FabSwingers.com forum: The End of Covid ?

By *aughtiness69 OP Couple
over a year ago

Kinmel bay

OK, bare with me here. This is a question and not a statement of fact.

I only see three ways out of the current pandemic;

1: Carry on as things are (lockdowns etc) which I have heard not 100% belive they won't be paying furrow again.

Either way it will drive up unemployment which in turn drives up crime rates.

2: vacine - projected around mid 2021 at least.

3: everyone just goes about life as normal and forget about covid, creating heard immunity.

I would hate 3 to become a reality.

I also think that as others have stated masks are contributing to the spikes seen lately as a false sense of security is given and people forget about touching there face etc.

What are others thoughts on these points?

And bonus question, when do you think this will end ?

I dont subscribe to the whole "its life and let it be" these are people that are dying needlessly. Family's ruined.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"OK, bare with me here. This is a question and not a statement of fact.

I only see three ways out of the current pandemic;

1: Carry on as things are (lockdowns etc) which I have heard not 100% belive they won't be paying furrow again.

Either way it will drive up unemployment which in turn drives up crime rates.

2: vacine - projected around mid 2021 at least.

3: everyone just goes about life as normal and forget about covid, creating heard immunity.

I would hate 3 to become a reality.

I also think that as others have stated masks are contributing to the spikes seen lately as a false sense of security is given and people forget about touching there face etc.

What are others thoughts on these points?

And bonus question, when do you think this will end ?

I dont subscribe to the whole "its life and let it be" these are people that are dying needlessly. Family's ruined.

"I also think that as others have stated masks are contributing to the spikes seen lately as a false sense of security is given and people forget about touching there face etc"...

Completely agree. Supermarket shoppers used to dodge each other . Now they think the mask makes them invincible.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

But we won't. We fight, moan and find anyone other than ourselves to blame for spreading sars-cov-2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

Herd immunity is the only realistic option.

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By *akrox23Couple
over a year ago

notts

I work in public health and COVID isn’t going anywhere fast - vaccine or no vaccine, sorry! I see it like a pebble in in a lake the waves will spread out, big at first and gradually smaller and more infrequent. We are on the 2nd wave so still right at the beginning of the pandemic. But gradually probably over the next yr after another ? waves I believe cases will reduce and outbreaks become less frequent and at some point thereafter life will begin to return to something resembling normality. COvid will still be around just like normal flu and will still kill just not in the numbers we have seen. It’s going to be a long winter. stay safe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK, bare with me here. This is a question and not a statement of fact.

I only see three ways out of the current pandemic;

1: Carry on as things are (lockdowns etc) which I have heard not 100% belive they won't be paying furrow again.

Either way it will drive up unemployment which in turn drives up crime rates.

2: vacine - projected around mid 2021 at least.

3: everyone just goes about life as normal and forget about covid, creating heard immunity.

I would hate 3 to become a reality.

I also think that as others have stated masks are contributing to the spikes seen lately as a false sense of security is given and people forget about touching there face etc.

What are others thoughts on these points?

And bonus question, when do you think this will end ?

I dont subscribe to the whole "its life and let it be" these are people that are dying needlessly. Family's ruined.

"I also think that as others have stated masks are contributing to the spikes seen lately as a false sense of security is given and people forget about touching there face etc"...

Completely agree. Supermarket shoppers used to dodge each other . Now they think the mask makes them invincible."

the use of masks outside of a medical/health/social care setting is questionable at best

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By *r_FaustusMan
over a year ago

Northampton

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP? "

Because if we just let the virus run, the NHS will be overwhelmed in short order, and we will see 400-600000 deaths from COVID, plus “collateral damage” from patients with other conditions being unable to get the care they need.

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By *r_FaustusMan
over a year ago

Northampton

the use of masks outside of a medical/health/social care setting is questionable at best "

Seeing it from the other side: is there a good reason *not* to wear a mask (properly), if it protects those around you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So we all know by now that this virus will only effect a very small percentage of us and that is the elderly or people with other serious health issues but the rest of people it will merely feel like a cold or not even have any symptoms at all.

So instead of letting goverment just tell us what we are having to do (lock downs etc) which will result in killing many thousands of others as covid takes priority in the hospitals again and other illnesses get neglected, suicides, mental health.

Not to mention the destruction of the economy as i doubt there will be a 2nd furlough scheme.

So why dont we simply give a voice to those elderly or vulnerable people and give them 3 options...

1. Lock the whole country down again for everyone, in order to sheild and protect the very small number that would be effected worse by the virus.

Every loses personal contact from various loved ones again.

2. Let all the healthy people and those that wont be effected by this virus keep the economy going and carry on with life as normal.

The elderly and vulnerable shield themselfs and go without personal contact from there loved ones and goverment use some of the millions they are currently wasting on a better way to help these people shield.

