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Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings."From what I heard from people who were there, the rally was peaceful, people were listening to the speakers and the police got heavy handed. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings."Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind. I promise to do my best To do my duty To God and to the queen To help other people And to keep to the law | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
"I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same. These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same.
These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away."That's the bit I cang get my head around. DO AS WE ARE TOLD. We have 3 kids and 7 grandkids we have done ok so far in our lives. . We can make our own decisions in life . Feels like being a toddler again. DO AS YOU ARE TOLD. THERE IS ONLY COVID. It's like a scifi film  | |||
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"If you watched the peaceful protest, all of whom are protesting for the freedoms you don't know you are going to lose. you would have seen the police charging peaceful protestors and even wielding batons against peaceful human beings, The police seemed to single people out for no apparent reason and arrest them, I would assume to try and antagonise the crowd, so they could charge in, Looks like the police failed this time. Part two is next Saturday 26 September Midday at Trafalger Square, if any one is interested in standing up for their freedom." The police were heavy handed and were using bully tactics in the hope to scare people off from turning up next Saturday... It was a totally peaceful event and the police were provoking and trying to disrupt... Dog units, cops on horses and cops in full riot gear.. Absolute joke. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
Were you a boy-scout?"Was a leader for some time But yes I was | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
Were you a boy-scout?
Was a leader for some time
But yes I was "Be proud of it | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
Were you a boy-scout?
Was a leader for some time
But yes I was Be proud of it"I am it might be an age thing but I still think of others Its not hard My dad taught me to drive and his moto was Care Cutesy Consideration. But where has it gone? | |||
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"You cannot cure stupid people. To protect others all we can do is round them up and jail them "We shall see if you still think those protesting are stupid when you've been living in a country with no social interaction, curfews, travel restrictions and fines for almost any transgression for a year or so... | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them" Perhaps you want to live in a police state, I certainly don't. | |||
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" These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away." Do as we are told? Well seeing as we are told its totally safe to go to work, the pub, the football, or pretty much anywhere else that raises tax money..... But.... It is not safe for us to gather in group of more than 6 in our own homes and gardens...... I'd say what we are being told at this point is total nonsense | |||
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"You cannot cure stupid people. To protect others all we can do is round them up and jail them "Thats sounds like a very democratic plan, thanks for your input Kim Jong Ill | |||
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" I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same. These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away." But we did that and it DIDN'T go away. They said stay at home, and everybody did. The level of compliance surprised even the government but IT DIDN'T WORK. What did happen was a huge upswing in treatable illness going untreated, a massive decline in mental health and a catastrophic level of destruction within the economy. Now, despite all that they want us to do it again. NO. Obeying the law is one thing but when that law flies in the face of our basic freedoms for no good reason it's a bad law and bad laws shouldn't be obeyed. And before anyone starts with the 'the protests could spread covid' nonsense go take a look around. Covid's here. It's spreading anyway. It's spreading in houses, in shops, in offices, on buses on trains... it doesn't need protests to spread, but WE need protests to keep this government from becoming a dictatorship. | |||
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" I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same. These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away. But we did that and it DIDN'T go away. They said stay at home, and everybody did. The level of compliance surprised even the government but IT DIDN'T WORK. What did happen was a huge upswing in treatable illness going untreated, a massive decline in mental health and a catastrophic level of destruction within the economy. Now, despite all that they want us to do it again. NO. Obeying the law is one thing but when that law flies in the face of our basic freedoms for no good reason it's a bad law and bad laws shouldn't be obeyed. And before anyone starts with the 'the protests could spread covid' nonsense go take a look around. Covid's here. It's spreading anyway. It's spreading in houses, in shops, in offices, on buses on trains... it doesn't need protests to spread, but WE need protests to keep this government from becoming a dictatorship."  | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them" why just because you disagree with what they are protesting abt and want to be told what and when you can go out | |||
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" I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same. These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away. But we did that and it DIDN'T go away. They said stay at home, and everybody did. The level of compliance surprised even the government but IT DIDN'T WORK. What did happen was a huge upswing in treatable illness going untreated, a massive decline in mental health and a catastrophic level of destruction within the economy. Now, despite all that they want us to do it again. NO. Obeying the law is one thing but when that law flies in the face of our basic freedoms for no good reason it's a bad law and bad laws shouldn't be obeyed. And before anyone starts with the 'the protests could spread covid' nonsense go take a look around. Covid's here. It's spreading anyway. It's spreading in houses, in shops, in offices, on buses on trains... it doesn't need protests to spread, but WE need protests to keep this government from becoming a dictatorship." | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings."They did invent one of the best sexual positions so you might be onto something. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same.
These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away."Just a fact Regardless of whether people comply with arbitrary guesses on how to manage this particular virus It's not ever going away So sorry All we currently know is how to slow the infection rate That's all We do NOT know if that's beneficial for humanity over a 50 year period or counterproductive I notice someone said do their duty for God and the queen Cant say I would trust either of them on Corona Me I'm lucky I can comply with the rules with ease and I advocate that we should However they absolutely are not a solution to Corona they only mitigate death while a solution is found A fact remains If ,IF,if We take at face value strict controls on our liberties and everyone did comply then new breeding relationships would slow to a trickle that's just a logical fact Thus If everyone complied until the virus has gone from the planet ( never then) To control the virus more than a mask is required Rather negative limitations on other movements and intimacy interactions are required No holidays no socialising Unless these restrictions are conducted for ever then it will spike and kill I predict a very miserable 5 10 years for many no money no fredom no socialising Until morally the world gives up | |||
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" I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same. These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away. But we did that and it DIDN'T go away. They said stay at home, and everybody did. The level of compliance surprised even the government but IT DIDN'T WORK. What did happen was a huge upswing in treatable illness going untreated, a massive decline in mental health and a catastrophic level of destruction within the economy. Now, despite all that they want us to do it again. NO. Obeying the law is one thing but when that law flies in the face of our basic freedoms for no good reason it's a bad law and bad laws shouldn't be obeyed. And before anyone starts with the 'the protests could spread covid' nonsense go take a look around. Covid's here. It's spreading anyway. It's spreading in houses, in shops, in offices, on buses on trains... it doesn't need protests to spread, but WE need protests to keep this government from becoming a dictatorship. "Perfectly put! | |||
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" I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same. These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away. But we did that and it DIDN'T go away. They said stay at home, and everybody did. The level of compliance surprised even the government but IT DIDN'T WORK. What did happen was a huge upswing in treatable illness going untreated, a massive decline in mental health and a catastrophic level of destruction within the economy. Now, despite all that they want us to do it again. NO. Obeying the law is one thing but when that law flies in the face of our basic freedoms for no good reason it's a bad law and bad laws shouldn't be obeyed. And before anyone starts with the 'the protests could spread covid' nonsense go take a look around. Covid's here. It's spreading anyway. It's spreading in houses, in shops, in offices, on buses on trains... it doesn't need protests to spread, but WE need protests to keep this government from becoming a dictatorship.
