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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against their current medication and allergies. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that." That's why we should generally only support medicines that have been rigorously tested to gold standard level. There may be some pressure to grant vaccine release prior to full licensing approval in the USA and UK, which carries risks. At least if stage 3 trials' evidence is available, it will support a more informed decision than, for example, the Russian approved Sputnik case. We would hope that nothing is released too soon, nor causes anything approaching the awful Thalidomide disaster ever again, which influenced changes globally in the approvals processes. | |||
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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that." Thalidiomide is not a vaccine. That was due a chirality issue. The most common ingredient in vaccines that people are allergic to is egg. A tested safe vaccine is the only way out of this in the long term. As many people should have the vaccine to protect the few that can't have it. | |||
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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that." It's certainly heartening that a vast majority of people are agreement with having the vaccine, whilst there is so much effort by a hidden majority to sow discord and to influence people to cause risks to health, such as some behind recent demonstrations. | |||
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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that. Thalidiomide is not a vaccine. That was due a chirality issue. The most common ingredient in vaccines that people are allergic to is egg. A tested safe vaccine is the only way out of this in the long term. As many people should have the vaccine to protect the few that can't have it." You're right, Thalidomide is not a vaccine. Its launch was undertaken in a manner that should not currently be accepted as, since then and because of it, approvals processes were changed globally. | |||
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"I'm suprised at the high figure of 85%, personally I don't know anyone who would take this vaccine. At least us ones who won't have the vaccine will not be forced as 85% will produce herd immunity " I think the poll is BS. No one i know is going to be having this vaccine once its here. 85% not a chance. | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! " Gallup on the 07 August report from their survey that two thirds of Americans would get a FDA approved Covid Vacinne. | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! " Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level. | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! Gallup on the 07 August report from their survey that two thirds of Americans would get a FDA approved Covid Vacinne. " The two thirds figure would be a lot lower now for a FDA fastracked vaccine two days before election. It is quite funny to see the Democrats supporters who were calling Republican supporters anti science anti vaxxers. A lot of these Democrats are turning anti vax against a Trump warp speed November 1st vaccine! | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level." FaceBook are removing ALL political ads during the period of the Election. | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! Gallup on the 07 August report from their survey that two thirds of Americans would get a FDA approved Covid Vacinne. The two thirds figure would be a lot lower now for a FDA fastracked vaccine two days before election. It is quite funny to see the Democrats supporters who were calling Republican supporters anti science anti vaxxers. A lot of these Democrats are turning anti vax against a Trump warp speed November 1st vaccine!" Even if that were the truth most people would still get a vacinne post any political posturing. | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level." You mean tbey are actively removing posts that speak truth and often sharing information and data that suppprts that truth but because its not what the WHO says then it gets removed. P.s breaking news on my phone. Russia's vaccine is safe and effective early reports say. Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here. | |||
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" Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here." TY - I will. | |||
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" Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here. TY - I will. " Good luck with it. | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level. You mean tbey are actively removing posts that speak truth and often sharing information and data that suppprts that truth but because its not what the WHO says then it gets removed. P.s breaking news on my phone. Russia's vaccine is safe and effective early reports say. Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here." Actively removing dangerous posts that anyone with an ounce of common sense could see were just plain dumb. The WHO may have been given a bad press courtesy of Mr Trump, but I'd trust them over a conspiracy nutter any day of the week. | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level." Yes of course not every American is a conspiracist, there are many who believe every single word their mainstream news media tell them. However they won't want to take a November 1st Trump warp speed vaccine as they know orange man bad. | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level. You mean tbey are actively removing posts that speak truth and often sharing information and data that suppprts that truth but because its not what the WHO says then it gets removed. P.s breaking news on my phone. Russia's vaccine is safe and effective early reports say. Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here. Actively removing dangerous posts that anyone with an ounce of common sense could see were just plain dumb. The WHO may have been given a bad press courtesy of Mr Trump, but I'd trust them over a conspiracy nutter any day of the week." And people on here whose sources are q anon websites etc.. | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level. You mean tbey are actively removing posts that speak truth and often sharing information and data that suppprts that truth but because its not what the WHO says then it gets removed. P.s breaking news on my phone. Russia's vaccine is safe and effective early reports say. Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here. Actively removing dangerous posts that anyone with an ounce of common sense could see were just plain dumb. The WHO may have been given a bad press courtesy of Mr Trump, but I'd trust them over a conspiracy nutter any day of the week. And people on here whose sources are q anon websites etc.." And people on here whos sources are bbc and sky. Never been to a qanon site but i think id trust what i heared on those than i would a institution that protected a life long peadaphile for decades. | |||
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"Ahh yes...anti vaxxers that think the earth is flat, 911 had no planes, JFK was abducted by aliens, Elvis lives on the moon.....etc etc..... how about the we want safe medicine and vacs people that believe the earth is globe shaped, planes were used to bring down buildings in 911, JFK was killed in Dallas 1963 and that Elvis actually lives on Mars? My body-my choice etc...." Cuckoo! JFK abducted by aliens? Lol I think everyone can agree that JFK was killed in Dallas in 1963. The majority of people just don't believe the Lee Harvey Oswald lone assassin official narrative. | |||
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"Ahh yes...anti vaxxers that think the earth is flat, 911 had no planes, JFK was abducted by aliens, Elvis lives on the moon.....etc etc..... how about the we want safe medicine and vacs people that believe the earth is globe shaped, planes were used to bring down buildings in 911, JFK was killed in Dallas 1963 and that Elvis actually lives on Mars? My body-my choice etc...." Exactly choice for all! How it should b! I've never been anti vax I have flue pneumonia every year but this is one I'll not be having! X | |||
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"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc. " And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what? Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19. | |||
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"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc. And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what? Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19." well said. Truth is no vaccine is 100% safe. The US alone have paid out 4billion plus to familys that have had their kids get seriously ill or even died from vaccines. And that number is only the ones that went to court and won, there is probably a lot of out of court settlements too. If the media reported on this as crazy as they are doing with coronavirus hardly anyone would be rushing to get vaccines never mind a rushed through one for a vaccine they have a 99.9% chance of surviving. | |||
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"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc. And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what? Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19." I've learned to ignore hearsay | |||
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"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc. And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what? Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19." They will want to silence these doctors, nurses, scientists who go against the official narrative, same as they have with doctors who have cured covid patients with HCQ. HCQ is suddenly an unsafe drug now after 50 years as a safe drug for treating malaria. No coincidence that countries prone to malaria have a lower death rate for covid with HCQ being available. | |||
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"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe.... anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects. Is that unreasonable?" Nothing can give you 100% guarantee against side affects. Therefore don't take it and take your chance against the virus | |||
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"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts." 100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing... | |||
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"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts. 100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing..." If you read up on it properly, you'll see vaccines are incredibly useful and safe. | |||
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"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe.... anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects. Is that unreasonable?" I assume you are in the Uk/EU so you can sue vaccine manufacturers if you want. In the US it is more difficult hence the stuff copy and pasted round facebook. You not going to have a tested vaccine because of side effects but are going to take your chances with a virus whose known side effects include death, lung kidney brain and heart damage, strokes, pneumonia? | |||
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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that. It's certainly heartening that a vast majority of people are agreement with having the vaccine, whilst there is so much effort by a hidden majority to sow discord and to influence people to cause risks to health, such as some behind recent demonstrations. " | |||
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"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe.... anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects. Is that unreasonable?" Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe? The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything). | |||