3. Everyone and everything just goes back to normal, no loss of contact from loved ones, shield if you want to by choice but if you dont want to thats your choice, your risk.

Just like smoking is a choice, just like getting in a car is a choice, just like eating vad foods and drinking alcohol is a choice (all things that can be harmful to us).

Ive spoke to quite a few elderly now and most have all said option 3 with a handful of option 2's

So before the goverments go fucking everything up even more, maybe they should start asking the vulnerable and hearing what they want.

Because im yet to meet a elderly person that wants everyone locked down just to protect them as they see the deaths it causes in other areas and the devastation on the economy which will effect generations to come.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

But we won't. We fight, moan and find anyone other than ourselves to blame for spreading sars-cov-2

further and further...

It's been said before... And I didn't agree with it... But I've been flipped. We have a large number of genuinely stupid and / or selfish idiots in our midst. It's a scary indictment of our populations ability to understand and adapt. As kids we were always told to be careful spreading germs, it seems that bit of parenting has dropped off. Education certainly is needed. And where necessary enforcement.

Linked... I wonder how often all those perspex screens in shops get sanitised? Properly sanitised as opposed to a filthy cloth smeared around it in a race to get home at the end of a long hard shift.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Managed containment and reduction of numbers is the right approach to prevent what could be catastrophic. Many people with mild symptoms and no comorbid conditions have health problems for several months after, its often not a couple of sniffs and it's gone.

We don't know how the winter will be for us but testing and tracing, with isolation that's fast, is still a right part of the strategy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

But we won't. We fight, moan and find anyone other than ourselves to blame for spreading sars-cov-2

further and further...

Linked... I wonder how often all those perspex screens in shops get sanitised? Properly sanitised as opposed to a filthy cloth smeared around it in a race to get home at the end of a long hard shift. "

Conversation in Tesco yesterday from two people not wearing masks to the manager.

"our kayleigh has covid so has to isolate for 10 days"

"Have you been tested"

"Can't get one anywhere, I haven't got it, I'd know if I had it"

"Don't understand why I'm not allowed back in work for a fortnight. Ballache"

In short people have given up. Couldn't believe my ears.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

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How and when do people think keeping physically apart from each other will end, will there be a time again when we are safe and comfortable not social distancing?

0ne day will this be in the past or will it be part of how we relate to other forever now?

I'm a very tactile person and really enjoyed being able to visit family and friends without restrictions and sharing a "from the heart" hug, that's the part of me that I constantly feel is suffering the a daily loss.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

The public health messaging that was everywhere 6 months ago has basically disappeared. There are plenty of people out there that think licking their fingers clean after a KFC is sufficient. If you don't remind them of the problem then it doesn't compute with them.

That advertising needs to be pushed just as hard again before the cold weather hits.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"So we all know by now that this virus will only effect a very small percentage of us and that is the elderly or people with other serious health issues but the rest of people it will merely feel like a cold or not even have any symptoms at all."

No, you are wrong!

Covid-19 can and does effect people of every age for children and even babies, not just the eldery and those with serious health issues. At least one child who recovered from Covid-19 has been left with heart and lung problems, in the main it does effect certain groups more than others but no one is immune to the effects of Covid

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"OK, bare with me here. This is a question and not a statement of fact.

I only see three ways out of the current pandemic;

1: Carry on as things are (lockdowns etc) which I have heard not 100% belive they won't be paying furrow again.

Either way it will drive up unemployment which in turn drives up crime rates.

2: vacine - projected around mid 2021 at least.

3: everyone just goes about life as normal and forget about covid, creating heard immunity.

I would hate 3 to become a reality.

I also think that as others have stated masks are contributing to the spikes seen lately as a false sense of security is given and people forget about touching there face etc.

What are others thoughts on these points?

And bonus question, when do you think this will end ?

I dont subscribe to the whole "its life and let it be" these are people that are dying needlessly. Family's ruined.

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just get on with life the death rate is actually a very low %. You can’t get rid of colds and flu we have tried for years and have never been able to do it. So in reality we have two options

1. Ruin the life of 66 million people and carry on with pointless lockdowns and restrictions

2. Get back to normal invest in the NHS and impact the life’s of small % of the population

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, you are wrong!

You are talking about very rase cases.

The fact is this virus has very little impact on the vast majority of the population.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

No, you are wrong!

You are talking about very rase cases.

The fact is this virus has very little impact on the vast majority of the population."

I think it's far too early to know fully what the impacts are for those who have had it even the scientific bods are saying that..

