FabSwingers.com forum: question about covid.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

When was covid first discovered?

Was towards the end of 2019 yes?

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

Yes.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Yes, I know people that had it back then.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes."

Thought so.

Then explain to me why nearly every country was purchasing covid 19 testing kits in 2018

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

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Probably because . . .

Coronaviruses are a family of viruses that cause respiratory and intestinal illnesses in humans and animals. They usually cause mild colds in people but the emergence of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) epidemic in China in 2002–2003 and the Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) on the Arabian Peninsula in 2012 show they can also cause severe disease.

Since December 2019, the world has been battling another coronavirus. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is the virus responsible for the current outbreak of coronavirus disease (COVID-19), which was first identified in Wuhan, China, following reports of serious pneumonia.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

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"Yes.

Thought so.

Then explain to me why nearly every country was purchasing covid 19 testing kits in 2018

Specific covid-19 test kits?

If so whats your source please

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

That doesn't explain why countrys was purchasing a pruduct titled covid 19 testing kits in 2018.

Somthing smells fishy

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

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"That doesn't explain why countrys was purchasing a pruduct titled covid 19 testing kits in 2018.

Somthing smells fishy"

And the proof that they were COVID 19 kits?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Yes.

Thought so.

Then explain to me why nearly every country was purchasing covid 19 testing kits in 2018

Specific covid-19 test kits?

If so whats your source please"

Yes, cite sources please. There's no such thing as a Covid-19 test kit. There are swab kits which could be used to take a wide variety of samples. The "test" is carried out using PCR, which is a molecular biology technique that can compare any genetic material to a known sample. The machinery and reagents required are the same, no matter what the sample is. So, both of things needed for diagnostic testing could also be used for other types of testing and also for research purposes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes.

Thought so.

Then explain to me why nearly every country was purchasing covid 19 testing kits in 2018

Specific covid-19 test kits?

If so whats your source please"

I won't link it incase its not allowed.

But if you type into google product 902780 then click the one worldbank link that says covid 19 diagnostic test instruments.

If takes you to a chart of all the countrys that bought covid 19 testing kits in 2018

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

The WHO named the virus Covid19 on 20 February 2020 so how could items relating to this be purchased earlier ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes.

Thought so.

Then explain to me why nearly every country was purchasing covid 19 testing kits in 2018

Specific covid-19 test kits?

If so whats your source please

Im not sure if the worldbank trading and exports site is a link thats allowed so just type in product 902780 and it will take you to the link you need to see for yourself

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Yes.

Thought so.

Then explain to me why nearly every country was purchasing covid 19 testing kits in 2018

If you have sourced that from a credible source, I assume that you have already sourced details of the times and dates that covid-19 appeared op?

You're referring to covid-19 testing kits from 2018, so reputable sources will be invaluable of course

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Yes.

Thought so.

Then explain to me why nearly every country was purchasing covid 19 testing kits in 2018

Specific covid-19 test kits?

If so whats your source please

I won't link it incase its not allowed.

But if you type into google product 902780 then click the one worldbank link that says covid 19 diagnostic test instruments.

If takes you to a chart of all the countrys that bought covid 19 testing kits in 2018"

Clearly that product code for the World Trade Organisation had its description updated since Covid. The same code links to

"Instruments and apparatus for physical or chemical analysis"

Instruments and apparatus for physical or chemical analysis would include thermocyclers and other instruments used in all types of molecular biology testing, including the techniques used to diagnose Covid. I'd imagine the description of the these products has been updated to better track the availability of such equipment across the globe.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

So all these governments went looking for test kits in 2018 and then we're caught out when it happened in relation to PPE, test and trace systems etc etc..

Smells like conspiracy thread of the day again..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Yes.

Thought so.

Then explain to me why nearly every country was purchasing covid 19 testing kits in 2018

Specific covid-19 test kits?

If so whats your source please

I won't link it incase its not allowed.

But if you type into google product 902780 then click the one worldbank link that says covid 19 diagnostic test instruments.

If takes you to a chart of all the countrys that bought covid 19 testing kits in 2018

Clearly that product code for the World Trade Organisation had its description updated since Covid. The same code links to

"Instruments and apparatus for physical or chemical analysis"

Would that then suggest that the same could be said for other viruses that may appear say next year?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

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Was very curious until I found . . .

Since the data refers to trade before the COVID-19, the analysis does not capture what trade in these products looks like today. It also does not include products such as the COVID-19 tests (including HS 382200 and HS 300215) which were not produced prior to the crisis.

If you search

Trade interdependencies in Covid-19 goods - and read the whole abstract.

Solved.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So all these governments went looking for test kits in 2018 and then we're caught out when it happened in relation to PPE, test and trace systems etc etc..

