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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one." Were you talking to Mel C? | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Were you talking to Mel C?" I thought that we could still be friends.. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one." You need something to spice it up ? | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Were you talking to Mel C?" I didn’t know Mel C could hold a conversation!!!! T | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one." What a load of rubbish, of course people that are not in a relationship will be able to have physical contact with others when normal returns. | |||
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"I'll fuck him^^ I’ll watch "I’d pay to watch you watching them!!! But from a distance. T | |||
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Sooooo weird!
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"Can you believe that Mel C had a baby with Eddie Murphy
Sooooo weird!
I reckon she's a swinger "It's easy to confuse Mels. | |||
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"Can you believe that Mel C had a baby with Eddie Murphy
Sooooo weird!
I reckon she's a swinger
It's easy to confuse Mels."Doh 
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"I'll fuck him^^ I’ll watch
I’d pay to watch you watching them!!!
But from a distance.
T"£3.50 a seat and bring your binoculars | |||
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"Can you believe that Mel C had a baby with Eddie Murphy
Sooooo weird!
I reckon she's a swinger
It's easy to confuse Mels."That’s scary! | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one." I don't think so. It's not as if the world hasn't had pandemics before! | |||
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"I'll fuck him^^ I’ll watch
I’d pay to watch you watching them!!!
But from a distance.
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£3.50 a seat and bring your binoculars "What's my cut? | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one." Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. " Lol @wake up! Has this become a phrase now aka Karen? ‘Wake up’ sigh.... | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. " No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. "  | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. " Wake up to what, that some seem to be lacking in any sort of empathy for how others may be feeling that telling them not to be scared will do what exactly? | |||
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"WAKE UP SHEEPLE! What we need to do is just live our lives as if there wasn't a contagious pandemic inducing virus doing the rounds. Yeah a few people will die but that's ok because people die every day. That poor Harold Shipman had it right, yeah he killed a few hundred people but they were going to die anyway so what was all the hoo hah about? Survival of the fittest I say, us younger healthy people should get first dibs on what those sick old fuckers leave behind, we deserve it, it's their own fault for getting old. Some people might say their children should get it but they will get old too so fuck them, give it all to me!" Your sarcasm is going to be missed on a few people, good luck and god speed | |||
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"WAKE UP SHEEPLE! What we need to do is just live our lives as if there wasn't a contagious pandemic inducing virus doing the rounds. Yeah a few people will die but that's ok because people die every day. That poor Harold Shipman had it right, yeah he killed a few hundred people but they were going to die anyway so what was all the hoo hah about? Survival of the fittest I say, us younger healthy people should get first dibs on what those sick old fuckers leave behind, we deserve it, it's their own fault for getting old. Some people might say their children should get it but they will get old too so fuck them, give it all to me!" Are you all right dear. | |||
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"WAKE UP SHEEPLE! What we need to do is just live our lives as if there wasn't a contagious pandemic inducing virus doing the rounds. Yeah a few people will die but that's ok because people die every day. That poor Harold Shipman had it right, yeah he killed a few hundred people but they were going to die anyway so what was all the hoo hah about? Survival of the fittest I say, us younger healthy people should get first dibs on what those sick old fuckers leave behind, we deserve it, it's their own fault for getting old. Some people might say their children should get it but they will get old too so fuck them, give it all to me! Are you all right dear." "I'm alright Jack..." | |||
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"WAKE UP SHEEPLE! What we need to do is just live our lives as if there wasn't a contagious pandemic inducing virus doing the rounds. Yeah a few people will die but that's ok because people die every day. That poor Harold Shipman had it right, yeah he killed a few hundred people but they were going to die anyway so what was all the hoo hah about? Survival of the fittest I say, us younger healthy people should get first dibs on what those sick old fuckers leave behind, we deserve it, it's their own fault for getting old. Some people might say their children should get it but they will get old too so fuck them, give it all to me!" Not that far off the mark with some at times.. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. " This, the ‘wake up’ brigade are keen to say we live in fear when all we do is consider others wellbeing, not just our own, when deciding how to go about resuming ‘normal’ life for the time being | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. " everyone has shown consideration? that's why the nightingale hospitals wasnt needed, thats why the death rate is as low as it is now? or do you believe the population are all selfish fuckers and the virus mutated into a weaker virus and the vast vast majority of people who shown consideration had no effect on the falling hospitalisations and death rates? | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. everyone has shown consideration? that's why the nightingale hospitals wasnt needed, thats why the death rate is as low as it is now? or do you believe the population are all selfish fuckers and the virus mutated into a weaker virus and the vast vast majority of people who shown consideration had no effect on the falling hospitalisations and death rates? " I think the vast majority has shown consideration, the ones who haven’t are usually the louder ones though, but as the virus is still about and there’s no vaccine, that consideration has to be extended longer so people advocating going back to normal, and making the careful considerate people the root of the problem and the reason why we can’t go back to normal are just having a little tantrum, I think it’s perfectly possible right now to not live in fear and still change habits to avoid spreading the infection. | |||
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"Can you believe that Mel C had a baby with Eddie Murphy
Sooooo weird!
I reckon she's a swinger "That Mel B, easy to confuse. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. everyone has shown consideration? that's why the nightingale hospitals wasnt needed, thats why the death rate is as low as it is now? or do you believe the population are all selfish fuckers and the virus mutated into a weaker virus and the vast vast majority of people who shown consideration had no effect on the falling hospitalisations and death rates? " The number of meet requests I’m getting tells me people are selfish yes. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. everyone has shown consideration? that's why the nightingale hospitals wasnt needed, thats why the death rate is as low as it is now? or do you believe the population are all selfish fuckers and the virus mutated into a weaker virus and the vast vast majority of people who shown consideration had no effect on the falling hospitalisations and death rates? I think the vast majority has shown consideration, the ones who haven’t are usually the louder ones though, but as the virus is still about and there’s no vaccine, that consideration has to be extended longer so people advocating going back to normal, and making the careful considerate people the root of the problem and the reason why we can’t go back to normal are just having a little tantrum, I think it’s perfectly possible right now to not live in fear and still change habits to avoid spreading the infection. " . I think most younger people are going back to living their lives as before and eventually it will be people who feel “at risk” who will be the ones who carry on self isolating. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. everyone has shown consideration? that's why the nightingale hospitals wasnt needed, thats why the death rate is as low as it is now? or do you believe the population are all selfish fuckers and the virus mutated into a weaker virus and the vast vast majority of people who shown consideration had no effect on the falling hospitalisations and death rates? " And that is why we need to continue to show consideration, the same vulnerable people are still vulnerable, the virus is still there. | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu " Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection." Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? " So you are saying the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in society should become even more vulnerable and disadvantaged because they have the misfortune to have chronic illnesses or be disabled? Essentially you are declaring millions of people second class citizens who shouldn't have the same rights as the rest of us? | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? " So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there | |||
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"So much doom and gloom The virus will weaken as they all do A partially effective vaccine will be found Treatments will also be found for those infected But some vulnerable people will always die. We will learn to live with it just like we do with seasonal flu which still claims many lives every year." Learning to live with it means adjusting the way we live for a while, until all those things you mentioned, vaccine, treatments are in place, not going back to doing things exactly as we did before Covid, it’s not gloom and doom to say we are not there yet. I don’t live in fear personally, but I have changed the way I do things, mainly cause I want the vulnerable people not to live in fear for longer than they need to | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there" There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid | |||
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"WAKE UP SHEEPLE! What we need to do is just live our lives as if there wasn't a contagious pandemic inducing virus doing the rounds. Yeah a few people will die but that's ok because people die every day. That poor Harold Shipman had it right, yeah he killed a few hundred people but they were going to die anyway so what was all the hoo hah about? Survival of the fittest I say, us younger healthy people should get first dibs on what those sick old fuckers leave behind, we deserve it, it's their own fault for getting old. Some people might say their children should get it but they will get old too so fuck them, give it all to me!" Stick all the old and vulnerable people in isolation camps so the rest of us can live!
