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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-breaking-self-isolation-to-be-made-illegal-in-bid-to-tackle-second-spike-12076577 But people on low pay will get a lump sum of £500 to encourage isolation " £500 to spend in the pub before 10.00!!!! | |||
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"There's too many disregarding their responsibility, the sanctions thus far have not been enough so can see why the ante gas been upped.." I agree it's a bit of carrot and stick...well the low wages get a carrot | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-breaking-self-isolation-to-be-made-illegal-in-bid-to-tackle-second-spike-12076577 But people on low pay will get a lump sum of £500 to encourage isolation £500 to spend in the pub before 10.00!!!!" That will be down to 9.00pm next week...you heard it here first... | |||
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"So low wage get £500 People isolating can't pay mortgage and lose the lot. Think my business is about to go to the wall will lose the lot." For 2 weeks? The low waged probably only get £250 per week when working on zero hour contracts....how much does your business pay you per week? | |||
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"They could double, triple or zero the fine because there's no way to enforce it, even the proposed wardens have no power of funds
Seems like another spout of hot air "It will be a criminal offence if the proposal goes through so it will be enforceable thats why they are introducing it. | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. " The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... | |||
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"So low wage get £500 People isolating can't pay mortgage and lose the lot. Think my business is about to go to the wall will lose the lot. For 2 weeks? The low waged probably only get £250 per week when working on zero hour contracts....how much does your business pay you per week?" Nothing and about to lay of 10 staff as no income for 6 months Would you like to tell them for me Don't know I can face them | |||
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"They could double, triple or zero the fine because there's no way to enforce it, even the proposed wardens have no power of funds
Seems like another spout of hot air
It will be a criminal offence if the proposal goes through so it will be enforceable thats why they are introducing it. "Excellent | |||
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"hmm and those on benefits were told that they would lose their benefits if they didnt get the vaccination too" What vaccination? Did we miss something | |||
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"not when the courts cant enforce the fine in the first place" So prey tell why they can't enforce it? | |||
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"So low wage get £500 People isolating can't pay mortgage and lose the lot. Think my business is about to go to the wall will lose the lot. For 2 weeks? The low waged probably only get £250 per week when working on zero hour contracts....how much does your business pay you per week? Nothing and about to lay of 10 staff as no income for 6 months Would you like to tell them for me Don't know I can face them " They might be on here and you've just told them... | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable..." By who though? | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-breaking-self-isolation-to-be-made-illegal-in-bid-to-tackle-second-spike-12076577 But people on low pay will get a lump sum of £500 to encourage isolation £500 to spend in the pub before 10.00!!!! That will be down to 9.00pm next week...you heard it here first..." So they go in the pub an hour earlier no problem | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? " Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-breaking-self-isolation-to-be-made-illegal-in-bid-to-tackle-second-spike-12076577 But people on low pay will get a lump sum of £500 to encourage isolation £500 to spend in the pub before 10.00!!!! That will be down to 9.00pm next week...you heard it here first...So they go in the pub an hour earlier no problem" But the only open at 8.00pm  | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door..." Someone was jailed in the isle of man for nipping to the shop on the way to isolate, they will appear in court next week to see what happens. A few people I know have been handed a hefty fine as well. | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door..." Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door..." If only it was that easy, the only plausible way would be to put the people in isolation on tag. | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee " If they advertised the jobs as self employed checkers to call and check on a list of addresses...paid them 2 hundred quid for everyone they caught. How many do you think would snap the job up? | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee If they advertised the jobs as self employed checkers to call and check on a list of addresses...paid them 2 hundred quid for everyone they caught. How many do you think would snap the job up?" Not sure if you can get blood out of a stone though, great idea but most who don't follow the law would sooner take some jail time than pay a fine | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee If they advertised the jobs as self employed checkers to call and check on a list of addresses...paid them 2 hundred quid for everyone they caught. How many do you think would snap the job up? Not sure if you can get blood out of a stone though, great idea but most who don't follow the law would sooner take some jail time than pay a fine" Maybe it would be your household goods...I dont really know but that £1000 will make the enforcement a lot easier to do it...and if they are following it up to make it possible to isolate for people who get bugger all normally. I for one are in favour of it. | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door..." Could that be a job for the COVID Marshalls, bit like the community wardens. Enough power to give you a fine for littering, not enough to be useful. | |||
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"Low wage earners get £500. Pensioners get nothing. How is that fair when a state pension is less than half of a 40 minimum wage" Why would a pensioner want to break isolation and go out to spread it? | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee If they advertised the jobs as self employed checkers to call and check on a list of addresses...paid them 2 hundred quid for everyone they caught. How many do you think would snap the job up? Not sure if you can get blood out of a stone though, great idea but most who don't follow the law would sooner take some jail time than pay a fine Maybe it would be your household goods...I dont really know but that £1000 will make the enforcement a lot easier to do it...and if they are following it up to make it possible to isolate for people who get bugger all normally. I for one are in favour of it." What if it was a 19 year old, who lives at home with parents and doesn't actually own any of the property inside that home? | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee If they advertised the jobs as self employed checkers to call and check on a list of addresses...paid them 2 hundred quid for everyone they caught. How many do you think would snap the job up? Not sure if you can get blood out of a stone though, great idea but most who don't follow the law would sooner take some jail time than pay a fine Maybe it would be your household goods...I dont really know but that £1000 will make the enforcement a lot easier to do it...and if they are following it up to make