FabSwingers.com forum: WHO PAYS YOUR WAGES ?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If a contact tracer tell you to self isolate for a fortnight because you have been somewhere where someone else tested positive, does your employer have to pay you for that two weeks ?Does the government pay you ?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's a poorly managed area, as the government have only trialled some financial help in specific areas, such as parts of the North West. Others have been due and given nothing. They have looked at providing statutory sick pay, which an individual would claim themselves but this is considerably less than minimum wage levels, so isn't enough for most people to be able to live on.

Currently it's been estimated that only 20% of people who should be isolating are doing so fully. Many are working as they have to pay bills, house and feed families etc.

There's justification for this group of people, who are known to be very high risk of passing on the virus during the highly infectious early stages, for them to be paid their normal wage, or very close to it.

Whilst we are not doing this, knowing that people will have to work, we are demonstrating that we are not 100% behind reducing the levels of infection. Other countries are paying full pay and more than here and we should do the same.

Responsible employers would pay fully, to keep their other staff and the public safer.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Do you not get asked to do a test?

If it is a straight you stay off work for two weeks then I think it is SSP

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Very much down to the employer. Mine pays and also pays for the quarantine period if you go abroad.

If not it’s SSP I believe.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"If a contact tracer tell you to self isolate for a fortnight because you have been somewhere where someone else tested positive, does your employer have to pay you for that two weeks ?Does the government pay you ?"

two different rules.... domestic and overseas

if it is domestic as far as i am awar your employer should pay you... and they get money back from the government

if it is because you have been overseas and you have to quarentine, you are on your own!

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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago

leeds

SSP only afraid, you don't get asked to be tested as it can take 14 days for the virus to show up. Hence why the 14 day quarantine.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"SSP only afraid, you don't get asked to be tested as it can take 14 days for the virus to show up. Hence why the 14 day quarantine.

I know if you come into the country you have to do 14 days depending on where you come from but an acquaintance got a text from T&T asking for her to take a test as she has been in contact with someone who has Covid, once she had the test and it came back negative she went about her normal business so it is a bit confusing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SSP only afraid, you don't get asked to be tested as it can take 14 days for the virus to show up. Hence why the 14 day quarantine.

And getting a test by all accounts isn't easy...

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

"SSP only afraid, you don't get asked to be tested as it can take 14 days for the virus to show up. Hence why the 14 day quarantine.

And getting a test by all accounts isn't easy..."

That’s an understatement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being self employed I wouldnt get any wages which is why I'm not going abroad and dislike the attitude of people who arent playing by the rules and dont give a toss about other people.

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By *exy4youxxWoman
over a year ago

Pontefract

"SSP only afraid, you don't get asked to be tested as it can take 14 days for the virus to show up. Hence why the 14 day quarantine.

If the test came back negative then she can go back to work and carry on as normal and most companies mine included although we have all worked through all this crazy stuff and made them millions won't pay us to isolate we only get ssp which is 94 pound a week I believe you get more on unemployment benefits

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By *exy4youxxWoman
over a year ago

Pontefract

"Being self employed I wouldnt get any wages which is why I'm not going abroad and dislike the attitude of people who arent playing by the rules and dont give a toss about other people."

Some ppl can't afford to stay off work !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Being self employed I wouldnt get any wages which is why I'm not going abroad and dislike the attitude of people who arent playing by the rules and dont give a toss about other people.

Some ppl can't afford to stay off work ! "

Which is why I'm being very careful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Being self employed I wouldnt get any wages which is why I'm not going abroad and dislike the attitude of people who arent playing by the rules and dont give a toss about other people."

well said.

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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago

leeds

an acquaintance got a text from T&T asking for her to take a test as she has been in contact with someone who has Covid, once she had the test and it came back negative she went about her normal business so it is a bit confusing

Guess they've changed it again then. They were saying no point testing straight away as it may not show up in such a short time and can come back negative when in fact you're infected. Hence the 14 days.