Smells like conspiracy thread of the day again.."

Just reporting on what a others on social media are asking about this new in formation.

It clearly says in the chart which countrys bought Covid 19 testing kits and apparatus and the quantity and for how much.

All in the year 2018.

Its just one more thing added to the list of others how much this whole thing stinks.

From false data, false statistics..

All the u turns made.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

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From the source page that the OP provided I searched OECD.

Just in case you want to fllow my trail.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"So all these governments went looking for test kits in 2018 and then we're caught out when it happened in relation to PPE, test and trace systems etc etc..

Smells like conspiracy thread of the day again..

Just reporting on what a others on social media are asking about this new in formation.

It clearly says in the chart which countrys bought Covid 19 testing kits and apparatus and the quantity and for how much.

All in the year 2018.

Its just one more thing added to the list of others how much this whole thing stinks.

From false data, false statistics..

All the u turns made.

Someone already solved it so you can chill out now and stop seeing shadows around every corner.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Was very curious until I found . . .

If you search

Trade interdependencies in Covid-19 goods - and read the whole abstract.

Solved. "

Cheers Cat, how easy was it to find?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"From the source page that the OP provided I searched OECD.

Just in case you want to fllow my trail.

Followed it.

I wont pretend i understand it all but I'm happy to hold my hands up when im wrong.

I still think the whole thing stinks overall though.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Text of the OECD article:

OECD Policy Responses to Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Trade interdependencies in Covid-19 goods

05 May 2020

OPEN PDF

Abstract

No single country produces efficiently all the goods it needs to fight COVID-19. Indeed, while the United States and Germany tend to specialise in the production of medical devices, China and Malaysia are most specialised in producing protective garments.

• This means there is strong interdependence in trade in COVID-19 goods. A country might be a top producer of one COVID-19 good, but an importer of others. For instance, for every euro of German exports of COVID-19 goods, Germany imports EUR 0.72 of COVID-19 goods. In the United States, for every dollar of COVID-19 good imports, the US exports USD 0.75 of COVID-19 goods.

• Trade allows production to locate where it is most efficient, helping increase access to more goods at more affordable prices.

• However, many of the countries that tend to supply COVID-19 goods are also those that have been worst hit by the virus to date. This has resulted in growing, albeit often temporary, export restrictions which are currently in place in 69 countries.

• But the export restrictions of one country are restrictions on imports of another; with the high degree of interdependence in trade in COVID-19 products, such measures can have wider impacts, including for developing and low income countries that rely on imports for COVID-19 goods.

• Reducing import barriers on imports of COVID-19 products, even if temporarily, would also help.

Ensuring access to medical equipment and medicines is one of the most immediate issues arising from the COVID-19 crisis. Health services not only need these to fight the virus, but also to protect their workers and others from infection. Increasingly, workers employed in other critical sectors, and the wider public, are also relying on protective garments, such as plastic gloves or facemasks, to reduce transmission.

This note looks at the trade links between countries in some of the products that matter for the fight against COVID-19 (referred to as COVID-19 goods). It uses a recently developed World Customs Organisation (WCO) list identifying COVID-19 critical products, which includes test-kits, protective garments, medical devices and disinfectants1 and trade data from the BACI database to identify trade in these products during the latest available year (2018).2

While slightly dated, this trade data can nonetheless help identify top suppliers and consumers of some of the products that matter for the fight against COVID-19.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So all these governments went looking for test kits in 2018 and then we're caught out when it happened in relation to PPE, test and trace systems etc etc..

Smells like conspiracy thread of the day again..

Just reporting on what a others on social media are asking about this new in formation.

It clearly says in the chart which countrys bought Covid 19 testing kits and apparatus and the quantity and for how much.

All in the year 2018.

Its just one more thing added to the list of others how much this whole thing stinks.

From false data, false statistics..

All the u turns made.

Someone already solved it so you can chill out now and stop seeing shadows around every corner. "

Im not seeing shadows around every corner but i will coninue to question everything.

Thank you for your concern though

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Was very curious until I found . . .

If you search

Trade interdependencies in Covid-19 goods - and read the whole abstract.

Solved.

Cheers Cat, how easy was it to find?"

Err about 24 mins between Feeding my Cat and opnening the door to the Amazon Delivery Chap.

The data is aggregate world trade data.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"So all these governments went looking for test kits in 2018 and then we're caught out when it happened in relation to PPE, test and trace systems etc etc..

Smells like conspiracy thread of the day again..

Just reporting on what a others on social media are asking about this new in formation.

It clearly says in the chart which countrys bought Covid 19 testing kits and apparatus and the quantity and for how much.

All in the year 2018.