And it can't yet be said that it's had little impact health wise on the vast majority of the population when we don't even have the means to know how many have had it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw an interesting video on the effectiveness of masks,a chap simply was blowing an ecig aerosol through them so you could visibly see what the air did and whether it caught any of the aerosol parts (larger than a virus) they were pretty useless in reality the only thing you could say is they maybe disrupted the airflow and it didn't go as far when it escaped.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

OK I'll rephrase: is it herd immunity you're against OP or the method by which it is attained? IMO herd immunity attained through present strategies (ie controlling speed of spread) would be an amazing solution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I saw an interesting video on the effectiveness of masks,a chap simply was blowing an ecig aerosol through them so you could visibly see what the air did and whether it caught any of the aerosol parts (larger than a virus) they were pretty useless in reality the only thing you could say is they maybe disrupted the airflow and it didn't go as far when it escaped."

Perhaps a more comparable one would be to use a spray

. The mode of transmission of the virus is via droplets.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

People who talk confidently about the ‘facts’ of Covid’s effect on the population, when this is an entirely novel virus with no definitive long term population data to draw on, simply reveal their own ignorance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

That could go someway to solving the unemployment issue though, ok not every unemployed person will get a job when this settles but 400 to 600000 could.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps a more comparable one would be to use a spray

. The mode of transmission of the virus is via droplets. "

Oops you stated aerosol

That'll teach me for scan reading.

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By *unkym34Man
over a year ago

London

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

What about all the people that have not been able to get operations or treatments For other issues due to lock down That have died already and will continue to and those that have been scared witless by all this crap that have not been for checkups or to see their GPS and will now have undiagnosed illnesses some of which will lead to death what about the increase in dimentia, obisety, diabetics that have all been cause by lockdown and can and will results in deaths. What about people mental health which has been seriously impacted by lock down and will

Continue to be very badley impacted due to unemployment, what about children’s mental health and education that has been severely impacted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

Continue to be very badley impacted due to unemployment, what about children’s mental health and education that has been severely impacted "
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Unfortunately some people are very short sighted and only deal in the here and now hence why the world has always had long term problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The end of covid will never happen, it's going to be here as long as humans wander the planet it's a Corona family virus mutation mutation mutation is there motto

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

Continue to be very badley impacted due to unemployment, what about children’s mental health and education that has been severely impacted "

The previous poster said all that in one word - collateral.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

But we won't. We fight, moan and find anyone other than ourselves to blame for spreading sars-cov-2

further and further...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People who talk confidently about the ‘facts’ of Covid’s effect on the population, when this is an entirely novel virus with no definitive long term population data to draw on, simply reveal their own ignorance."

Karen knows.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

I don't know about the UK, but in America covid will end, early morning November 4th

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know about the UK, but in America covid will end, early morning November 4th

Trump knows!

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

It's soooo political, Demonrat Nashville Mayor’s Office Kept ‘Low COVID Cases’ from Bars and Restaurants a ‘Secret’ from Public to keep them shut down upto the election, to screw the economy, he's just been busted..... Hancock is an angel compared to this sucker

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No, you are wrong!

You are talking about very rase cases.

The fact is this virus has very little impact on the vast majority of the population."

You can't state that as a 'fact'. Researchers are just beginning to get to understand this but we only have evidence over a very short period of time to be able to get to grips with so far.

We know that it causes long-term damage to people, outside of those who have just been ill but not died. We also know that immunity may be short-lived, so we don't yet know what the compound damage is, from repeat infections that may happen.

It just seems that there are a few people who just want to give up and lead a carefree existence. Perhaps they should be allowed that after a year or more working with people who are infected, where they can provide the evidence that's needed to back up their claims and demands. There are many places in the world where they can be positioned amongst vulnerable ethnic groups who don't have the benefits of the health services that we do. Even a few months amongst deprived ethnic minority groups in the USA, lacking health insurance would be a fine starting point, before extending their imposition onto everyone, except a tiny few, to just getting to live as we did before this arrived.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Or are pushing an agenda..

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"what about the increase in dimentia, obisety, diabetics that have all been cause by lockdown and can and will results in deaths. "

Diabetes is not caused by lockdown, obesity was a 'thing' before lockdown and will be afterwards.

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By *ichelle999Couple
over a year ago

leicester

This is down to us human beings because of the way we are built and the way we are programed we don't listen we don't like to be told what to do each and everyone of us as a part to play in this to social distance to wear are mask to think every time we go out to be sensible until that happens we will never get this down to a level we are all comfortable we see it every day supermarkets people threw pure lazyness cutting across people because they can't be asked to take them few steps more to get passed people queuing up inches away from each other because they think it will get them in quicker in the toilet in the pub 5 people come in only 1 wash after finishing people not using tissue to stop that cough or sneeze because we can point the finger at the powers to be and blame them but we are the spreaders because we simply can not think or we listen to some do gooder who says it's not real face masks down by are chin or under are nose because it's to hard to pull up every single one of us have to do our bit to save someone else's mother farther grandparents brother sister

