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" The definition of 'case' has become twisted in this pandemic. Never before in medicine have we called somebody completely well, with no symptoms a 'case' which is what is happening now. " Disagree...I’d suggest for example...that some HIV positive people that aren’t showing symptoms would be ‘cases’ - an extreme example but valid all the same | |||
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"A third of all cases in England last week were people aged between 20 and 29. "The numbers have been going up. And we've seen in other countries where this leads, and it is not a good place," Matt Hancock says. Students starting university this month is a "concern", he adds. Speaking to Radio 1 Newsbeat, the health secretary pointed to France and Spain, "where that second wave started largely amongst younger people, it then spreads". "And now we're seeing a sharp rise in the number of people in hospital and the number of people who are dying in those countries. "That hasn't happened here yet. And if people follow the social distancing rules, then we can stop that from happening here."" We can and let the scientists keep researching sars-cov-2 and covid-19, let's get to knowing how much it takes to seriously infect someone, what drugs can alleviate symptoms and how we can lower the vulnerable deaths with them still leading a semi if not fulfilled life | |||
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" The definition of 'case' has become twisted in this pandemic. Never before in medicine have we called somebody completely well, with no symptoms a 'case' which is what is happening now. Disagree...I’d suggest for example...that some HIV positive people that aren’t showing symptoms would be ‘cases’ - an extreme example but valid all the same" Definitely! They feel fine and they still pose a risk to others. | |||
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"Cases are because of more testing. The only thing that matters is hospitalisations and deaths which are very, very low. The definition of 'case' has become twisted in this pandemic. Never before in medicine have we called somebody completely well, with no symptoms a 'case' which is what is happening now. 64,000 people die (European Heart Journal) every year in the UK from air pollution and no one is bothered at all. Go figure. It's also useful to remember the reporting and the numbers who died in the 2018 flu outbreak. A sense of proportion is needed. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5440785/Killer-flu-outbreak-blame-42-spike-deaths.html" Why do we always get people quoting what other things kill people? How does one compare a linear unfortunate byproduct of modern living with entirely preventable exponentially contagious disease. A study estimates 40 million people would have died worldwide (in 2020 alone) without governments intervention. Is that what you would have preferred? | |||
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"Per Indie Sage (YouTube video from Friday), half the rise in cases is due to testing and the other half is due to increased transmission. But given asymptomatic carriers and test and trace not picking everything up, that won't be all cases. Where cases includes illness and potential to spread. Low (short term) morbidity and mortality is good, but it means increased risk for those who won't be so fortunate when they do catch it. And given most transmission is indoors and winter is coming... I'm concerned." If indie sage is right we should be seeing a drop off in infections detected as the number of tests conducted has dropped first the last 10 days or so. | |||
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"Per Indie Sage (YouTube video from Friday), half the rise in cases is due to testing and the other half is due to increased transmission. But given asymptomatic carriers and test and trace not picking everything up, that won't be all cases. Where cases includes illness and potential to spread. Low (short term) morbidity and mortality is good, but it means increased risk for those who won't be so fortunate when they do catch it. And given most transmission is indoors and winter is coming... I'm concerned. If indie sage is right we should be seeing a drop off in infections detected as the number of tests conducted has dropped first the last 10 days or so." Depends on how much the cases rise by. If cases rise exponentially that may not be so. Depends on the test positivity rate among other things. | |||
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"A third of all cases in England last week were people aged between 20 and 29. "The numbers have been going up. And we've seen in other countries where this leads, and it is not a good place," Matt Hancock says. Students starting university this month is a "concern", he adds. Speaking to Radio 1 Newsbeat, the health secretary pointed to France and Spain, "where that second wave started largely amongst younger people, it then spreads". "And now we're seeing a sharp rise in the number of people in hospital and the number of people who are dying in those countries. "That hasn't happened here yet. And if people follow the social distancing rules, then we can stop that from happening here."" the youth of today bloody ridiculous I remember when I was 29 I had a lot more respect for rules than these youths causing 72% of all cross coronavirus cases according to hfs | |||
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"And also the daily death rates are not increasing drastically in any other country. The rates of infection are increasing but as are people being tested. Students going back to college/ university and schools.. means many are being tested..and as asymptomatic we wouldn't have known before. The rates of deaths and serious illness are also not increasing despite the increase in KNOWN infections. I stick known in caps as that is the thing that has changed lately " Yes they are increasing Speaking to Radio 1 Newsbeat, the health secretary pointed to France and Spain, "where that second wave started largely amongst younger people, it then spreads". "And now we're seeing a sharp rise in the number of people in hospital and the number of people who are dying in those countries. | |||
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"And also the daily death rates are not increasing drastically in any other country. The rates of infection are increasing but as are people being tested. Students going back to college/ university and schools.. means many are being tested..and as asymptomatic we wouldn't have known before. The rates of deaths and serious illness are also not increasing despite the increase in KNOWN infections. I stick known in caps as that is the thing that has changed lately Yes they are increasing Speaking to Radio 1 Newsbeat, the health secretary pointed to France and Spain, "where that second wave started largely amongst younger people, it then spreads". "And now we're seeing a sharp rise in the number of people in hospital and the number of people who are dying in those countries." Sorry but you have mentioned radio 1s newsbeat multiple times now. Is that your main source of news ? | |||