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"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe.... anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects. Is that unreasonable?" You can continue to pursue your health goals and education as you wish, within the confines of the law, personal choice and responsibility. . Your GP will almost certainly be able to inform and advise you of safety and efficacy, should you not have acquired this via credible literature and sources. I'm likely to have a fully trialled, safe and effective vaccine that's relevant for the conditions at the time but would also refuse some treatments, for some conditions, in all likelihood. Assuming that this vaccine isn't rushed to approval, in the manner that the Russian vaccine was, I can appreciate that 85% could have the vaccine, which was the Great Britain survey result. The US results will have been different, as were other nations. As this survey was only published this week, it's the most up to date reflection of the national mood. We'll each have our own unrepresentative circle of people who we know, so it's great to hear from a representative sample of the population. I'm guessing that if we'd eradicated the virus from the UK in the spring, there may perhaps have not been such an overwhelming majority of us who will have it. | |||
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"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe.... anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects. Is that unreasonable? Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe? The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything)." I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings | |||
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"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe.... anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects. Is that unreasonable? Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe? The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything). I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings " California has some funny rules around it, though, I think | |||
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"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe.... anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects. Is that unreasonable? Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe? The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything). I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings " You'll see signs throughout California stating the same about buildings. It's 1 of the more progressive states. The USA still lags Europe generally, as they permit things, unless there's evidence of danger, by and large. In Europe, typically things require safety evidence, which are much tougher for many sections of the marketplace. | |||
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"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe.... anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects. Is that unreasonable? Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe? The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything). I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings " And I'm guessing the number of golfer deaths due to materials in a putter is precisely zero | |||
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"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe.... anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects. Is that unreasonable? Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe? The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything). I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings " Other things with the same warning in California are coffee, using your phones, staying in a hotel and going to the dentist | |||
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November. If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine. The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic. And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine. They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!! Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level. FaceBook are removing ALL political ads during the period of the Election." No they are not at all. Facebook have different rules for political ads now and require passport or driving licence verification by the advertiser. What facebook are doing is moderating a bit more so maybe more ads will be banned. They won't turn down the 10s of millions they make in the US. US is huge for political ads. They also increase cost for all other advertisers so its a massive win for profit. | |||
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"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc. And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what? Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19." Absolutely remarkable that your medically trained family don't understand that the purpose of vaccination is to keep others safe as much as yourself, others who are very much more vulnerable. | |||
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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against their current medication and allergies. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that. That's why we should generally only support medicines that have been rigorously tested to gold standard level. There may be some pressure to grant vaccine release prior to full licensing approval in the USA and UK, which carries risks. At least if stage 3 trials' evidence is available, it will support a more informed decision than, for example, the Russian approved Sputnik case. We would hope that nothing is released too soon, nor causes anything approaching the awful Thalidomide disaster ever again, which influenced changes globally in the approvals processes. " There are stage 3 trials ongoing right now, but I suspect limited data will be released. Not a novel thing as the annual flu shot is the same. As for egg, data as proven even those allergic to egg can get most vaccines now. There really is no reason why most people wouldn't be able to receive the vaccine. I'm in healthcare and have sat on a couple of the latest covid vaccine teleconferences so not just pulling this info out of my arse (butt plugs and cocks get pulled out of my arse ) | |||