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"This is down to us human beings because of the way we are built and the way we are programed we don't listen we don't like to be told what to do each and everyone of us as a part to play in this to social distance to wear are mask to think every time we go out to be sensible until that happens we will never get this down to a level we are all comfortable we see it every day supermarkets people threw pure lazyness cutting across people because they can't be asked to take them few steps more to get passed people queuing up inches away from each other because they think it will get them in quicker in the toilet in the pub 5 people come in only 1 wash after finishing people not using tissue to stop that cough or sneeze because we can point the finger at the powers to be and blame them but we are the spreaders because we simply can not think or we listen to some do gooder who says it's not real face masks down by are chin or under are nose because it's to hard to pull up every single one of us have to do our bit to save someone else's mother farther grandparents brother sister "

I'd love to know when doing good became a derogatory term.

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By *tartingoutlondonCouple
over a year ago

London

OP is missing out a fourth option - mass, rapid testing. Lateral flow tests in the hands of everybody, allowing instant testing before going to a club, restaurant, event, etc. could shatter the R rate and drop the virus to nothing with wide enough usage.

There are a few options that are almost good enough now such as 30 minute tests, and cheap tests with 70% accuracy, but they are not quite there yet. If nothing else works, they are a viable way out in the mid-distant future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

That advertising needs to be pushed just as hard again before the cold weather hits. "

I do begin to wonder how 67 million people in this country have survived to the age they are. The level of general intelligence I've witnessed is scarily low....

And then we wonder why virus is spiraling up again....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

That advertising needs to be pushed just as hard again before the cold weather hits.

I do begin to wonder how 67 million people in this country have survived to the age they are. The level of general intelligence I've witnessed is scarily low....

And then we wonder why virus is spiraling up again...."

Sadly, not using the intellect one was born with, is not an underlying issue

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

But we won't. We fight, moan and find anyone other than ourselves to blame for spreading sars-cov-2

further and further...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP is missing out a fourth option - mass, rapid testing. Lateral flow tests in the hands of everybody, allowing instant testing before going to a club, restaurant, event, etc. could shatter the R rate and drop the virus to nothing with wide enough usage.

Not forgetting the 20 second test that looks to work. Trialled at Heathrow successfully.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

That advertising needs to be pushed just as hard again before the cold weather hits.

I do begin to wonder how 67 million people in this country have survived to the age they are. The level of general intelligence I've witnessed is scarily low....

And then we wonder why virus is spiraling up again...."
All very true,people just decide that the problems are Boris,conspiracy theories and bloody mindness.

If you look at the countries that have done better it is that people have been complient to instructions given and used common sense.

The Swedes did all we where meant to do wothout being told,they protected themeslves,same in places like Singapore.

Here many are bloody minded.

It is easy to blame Boris but all over the world the message to the people is basically the same whatever political system is in place.

Of course there are exeptions ie Brazil but the people of the UK do not help themselves,just everybody else.

Keep distance,wash hands etc so simple what is the problem?

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By *aughtiness69 OP Couple
over a year ago

Kinmel bay

The amount of deaths, dont get me wrong it may be the only option but itsnot a nice thought, unless there is a vacine

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By *aughtiness69 OP Couple
over a year ago

Kinmel bay

I didnt even know that the testing had advanced so far, that would be a fantastic 4th option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

That advertising needs to be pushed just as hard again before the cold weather hits.

I do begin to wonder how 67 million people in this country have survived to the age they are. The level of general intelligence I've witnessed is scarily low....

And then we wonder why virus is spiraling up again....All very true,people just decide that the problems are Boris,conspiracy theories and bloody mindness.

If you look at the countries that have done better it is that people have been complient to instructions given and used common sense.

The Swedes did all we where meant to do wothout being told,they protected themeslves,same in places like Singapore.

Here many are bloody minded.

It is easy to blame Boris but all over the world the message to the people is basically the same whatever political system is in place.

Of course there are exeptions ie Brazil but the people of the UK do not help themselves,just everybody else.

Keep distance,wash hands etc so simple what is the problem?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. We have no choice but to re lock down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think that the so called bloody government acts to late as per normal they think of money before general population it's about time somebody blew them up think we should resuect guy Fawkes Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should respect the general public opinion and do as we want that's a total shut down again save lives don't care about just black lives matter it's all lives matter and the sooner PPL understand that the better yes it's going to take time to recover but I for one think that it's important to shut down pubs and restaurants and clubs and bars

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"1. We have no choice but to re lock down "

Ok think it's coming given the r rate is being reported as 1.1 to 1.4 ..

Fact is Boris didn't want to lockdown in March so if it needs doing now best not to dither..

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By *eefyBangerMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

"1. Lock the whole country down again for everyone, in order to sheild and protect the very small number that would be effected worse by the virus.