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid" Definition of missing the point entirely... we need a facepalm emoji How is going about pretending covid is not here going to help those people waiting for appointments? The quicker and better covid is contained, the earlier other appointments can resume, are you saying let the virus run wild in hospitals but at least you got your appointment for cataracts? | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. everyone has shown consideration? that's why the nightingale hospitals wasnt needed, thats why the death rate is as low as it is now? or do you believe the population are all selfish fuckers and the virus mutated into a weaker virus and the vast vast majority of people who shown consideration had no effect on the falling hospitalisations and death rates? The number of meet requests I’m getting tells me people are selfish yes. " so fit healthy safe people who meet eachother in a safe environment are selfish? | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? " THIS! This should have been the mantra from the start! | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid" The issue of hospital appointments is down to the government. The issue of being careful and not catching covid and infecting other people is down to *you*. Why can't people understand that if *they* are careful, infection rates go down, people are protected. Why is it always someone else's fault?!  | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid Definition of missing the point entirely... we need a facepalm emoji How is going about pretending covid is not here going to help those people waiting for appointments? The quicker and better covid is contained, the earlier other appointments can resume, are you saying let the virus run wild in hospitals but at least you got your appointment for cataracts? " | |||
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"WAKE UP SHEEPLE! What we need to do is just live our lives as if there wasn't a contagious pandemic inducing virus doing the rounds. Yeah a few people will die but that's ok because people die every day. That poor Harold Shipman had it right, yeah he killed a few hundred people but they were going to die anyway so what was all the hoo hah about? Survival of the fittest I say, us younger healthy people should get first dibs on what those sick old fuckers leave behind, we deserve it, it's their own fault for getting old. Some people might say their children should get it but they will get old too so fuck them, give it all to me! Stick all the old and vulnerable people in isolation camps so the rest of us can live!
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? THIS! This should have been the mantra from the start! "You have to love when people out themselves as not giving a damn about others... so as was put before, those unlucky to have a pre existing conditions or are of a certain age are second rate citizens who can be sacrificed? | |||
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You have to love when people out themselves as not giving a damn about others... so as was put before, those unlucky to have a pre existing conditions or are of a certain age are second rate citizens who can be sacrificed? "thank you for the love! have a lovely Saturday! X | |||
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" This, the ‘wake up’ brigade are keen to say we live in fear when all we do is consider others wellbeing, not just our own, when deciding how to go about resuming ‘normal’ life for the time being" Absofuckinglutely
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one." Define relationship. Human contact will always be something humans seek. My relationship status has no bearing on that for me. I will and have hugged my friends I will and have had intimacy and sex whilst technically I'm single. This doesn't make me a bad person. It makes me human | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Define relationship. Human contact will always be something humans seek. My relationship status has no bearing on that for me. I will and have hugged my friends I will and have had intimacy and sex whilst technically I'm single. This doesn't make me a bad person. It makes me human " your not!! Xx    | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. everyone has shown consideration? that's why the nightingale hospitals wasnt needed, thats why the death rate is as low as it is now? or do you believe the population are all selfish fuckers and the virus mutated into a weaker virus and the vast vast majority of people who shown consideration had no effect on the falling hospitalisations and death rates? The number of meet requests I’m getting tells me people are selfish yes. so fit healthy safe people who meet eachother in a safe environment are selfish? " Not selfish at all, we all do what we feel is right for ourselves and the people around us, people on here who have never met us, do not know how we are living our lives, and just like before covid, people on the forums disagree with many things that have been posted, and all are entitled to their own opinions. The difference now is people are just more abusive to others who have different opinions, so a good filter all this abuse is to people they do not know, I myself are happy doing what I am doing, yes I am living life much as before, meeting friends off here etc, judge me as you will, a strangers opinion is worth nothing to me as they have no idea what precautions I take or dont take. People can read anything into a person's post on the threads, not even knowing the full facts, and I dont owe anybody who I dont know any explanation, people who I do know and meet know me anyway and they are the ones who's opinions matter. | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid" You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one." I have a couple of friends that are still freaked out by the thought of touching . . . that's okay . . . I'm still hugging those I love | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Define relationship. Human contact will always be something humans seek. My relationship status has no bearing on that for me. I will and have hugged my friends I will and have had intimacy and sex whilst technically I'm single. This doesn't make me a bad person. It makes me human " Absolutely, you don’t need to be in a conventional relationship to have sex right now, and there are ways to be intimate with people while being aware of the risks, but if you were having sex with multiple partners who were themselves doing the same and you take the same approach right now, just cause you think it’s your right as a human being to do what you please, be prepared for people to think you are on the selfish side of the equation (not talking about you personally) | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. No one is talking about hiding forever just a little consideration in the short term for other people such as the NHS. If your attitude only killed you I’d say go for it but your attitude will potentially kill others. everyone has shown consideration? that's why the nightingale hospitals wasnt needed, thats why the death rate is as low as it is now? or do you believe the population are all selfish fuckers and the virus mutated into a weaker virus and the vast vast majority of people who shown consideration had no effect on the falling hospitalisations and death rates? The number of meet requests I’m getting tells me people are selfish yes. so fit healthy safe people who meet eachother in a safe environment are selfish? Not selfish at all, we all do what we feel is right for ourselves and the people around us, people on here who have never met us, do not know how we are living our lives, and just like before covid, people on the forums disagree with many things that have been posted, and all are entitled to their own opinions. The difference now is people are just more abusive to others who have different opinions, so a good filter all this abuse is to people they do not know, I myself are happy doing what I am doing, yes I am living life much as before, meeting friends off here etc, judge me as you will, a strangers opinion is worth nothing to me as they have no idea what precautions I take or dont take. People can read anything into a person's post on the threads, not even knowing the full facts, and I dont owe anybody who I dont know any explanation, people who I do know and meet know me anyway and they are the ones who's opinions matter. " | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found." The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer " So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there" . Nope, definition of recognising that life and the world has to go on. The fit and able have to get out in the world and work otherwise there will be no resources to even feed everyone never mind care for the vulnerable. Hiding behind the sofa has never achieved anything. Too many lazy sanctimoneous self righteous types adopting the higher moral ground out of ignorance of how the world works | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there. Nope, definition of recognising that life and the world has to go on. The fit and able have to get out in the world and work otherwise there will be no resources to even feed everyone never mind care for the vulnerable. Hiding behind the sofa has never achieved anything. Too many lazy sanctimoneous self righteous types adopting the higher moral ground out of ignorance of how the world works" | |||