it possible to isolate for people who get bugger all normally. I for one are in favour of it. What if it was a 19 year old, who lives at home with parents and doesn't actually own any of the property inside that home? " He/ she can get a loan or credit card to cover that  | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee If they advertised the jobs as self employed checkers to call and check on a list of addresses...paid them 2 hundred quid for everyone they caught. How many do you think would snap the job up? Not sure if you can get blood out of a stone though, great idea but most who don't follow the law would sooner take some jail time than pay a fine Maybe it would be your household goods...I dont really know but that £1000 will make the enforcement a lot easier to do it...and if they are following it up to make it possible to isolate for people who get bugger all normally. I for one are in favour of it. What if it was a 19 year old, who lives at home with parents and doesn't actually own any of the property inside that home? " Come on your clutching at straws..ffs I'd lock the fecker up and if his parents aren't home when they should be isolating too...I'd take their goods...simples | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-breaking-self-isolation-to-be-made-illegal-in-bid-to-tackle-second-spike-12076577 But people on low pay will get a lump sum of £500 to encourage isolation " Threats and bribery. Does it get any worse? | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee If they advertised the jobs as self employed checkers to call and check on a list of addresses...paid them 2 hundred quid for everyone they caught. How many do you think would snap the job up? Not sure if you can get blood out of a stone though, great idea but most who don't follow the law would sooner take some jail time than pay a fine Maybe it would be your household goods...I dont really know but that £1000 will make the enforcement a lot easier to do it...and if they are following it up to make it possible to isolate for people who get bugger all normally. I for one are in favour of it. What if it was a 19 year old, who lives at home with parents and doesn't actually own any of the property inside that home? He/ she can get a loan or credit card to cover that "Lol good luck with that | |||
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"Problem is, how would you know anyone should be isolating? It's not as if there will be someone outside their house to check on them & if it was via mobile tracking, easy enough to leave it at home. Having said that, a decent fine might help focus the mind of some." Are you insane? Listen to yourself. You are supporting dictatorial government. Fuck them. | |||
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"not when the courts cant enforce the fine in the first place So prey tell why they can't enforce it?" There is a high court ruling that states that no man can act as judge in his own cause, so how can a judge fine you if he has an interest in the court??? And yes i have had many a fine stopped when i produced that little stinger in the tail at them | |||
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"The fines aren't enough in my opinion " Fines for what? Freedom? Fuck the government. These cunts are stealing out freedom. Fuck right off you fat tosser Johnson. Time for mass civil disobedience. This is insane. | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable..." Don't pay it . | |||
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"Low wage earners get £500. Pensioners get nothing. How is that fair when a state pension is less than half of a 40 minimum wage Why would a pensioner want to break isolation and go out to spread it?" For the same reason a none pensioner would | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door..." Christ all fucking mighty listen to you lot. You make nazi Germany sound normal. Some fuckin virus is no reason to steal our freedom. | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee If they advertised the jobs as self employed checkers to call and check on a list of addresses...paid them 2 hundred quid for everyone they caught. How many do you think would snap the job up? Not sure if you can get blood out of a stone though, great idea but most who don't follow the law would sooner take some jail time than pay a fine Maybe it would be your household goods...I dont really know but that £1000 will make the enforcement a lot easier to do it...and if they are following it up to make it possible to isolate for people who get bugger all normally. I for one are in favour of it. What if it was a 19 year old, who lives at home with parents and doesn't actually own any of the property inside that home? Come on your clutching at straws..ffs I'd lock the fecker up and if his parents aren't home when they should be isolating too...I'd take their goods...simples" We are clutching at loopholes but the straws are being grasped tightly by you. Your ideas gave us a chuckle at least  | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Christ all fucking mighty listen to you lot. You make nazi Germany sound normal. Some fuckin virus is no reason to steal our freedom. " Pssst you do know that wee kranky sturgeon monitors these forums don't you? | |||
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"hmm and those on benefits were told that they would lose their benefits if they didnt get the vaccination too" Come on now your just being silly spreading that sort of garbage. There is no vaccine. No program to roll it out. And if and when it does happen it will be those in care homes first. | |||
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"Covid Marshalls have no legal enforcement at all,this has already been quoted by government sources through their media department bbc." They were guidelines then this to become law...it makes a difference... | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-breaking-self-isolation-to-be-made-illegal-in-bid-to-tackle-second-spike-12076577 But people on low pay will get a lump sum of £500 to encourage isolation " Totally agree! | |||
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"not when the courts cant enforce the fine in the first place So prey tell why they can't enforce it?" I was talking to a police officer the other day. They are having 8 to 12 months delays in getting cases to court. So I hope you’re patient waiting for those courts to enforce any fines. | |||
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"not when the courts cant enforce the fine in the first place So prey tell why they can't enforce it? There is a high court ruling that states that no man can act as judge in his own cause, so how can a judge fine you if he has an interest in the court??? And yes i have had many a fine stopped when i produced that little stinger in the tail at them " you sound like a stand up guy ... and apparently gloatingly proud of if too maybe it would be a better use of your time to rethink the life choices that got you into multiple fine situations in the first place 
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"hmm and those on benefits were told that they would lose their benefits if they didnt get the vaccination too Come on now your just being silly spreading that sort of garbage. There is no vaccine. No program to roll it out. And if and when it does happen it will be those in care homes first. " | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Christ all fucking mighty listen to you lot. You make nazi Germany sound normal. Some fuckin virus is no reason to steal our freedom. " your freedom isnt being stolen, its being temporarily restricted for a 2 week period if you are high risk to spread a deadly virus | |||