Every loses personal contact from various loved ones again.

2. Let all the healthy people and those that wont be effected by this virus keep the economy going and carry on with life as normal.

3. Everyone and everything just goes back to normal, no loss of contact from loved ones, shield if you want to by choice but if you dont want to thats your choice, your risk.

Just like smoking is a choice, just like getting in a car is a choice, just like eating vad foods and drinking alcohol is a choice (all things that can be harmful to us).

Number 3 all day long for me. Life’s too short. I’m not going to spend my last few hours on my death bed remembering all those weeks I spent eating chicken soup and watching repeats of On The Buses on itv3.

I will however remember the time I’m in a foreign country and had to jump on planes trains and automobiles to land in the U.K. before 4am on a Saturday morning just to avoid 2 weeks unpaid leave from work. Remembering the nights out with friends dancing in a tacky nightclub with some random girl(if I’m still single at the time

) Meals in fancy restaurants with family. D*unken Saturday afternoons in the pub losing a fortune on horses and coupons. Random weekends away down south and lastly but not leastly something we all miss on here, trips to swingers clubs home and further afield.

This will probably offend some people but I quite frankly don’t care anymore. If people want to hide away in their house for periods of weeks and months on end every few months then that’s their affair. Some of us have some living to do and I’m sure as hell going to live it as best I can.

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over a year ago

"1. We have no choice but to re lock down

Ok think it's coming given the r rate is being reported as 1.1 to 1.4 ..

Fact is Boris didn't want to lockdown in March so if it needs doing now best not to dither.."

They will need to do full lockdowns every 2-3 months. The country has only been 'open' again since the start of July. Before that there were still quite a lot of restrictions.

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By *eefyBangerMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

"1. We have no choice but to re lock down "

It never worked the first time so it sure as heck ain’t gonna work a second time.

This virus is never going away. Learn to live it with is the only option.

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"Its all about educating the public on how to social distance, wear and remove a face covering correctly and how to wash and sanitise their hands.

These small 3 steps backed up with track and test would manage coronavirus easily.

That advertising needs to be pushed just as hard again before the cold weather hits.

I do begin to wonder how 67 million people in this country have survived to the age they are. The level of general intelligence I've witnessed is scarily low....

And then we wonder why virus is spiraling up again....

Sadly, not using the intellect one was born with, is not an underlying issue

Not enough people showing evidence of having been born with any intellect - that’s an issue for a start.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"1. We have no choice but to re lock down

Ok think it's coming given the r rate is being reported as 1.1 to 1.4 ..

Fact is Boris didn't want to lockdown in March so if it needs doing now best not to dither..

They will need to do full lockdowns every 2-3 months. The country has only been 'open' again since the start of July. Before that there were still quite a lot of restrictions. "

In an ideal world we should now not have to lockdown or have restrictions but some people are simply not doing the basics, the amount of times it's been said covid is over or its only affecting the old, the overweight, the smokers or those with underlying health issues it sort of paints a picture of many wanting to just ignore any sort of simple things such as we've been asked to do..

What other options have we left for those trying to balance the best way through this..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"1. We have no choice but to re lock down

It never worked the first time so it sure as heck ain’t gonna work a second time.

This virus is never going away. Learn to live it with is the only option."

It's not the elderly or the vulnerable that are on ventilation at present though, it's people in age groups below that..

If the numbers are heading one way to just ignore that would be negligence..

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over a year ago

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP? "

It kills off a lot of the population who can’t survive the virus

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

It kills off a lot of the population who can’t survive the virus "

The sad thing is there are some for whom that's ok if they can get back to shagging..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should respect the general public opinion and do as we want that's a total shut down again save lives don't care about just black lives matter it's all lives matter and the sooner PPL understand that the better yes it's going to take time to recover but I for one think that it's important to shut down pubs and restaurants and clubs and bars"

No we don't all want a national lockdown again.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

Herd immunity doesn't mean folks have to die, we have therapeutics now for early and late covid, we now also know not to bang everyone on ventalators and blow their lungs up like the Goodyear blimp.

With the cases as they are and no death spike, every single day is increasing herd immunity.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

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By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

Every body needs to start doing there own research, Our freedoms are being very slowly eroded away, and any one who has read history books, knows, that freedoms taken away from citizens, are never returned.

Lockdowns, curfews, travel restrictions, quarantines, convid marshall's, snitch on your neighbour, anti social distancing, having to wear a muzzle, censorship, unlicensed vaccines, Christmas cancelled, NYE fireworks cancelled, sports events gone, NHS up for sale pantomime season, gone etc etc,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!"

I’m with you on that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all dont want a new total lockdown.

Speak for yourself not for us.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

It kills off a lot of the population who can’t survive the virus "

"...It kills off a lot of the population who can’t survive the virus..."