Perfectly put!"Absolutely spot on | |||
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"You cannot cure stupid people. To protect others all we can do is round them up and jail them
Thats sounds like a very democratic plan, thanks for your input Kim Jong Ill"Desperate times call for unusual desperate measures. Why should innocent people get subjected to these silly people and their ridiculous behaviour. Tear gas , fines and jail them | |||
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"Sorry it’s a pandemic - I am all fit the right to protest usually and have been on certain marches However thus is not the time or place. " Spot on ... protest when its over. The time to revolt is not now . Tear gas the revolting mob | |||
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"You cannot cure stupid people. To protect others all we can do is round them up and jail them
Thats sounds like a very democratic plan, thanks for your input Kim Jong Ill
Desperate times call for unusual desperate measures. Why should innocent people get subjected to these silly people and their ridiculous behaviour. Tear gas , fines and jail them "Wow My thoughts and observations Crowds outside although certainly a conduit for the virus actually are not historically shown to spread exponentially My observation Touch I'd suggest is an effect conduit at least 50 percent responsibility for this virus transmission Before finger pointing at outside groups I'd suggest people concentrating very hard on their own touch hygiene This week Over 200 people crossed my work premises All thought themselves bomb proof with their mask 97 percent touched more than 5 surfaced or door handles then touched their phone wallet mask and face I observe diabolical hand to object transmission pathways daily in every environment I venture Until people stop entirely touching anything another has touched this will continue And that is neither plausible or possible for any degree of normality It is not possible for all establishments and all their patrons to clean every surface and every hand after touching Personally my only practical solution Carefully write a leaflet for all vulnerable people on how they MUST act ie impeccable hand to mouth hygiene and social distancing a step by step guide on how they MUST practice impeccable mask discipline currently the advice is all word of mouth or a news soundbite the vulnerable are either just not going out or do not really have a clue how to effectively protect themselves I'd suggest we stop shouting at people not complying with possibly relatively ineffective and contradictory rules and work to help our vulnerable evade all contact with potential carriers or surfaces or air but still have their liberties | |||
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"You cannot cure stupid people. To protect others all we can do is round them up and jail them
Thats sounds like a very democratic plan, thanks for your input Kim Jong Ill
Desperate times call for unusual desperate measures. Why should innocent people get subjected to these silly people and their ridiculous behaviour. Tear gas , fines and jail them "Thankfully we dont live in a fascist state. Yet. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
Were you a boy-scout?". Was thinking the same thing, can vaguely remember chanting that at cubs  | |||
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"You cannot cure stupid people. To protect others all we can do is round them up and jail them
Thats sounds like a very democratic plan, thanks for your input Kim Jong Ill
Desperate times call for unusual desperate measures. Why should innocent people get subjected to these silly people and their ridiculous behaviour. Tear gas , fines and jail them
Thankfully we dont live in a fascist state.
Yet. "What’s really funny about these protests against government (who are fascists, there’s no doubt about that whatsoever) ‘fascism’, is it’s odds on that 95%+ of the idiots there also voted Tory.  | |||
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"As a peace loving guy, can we just bring back "the stocks". Put the idiots in them, and throw rotten fruit and veg at them. Sounds like fun for everyone! I believe this was trialled a millennia ago, with very good results "Perfect .... | |||
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"Fine em, jail em, turn water cannons on em. How about the government inform them of what the actual plan is. What is the plan going forward, I've yet to hear one." | |||
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"Fine em, jail em, turn water cannons on em. How about the government inform them of what the actual plan is. What is the plan going forward, I've yet to hear one." Agree on the lack of a plan, thing is I doubt that some would listen.. | |||
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"Fine em, jail em, turn water cannons on em. How about the government inform them of what the actual plan is. What is the plan going forward, I've yet to hear one." The problem with a plan is if they have to change it with another out brake we will still call them in competent. The first lock down was to late in my opinion but if it had bean earlier and there had been hardly any deaths we would have all moaned more about it. and then a second lookdown no one would have paid any attention at all.... | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
From what I heard from people who were there, the rally was peaceful, people were listening to the speakers and the police got heavy handed. "Typical coppers. Baxters. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same.
These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away."What?? Do as we're told? Sod them. This is supposed to be a free country. The government do as we tell them that's democracy. They tell us it's dictatorship. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
I agreed to a slightly different path of alliegance however it meant the same.
These people are getting really annoying the sooner we do as we’re told, the sooner it goes away.
That's the bit I cang get my head around.
DO AS WE ARE TOLD.
We have 3 kids and 7 grandkids we have done ok so far in our lives.
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We can make our own decisions in life .
Feels like being a toddler again.
DO AS YOU ARE TOLD.
THERE IS ONLY COVID.
It's like a scifi film "Fuckin right. Well said. Fuck all this do as we are told pish. | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties." God help them if society and government really did collapse and they had to fend for themselves | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties." | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties." Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre. | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre." Agree | |||
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"... I promise to do my best To do my duty To God and to the queen To help other people And to keep to the law Were you a boy-scout? Was a leader for some time But yes I was " You sound like a follower, not a leader. | |||
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"Thus far there's been at theses demo's, the extreme far right, the 5 g conspiracy cranks and the anti vaxers.. And as with any demo rent a mob sneak in to kick off and trash things.. Some of them might benefit from a tap on the head.. Btw there were according to Reuters as many police injured as protestors.. So the picture being painted by some of theses so called freedom campaigners heroically fighting for the nation against an oppressive state is somewhat bollocks.." | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. " It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. | |||
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"Thus far there's been at theses demo's, the extreme far right, the 5 g conspiracy cranks and the anti vaxers.. And as with any demo rent a mob sneak in to kick off and trash things.. Some of them might benefit from a tap on the head.. Btw there were according to Reuters as many police injured as protestors.. So the picture being painted by some of theses so called freedom campaigners heroically fighting for the nation against an oppressive state is somewhat bollocks.." It's just a vehicle for the far right to destabilise things. I do believe the majority that actually turn out are useful idiots primed on disinformation and resentment. It's not a coincidence the same thing is happening in the US, UK Germany and Ireland. | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre." Keep drinking the Kool Aid and listening to Wakefield and Icke, big guy. | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre." You dont have freedom? | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre. You dont have freedom?" Our freedoms have been restricted. I do believe that. | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre. You dont have freedom? Our freedoms have been restricted. I do believe that. " With good reason? | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest." Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre. You dont have freedom? Our freedoms have been restricted. I do believe that. With good reason?" I thought so at the beginning- bitter a pill as it was to swallow. Now- no. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. " Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable." I notice you didn’t answer my question. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable." This shit of a life is not sustainable. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. " It's not all about you though and why cant some think beyond their own self interest  | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. It's not all about you though and why cant some think beyond their own self interest "So who’s life are you thinking about? | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. " I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre. You dont have freedom? Our freedoms have been restricted. I do believe that. With good reason? I thought so at the beginning- bitter a pill as it was to swallow. Now- no." What has changed? | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there" Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
Human beings are just greedy and generally put them self first. The day of thinking of others just is not in there mind.