If they have changed the guides and it can take 14 days to show. This is nuts and again reinforces the thoughts that the government want it to spread and are actively working to allow it on the hush hush.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

My employer will pay ssp only if you have symptoms and have to quarantine. They won't if you choose to go abroad and have it, which I think is fair enough for those people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My employer has been paying people 80% of their salary if they are unable to work from home. But they have to provide evidence of being told to self isolate and if they have more than one occurrence they have to use holidays

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

This is nuts and again reinforces the thoughts that the government want it to spread and are actively working to allow it on the hush hush. "

Have you any idea how many people would need to be 'in' on a conspiracy like this to cover it up and the chances of them ALL keeping their mouths shut?

They haven't announced a damn thing in the last 6 months that wasn't reported beforehand.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

We have now been told that if some one close to you has to quarantine you will only get SSP so don't know how i would pay bills on that. Think as i have worked right through this it would be good to get some support say 80% like the furlough?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I think there will be a lot of people debating do I go to work anyway as I have to pay my bills or sit at home for SSP....

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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This is nuts and again reinforces the thoughts that the government want it to spread and are actively working to allow it on the hush hush.

Have you any idea how many people would need to be 'in' on a conspiracy like this to cover it up and the chances of them ALL keeping their mouths shut?

They haven't announced a damn thing in the last 6 months that wasn't reported beforehand. "

To be fair they don't seem to give a toss what people think about what they are doing/ have done anyway, even when they get caught out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's the issue with using furlough, while it's still there?

80% pay of which only 10 then 20% will have to come from the employer.

That said, I have no sympathy for those whose maniacal urge to holiday overrides all common sense.

Wouldn't pay them at all.

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

If i had tested positive, i would stay off work, If i tested negative or couldn't get tested and was symptom free I would work, I cannot afford to live on SSP just because 'someone' phones me and says 'someone else' who was in a café at a similar time to me has covid.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

That's why lots fill the form in wrong fill it in as M Mouse, phone number 1234567890

Guess what you would not get asked to self isolate.

Personally i just don't go out Go to work and then home, shop on line click and collect. Reduce all contact.

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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago

leeds

This is nuts and again reinforces the thoughts that the government want it to spread and are actively working to allow it on the hush hush.

Have you any idea how many people would need to be 'in' on a conspiracy like this to cover it up and the chances of them ALL keeping their mouths shut?

They haven't announced a damn thing in the last 6 months that wasn't reported beforehand. "

Probably not as many as you think.

Boris a couple of the cabinet ministers and ohh Bill Gates of course

We were questioning more what appears to be a non announced change to track and trace.

When it was launch they specifically said that anyone contacted wouldn't be tested as it can take up to 14 days for the virus to show.

But from a previous post this appears to have changed with no official announcement of this change.

So what actually is the process now?

Does the virus now show up from the start, at time of contraction?

Are people been tested early with the hope of a negative result, so that they can be let out in the wider community to be spreaders?

If anyone in an official government capacity is here and can honestly answer these we'd be grateful.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I don't think it has changed going by the link here. So why I asked this is confusing if they are getting told to do something else now

Of course the acquaintance could be the one having it totally wrong, which may mean lots of other people not understanding what they are meant to do either and why we are getting more cases

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youre-contacted-after-testing-positive-for-coronavirus/

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

My employer would pay my wages because I can work from home and teach remotely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im self employed, so i do, no work no money, oh and my tax bill will be paying your wages, pisses me off

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"im self employed, so i do, no work no money, oh and my tax bill will be paying your wages, pisses me off"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"im self employed, so i do, no work no money, oh and my tax bill will be paying your wages, pisses me off"

Who's wages ?

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

This is nuts and again reinforces the thoughts that the government want it to spread and are actively working to allow it on the hush hush.

Have you any idea how many people would need to be 'in' on a conspiracy like this to cover it up and the chances of them ALL keeping their mouths shut?

They haven't announced a damn thing in the last 6 months that wasn't reported beforehand.

To be fair they don't seem to give a toss what people think about what they are doing/ have done anyway, even when they get caught out"

Exactly

The whole concept of 'hush hush' is alien to them, unless it involves inserting their anatomy into someone elses...

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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This is nuts and again reinforces the thoughts that the government want it to spread and are actively working to allow it on the hush hush.

Have you any idea how many people would need to be 'in' on a conspiracy like this to cover it up and the chances of them ALL keeping their mouths shut?