Its just one more thing added to the list of others how much this whole thing stinks.

From false data, false statistics..

All the u turns made.

Someone already solved it so you can chill out now and stop seeing shadows around every corner.

Im not seeing shadows around every corner but i will coninue to question everything.

Thank you for your concern though

This is a genuine question but why question everything? Why look for negatives in a world that's already full of them? Why hunt out reasons to be offended and angry? I honestly don't get it.

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By *stwoCouple
over a year ago

anywhere

19 relates to the 19th strain of Covid virus.not the year.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

To to make clear this wasn't my quote

'Since the data refers to trade before the COVID-19, the analysis does not capture what trade in these products looks like today. It also does not include products such as the COVID-19 tests (including HS 382200 and HS 300215) which were not produced prior to the crisis.'

It's from the OECD page.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"19 relates to the 19th strain of Covid virus.not the year."

That's not correct. The 19 stands for the year it was named.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cdcresponse/about-COVID-19.html

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Was very curious until I found . . .

If you search

Trade interdependencies in Covid-19 goods - and read the whole abstract.

Solved.

Cheers Cat, how easy was it to find?

Err about 24 mins between Feeding my Cat and opnening the door to the Amazon Delivery Chap.

The data is aggregate world trade data."

Cheers..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"To to make clear this wasn't my quote

It's from the OECD page."

I went and relayed this information to one of the groups that this link is being shared around on social media.

Im fine with questioning everything but aslong as its with good data and facts.

Seems this link to the purchase of covid 19 tests in 2018 is a red herring and im happy to admit when im wrong.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"To to make clear this wasn't my quote

It's from the OECD page.

I went and relayed this information to one of the groups that this link is being shared around on social media.

Im fine with questioning everything but aslong as its with good data and facts.

Seems this link to the purchase of covid 19 tests in 2018 is a red herring and im happy to admit when im wrong."

Takes a big man to hold his hands up and admit he was wrong, so fair play to you.

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By *ilithxxWoman
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Was very curious until I found . . .

If you search

Trade interdependencies in Covid-19 goods - and read the whole abstract.

Solved.

Cheers Cat, how easy was it to find?

Err about 24 mins between Feeding my Cat and opnening the door to the Amazon Delivery Chap.

The data is aggregate world trade data."

Thank you for doing the ‘dirty’ work for us all, I really didn’t feel like doing it myself, it’s as if I almost knew beforehand how this was going to turn out

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"To to make clear this wasn't my quote

It's from the OECD page.

I went and relayed this information to one of the groups that this link is being shared around on social media.

Im fine with questioning everything but aslong as its with good data and facts.

Seems this link to the purchase of covid 19 tests in 2018 is a red herring and im happy to admit when im wrong."

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Was very curious until I found . . .

If you search

Trade interdependencies in Covid-19 goods - and read the whole abstract.

Solved.

Cheers Cat, how easy was it to find?

Err about 24 mins between Feeding my Cat and opnening the door to the Amazon Delivery Chap.

The data is aggregate world trade data.

Thank you for doing the ‘dirty’ work for us all, I really didn’t feel like doing it myself, it’s as if I almost knew beforehand how this was going to turn out

I was hoping it would sort quickly co's I was only a third of the way through a Global Trade .pdf that is 75 pages long without the notes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was very curious until I found . . .

If you search

Trade interdependencies in Covid-19 goods - and read the whole abstract.

Solved.

Cheers Cat, how easy was it to find?

Err about 24 mins between Feeding my Cat and opnening the door to the Amazon Delivery Chap.

The data is aggregate world trade data.

Thank you for doing the ‘dirty’ work for us all, I really didn’t feel like doing it myself, it’s as if I almost knew beforehand how this was going to turn out

I was hoping it would sort quickly co's I was only a third of the way through a Global Trade .pdf that is 75 pages long without the notes.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"To to make clear this wasn't my quote

It's from the OECD page.

I went and relayed this information to one of the groups that this link is being shared around on social media.

Im fine with questioning everything but aslong as its with good data and facts.

Seems this link to the purchase of covid 19 tests in 2018 is a red herring and im happy to admit when im wrong."

It's amazing that we have a good source of very mixed people here, who can generally evaluate things very well. Ops highlighted this well and it's interesting that we're perhaps better than many of the people who are formulating things and posting on the Internet.

This period has perhaps best shown how easy it has been for misinformation to have been circulated, often reaching millions of people quickly. There are some dubious influences out there, who could stand to gain from others losses and pain. The BBC has had some content, showing the tracing of some of the earlier very widely circulated memes and distortions got to be changed, as well as where they came from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would say dec 2019, dont you think it is strange how the influenza have jumped over this year? It usually comes every year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes.

Thought so.