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" Absolutely, you don’t need to be in a conventional relationship to have sex right now, and there are ways to be intimate with people while being aware of the risks, but if you were having sex with multiple partners who were themselves doing the same and you take the same approach right now, just cause you think it’s your right as a human being to do what you please, be prepared for people to think you are on the selfish side of the equation (not talking about you personally)" | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there. Nope, definition of recognising that life and the world has to go on. The fit and able have to get out in the world and work otherwise there will be no resources to even feed everyone never mind care for the vulnerable. Hiding behind the sofa has never achieved anything. Too many lazy sanctimoneous self righteous types adopting the higher moral ground out of ignorance of how the world works" Life does have to go on and is indeed going on, just not exactly the same way it was pre covid, the fit and able ARE out and working under altered conditions, some of which are uncomfortable and inconvenient. Small price to pay to help those less fortunate. No one is hiding behind any sofas, as you love to keep repeating. People are recognising that for now, and maybe for a long time, we should not behave in exactly the same way we did just cause ‘life has to go on’ | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away" If the anti mask/ non social distancing people keep running around doing what they like, the vulnerable people waiting for hospital appointments will be infected and possibly die = waiting lists reduced! Perhaps we are misunderstanding their game plan.  | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away If the anti mask/ non social distancing people keep running around doing what they like, the vulnerable people waiting for hospital appointments will be infected and possibly die = waiting lists reduced! Perhaps we are misunderstanding their game plan. "Cunning plan! I get it now | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away" In the UK 200,000 missed cancer screenings every day during full lockdown. Even now NHS covid restrictions caused the backlog to rise further. Some figures that don't make the daily news... 450 die in the UK to cancer. Wc Aug 7th 152 covid deaths vs Flu and pneumonia which killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week (ONS data) Pre covid 20 suicides a day. Atm in areas I have data access to that figure is at least double. So 20 excess suicide figures daily which disproportionately are of the young age range. Lots of studies will show the devastating effects to mental health that lockdown restrictions have caused. Countless businesses closing, people loosing their jobs, unemployment rising and furlough hasn't ended yet. The economic destruction has only just started. This won't be just a recession it will be the great depression globally. UK daily deaths figures this month... Sept 1st = 3 deaths Sept 2nd = 10 deaths Sept 3rd = 13 deaths Sept 4th = 10 deaths So the media doesn't focus on this anymore instead they switch to the rising number of cases to keep the fear going. Of course the don't point on doing more tests means more positive results. The most important thing is the percentage of those tested positive is stable but that doesn't fit the narrative. I'm a key worker who has worked throughout lockdown. I speak with a lot of our residents who are vulnerable to covid and many don't care anymore and they certainly don't want cancer patients, transplant patients, young people to loose out on education and a career creating a lost generation to give them potentially a few more months / year. I see a lot of our elderly and most vulnerable (previously shielding who we helped with food parcels etc) out in town these days in the supermarkets without masks. One of them Jeff aged 82 said to me in Heron yesterday ill be damed if I'm gonna spend my last days hidden away in fear that's not living. What bothers him most is all the knock on effects to his children, grand children and great grand children. KJ | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away In the UK 200,000 missed cancer screenings every day during full lockdown. Even now NHS covid restrictions caused the backlog to rise further. Some figures that don't make the daily news... 450 die in the UK to cancer. Wc Aug 7th 152 covid deaths vs Flu and pneumonia which killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week (ONS data) Pre covid 20 suicides a day. Atm in areas I have data access to that figure is at least double. So 20 excess suicide figures daily which disproportionately are of the young age range. Lots of studies will show the devastating effects to mental health that lockdown restrictions have caused. Countless businesses closing, people loosing their jobs, unemployment rising and furlough hasn't ended yet. The economic destruction has only just started. This won't be just a recession it will be the great depression globally. UK daily deaths figures this month... Sept 1st = 3 deaths Sept 2nd = 10 deaths Sept 3rd = 13 deaths Sept 4th = 10 deaths So the media doesn't focus on this anymore instead they switch to the rising number of cases to keep the fear going. Of course the don't point on doing more tests means more positive results. The most important thing is the percentage of those tested positive is stable but that doesn't fit the narrative. I'm a key worker who has worked throughout lockdown. I speak with a lot of our residents who are vulnerable to covid and many don't care anymore and they certainly don't want cancer patients, transplant patients, young people to loose out on education and a career creating a lost generation to give them potentially a few more months / year. I see a lot of our elderly and most vulnerable (previously shielding who we helped with food parcels etc) out in town these days in the supermarkets without masks. One of them Jeff aged 82 said to me in Heron yesterday ill be damed if I'm gonna spend my last days hidden away in fear that's not living. What bothers him most is all the knock on effects to his children, grand children and great grand children. KJ " No one denies any of those facts. No one denies it’sa very complex situation with many ramifications. But what’s the narrative? Keep the fear? For what? All is being asked of us is to wear a mask, wash our hands, keep our social distance and be aware of how we interact with others to minimise the risk of spreading covid (and I don’t mean by the government, they couldn’t care less about us). It’s exactly cause we don’t want Jeff aged 82 in Heron to have to isolate for ever or just have to not care if he catches covid that we should be doing all those things for longer, rather than moan about our ‘freedoms’ | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away In the UK 200,000 missed cancer screenings every day during full lockdown. Even now NHS covid restrictions caused the backlog to rise further. Some figures that don't make the daily news... 450 die in the UK to cancer. Wc Aug 7th 152 covid deaths vs Flu and pneumonia which killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week (ONS data) Pre covid 20 suicides a day. Atm in areas I have data access to that figure is at least double. So 20 excess suicide figures daily which disproportionately are of the young age range. Lots of studies will show the devastating effects to mental health that lockdown restrictions have caused. Countless businesses closing, people loosing their jobs, unemployment rising and furlough hasn't ended yet. The economic destruction has only just started. This won't be just a recession it will be the great depression globally. UK daily deaths figures this month... Sept 1st = 3 deaths Sept 2nd = 10 deaths Sept 3rd = 13 deaths Sept 4th = 10 deaths So the media doesn't focus on this anymore instead they switch to the rising number of cases to keep the fear going. Of course the don't point on doing more tests means more positive results. The most important thing is the percentage of those tested