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"Low wage earners get £500. Pensioners get nothing. How is that fair when a state pension is less than half of a 40 minimum wage Why would a pensioner want to break isolation and go out to spread it? For the same reason a none pensioner would" id assume the point is to stop people dodging isolation because they need to leave the house to make a wage you dont have to leave the house to collect a pension do you? | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Christ all fucking mighty listen to you lot. You make nazi Germany sound normal. Some fuckin virus is no reason to steal our freedom. your freedom isnt being stolen, its being temporarily restricted for a 2 week period if you are high risk to spread a deadly virus " I suppose it's the freedom to not be able to spread a deadly disease to other people? | |||
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"not when the courts cant enforce the fine in the first place So prey tell why they can't enforce it? There is a high court ruling that states that no man can act as judge in his own cause, so how can a judge fine you if he has an interest in the court??? And yes i have had many a fine stopped when i produced that little stinger in the tail at them you sound like a stand up guy ... and apparently gloatingly proud of if too maybe it would be a better use of your time to rethink the life choices that got you into multiple fine situations in the first place
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Christ all fucking mighty listen to you lot. You make nazi Germany sound normal. Some fuckin virus is no reason to steal our freedom. your freedom isnt being stolen, its being temporarily restricted for a 2 week period if you are high risk to spread a deadly virus I suppose it's the freedom to not be able to spread a deadly disease to other people?" well i guess that works a bit like human rights... they are kinda null and void if the purpose of the action is to remove someone elses ... for example its not your human right to go out and murder people (not saying spreading covid is direct murder just highlighting an example of where your rights dont always apply) | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Christ all fucking mighty listen to you lot. You make nazi Germany sound normal. Some fuckin virus is no reason to steal our freedom. your freedom isnt being stolen, its being temporarily restricted for a 2 week period if you are high risk to spread a deadly virus I suppose it's the freedom to not be able to spread a deadly disease to other people? well i guess that works a bit like human rights... they are kinda null and void if the purpose of the action is to remove someone elses ... for example its not your human right to go out and murder people (not saying spreading covid is direct murder just highlighting an example of where your rights dont always apply) " I was being a bit sarcastic tbf | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Christ all fucking mighty listen to you lot. You make nazi Germany sound normal. Some fuckin virus is no reason to steal our freedom. your freedom isnt being stolen, its being temporarily restricted for a 2 week period if you are high risk to spread a deadly virus I suppose it's the freedom to not be able to spread a deadly disease to other people? well i guess that works a bit like human rights... they are kinda null and void if the purpose of the action is to remove someone elses ... for example its not your human right to go out and murder people (not saying spreading covid is direct murder just highlighting an example of where your rights dont always apply) I was being a bit sarcastic tbf "i know... just pre-empting the person that comes along behind you and agrees with your post without the sarcasm ...some people seem to be genuinely that self absorbed that they would believe it was their right to infect people if they so choose | |||
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"hmm and those on benefits were told that they would lose their benefits if they didnt get the vaccination too" Really? Where was this stated? | |||
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"hmm and those on benefits were told that they would lose their benefits if they didnt get the vaccination too Really? Where was this stated? " I think it's quite the opposite...some on benefits get the £500 lump sum | |||
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"Low wage earners get £500. Pensioners get nothing. How is that fair when a state pension is less than half of a 40 minimum wage Why would a pensioner want to break isolation and go out to spread it? For the same reason a none pensioner would id assume the point is to stop people dodging isolation because they need to leave the house to make a wage you dont have to leave the house to collect a pension do you? " But if a pensioner is expected to live on £140 a week why can’t other groups be expected to live on the same amount? | |||
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"Low wage earners get £500. Pensioners get nothing. How is that fair when a state pension is less than half of a 40 minimum wage Why would a pensioner want to break isolation and go out to spread it? For the same reason a none pensioner would id assume the point is to stop people dodging isolation because they need to leave the house to make a wage you dont have to leave the house to collect a pension do you? But if a pensioner is expected to live on £140 a week why can’t other groups be expected to live on the same amount?" pensioners that still have housing costs earning only £140 a week don’t exist.. either you've already paid off your mortgage and don't have that lifestyle cost that a younger group are expected to have or its topped up with pension credits , council tax exemption, housing benefit, cold weather payments etc | |||
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"hmm and those on benefits were told that they would lose their benefits if they didnt get the vaccination too" What? No they haven't and we don't even have a vaccine. | |||
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"Low wage earners get £500. Pensioners get nothing. How is that fair when a state pension is less than half of a 40 minimum wage Why would a pensioner want to break isolation and go out to spread it? For the same reason a none pensioner would" Because a pensioner still has their income but the person that can't go to work gets nothing. Its rather simple. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-breaking-self-isolation-to-be-made-illegal-in-bid-to-tackle-second-spike-12076577 But people on low pay will get a lump sum of £500 to encourage isolation Threats and bribery. Does it get any worse?" It will get very much worse and by the sounds of most in this forum they can't wait for it... | |||
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"The fines aren't enough in my opinion Fines for what? Freedom? Fuck the government. These cunts are stealing out freedom. Fuck right off you fat tosser Johnson. Time for mass civil disobedience. This is insane." | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Christ all fucking mighty listen to you lot. You make nazi Germany sound normal. Some fuckin virus is no reason to steal our freedom. your freedom isnt being stolen, its being temporarily restricted for a 2 week period if you are high risk to spread a deadly virus I suppose it's the freedom to not be able to spread a deadly disease to other people?" Except it's not a deadly disease. Lol. Sheeple brainwashed by media. | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Christ all fucking mighty listen to you lot. You make nazi Germany sound normal. Some fuckin virus is no reason to steal our freedom. your freedom isnt being stolen, its being temporarily restricted for a 2 week period if you are high risk to spread a deadly virus I suppose it's the freedom to not be able to spread a deadly disease to other people? Except it's not a deadly disease. Lol. Sheeple brainwashed by media. " Unfortunately we cant put our heads in the sand and pretend it isn't deadly . I am only a porter in the hospital but at its height it was horrendous. Nothing to do with sheep just need to open your eyes and see the deaths for yourself . | |||