They haven't announced a damn thing in the last 6 months that wasn't reported beforehand.

To be fair they don't seem to give a toss what people think about what they are doing/ have done anyway, even when they get caught out

Exactly

The whole concept of 'hush hush' is alien to them, unless it involves inserting their anatomy into someone elses...

I meant more they may try the hush hush but they don't care if they get caught out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

everyone claming now, pluss all the publik sector workers, who have peen paid all the way through this, buch of unproductive idiots, look at the new buss lanes everywhere for instance

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

If someone decides to go abroad during a pandemic, why should anyone have to pay them to stay at home?

If they can't afford to quarantine they shouldn't have travelled.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"everyone claming now, pluss all the publik sector workers, who have peen paid all the way through this, buch of unproductive idiots"

Most public sector worked through the pandemic either at work or home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"everyone claming now, pluss all the publik sector workers, who have peen paid all the way through this, buch of unproductive idiots

Most public sector worked through the pandemic either at work or home"

so did most, but alot didnt, our local council has been shut for months, does my council tax stop, no, its one rule for them and one for us

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"everyone claming now, pluss all the publik sector workers, who have peen paid all the way through this, buch of unproductive idiots

Most public sector worked through the pandemic either at work or home

so did most, but alot didnt, our local council has been shut for months, does my council tax stop, no, its one rule for them and one for us"

Did you know what happened in March when we all got told if you could work at home sod off home and stay there? Maybe they worked from home like a lot of people.

I am not sure why people blame others for doing their bit, it isn't their fault if you have a beef with something that happened with you

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Ah, you are self employed

The self employed got a grant according to their earnings they declared in the last three years, if you declared honestly you will have got a chunk of your earnings

People got sent home to work or furloughed if they couldn't work at home. The furloughed got a chunk of their wages too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i cant work from home, cant mend a race cer at home

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

Also can't work from home

Fix equipment in a factory worked right through. So no furlough or grant but now if I have to isolate don't get any help well £95 a week SSP.

That's why I only go from home to work on line shopping avoid all contact with the out side world.

No wonder the economy is slow to pick up some are more scared of losing there roof then there life .

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"i cant work from home, cant mend a race cer at home "

That isn't the fault of the people who could work from home. Only essential work was meant to be happening anyway, are race cars essential?

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By *uckslut and MCouple
over a year ago

Poole

"Being self employed I wouldnt get any wages which is why I'm not going abroad and dislike the attitude of people who arent playing by the rules and dont give a toss about other people.

Some ppl can't afford to stay off work !

Which is why I'm being very careful"

Self employed here, I would get, nothing, zero, zilch. I've not got a passport so not going abroad. But could goto a local restrant and get caught into iso.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"i cant work from home, cant mend a race cer at home

That isn't the fault of the people who could work from home. Only essential work was meant to be happening anyway, are race cars essential?"

No race cars are not important but lots of jobs are and if on a low wage 2 weeks on just £95 a week they would just go to work as both adults in the house should isolate for 14 days.

It's ok if you own your home but not meany do.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"i cant work from home, cant mend a race cer at home

That isn't the fault of the people who could work from home. Only essential work was meant to be happening anyway, are race cars essential?

No race cars are not important but lots of jobs are and if on a low wage 2 weeks on just £95 a week they would just go to work as both adults in the house should isolate for 14 days.

It's ok if you own your home but not meany do.

To be fair I was answering the person who was complaining about people not working in lock down, then spoke about when the lock down was happening so you are answering two different things

Back to what you are talking about , I agree, the SSP is not enough to live on if you have to isolate, it isn't any easier for people who own their own house either as most people have a mortgage

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"i cant work from home, cant mend a race cer at home

That isn't the fault of the people who could work from home. Only essential work was meant to be happening anyway, are race cars essential?

No race cars are not important but lots of jobs are and if on a low wage 2 weeks on just £95 a week they would just go to work as both adults in the house should isolate for 14 days.

It's ok if you own your home but not meany do.