positive is stable but that doesn't fit the narrative. I'm a key worker who has worked throughout lockdown. I speak with a lot of our residents who are vulnerable to covid and many don't care anymore and they certainly don't want cancer patients, transplant patients, young people to loose out on education and a career creating a lost generation to give them potentially a few more months / year. I see a lot of our elderly and most vulnerable (previously shielding who we helped with food parcels etc) out in town these days in the supermarkets without masks. One of them Jeff aged 82 said to me in Heron yesterday ill be damed if I'm gonna spend my last days hidden away in fear that's not living. What bothers him most is all the knock on effects to his children, grand children and great grand children. KJ " Are you sure about your numbers for cancer screening? Cancer research figures for 2015_17 quotes 367,000 per annum for that period.. Don't even think we have the capacity to screen 200,000 per day..? And that figure equates to about 6 million per month of the lockdown? | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away In the UK 200,000 missed cancer screenings every day during full lockdown. Even now NHS covid restrictions caused the backlog to rise further. Some figures that don't make the daily news... 450 die in the UK to cancer. Wc Aug 7th 152 covid deaths vs Flu and pneumonia which killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week (ONS data) Pre covid 20 suicides a day. Atm in areas I have data access to that figure is at least double. So 20 excess suicide figures daily which disproportionately are of the young age range. Lots of studies will show the devastating effects to mental health that lockdown restrictions have caused. Countless businesses closing, people loosing their jobs, unemployment rising and furlough hasn't ended yet. The economic destruction has only just started. This won't be just a recession it will be the great depression globally. UK daily deaths figures this month... Sept 1st = 3 deaths Sept 2nd = 10 deaths Sept 3rd = 13 deaths Sept 4th = 10 deaths So the media doesn't focus on this anymore instead they switch to the rising number of cases to keep the fear going. Of course the don't point on doing more tests means more positive results. The most important thing is the percentage of those tested positive is stable but that doesn't fit the narrative. I'm a key worker who has worked throughout lockdown. I speak with a lot of our residents who are vulnerable to covid and many don't care anymore and they certainly don't want cancer patients, transplant patients, young people to loose out on education and a career creating a lost generation to give them potentially a few more months / year. I see a lot of our elderly and most vulnerable (previously shielding who we helped with food parcels etc) out in town these days in the supermarkets without masks. One of them Jeff aged 82 said to me in Heron yesterday ill be damed if I'm gonna spend my last days hidden away in fear that's not living. What bothers him most is all the knock on effects to his children, grand children and great grand children. KJ Are you sure about your numbers for cancer screening? Cancer research figures for 2015_17 quotes 367,000 per annum for that period.. Don't even think we have the capacity to screen 200,000 per day..? And that figure equates to about 6 million per month of the lockdown?" I can say with a very high degree of certainty that the NHS does not have the capacity to provide 200,000 cancer appointments a day, nor does it have the need to. There are approximately 1000 cancers diagnosed per day in the UK. | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away In the UK 200,000 missed cancer screenings every day during full lockdown. Even now NHS covid restrictions caused the backlog to rise further. Some figures that don't make the daily news... 450 die in the UK to cancer. Wc Aug 7th 152 covid deaths vs Flu and pneumonia which killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week (ONS data) Pre covid 20 suicides a day. Atm in areas I have data access to that figure is at least double. So 20 excess suicide figures daily which disproportionately are of the young age range. Lots of studies will show the devastating effects to mental health that lockdown restrictions have caused. Countless businesses closing, people loosing their jobs, unemployment rising and furlough hasn't ended yet. The economic destruction has only just started. This won't be just a recession it will be the great depression globally. UK daily deaths figures this month... Sept 1st = 3 deaths Sept 2nd = 10 deaths Sept 3rd = 13 deaths Sept 4th = 10 deaths So the media doesn't focus on this anymore instead they switch to the rising number of cases to keep the fear going. Of course the don't point on doing more tests means more positive results. The most important thing is the percentage of those tested positive is stable but that doesn't fit the narrative. I'm a key worker who has worked throughout lockdown. I speak with a lot of our residents who are vulnerable to covid and many don't care anymore and they certainly don't want cancer patients, transplant patients, young people to loose out on education and a career creating a lost generation to give them potentially a few more months / year. I see a lot of our elderly and most vulnerable (previously shielding who we helped with food parcels etc) out in town these days in the supermarkets without masks. One of them Jeff aged 82 said to me in Heron yesterday ill be damed if I'm gonna spend my last days hidden away in fear that's not living. What bothers him most is all the knock on effects to his children, grand children and great grand children. KJ Are you sure about your numbers for cancer screening? Cancer research figures for 2015_17 quotes 367,000 per annum for that period.. Don't even think we have the capacity to screen 200,000 per day..? And that figure equates to about 6 million per month of the lockdown? I can say with a very high degree of certainty that the NHS does not have the capacity to provide 200,000 cancer appointments a day, nor does it have the need to. There are approximately 1000 cancers diagnosed per day in the UK." More or less what I thought, maybe it's a typo.. | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away In the UK 200,000 missed cancer screenings every day during full lockdown. Even now NHS covid restrictions caused the backlog to rise further. Some figures that don't make the daily news... 450 die in the UK to cancer. Wc Aug 7th 152 covid deaths vs Flu and pneumonia which killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week (ONS data) Pre covid 20 suicides a day. Atm in areas I have data access to that figure is at least double. So 20 excess suicide figures daily which disproportionately are of the young age range. Lots of studies will show the devastating effects to mental health that lockdown restrictions have caused. Countless businesses closing, people loosing their jobs, unemployment rising and furlough hasn't ended yet. The economic destruction has only just started. This won't be just a recession it will be the great depression globally. UK daily deaths figures this month... Sept 1st = 3 deaths Sept 2nd = 10 deaths Sept 3rd = 13 deaths Sept 4th = 10 deaths So the media doesn't focus on this anymore instead they switch to the rising number of cases to keep the fear going. Of course the don't point on doing more tests means more positive results. The most important thing is the percentage of those tested positive is stable but that doesn't fit the narrative. I'm a key worker who has worked throughout lockdown. I speak with a lot of our residents who are vulnerable to covid and many don't care anymore and they certainly don't want cancer patients, transplant patients, young people to loose out on education and a career creating a lost generation to give them potentially a few more months / year. I see a lot of our elderly and most vulnerable (previously shielding who we helped with food parcels etc) out in town these days in the supermarkets without masks. One of them Jeff aged 82 said to me in Heron yesterday ill be damed if I'm gonna spend my last days hidden away in fear that's not living. What bothers him most is all the knock on effects to his children, grand children and great grand children. KJ " | |||
