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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. " that's not what it says. You couldn't have 6 people and have sex for instance | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. that's not what it says. You couldn't have 6 people and have sex for instance " Exactly. People have forgotten that even with group gatherings unless it is members of your household or your support bubble we still should be social distancing. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do"   | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. that's not what it says. You couldn't have 6 people and have sex for instance " Unless you class it as a team sport. | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. that's not what it says. You couldn't have 6 people and have sex for instance Unless you class it as a team sport." Well since high class hookers are billable to the taxpayer as "Computer lessons" I guess it is considered a "work activity". | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do" Probably 
Like it or not, we're all in this together. And some people are really taking the piss. | |||
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"I seems to me that it's easy to scapegoat students,which is basically what Monday is all about, when it's actually matt Hancock with blood on his hands, most folks who died was directly linked to the cov+carehome policy. " ... Btw by some people, I do of course include our "world beating" government | |||
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"Pubs are open and from what I’ve seen they a gathering in much larger groups. They may be trying to stay 1meter apart but it’s not working so I’m sure it won’t be long before all pubs at closed again" The pubs won't be closed, they may limit the hours they can open like they are talking about in Bolton. | |||
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"This can not carry on the world can not stop because of a virus we must all be able to go to school work travel leisure etc , if we do not stop this permanent soft lockdown we will totally destroy our economy beyond repair .. the number of positive cases may be rising but the number of deaths is now extremely low, last 24 hours it's less than 20 " Do you know what "exponential growth" means? | |||
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"Except for when we are expected at work, school, college, Uni of course. " most university's have not gone for face to face lessons | |||
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"Pubs are open and from what I’ve seen they a gathering in much larger groups. They may be trying to stay 1meter apart but it’s not working so I’m sure it won’t be long before all pubs at closed again" . Don’t see that happening. The country can simply no longer afford to go on destroying jobs and businesses or paying them to stay closed. We’ve spent thousands of millions of pounds and all it’s done is delay the inevitable. | |||
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"That is good cos with all these protesting that have been going on lately, one should remember that covid is not transmitted through sex tho." But it is through breathing, and if you're not breathing during sex, you're doing it wrong. | |||
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" The pubs won't be closed, they may limit the hours they can open like they are talking about in Bolton. " The pubs are closing in Bolton. Only take aways can open until 10pm. | |||
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"Except for when we are expected at work, school, college, Uni of course. most university's have not gone for face to face lessons " Hmmm the one I work in has. And its not just the lessons as such there is a massive service system to support a uni, far beyond the teaching that requires an awful lot of unavoidable mingling. | |||
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"And in Doncaster today we have approx 3500 people per day attending the races for the next 4 days. Couldn't make it up.. " Is it any coincidence that Dido Harding is on the Board of the Jockey club so it is allowed to go ahead. | |||
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"And in Doncaster today we have approx 3500 people per day attending the races for the next 4 days. Couldn't make it up.. " 9000 people a day go through the turnstiles at Alton Towers every single day 11000 at Thorpe Park. Trafford Center has a daily footfall of 18000 people . . . it's not how many people there are, it's how they behave. | |||
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"Pubs are open and from what I’ve seen they a gathering in much larger groups. They may be trying to stay 1meter apart but it’s not working so I’m sure it won’t be long before all pubs at closed again" I dont think they will close. It appears that when they track and trace people are getting it from gatherings in peoples home rather than out and about. | |||
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" The pubs won't be closed, they may limit the hours they can open like they are talking about in Bolton. The pubs are closing in Bolton. Only take aways can open until 10pm." Not according to the government website. | |||
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"This can not carry on the world can not stop because of a virus we must all be able to go to school work travel leisure etc , if we do not stop this permanent soft lockdown we will totally destroy our economy beyond repair .. the number of positive cases may be rising but the number of deaths is now extremely low, last 24 hours it's less than 20 " The majority of cases at the moment are among young people, who usually only have mild symptoms. As these cases rise, the virus will spread through he community into older people and deaths will begin to rise again. If we completely ignored the virus and went about our lives as normal, the economy would still suffer, because a lot of the workforce would become ill and therefore unable to work, and we would also have tens of thousands of extra deaths too. | |||
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" The pubs won't be closed, they may limit the hours they can open like they are talking about in Bolton. The pubs are closing in Bolton. Only take aways can open until 10pm. Not according to the government website. " Hancock announced it in parliament yesterday. The only hospitality venues allowed to open in Bolton from Monday are takeaways. | |||
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"And we all know football and strictly Z listers will be exempt..... Complete Hypocrisy un enforceable bullshit..... Scapegoating.... " Yes, let's all close our eyes, make fists and repeat over and over again It won't get me It won't get me It won't get me Good luck .......... | |||
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"And we all know football and strictly Z listers will be exempt..... Complete Hypocrisy un enforceable bullshit..... Scapegoating.... Yes, let's all close our eyes, make fists and repeat over and over again It won't get me It won't get me It won't get me Good luck .........." It might not get me. If it does, it might not be that bad. But I might pass it to someone who dies from it. And I am responsible to my community so I park my arse. | |||