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"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc. And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what? Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19. Absolutely remarkable that your medically trained family don't understand that the purpose of vaccination is to keep others safe as much as yourself, others who are very much more vulnerable. " My suspicion is that often these relatives or friends who happen to support particular conclusions are invented out of whole cloth. And even when they're not - science is a good method for figuring stuff out, scientists can be just as wrong or foolish as the rest of us. | |||
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"I'm all for vaccination and I've had all mine and children have too, but anything that has been this rushed and not properly tested I will not be getting. I might feel differently if I were in a any kind of risk catagory. I dread to think whats in that Russian made vaccine " I've heard some interesting discussions about what the rushing means in this case - in some cases, mostly administrative delays being cut. (In others not) I look to the process and what the scientists say about it. | |||
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"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts. 100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing..." Yes well there would be, it's you throwing the 100% figures around... | |||
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"Never got vaccines against many infectious diseases... Ebola was in Congo Feb this Yr.. SARs outbreak.. Still no vaccine.. There's big money flying round this pandemic.. So it won't be long.. " Actually Ebola vaccines have been trialled quite successfully in the wake of the last big outbreak, though it circulates all the time in central and Western Africa. We are reaping the benefits of SARS vaccine research from the early 2000s,because that's where they started ahead of the game with SARS-COV-2. The only reason a successful SARS vaccine wasn't produced is the need went away. That virus stopped circulating relatively quickly. SARS research has fed into MERS research and both have fed into SARS-COV-2 research. Just because it's not trumpeted in the daily news doesn't mean it's not happening behind the scenes. | |||
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"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts. 100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing... Yes well there would be, it's you throwing the 100% figures around..." well then....why not offer a percentage figure of your own... what in your opinion would be acceptable percentage-wise? | |||
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"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts. 100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing... Yes well there would be, it's you throwing the 100% figures around... well then....why not offer a percentage figure of your own... what in your opinion would be acceptable percentage-wise?" Why would I do that? You're the one throwing a 100% figure about to support your argument about 'overwhelming evidence' proves it's wrong. | |||
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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that." How many times do people have to be told thalidomide was NOT caused by a vaccine ffs. | |||
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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.How many times do people have to be told thalidomide was NOT caused by a vaccine ffs. " I think most people know that but as a medication surely it should still have been trialled and have not been harmful to those it was given to?? | |||
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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.How many times do people have to be told thalidomide was NOT caused by a vaccine ffs. I think most people know that but as a medication surely it should still have been trialled and have not been harmful to those it was given to?? " I think things have progressed since the 1950,s when this was produced in Germany as an anti flu drug. | |||
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"An IPSOS MORI poll released this week showed that for Great Britain, if a vaccine for Covid19 was available 85% would get it. " I can't believe the uptake would be 85%. As well as vaccine sceptics there are people who just can't be bothered, people who think they are young, fit and healthy so won't be badly affected, and also vegans and Muslims who don't want injecting with pig fat. | |||
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"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents. It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.How many times do people have to be told thalidomide was NOT caused by a vaccine ffs. I think most people know that but as a medication surely it should still have been trialled and have not been harmful to those it was given to?? " It should have been. Fortunately medicine is full of smart people who've learned lessons on this, since then, and it's come up as part of the vaccine process | |||
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"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine." Everything carries risk. Everything. Vaccines also carry enormous benefit. And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can. | |||
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" 100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing..." Yet you take your chance on meeting with strangers for sex whose histories you can't possibly know. Ironic risk management eh? | |||
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" 100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing... Yet you take your chance on meeting with strangers for sex whose histories you can't possibly know. Ironic risk management eh? " I'll fuck strangers, I'll eat a dodgy kebab, I'll skip sleep... Vaccine! Nuh uh. Vaccines must be absolutely perfect under all circumstances ever. I care about my health! | |||
