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"And what if your not in receipt of benefits? You get no £500 if you have to isolate with no pay" This. | |||
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"And what if your not in receipt of benefits? You get no £500 if you have to isolate with no pay" This !! It should be everyone who works can claim it if needed | |||
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"The money should be paid very quickly to very poor people, who will often be living hand to mouth, won't have the luxury of monthly bills but will need to feed money into overpriced prepayment gas and electricity meters and perhaps can't afford many things that others don't even think about. It should be a minimum of furlough pay, employers must provide proof that they cannot work from home on full pay and that their employment is not in jeopardy. Full pay should be the norm. The people who must isolate are our biggest opportunith to stop the virus spreadingm. If we don't treat it for the luxury that the opportunity provides, we are clearly stupid. All credit to Andy Burnham and other Mayors in the north, for pressing the government for months to give money to allow people to afford to isolate. Local resources can be focused where we know people need care and support. People are currently frightened to admit that they have the infection as it means that they may not be able to feed kids and could now be evicted if they can't pay rent. " We dont get working benefits but we as a family can't afford to self isolate. | |||
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"The money should be paid very quickly to very poor people, who will often be living hand to mouth, won't have the luxury of monthly bills but will need to feed money into overpriced prepayment gas and electricity meters and perhaps can't afford many things that others don't even think about. It should be a minimum of furlough pay, employers must provide proof that they cannot work from home on full pay and that their employment is not in jeopardy. Full pay should be the norm. The people who must isolate are our biggest opportunith to stop the virus spreadingm. If we don't treat it for the luxury that the opportunity provides, we are clearly stupid. All credit to Andy Burnham and other Mayors in the north, for pressing the government for months to give money to allow people to afford to isolate. Local resources can be focused where we know people need care and support. People are currently frightened to admit that they have the infection as it means that they may not be able to feed kids and could now be evicted if they can't pay rent. " Great post, again... | |||
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"I thought this thread was going to be about some scam re TnT wanting payment for the tests "Click bait  | |||
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"A couple of weeks ago - 3 days after she’d started back at school - my daughter was sent home as she was coughing. I work in retail on minimum wage. It took 2 days of constantly going online at the recommended times (they seem to release appointments in batches but they go within minutes) to get a test - then we had to wait a further 2 days for the results - which were negative as I knew they would be. I had to have 4 days off work unpaid. I thought I’d at least get SSP as I’d no choice but to stay off work with her - but I didn’t. I’m now overdrawn and it’ll take me months to make that money up. I’m just praying she doesn’t get sent home from school again. "Sorry to hear that. | |||
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"A couple of weeks ago - 3 days after she’d started back at school - my daughter was sent home as she was coughing. I work in retail on minimum wage. It took 2 days of constantly going online at the recommended times (they seem to release appointments in batches but they go within minutes) to get a test - then we had to wait a further 2 days for the results - which were negative as I knew they would be. I had to have 4 days off work unpaid. I thought I’d at least get SSP as I’d no choice but to stay off work with her - but I didn’t. I’m now overdrawn and it’ll take me months to make that money up. I’m just praying she doesn’t get sent home from school again.
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"A couple of weeks ago - 3 days after she’d started back at school - my daughter was sent home as she was coughing. I work in retail on minimum wage. It took 2 days of constantly going online at the recommended times (they seem to release appointments in batches but they go within minutes) to get a test - then we had to wait a further 2 days for the results - which were negative as I knew they would be. I had to have 4 days off work unpaid. I thought I’d at least get SSP as I’d no choice but to stay off work with her - but I didn’t. I’m now overdrawn and it’ll take me months to make that money up. I’m just praying she doesn’t get sent home from school again.
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"A couple of weeks ago - 3 days after she’d started back at school - my daughter was sent home as she was coughing. I work in retail on minimum wage. It took 2 days of constantly going online at the recommended times (they seem to release appointments in batches but they go within minutes) to get a test - then we had to wait a further 2 days for the results - which were negative as I knew they would be. I had to have 4 days off work unpaid. I thought I’d at least get SSP as I’d no choice but to stay off work with her - but I didn’t. I’m now overdrawn and it’ll take me months to make that money up. I’m just praying she doesn’t get sent home from school again.