I promise to do my best
To do my duty
To God and to the queen
To help other people
And to keep to the law
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you?" Okay- that is a kind answer and I appreciate that. I am also concerned about the vulnerable, who we would all agree are the elderly, those with co-morbidities and other health issues - yes? What about those left vulnerable and damaged by the reaction to the COVID-19 response by this government though? Thats what I’m getting at with my question. You (not you specifically- I mean as a group) call people like me selfish, say I don’t think of other people- but I feel like people get so caught about the bug that they forget about worrying about the financial, mental and physical health of everyone else. Covid 19 is bloody horrible, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.... but it can’t be the sole focus of a functioning society. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. " This answer is EXACTLY my issue. There is no exit strategy! So as much as you like to think that if you behave yourself, everything will be okay- it bloody well won’t. | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre. You dont have freedom? Our freedoms have been restricted. I do believe that. With good reason? I thought so at the beginning- bitter a pill as it was to swallow. Now- no. What has changed?" Numbers of people in hospital. Numbers of deaths. Restrictions on civil liberties reaching far beyond anything we have seen for an extremely long time, in this country, with no parliamentary scrutiny. Stuff like that!!! | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. " If you wouldn't mind explaining how slowing the path if a nigh on practically unstoppable virus will end up hastening the end to regular restrictions and how it's better for everyone not just "quite rightly btw" better for the vulnerable I completely agree social restrictions are better morally for a society I see zero data of substance to confirm or contradict that compliance will bring the mess to a quicker resolution nor that beyond moral wellbeing will be better for the high percent of population that will be relatively in unscathed | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre. You dont have freedom? Our freedoms have been restricted. I do believe that. With good reason? I thought so at the beginning- bitter a pill as it was to swallow. Now- no. What has changed? Numbers of people in hospital. Numbers of deaths. Restrictions on civil liberties reaching far beyond anything we have seen for an extremely long time, in this country, with no parliamentary scrutiny. Stuff like that!!!" So you don’t think the measures that were put in place were anything to do with the drop in the number of cases and people in hospital? I agree completely about the lack of parliamentary scrutiny however, although you could argue it probably wouldn’t matter given the size of the government’s majority. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. This answer is EXACTLY my issue. There is no exit strategy! So as much as you like to think that if you behave yourself, everything will be okay- it bloody well won’t. " it will be ok....stop worying | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre. You dont have freedom? Our freedoms have been restricted. I do believe that. With good reason? I thought so at the beginning- bitter a pill as it was to swallow. Now- no. What has changed? Numbers of people in hospital. Numbers of deaths. Restrictions on civil liberties reaching far beyond anything we have seen for an extremely long time, in this country, with no parliamentary scrutiny. Stuff like that!!! So you don’t think the measures that were put in place were anything to do with the drop in the number of cases and people in hospital? Yes I do, and that is why I said I supported the measures at the beginning. July 4th was the turning point for me... “super Saturday”... it was great- the feeling of optimism was palpable. Then came 24th July with the masks and every little hope this country about recovery and a return to normality was crushed. Ever since then we have had rules and restrictions and fines and sharp little beaks poking into every corner of our daily lives. I agree completely about the lack of parliamentary scrutiny however, although you could argue it probably wouldn’t matter given the size of the government’s majority." Yeah, I agree with that. Ed milliband wiped the floor with Johnson in Parliamentary debate the other day, and what was the outcome of that?! God it’s so depressing right now!! | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. This answer is EXACTLY my issue. There is no exit strategy! So as much as you like to think that if you behave yourself, everything will be okay- it bloody well won’t. it will be ok....stop worying " I have my home, my business and my way of life on the line. I very much hope you are right, but it’s impossible not to worry right now. | |||
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"I don’t understand the protesting.... get vaccinated don’t get vaccinated why the drama " Dont know why but this made me giggle. I agree. Most these anti-vaxxers think they have stumbled on some big secret and the only way to add any substance to their silly arguments is to come together in a crowd and shout about it. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Okay- that is a kind answer and I appreciate that. I am also concerned about the vulnerable, who we would all agree are the elderly, those with co-morbidities and other health issues - yes? What about those left vulnerable and damaged by the reaction to the COVID-19 response by this government though? Thats what I’m getting at with my question. You (not you specifically- I mean as a group) call people like me selfish, say I don’t think of other people- but I feel like people get so caught about the bug that they forget about worrying about the financial, mental and physical health of everyone else. Covid 19 is bloody horrible, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.... but it can’t be the sole focus of a functioning society. " I actually agree that we can't just focus on Covid, however it is now intrinsically linked with business. Public health is driving business decisions with the business being placed in second place. The longer this goes on, the more we will understand the virus and this will allow more things to be done that may currently be classed as to risky, however it may also reveal things we currently think of as low risk to be bad. Unfortunately there are no quick answers and the waters are also being muddied by the rafts of false advice and rumors about Covid. However there is also a balance to be struck with risk of vast unemployment. It is this balancing act that things like masks are a part of, even if it only helps a tiny amount, that tiny amount translates into a little more businesses can open and do. Ironically also providing a source of revenue for other businesses by making them. Mine come very well made from a family run tailors in Lancashire who switched to them when they couldn't make bespoke suits, they are still in business now and I am glad that in a tiny way, my purchase helped that. We also need to get the rates under control to win the confidence of other countries so that foreign travel can resume more effectively further bringing in revenue and protecting jobs. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. " You’re only focusing on one aspect of all of this. You think the only thing that matters is public health. Public health is one element in a complex decision which involves weighing up health considerations against social, economic and educational factors. More-so, when 99% of the population aren’t going to die from the virus. We now know six months on the death rate is similar to flu. We didn’t lock down the country when we had a severe flu outbreak in January 2017 when tens of thousands died. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. This answer is EXACTLY my issue. There is no exit strategy! So as much as you like to think that if you behave yourself, everything will be okay- it bloody well won’t. it will be ok....stop worying I have my home, my business and my way of life on the line. I very much hope you are right, but it’s impossible not to worry right now. " True same as everyone else but worying won't change that best just to crack on | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Okay- that is a kind answer and I appreciate that. I am also concerned about the vulnerable, who we would all agree are the elderly, those with co-morbidities and other health issues - yes? What about those left vulnerable and damaged by the reaction to the COVID-19 response by this government though? Thats what I’m getting at with my question. You (not you specifically- I mean as a group) call people like me selfish, say I don’t think of other people- but I feel like people get so caught about the bug that they forget about worrying about the financial, mental and physical health of everyone else. Covid 19 is bloody horrible, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.... but it can’t be the sole focus of a functioning society. I actually agree that we can't just focus on Covid, however it is now intrinsically linked with business. Public health is driving business decisions with the business being placed in second place. The longer this goes on, the more we will understand the virus and this will allow more things to be done that may currently be classed as to risky, however it may also reveal things we currently think of as low risk to be bad. Unfortunately there are no quick answers and the waters are also being muddied by the rafts of false advice and rumors about Covid. However there is also a balance to be struck with risk of vast unemployment. It is this balancing act that things like masks are a part of, even if it only helps a tiny amount, that tiny amount translates into a little more businesses can open and do. Ironically also providing a source of revenue for other businesses by making them. Mine come very well made from a family run tailors in Lancashire who switched to them when they couldn't make bespoke suits, they are still in business now and I am glad that in a tiny way, my purchase helped that. We also need to get the rates under control to win the confidence of other countries so that foreign travel can resume more effectively further bringing in revenue and protecting jobs. " Well I’m glad we agree! It just gets a little bit tiresome being told how selfish we are by people who don’t seem to see the whole picture. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. If you wouldn't mind explaining how slowing the path if a nigh on practically unstoppable virus will end up hastening the end to regular restrictions and how it's better for everyone not just "quite rightly btw" better for the vulnerable I completely agree social restrictions are better morally for a society I see zero data of substance to confirm or contradict that compliance will bring the mess to a quicker resolution nor that beyond moral wellbeing will be better for the high percent of population that will be relatively in unscathed " Because it buys time, research takes time and research is what leads us to find better treatments and to understand better what does and doesn't work. If you take the brakes off and allow it to run rampant, you ultimately end up with more sick and dead than you can possibly cope with, the healthcare system then buckles and as other people have referred to, the death rate from everything else rockets too further compounding the issue. It is absolutely a balancing act and there is no guarantee we are getting it right, however there is somewhat of a general consensus in approach across the globe, so whatever you think of our government, if they are mirroring other governments that's about as good an answer as is available anywhere in the world right now as those approaches have been arrived at by the scientific community globally not just in the UK. There is always going to be variation to allow for local circumstances (even in the UK there is with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland). But the world is trying to figure it out as fast as it can, it's just never going to be as fast as people want. | |||
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"Don't blame the police waffle on about freedom what about are rights to get rid of this virus sooner the better and we going to get rid of the virus standing side by side " Won't standing side by side spread it? Ans what do you mean by get rid of it? Where will it go? | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. This answer is EXACTLY my issue. There is no exit strategy! So as much as you like to think that if you behave yourself, everything will be okay- it bloody well won’t. it will be ok....stop worying I have my home, my business and my way of life on the line. I very much hope you are right, but it’s impossible not to worry right now. True same as everyone else but worying won't change that best just to crack on " Sound business advice, I’m sure. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. Then turn your anger at the twats that can't follow the most basic of advice. If you didn't have people having raves, refusing to wear masks and organising protests, the infections would be lower and small businesses might stand a chance of making it through this. Everyone knew that there would be a rise as they reopened business, however that rise plus the rise from all the rule breaking is not sustainable. I notice you didn’t answer my question. I am thinking about all the people that will die. The vulnerable people who so many on here just want to throw under a bus, the healthy people that will get unlucky and suffer lifelong damage even though they won't die, the young people who have a health condition they don't know about and will suffer. Much as we clearly don't agree, I have no desire to see you go out of business, however there is absolutely no scenario where you and other business owners won't be affected. If people would follow advice the. You have a better chance of being able to open sooner, for longer and to stay open. If I give you a direct choice of go bust or wear a mask, which is the better option to you? Lots of ifs buts and maybe there Yes there is, because it's not something I personally directly control. It relies on the vast majority of 70 million odd people actually doing what is being asked of them and putting up with some unpleasant changes to their lives so that the end outcome is both quicker and better for everyone. This answer is EXACTLY my issue. There is no exit strategy! So as much as you like to think that if you behave yourself, everything will be okay- it bloody well won’t. it will be ok....stop worying I have my home, my business and my way of life on the line. I very much hope you are right, but it’s impossible not to worry right now. True same as everyone else but worying won't change that best just to crack on Sound business advice, I’m sure." thanks it seems to be keeping my head above water just have to adapt and over come | |||
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"As a peace loving guy, can we just bring back "the stocks". Put the idiots in them, and throw rotten fruit and veg at them. Sounds like fun for everyone! I believe this was trialled a millennia ago, with very good results "An excellent idea. Can we errect 650 of them in the vicinity of the Palace of Westminster, I know exactly where to find the occupants.... | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them Perhaps you want to live in a police state, I certainly don't. Do not want to live in anarchy do you?" In this country we have policing by consent. When such policing is misused by government to implement strong armed measures against protesting citizens.... they are really inviting anarchy, aren’t they? | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them Perhaps you want to live in a police state, I certainly don't. Do not want to live in anarchy do you? In this country we have policing by consent. When such policing is misused by government to implement strong armed measures against protesting citizens.... they are really inviting anarchy, aren’t they? " The government have legislated for the situation we are in and the protesters knew full well they were in breach of it.. The arrests were inevitable .. | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them Perhaps you want to live in a police state, I certainly don't. Do not want to live in anarchy do you? In this country we have policing by consent. When such policing is misused by government to implement strong armed measures against protesting citizens.... they are really inviting anarchy, aren’t they? The government have legislated for the situation we are in and the protesters knew full well they were in breach of it.. The arrests were inevitable .." Legislated? No they haven't. Its not gone through parliamentary, been debated or received Royal assent. Bollocks. | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them Perhaps you want to live in a police state, I certainly don't. Do not want to live in anarchy do you? In this country we have policing by consent. When such policing is misused by government to implement strong armed measures against protesting citizens.... they are really inviting anarchy, aren’t they? The government have legislated for the situation we are in and the protesters knew full well they were in breach of it.. The arrests were inevitable .. Legislated? No they haven't. Its not gone through parliamentary, been debated or received Royal assent. Bollocks." Legislation/regulation, if after being told to disperse to they ignored it then that's their own stupidity by ends why they were arrested.. | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them Perhaps you want to live in a police state, I certainly don't. Do not want to live in anarchy do you? In this country we have policing by consent. When such policing is misused by government to implement strong armed measures against protesting citizens.... they are really inviting anarchy, aren’t they? The government have legislated for the situation we are in and the protesters knew full well they were in breach of it.. The arrests were inevitable .. Legislated? No they haven't. Its not gone through parliamentary, been debated or received Royal assent. Bollocks. Legislation/regulation, if after being told to disperse to they ignored it then that's their own stupidity by ends why they were arrested.." We have a right to protest in this country. It’s covered under the European courts human rights act- you know... the one that boris is currently actively dismantling. The sort of stuff that many, including myself, stand so firmly against. | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties." Bloody well said | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. It's not all about you though and why cant some think beyond their own self interest
So who’s life are you thinking about?"The country as a whole. The sick and elderly . Who are you thinking about ? Look at your posting to remind yourself | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them Perhaps you want to live in a police state, I certainly don't. Do not want to live in anarchy do you? In this country we have policing by consent. When such policing is misused by government to implement strong armed measures against protesting citizens.... they are really inviting anarchy, aren’t they? The government have legislated for the situation we are in and the protesters knew full well they were in breach of it.. The arrests were inevitable .. Legislated? No they haven't. Its not gone through parliamentary, been debated or received Royal assent. Bollocks. Legislation/regulation, if after being told to disperse to they ignored it then that's their own stupidity by ends why they were arrested.. We have a right to protest in this country. It’s covered under the European courts human rights act- you know... the one that boris is currently actively dismantling. The sort of stuff that many, including myself, stand so firmly against. " Against the good of society though , well done but it will keep the pandemic and problems resulting from it a lot worse | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. It's not all about you though and why cant some think beyond their own self interest
So who’s life are you thinking about?