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"WAKE UP SHEEPLE! What we need to do is just live our lives as if there wasn't a contagious pandemic inducing virus doing the rounds. Yeah a few people will die but that's ok because people die every day. That poor Harold Shipman had it right, yeah he killed a few hundred people but they were going to die anyway so what was all the hoo hah about? Survival of the fittest I say, us younger healthy people should get first dibs on what those sick old fuckers leave behind, we deserve it, it's their own fault for getting old. Some people might say their children should get it but they will get old too so fuck them, give it all to me!" Goodness, what an awful attitude to have. ‘Poor Harold Shipman’ who killed people that were going to die anyway! I doubt a relative of one of those people would appreciate your sarcasm! Getting old is a persons fault! Where do you deduce that from? One day you will be old. Your sarcasm and attention seeking comments won’t be appreciated by most on here and will help people decide who not to meet after Covid-19 is over! Good luck you will need it with this attitude. | |||
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"WAKE UP SHEEPLE! What we need to do is just live our lives as if there wasn't a contagious pandemic inducing virus doing the rounds. Yeah a few people will die but that's ok because people die every day. That poor Harold Shipman had it right, yeah he killed a few hundred people but they were going to die anyway so what was all the hoo hah about? Survival of the fittest I say, us younger healthy people should get first dibs on what those sick old fuckers leave behind, we deserve it, it's their own fault for getting old. Some people might say their children should get it but they will get old too so fuck them, give it all to me! Goodness, what an awful attitude to have. ‘Poor Harold Shipman’ who killed people that were going to die anyway! I doubt a relative of one of those people would appreciate your sarcasm! Getting old is a persons fault! Where do you deduce that from? One day you will be old. Your sarcasm and attention seeking comments won’t be appreciated by most on here and will help people decide who not to meet after Covid-19 is over! Good luck you will need it with this attitude. " Sarcasm: the use of remarks that clearly mean the opposite of what they say, speech or writing which actually means the opposite of what it seems to say. Sarcasm is usually intended to mock or insult someone. Irony really escapes some people... unless this was sarcasm and I didn’t get it! | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. " So your in town crossing the road I wate for the gap. I guess you just put the blindfold on and go for it | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away In the UK 200,000 missed cancer screenings every day during full lockdown. Even now NHS covid restrictions caused the backlog to rise further. Some figures that don't make the daily news... 450 die in the UK to cancer. Wc Aug 7th 152 covid deaths vs Flu and pneumonia which killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week (ONS data) Pre covid 20 suicides a day. Atm in areas I have data access to that figure is at least double. So 20 excess suicide figures daily which disproportionately are of the young age range. Lots of studies will show the devastating effects to mental health that lockdown restrictions have caused. Countless businesses closing, people loosing their jobs, unemployment rising and furlough hasn't ended yet. The economic destruction has only just started. This won't be just a recession it will be the great depression globally. UK daily deaths figures this month... Sept 1st = 3 deaths Sept 2nd = 10 deaths Sept 3rd = 13 deaths Sept 4th = 10 deaths So the media doesn't focus on this anymore instead they switch to the rising number of cases to keep the fear going. Of course the don't point on doing more tests means more positive results. The most important thing is the percentage of those tested positive is stable but that doesn't fit the narrative. I'm a key worker who has worked throughout lockdown. I speak with a lot of our residents who are vulnerable to covid and many don't care anymore and they certainly don't want cancer patients, transplant patients, young people to loose out on education and a career creating a lost generation to give them potentially a few more months / year. I see a lot of our elderly and most vulnerable (previously shielding who we helped with food parcels etc) out in town these days in the supermarkets without masks. One of them Jeff aged 82 said to me in Heron yesterday ill be damed if I'm gonna spend my last days hidden away in fear that's not living. What bothers him most is all the knock on effects to his children, grand children and great grand children. KJ Are you sure about your numbers for cancer screening? Cancer research figures for 2015_17 quotes 367,000 per annum for that period.. Don't even think we have the capacity to screen 200,000 per day..? And that figure equates to about 6 million per month of the lockdown?" 6 million a month lol that's every one ever year would be nice to her be scan every year see if any lumps are there | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away In the UK 200,000 missed cancer screenings every day during full lockdown. Even now NHS covid restrictions caused the backlog to rise further. Some figures that don't make the daily news... 450 die in the UK to cancer. Wc Aug 7th 152 covid deaths vs Flu and pneumonia which killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week (ONS data) Pre covid 20 suicides a day. Atm in areas I have data access to that figure is at least double. So 20 excess suicide figures daily which disproportionately are of the young age range. Lots of studies will show the devastating effects to mental health that lockdown restrictions have caused. Countless businesses closing, people loosing their jobs, unemployment rising and furlough hasn't ended yet. The economic destruction has only just started. This won't be just a recession it will be the great depression globally. UK daily deaths figures this month... Sept 1st = 3 deaths Sept 2nd = 10 deaths Sept 3rd = 13 deaths Sept 4th = 10 deaths So the media doesn't focus on this anymore instead they switch to the rising number of cases to keep the fear going. Of course the don't point on doing more tests means more positive results. The most important thing is the percentage of those tested positive is stable but that doesn't fit the narrative. I'm a key worker who has worked throughout lockdown. I speak with a lot of our residents who are vulnerable to covid and many don't care anymore and they certainly don't want cancer patients, transplant patients, young people to loose out on education and a career creating a lost generation to give them potentially a few more months / year. I see a lot of our elderly and most vulnerable (previously shielding who we helped with food parcels etc) out in town these days in the supermarkets without masks. One of them Jeff aged 82 said to me in Heron yesterday ill be damed if I'm gonna spend my last days hidden away in fear that's not living. What bothers him most is all the knock on effects to his children, grand children and great grand children. KJ Are you sure about your numbers for cancer screening? Cancer research figures for 2015_17 quotes 367,000 per annum for that period.. Don't even think we have the capacity to screen 200,000 per day..? And that figure equates to about 6 million per month of the lockdown? I can say with a very high degree of certainty that the NHS does not have the capacity to provide 200,000 cancer appointments a day, nor does it have the need to. There are approximately 1000 cancers diagnosed per day in the UK. More or less what I thought, maybe it's a typo.." As my my follow up message said maybe some typos due to this new mobile it should have read 20,000 screenings per day of which about 1000 cancers are diagnosed which another poster highlighted. KJ | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there There is according to Telegraph 1500000 million people waiting for Hospital appointments even Government has admitted to 5 million some with life threading illness but hey Covid is the only game in town if you die of something else don’t worry least you never got covid You should take a look at the figures of people who were waiting pre-Covid. However it is possible for people to have hospital appointments while people are still inconvenienced by restrictions, in fact it will be far easier as there will be less Covid around in the population. So in reality if your primary concern is people not getting hospital appointments then you should be happy to keep being inconvenienced until a vaccine is found.The NHS confederation people actually waiting for hospital treatment will double by end of the year to 10 million this includes serious illness such as Cancer So as we pointed out to you before, if you are so concerned about hospital appointments, you surely must be happy to do your bit and be inconvenienced until a vaccine is found? Anything to avoid further spreading of covid till then? Yet, your response is let’s carry on living life as before and let the virus run wild and do its thing, if we ignore it enough it’ll just go