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"Receipt of the £500 should be means tested. Here the kid should stay at home if 1 major symptom is evident or 2 minor ones. Testing results also come through quicker than 2 days if you are set up into he National Health system. Track and trace capacity is there but not for an explosion of infections. App is already launched but not enough have downloaded it for it to be useful enough. Next wave is coming I am afraid everywhere in Europe. Just coming to us at different times. Stay safe all."  | |||
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"a really simple fast effective way to do this would have been get the employer to pay you the money alongside ssp then claim it back the way furlough works... your work were already expecting to pay you for work so can afford it at the time, you dont wait longer than normal wage timeline for the money, the mechanisms for payment are already there, the admin for workplaces only needs slightly tweaked and anyone only receiving ssp would be entitled rather than just people who receive a benefit " You always speak so much sense. | |||
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"The money should be paid very quickly to very poor people, who will often be living hand to mouth, won't have the luxury of monthly bills but will need to feed money into overpriced prepayment gas and electricity meters and perhaps can't afford many things that others don't even think about. It should be a minimum of furlough pay, employers must provide proof that they cannot work from home on full pay and that their employment is not in jeopardy. Full pay should be the norm. The people who must isolate are our biggest opportunith to stop the virus spreadingm. If we don't treat it for the luxury that the opportunity provides, we are clearly stupid. All credit to Andy Burnham and other Mayors in the north, for pressing the government for months to give money to allow people to afford to isolate. Local resources can be focused where we know people need care and support. People are currently frightened to admit that they have the infection as it means that they may not be able to feed kids and could now be evicted if they can't pay rent. We dont get working benefits but we as a family can't afford to self isolate." I think how I perceive how it should be, ss I outlined the details overall, is that it should be assumed to be for everyone, though people wouldn't have to claim it. | |||
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"The money should be paid very quickly to very poor people, who will often be living hand to mouth, won't have the luxury of monthly bills but will need to feed money into overpriced prepayment gas and electricity meters and perhaps can't afford many things that others don't even think about. It should be a minimum of furlough pay, employers must provide proof that they cannot work from home on full pay and that their employment is not in jeopardy. Full pay should be the norm. The people who must isolate are our biggest opportunith to stop the virus spreadingm. If we don't treat it for the luxury that the opportunity provides, we are clearly stupid. All credit to Andy Burnham and other Mayors in the north, for pressing the government for months to give money to allow people to afford to isolate. Local resources can be focused where we know people need care and support. People are currently frightened to admit that they have the infection as it means that they may not be able to feed kids and could now be evicted if they can't pay rent. Great post, again..." Thanks | |||
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"a really simple fast effective way to do this would have been get the employer to pay you the money alongside ssp then claim it back the way furlough works... your work were already expecting to pay you for work so can afford it at the time, you dont wait longer than normal wage timeline for the money, the mechanisms for payment are already there, the admin for workplaces only needs slightly tweaked and anyone only receiving ssp would be entitled rather than just people who receive a benefit " I'd go with that as did not get furlough so as yet not cost the government. | |||
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"The money should be paid very quickly to very poor people, who will often be living hand to mouth, won't have the luxury of monthly bills but will need to feed money into overpriced prepayment gas and electricity meters and perhaps can't afford many things that others don't even think about. It should be a minimum of furlough pay, employers must provide proof that they cannot work from home on full pay and that their employment is not in jeopardy. Full pay should be the norm. The people who must isolate are our biggest opportunith to stop the virus spreadingm. If we don't treat it for the luxury that the opportunity provides, we are clearly stupid. All credit to Andy Burnham and other Mayors in the north, for pressing the government for months to give money to allow people to afford to isolate. Local resources can be focused where we know people need care and support. People are currently frightened to admit that they have the infection as it means that they may not be able to feed kids and could now be evicted if they can't pay rent. We dont get working benefits but we as a family can't afford to self isolate." This is one of problems with the benefit system at the moment. Some families on benefits are better off on benefits than in work, particularly if they have 2 or more children (but that is a whole other thread) | |||
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"The money should be paid very quickly to very poor people, who will often be living hand to mouth, won't have the luxury of monthly bills but will need to feed money into overpriced prepayment gas and electricity meters and perhaps can't afford many things that others don't even think about. It should be a minimum of furlough pay, employers must provide proof that they cannot work from home on full pay and that their employment is not in jeopardy. Full pay should be the norm. The people who must isolate are our biggest opportunith to stop the virus spreadingm. If we don't treat it for the luxury that the opportunity provides, we are clearly stupid. All credit to Andy Burnham and other Mayors in the north, for pressing the government for months to give money to allow people to afford to isolate. Local resources can be focused where we know people need care and support. People are currently frightened to admit that they have the infection as it means that they may not be able to feed kids and could now be evicted if they can't pay rent. We dont get working benefits but we as a family can't afford to self isolate. This is one of problems with the benefit system at the moment. Some families on benefits are better off on benefits than in work, particularly if they have 2 or more children (but that is a whole other thread)" Urn no if a family has more than 2 children they dont benefits for any children after 2. | |||
