trials with positive results.

Economies WORST hit are those that have had the highest cases of Covid-19. It is not an either/or balancing act. It is a case of do lockdown, do it properly, get on with life. Not do half lockdown half carry on as normal and hope the virus will be fooled by our half hearted measures.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

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And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants

You cannot hide forever, nobody can. You can no more hide from the cold than from covid, they both spread in the same ways and they're both roughly as infectious.

The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

Another one speaking common sense.

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And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants

You cannot hide forever, nobody can. You can no more hide from the cold than from covid, they both spread in the same ways and they're both roughly as infectious.

The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

Another one speaking common sense. "

"Time to face facts. Most of us will catch covid eventually."

If this is a fact, please provide a peer reviewed reference.

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The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

Feel free to say that when either you or your parents are choking to death on their bodily fluids because there's no enough life support machines or treatment centres.

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over a year ago

And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants

You cannot hide forever, nobody can. You can no more hide from the cold than from covid, they both spread in the same ways and they're both roughly as infectious.

The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

Facts presented not in evidence.

Several countries have wiped out the virus completely.

Once numbers are limited it can be controlled through track trace and isolate.

Smallpox was the worst scourge to humanity ever but has since been declared extict.

Several pharmaceutical companies are in the 3rd and final phase of clinical trials with positive results.

If several countries have wiped out the virus completely then we don't need a vaccine?.

Smallpox wasn't a Corona virus and doesn't mutate on a yearly scale and it took a hundred years to do it and it's not extinct it still exists in a laboratory.

The highest case countries all locked down with the exception of Sweden, new Zealand ain't exactly doing great with it's economy.

How an earth do you manage to control it when upto 60% of cases are asymptomatic and will go under the radar of testing, the only countries that manage it with test and trace also use closed borders, that's not exactly great for trade and economic growth.

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over a year ago

And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants

You cannot hide forever, nobody can. You can no more hide from the cold than from covid, they both spread in the same ways and they're both roughly as infectious.

The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

Another one speaking common sense.

"Time to face facts. Most of us will catch covid eventually."

If this is a fact, please provide a peer reviewed reference. "
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Your correct most of us won't catch it ever, something I alluded to before when you quoted 3.2 million over 80s are going to get it and then said 20% of them is X amount hundreds of thousands deaths, utter nonsense, most people have NEVER had influenza despite dozens of epidemics occurring in there lifetime and zero restrictions during those epidemic outbreaks.

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over a year ago

"Time to face facts. Most of us will catch covid eventually."

If this is a fact, please provide a peer reviewed reference. "

You can't have it both ways... if everyone won't get it what are all the restrictions for?

'To slow it down' I'm sure you'll reply.. which means that....wait for it..... everyone will get it sooner or later!

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over a year ago

Feel free to say that when either you or your parents are choking to death on their bodily fluids because there's no enough life support machines or treatment centres."

And what would you say to the families of those who commit suicide because of the impact of the restrictions. Or the cancer patients diagnosed too late because of the restrictions.

There are more risks than covid. People are dying from LOTS of other, often preventable, causes BECAUSE of the covid restrictions.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

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And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants

You cannot hide forever, nobody can. You can no more hide from the cold than from covid, they both spread in the same ways and they're both roughly as infectious.

The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

Another one speaking common sense.

"Time to face facts. Most of us will catch covid eventually."

If this is a fact, please provide a peer reviewed reference. .

I can’t image why, with your research credentials and experience and knowledge of viral epidemics, you are not on the SAGE panel advising the government

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

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Feel free to say that when either you or your parents are choking to death on their bodily fluids because there's no enough life support machines or treatment centres.

And what would you say to the families of those who commit suicide because of the impact of the restrictions. Or the cancer patients diagnosed too late because of the restrictions.

There are more risks than covid. People are dying from LOTS of other, often preventable, causes BECAUSE of the covid restrictions."

suicide numbers are lower than previous years are they not?

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

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"Do you trust anybody?"

Definitely no politician or any so called scientist (scapegoat) from a never heard of before organisation called Sage.

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over a year ago

suicide numbers are lower than previous years are they not?"

There are no official figures as yet, however many mental health organizations are reporting steep increases in calls/referrals from/of people considered to be at risk of suicide or self harm.