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That's true, and hundreds of thousands could die in that process by the time everyone in the population gets it.

And among those who 'survive', some would suffer from 'Long Covid' with long term health issues and problems.

Also we don't yet know all the issues surrounding immunity with this virus. The virus is still new and under research and review. We don't know how long any immunity will last for.

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1Man
over a year ago

bromsgrove

"The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!"

Have you been in a coma???.

If so I'm glad your awake

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"1. We have no choice but to re lock down

It never worked the first time so it sure as heck ain’t gonna work a second time.

This virus is never going away. Learn to live it with is the only option."

Lockdown did work, it was never expected to end the pandemic, it pulled the number of cases down, prevented the NHS being overrun and bought time. Trouble is we will now need to do it all again, we need to buy more time for vaccination development

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!"

Ok Mr Enlightened, ignoring the fact that anyone could mount a global conspiracy on this scale is pure fantasy, even Iran and North Korea are participating.... What good does it do anyone banning pantomimes? What control has been achieved? What is the end game?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Herd immunity doesn't mean folks have to die, we have therapeutics now for early and late covid, we now also know not to bang everyone on ventalators and blow their lungs up like the Goodyear blimp.

With the cases as they are and no death spike, every single day is increasing herd immunity. "

Cases now doubling weekly, deaths now doubling weekly..3-4 weeks, maybe sooner and you will see the start of the death spike as it hits 3 digits a day.

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over a year ago

"1. We have no choice but to re lock down

It never worked the first time so it sure as heck ain’t gonna work a second time.

This virus is never going away. Learn to live it with is the only option.

Are we you kidding.. lockdown worked

Are you actually viewed the weekly death toll for this year, by age group

The death toll spiked during lockdown, not before, not after, during!

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"1. We have no choice but to re lock down

It never worked the first time so it sure as heck ain’t gonna work a second time.

This virus is never going away. Learn to live it with is the only option.

Are we you kidding.. lockdown worked

Are you actually viewed the weekly death toll for this year, by age group

The death toll spiked during lockdown, not before, not after, during!

Yes because nobody dies the day the get infected!

It can take 3 weeks from exposure to hospitalisation and you might be in intensive care 3 more weeks before death. So you go look at those figures again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The 1918 Spanish flue that killed 50 million and infected 1/3 of World population,.... NEVER went away, its now a weaker 4th generation seasonal flu.....

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over a year ago

Heard immunity doesn't work with covid. Lots of cases now of people who have previously had it and now have it again.

If a vaccine does become available then this will only cover us for a reasonably short time.

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over a year ago

"Heard immunity doesn't work with covid. Lots of cases now of people who have previously had it and now have it again.

If a vaccine does become available then this will only cover us for a reasonably short time."

Lots ?

Source?

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!

Iran and North Korea participating in a potential population control experiment... I’m no conspiracy theorist, but come on - that argument is pretty weak!

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over a year ago

"Heard immunity doesn't work with covid. Lots of cases now of people who have previously had it and now have it again.

If a vaccine does become available then this will only cover us for a reasonably short time."

Out of the 30.2 million cases can you say how many have caught it twice.

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over a year ago

France, Spain and the US along with China and South Korea. Apparently they have been infected by a different strain but it's still covid.

Just search covid 19 reinfection lots of different articles written by actual experts.

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over a year ago

"Heard immunity doesn't work with covid. Lots of cases now of people who have previously had it and now have it again.

If a vaccine does become available then this will only cover us for a reasonably short time.

Out of the 30.2 million cases can you say how many have caught it twice."

Looks like the next few months will give us the answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"France, Spain and the US along with China and South Korea. Apparently they have been infected by a different strain but it's still covid.

Just search covid 19 reinfection lots of different articles written by actual experts."

I’m aware of a Japanese woman in the early days. A quick search showed one case in the USA. Considering it has more cases than anywhere else I think we can safely say that lots of cases is a bit of a stretch.

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over a year ago

"France, Spain and the US along with China and South Korea. Apparently they have been infected by a different strain but it's still covid.

Just search covid 19 reinfection lots of different articles written by actual experts."

1 hong kong 3 in Europe 1 in the usa all infected by a mutated strain.

I do read journals.

That's not lots though is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes reported cases, remember that not everything gets reported to us mere mortals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes reported cases, remember that not everything gets reported to us mere mortals."

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over a year ago

It's still possible though isn't it? Even the journals can't confirm that you are immune once having it as they don't know enough about it yet.

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over a year ago

"More people may have pre-existing immunity to the coronavirus than at first thought, according to an article in the British Medical Journal that challenges the widely held assumption that the immune systems of the world’s population were completely naive to infection.