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"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine." Where do you get your 99% from? | |||
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"UN Forced To Admit Gates Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa But people that question the safety of vaccines are science-denying lunatics, right? Remember kids, vaccines are perfectly safe - for the vaccine makers ..." Goodness, you've discovered vaccine caused polio. Congratulations. Do you know anything else (like severity levels compared to wild type, or the fact it goes away when you hit a higher level of immunity) is this just a talking point because needles are icky? | |||
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"UN Forced To Admit Gates Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa But people that question the safety of vaccines are science-denying lunatics, right? Remember kids, vaccines are perfectly safe - for the vaccine makers ..." And a quick google search of your dramatic headline provides a handful of results all pointing at the usual ridiculous websites. | |||
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"Right. So. 'ALL' vacinnes are dangerous because some have proved to be so - and particulary so if part of their funding comes from Bill Gates ?? Sounds like a purely logical response to me. 'In addition to contributions by national (almost ALL) governments to their own polio eradication efforts, 100 public and private donors have given to the global programme. The GPEI has a diverse funding base, underscoring the truly global nature of the effort to eradicate polio world-wide'. from: Global Global Eradication Intiative. By that measure do not drive ANY cars - fly in planes etc etc - if more than a few have crashed! " I'd much rather face a terrible disease which could maim or kill me than take a medication which has a tiny chance of hurting me and a miniscule chance of seriously hurting me Or "I don't think I'll get the disease and I don't care if I contribute to you getting it" | |||
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"And I thought folks kissed UN ass, well untill they report on something folks don't agree with it seems. " Huh. It might possibly be that we understand the situation rather than just scaremongering with a headline? | |||
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"UN Forced To Admit Gates Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa But people that question the safety of vaccines are science-denying lunatics, right? Remember kids, vaccines are perfectly safe - for the vaccine makers ... And a quick google search of your dramatic headline provides a handful of results all pointing at the usual ridiculous websites. " Yup. Took me about 5 mins to search past those stupid web sites to get to GPEI (who are actually doing the real work of trying to eradicate Polio and not create reams of 'Conspiracy Entertainment' for the 'There is a Bogey-Man behind every door' believers. | |||
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"I'm suprised at the high figure of 85%, personally I don't know anyone who would take this vaccine. At least us ones who won't have the vaccine will not be forced as 85% will produce herd immunity I think the poll is BS. No one i know is going to be having this vaccine once its here. 85% not a chance. " How many people do you ‘know’ | |||
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"UN Forced To Admit Gates Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa But people that question the safety of vaccines are science-denying lunatics, right? Remember kids, vaccines are perfectly safe - for the vaccine makers ... And a quick google search of your dramatic headline provides a handful of results all pointing at the usual ridiculous websites. Yup. Took me about 5 mins to search past those stupid web sites to get to GPEI (who are actually doing the real work of trying to eradicate Polio and not create reams of 'Conspiracy Entertainment' for the 'There is a Bogey-Man behind every door' believers. " The virologists I listen to happen to have a polio expert and they touched on it recently. It's a potential side effect in some variants of the polio vaccine. It's less dangerous than wild polio and goes away with high vaccine uptake. All medical intervention involves risk. This isn't news. | |||
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" The virologists I listen to happen to have a polio expert and they touched on it recently. It's a potential side effect in some variants of the polio vaccine. It's less dangerous than wild polio and goes away with high vaccine uptake. All medical intervention involves risk. This isn't news." And it's also NOT especial news because The Gates Foundation contributed to it either! | |||
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"Correction, it is news, just not the conformation bias the MSM push out. " It's been known about for a long time. Just because you've just discovered it... And "mainstream media" doesn't mean "everyone who doesn't subscribe to my fringe views", btw. | |||
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"You can’t sue vaccine manufacturers in the UK or USA. You can claim for vaccine injury, but in both the above you are making your claim against the government, the USA has paid out over $4 billion for vaccine injuries over the years, can’t find figures for the UK, the uk government even acknowledges vaccine injury, with its vaccine injury section on the gov.uk website, even the WHO admit they don’t do any vaccine safety checks, Ps, if you have the flu jab this year, you can’t sue anybody, if your unlucky enough to get injured, as vaccine injuries only count in times on non pandemic Just a little foot note, every major US vaccine maker has a criminal record, all for fraud, don’t understand why they have to be so underhand if the vaccines are so safe " Huh. Governments view it in their interest to take on liability for massive public health benefit. It's a conspiracy, clearly | |||