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"Most of you would do really well in the Hitler Yourh I often wonder if most of you are still furloughed sitting at home with nothing to do .... nothing better to do than scaremongering .. and before anyone starts spouting off I Know 6 people who had it ... was nothing worse than a head cold and yes people die but I’m afraid we are all dying ... 99 per cent of us recover from it .... "Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid  | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid "No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!! | |||
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"The big question would be proving in court that you have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive for covid 19....whats to stop someone who tests giving a list of people they say that theyve been in close contact with even if they haven't out of spite ? how can it be proven you was in close contact ? ? Unless your on an aircraft which has a proven method of showing your in close contact. If your on a bus or train how do they prove it ? Its supposedly in excess of 15 minutes at a distance of approx 1m or in a confined space ie the same room...if there is cctv it could possibly be proven. But highly unlikely. So if you contest the fine or isolation in courts as is your right in the UK. then its highly unlikely that the prosecution could win..as 90% of cases would be on heresay as in one person's word against another in court it needs to beyond reasonable doubt..more big brother trying to control the people and setting in place laws that probably won't be repealled even when covid is over..." CCTV , I hope the full force of the law is thrown at anyone risking other people's lives by flowting the law. We all have responsibility to try and stop this and follow the simple rules . | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!"That really doesn't sound like Covid | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!"That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused. | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused. "Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!! | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That really doesn't sound like Covid "Exactly that's certainly not Covid. There are hypercondriac types who at any little sniffles think it's a deadly disease. Unfortunately Covid is awful and you really dont want it ! | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!! "Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!!
Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol"Are you for real ???? What have I just said ???? | |||
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"3 people I know tested positive at beginning of March they are all Nurses !!!! They were back in the hospital after a week working again!!! And don’t try to tell me different !!! They are good friends "They were not allowed back for 14cdays . That really doesn't sound like Covid ...... | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!!
Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol"So the test is crap then ???? It gives a false positive ???? | |||
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"3 people I know tested positive at beginning of March they are all Nurses !!!! They were back in the hospital after a week working again!!! And don’t try to tell me different !!! They are good friends
They were not allowed back for 14cdays . That really doesn't sound like Covid ......"Well the tests are crap then oh dear oh dear !!! | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!!
Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!!
Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol
So the test is crap then ???? It gives a false positive ????"I am pleased all your friends are well , please advise them to stay safe as they haven't had Covid yet xx | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!!
Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol
So the test is crap then ???? It gives a false positive ????
I am pleased all your friends are well , please advise them to stay safe as they haven't had Covid yet xx"Maybe they all caught a cold off each other ? Hope they now follow the lock down rules and as nurses should ideally understand this Pandemic better than they appeared to back in March. In the "real world" Going back after a week after Covid is simply not possible for nurses | |||
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!!
Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol
So the test is crap then ???? It gives a false positive ????
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!!
Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol
So the test is crap then ???? It gives a false positive ????
I am pleased all your friends are well , please advise them to stay safe as they haven't had Covid yet xx
Maybe they all caught a cold off each other ? Hope they now follow the lock down rules and as nurses should ideally understand this Pandemic better than they appeared to back in March. In the "real world" Going back after a week after Covid is
simply not possible for nurses "They work in different hospitals !!!!!! They all were tested and all were positive !!! My sons colleague has it .... his words were it’s a cold someone else working in my sons place of work was in work for 2 days with it !!!! As I say wake up !!!! They were all tested all were POSITIVE !!!! | |||
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"3 people I know tested positive at beginning of March they are all Nurses !!!! They were back in the hospital after a week working again!!! And don’t try to tell me different !!! They are good friends
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!!
Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol
So the test is crap then ???? It gives a false positive ????
I am pleased all your friends are well , please advise them to stay safe as they haven't had Covid yet xx
Maybe they all caught a cold off each other ? Hope they now follow the lock down rules and as nurses should ideally understand this Pandemic better than they appeared to back in March. In the "real world" Going back after a week after Covid is
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They work in different hospitals !!!!!! They all were tested and all were positive !!! My sons colleague has it .... his words were it’s a cold someone else working in my sons place of work was in work for 2 days with it !!!! As I say wake up !!!!
They were all tested all were POSITIVE !!!!"Glad we have said it's a cold . Let's get back to reality covid is awful for most that have it and deadly to others. Nurses are not off with sniffles and go back after a week lol.... | |||
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"3 people I know tested positive at beginning of March they are all Nurses !!!! They were back in the hospital after a week working again!!! And don’t try to tell me different !!! They are good friends
The beginning of March was before the Lockdown. It's highly unlikely that would happen now.
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Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
No they tested positive all were back in work in a week !!!
That's obviously not covid as I even on the middle of this with patients and families of patients and have not seen anyone fit enough ( or allowed) back to work . That's a cold you are getting confused.