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"Its for 4 million people who are working and in receipt of uc or tax credits, this generally is single parents with kids who may not receive ssp as they are working part time/self employed. So yes it is good" Your wrong, just Google the tax credit system, you can earn a pretty decent wage and still claim tax credits if you family situation allows. It really is an eye opener just how much and who is eligible. It's a lot more people than everyone believes. Working with children too people can earn over 30k and still get tax credits. | |||
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"Pays not to work these days" All of these people will be working on shite wages..no holidays as zero hours and those on benefits will be working but on shitier wages still. I doubt you will see many of then moaning that their exotic holiday has been cancelled as they really do live hand to mouth. And let's be honest most of them got no furlough. And what they are getting for 2 weeks is just 10% of what some were getting of furlough. Yes they do work  | |||
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"Pays not to work these days" It's generally a really tough system that is very harsh for people, though the government upped temporarily the amount paid to new claimants during the epidemic. In any event, divide and conquer just creates a less healthy and supportive society. In this instance, the government are finally paying a little for some people who have to quarantine. It probably should be more and something paid to all. | |||
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"A couple of weeks ago - 3 days after she’d started back at school - my daughter was sent home as she was coughing. I work in retail on minimum wage. It took 2 days of constantly going online at the recommended times (they seem to release appointments in batches but they go within minutes) to get a test - then we had to wait a further 2 days for the results - which were negative as I knew they would be. I had to have 4 days off work unpaid. I thought I’d at least get SSP as I’d no choice but to stay off work with her - but I didn’t. I’m now overdrawn and it’ll take me months to make that money up. I’m just praying she doesn’t get sent home from school again. "Just had the same thing happen to us. We’re now short of a weeks wages. That’s only going to encourage us to ignore the advice to self isolate next time because we can’t afford the time off unpaid which in effect could potentially spread the virus if we were infected! | |||
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"a really simple fast effective way to do this would have been get the employer to pay you the money alongside ssp then claim it back the way furlough works... your work were already expecting to pay you for work so can afford it at the time, you dont wait longer than normal wage timeline for the money, the mechanisms for payment are already there, the admin for workplaces only needs slightly tweaked and anyone only receiving ssp would be entitled rather than just people who receive a benefit " Wouldn’t help those of us who are self employed though | |||
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"The money should be paid very quickly to very poor people, who will often be living hand to mouth, won't have the luxury of monthly bills but will need to feed money into overpriced prepayment gas and electricity meters and perhaps can't afford many things that others don't even think about. It should be a minimum of furlough pay, employers must provide proof that they cannot work from home on full pay and that their employment is not in jeopardy. Full pay should be the norm. The people who must isolate are our biggest opportunith to stop the virus spreadingm. If we don't treat it for the luxury that the opportunity provides, we are clearly stupid. All credit to Andy Burnham and other Mayors in the north, for pressing the government for months to give money to allow people to afford to isolate. Local resources can be focused where we know people need care and support. People are currently frightened to admit that they have the infection as it means that they may not be able to feed kids and could now be evicted if they can't pay rent. We dont get working benefits but we as a family can't afford to self isolate. This is one of problems with the benefit system at the moment. Some families on benefits are better off on benefits than in work, particularly if they have 2 or more children (but that is a whole other thread) Urn no if a family has more than 2 children they dont benefits for any children after 2. " Ok then, correction - 'those with 2 children' | |||
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"a really simple fast effective way to do this would have been get the employer to pay you the money alongside ssp then claim it back the way furlough works... your work were already expecting to pay you for work so can afford it at the time, you dont wait longer than normal wage timeline for the money, the mechanisms for payment are already there, the admin for workplaces only needs slightly tweaked and anyone only receiving ssp would be entitled rather than just people who receive a benefit Wouldn’t help those of us who are self employed though "im assuming people self employed are already left out of the loop anyway since its benefits based but i might be wrong | |||
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"Pays not to work these days All of these people will be working on shite wages..no holidays as zero hours and those on benefits will be working but on shitier wages still. I doubt you will see many of then moaning that their exotic holiday has been cancelled as they really do live hand to mouth. And let's be honest most of them got no furlough. And what they are getting for 2 weeks is just 10% of what some were getting of furlough. Yes they do work "£500 for 2 weeks is just 10% of what people were getting on furlough???? is my maths or memory way off because my understanding was furlough was capped at £2500 per month before tax so take home of £1600 approx (allowing for average tax, NI, mandatory pension contributions) so £500 for 14 days vs £1600 for 30/31 ... not quite 10% is it | |||
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"Pays not to work these days All of these people will be working on shite wages..no holidays as zero hours and those on benefits will be working but on shitier wages still. I doubt you will see many of then moaning that their exotic holiday has been cancelled as they really do live hand to mouth. And let's be honest most of them got no furlough. And what they are getting for 2 weeks is just 10% of what some were getting of furlough. Yes they do work
£500 for 2 weeks is just 10% of what people were getting on furlough????