Then explain to me why nearly every country was purchasing covid 19 testing kits in 2018

Specific covid-19 test kits?

If so whats your source please

I won't link it incase its not allowed.

But if you type into google product 902780 then click the one worldbank link that says covid 19 diagnostic test instruments.

If takes you to a chart of all the countrys that bought covid 19 testing kits in 2018

Clearly that product code for the World Trade Organisation had its description updated since Covid. The same code links to

"Instruments and apparatus for physical or chemical analysis"

You noted that too

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"To to make clear this wasn't my quote

It's from the OECD page.

I went and relayed this information to one of the groups that this link is being shared around on social media.

Im fine with questioning everything but aslong as its with good data and facts.

Seems this link to the purchase of covid 19 tests in 2018 is a red herring and im happy to admit when im wrong.

To tell you the truth when I first saw the page that the op had offered as proof I really did take a sharp intake of breath and thought WTF!!! Maybe he has something here.

It did take quite a bit of reading and searching to find the data that proved it realy wasn't how it first looked.

But this is the problem wuith social media - they don't often do the legwork search.

But as someone else said 'Fair play to the OP for seeing the error'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was very curious until I found . . .

If you search

Trade interdependencies in Covid-19 goods - and read the whole abstract.

Solved.

Cheers Cat, how easy was it to find?

Err about 24 mins between Feeding my Cat and opnening the door to the Amazing Delivery Chap.

The data is aggregate world trade data."

Fixed that to how I read it

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

If you're looking for evidence to confirm the plot you already believe exists, then that is a low bar to reach.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

All this crap is so funny

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"If you're looking for evidence to confirm the plot you already believe exists, then that is a low bar to reach."

The rest of the thread unveils all

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"To to make clear this wasn't my quote

It's from the OECD page.

I went and relayed this information to one of the groups that this link is being shared around on social media.

Im fine with questioning everything but aslong as its with good data and facts.

Seems this link to the purchase of covid 19 tests in 2018 is a red herring and im happy to admit when im wrong."

Keep challenging and love the fact you held your hand up. That's quality.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"To to make clear this wasn't my quote

It's from the OECD page.

I went and relayed this information to one of the groups that this link is being shared around on social media.

Im fine with questioning everything but aslong as its with good data and facts.

Seems this link to the purchase of covid 19 tests in 2018 is a red herring and im happy to admit when im wrong."

Fair play..

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Yes, I know people that had it back then. "

Best tell the world scientists they're wrong then.

The first confirmed cases of coronavirus in the UK were on January 29, when two Chinese nationals fell ill at the Staycity Aparthotel in York.

On February 6, a British businessman in Brighton was diagnosed with the virus after catching in in Singapore.

The so-called ‘super spreader’ was later linked to 11 other cases, five of which were in the UK.

Later that month, on February 28, the first person to catch coronavirus in the UK was diagnosed, a man who lived in Surrey, but who had not been abroad.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"To to make clear this wasn't my quote

It's from the OECD page.

I went and relayed this information to one of the groups that this link is being shared around on social media.

Im fine with questioning everything but aslong as its with good data and facts.

Seems this link to the purchase of covid 19 tests in 2018 is a red herring and im happy to admit when im wrong."

Maybe you should apply a little bit more scepticism about stuff you read on line before rushing to 'it's a conspiracy!!!'

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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"When was covid first discovered?

Was towards the end of 2019 yes?

Depends how you look at it. Coronavirus has been around for years & is well documented. However, the current strain (mutation) is far stronger than previous iterations. So whilst this mutation is ‘new’, coronavirus is not.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"When was covid first discovered?

Was towards the end of 2019 yes?

Coronaviruses are a family of RNA viruses named as such because their protein spikes resemble a crown when visualised with an electron microscope. Whilst all viruses in the family are loosely related, it's not exactly accurate to suggest SARS-COV-2 is just a slightly mutated form of another coronavirus. It is a effectively a "species" all of its own, although viruses don't fit the species descriptor. It's a bit like calling a horse a mutated zebra - they are both equids but are also very very different.

Just remember, humans share approx 95% of their genetic sequences with mice, but we are not mutated murines.

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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"When was covid first discovered?

Was towards the end of 2019 yes?

Just remember, humans share approx 95% of their genetic sequences with mice, but we are not mutated murines. "

Got to disagree there, horses definitely are fucked uo Zebras. Took the best bit & got rid of it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read 60 percent threads on here...covid was known way before it spread to humans as it existed in bats..there was a laboratory that studied bats exactly where covid transfered to humans.

Yes its fishy.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Just remember, humans share approx 95% of their genetic sequences with mice, but we are not mutated murines. "

I think some are pretty damn close though...

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