Why don’t you read what I say !!!! They aeee tested positive !!!! Back to work in NHS after a week !!!!
Simply because it's not true. You know it and I know it . A week off with a head cold is excessive though lol
So the test is crap then ???? It gives a false positive ????
I am pleased all your friends are well , please advise them to stay safe as they haven't had Covid yet xx
Maybe they all caught a cold off each other ? Hope they now follow the lock down rules and as nurses should ideally understand this Pandemic better than they appeared to back in March. In the "real world" Going back after a week after Covid is
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They work in different hospitals !!!!!! They all were tested and all were positive !!! My sons colleague has it .... his words were it’s a cold someone else working in my sons place of work was in work for 2 days with it !!!! As I say wake up !!!!
They were all tested all were POSITIVE !!!!"It simply doesn't sound true ... at the hospital I work at after you showed symptoms in March you had to stay off a further week after the last symptom cleared ? It was a general NHS rule lol | |||
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"3 people I know tested positive at beginning of March they are all Nurses !!!! They were back in the hospital after a week working again!!! And don’t try to tell me different !!! They are good friends
The beginning of March was before the Lockdown. It's highly unlikely that would happen now.
At that stage nurses were not allowed back 1 week after they last showed symptoms. So I think these are not nurses ? It does sound more like a cold
Unbelievable you lot !!!!
So the tests are crap then !!!!
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"Half of you lot are talking some absolute batshit nonsense. Sort yourselves out for crying out loud. Yes, this is fucking nonsense. I ain’t welcoming our new Covid overlords with glee, it’s making my life a misery. However, here’re some conveniently succinct facts for you. Have a read and you may learn something. There is currently no vaccine. This is a virus, therefore it can mutate, thus making herd-immunity and vaccine production incredibly tricky. Being told to stay at home for two weeks if you show symptoms is not an infringement on your human rights. To the person that suggested it is, pull your head out of your arse you absolute weapon. It’s like being told you shouldn’t go to work when you have the flu - so you don’t pass it on. I cannot believe I’m feeling the need to state this. Use your brain and have some common fucking decency. Physically tracking and tagging people is 1) immoral, 2) oppressive 3) impractical 4) practically logistically impossible 5) a privacy and data security nightmare and 6) a fucking stupid suggestion. There have been wild contradictions handed to the public in the form of ridiculously ambiguous guidelines from the government. This has been nothing short of an absolute top-down disaster piece of mismanagement, so I’m wholly unsurprised that people are confused. “Eat out to help out” followed by “oh shit, it’s spreading” could’ve been predicted by sources ranging from my phone’s autocomplete to an infant school child. The question of “can I go there?” can almost be rewritten as “does that place have a card machine?” And Barnard Bastard Castle. Also, for those arguing “oh this fine thing isn’t enforceable” vs “oh yes it is”, first off, it isn’t panto season yet (oh no it isn’t, nor is it behind you) so calm down. Secondly, surely you’re adults and can understand nuanced conversation, but just in case you missed it, here it is: Yes, technically, to the letter of the law it is enforceable. Practically, it isn’t. To reference some slightly dated but excruciatingly relevant pop culture, you’ve seen the film V For Vendetta, right? If not, go watch it. Whilst you’re at it, watch Hamilton the musical. It’s exceptional and might cheer you up a tad. And before any of you lot start twitching your curtains and go grassing up your neighbours, get a fucking life, widen your view and see where the problems in the world are. Whilst you’re distracted by whether or not Steve is only dropping groceries off to his great auntie Mavis that lives alone (and hasn’t seen another soul since March) or if he’s actually gone in for a cup of tea and a chat, what you’re actually missing is what is right before your eyes in parliament. This government are a fucking calamitous danger to everyone. Keep your eyes on them and wise up. Also, yes. I have read this back before posting it and make absolutely no apologies for however sanctimonious this may have come across; I’m sick and tired (if you’ll excuse the turn of phrase) of people being fucking dense. If you want an argument, take it up with my inbox and I’ll get back to you in 5-7 working days or something. Wear a mask, don’t be a dick, and don’t go dobbing your neighbours in like a sad-act. " | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? " Exactly this, not enough people to enforce it anyway.....being fined for having more than six in a group.......now this......where are these people who are going to enforce this. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-breaking-self-isolation-to-be-made-illegal-in-bid-to-tackle-second-spike-12076577 But people on low pay will get a lump sum of £500 to encourage isolation " Some shopfloor workers who work where I work, some of which earn about 20.00 above the amount of being able to claim any benefits are still hardly going to isolate as they wouldn't be entitled to this, people who earn a decent wage will still not be able to do this as they cant afford to loose two weeks wages......if we want them to isolate then unless we pay them the full amount of what they would loose, then they would still struggle to do the right thing....their right thing is to them to be able to put a roof over their childrens head and feed them, and pay their Bill's. | |||
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"Not sure who is going to be able to police this. Talking on your phone while driving is illegal but all I ever see are people talking on phones while driving. The hint is in the minimum £1000 fines...believe me that will make it enforceable... By who though? Coppers..wardens...council officials? I dont know who will get the cash...but whoever's does will be doing the checks. It's dead easy if you've been told to isolate you will go on a list...and if your not home when they knock on your door... Unfortunately due to having a severe lack of police they wouldn't have enough resources to uphold this nationwide. Perhaps it would be possible if the area was under lockdown and movement was easier to monitor but a city the size of London would be virtually impossible to oversee If they advertised the jobs as self employed checkers to call and check on a list of addresses...paid them 2 hundred quid for everyone they caught. How many do you think would snap the job up? Not sure if you can get blood out of a stone though, great idea but most who don't follow the law would sooner take some jail time than pay a fine" Even better ... Bring it on | |||