The country as a whole. The sick and elderly . Who are you thinking about ? Look at your posting to remind yourself "And who’s going to pay for the nhs to support the sick and elderly when businesses collapse and tax revenue is down? The magic money tree isn’t going to keep shedding its juicy little leaves forever, you know. Your post sums up exactly what I meant when I said about people not seeing the bigger picture. So thank you for making my point so abundantly clear. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. It's not all about you though and why cant some think beyond their own self interest
So who’s life are you thinking about?
The country as a whole. The sick and elderly . Who are you thinking about ? Look at your posting to remind yourself
And who’s going to pay for the nhs to support the sick and elderly when businesses collapse and tax revenue is down? The magic money tree isn’t going to keep shedding its juicy little leaves forever, you know.
Your post sums up exactly what I meant when I said about people not seeing the bigger picture. So thank you for making my point so abundantly clear. "Think beyond yourself , think of society as a whole this beyond your own life think beyond your own little businesses. Above all try to think of others for once ? | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. It's not all about you though and why cant some think beyond their own self interest
So who’s life are you thinking about?
The country as a whole. The sick and elderly . Who are you thinking about ? Look at your posting to remind yourself
And who’s going to pay for the nhs to support the sick and elderly when businesses collapse and tax revenue is down? The magic money tree isn’t going to keep shedding its juicy little leaves forever, you know.
Your post sums up exactly what I meant when I said about people not seeing the bigger picture. So thank you for making my point so abundantly clear.
Think beyond yourself , think of society as a whole this beyond your own life think beyond your own little businesses. Above all try to think of others for once ? "
Why cannot the selfish little business owners think beyond money ? It really shows a strange money driven attitude that has developed in this country | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
From what I heard from people who were there, the rally was peaceful, people were listening to the speakers and the police got heavy handed. "Now is not the time to have demonstrations though ? A little common sense please | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. It's not all about you though and why cant some think beyond their own self interest
So who’s life are you thinking about?
The country as a whole. The sick and elderly . Who are you thinking about ? Look at your posting to remind yourself
And who’s going to pay for the nhs to support the sick and elderly when businesses collapse and tax revenue is down? The magic money tree isn’t going to keep shedding its juicy little leaves forever, you know.
Your post sums up exactly what I meant when I said about people not seeing the bigger picture. So thank you for making my point so abundantly clear.
Think beyond yourself , think of society as a whole this beyond your own life think beyond your own little businesses. Above all try to think of others for once ? "Lol avoided my question completely I see. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
From what I heard from people who were there, the rally was peaceful, people were listening to the speakers and the police got heavy handed.
Now is not the time to have demonstrations though ? A little common sense please "Fully agree , common sense need thats all . We all need to be thinking of others and not our own self interest and how to our a buck from this . | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. It's not all about you though and why cant some think beyond their own self interest
So who’s life are you thinking about?
The country as a whole. The sick and elderly . Who are you thinking about ? Look at your posting to remind yourself
And who’s going to pay for the nhs to support the sick and elderly when businesses collapse and tax revenue is down? The magic money tree isn’t going to keep shedding its juicy little leaves forever, you know.
Your post sums up exactly what I meant when I said about people not seeing the bigger picture. So thank you for making my point so abundantly clear.
Think beyond yourself , think of society as a whole this beyond your own life think beyond your own little businesses. Above all try to think of others for once ?
Lol avoided my question completely I see. "There was no question, to put it simply : Think beyond yourself , think of society as a whole this beyond your own life think beyond your own little businesses. Above all try to think of others for once ? | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them Perhaps you want to live in a police state, I certainly don't. Do not want to live in anarchy do you? In this country we have policing by consent. When such policing is misused by government to implement strong armed measures against protesting citizens.... they are really inviting anarchy, aren’t they? The government have legislated for the situation we are in and the protesters knew full well they were in breach of it.. The arrests were inevitable .. Legislated? No they haven't. Its not gone through parliamentary, been debated or received Royal assent. Bollocks. Legislation/regulation, if after being told to disperse to they ignored it then that's their own stupidity by ends why they were arrested.. We have a right to protest in this country. It’s covered under the European courts human rights act- you know... the one that boris is currently actively dismantling. The sort of stuff that many, including myself, stand so firmly against. " We do, been on several in the past but the current situation is different, if they want to self harm then that's their choice but if they're potentially putting others health at risk that's like the lot at raves etc.. | |||
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"It's embarrassing how stupid, gullible & ignorant a lot of people are in complying with this rhetoric. It's like people have gone to bed and woke up the next day devoid of any common sense. It's amazing how arrogant and selfish the people are that won't for one second think beyond their own precious self interest. Who’s life are YOU thinking about though? Certainly not mine, and other small business owners like me who’s lives have been completely trashed. It's not all about you though and why cant some think beyond their own self interest
So who’s life are you thinking about?
The country as a whole. The sick and elderly . Who are you thinking about ? Look at your posting to remind yourself
And who’s going to pay for the nhs to support the sick and elderly when businesses collapse and tax revenue is down? The magic money tree isn’t going to keep shedding its juicy little leaves forever, you know.
Your post sums up exactly what I meant when I said about people not seeing the bigger picture. So thank you for making my point so abundantly clear.
Think beyond yourself , think of society as a whole this beyond your own life think beyond your own little businesses. Above all try to think of others for once ?