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"This can not carry on the world can not stop because of a virus we must all be able to go to school work travel leisure etc , if we do not stop this permanent soft lockdown we will totally destroy our economy beyond repair .. the number of positive cases may be rising but the number of deaths is now extremely low, last 24 hours it's less than 20 The majority of cases at the moment are among young people, who usually only have mild symptoms. As these cases rise, the virus will spread through he community into older people and deaths will begin to rise again. If we completely ignored the virus and went about our lives as normal, the economy would still suffer, because a lot of the workforce would become ill and therefore unable to work, and we would also have tens of thousands of extra deaths too." “.... As these cases rise, the virus will spread through he community into older people and deaths will begin to rise again...” ———————- This . And France has already started experiencing that. | |||
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"This can not carry on the world can not stop because of a virus we must all be able to go to school work travel leisure etc , if we do not stop this permanent soft lockdown we will totally destroy our economy beyond repair .. the number of positive cases may be rising but the number of deaths is now extremely low, last 24 hours it's less than 20 The majority of cases at the moment are among young people, who usually only have mild symptoms. As these cases rise, the virus will spread through he community into older people and deaths will begin to rise again. If we completely ignored the virus and went about our lives as normal, the economy would still suffer, because a lot of the workforce would become ill and therefore unable to work, and we would also have tens of thousands of extra deaths too. “.... As these cases rise, the virus will spread through he community into older people and deaths will begin to rise again...” ———————- This . And France has already started experiencing that. "There are nearly 12 million people in the UK aged 65 and above. Not really possible to segregate. | |||
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"That is good cos with all these protesting that have been going on lately, one should remember that covid is not transmitted through sex tho. But it is through breathing, and if you're not breathing during sex, you're doing it wrong." Plus how can you have sex when distancing Unless you know something I dont | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. " Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. | |||
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"I know it's only Wednesday, but apparently covid has issued an amnesty day ticket for the horse racing today. But will be back in the parks and houses on Monday just in time for the new lockdown restrictions. " Yawn .... | |||
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"I know it's only Wednesday, but apparently covid has issued an amnesty day ticket for the horse racing today. But will be back in the parks and houses on Monday just in time for the new lockdown restrictions. " Not covid. Our incompetent and corrupt government. | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable." It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP" Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? | |||
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"I know it's only Wednesday, but apparently covid has issued an amnesty day ticket for the horse racing today. But will be back in the parks and houses on Monday just in time for the new lockdown restrictions. " You know that's not the case so why keep on and on and on? | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it?" But I don't wanna.... | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? But I don't wanna.... " If you don't eat your veggies you can't have any sweeties. | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. " But I hear horse racing they are going to put punters in a bubble of a hundred etc in bays with toilete and there own book maker ,I tink 100 is a few more than 6 , and what pisses me off is football players flaunting the rules by hugging each other . one rule for the elite , | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? But I don't wanna.... If you don't eat your veggies you can't have any sweeties." Pink Floyd? | |||
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"And we all know football and strictly Z listers will be exempt..... Complete Hypocrisy un enforceable bullshit..... Scapegoating.... " Football is not exempt. No fans are currently allowed to any games | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. " But we are leaving in fear...  | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it?" Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only? | |||
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"And we all know football and strictly Z listers will be exempt..... Complete Hypocrisy un enforceable bullshit..... Scapegoating.... Football is not exempt. No fans are currently allowed to any games " Come on don't be silly. Footballers and cricketers and rugby players tennis players all get tested at least twice a week and are in a bio bubble. There is no comparison to the risk they pose in spreading the virus. I'd rather have a bit of sport to watch on TV. The two lads who broke the rules in Iceland were fined a substantial amount, publicly humiliated and kicked out of the squad. | |||
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" Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only?"
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. " Would you be happier if governments took no action? 50 million people died from the Spanish flu. With today's population and world travel you could expect that number to at least double. Would 100 million people dying make you happy? You don't have to wait forever. Just until a vaccine comes out. That was looking like mid December before one person out of 17000 showed side effects. Some other countries have gone back to business and put Covid-19 behind them. But they had a muture mindset instead of a childish, bratty approach. | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only?" All good questions. So what would you do to slow down the spread of the virus? | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only?" On 28 September 2018, 200 000 people in Philadelphia took to the streets for a parade. It is estimated that 2600 people died from contracting Spanish Flu in that parade. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. Would you be happier if governments took no action? 50 million people died from the Spanish flu. With today's population and world travel you could expect that number to at least double. Would 100 million people dying make you happy? You don't have to wait forever. Just until a vaccine comes out. That was looking like mid December before one person out of 17000 showed side effects. Some other countries have gone back to business and put Covid-19 behind them. But they had a muture mindset instead of a childish, bratty approach. " Got any proof/hard evidence that 100 millions people will die??????? | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only? All good questions. So what would you do to slow down the spread of the virus? " Increased testing, make it more easy for vulnerable people to isolate/keep safe (food deliveries, priority shopping hours etc). I don't know if it's possible to slow a spread significantly, but the priority should be to protect those in greater danger. Sadly I don't have the answers, I just think it's important in a democracy to question laws and rules. Once we stop doing that we slide into subservience. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do" Exactly thjs | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. Would you be happier if governments took no action? 50 million people died from the Spanish flu. With today's population and world travel you could expect that number to at least double. Would 100 million people dying make you happy? You don't have to wait forever. Just until a vaccine comes out. That was looking like mid December before one person out of 17000 showed side effects. Some other countries have gone back to business and put Covid-19 behind them. But they had a muture mindset instead of a childish, bratty approach. Got any proof/hard evidence that 100 millions people will die???????" Yeah it's called mathematics. Contagion spread can be mathematically predicted with computer models. Have you got any proof that millions wouldn't die? Or is that a chance you're willing to take? | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. " Unfortunately the elderly and vulnerable will suffer ..... the rate wasn’t low enough to open schools due to people not following guidelines all summer (I deserve a holiday, I need sex are two examples) so now schools have opened and you cannot get a test the rise will be quick and brutal. | |||
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"Our local pub is planning a big garden party with live band this weekend. But we can’t have a family meal. Wtf. " Your local pub is being irresponsible just becoase you can doesn’t mean you should. | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. Would you be happier if governments took no action? 50 million people died from the Spanish flu. With today's population and world travel you could expect that number to at least double. Would 100 million people dying make you happy? You don't have to wait forever. Just until a vaccine comes out. That was looking like mid December before one person out of 17000 showed side effects. Some other countries have gone back to business and put Covid-19 behind them. But they had a muture mindset instead of a childish, bratty approach. " if you are waiting for a vaccine, then i fear you may be in for a long wait, we still dont have a vaccine for sars yet and that is has been going on for years, we cant rely on medicne to fix this | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only? All good questions. So what would you do to slow down the spread of the virus? Increased testing, make it more easy for vulnerable people to isolate/keep safe (food deliveries, priority shopping hours etc). I don't know if it's possible to slow a spread significantly, but the priority should be to protect those in greater danger. Sadly I don't have the answers, I just think it's important in a democracy to question laws and rules. Once we stop doing that we slide into subservience." Why is this question being asked like no one knows the answer. In 1920 the world learned what was required to stop the Spanish Flu. Since January 2020 we have had numerous countries handle this pandemic. So why is it a mystery to us? | |||
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" Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only?" So you disagree with protecting people because government policy is arbitrary and/ or incoherent? Apparently some people do need to be told. Like we do with any of the other hundreds of thousands of laws which guide our behaviour in modern Britain. My life since March. Protests I've been to: zero. Maximum group I've been a part of: three (outside, all 2+ metres apart). Private homes I've visited apart from my own: zero. Pubs I've been to: zero. Restaurants and cafes: one. I don't need to be told. I also don't need to be told not to kill people (in general not just related to pandemic) - should we take the laws against murder and manslaughter off the books because it's insulting to think that people don't know not to kill people? | |||
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" Why is this question being asked like no one knows the answer. In 1920 the world learned what was required to stop the Spanish Flu. Since January 2020 we have had numerous countries handle this pandemic. So why is it a mystery to us?" Because we have to believe we're world beating and wonderful, and we wanna go to the pub and fuck strangers. | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. Would you be happier if governments took no action? 50 million people died from the Spanish flu. With today's population and world travel you could expect that number to at least double. Would 100 million people dying make you happy? You don't have to wait forever. Just until a vaccine comes out. That was looking like mid December before one person out of 17000 showed side effects. Some other countries have gone back to business and put Covid-19 behind them. But they had a muture mindset instead of a childish, bratty approach. if you are waiting for a vaccine, then i fear you may be in for a long wait, we still dont have a vaccine for sars yet and that is has been going on for years, we cant rely on medicne to fix this" They stopped working on a SARS vaccine because the spread was contained and there was no need. Do you know why we don't have a section on the forum for smallpox? Vaccine. Before this week when we hit a wobble, we were on course for Chaddox-one to be ready for mid December. Australia has already ordered 85 million doses for January. We are in phase three of trials. The final stage. | |||
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"Our local pub is planning a big garden party with live band this weekend. But we can’t have a family meal. Wtf. " go to a different pub | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. Would you be happier if governments took no action? 50 million people died from the Spanish flu. With today's population and world travel you could expect that number to at least double. Would 100 million people dying make you happy? You don't have to wait forever. Just until a vaccine comes out. That was looking like mid December before one person out of 17000 showed side effects. Some other countries have gone back to business and put Covid-19 behind them. But they had a muture mindset instead of a childish, bratty approach. if you are waiting for a vaccine, then i fear you may be in for a long wait, we still dont have a vaccine for sars yet and that is has been going on for years, we cant rely on medicne to fix this They stopped working on a SARS vaccine because the spread was contained and there was no need. Do you know why we don't have a section on the forum for smallpox? Vaccine. Before this week when we hit a wobble, we were on course for Chaddox-one to be ready for mid December. Australia has already ordered 85 million doses for January. We are in phase three of trials. The final stage." Indeed. We rely on medicine to fix so many things. Why not this? (I rely on medicine to quite literally keep me alive, which apparently some people find terrible. The treatment has existed since Victorian times) There's unprecedented research into this. | |||
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" Why is this question being asked like no one knows the answer. In 1920 the world learned what was required to stop the Spanish Flu. Since January 2020 we have had numerous countries handle this pandemic. So why is it a mystery to us? Because we have to believe we're world beating and wonderful, and we wanna go to the pub and fuck strangers. " It's such a pity that the virus can't be cured with bullshit because then we would be world beating! | |||