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"So low wage get £500 People isolating can't pay mortgage and lose the lot. Think my business is about to go to the wall will lose the lot. For 2 weeks? The low waged probably only get £250 per week when working on zero hour contracts....how much does your business pay you per week? Nothing and about to lay of 10 staff as no income for 6 months Would you like to tell them for me Don't know I can face them " feel so sorry for you and your employees, hopefully it won't come to that | |||
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"Low wage earners get £500. Pensioners get nothing. How is that fair when a state pension is less than half of a 40 minimum wage Why would a pensioner want to break isolation and go out to spread it? For the same reason a none pensioner would id assume the point is to stop people dodging isolation because they need to leave the house to make a wage you dont have to leave the house to collect a pension do you? But if a pensioner is expected to live on £140 a week why can’t other groups be expected to live on the same amount?" I'll take it your asking for a friend after having a look at you....its about people not going to work and I would have thought your pensioner friend will have retired... | |||
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"This is one issue that's going to bring people from the left and right together. The government has been dividing and conquering for years, and now hopefully, all their bullshit will be undone" This should be bringing everyone together by wearing masks and isolating where needed . Unfortunately the minority just dont understand the severity and need to be brought into the real world and heavily fined | |||
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"Who or how is this law going to be implemented " They are going to collect all those bits of paper with false names on that pubs and clubs collect and matt Hancock’s mate will build a magic app to suck them all in, complete all the missing info , replace MR Magoo and Miss Piggy with our real names, connect to everyone’s WiFi and see who’s in - simple, have faith in your government they are clever guys | |||
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"Who or how is this law going to be implemented They are going to collect all those bits of paper with false names on that pubs and clubs collect and matt Hancock’s mate will build a magic app to suck them all in, complete all the missing info , replace MR Magoo and Miss Piggy with our real names, connect to everyone’s WiFi and see who’s in - simple, have faith in your government they are clever guys "Pmsl | |||
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"Who or how is this law going to be implemented They can't Police every single loony Audi Driver on the M6 - they won't need to - but enough will be fined to give many more the message 'that it's actually cool to be thinking of others' and not just themselves. "Exactly, need to make an example of a few and take it from their benefits! | |||
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Makes the people sound more like dicks than the government though doesn't it?"Why on earth give a false name ?? That's just crazy to try to avoid something that's protecting all our health. If that happens we will never get our of lockdown | |||
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"3 people I know tested positive at beginning of March they are all Nurses !!!! They were back in the hospital after a week working again!!! And don’t try to tell me different !!! They are good friends
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"3 people I know tested positive at beginning of March they are all Nurses !!!! They were back in the hospital after a week working again!!! And don’t try to tell me different !!! They are good friends
They were not allowed back for 14cdays . That really doesn't sound like Covid ......
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"So if I take a weeks holiday for rest and relaxation with family, as expected by my employer - who will not allow me to carry over holidays to 2021... I’m ok to travel today to the country today, but it’s put on the quarantine list next week - whilst I’m on holiday. Both me and my partner would have to isolate for 2 weeks, both unpaid as our employers will not foot the bill and we can’t work from home. Lost income is over £2k net That’s a lot of money to lose through the government imposing a quarantine during a holiday. We would be in to the overdraft, we’d manage, but many other people would be up shit creek with this load of cock and balls. For me if you are safe to travel out, you should be safe to travel back, or have your wages protected 100% Not everyone gets company sick pay at 100% for being off sick. Not everyone gets company sick pay for being contacted by track & trace, some employers refuse to pay. Not everyone can afford 2 weeks off work unpaid I can understand why people are breaching the rules - they are trying to survive." a weeks annual leave for rest and relaxation at no point specifies you must leave the country... that is entirely your choice and responsibility for any consequence cant/ shouldn’t be pinned on the govt or your employer | |||
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" This thread truly shows the range of mindsets people have and is an insight into how what happened in Nazi Germany came to pass. Do you see any of this happening in Sweden atm? No. Do you see Swedens infection rates and death rates going up no. They represent what a civilised country is. I'm ashamed of ours. KJ" Sweden has a population of just over 10 million people but in the UK the population is pushing closer to 70 million so you can't compare the two | |||
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"So if I take a weeks holiday for rest and relaxation with family, as expected by my employer - who will not allow me to carry over holidays to 2021... I’m ok to travel today to the country today, but it’s put on the quarantine list next week - whilst I’m on holiday. Both me and my partner would have to isolate for 2 weeks, both unpaid as our employers will not foot the bill and we can’t work from home. Lost income is over £2k net That’s a lot of money to lose through the government imposing a quarantine during a holiday. We would be in to the overdraft, we’d manage, but many other people would be up shit creek with this load of cock and balls. For me if you are safe to travel out, you should be safe to travel back, or have your wages protected 100% Not everyone gets company sick pay at 100% for being off sick. Not everyone gets company sick pay for being contacted by track & trace, some employers refuse to pay. Not everyone can afford 2 weeks off work unpaid I can understand why people are breaching the rules - they are trying to survive. a weeks annual leave for rest and relaxation at no point specifies you must leave the country... that is entirely your choice and responsibility for any consequence cant/ shouldn’t be pinned on the govt or your employer " | |||