Why cannot the selfish little business owners think beyond money ? It really shows a strange money driven attitude that has developed in this country "Because if they didn’t have money. Their life and the lives of people who depend on them will all come crashing down. It’s not selfish to be worried about your livelihood. | |||
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"Well done police,should have tear gassed the lot of them Perhaps you want to live in a police state, I certainly don't. Do not want to live in anarchy do you? In this country we have policing by consent. When such policing is misused by government to implement strong armed measures against protesting citizens.... they are really inviting anarchy, aren’t they? The government have legislated for the situation we are in and the protesters knew full well they were in breach of it.. The arrests were inevitable .. Legislated? No they haven't. Its not gone through parliamentary, been debated or received Royal assent. Bollocks. Legislation/regulation, if after being told to disperse to they ignored it then that's their own stupidity by ends why they were arrested.. We have a right to protest in this country. It’s covered under the European courts human rights act- you know... the one that boris is currently actively dismantling. The sort of stuff that many, including myself, stand so firmly against. We do, been on several in the past but the current situation is different, if they want to self harm then that's their choice but if they're potentially putting others health at risk that's like the lot at raves etc.." Yes , I have been on them but really now is not the time ? | |||
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"Along with your rights come responsibilities. Anybody with the tiniest of compassion for a society trying to stop the spread of a virus as we come into winter would be able to see that. For the conspiracy theorists, you seem to pick and choose your conspiracies to suit your argument. Don't wear a mask because you don't want to confirm because it's a govt plan to control you. Yet carry and use a mobile phone for convenience from which the provider knows where you are at any time? Or use Google because it is convenient while at the same time gathering and listening to every breath you take. You'd have a smidgeon of credibility if you dismantled all conspiracies against personal "freedoms" rather than just the ones that are trying to stop the virus spreading in our communities. Just think of others for a few months and we can move on. " Perfectly put | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look "Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard. Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do. For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish. | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
Well said ..... exactly .... most of them been sat on here scaring the crap out of people .... unbelievable "Thank you - perfectly put. And its not just MY little business - its businesses up and down the country. Clearly these posters have no idea how wealth creation benefits society as a whole. | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
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"Along with your rights come responsibilities. Anybody with the tiniest of compassion for a society trying to stop the spread of a virus as we come into winter would be able to see that. For the conspiracy theorists, you seem to pick and choose your conspiracies to suit your argument. Don't wear a mask because you don't want to confirm because it's a govt plan to control you. Yet carry and use a mobile phone for convenience from which the provider knows where you are at any time? Or use Google because it is convenient while at the same time gathering and listening to every breath you take. You'd have a smidgeon of credibility if you dismantled all conspiracies against personal "freedoms" rather than just the ones that are trying to stop the virus spreading in our communities. Just think of others for a few months and we can move on. " Oh, another one of the 'anyone who disagrees with this must be a nut' brigade. Hint - we're not all nuts. Most of us aren't nuts. We're people who can see past the rhetoric and blizzard of scary headlines and actually think for ourselves. We're not denying the virus, we're mostly pro-vaccination and we're not claiming it's some kind of conspiracy. We're saying that what's been done didn't work. We're saying it's causing more harm than it's preventing. We're saying it's time to accept reality & move on. And we're not alone... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54228649 | |||
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"Along with your rights come responsibilities. Anybody with the tiniest of compassion for a society trying to stop the spread of a virus as we come into winter would be able to see that. For the conspiracy theorists, you seem to pick and choose your conspiracies to suit your argument. Don't wear a mask because you don't want to confirm because it's a govt plan to control you. Yet carry and use a mobile phone for convenience from which the provider knows where you are at any time? Or use Google because it is convenient while at the same time gathering and listening to every breath you take. You'd have a smidgeon of credibility if you dismantled all conspiracies against personal "freedoms" rather than just the ones that are trying to stop the virus spreading in our communities. Just think of others for a few months and we can move on. Oh, another one of the 'anyone who disagrees with this must be a nut' brigade. Hint - we're not all nuts. Most of us aren't nuts. We're people who can see past the rhetoric and blizzard of scary headlines and actually think for ourselves. We're not denying the virus, we're mostly pro-vaccination and we're not claiming it's some kind of conspiracy. We're saying that what's been done didn't work. We're saying it's causing more harm than it's preventing. We're saying it's time to accept reality & move on. And we're not alone... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54228649 " The voice of reason. Thank god! | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
Well said ..... exactly .... most of them been sat on here scaring the crap out of people .... unbelievable
Thank you - perfectly put. And its not just MY little business - its businesses up and down the country. Clearly these posters have no idea how wealth creation benefits society as a whole. "Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change.. Not going to include those who rant on about police state, 5g and bizarre master plan etc.. People making spurious accusations just entrenches opinions.. | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
Well said ..... exactly .... most of them been sat on here scaring the crap out of people .... unbelievable
Thank you - perfectly put. And its not just MY little business - its businesses up and down the country. Clearly these posters have no idea how wealth creation benefits society as a whole.
Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change..
Not going to include those who rant on about police state, 5g and bizarre master plan etc..
People making spurious accusations just entrenches opinions..""Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change.." Im not quite sure what you mean by this or what you mean by "spurious accusations" As for people who are opposed to my opinion, Im perfectly happy to adjust my thinking when challenged. Take a look at the hunting thread I started - I spoke to people and gained a greater understanding. Its a good example of where Im happy to engage in debate, accept information and learn that, although I am still no hunting fun, my argument was wrong footed. | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
Well said ..... exactly .... most of them been sat on here scaring the crap out of people .... unbelievable
Thank you - perfectly put. And its not just MY little business - its businesses up and down the country. Clearly these posters have no idea how wealth creation benefits society as a whole.
Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change..
Not going to include those who rant on about police state, 5g and bizarre master plan etc..
People making spurious accusations just entrenches opinions..
"Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change.."
Im not quite sure what you mean by this or what you mean by "spurious accusations"
As for people who are opposed to my opinion, Im perfectly happy to adjust my thinking when challenged. Take a look at the hunting thread I started - I spoke to people and gained a greater understanding. Its a good example of where Im happy to engage in debate, accept information and learn that, although I am still no hunting fun, my argument was wrong footed.
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
Well said ..... exactly .... most of them been sat on here scaring the crap out of people .... unbelievable
Thank you - perfectly put. And its not just MY little business - its businesses up and down the country. Clearly these posters have no idea how wealth creation benefits society as a whole.
Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change..
Not going to include those who rant on about police state, 5g and bizarre master plan etc..
People making spurious accusations just entrenches opinions..
"Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change.."
Im not quite sure what you mean by this or what you mean by "spurious accusations"
As for people who are opposed to my opinion, Im perfectly happy to adjust my thinking when challenged. Take a look at the hunting thread I started - I spoke to people and gained a greater understanding. Its a good example of where Im happy to engage in debate, accept information and learn that, although I am still no hunting fun, my argument was wrong footed.
Apologies for not being more concise, it's wrong to assume that posters have no idea about wealth creation..
Spurious accusations was more aimed at the poster who said people are sitting on their arses making up crap to scare people to which you agreed.."I asked the question twice - who pays for the sick and the elderly? Not had an answer yet, so can only assume there isn’t one forthcoming. As for spurious accusations, how about selfish, bratty, idiot, wanker, no moral compass, need a kick up the arse and people feeling sorry for my kids. That’s just the insults thrown at me (or people who have posited the same opinions as me) that I can think of off the top of my head. I think those are pretty “spurious“ accusations too. Although I’m not sure that the word “spurious” is correct in either of our arguments tbh!! | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
Well said ..... exactly .... most of them been sat on here scaring the crap out of people .... unbelievable
Thank you - perfectly put. And its not just MY little business - its businesses up and down the country. Clearly these posters have no idea how wealth creation benefits society as a whole.
Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change..
Not going to include those who rant on about police state, 5g and bizarre master plan etc..
People making spurious accusations just entrenches opinions..
"Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change.."
Im not quite sure what you mean by this or what you mean by "spurious accusations"
As for people who are opposed to my opinion, Im perfectly happy to adjust my thinking when challenged. Take a look at the hunting thread I started - I spoke to people and gained a greater understanding. Its a good example of where Im happy to engage in debate, accept information and learn that, although I am still no hunting fun, my argument was wrong footed.
Apologies for not being more concise, it's wrong to assume that posters have no idea about wealth creation..
Spurious accusations was more aimed at the poster who said people are sitting on their arses making up crap to scare people to which you agreed..