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"Our local pub is planning a big garden party with live band this weekend. But we can’t have a family meal. Wtf. go to a different pub" | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only? All good questions. So what would you do to slow down the spread of the virus? Increased testing, make it more easy for vulnerable people to isolate/keep safe (food deliveries, priority shopping hours etc). I don't know if it's possible to slow a spread significantly, but the priority should be to protect those in greater danger. Sadly I don't have the answers, I just think it's important in a democracy to question laws and rules. Once we stop doing that we slide into subservience." No Democracy from Johnson who feels fit to override International law to get his beloved Brexit through, with this in mind I will break his 6 people law to see my grandkids. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear " Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal." If we all hang on and all do our bit this will be less bad for all of us. I'd sacrifice more to take on other people's burdens if I could, but unfortunately I cannot. This relies on every single one of us. And some of us are really letting the side down. I won't be seeing any of my family again until we're all vaccinated. Unfortunately that's the reality *I* have to live with. And no, not because I'm a virtue signalling snowflake or whatever some of you think of me. Because my family are in Australia and Australia is closed until then. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal." Trials were halted this week when someone became ill.The report I read said trials would restart soon it was anticipated | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do Exactly thjs " . *nods in agreement* Keeping some of the vulnerable indoors longer is a double edged sword..... In the world of learning disabilities staff are being attacked daily because of difficulties in understanding, frustration and being stuck indoors for 16 weeks+. There are no clear answers. However those flouting and ignoring the rules are making it worse for everybody. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal. Trials were halted this week when someone became ill.The report I read said trials would restart soon it was anticipated " Indeed. This is a good thing, if frustrating. Most of us want a vaccine. But we want one that works and is safe. | |||
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" Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only? So you disagree with protecting people because government policy is arbitrary and/ or incoherent? Apparently some people do need to be told. Like we do with any of the other hundreds of thousands of laws which guide our behaviour in modern Britain. My life since March. Protests I've been to: zero. Maximum group I've been a part of: three (outside, all 2+ metres apart). Private homes I've visited apart from my own: zero. Pubs I've been to: zero. Restaurants and cafes: one. I don't need to be told. I also don't need to be told not to kill people (in general not just related to pandemic) - should we take the laws against murder and manslaughter off the books because it's insulting to think that people don't know not to kill people?" No. I think it's incredibly important to protect the most vulnerable in society. I just think that restricting oneself unquestioningly to an arbitrary and made up number given by the government (using it's new and unprecedented powers of the Covid Act) is not it. --- Also I think it's very important for people not to live in fear and to get back to something like normality. Otherwise there will be little left to go back to. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do Exactly thjs . *nods in agreement* Keeping some of the vulnerable indoors longer is a double edged sword..... In the world of learning disabilities staff are being attacked daily because of difficulties in understanding, frustration and being stuck indoors for 16 weeks+. There are no clear answers. However those flouting and ignoring the rules are making it worse for everybody. " I'm not facing attacks, but the ongoing effects of lockdown are getting harder for me to cope with in the work I do. Mostly psychological deterioration, some quite marked. | |||
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" Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only? So you disagree with protecting people because government policy is arbitrary and/ or incoherent? Apparently some people do need to be told. Like we do with any of the other hundreds of thousands of laws which guide our behaviour in modern Britain. My life since March. Protests I've been to: zero. Maximum group I've been a part of: three (outside, all 2+ metres apart). Private homes I've visited apart from my own: zero. Pubs I've been to: zero. Restaurants and cafes: one. I don't need to be told. I also don't need to be told not to kill people (in general not just related to pandemic) - should we take the laws against murder and manslaughter off the books because it's insulting to think that people don't know not to kill people? No. I think it's incredibly important to protect the most vulnerable in society. I just think that restricting oneself unquestioningly to an arbitrary and made up number given by the government (using it's new and unprecedented powers of the Covid Act) is not it. --- Also I think it's very important for people not to live in fear and to get back to something like normality. Otherwise there will be little left to go back to." I don't see why obeying the law would be a threat. Yeah, they made a number up. But they do with everything. Why is 18 a good age to be allowed to drink alcohol, not 15, 21, or 35? Because someone somewhere decided it was 18. Shrug. I don't go giving 17 year olds alcohol, even if it's arbitrary. People need minimal expectations of behaviour. This is what the government has said it is. Five is safer than six, six is safer than seven. They've made a compromise for whatever reasons they think (whether they're logical or not). | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal. Trials were halted this week when someone became ill.The report I read said trials would restart soon it was anticipated " There is a very detailed report on this written by the people directly involved. Unfortunately it is in a scientific website and not a reliable source like the Sun or Daily Mail so can't post a link 
"The spokesperson described the pause as “a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials, while it is investigated, ensuring we maintain the integrity of the trials.” The spokesperson also said that the company is “working to expedite the review of the single event to minimize any potential impact on the trial timeline.”"
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal. Trials were halted this week when someone became ill.The report I read said trials would restart soon it was anticipated There is a very detailed report on this written by the people directly involved. Unfortunately it is in a scientific website and not a reliable source like the Sun or Daily Mail so can't post a link
"The spokesperson described the pause as “a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials, while it is investigated, ensuring we maintain the integrity of the trials.” The spokesperson also said that the company is “working to expedite the review of the single event to minimize any potential impact on the trial timeline.”"