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"So if I take a weeks holiday for rest and relaxation with family, as expected by my employer - who will not allow me to carry over holidays to 2021... I’m ok to travel today to the country today, but it’s put on the quarantine list next week - whilst I’m on holiday. Both me and my partner would have to isolate for 2 weeks, both unpaid as our employers will not foot the bill and we can’t work from home. Lost income is over £2k net That’s a lot of money to lose through the government imposing a quarantine during a holiday. We would be in to the overdraft, we’d manage, but many other people would be up shit creek with this load of cock and balls. For me if you are safe to travel out, you should be safe to travel back, or have your wages protected 100% Not everyone gets company sick pay at 100% for being off sick. Not everyone gets company sick pay for being contacted by track & trace, some employers refuse to pay. Not everyone can afford 2 weeks off work unpaid I can understand why people are breaching the rules - they are trying to survive." So you have a option of a overdraft..many low paid dont. If you dont self isolate you will pay that 2k in fines. I just dont understand why someone would go in their work place to spread this with the result of possibly killing others. It's a carrot and stick to try and stop the spread. | |||
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"So if I take a weeks holiday for rest and relaxation with family, as expected by my employer - who will not allow me to carry over holidays to 2021... I’m ok to travel today to the country today, but it’s put on the quarantine list next week - whilst I’m on holiday. Both me and my partner would have to isolate for 2 weeks, both unpaid as our employers will not foot the bill and we can’t work from home. Lost income is over £2k net That’s a lot of money to lose through the government imposing a quarantine during a holiday. We would be in to the overdraft, we’d manage, but many other people would be up shit creek with this load of cock and balls. For me if you are safe to travel out, you should be safe to travel back, or have your wages protected 100% Not everyone gets company sick pay at 100% for being off sick. Not everyone gets company sick pay for being contacted by track & trace, some employers refuse to pay. Not everyone can afford 2 weeks off work unpaid I can understand why people are breaching the rules - they are trying to survive." At least you would be able to get home. They could just cancel all flights and leave you abroad. Pretty sure that would cost you more overall. Everyone wants and deserves a holiday but during a pandemic why take the risk when you know the financial implications if you travel? | |||
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" This thread truly shows the range of mindsets people have and is an insight into how what happened in Nazi Germany came to pass. Do you see any of this happening in Sweden atm? No. Do you see Swedens infection rates and death rates going up no. They represent what a civilised country is. I'm ashamed of ours. KJ We ARE NOT in Sweden. And that's like saying that being told to do no more than 70mph on a Motorway is how the Third Reich started. 'Oh Hell my freedom to drive at 4 billion miles and hour is taking all the freedom I have !!!!' Geezus the only people here in any form of conspiracy are those shouting conspiracy. You really need to get grip of yourselves and notice that currently this World isn't just about how inconvenient it is to your lifestyle ! "I don't believe in conspiraces at all.I was simply highlighting the divided nature of our fellow country men and how this thread highlights just how venomously we turn on each other. That's exactly how war and genocides have started throughout history. I'm highlighting it's sad that we in the UK in 2020 can so easily slip into those mindsets against each other. It's the first step of a slippery slope. This country is completed divided down the middle on this issue. You have the mainstream media on one side. You also have eminent scientists falling down on both sides of the arguement. So to say the other side are just selfish mindless conspiracy driven nutters says a great deal. I'll respect anybody regardless of where they stand on the issue of how to deal with covid as long as that comes from a balanced an informed choice by exploring the science on both sides of the argument. KJ | |||
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" This thread truly shows the range of mindsets people have and is an insight into how what happened in Nazi Germany came to pass. Do you see any of this happening in Sweden atm? No. Do you see Swedens infection rates and death rates going up no. They represent what a civilised country is. I'm ashamed of ours. KJ We ARE NOT in Sweden. And that's like saying that being told to do no more than 70mph on a Motorway is how the Third Reich started. 'Oh Hell my freedom to drive at 4 billion miles and hour is taking all the freedom I have !!!!' Geezus the only people here in any form of conspiracy are those shouting conspiracy. You really need to get grip of yourselves and notice that currently this World isn't just about how inconvenient it is to your lifestyle !
I don't believe in conspiraces at all.I was simply highlighting the divided nature of our fellow country men and how this thread highlights just how venomously we turn on each other. That's exactly how war and genocides have started throughout history. I'm highlighting it's sad that we in the UK in 2020 can so easily slip into those mindsets against each other. It's the first step of a slippery slope.
This country is completed divided down the middle on this issue. You have the mainstream media on one side. You also have eminent scientists falling down on both sides of the arguement. So to say the other side are just selfish mindless conspiracy driven nutters says a great deal.
I'll respect anybody regardless of where they stand on the issue of how to deal with covid as long as that comes from a balanced an informed choice by exploring the science on both sides of the argument.
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"Most of you would do really well in the Hitler Yourh I often wonder if most of you are still furloughed sitting at home with nothing to do .... nothing better to do than scaremongering .. and before anyone starts spouting off I Know 6 people who had it ... was nothing worse than a head cold and yes people die but I’m afraid we are all dying ... 99 per cent of us recover from it ....