In the article, the BMJ cites six studies reporting T-cell reactivity against the virus in 20-50% of people with no known exposure to it. According to the BMJ, researchers behind two separate studies have concluded that these unexpected immune responses could be explained by cross-immunity after exposure to common cold coronaviruses."

I knew that permanent runny nose would be my saviour one day.

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By *he shaggersCouple
over a year ago

vancouver island

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP? "

Nothing provided your not one of the victims

Bit like going bareback, you take your chance

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By *he shaggersCouple
over a year ago

vancouver island

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

It kills off a lot of the population who can’t survive the virus

The sad thing is there are some for whom that's ok if they can get back to shagging..

They properly have safe sex on their profile too

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!"

Whilst the government haven't lived up to reasonable expectations, I thank goodness that they haven't decided to use this as a basis for their policies.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

It kills off a lot of the population who can’t survive the virus

The sad thing is there are some for whom that's ok if they can get back to shagging..

They properly have safe sex on their profile too

As 'underlying health conditions' are often exacerbated by covid, I wonder how many 'herd immunity' advocates have underlying health conditions that they don't know about...

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!

Iran and North Korea participating in a potential population control experiment... I’m no conspiracy theorist, but come on - that argument is pretty weak!"

I’m arguing that it’s not credible for Covid to be an international conspiracy.

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware

"I work in public health and COVID isn’t going anywhere fast - vaccine or no vaccine, sorry! I see it like a pebble in in a lake the waves will spread out, big at first and gradually smaller and more infrequent. We are on the 2nd wave so still right at the beginning of the pandemic. But gradually probably over the next yr after another ? waves I believe cases will reduce and outbreaks become less frequent and at some point thereafter life will begin to return to something resembling normality. COvid will still be around just like normal flu and will still kill just not in the numbers we have seen. It’s going to be a long winter. stay safe!"

I think you have hit the nail on the head.. Wise words!

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over a year ago

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

It kills off a lot of the population who can’t survive the virus

The sad thing is there are some for whom that's ok if they can get back to shagging..

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By *i1971Man
over a year ago

Cornwall

I think you have hit the nail on the head.. Wise words!

This is also how I see it, many waves but gradually reducing in severity - but we're in it for the long haul.

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over a year ago

"The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!"

Bless your little heart. The only thing I can be arsed in commenting on is Christmas - it cannot be cancelled! There may be restrictions such as numbers gathering but the overeating, over drinking, overspending (which the economy needs) won't be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""More people may have pre-existing immunity to the coronavirus than at first thought, according to an article in the British Medical Journal that challenges the widely held assumption that the immune systems of the world’s population were completely naive to infection.

I knew that permanent runny nose would be my saviour one day."

Ooh I'd like to know how the experts determine T cell reactivity to T cell production, where's the microbiologist couple here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

Nothing provided your not one of the victims

Bit like going bareback, you take your chance"

I rephrased my question somewhere ^ there

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over a year ago

"What's wrong with herd immunity OP?

It kills off a lot of the population who can’t survive the virus

The sad thing is there are some for whom that's ok if they can get back to shagging..

They properly have safe sex on their profile too

As 'underlying health conditions' are often exacerbated by covid, I wonder how many 'herd immunity' advocates have underlying health conditions that they don't know about..."

Some advocates want herd immunity to occur, not as a strategy, but due to what is happening (a beneficial side effect, as it were). Hence the original question. Sadly it was perceived in context as a strategy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, you are wrong!

Thanks for saying this so I don't have to.

Covid is merely LESS likely to KILL the young and healthy.

It still DOES kill them and has left many others permanently damaged.

Even of it were "just" the sick and elderly what kind of a society sacrifices their vulnerable so they can satiate their impatience of lessen their own struggles?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, you are wrong!

Thanks for saying this so I don't have to.

Covid is merely LESS likely to KILL the young and healthy.

It still DOES kill them and has left many others permanently damaged.

Even of it were "just" the sick and elderly what kind of a society sacrifices their vulnerable so they can satiate their impatience of lessen their own struggles?

What kind of society? Apparently ours.

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over a year ago

"OK, bare with me here. This is a question and not a statement of fact.

I only see three ways out of the current pandemic;

1: Carry on as things are (lockdowns etc) which I have heard not 100% belive they won't be paying furrow again.

Either way it will drive up unemployment which in turn drives up crime rates.

2: vacine - projected around mid 2021 at least.

3: everyone just goes about life as normal and forget about covid, creating heard immunity.

I would hate 3 to become a reality.

I also think that as others have stated masks are contributing to the spikes seen lately as a false sense of security is given and people forget about touching there face etc.

What are others thoughts on these points?

And bonus question, when do you think this will end ?

I dont subscribe to the whole "its life and let it be" these are people that are dying needlessly. Family's ruined.

Any vaccine developed in less than 5 years has not been tested for long term safety so no chance.