While this is a setback it also puts a nail in the coffin of the antivaxer argument..."Lol. The antivaxxers always find ways to adapt. "Thimerosol in vaccines causes autism!" (Americans remove all of it from childhood vaccines in 2002) "The epigenetic damage caused by the thimerosol given to mothers causes autism in their children!" Nice goal post you have there. Shame you keep moving it because you're wedded to your nonsense dangerous ideas. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal. Trials were halted this week when someone became ill.The report I read said trials would restart soon it was anticipated " Yes but my understanding is that there are several trials, only one has been suspended so I'm still hopeful. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal. Trials were halted this week when someone became ill.The report I read said trials would restart soon it was anticipated There is a very detailed report on this written by the people directly involved. Unfortunately it is in a scientific website and not a reliable source like the Sun or Daily Mail so can't post a link
"The spokesperson described the pause as “a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials, while it is investigated, ensuring we maintain the integrity of the trials.” The spokesperson also said that the company is “working to expedite the review of the single event to minimize any potential impact on the trial timeline.”"
While this is a setback it also puts a nail in the coffin of the antivaxer argument..."I was saying this yesterday, you will always have people who have a bad reaction. As long as its only a tiny minority I firmly believe the benefits outway the risk. | |||
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"This can not carry on the world can not stop because of a virus we must all be able to go to school work travel leisure etc , if we do not stop this permanent soft lockdown we will totally destroy our economy beyond repair .. the number of positive cases may be rising but the number of deaths is now extremely low, last 24 hours it's less than 20 " ...the death rate may be low now but that's due to the measures previously in place, not because the virus got bored! Left unchecked the rates of infection will rise exponentially. | |||
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"Everyone keeps commenting on protecting the vulnerable and high risk So should carers and hospital staff avoid work along with others such as paramedics as they are at higher risk than the people working at home same goes for energy workers they are having to work during this time It's OK saying that's what they signed up for when they took the roles but I don't suppose they thought their lives would be at such a high risk Wear a mask don't go out that's your choice others don't have a choice or the UK would stop " No. They should use their training and the PPE which they should have been provided from the start. They did sign up for it, I'm afraid, and have faced other risks as well. Vulnerable and high risk refers to medical conditions, not occupations. Protecting from occupational hazards is another matter. No one has ever said "destroy the country because virus". It's "reduce risks". I don't know why people insist on making this utterly absurd. Hospitals need to run. Kids need an education. People don't need the pub or to hold parties. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal. Trials were halted this week when someone became ill.The report I read said trials would restart soon it was anticipated There is a very detailed report on this written by the people directly involved. Unfortunately it is in a scientific website and not a reliable source like the Sun or Daily Mail so can't post a link
"The spokesperson described the pause as “a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials, while it is investigated, ensuring we maintain the integrity of the trials.” The spokesperson also said that the company is “working to expedite the review of the single event to minimize any potential impact on the trial timeline.”"
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I was saying this yesterday, you will always have people who have a bad reaction.
As long as its only a tiny minority I firmly believe the benefits outway the risk. "One person out of 17000. The word in the article was "over cautious". But rather the trials be delayed than there be justification for those saying it's been "rushed through". Makes sense to me. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal. Trials were halted this week when someone became ill.The report I read said trials would restart soon it was anticipated There is a very detailed report on this written by the people directly involved. Unfortunately it is in a scientific website and not a reliable source like the Sun or Daily Mail so can't post a link
"The spokesperson described the pause as “a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials, while it is investigated, ensuring we maintain the integrity of the trials.” The spokesperson also said that the company is “working to expedite the review of the single event to minimize any potential impact on the trial timeline.”"
While this is a setback it also puts a nail in the coffin of the antivaxer argument...
I was saying this yesterday, you will always have people who have a bad reaction.
As long as its only a tiny minority I firmly believe the benefits outway the risk.
One person out of 17000. The word in the article was "over cautious".
But rather the trials be delayed than there be justification for those saying it's been "rushed through". Makes sense to me."As anyone who's read me for about five minutes knows, I'm pretty rabidly pro vaccine. I'm pro safe, tested, evaluated vaccine. Trials being halted and even abandoned because of concerns about serious adverse reactions is an example of why I trust vaccines. We don't want people to get hurt, we want side effects to be minimal. Halting the trial to examine the risks is the process working, and how we get vaccines that will protect us rather than harm us. | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do This is never gonna go away period with world travel I fear Why? I don't understand this. If the Oxford Vaccine is approved end of 2020 / early 2021 then the effect if this will be proportionate to how fast we can roll it out. Since we started manufacturing the vaccine months ago there will be no shortage of doses. If we start by vaccinating the most vulnerable it will be a matter of months before life goes back to normal. Trials were halted this week when someone became ill.The report I read said trials would restart soon it was anticipated There is a very detailed report on this written by the people directly involved. Unfortunately it is in a scientific website and not a reliable source like the Sun or Daily Mail so can't post a link
"The spokesperson described the pause as “a routine action which has to happen whenever there is a potentially unexplained illness in one of the trials, while it is investigated, ensuring we maintain the integrity of the trials.” The spokesperson also said that the company is “working to expedite the review of the single event to minimize any potential impact on the trial timeline.”"