Having seen many cases it's nothing like a head cold lol . I think they may have something different rather than covid
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" If the papers were not on public display, maybe people would feel more secure about their details being left, but gdpr was brought in to protect peoples data, which we were all for, so why would people leave their numbers out in full view now. Young 19 year old girl at work got a text from a waiter in a restaurant...not good.... Been to many many places where this just doesn't happen - tell the girl to report the Lad and the business for breach of GDPR. I agree not all places, but not risking it either......how do you tell which places it happens and which it doesn't?" Make them aware that you are aware by saying so. And asking how are they protecting your data. They should be very keen to prove it to you if they are honest. The trust has to start someplace. | |||
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"Not all independently owned hospitality business owners are up to speed with GDPR, employment law or H&S. The clip board and pen is the cheapest option of meeting the t&t requirement, and after being locked down for several months they can’t afford to subscribe to an app-based system in the same way that the big businesses (Marstons, spoons etc) have in place. Whilst GDPR is important, for years we have all regularly given our a phone number when booking a table in a restaurant. Why now is it such a big deal? " Exactly it's just people being awkward or deliberately objectionable | |||
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"Sounds like you work in HR" i dont work in HR and i am actually abroad replying from a sun lounger this very minute my point was merely nobody is forcing you to go abroad so if you make that choice take responsibility for any consequence of your own actions ... why the hell should the government bail me out and pay for me if i decide to leave the country during a pandemic of my own free will then it goes tits up | |||
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"Not all independently owned hospitality business owners are up to speed with GDPR, employment law or H&S. The clip board and pen is the cheapest option of meeting the t&t requirement, and after being locked down for several months they can’t afford to subscribe to an app-based system in the same way that the big businesses (Marstons, spoons etc) have in place. Whilst GDPR is important, for years we have all regularly given our a phone number when booking a table in a restaurant. Why now is it such a big deal? " When we booked a table and left numbers prior to covid, it was not left in full view of everybody, on a table for everybody to fill in themselves and view. Have used the apps when I have been in places that have them though...so it's MY CHOICE to now only leave details when asked and they are kept private. | |||
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"Not all independently owned hospitality business owners are up to speed with GDPR, employment law or H&S. The clip board and pen is the cheapest option of meeting the t&t requirement, and after being locked down for several months they can’t afford to subscribe to an app-based system in the same way that the big businesses (Marstons, spoons etc) have in place. Whilst GDPR is important, for years we have all regularly given our a phone number when booking a table in a restaurant. Why now is it such a big deal? Exactly it's just people being awkward or deliberately objectionable " People are choosing to do what they feel is right for them and yes it's their choice, you choose what you feel is right......I will choose what is right for me..... | |||
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"Not all independently owned hospitality business owners are up to speed with GDPR, employment law or H&S. The clip board and pen is the cheapest option of meeting the t&t requirement, and after being locked down for several months they can’t afford to subscribe to an app-based system in the same way that the big businesses (Marstons, spoons etc) have in place. Whilst GDPR is important, for years we have all regularly given our a phone number when booking a table in a restaurant. Why now is it such a big deal? Exactly it's just people being awkward or deliberately objectionable People are choosing to do what they feel is right for them and yes it's their choice, you choose what you feel is right......I will choose what is right for me..... "Very much this. Everyone's reality if different to the next person. | |||
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"Not all independently owned hospitality business owners are up to speed with GDPR, employment law or H&S. The clip board and pen is the cheapest option of meeting the t&t requirement, and after being locked down for several months they can’t afford to subscribe to an app-based system in the same way that the big businesses (Marstons, spoons etc) have in place. Whilst GDPR is important, for years we have all regularly given our a phone number when booking a table in a restaurant. Why now is it such a big deal? Exactly it's just people being awkward or deliberately objectionable People are choosing to do what they feel is right for them and yes it's their choice, you choose what you feel is right......I will choose what is right for me.....
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"never pay for a holiday using cash if you use a credit card you can do a chargeback so that you are covered." Spot-on. And if you can . . . Golden Rule of Consumerism - Anything you can't afford to lose and can be cancelled or not given by the Seller, then pay by Credit Card, Chargeback will sort it for you. Very Quickly too.
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"Not all independently owned hospitality business owners are up to speed with GDPR, employment law or H&S. The clip board and pen is the cheapest option of meeting the t&t requirement, and after being locked down for several months they can’t afford to subscribe to an app-based system in the same way that the big businesses (Marstons, spoons etc) have in place. Whilst GDPR is important, for years we have all regularly given our a phone number when booking a table in a restaurant. Why now is it such a big deal? Exactly it's just people being awkward or deliberately objectionable People are choosing to do what they feel is right for them and yes it's their choice, you choose what you feel is right......I will choose what is right for me..... "At the expense of others ? Charming | |||
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"Not all independently owned hospitality business owners are up to speed with GDPR, employment law or H&S. The clip board and pen is the cheapest option of meeting the t&t requirement, and after being locked down for several months they can’t afford to subscribe to an app-based system in the same way that the big businesses (Marstons, spoons etc) have in place. Whilst GDPR is important, for years we have all regularly given our a phone number when booking a table in a restaurant. Why now is it such a big deal? Exactly it's just people being awkward or deliberately objectionable People are choosing to do what they feel is right for them and yes it's their choice, you choose what you feel is right......I will choose what is right for me.....
At the expense of others ? Charming "Any choice has an impact on others. | |||
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"Fine them stop benefits If they still ignore Jail " What a charming man you are . | |||
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"Fine them stop benefits If they still ignore Jail " Have you heard yourself. Get a grip. | |||
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"Fine them stop benefits If they still ignore Jail " Who is going to send them to jail. The courts who already have a 8 to 12 months backlog as a result of the last lockdown. And you propose another lockdown | |||
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