away In the UK 200,000 missed cancer screenings every day during full lockdown. Even now NHS covid restrictions caused the backlog to rise further. Some figures that don't make the daily news... 450 die in the UK to cancer. Wc Aug 7th 152 covid deaths vs Flu and pneumonia which killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the same week (ONS data) Pre covid 20 suicides a day. Atm in areas I have data access to that figure is at least double. So 20 excess suicide figures daily which disproportionately are of the young age range. Lots of studies will show the devastating effects to mental health that lockdown restrictions have caused. Countless businesses closing, people loosing their jobs, unemployment rising and furlough hasn't ended yet. The economic destruction has only just started. This won't be just a recession it will be the great depression globally. UK daily deaths figures this month... Sept 1st = 3 deaths Sept 2nd = 10 deaths Sept 3rd = 13 deaths Sept 4th = 10 deaths So the media doesn't focus on this anymore instead they switch to the rising number of cases to keep the fear going. Of course the don't point on doing more tests means more positive results. The most important thing is the percentage of those tested positive is stable but that doesn't fit the narrative. I'm a key worker who has worked throughout lockdown. I speak with a lot of our residents who are vulnerable to covid and many don't care anymore and they certainly don't want cancer patients, transplant patients, young people to loose out on education and a career creating a lost generation to give them potentially a few more months / year. I see a lot of our elderly and most vulnerable (previously shielding who we helped with food parcels etc) out in town these days in the supermarkets without masks. One of them Jeff aged 82 said to me in Heron yesterday ill be damed if I'm gonna spend my last days hidden away in fear that's not living. What bothers him most is all the knock on effects to his children, grand children and great grand children. KJ No one denies any of those facts. No one denies it’sa very complex situation with many ramifications. But what’s the narrative? Keep the fear? For what? All is being asked of us is to wear a mask, wash our hands, keep our social distance and be aware of how we interact with others to minimise the risk of spreading covid (and I don’t mean by the government, they couldn’t care less about us). It’s exactly cause we don’t want Jeff aged 82 in Heron to have to isolate for ever or just have to not care if he catches covid that we should be doing all those things for longer, rather than moan about our ‘freedoms’" I've no problem wearing masks, washing hands and social distancing where possible along with mitigation as available eg screens etc. Everyone can and should do that. The issue is all the policies that are destroying businesses by keeping them from trading, etc. For me we need to stop further destruction to the economy now and get everyone back to work and trading as per pre covid. Just as we have to support children all going back to school now. It's funny how Sweden a country which never implemented a full lockdown at any point has the same death rate curves as the countries that did. It makes the case that social distancing when possible, handwashing, masks etc are probably the most effective tools available. Not destroying businesses by blocking them from operating. KJ | |||
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"It's funny how Sweden a country which never implemented a full lockdown at any point has the same death rate curves as the countries that did. It makes the case that social distancing when possible, handwashing, masks etc are probably the most effective tools available. Not destroying businesses by blocking them from operating. KJ " Sweden is an interesting case. Firstly it's not true to say that Sweden didn't implement a lock down, it did but is was on a more voluntary basis rather than backed up by law. Using spending as an indicator of behaviour the reduction in spending in Sweden has been 25% whereas in Denmark (which went in to lock down earlier than any other European country) spending reduced by 29% over the same period. Travel in Stockholm also reduced by 40% Second, Sweden's death rate, is higher than that of the US, and it is more than five times higher than it's southern neighbour Denmark and 11 times higher than it's eastern neighbour Norway. Its infection rates are more than 4 times that of Norway and more than 3 times that of Denmark but have failed to get over 20% of the population when 70% is needed for herd immunity. Sweden's death rate spiked higher than most countries and took longer to come down, it's spending levels too are taking longer to recover. We should also take into account the Swedes much greater level of social awareness than we have in the UK. They have long welcomed much higher levels of direct and indirect taxation so as to be able to afford much higher levels of spending on healthcare and infrastructure projects. Take a look at Norkopping if you want an example of how the Swedes participate far more in socially enlightened ideas than we do in the UK. There is a tendency for us humans to look for simple answers to complex situations, we're becoming even more guilty of it in this country unfortunately, so comparisons to Sweden are understandable, they are however deeply flawed. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. I don't think so. It's not as if the world hasn't had pandemics before!" Exactly! Jeez x | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. Wake up. It's attitudes like this that are stopping things getting back to normal. Are you exceptionally vulnerable to covid? Do you live with someone who is? If you answered no to those two questions then I'm curious why you feel you have to keep on hiding from life. Covid is not going to disappear. A vaccine is unlikely to prove the magic bullet everyone seems to be waiting for. Bottom line, we need to live with it. What sort of life that is, well that choice is up to us. We can live in fear or we can live. Our choice. The virus doesn't care, it'll do what viruses do regardless. People die from viuses every day - flu, viral meningitis, measles to name but a few. Now we add covid to that list. " | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one. I don't think so. It's not as if the world hasn't had pandemics before! Exactly! Jeez x" True the Spanish flu, for instance, killed 228,000 people in the UK and infected a quarter of the population, the government suppressed advice to stay at home and not take public transport for fear of harming the economy. | |||
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"I get that single people are missing meeting but it won’t be like this for ever. your being ask to be Patient " The problem for single people is that we have now been almost six months with no physical contact and no end in sight. So much easier for couples. | |||
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"I was speaking to this person the other day and they were saying they cannot wait till life gets back to normal. I think people have got to realise what we had before for human contact if you're not in a relationship is always going to be a difficult one." Things will get back to how they were it’s been the same through history with new strains of flu and illness, we have had a tragic loss in life and lots died before there time but we will always get back to normal it’s just those who are scared to that won’t life has to go on even though the losses hurt if we don’t we will suffer more in the long run from other things | |||
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"I get that single people are missing meeting but it won’t be like this for ever. your being ask to be Patient The problem for single people is that we have now been almost six months with no physical contact and no end in sight. So much easier for couples. " Witch is what I said. So just think how hard it would be if a second wave does hit. | |||
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" The problem for single people is that we have now been almost six months with no physical contact and no end in sight. So much easier for couples. " This is what 95% of the men on fab refer to as 'life'. | |||
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" Witch is what I said. So just think how hard it would be if a second wave does hit. " It wouldn't be much different except the pubs would shut, which I have only been in twice. | |||