While this is a setback it also puts a nail in the coffin of the antivaxer argument...
I was saying this yesterday, you will always have people who have a bad reaction.
As long as its only a tiny minority I firmly believe the benefits outway the risk.
One person out of 17000. The word in the article was "over cautious".
But rather the trials be delayed than there be justification for those saying it's been "rushed through". Makes sense to me."Oh i agree. I'm saying it was inevitable that there would be "teething troubles" | |||
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Pubs are low benefit. Getting d*unk on stuff you can buy in supermarkets is not essential in the slightest. In fact: drinking alcohol is an entirely voluntary activity. Food can also be purchased elsewhere in safer ways.
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"People need food and clothing. People don’t need pubs. One of the scientists I'm following keeps saying "do your kids need an education, or do Mum and Dad need a drink?" It speaks to our priorities." Very true, we blame a lack of education for many modern issues. Never heard a lack of alcohol blamed for the rise in teenage pregnancies or similar | |||
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"No one signs up for a job expecting to die or cause death to family members that's just bull We all put each other at risk shopping going out for meals n drinks and doing stuff we enjoy like taking our annual holidays spreading back to countries that are recovering or bringng it back into our own Why does the government put stupid numbers into place it takes 1 person to infect many so how is 6 better than 7 Why do we need clothes infrastructure if we all stay home then we don't need them Let's have rationed food delivered by guys in hazmat suits Anyone who signs up to work in emergency services knows there's risks involved. Dying maybe not, but they didn't see this coming. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between "optional social activity" and "saving lives" in terms of what to prioritise." I'm sorry if you think a life is worth more than someone else's just because of a profession they chose | |||
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"No one signs up for a job expecting to die or cause death to family members that's just bull We all put each other at risk shopping going out for meals n drinks and doing stuff we enjoy like taking our annual holidays spreading back to countries that are recovering or bringng it back into our own Why does the government put stupid numbers into place it takes 1 person to infect many so how is 6 better than 7 Why do we need clothes infrastructure if we all stay home then we don't need them Let's have rationed food delivered by guys in hazmat suits Anyone who signs up to work in emergency services knows there's risks involved. Dying maybe not, but they didn't see this coming. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between "optional social activity" and "saving lives" in terms of what to prioritise. I'm sorry if you think a life is worth more than someone else's just because of a profession they chose " So, you're saying everyone should shield or no one should shield? If everyone shields we all die of starvation and lack of sanitation. If no one shields then the hospitals will be overwhelmed and the needless death toll will skyrocket. Black, white... have you ever heard of this thing called grey? | |||
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"No one signs up for a job expecting to die or cause death to family members that's just bull We all put each other at risk shopping going out for meals n drinks and doing stuff we enjoy like taking our annual holidays spreading back to countries that are recovering or bringng it back into our own Why does the government put stupid numbers into place it takes 1 person to infect many so how is 6 better than 7 Why do we need clothes infrastructure if we all stay home then we don't need them Let's have rationed food delivered by guys in hazmat suits Anyone who signs up to work in emergency services knows there's risks involved. Dying maybe not, but they didn't see this coming. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between "optional social activity" and "saving lives" in terms of what to prioritise. I'm sorry if you think a life is worth more than someone else's just because of a profession they chose So, you're saying everyone should shield or no one should shield? If everyone shields we all die of starvation and lack of sanitation. If no one shields then the hospitals will be overwhelmed and the needless death toll will skyrocket. Black, white... have you ever heard of this thing called grey?" Just saying it's easy for people outta harm to comment on who's lives matter Keep locking down and opening up will only continue happening figures will fall then rise again It's here to stay so your saying we should all isolate for good as that's the only way to stop it People who society feel have to continue working to allow the rest of us to be safe n comfortable should do so not for their safety but for everyone else's This can continue until all 65000000 people in the UK have had it or until it disappears which will be a very long time | |||
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"And in Doncaster today we have approx 3500 people per day attending the races for the next 4 days. Couldn't make it up.. Is it any coincidence that Dido Harding is on the Board of the Jockey club so it is allowed to go ahead. " It’s mental. And I won’t be going to Alton Sodding Towers either. | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only? All good questions. So what would you do to slow down the spread of the virus? Increased testing, make it more easy for vulnerable people to isolate/keep safe (food deliveries, priority shopping hours etc). I don't know if it's possible to slow a spread significantly, but the priority should be to protect those in greater danger. Sadly I don't have the answers, I just think it's important in a democracy to question laws and rules. Once we stop doing that we slide into subservience. No Democracy from Johnson who feels fit to override International law to get his beloved Brexit through, with this in mind I will break his 6 people law to see my grandkids. " Your aptitude is to be applauded. Sorry that's the wrong word but I don't want a ban | |||
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only? All good questions. So what would you do to slow down the spread of the virus? Increased testing, make it more easy for vulnerable people to isolate/keep safe (food deliveries, priority shopping hours etc). I don't know if it's possible to slow a spread significantly, but the priority should be to protect those in greater danger. Sadly I don't have the answers, I just think it's important in a democracy to question laws and rules. Once we stop doing that we slide into subservience. No Democracy from Johnson who feels fit to override International law to get his beloved Brexit through, with this in mind I will break his 6 people law to see my grandkids. Your aptitude is to be applauded. Sorry that's the wrong word but I don't want a ban" Charades! I love that game... what's the first letter! | |||
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"Why can we go to work fo to school university the shops the pubs the gym the swimming pool the restaurant etc but we can’t go to someone’s house .... and no social distancing doesn’t take place at all these places ... so if there are more than six we will catch it ???? Under 6 we ok??? And the virus knows it’s a house so you will catch it ??? Load of bull s..t " | |||
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"This can not carry on the world can not stop because of a virus we must all be able to go to school work travel leisure etc , if we do not stop this permanent soft lockdown we will totally destroy our economy beyond repair .. the number of positive cases may be rising but the number of deaths is now extremely low, last 24 hours it's less than 20 " | |||
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"This can not carry on the world can not stop because of a virus we must all be able to go to school work travel leisure etc , if we do not stop this permanent soft lockdown we will totally destroy our economy beyond repair .. the number of positive cases may be rising but the number of deaths is now extremely low, last 24 hours it's less than 20 " | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. " | |||
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"I reckon people will still keep ignoring things cos they just wanna get on with,life but all this is never gonna go away while they do" Whether ppl abide by the rules or not, Covid is always going to be here. This is our new normal!! | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. But we are leaving in fear...