is my maths or memory way off because my understanding was furlough was capped at £2500 per month before tax so take home of £1600 approx (allowing for average tax, NI, mandatory pension contributions)
so £500 for 14 days vs £1600 for 30/31 ... not quite 10% is it "Well my maths was on £2500 per week as a maximum. So if I got months and weeks wrong that would explain that...you sure it was per month? | |||
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"Pays not to work these days All of these people will be working on shite wages..no holidays as zero hours and those on benefits will be working but on shitier wages still. I doubt you will see many of then moaning that their exotic holiday has been cancelled as they really do live hand to mouth. And let's be honest most of them got no furlough. And what they are getting for 2 weeks is just 10% of what some were getting of furlough. Yes they do work
£500 for 2 weeks is just 10% of what people were getting on furlough????
is my maths or memory way off because my understanding was furlough was capped at £2500 per month before tax so take home of £1600 approx (allowing for average tax, NI, mandatory pension contributions)
so £500 for 14 days vs £1600 for 30/31 ... not quite 10% is it "It's still insufficient, given the supposed importance of people not going out, including to work. The cost of living during winter is higher than other times, due to heating costs, for example. There is justification for paying at above the maximum furlough rate. Prepayment meters demand immediate money to power and heat homes and their rates are not cheap, nor will they give you some power, whilst waiting for a slow payment from the government. Same week payments should be standard. | |||
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"Its for 4 million people who are working and in receipt of uc or tax credits, this generally is single parents with kids who may not receive ssp as they are working part time/self employed. So yes it is good" Will be an application based process with strict criteria to be met to get the £500 think it comes into effect from 28th Sept Along with massive fines for those told to issolate but are found not to have. | |||
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"Everybody who works full time should be entitled, and pro rated dependant on hours they work....." if your work already have a policy to pay full sick pay i dont see why you should get additional on top | |||
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"Everybody who works full time should be entitled, and pro rated dependant on hours they work..... if your work already have a policy to pay full sick pay i dont see why you should get additional on top " I would get full pay, but some workers would only get sick pay which is not £500 for the two weeks....some are just over the limit to get any benefits, so why should they not be entitled to the £500.00.... | |||
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"Everybody who works full time should be entitled, and pro rated dependant on hours they work..... if your work already have a policy to pay full sick pay i dont see why you should get additional on top " Do such insurance policies cover self isolation due to symptomless but positively tested CV19? | |||
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"Everybody who works full time should be entitled, and pro rated dependant on hours they work..... if your work already have a policy to pay full sick pay i dont see why you should get additional on top I would get full pay, but some workers would only get sick pay which is not £500 for the two weeks....some are just over the limit to get any benefits, so why should they not be entitled to the £500.00...." i think anyone stuck on only ssp should be entitled ... ive said that further up | |||
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"I haven’t looked at the ins and outs but I am for a scheme that pays people with Covid to isolate. What saddens me is the folk who don’t have the cash reserves to survive a few weeks without an income, they should take a serious look at their priorities... especially those who drink like a fish, smoke like a chimney and shop and holiday like a Kardashian. "Yes, also true......lots live way beyond what they can comfortably afford, and then when the rainy day comes are bloody knackered. | |||
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"Everybody who works full time should be entitled, and pro rated dependant on hours they work..... if your work already have a policy to pay full sick pay i dont see why you should get additional on top Do such insurance policies cover self isolation due to symptomless but positively tested CV19? " i was more thinking the companies sick pay policy rather than a separate insurance one for example the company i work for pay up to 3 months full pay then another 3 half ... to give me an additional payment on top for 2 week quarantine would seem unfair and unnecessary | |||
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"Everybody who works full time should be entitled, and pro rated dependant on hours they work..... if your work already have a policy to pay full sick pay i dont see why you should get additional on top I would get full pay, but some workers would only get sick pay which is not £500 for the two weeks....some are just over the limit to get any benefits, so why should they not be entitled to the £500.00.... i think anyone stuck on only ssp should be entitled ... ive said that further up " | |||