To be fair I was answering the person who was complaining about people not working in lock down, then spoke about when the lock down was happening so you are answering two different things

Back to what you are talking about , I agree, the SSP is not enough to live on if you have to isolate, it isn't any easier for people who own their own house either as most people have a mortgage"

Sorry mixed up the threads

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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You didn't

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By *randmrsmanchesterCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Self employed here so not even SSP if it happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can work from home, so no loss of earnings.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Self employed here so not even SSP if it happened. "

Same here but I can work from home, indeed I mostly work at home. What do you do? You wouldn’t have to waste those 14 days, 4 would be weekends. That leaves 10 business days to get your accounts and paperwork in order, time to plan and prep for upcoming work, for some it’s time to improve website and marketing. Time to get the van organised etc Its getting hit with more than one 14 day restriction in close succession that would really bite though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I have to quarantine because I have been in contact with covid due to work, I'm on full pay. If I quarantine due to private life, its ssp or use holiday

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"If I have to quarantine because I have been in contact with covid due to work, I'm on full pay. If I quarantine due to private life, its ssp or use holiday"

So do you live alone or is your hole house hold now in quarantine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

to me they are, ive fed my family of this job for years, why should i have to stop now?????

millions watch motorsports, in this country and others.

just because yyou might not like it, doesnt mean others dont, i agree it may not be as important as beeing a nurse or something, but most jobs arent, motor sport employs a huge amount of people in the uk, millions, google it, so yes its an important part of the econamy,

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"i cant work from home, cant mend a race cer at home

That isn't the fault of the people who could work from home. Only essential work was meant to be happening anyway, are race cars essential?

No race cars are not important but lots of jobs are and if on a low wage 2 weeks on just £95 a week they would just go to work as both adults in the house should isolate for 14 days.

It's ok if you own your home but not meany do.

To be fair I was answering the person who was complaining about people not working in lock down, then spoke about when the lock down was happening so you are answering two different things

Back to what you are talking about , I agree, the SSP is not enough to live on if you have to isolate, it isn't any easier for people who own their own house either as most people have a mortgage"

When I said own I ment outright paid for and not meany do.

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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago

leeds

You do realise this is a global pandemic... if it’s a conspiracy it would need most of the 193 heads of state on board and in total agreement and that’s just for starters..

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Not said it's a conspiracy ffs. Just voicing an opinion even been very tongue in cheek with bringing Bill Gates into it.

But if you want to go down this route.

It was the governments stance from the off for mass infection and herd immunity in Britain. Boris had a conversation with the president of Italy for one at the start stating this is what he wanted.

Just because they appear that now this is not what they want,doesn't mean that in the background their not implementing it.

You know say one thing,then do another,just like governments tend to do.

Why would the actions taken in Britain by a select few of the Cabinet need to be made common knowledge to other countries or states?

Does the official secrets act not exist and we openly share all of what goes on with our potential enemies!

I'm sure Boris releases a time table every week to the world of his movements for that week.

Of course this isn't true, we have

as a country secrets as much as the next.

Or is every countries secrets just published on Wikipedia?

Guess whenever there's a suspected Russian poisoning they should just read up on it on good old wiki next time

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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago

leeds

"Self employed here so not even SSP if it happened. "

You might be able claim SSP still.

I remember a window cleaner who cleaned our windows at work was off for a while and put in a claim for it.

Understanding is as SSP is paid for by the state anyone who pays Ni contributions is entitled to it.

Even those on income support and not working have been able to claim it in the past.

Don't hold me to it as he was off for about 12 weeks, but he definitely claimed it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Self employed here so not even SSP if it happened.

You might be able claim SSP still.

I remember a window cleaner who cleaned our windows at work was off for a while and put in a claim for it.

Understanding is as SSP is paid for by the state anyone who pays Ni contributions is entitled to it.

Even those on income support and not working have been able to claim it in the past.

Don't hold me to it as he was off for about 12 weeks, but he definitely claimed it. "
I was laid off in March. I had enough saved up to not qualify for support. Rightfully so. Some people have nothing. Some people have everything and are still pursuing claims. The world is in balanced it’s not equal. But if the people who believe in equality keep fighting. Maybe the world might end up in a better place . Love to you all

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By *randmrsmanchesterCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Self employed here so not even SSP if it happened.