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. But we are leaving in fear...
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"Gathering of more than 6 people is illegal from Monday next week. So what ever you do in groups, on 6 people allowed. Unless it's for work, wedding, funeral. I think this is another silly rule which will be unenforceable and unworkable. It's a rule that SHOULDN'T NEED enforcement. People should just fkn do it FULL STOP Quite. It might not be illegal for me to be an arsehole. I should still not be an arsehole. Why do you need the police to enforce care for your community? Why can't you just do it? Why do we need the government to tell us how many people we are allowed to socialise with? Even though there is no limit on how many co-workers a person can have around them? Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement? Where did the six people rule come from? Why not eight? Ten? Four? Is this another number plucked from thin air? How are the fines going to work? In a group of eight will they all be fined? Only two? Or will they split the bill? Will this apply to BLM and XR demonstrations? If so how? Will protesters have to protest in groups of six only? "....Why do people feel the need to be infantilised and babysat by the government instead of using their own common sense and good judgement?..." -------------- Because common sense and good judgement are lacking among some people in our society. That partly explains the rise in infections we are seeing. Time for the government to reintroduce restrictions to address this." Well said | |||
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"all this covid has been blown out of proportion massively by the press and goverments. 7.8 billion people in the world, 1% of the population is 78millions number of death less than 900k (sad but nothing new, flu and other illness kill a lot of people). so not even 0.1% of the world population We can't leave in fear which is exactly what they tell you. " I don’t know if you are not aware but it hasn’t finished yet FFS! In fact it has barely got started, most of the worlds population has not yet been exposed to the virus. What proportion of the population should die from a pandemic before you would deem it worthy of government reaction | |||
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"Virus are essential to healthy living .. this Weill always be here ... just get on with life and start looking after yourselves so your immune system is healthy for winter .... " I'm all for the viruses that have co-evolved with us and are part of our bodies. I'm not so keen on the ones that kill and maim some of us. They can fuck off - which is why we have society and medicine. | |||
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"Why can we go to work fo to school university the shops the pubs the gym the swimming pool the restaurant etc but we can’t go to someone’s house .... and no social distancing doesn’t take place at all these places ... so if there are more than six we will catch it ???? Under 6 we ok??? And the virus knows it’s a house so you will catch it ??? Load of bull s..t " | |||
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"When I am out in the shop I am more aware and make sure other people are at a distance from me. We went for a meal out and didn't come closer than two metres to anyone apart from the woman bringing the food out. When I am with family in a house or garden I have to keep stopping myself from being too close and it is really tempting to have a hug. I think you relax more with people you know so could be why the rule is coming back in in houses rather than in pubs etc" My thoughts too | |||
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"When I am out in the shop I am more aware and make sure other people are at a distance from me. We went for a meal out and didn't come closer than two metres to anyone apart from the woman bringing the food out. When I am with family in a house or garden I have to keep stopping myself from being too close and it is really tempting to have a hug. I think you relax more with people you know so could be why the rule is coming back in in houses rather than in pubs etc My thoughts too "It's possible it's partly an economic priority: the risk is worth it for economic development but not for friends and family gathering. I disagree with that, obviously, but the government are considering competing priorities. | |||
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"Virus are essential to healthy living .. this Weill always be here ... just get on with life and start looking after yourselves so your immune system is healthy for winter .... I'm all for the viruses that have co-evolved with us and are part of our bodies. I'm not so keen on the ones that kill and maim some of us. They can fuck off - which is why we have society and medicine. If it wasn't for germs we wouldn't need immunity. It's like saying a high crime rate is a good thing because it gives us a strong police force. " Yeah. Pathogens are part of our landscape, and we live with them in accordance to their risk to us. Doesn't mean they're a good thing. | |||
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"Virus are essential to healthy living .. this Weill always be here ... just get on with life and start looking after yourselves so your immune system is healthy for winter .... I'm all for the viruses that have co-evolved with us and are part of our bodies. I'm not so keen on the ones that kill and maim some of us. They can fuck off - which is why we have society and medicine. If it wasn't for germs we wouldn't need immunity. It's like saying a high crime rate is a good thing because it gives us a strong police force. Yeah. Pathogens are part of our landscape, and we live with them in accordance to their risk to us. Doesn't mean they're a good thing." For 902,768 people across the world, contracting Covid-19 did not have a positive on their immune system. | |||
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"That is good cos with all these protesting that have been going on lately, one should remember that covid is not transmitted through sex tho." So you don't breathe during sex then? | |||