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"The post regarding Sweden was eloquently wrote especially stating as humans we sometimes look through a narrow lens trying to simplify complex problems to seek answers. I've listened Swedens Johnan Giescke, Anders Tengell is the Epidemiologist steering the country through Covid 19. There both undoubtedly very qualified and fine men and obviously there one a few countries who did not implement a lockdown as stated, social distancing, hygiene, Events with more than 50 prohibited, encouraged working from home ect. Anders Tengell admitted and kudos to his honesty that their was a systemic mistake protecting the most vulnerable in the care homes which resulted in probably half of Swedens deaths which to date is approximately 5832 which equates to 572 deaths per million The following paragraph is made by a Swedish doctor working in as a emergency care physician in Stockholm. Sweden ripped the metaphorical band-aid off quickly and got the epidemic over and done with in a short amount of time, while the rest of the world has chosen to try to peel the band-aid off slowly. At present that means Sweden has one of the highest total death rates in the world. But COVID is over in Sweden. People have gone back to their normal lives and barely anyone is getting infected any more. Headline 4/9/20 MSM Lockdown-free Sweden's coronavirus case rate is now lower than Nordic neighbours Denmark and Norway with just 12 new infections per million people over the past week. As stated 5 times greater then Denmark , Professor Johan Gieske has stated judge Sweden in a years time whether there policy was the right one but is adamant that lockdowns are not feasible in a free society. Yes I agree that Swedes and Scandinavians are much more compliant than British people to be sensible. Complex problems indeed. That's my two cents, quid pro quo is healthy for society, to all have a voice anòd share experiences, opinions respectfully. " | |||
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"The post regarding Sweden was eloquently wrote especially stating as humans we sometimes look through a narrow lens trying to simplify complex problems to seek answers. I've listened Swedens Johnan Giescke, Anders Tengell is the Epidemiologist steering the country through Covid 19. There both undoubtedly very qualified and fine men and obviously there one a few countries who did not implement a lockdown as stated, social distancing, hygiene, Events with more than 50 prohibited, encouraged working from home ect. Anders Tengell admitted and kudos to his honesty that their was a systemic mistake protecting the most vulnerable in the care homes which resulted in probably half of Swedens deaths which to date is approximately 5832 which equates to 572 deaths per million The following paragraph is made by a Swedish doctor working in as a emergency care physician in Stockholm. Sweden ripped the metaphorical band-aid off quickly and got the epidemic over and done with in a short amount of time, while the rest of the world has chosen to try to peel the band-aid off slowly. At present that means Sweden has one of the highest total death rates in the world. But COVID is over in Sweden. People have gone back to their normal lives and barely anyone is getting infected any more. Headline 4/9/20 MSM Lockdown-free Sweden's coronavirus case rate is now lower than Nordic neighbours Denmark and Norway with just 12 new infections per million people over the past week. As stated 5 times greater then Denmark , Professor Johan Gieske has stated judge Sweden in a years time whether there policy was the right one but is adamant that lockdowns are not feasible in a free society. Yes I agree that Swedes and Scandinavians are much more compliant than British people to be sensible. Complex problems indeed. That's my two cents, quid pro quo is healthy for society, to all have a voice anòd share experiences, opinions respectfully. " It's worth noting though that despite the combined populations of Norway and Denmark being roughly the same as that of Sweden, their combined death toll from Covid-19 is 891, as opposed to Sweden's 5,835. Also worth dwelling on this part "Scandinavians are much more compliant than British people to be sensible." It is dangerous to rely on people who have time and time again proved themselves to be unable to behave sensibly, to behave sensibly. | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there" More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then. | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then." I propose that we don’t turn the sick, disabled and elderly into second class citizens. Once you start to separate people from society like that it leads to horrible things happening. We would cease to be a real society, abandoning those we deem defective to their fate so we can carry on our lives as normal. That is the stuff of dystopian film and literature, what does it say about us if we go down that route? | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then." If by returning to normal you mean to the way things were before covid, no, we don’t have to, that ‘someday’ is not now. No one talked about a full lockdown, let’s hope we are not forced to it because of attitudes like yours. And selfish cause you are condemning the vulnerable to longer isolation than it would be necessary, with all the mental stress and additional problems to their underlying conditions, but who cares? As long as the fit and able don’t have to put up with being inconvenienced, after all they are the useful part of society right? So what do you propose, ignore the virus, pretend is not infectious, pretend it can also affect the not vulnerable, pretend it doesn’t cause long term damage in many? | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then. I propose that we don’t turn the sick, disabled and elderly into second class citizens. Once you start to separate people from society like that it leads to horrible things happening. We would cease to be a real society, abandoning those we deem defective to their fate so we can carry on our lives as normal. That is the stuff of dystopian film and literature, what does it say about us if we go down that route?" Much better put than me, thank you | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then. If by returning to normal you mean to the way things were before covid, no, we don’t have to, that ‘someday’ is not now. No one talked about a full lockdown, let’s hope we are not forced to it because of attitudes like yours. And selfish cause you are condemning the vulnerable to longer isolation than it would be necessary, with all the mental stress and additional problems to their underlying conditions, but who cares? As long as the fit and able don’t have to put up with being inconvenienced, after all they are the useful part of society right? So what do you propose, ignore the virus, pretend is not infectious, pretend it can also affect the not vulnerable, pretend it doesn’t cause long term damage in many? " Surely everyone should go about their day but be vigilant, the virus is here to stay like the common cold and flu. Those who are able work to keep the economy going before the country is on it's knees. If you're in an at risk group then do what you need to stay safe. Sounds like you're selfish expecting everyone else to take as much precaution as someone vunerable when there is no need too. | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then. If by returning to normal you mean to the way things were before covid, no, we don’t have to, that ‘someday’ is not now. No one talked about a full lockdown, let’s hope we are not forced to it because of attitudes like yours. And selfish cause you are condemning the vulnerable to longer isolation than it would be necessary, with all the mental stress and additional problems to their underlying conditions, but who cares? As long as the fit and able don’t have to put up with being inconvenienced, after all they are the useful part of society right? So what do you propose, ignore the virus, pretend is not infectious, pretend it can also affect the not vulnerable, pretend it doesn’t cause long term damage in many? Surely everyone should go about their day but be vigilant, the virus is here to stay like the common cold and flu. Those who are able work to keep the economy going before the country is on it's knees. If you're in an at risk group then do what you need to stay safe. Sounds like you're selfish expecting everyone else to take as much precaution as someone vunerable when there is no need too. " Well said | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then. If by returning to normal you mean to the way things were before covid, no, we don’t have to, that ‘someday’ is not now. No one talked about a full lockdown, let’s hope we are not forced to it because of attitudes like yours. And selfish cause you are condemning the vulnerable to longer isolation than it would be necessary, with all the mental stress and additional problems to their underlying conditions, but who cares? As long as the fit and able don’t have to put up with being inconvenienced, after