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" Just a little foot note, every major US vaccine maker has a criminal record, all for fraud, don’t understand why they have to be so underhand if the vaccines are so safe " Which vaccine makers are those then? | |||
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"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine. Everything carries risk. Everything. Vaccines also carry enormous benefit. And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can. " So you mean to tell me if said complication was that 7 million people immediately dropped dead you would be okay with that in the name of health? I don’t think you can even visualise how many people that actually is, that’s more Jews than Hitler killed. Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that has the same chance as harming me as the virus itself does. Flu jabs are for the Elderly and the vulnerable, healthy people do not take them so why should they take a COVID vaccine? I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. $115,000,000,000 is 11,500,000% greater than $1,000,000. Just to put that insane amount of cash into perspective for you. | |||
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"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine. Everything carries risk. Everything. Vaccines also carry enormous benefit. And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can. So you mean to tell me if said complication was that 7 million people immediately dropped dead you would be okay with that in the name of health? I don’t think you can even visualise how many people that actually is, that’s more Jews than Hitler killed. Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that has the same chance as harming me as the virus itself does. Flu jabs are for the Elderly and the vulnerable, healthy people do not take them so why should they take a COVID vaccine? I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. $115,000,000,000 is 11,500,000% greater than $1,000,000. Just to put that insane amount of cash into perspective for you." Did anyone say that the vaccine complications would be death? Or did you invent a number and invent a complication? Big numbers are big and vaccines are still a public health benefit | |||
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" I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy." I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims. | |||
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" I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims." Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns | |||
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" I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims. Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns" It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ.. It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles.. | |||
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" I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims. Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ.. It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles.." It's incredibly bizarre. Hell, given the way Trump is going and his track record, if I wanted to point to a rich guy who was a threat to public health and had association with dodgy vaccines, I'd look at Trump. (Announcement that agencies had to be ready to deliver a vaccine right before the election - there's just no way that'll be possible) | |||
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" I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims. Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ.. It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles.. It's incredibly bizarre. Hell, given the way Trump is going and his track record, if I wanted to point to a rich guy who was a threat to public health and had association with dodgy vaccines, I'd look at Trump. (Announcement that agencies had to be ready to deliver a vaccine right before the election - there's just no way that'll be possible)" Exactly, his performance this far has only led to further division and confusing / dangerous messages and rhetoric.. | |||
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" I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims. Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ.. It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles.. It's incredibly bizarre. Hell, given the way Trump is going and his track record, if I wanted to point to a rich guy who was a threat to public health and had association with dodgy vaccines, I'd look at Trump. (Announcement that agencies had to be ready to deliver a vaccine right before the election - there's just no way that'll be possible) Exactly, his performance this far has only led to further division and confusing / dangerous messages and rhetoric.. " And disease and death, plus if he does release a vaccine early for political gain... Jesus. | |||
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" I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims. Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ.. It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles.. It's incredibly bizarre. Hell, given the way Trump is going and his track record, if I wanted to point to a rich guy who was a threat to public health and had association with dodgy vaccines, I'd look at Trump. (Announcement that agencies had to be ready to deliver a vaccine right before the election - there's just no way that'll be possible) Exactly, his performance this far has only led to further division and confusing / dangerous messages and rhetoric.. And disease and death, plus if he does release a vaccine early for political gain... Jesus." He probably knows it's not going to happen for the right reasons etc but will say it's s political attempt to stop him healing the nation's ills and fighting the virus.. A million could die on his watch and he would not be bothered, nothing else counts except his ego and wanting to be able day in future that he was a two term president.. | |||