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"Virus are essential to healthy living .. this Weill always be here ... just get on with life and start looking after yourselves so your immune system is healthy for winter .... I'm all for the viruses that have co-evolved with us and are part of our bodies. I'm not so keen on the ones that kill and maim some of us. They can fuck off - which is why we have society and medicine. If it wasn't for germs we wouldn't need immunity. It's like saying a high crime rate is a good thing because it gives us a strong police force. Yeah. Pathogens are part of our landscape, and we live with them in accordance to their risk to us. Doesn't mean they're a good thing. For 902,768 people across the world, contracting Covid-19 did not have a positive on their immune system." Agreed. | |||
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"What if there’s more than 6 people waiting at a bus stop? "They need to pretend to be working, learning, getting married or having a funeral. Or having their eyes tested.... | |||
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"Why can we go to work fo to school university the shops the pubs the gym the swimming pool the restaurant etc but we can’t go to someone’s house .... and no social distancing doesn’t take place at all these places ... so if there are more than six we will catch it ???? Under 6 we ok??? And the virus knows it’s a house so you will catch it ??? Load of bull s..t ""...Under 6 we ok???..." -------------- I'm sure you know it doesn't mean that. I suspect the number 6 was chosen because that's an average number for the size of a family. The higher the number of people gathering together, the greater the the risk of spread. So 20 people gathering together has a higher risk than 3 people gathering together. If the government limits it to just 3 people gathering, then it will be difficult for a family of 5 to go out for a meal together. 6 seems to be a more reasonable number when you consider family sizes. | |||
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"Why can we go to work fo to school university the shops the pubs the gym the swimming pool the restaurant etc but we can’t go to someone’s house .... and no social distancing doesn’t take place at all these places ... so if there are more than six we will catch it ???? Under 6 we ok??? And the virus knows it’s a house so you will catch it ??? Load of bull s..t
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I'm sure you know it doesn't mean that.
I suspect the number 6 was chosen because that's an average number for the size of a family.
The higher the number of people gathering together, the greater the the risk of spread. So 20 people gathering together has a higher risk than 3 people gathering together.
If the government limits it to just 3 people gathering, then it will be difficult for a family of 5 to go out for a meal together. 6 seems to be a more reasonable number when you consider family sizes."Oooooo I can find another 4 people to join us | |||
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"What if there’s more than 6 people waiting at a bus stop?
They need to pretend to be working, learning, getting married or having a funeral. Or having their eyes tested...."I’m quite happy to kill a few people who get the same bus as me  | |||
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"That is good cos with all these protesting that have been going on lately, one should remember that covid is not transmitted through sex tho. So you don't breathe during sex then?" I can hold my breathe | |||
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"Actually Covid has been found in sperm and feaces ..." So no swallowing! | |||
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"That is good cos with all these protesting that have been going on lately, one should remember that covid is not transmitted through sex tho." Haha, it certainly would be Shag, kissing and breathing and moaning deeply count as sex!! | |||
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"Actually Covid has been found in sperm and feaces ..." Which means someone has looked for it there......  | |||
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"What if there’s more than 6 people waiting at a bus stop?
They need to pretend to be working, learning, getting married or having a funeral. Or having their eyes tested....
I’m quite happy to kill a few people who get the same bus as me "We're still friends right? Just checking... | |||
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"i would love to see how our already over stretched police are going to police this? its just polititions making noise" It shouldn't need policing. We should all take responsibility. | |||
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"i would love to see how our already over stretched police are going to police this? its just polititions making noise It shouldn't need policing. We should all take responsibility. " Oh just this .... | |||
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"i would love to see how our already over stretched police are going to police this? its just polititions making noise It shouldn't need policing. We should all take responsibility. " And because some won't, it needs policing. Alas. | |||
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"i would love to see how our already over stretched police are going to police this? its just polititions making noise It shouldn't need policing. We should all take responsibility. And because some won't, it needs policing. Alas." I know but you get my point. | |||
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"i would love to see how our already over stretched police are going to police this? its just polititions making noise It shouldn't need policing. We should all take responsibility. And because some won't, it needs policing. Alas. I know but you get my point. " I do.  | |||
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"Another erosion of our liberties. I wonder if the law passed for this rule will be rescinded once the figures drop ? I doubt it. They can use it for crowd control or any other mass gatherings " I have concerns about this government, but we should look to that rather than whingeing about having to make minor sacrifices to protect public health. We were all under house arrest in April FFS and now we're going all 1984 because we're asked to limit groups? C'mon get real. | |||
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" The pubs won't be closed, they may limit the hours they can open like they are talking about in Bolton. The pubs are closing in Bolton. Only take aways can open until 10pm." Ahh I stand corrected | |||
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