Provisional data from ONS suggests a decrease during lockdown HOWEVER ONS also warn that figure is likely to be artificially low due to delays in inquests during lockdown & the length of time taken to deliver a determination of death by suicide.

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over a year ago

suicide numbers are lower than previous years are they not?

There are no official figures as yet, however many mental health organizations are reporting steep increases in calls/referrals from/of people considered to be at risk of suicide or self harm.

Someone did quote that 125 people had taken their lives one particular week. I did some research and it turns out an average of 109 people per week end their lives in this tragic way.

Given that many commit suicide for reasons like financial loss, loss of a loved one, relationship issues... I would have expected it to be higher. Very very sad though

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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And they can do that whilst observing precautions such as social distancing and wearing masks as appropriate.

The alternative could lead to another 3 month shutdown which is not what anyone wants

You cannot hide forever, nobody can. You can no more hide from the cold than from covid, they both spread in the same ways and they're both roughly as infectious.

The ONLY real variable here is time. The longer we drag this out the more overall harm will be done ON TOP of the direct harm from covid.

Do we really want to destroy our society & economy on the hope that the 'magic bullet' will be found soon?

I don't.

This is simple nonsense!

. There is not a linear progression over time, irrespective of infection levels. Since the start of this epidemic we have improved treatment levels as well as increased treatment options, that improve survival rates as well as helping to sustain NHS resources for other priorities. If restrictions were to be lifted, it degrades service availabilities for all health issues and increases failure rates across the board. Escalating the penetration of the population infected also brings forward a higher volume of people who get fewer treatment options, as these will predictably increase over time. The time of year that someone gets this is likely to impact upon their potential damage from this too.

It doesn't make sense to impose this on others whilst it's relatively novel and at the worst seasonal period to get it, nor impose additional avoidable burden on health services that have to contend with other seasonal challenges.

Notwithstanding those significant reasons for suppression of infections, is that vaccines are increasingly likely as time passes. They would decrease risk and infection levels across the board. They would potentially give some measured confidence to the economy too, enhanced with increased population levels who remain in better health and alive.

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over a year ago

these the same scientists who said fat in food was bad when all the time they were being paid by sugar companies to produce false findings?

hmmmm.

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By *om girlCouple (FF)
over a year ago

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Not All Scientists are prodicting the same out come some saying where over the worst of it

Yes more people being infected but hospital addmission and death not high

But the Media doesnt rush to view their opinion because the government and broadcast dont give them the platforms to air it as often as they should

People sre being made to be frighten into thinking the worse to help them to do as they say

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Not All Scientists are prodicting the same out come some saying where over the worst of it

Yes more people being infected but hospital addmission and death not high

But the Media doesnt rush to view their opinion because the government and broadcast dont give them the platforms to air it as often as they should

People sre being made to be frighten into thinking the worse to help them to do as they say

You've seen then doubling of patients in hospitals, deaths, patients on ventilators yesterday?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Time to face facts. Most of us will catch covid eventually."

If this is a fact, please provide a peer reviewed reference.

You can't have it both ways... if everyone won't get it what are all the restrictions for?

'To slow it down' I'm sure you'll reply.. which means that....wait for it..... everyone will get it sooner or later!

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Lots won't get it though, I know 3 people that have had it and didn't pass it on to they're spouses despite living with them, having sex with them, sharing plates and cups and sleeping in the same bad.

These things have a life and death cycle like we all do.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

We have a fear based narrative being peddled by government to terrify people into submission and compliance.

It's worrying how people are just laying down and accepting this.

Tragic.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"We have a fear based narrative being peddled by government to terrify people into submission and compliance.

It's worrying how people are just laying down and accepting this.

Tragic.

Really ?

And there's overwhelming evidence of course

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"We have a fear based narrative being peddled by government to terrify people into submission and compliance.

It's worrying how people are just laying down and accepting this.

Tragic.

You're not complying with the rules to help to protect others?

People want to sustain their health and well-being, as well as that of others. In the absence of everyone being an expert, being left in a free for all system, where you make your own rules, people follow the sometimes simple messages from those in authority, for a short period. People haven't stopped questionning and criticism, with our leader faring amongst the worst in the world, in global surveys.

Distancing, earlier pub etc closures, social group size limits etc, are largely small concessions for people with social-conscience and morals.