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"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine. Everything carries risk. Everything. Vaccines also carry enormous benefit. And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can. So you mean to tell me if said complication was that 7 million people immediately dropped dead you would be okay with that in the name of health? I don’t think you can even visualise how many people that actually is, that’s more Jews than Hitler killed. Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that has the same chance as harming me as the virus itself does. Flu jabs are for the Elderly and the vulnerable, healthy people do not take them so why should they take a COVID vaccine? I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. $115,000,000,000 is 11,500,000% greater than $1,000,000. Just to put that insane amount of cash into perspective for you. Did anyone say that the vaccine complications would be death? Or did you invent a number and invent a complication? Big numbers are big and vaccines are still a public health benefit " No I was clearly asking you if the complication was instant death would you be okay with it in the name of health? Don’t try twisting my words. And if you’ve seen any of Bill’s recent interviews on COVID it is very apparent he thinks of himself as a leader in this crisis, not to mention he is the World Health Organisations second biggest donor behind the US government who have pulled their funding over fears of corruption. Are they not the people recommending to the government how to tackle said crisis? If Bill is stuffing $350,000,000 into their pockets every year you don’t think they wouldn’t be inclined to favour what he says? As for saying Trumps policies being divisive and confusing are you suggesting Boris’s policies haven’t been? I do recall a string of press conferences where Boris’s policies on the matter were very unclear. Not to mention he hid in a fridge to avoid questions. | |||
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"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine. Everything carries risk. Everything. Vaccines also carry enormous benefit. And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can. So you mean to tell me if said complication was that 7 million people immediately dropped dead you would be okay with that in the name of health? I don’t think you can even visualise how many people that actually is, that’s more Jews than Hitler killed. Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that has the same chance as harming me as the virus itself does. Flu jabs are for the Elderly and the vulnerable, healthy people do not take them so why should they take a COVID vaccine? I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. $115,000,000,000 is 11,500,000% greater than $1,000,000. Just to put that insane amount of cash into perspective for you. Did anyone say that the vaccine complications would be death? Or did you invent a number and invent a complication? Big numbers are big and vaccines are still a public health benefit No I was clearly asking you if the complication was instant death would you be okay with it in the name of health? Don’t try twisting my words. And if you’ve seen any of Bill’s recent interviews on COVID it is very apparent he thinks of himself as a leader in this crisis, not to mention he is the World Health Organisations second biggest donor behind the US government who have pulled their funding over fears of corruption. Are they not the people recommending to the government how to tackle said crisis? If Bill is stuffing $350,000,000 into their pockets every year you don’t think they wouldn’t be inclined to favour what he says? As for saying Trumps policies being divisive and confusing are you suggesting Boris’s policies haven’t been? I do recall a string of press conferences where Boris’s policies on the matter were very unclear. Not to mention he hid in a fridge to avoid questions. " As far as your perception is he thinks he's a leader, what has he actually said on the record to make you think that? And tbh given the global situation has been thus far more about mainly egotistical possibly sociopathic men wanting to big their own egos up in this pandemic then any global figure who could lead for the benefit of all is to be welcomed.. Comparing our own leaders inadequate responses with trump's in order to try and have a go at a man who has given billions of dollars on public health initiatives in the poorest parts of the globe is banal and irrelevant.. If you want to talk specifically about corruption then trump is certainly to be included but that's not the thread nor the forum.. | |||
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"So let's be very very clear because apparently ambiguity isn't allowed. Would I take a vaccine that had a 1% death rate? No. Would you refuse to take a vaccine that ensures puppies lived, you puppy hater? (I can make shit up too)" Death from vaccination is extremely rare but it does happen. It’s not a fantasy. | |||
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"So let's be very very clear because apparently ambiguity isn't allowed. Would I take a vaccine that had a 1% death rate? No. Would you refuse to take a vaccine that ensures puppies lived, you puppy hater? (I can make shit up too) Death from vaccination is extremely rare but it does happen. It’s not a fantasy." You said 1%. So I was answering your fantasy question. I will take a vaccine in line with safety standards as they're set, which are safer than most medications. If that involves an extremely low risk of death, then I'll accept that. If I die, I've died doing the right thing for humanity. Someone I'm extremely close to did nearly die from a vaccine, so your rhetoric doesn't trouble me. I get the jab to protect him and others like him. And my fellow man. It's called communal responsibility. | |||