I asked the question twice - who pays for the sick and the elderly? Not had an answer yet, so can only assume there isn’t one forthcoming.
As for spurious accusations, how about selfish, bratty, idiot, wanker, no moral compass, need a kick up the arse and people feeling sorry for my kids. That’s just the insults thrown at me (or people who have posited the same opinions as me) that I can think of off the top of my head. I think those are pretty “spurious“ accusations too. Although I’m not sure that the word “spurious” is correct in either of our arguments tbh!! "Daisy, an not wanting to get into a review upon who said what to whom, why and when. for the record have said when you got abuse by PM it was wrong.. | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
Well said ..... exactly .... most of them been sat on here scaring the crap out of people .... unbelievable
Thank you - perfectly put. And its not just MY little business - its businesses up and down the country. Clearly these posters have no idea how wealth creation benefits society as a whole.
Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change..
Not going to include those who rant on about police state, 5g and bizarre master plan etc..
People making spurious accusations just entrenches opinions..
"Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change.."
Im not quite sure what you mean by this or what you mean by "spurious accusations"
As for people who are opposed to my opinion, Im perfectly happy to adjust my thinking when challenged. Take a look at the hunting thread I started - I spoke to people and gained a greater understanding. Its a good example of where Im happy to engage in debate, accept information and learn that, although I am still no hunting fun, my argument was wrong footed.
Apologies for not being more concise, it's wrong to assume that posters have no idea about wealth creation..
Spurious accusations was more aimed at the poster who said people are sitting on their arses making up crap to scare people to which you agreed..
I asked the question twice - who pays for the sick and the elderly? Not had an answer yet, so can only assume there isn’t one forthcoming.
As for spurious accusations, how about selfish, bratty, idiot, wanker, no moral compass, need a kick up the arse and people feeling sorry for my kids. That’s just the insults thrown at me (or people who have posited the same opinions as me) that I can think of off the top of my head. I think those are pretty “spurious“ accusations too. Although I’m not sure that the word “spurious” is correct in either of our arguments tbh!!
Daisy, an not wanting to get into a review upon who said what to whom, why and when. for the record have said when you got abuse by PM it was wrong..
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
Well said ..... exactly .... most of them been sat on here scaring the crap out of people .... unbelievable
Thank you - perfectly put. And its not just MY little business - its businesses up and down the country. Clearly these posters have no idea how wealth creation benefits society as a whole.
Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change..
Not going to include those who rant on about police state, 5g and bizarre master plan etc..
People making spurious accusations just entrenches opinions..
"Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change.."
Im not quite sure what you mean by this or what you mean by "spurious accusations"
As for people who are opposed to my opinion, Im perfectly happy to adjust my thinking when challenged. Take a look at the hunting thread I started - I spoke to people and gained a greater understanding. Its a good example of where Im happy to engage in debate, accept information and learn that, although I am still no hunting fun, my argument was wrong footed.
Apologies for not being more concise, it's wrong to assume that posters have no idea about wealth creation..
Spurious accusations was more aimed at the poster who said people are sitting on their arses making up crap to scare people to which you agreed..
I asked the question twice - who pays for the sick and the elderly? Not had an answer yet, so can only assume there isn’t one forthcoming.
As for spurious accusations, how about selfish, bratty, idiot, wanker, no moral compass, need a kick up the arse and people feeling sorry for my kids. That’s just the insults thrown at me (or people who have posited the same opinions as me) that I can think of off the top of my head. I think those are pretty “spurious“ accusations too. Although I’m not sure that the word “spurious” is correct in either of our arguments tbh!!
Daisy, an not wanting to get into a review upon who said what to whom, why and when. for the record have said when you got abuse by PM it was wrong..
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"I thought I was the only one. I’ve also noticed everyone who’s against the protests go quiet on the matter of potential large crowds at the football etc. " Err no... Encouraging large crowds anywhere is not only inconsistent but freaking madness right now. Football especially.. On the one hand paying players 2m a month. Whilst on the other whining and complaining they can't afford it... And in the next breath signing a contract to commit themselves to more money they cant afford.... (OK ok... You can say the same about the affordability lots of govt decisions right now too).. It reminds me of the analogy of someone who speaks 4 languages....who on the one hand if at millfield school is a language genius Sebastian... Or if pulled off a building site to check his papers... A sponging itinerant. Context and perception is reality. | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Now that is as selfish as anything I've ever heard.
Have you ever owned or run a business, I'm betting not. Owning a business is not 9-5 & pick up your wages at the end of the month. Owning a business is a 24/7 lifestyle. It literally becomes the centre of everything you do.
For you to suggest anyone who's invested their entire life into building a buisness is being selfish by wanting to protect it against a bunch of entitled fear mongers who have mostly sat on their arses for the past 6 months getting paid by the treasury for doing sod all is every bit as selfish.
Well said ..... exactly .... most of them been sat on here scaring the crap out of people .... unbelievable
Thank you - perfectly put. And its not just MY little business - its businesses up and down the country. Clearly these posters have no idea how wealth creation benefits society as a whole.
Daisy that's wrong, as is others assuming that anyone else opposed to your own and others here who want things to change..
Not going to include those who rant on about police state, 5g and bizarre master plan etc..
People making spurious accusations just entrenches opinions.."
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"Our greatest liberty is the respect for human life. Those on this forum and site who feel we are entering a police state - give your heads a wobble. Covid exists. It is an existential threat to our way of life, our actual lives and the futures of our children. The Govt is trying (and making mistakes) to do its duty to protect citizens. That is why govt exists. You voted to ensure this happens. Curfews, masks, closures, restrictions on gathering are part of an effort to stop the transmission of a virus that will kill. As soon as the need for the regulations passes they will be removed. The primary legislation is temporary (due for renewal in Oct). Previous uses of temporary emergency powers were all lifted when the need passed, most notably WW2 (we don’t see the compulsory carrying of gas masks anymore...) Grow up and accept your social responsibility to others - value their life as much as you presumably value yours - wear a mask. Simple. " Suns it up perfectly. Meanwhile we have to make sure everyone is doing their social duty too ! | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look "Have run my own company hiring equipment in to the london Theater sector for some 25years am about to lose the lot if nothing changes buy the end of the month all staff will be made redundant at least 4 are renting that I know of so 4 families home less and I might lose my home 25 years all for nothing | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Have run my own company hiring equipment in to the london Theater sector for some 25years am about to lose the lot if nothing changes buy the end of the month all staff will be made redundant at least 4 are renting that I know of so 4 families home less and I might lose my home
25 years all for nothing "That's very sad and I feel for you. But as someone who's lost everything already... Everything changes and in your case it certainly wasn't all for nothing. You've had 25 great years and provided for yourself and others for 25 years. | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look
Have run my own company hiring equipment in to the london Theater sector for some 25years am about to lose the lot if nothing changes buy the end of the month all staff will be made redundant at least 4 are renting that I know of so 4 families home less and I might lose my home
25 years all for nothing
That's very sad and I feel for you. But as someone who's lost everything already... Everything changes and in your case it certainly wasn't all for nothing. You've had 25 great years and provided for yourself and others for 25 years. "Dose not feel like that right now. No work, no money, no house, pension, no fucher guess it will be benefits with lots of others | |||
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"First time we needed to to get prepared, fair enough. Now we need to be in a new phase. Zero restrictions. But everyone who is vulnerable should be protected at great costs. It’s time to move on.