How many have died needlessly and how many would have died if they'd caught the flu. You can never prove that.

You don't enslave an entire nation because some people die.

How many will die due to cancelled surgery, medical treatments, referrals....?

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By *aughtiness69 OP Couple
over a year ago

Kinmel bay

"The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!"

Are you for real?

Thousands are dying and you think its just a way to control the population? Because they have nothing better to do?

You seriously have a warped perception of reality!

But its your choice to have that perception so who am I to argue with how you see the world.

Just before you point to history ensure you are citing the correct cases and not a broad point.

Yes in the case of dictatorships and communist states.

But no in democratic countries.

WW2, look at the restrictions put in place then! Are you still on food stamps and having to sleep in communal air-raid shelters?

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By *aughtiness69 OP Couple
over a year ago

Kinmel bay

"The only way to end this scam is for the people to end it,

9 months ago all these were perfectly normal, now they are pretty much gone for ever,

It takes on word............NO !!

Are you for real?

Thousands are dying and you think its just a way to control the population? Because they have nothing better to do?

You seriously have a warped perception of reality!

But its your choice to have that perception so who am I to argue with how you see the world.

Just before you point to history ensure you are citing the correct cases and not a broad point.

Yes in the case of dictatorships and communist states.

But no in democratic countries.

WW2, look at the restrictions put in place then! Are you still on food stamps and having to sleep in communal air-raid shelters?

Ohh forgot to add, its idiots like you that are causing the second spike!! "All it takes is one word NO"

FK OFF!!

People are dying!!

And because it might infringon your civil rights for a year or so, you have to find a way to rationalise and play the victim!!

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over a year ago

regarding a vaccine schiphol airport is building a massive warehouse that will be refrigerated for storage of vaccines when they become available.

also some of the boeing 747's that have been taken out of service by airlines have been bought by billionaires and are being converted to refrigerated freight so they can supply countries quickly.

of course no one knows when i good vaccine will appear but at least steps are being taken to be ready to distributed it

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over a year ago

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"OK, bare with me here. This is a question and not a statement of fact.

I only see three ways out of the current pandemic;

1: Carry on as things are (lockdowns etc) which I have heard not 100% belive they won't be paying furrow again.

Either way it will drive up unemployment which in turn drives up crime rates.

2: vacine - projected around mid 2021 at least.

3: everyone just goes about life as normal and forget about covid, creating heard immunity.

I would hate 3 to become a reality.

I also think that as others have stated masks are contributing to the spikes seen lately as a false sense of security is given and people forget about touching there face etc.

What are others thoughts on these points?

And bonus question, when do you think this will end ?

I dont subscribe to the whole "its life and let it be" these are people that are dying needlessly. Family's ruined.

Any vaccine developed in less than 5 years has not been tested for long term safety so no chance.

How many have died needlessly and how many would have died if they'd caught the flu. You can never prove that.

You don't enslave an entire nation because some people die.

How many will die due to cancelled surgery, medical treatments, referrals....?"

Enslave ??

Give your head a wobble

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"regarding a vaccine schiphol airport is building a massive warehouse that will be refrigerated for storage of vaccines when they become available.

also some of the boeing 747's that have been taken out of service by airlines have been bought by billionaires and are being converted to refrigerated freight so they can supply countries quickly.

of course no one knows when i good vaccine will appear but at least steps are being taken to be ready to distributed it

Not Russian billionaire's are they? Vaccines won't be the only thing they are carrying if it is!!

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over a year ago

"OK, bare with me here. This is a question and not a statement of fact.

I only see three ways out of the current pandemic;

1: Carry on as things are (lockdowns etc) which I have heard not 100% belive they won't be paying furrow again.

Either way it will drive up unemployment which in turn drives up crime rates.

2: vacine - projected around mid 2021 at least.

3: everyone just goes about life as normal and forget about covid, creating heard immunity.

I would hate 3 to become a reality.

I also think that as others have stated masks are contributing to the spikes seen lately as a false sense of security is given and people forget about touching there face etc.

What are others thoughts on these points?

And bonus question, when do you think this will end ?

I dont subscribe to the whole "its life and let it be" these are people that are dying needlessly. Family's ruined.

Any vaccine developed in less than 5 years has not been tested for long term safety so no chance.

How many have died needlessly and how many would have died if they'd caught the flu. You can never prove that.

You don't enslave an entire nation because some people die.

How many will die due to cancelled surgery, medical treatments, referrals....?"

But if we let this virus just "run its course" the NHS will be overwhelmed and people still won't get medical treatment.

Also how are you being enslaved?

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By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Iran and North Korea are both members of the United Nations, search and research agenda 21 and agenda 2030, do some research on the world economic forum,especially a chap called Klaus Schwab. have a look on British Medical Journal websites and look for operation moonshot, you probably won’t believe what there end game is

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