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"Speaking to Radio 1 Newsbeat, the health secretary pointed to France and Spain, "where that second wave started largely amongst younger people, it then spreads". "And now we're seeing a sharp rise in the number of people in hospital and the number of people who are dying in those countries." Your life will be a lot easier if you just tune to a different radio station. | |||
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"It's not just young people, I had this happen to me today when I was walking out of Sainsbury's wearing my mask, he wasn't. He deliberately hung back to walk next to me... Him 'Do you know what I think of people who wear masks? I think they're diseased'. Me 'And I think people who don't wear masks don't give a flying fuck about what's going on in the world today'. Him 'You do know that coronaviris is just flu, don't you?' Me 'I know that it can be fatal and spread easily so im not taking any chances. I'm taking the advice from scientists and virologists not random people in the supermarket. You're too close to me so please move away now'. As he walked away he done one of those evil laughs. He was early 60's at a guess. I mean, some people!!! "Did you get his fab name. Sounds like one of our lot  | |||
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"It's not just young people, I had this happen to me today when I was walking out of Sainsbury's wearing my mask, he wasn't. He deliberately hung back to walk next to me... Him 'Do you know what I think of people who wear masks? I think they're diseased'. Me 'And I think people who don't wear masks don't give a flying fuck about what's going on in the world today'. Him 'You do know that coronaviris is just flu, don't you?' Me 'I know that it can be fatal and spread easily so im not taking any chances. I'm taking the advice from scientists and virologists not random people in the supermarket. You're too close to me so please move away now'. As he walked away he done one of those evil laughs. He was early 60's at a guess. I mean, some people!!! (I'm making this up for popularity)" | |||
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"Think we are at 17 per 100000 testing positive. Not sure how they get that number as surely if everyone was tested then the number would be lower. I am assuming it's taken on for every 100000 tested that 17 were positive. Thats 0.017% Just for a little perspective. Of which most seem to need asymptomatic and the number hospitalised still isnt increasing x " 22 out of every 100,000 now .... the level at Which other countries appear on out quarentine list. | |||
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"Young people think they are invincible. The amount of parties and gatherings that have been happening outdoors. Will now switch to indoors with the weather. And it will then be taken back to Mum Dad and Granny. Local Authorities can only do so much. "If one person dies in a terror attack or knifing incident, it's headlines. If 10 people unnecessarily die from Covid-19 it doesn't make the news. The upside for the government publishing low death figures is increased confidence and reduced criticism. The downside for the population is increased complacency and more Covid-19 deaths that get labelled as Pneumonia or Flu. | |||
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"Think we are at 17 per 100000 testing positive. Not sure how they get that number as surely if everyone was tested then the number would be lower. I am assuming it's taken on for every 100000 tested that 17 were positive. Thats 0.017% Just for a little perspective. Of which most seem to need asymptomatic and the number hospitalised still isnt increasing x 22 out of every 100,000 now .... the level at Which other countries appear on out quarentine list. " But if they do it it's terrible and if we do it it's great | |||
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"Think we are at 17 per 100000 testing positive. Not sure how they get that number as surely if everyone was tested then the number would be lower. I am assuming it's taken on for every 100000 tested that 17 were positive. Thats 0.017% Just for a little perspective. Of which most seem to need asymptomatic and the number hospitalised still isnt increasing x 22 out of every 100,000 now .... the level at Which other countries appear on out quarentine list. " I thought it was 20. | |||
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"It's not just young people, I had this happen to me today when I was walking out of Sainsbury's wearing my mask, he wasn't. He deliberately hung back to walk next to me... Him 'Do you know what I think of people who wear masks? I think they're diseased'. Me 'And I think people who don't wear masks don't give a flying fuck about what's going on in the world today'. Him 'You do know that coronaviris is just flu, don't you?' Me 'I know that it can be fatal and spread easily so im not taking any chances. I'm taking the advice from scientists and virologists not random people in the supermarket. You're too close to me so please move away now'. As he walked away he done one of those evil laughs. He was early 60's at a guess. I mean, some people!!! "You should have responded that your wearing it as some people have such shocking halitosis that you might otherwise retch.. | |||
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"It's not just young people, I had this happen to me today when I was walking out of Sainsbury's wearing my mask, he wasn't. He deliberately hung back to walk next to me... Him 'Do you know what I think of people who wear masks? I think they're diseased'. Me 'And I think people who don't wear masks don't give a flying fuck about what's going on in the world today'. Him 'You do know that coronaviris is just flu, don't you?' Me 'I know that it can be fatal and spread easily so im not taking any chances. I'm taking the advice from scientists and virologists not random people in the supermarket. You're too close to me so please move away now'. As he walked away he done one of those evil laughs. He was early 60's at a guess. I mean, some people!!! (I'm making this up for popularity)
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"Young people think they are invincible. The amount of parties and gatherings that have been happening outdoors. Will now switch to indoors with the weather. And it will then be taken back to Mum Dad and Granny. Local Authorities can only do so much.