I’m a hairdresser. I’m already up to date with my books (thanks to having 5 months off already)

I get your point though for most people but not always that simple for everyone. Also weekends are my busiest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I have to quarantine because I have been in contact with covid due to work, I'm on full pay. If I quarantine due to private life, its ssp or use holiday

So do you live alone or is your hole house hold now in quarantine? "

I said IF. So currently not quarantined. But I'm a single parent. Only wage. No benefits. Being very careful outside of work

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

You do realise this is a global pandemic... if it’s a conspiracy it would need most of the 193 heads of state on board and in total agreement and that’s just for starters..

Not said it's a conspiracy ffs. Just voicing an opinion even been very tongue in cheek with bringing Bill Gates into it.

But if you want to go down this route.

It was the governments stance from the off for mass infection and herd immunity in Britain. Boris had a conversation with the president of Italy for one at the start stating this is what he wanted.

Just because they appear that now this is not what they want,doesn't mean that in the background their not implementing it.

You know say one thing,then do another,just like governments tend to do.

Why would the actions taken in Britain by a select few of the Cabinet need to be made common knowledge to other countries or states?

Does the official secrets act not exist and we openly share all of what goes on with our potential enemies!

I'm sure Boris releases a time table every week to the world of his movements for that week.

Of course this isn't true, we have

as a country secrets as much as the next.

Or is every countries secrets just published on Wikipedia?

Guess whenever there's a suspected Russian poisoning they should just read up on it on good old wiki next time

Sorry I must have mis-understood your post. Yes you are absolutely right it what you say above.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

As its our company, suppose we would consider staying on full pay.

Strangely trying everything that we can to stay clear of it though.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"to me they are, ive fed my family of this job for years, why should i have to stop now?????

millions watch motorsports, in this country and others.

If you use reply and quote we will know who you are answering

You were talking about "unproductive idiots" who were paid when it was lock down then said you worked all the way through. I said it isn't peoples fault as we all got sent home to work or not as the case may be and you said you worked the whole way through. I then said I thought only essential workers were working during lock down and I didn't realise your job would come into it.

You then post the above which is nothing like what I said. Lets not twist what people say, it doesn't help any debate

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Self employed here so not even SSP if it happened.

You might be able claim SSP still.

I remember a window cleaner who cleaned our windows at work was off for a while and put in a claim for it.

Understanding is as SSP is paid for by the state anyone who pays Ni contributions is entitled to it.

Even those on income support and not working have been able to claim it in the past.

Don't hold me to it as he was off for about 12 weeks, but he definitely claimed it. "

It's definitely worth anyone who's forced to quarantine to look at the SSP rules, as they have been updated for covid19. I know little about it, not claimed it but it's now payable from day 1 and people can self-certify and apply for the extension beyond the 1 week period, that they would normally be responsible for certifying themselves.

It's still not enough money imo to keep enough people at home and with enough money to house, feed a family and pay bills. But at least there is SSP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"everyone claming now, pluss all the publik sector workers, who have peen paid all the way through this, buch of unproductive idiots, look at the new buss lanes everywhere for instance"

Sweeping statement much??

I work for a Local Council as a Manager once lockdown hit in March I did my main job from home 1 day a week. The other 4 I was either running an emergency call centre that was set up to support residents, supporting our own food parcel centre for the vulnerable who were a, still waiting for delayed government food parcels or weren't on the official vulnerable list but clearly still needed help.

In fact most days during lockdown werent our paid 7 1/2 hrs but more like 12+ hrs. On finishing the call centre shift every day all the staffs personal cars were filled with food parcels for all the people who rang in past the 3pm cut off for the council delivery vans. We all then delivered those parcels across a very big geographical area before finally getting home. Most days started 7.45am and I'd get home around 8pm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nobody, im self employer, no workie = no spendy

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I can work from home, so great loss for me.

As long as people need advice with our systems, I should be able to manage

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By *kslutncuckCouple
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

Employers do NOT get sick pay back from the government.

SSP comes from employers if you are employed

Long gone are days employers could claim it back from the government. I’m guessing small business already struggling will not be able to afford sick pay

Sad But true Situation

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Employers do NOT get sick pay back from the government.

SSP comes from employers if you are employed

Long gone are days employers could claim it back from the government. I’m guessing small business already struggling will not be able to afford sick pay

Sad But true Situation "

Untrue

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