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By *estialuvWoman
over a year ago

Chester

Well Valance our chief scientific Adviser has £600 000 shares in the vaccine company we are told is going to most likely prove to be the best. Conflict of interest? Damn right!!!

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"We have a fear based narrative being peddled by government to terrify people into submission and compliance.

It's worrying how people are just laying down and accepting this.

Tragic.

You're not complying with the rules to help to protect others?

Distancing, earlier pub etc closures, social group size limits etc, are largely small concessions for people with social-conscience and morals. "

You can bang on all you like. My opinion will not change.

It is a ridiculously, overblown & disproportionate reaction to the level of threat we face.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"We have a fear based narrative being peddled by government to terrify people into submission and compliance.

It's worrying how people are just laying down and accepting this.

Tragic.

You're not complying with the rules to help to protect others?

Distancing, earlier pub etc closures, social group size limits etc, are largely small concessions for people with social-conscience and morals.

You can bang on all you like. My opinion will not change.

It is a ridiculously, overblown & disproportionate reaction to the level of threat we face. "

You can call it banging on but you don't answer the questions, despite your banging on

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"We have a fear based narrative being peddled by government to terrify people into submission and compliance.

It's worrying how people are just laying down and accepting this.

Tragic.

You're not complying with the rules to help to protect others?

Distancing, earlier pub etc closures, social group size limits etc, are largely small concessions for people with social-conscience and morals.

You can bang on all you like. My opinion will not change.

It is a ridiculously, overblown & disproportionate reaction to the level of threat we face. "

And thanks to you and others like you for having that opinion.

The rest of us who are not selfish and self centered listen to the recommendations, wash our hands and try not to infect others so that hopefully soon you will be able to enjoy your freedom.

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By *armer66Man
over a year ago

Perth

My personal veiw is that for reasons unknown it's been hiped up out of proportion. I had the virus in February, but not seriously enough to be hospitalised. But then again they didn't decide it was caronaviris at that point . The statistics the noravirus and flu season dwarf corona virus, but they did ruin everyone's life's then.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

"We have a fear based narrative being peddled by government to terrify people into submission and compliance.

It's worrying how people are just laying down and accepting this.

Tragic.

You're not complying with the rules to help to protect others?

Distancing, earlier pub etc closures, social group size limits etc, are largely small concessions for people with social-conscience and morals.

You can bang on all you like. My opinion will not change.

It is a ridiculously, overblown & disproportionate reaction to the level of threat we face.

And thanks to you and others like you for having that opinion.

The rest of us who are not selfish and self centered listen to the recommendations, wash our hands and try not to infect others so that hopefully soon you will be able to enjoy your freedom.

Opinions don't spread the virus

I don't agree with many decisions being made as I think we need to try and get the economy moving. But I wear my mask and socially distance like we are advised, probably more so than some people pretending they do but still go for family get togethers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have a fear based narrative being peddled by government to terrify people into submission and compliance.

It's worrying how people are just laying down and accepting this.

Tragic.

You're not complying with the rules to help to protect others?

Distancing, earlier pub etc closures, social group size limits etc, are largely small concessions for people with social-conscience and morals.

You can bang on all you like. My opinion will not change.

It is a ridiculously, overblown & disproportionate reaction to the level of threat we face.

And thanks to you and others like you for having that opinion.

The rest of us who are not selfish and self centered listen to the recommendations, wash our hands and try not to infect others so that hopefully soon you will be able to enjoy your freedom.

Opinions don't spread the virus

Ah well that's different. You're one of the people who doesn’t agree with restrictions but doesn’t enjoy them.

Well here's news for all the rebels out there. NONE of us enjoy restrictions. And I don't agree with them either, not because they are too tight, because I'm all for a PROPER lockdown and the virus over with. But nonetheless am doing my bit as best I can.

If we could bitch and moan the virus to death it would have died on day one.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"My personal veiw is that for reasons unknown it's been hiped up out of proportion. I had the virus in February, but not seriously enough to be hospitalised. But then again they didn't decide it was caronaviris at that point . The statistics the noravirus and flu season dwarf corona virus, but they did ruin everyone's life's then."

Aren't you lucky, maybe that will console my neighbour who lost her brother and couldn't visit him when he was taken to hospital.

Glad your ok though

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