If one person dies in a terror attack or knifing incident, it's headlines.
If 10 people unnecessarily die from Covid-19 it doesn't make the news.
The upside for the government publishing low death figures is increased confidence and reduced criticism. The downside for the population is increased complacency and more Covid-19 deaths that get labelled as Pneumonia or Flu."The, death they can hide for a bit but eventual will show up when comparinging average deaths per year | |||
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"Young people think they are invincible. The amount of parties and gatherings that have been happening outdoors. Will now switch to indoors with the weather. And it will then be taken back to Mum Dad and Granny. Local Authorities can only do so much.
If one person dies in a terror attack or knifing incident, it's headlines.
If 10 people unnecessarily die from Covid-19 it doesn't make the news.
The upside for the government publishing low death figures is increased confidence and reduced criticism. The downside for the population is increased complacency and more Covid-19 deaths that get labelled as Pneumonia or Flu.
The, death they can hide for a bit but eventual will show up when comparinging average deaths per year"Earlier in the year I quoted a report coming out of New York where there was low reporting of Covid-19 deaths but home deaths had increased tenfold compared to the year on year figures. Let's face it. No country wants to report high Covid-19 mortality rates. I became suspicious when our figure went negative. How does a death rate go negative? I don't think our government would DARE publish the true Covid-19 mortality figure. Heads would roll. | |||
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" A study estimates 40 million people would have died worldwide (in 2020 alone) without governments intervention. " 1. The study you refer to is presumably the now very discredited study by Imperial College. Perhaps you should look ay the recent report from Oxfam about the millions more who will die of hunger (not the virus) because of the actions taken. These deaths will be far more than from the virus. 2. Explain how social distancing and masks (if they do anything at all) can do anything other that alter the rate of progression of a pathogen. The reality is that the only thing that can halt the spread is herd immunity or a vaccine (which is artificial herd immunity). I suggest that you seek out the very recent peer reviewed paper by Professor Roger Watson and Doctor Niall McCrae entitled "Will evidence-based medicine be another casualty of COVID-19? " Which concludes that wearing face masks and Lockdown etc are not based on evidence | |||
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"And also the daily death rates are not increasing drastically in any other country. The rates of infection are increasing but as are people being tested. Students going back to college/ university and schools.. means many are being tested..and as asymptomatic we wouldn't have known before. The rates of deaths and serious illness are also not increasing despite the increase in KNOWN infections. I stick known in caps as that is the thing that has changed lately Yes they are increasing Speaking to Radio 1 Newsbeat, the health secretary pointed to France and Spain, "where that second wave started largely amongst younger people, it then spreads". "And now we're seeing a sharp rise in the number of people in hospital and the number of people who are dying in those countries. Sorry but you have mentioned radio 1s newsbeat multiple times now. Is that your main source of news ?" Stop complaining - it's the only time he isn't incomprehensible. | |||
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" I suggest that you seek out the very recent peer reviewed paper by Professor Roger Watson and Doctor Niall McCrae entitled "Will evidence-based medicine be another casualty of COVID-19? " Which concludes that wearing face masks and Lockdown etc are not based on evidence" ... It's an editorial. Editorials are not peer reviewed. Yes I'll still read it. But. Check your facts. | |||
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" A study estimates 40 million people would have died worldwide (in 2020 alone) without governments intervention. 1. The study you refer to is presumably the now very discredited study by Imperial College. Perhaps you should look ay the recent report from Oxfam about the millions more who will die of hunger (not the virus) because of the actions taken. These deaths will be far more than from the virus. 2. Explain how social distancing and masks (if they do anything at all) can do anything other that alter the rate of progression of a pathogen. The reality is that the only thing that can halt the spread is herd immunity or a vaccine (which is artificial herd immunity). I suggest that you seek out the very recent peer reviewed paper by Professor Roger Watson and Doctor Niall McCrae entitled "Will evidence-based medicine be another casualty of COVID-19? " Which concludes that wearing face masks and Lockdown etc are not based on evidence" It is basic mathematics to work out the potential deaths using the CFR and world population. Right now worldometer reports 895,273 Covid-19 deaths. That's WITH all the government restrictions. If you look at the curve in May and extrapolate that curve you can see where we would have been. | |||
