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"I think it’s clear some of society can’t follow the rules. So perhaps it’s time to just that. " Why should we give in to the minority | |||
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"I think it’s clear some of society can’t follow the rules. So perhaps it’s time to just that. Why should we give in to the minority " I don’t think it’s about giving in. I’m happy to abide by any lockdown measures that’s not an issue for me. But it’s clear to see that it’s being undermined by small sections of society. I saw it for myself over the weekend. All the measures and hard work from the lockdown are seeming for nothing. Even the supermarket in the next town is a free for all again. And it will continue to be. Christmas will be the acid test. | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the risks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never." Tbh there are very few who think there will be an effective vaccine any time soon on either side of the debate.. Everything they the government might wish to change, if they did listen to all the scientific communities different views instead of sidelining those they don't want to hear has to be done on the basis that people trust them.. And trust is in short supply at present.. | |||
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"I think it’s clear some of society can’t follow the rules. So perhaps it’s time to just that. " Our local pub is closed because someone couldn’t work out how long they needed to isolate after a positive test. The problem is that the British people are too stupid. | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the risks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never. Tbh there are very few who think there will be an effective vaccine any time soon on either side of the debate.. Everything they the government might wish to change, if they did listen to all the scientific communities different views instead of sidelining those they don't want to hear has to be done on the basis that people trust them.. And trust is in short supply at present.." Which scientific communities are they sidelining? I thought valance was the chief and he is making a statement today along with whitty are these advisors not the ones you want to hear? | |||
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"So it's not just me.... Now who's going to be first to hurl insults at those scientists?"  | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the risks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never. Tbh there are very few who think there will be an effective vaccine any time soon on either side of the debate.. Everything they the government might wish to change, if they did listen to all the scientific communities different views instead of sidelining those they don't want to hear has to be done on the basis that people trust them.. And trust is in short supply at present..Which scientific communities are they sidelining? I thought valance was the chief and he is making a statement today along with whitty are these advisors not the ones you want to hear?" They've given advice the government are choosing not to listen too. Mainly smaller class sizes and close all pubs and restaurants. Whitty also wants a two week national lockdown. | |||
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"So it's not just me.... Now who's going to be first to hurl insults at those scientists?" Probably simon dolan,piers corbyn and kate shemirani. | |||
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"Interesting read... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649" It’s an interesting read but it needs to be read intelligently. Those who have ears to hear... | |||
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"I've been saying this for months. However, I will offset this by saying we need to see how it reacts with influenza first before making such decisions. " “...... , I will offset this by saying we need to see how it reacts with influenza first before making such decisions....” ———————- This
And there is still a lot we need to see and learn about the virus - with regards to immunity etc etc.
The virus is new and has been around for less than a year, and there is no scientist out there who can tell us everything about it.
You can start learning to live with something when you know enough about it. | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the risks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never. Tbh there are very few who think there will be an effective vaccine any time soon on either side of the debate.. Everything they the government might wish to change, if they did listen to all the scientific communities different views instead of sidelining those they don't want to hear has to be done on the basis that people trust them.. And trust is in short supply at present..Which scientific communities are they sidelining? I thought valance was the chief and he is making a statement today along with whitty are these advisors not the ones you want to hear?" Your assumption about who I might want to hear, during the pandemic there have been two that I recall who were on the then daily briefings.. One was Van Tam and the other a woman whose name I don't remember.. Both were put to one side so all I'm saying is there are others who may well be part of the behind the scenes debate and advising government .. Am not in any way shape or form talking about the anti vaxer types at the demo in London.. | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the risks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never." 40 thousand people die a year in the Uk from the FLU, the Flu is a virus that we have lived a normal life with so it won’t be too long before we will have to get on with life and live with this virus . | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the risks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never. 40 thousand people die a year in the Uk from the FLU, the Flu is a virus that we have lived a normal life with so it won’t be too long before we will have to get on with life and live with this virus . " I think it's coming.. Like any major change in public policies because if the adversarial system the government in place will do so slowly if that's the decision.. Sometimes it's better to just do it albeit with the right safeguards but can see the caution with this issue if they are even considering it.. | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the risks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never. 