all they are the useful part of society right? So what do you propose, ignore the virus, pretend is not infectious, pretend it can also affect the not vulnerable, pretend it doesn’t cause long term damage in many? Surely everyone should go about their day but be vigilant, the virus is here to stay like the common cold and flu. Those who are able work to keep the economy going before the country is on it's knees. If you're in an at risk group then do what you need to stay safe. Sounds like you're selfish expecting everyone else to take as much precaution as someone vunerable when there is no need too. " Sounds like you’re saying fuck the chronically ill, disabled and elderly so you can get back to doing what you want. A society is defined by how well it looks after those who need the most help, not those who need the least. Once we’ve decided that the ill, disabled and elderly are disposable then who next? | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then. If by returning to normal you mean to the way things were before covid, no, we don’t have to, that ‘someday’ is not now. No one talked about a full lockdown, let’s hope we are not forced to it because of attitudes like yours. And selfish cause you are condemning the vulnerable to longer isolation than it would be necessary, with all the mental stress and additional problems to their underlying conditions, but who cares? As long as the fit and able don’t have to put up with being inconvenienced, after all they are the useful part of society right? So what do you propose, ignore the virus, pretend is not infectious, pretend it can also affect the not vulnerable, pretend it doesn’t cause long term damage in many? Surely everyone should go about their day but be vigilant, the virus is here to stay like the common cold and flu. Those who are able work to keep the economy going before the country is on it's knees. If you're in an at risk group then do what you need to stay safe. Sounds like you're selfish expecting everyone else to take as much precaution as someone vunerable when there is no need too. Sounds like you’re saying fuck the chronically ill, disabled and elderly so you can get back to doing what you want. A society is defined by how well it looks after those who need the most help, not those who need the least. Once we’ve decided that the ill, disabled and elderly are disposable then who next?" No one has said they're disposable far from it. It's not a case of doing what we want it's a case of doing what is necessary. I'm saying stay ssfe to the vunerable. We need to get back to normal. | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then. If by returning to normal you mean to the way things were before covid, no, we don’t have to, that ‘someday’ is not now. No one talked about a full lockdown, let’s hope we are not forced to it because of attitudes like yours. And selfish cause you are condemning the vulnerable to longer isolation than it would be necessary, with all the mental stress and additional problems to their underlying conditions, but who cares? As long as the fit and able don’t have to put up with being inconvenienced, after all they are the useful part of society right? So what do you propose, ignore the virus, pretend is not infectious, pretend it can also affect the not vulnerable, pretend it doesn’t cause long term damage in many? Surely everyone should go about their day but be vigilant, the virus is here to stay like the common cold and flu. Those who are able work to keep the economy going before the country is on it's knees. If you're in an at risk group then do what you need to stay safe. Sounds like you're selfish expecting everyone else to take as much precaution as someone vunerable when there is no need too. Sounds like you’re saying fuck the chronically ill, disabled and elderly so you can get back to doing what you want. A society is defined by how well it looks after those who need the most help, not those who need the least. Once we’ve decided that the ill, disabled and elderly are disposable then who next? No one has said they're disposable far from it. It's not a case of doing what we want it's a case of doing what is necessary. I'm saying stay ssfe to the vunerable. We need to get back to normal. " So how do you propose the chronically ill, disabled and elderly live their lives and remain safe? | |||
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"We will not be spending our life hiding behind the sofa ,we both had Covid in March and have had worse flu Luckily everyone else has exactly the same experience as you and no one dies from it. No one is asking anyone to hide behind their sofa, merely asking them to endure a little inconvenience for a while to benefit those in society who are not as able to fight off infection. Those that are vulnerable will have to take extra precautions if they want to , there are believe or not other things you can die from shall we all hide from everything ? So basically you are leaving the vulnerable people to have to isolate and take precautions for longer , it’s their problem after all, so that you can carry on as you were cause Covid didn’t kill you... definition of selfish right there More like definition of common sense. It's only logic for the vunerable to take even more precaution. We've got to start to return to normal someday. What do you propose ? maybe the Uk should be on full lock down for 12 months. Where would we be then. If by returning to normal you mean to the way things were before covid, no, we don’t have to, that ‘someday’ is not now. No one talked about a full lockdown, let’s hope we are not forced to it because of attitudes like yours. And selfish cause you are condemning the vulnerable to longer isolation than it would be necessary, with all the mental stress and additional problems to their underlying conditions, but who cares? As long as the fit and able don’t have to put up with being inconvenienced, after all they are the useful part of society right? So what do you propose, ignore the virus, pretend is not infectious, pretend it can also affect the not vulnerable, pretend it doesn’t cause long term damage in many? Surely everyone should go about their day but be vigilant, the virus is here to stay like the common cold and flu. Those who are able work to keep the economy going before the country is on it's knees. If you're in an at risk group then do what you need to stay safe. Sounds like you're selfish expecting everyone else to take as much precaution as someone vunerable when there is no need too. Sounds like you’re saying fuck the chronically ill, disabled and elderly so you can get back to doing what you want. A society is defined by how well it looks after those who need the most help, not those who need the least. Once we’ve decided that the ill, disabled and elderly are disposable then who next? No one has said they're disposable far from it. It's not a case of doing what we want it's a case of doing what is necessary. I'm saying stay ssfe to the vunerable. We need to get back to normal. So how do you propose the chronically ill, disabled and elderly live their lives and remain safe?" "Our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's futures. And we are all mortal." John F Kennedy. Yes we should all care.. | |||
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"I hope to god these threads remain on the site long term so we can check in future who we're meeting. Not just for risk, but for attitude. Such blatant selfishness towards vulnerable people is unforgiveable in my book and a huge turn-off. Some people need to check whether they still have a heart in their chests. " | |||
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"I hope to god these threads remain on the site long term so we can check in future who we're meeting. Not just for risk, but for attitude. Such blatant selfishness towards vulnerable people is unforgiveable in my book and a huge turn-off. Some people need to check whether they still have a heart in their chests. " I don't think saying that we need to start getting back to normal is selfish at all, nobody said 'fuck vulnerable people, I'm doing what I want'. We can have some normality while also protecting the vulnerable. | |||
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"I hope to god these threads remain on the site long term so we can check in future who we're meeting. Not just for risk, but for attitude. Such blatant selfishness towards vulnerable people is unforgiveable in my book and a huge turn-off. Some people need to check whether they still have a heart in their chests. I don't think saying that we need to start getting back to normal is selfish at all, nobody said 'fuck vulnerable people, I'm doing what I want'. We can have some normality while also protecting the vulnerable. " So true | |||
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