It’s time to get over the rainbow. "You can’t protect the vulnerable and also have zero restrictions. | |||
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"Business will recover or businesses will soon fill the gap of those that are lost. Think beyond your own business world , there is life outside the $. Take a look "What a piece of work you are. | |||
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"Our greatest liberty is the respect for human life. Those on this forum and site who feel we are entering a police state - give your heads a wobble. Covid exists. " Yes, covid exists. And I have the utmost respect for human life. So far, so good. " It is an existential threat to our way of life, our actual lives and the futures of our children. " Oh dear. What a load of bollocks. The threat to our way of life is from government by dictat rather than debate. Covid isn't going to wipe out humanity or destroy civilization as we know it. You're talking about a virus with a current cfr of around 2 - 3%, not anywhere near what would make it the sort of threat you're describing. Try reading some of the science instead of the headlines. " The Govt is trying (and making mistakes) to do its duty to protect citizens. That is why govt exists. You voted to ensure this happens. " Yes, ALL citizens. Try not to forget that. " Curfews, masks, closures, restrictions on gathering are part of an effort to stop the transmission of a virus that will kill. " An effort that failed. 99% compliance with lockdown and still the virus is here. Not what I'd call a success story. " As soon as the need for the regulations passes they will be removed. The primary legislation is temporary (due for renewal in Oct). Previous uses of temporary emergency powers were all lifted when the need passed, most notably WW2 (we don’t see the compulsory carrying of gas masks anymore...) " I'm glad you're so sure. Seems even their own people aren't... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54232375 " Grow up and accept your social responsibility to others - value their life as much as you presumably value yours - wear a mask. Simple. " Social responsibility extends to protecting society from being destroyed by those who whether through fear, ineptitude or malice would destroy it simply because they don't know what else to do. | |||
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"Given a medical degree, 30 years practice and specialism in related fields I think I know what the science is. The existential threat I describe is from a virus that is capable of rates of transmission that exceed SARS. In addition, the mortality rate is not understood or clear - but if we overlay the rate we saw in feb-June then we can reliably estimate 150k-800k deaths during the two year course of a pandemic. Do not believe everything you read. Whilst therapeutics have improved, the end game is that for those with even fairly monies chronic illnesses this virus is a killer. Wrap a few bodies, break the news to a few relatives, make the choice between patient a or b and you will understand the reality of what is coming and what happened at the start of the year. Do not deny the evidence that I saw with my own eyes, or the reality of the interventions that failed. " I think this is a lot more informative and revalant than the pseudo docs / armchair expert/ conspiracy theory nuts/ disbelievers / armchair warriors who think they know more than the experts ! | |||
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"Given a medical degree, 30 years practice and specialism in related fields I think I know what the science is. The existential threat I describe is from a virus that is capable of rates of transmission that exceed SARS. In addition, the mortality rate is not understood or clear - but if we overlay the rate we saw in feb-June then we can reliably estimate 150k-800k deaths during the two year course of a pandemic. Do not believe everything you read. Whilst therapeutics have improved, the end game is that for those with even fairly monies chronic illnesses this virus is a killer. Wrap a few bodies, break the news to a few relatives, make the choice between patient a or b and you will understand the reality of what is coming and what happened at the start of the year. Do not deny the evidence that I saw with my own eyes, or the reality of the interventions that failed. " You surely know that a repeat of previous death rates is unlikely so why use numbers intended to scare people? You'll also note I clearly stated the current case fatality rate - I'm very well aware you can't determine the actual mortality rate till after the emergent phase of the illness has passed. Even the rate of 2 - 3 % I used is higher than many current estimates which put it at around 1 - 2 %. Hardly the 'existential threat' you claim it is. I most certainly don't believe everything I read, in fact I'm very selective especially since I'm making decisions affecting my own health & the health of my family based it. I suspect we both read many of the same publications. Nor would I ever (and have never) attempted to deny evidence or downplay the hardships & grief covid has caused. As far as I'm aware there were no instances in the uk where doctors had to chose between patients, I know this happened overseas but I've seen no reports of it here. If you have then I fully accept that but it's not something that's been reported. The body of evidence strongly indicates covid is a significant risk for a small minority of the overall population. Lockdowns are a risk for the entire population. There is no guarantee of a vaccine so we're faced with an unpalatable choice. We've chosen different sides. We do differ in our views. That doesn't mean I don't respect and understand yours, I do however disagree with it. The control measures are disproportionate to the threat posed by the virus. Whether the are disproportionate in relation to the availabiltiy of care is a completely different debate. | |||
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"Ps - of course the virus is here. It’s a virus! Smallpox still exists, we have contained it. A nil rate is not realistic (eradicating smallpox transmission took 50 years) but we have to endeavour to prevent huge spikes that will overwhelm health services and lead to greater mortality in other fields because treatment and beds are not available. Choices. " Indeed we need to contain now with a full shutdown | |||
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"Ps - of course the virus is here. It’s a virus! Smallpox still exists, we have contained it. A nil rate is not realistic (eradicating smallpox transmission took 50 years) but we have to endeavour to prevent huge spikes that will overwhelm health services and lead to greater mortality in other fields because treatment and beds are not available. Choices. Indeed we need to contain now with a full shutdown " Who is going to pay for that ? | |||
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"Ps - of course the virus is here. It’s a virus! Smallpox still exists, we have contained it. A nil rate is not realistic (eradicating smallpox transmission took 50 years) but we have to endeavour to prevent huge spikes that will overwhelm health services and lead to greater mortality in other fields because treatment and beds are not available. Choices. Indeed we need to contain now with a full shutdown Who is going to pay for that ?" We all do eventually | |||
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"All the keyboards sociopaths on here, “fuck everyone else I’ll do what I want, survival of the fittest, screw the pensioners”. I have a feeling they think they look like brave freedom fighters but all I see are children having tantrums because mummy won’t let them have some sweeties. Who said screw the pensioners? Who said survival of the fittest? So you're a sociopath for wanting freedom? Jeso. Bizarre. Keep drinking the Kool Aid and listening to Wakefield and Icke, big guy." Gimme an argument. | |||
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"Police and protesters clash during a heated anti-vaccination, anti-Lockdown demonstration in London. Protesters chanted "choose your side" at the resist and act for Freedom rally in Trafalgar Square. Rally Organiser, Kate Shemirani addressed the crowd at the rally. And yet people mourning about restrictions from government and all...
Why the fuck we in the middle of the COVID19 crisis, we trying our best to stop the spread of this deadly virus by not touching each other and, and someone has to come of organising a rally.
You know what..... Sometimes when I look at dogs, and said to my self... This animal are much more intelligent than human beings.
They did invent one of the best sexual positions so you might be onto something. "Horses deserve some credit too (reverse and forward cowgirl!) | |||
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