40 thousand people die a year in the Uk from the FLU, the Flu is a virus that we have lived a normal life with so it won’t be too long before we will have to get on with life and live with this virus . " "....40 thousand people die a year in the Uk from the FLU..." ----------------------------- I don't see any figures which confirm that. Highest annual figures I've seen so far is 28 thousand. I agree with your second point though, when you say: *"..the Flu is a virus that we have lived a normal life with..."* However, with the flu we know: -How many people die from it in a year - Who it affects and how it affects people -What time of the year it is prevalent -How long immunity lasts for -etc etc So, we can learn to live with a virus when we know all or most of those details above. Covid 19 has been around for less than a year. Until we have more info about it like we do with the flu, we need to keep treading carefully. | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the risks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never. 40 thousand people die a year in the Uk from the FLU, the Flu is a virus that we have lived a normal life with so it won’t be too long before we will have to get on with life and live with this virus . "....40 thousand people die a year in the Uk from the FLU..." ----------------------------- I don't see any figures which confirm that. Highest annual figures I've seen so far is 28 thousand. I agree with your second point though, when you say: *"..the Flu is a virus that we have lived a normal life with..."* However, with the flu we know: -How many people die from it in a year - Who it affects and how it affects people -What time of the year it is prevalent -How long immunity lasts for -etc etc So, we can learn to live with a virus when we know all or most of those details above. Covid 19 has been around for less than a year. Until we have more info about it like we do with the flu, we need to keep treading carefully." . The only reason we know the answers to those questions is because it has infected people thru the ages,I don't think anybody in science think we should just abandon studying it or trying for a vaccine, what some of them are saying is it's almost impossible to suppress it to negligible levels for several years without bankrupting your economy and causing untold suffering to millions thru other means and illnesses. | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the rh hub isks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never. 40 thousand people die a year in the Uk from the FLU, the Flu is a virus that we have lived a normal life with so it won’t be too long before we will have to get on with life and live with this virus . "....40 thousand people die a year in the Uk from the FLU..." ----------------------------- I don't see any figures which confirm that. Highest annual figures I've seen so far is 28 thousand. I agree with your second point though, when you say: *"..the Flu is a virus that we have lived a normal life with..."* However, with the flu we know: -How many people die from it in a year - Who it affects and how it affects people -What time of the year it is prevalent -How long immunity lasts for -etc etc So, we can learn to live with a virus when we know all or most of those details above. Covid 19 has been around for less than a year. Until we have more info about it like we do with the flu, we need to keep treading carefully.. The only reason we know the answers to those questions is because it has infected people thru the ages,I don't think anybody in science think we should just abandon studying it or trying for a vaccine, what some of them are saying is it's almost impossible to suppress it to negligible levels for several years without bankrupting your economy and causing untold suffering to millions thru other means and illnesses." “...... what some of them are saying is it's almost impossible to suppress it to negligible levels for several years...” ——————————- Neither me nor anyone else suggested that that we suppress it for several years. If you read my post above, I implied that we will have to learn to live with it. My emphasis is: that it is not yet time to do so with a virus that has been around for less than a year. We do not need several years to elapse before we start learning to live with it. We already have some treatment in the form of Dexamethasone. Plus an effective & efficient track & track system is how some countries in Asia have managed to get back to some form normalcy. Again that should not take ‘several years’ to achieve. | |||
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"It's the only way forward Glad somebody posted this - I was about to do so myself We have to balance the risks of normalising society with the long-term risks of continual lockdowns and restrictions on liberty. It's time at least, that we examined the options. No doubt these opinions will be jumped on by those of the "all lives matter" contingent on here, who seem to want us locked down till an effective vaccine is developed and we have all been vaccinated - which may be years or may even be never. 40 thousand people die a year in the Uk from the FLU, the Flu is a virus that we have lived a normal life with so it won’t be too long before we will have to get on with life and live with this virus . " As chris whitty said on average 7 thousand people die of flu a year in the uk. Since they have been recorded there was 1 year of 28 thousand but some years it is less than 2 thousand. These are all "with" flu deaths not of flu. Not that there is much difference. | |||
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"I wonder how many people see the phrase ‘we have to learn to live with the virus’ and assume it means that they can get back to doing what they were doing before COVID-19, and how many think that means some restrictions will need to remain in place so the most vulnerable can continue to live their lives as freely as possible?" If they did would that satisfy you? | |||
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