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"Everybody who works full time should be entitled, and pro rated dependant on hours they work..... if your work already have a policy to pay full sick pay i dont see why you should get additional on top Do such insurance policies cover self isolation due to symptomless but positively tested CV19? i was more thinking the companies sick pay policy rather than a separate insurance one for example the company i work for pay up to 3 months full pay then another 3 half ... to give me an additional payment on top for 2 week quarantine would seem unfair and unnecessary " Wow I wish I worked for your company with sick conditions like that. | |||
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"Everybody who works full time should be entitled, and pro rated dependant on hours they work..... if your work already have a policy to pay full sick pay i dont see why you should get additional on top Do such insurance policies cover self isolation due to symptomless but positively tested CV19? i was more thinking the companies sick pay policy rather than a separate insurance one for example the company i work for pay up to 3 months full pay then another 3 half ... to give me an additional payment on top for 2 week quarantine would seem unfair and unnecessary Wow I wish I worked for your company with sick conditions like that." yep im fortunate to have a great safety net at my back if god forbid i ever ended up with a serious illness , also lucky to work with a great team so we don’t have folk abusing it either its swings and roundabouts i guess in that on the other side overtime payments etc dont exist but that is sometimes expected of you .... give a little get a little i guess i think to be honest if you did a survey of salaried office based jobs full pay on sick wouldn't actually be that uncommon ... unfortunately its the jobs where you tend to be paid hourly or daily and ypu cant work from home will be most likely to be the companies that wouldnt pay you for isolation as bums on seats so to speak is what makes them money retail and construction etc | |||
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"Everybody who works full time should be entitled, and pro rated dependant on hours they work..... if your work already have a policy to pay full sick pay i dont see why you should get additional on top Do such insurance policies cover self isolation due to symptomless but positively tested CV19? i was more thinking the companies sick pay policy rather than a separate insurance one for example the company i work for pay up to 3 months full pay then another 3 half ... to give me an additional payment on top for 2 week quarantine would seem unfair and unnecessary Wow I wish I worked for your company with sick conditions like that. yep im fortunate to have a great safety net at my back if god forbid i ever ended up with a serious illness , also lucky to work with a great team so we don’t have folk abusing it either its swings and roundabouts i guess in that on the other side overtime payments etc dont exist but that is sometimes expected of you .... give a little get a little i guess i think to be honest if you did a survey of salaried office based jobs full pay on sick wouldn't actually be that uncommon ... unfortunately its the jobs where you tend to be paid hourly or daily and ypu cant work from home will be most likely to be the companies that wouldnt pay you for isolation as bums on seats so to speak is what makes them money retail and construction etc "Construction for me and ssp is all I would get. | |||
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"I work as a cleaner so on low income me and another cleaner was talking about it a few times saying that we can't afford to be off.. I am at the moment having to quarantine for 14 days after coming back from Bulgaria.. But I have enough holidays to use up and I don't plan to go anywhere this year now.. But it would have been awful even though I knew what was at stake and could have saved a bit of money to cover me, but if you get covid you can't plan anything and that's it you off work...so year getting the £500 is a great help and very welcome.. But I am sure someone will try and abuse that and claim that have the virus " It's triggered by official notification. £500 is a miniscule amount of money, compared to what it's costing the country to deal with this, certainly against £billions in furlough fraud by companies that's not going to be tracked and recovered. It's much too small an amount to be paid to the lowest earners and will cause many infections to continue to spread around. The Chancellor should have set aside money for businesses to pay staff at full or 80% pay, where the NHS tests show the necessity to isolate. Probably a fraction of 1% that he committed to spending yesterday but as wise. | |||
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"The payment should be for those that work If your on benefits ypu wouldnt be working so nothing changes I csnt afford to be off work and recieve £95 sickness benifits And if i need go doctors its £9 a prescriptions " Many people are on in-work benefits, millions? With the growth in zero hours contracts, many have no resilience and the taxpayers fund businesses who operate this way The £500 isn't a well-being gift to those who are unemployed. Consider the cost of rent and prepayment meter energy costs during winter, for someone trying to support a family. | |||
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"Isn't 500 quid more than what you could get on benefits for two weeks, if it is then it would just encourage the catching of the virus. If the children catch it at different times, then it will add up. I'm sure most average families could survive on 250 a week unless I am missing something. Is this sum is in addition to existing benefits as well. Where do I sign up. " Working benefits. Not people just claiming benefits. | |||
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