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" A study estimates 40 million people would have died worldwide (in 2020 alone) without governments intervention. 1. The study you refer to is presumably the now very discredited study by Imperial College. Perhaps you should look ay the recent report from Oxfam about the millions more who will die of hunger (not the virus) because of the actions taken. These deaths will be far more than from the virus. 2. Explain how social distancing and masks (if they do anything at all) can do anything other that alter the rate of progression of a pathogen. The reality is that the only thing that can halt the spread is herd immunity or a vaccine (which is artificial herd immunity). I suggest that you seek out the very recent peer reviewed paper by Professor Roger Watson and Doctor Niall McCrae entitled "Will evidence-based medicine be another casualty of COVID-19? " Which concludes that wearing face masks and Lockdown etc are not based on evidence" The same Niall McCrae who is a mental health specialist and know for his alt right views, abusing people in public by calling them 'fucking traitors' and refers to LGBT activists as Nazis.. That Niall McCrae? | |||
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" The same Niall McCrae who is a mental health specialist and know for his alt right views, abusing people in public by calling them 'fucking traitors' and refers to LGBT activists as Nazis.. That Niall McCrae?" Yes, that Niall McCrae. So, not a peer reviewed article and cherry picking an outlier. | |||
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" The same Niall McCrae who is a mental health specialist and know for his alt right views, abusing people in public by calling them 'fucking traitors' and refers to LGBT activists as Nazis.. That Niall McCrae? Yes, that Niall McCrae. So, not a peer reviewed article and cherry picking an outlier. "He could have gotten a mention by the other guy who is very qualified but he's been touted on here by some who are anti mask, saying it's a plandemic etc as one of the top doctors who attend the recent rallies.. | |||
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" The same Niall McCrae who is a mental health specialist and know for his alt right views, abusing people in public by calling them 'fucking traitors' and refers to LGBT activists as Nazis.. That Niall McCrae? Yes, that Niall McCrae. So, not a peer reviewed article and cherry picking an outlier.
He could have gotten a mention by the other guy who is very qualified but he's been touted on here by some who are anti mask, saying it's a plandemic etc as one of the top doctors who attend the recent rallies.."I'm not qualified to say why the article is wrong but it sat badly with me. Not in line with the other science I've heard discussed and seemed more interested in the morality of masking (and sneering at it). | |||
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" A study estimates 40 million people would have died worldwide (in 2020 alone) without governments intervention. 1. The study you refer to is presumably the now very discredited study by Imperial College. Perhaps you should look ay the recent report from Oxfam about the millions more who will die of hunger (not the virus) because of the actions taken. These deaths will be far more than from the virus. 2. Explain how social distancing and masks (if they do anything at all) can do anything other that alter the rate of progression of a pathogen. The reality is that the only thing that can halt the spread is herd immunity or a vaccine (which is artificial herd immunity). I suggest that you seek out the very recent peer reviewed paper by Professor Roger Watson and Doctor Niall McCrae entitled "Will evidence-based medicine be another casualty of COVID-19? " Which concludes that wearing face masks and Lockdown etc are not based on evidence The same Niall McCrae who is a mental health specialist and know for his alt right views, abusing people in public by calling them 'fucking traitors' and refers to LGBT activists as Nazis.. That Niall McCrae?" Just as a matter of interest what is the difference between discredited and very discredited? In lieu of 40 million, what is the correct forecast of mortality of Covid-19 without government intervention? Would 20 or 30 million have been ok then? | |||
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