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"So let's be very very clear because apparently ambiguity isn't allowed. Would I take a vaccine that had a 1% death rate? No. Would you refuse to take a vaccine that ensures puppies lived, you puppy hater? (I can make shit up too) Death from vaccination is extremely rare but it does happen. It’s not a fantasy. You said 1%. So I was answering your fantasy question. I will take a vaccine in line with safety standards as they're set, which are safer than most medications. If that involves an extremely low risk of death, then I'll accept that. If I die, I've died doing the right thing for humanity. Someone I'm extremely close to did nearly die from a vaccine, so your rhetoric doesn't trouble me. I get the jab to protect him and others like him. And my fellow man. It's called communal responsibility." I said 1% could suffer complications not death, I then asked you if the complication was instant death would you still take it. Stop trying to twist my words it won’t work. | |||
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"Oh, so complications like a sore arm? Oh baby, a sore arm, the humanity, let others die so I don't have an owie" When I got my jabs in secondary school a young girl was left in a vegetative state. You just said someone close to you almost died from a vaccine. A common complication would be a sore arm, most people have a sore arm after a jab. I’m talking about life changing complications. The rare in the 1% complications. You’re rather dim aren’t you. | |||
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"Oh, so complications like a sore arm? Oh baby, a sore arm, the humanity, let others die so I don't have an owie When I got my jabs in secondary school a young girl was left in a vegetative state. You just said someone close to you almost died from a vaccine. A common complication would be a sore arm, most people have a sore arm after a jab. I’m talking about life changing complications. The rare in the 1% complications. You’re rather dim aren’t you. " I'm not the one saying that a vaccine would be approved that caused instant death. There are processes. There's population level risk which is lower than the risk of infection. I take that risk when it's been appropriately decided by reputable agencies. And yes he did, and yes I keep getting my jabs beyond the schedule because it's my duty to my community. The individual risk is miniscule. | |||
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"Oh, so complications like a sore arm? Oh baby, a sore arm, the humanity, let others die so I don't have an owie When I got my jabs in secondary school a young girl was left in a vegetative state. You just said someone close to you almost died from a vaccine. A common complication would be a sore arm, most people have a sore arm after a jab. I’m talking about life changing complications. The rare in the 1% complications. You’re rather dim aren’t you. I'm not the one saying that a vaccine would be approved that caused instant death. There are processes. There's population level risk which is lower than the risk of infection. I take that risk when it's been appropriately decided by reputable agencies. And yes he did, and yes I keep getting my jabs beyond the schedule because it's my duty to my community. The individual risk is miniscule." Did your friend take a vaccine that wasn’t approved then? Cause vaccines that can kill don’t make it past trials according to you. | |||
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" Did your friend take a vaccine that wasn’t approved then? Cause vaccines that can kill don’t make it past trials according to you. " No, I said causing "instant death". Do pay attention. | |||
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"I tell you what Mike, if a vaccine comes along don't take it. Tell your friends not to take it, tell your family not to take it." Don’t worry I already have and they’ve all agreed not to accept it, now what? | |||
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"Oh, so complications like a sore arm? Oh baby, a sore arm, the humanity, let others die so I don't have an owie When I got my jabs in secondary school a young girl was left in a vegetative state. You just said someone close to you almost died from a vaccine. A common complication would be a sore arm, most people have a sore arm after a jab. I’m talking about life changing complications. The rare in the 1% complications. You’re rather dim aren’t you. " Of course that's a bad out come for that person and get family but how many where there in that year group who had no side effects and benefitted from the vaccine? And no need to get personal btw.. | |||
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"I tell you what Mike, if a vaccine comes along don't take it. Tell your friends not to take it, tell your family not to take it. Don’t worry I already have and they’ve all agreed not to accept it, now what? " Surely that's something you and they have considered? | |||
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"I tell you what Mike, if a vaccine comes along don't take it. Tell your friends not to take it, tell your family not to take it. Don’t worry I already have and they’ve all agreed not to accept it, now what? " That'll be your problem not mine. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? " My anti vax bingo card is filling up nicely. Sigh. That's not how it works. Not all vaccinations are 100% effective (nothing is ever 100% effective). So I might take on the risk and still be put in danger because of people like you. The more infectious a disease, the higher you need uptake to be to develop herd immunity. Even if a vaccine were 100% effective, some people can't have it due to allergies or previous adverse reactions to related vaccines. So I might be fine but medically vulnerable people might not be. Immunity wanes with age. Starting at about 30 but gets really bad after about 60. So my parents, having done the right thing, won't get the same protection I do, and will be threatened by people who refuse to do their bit. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? " Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.." But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.." Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of." Mainstream media...........JFC Whelp, this is my stop. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol." Most vaccines are preventable childhood illnesses Covid has killed over 100 kids in the US. Nothing in the grand scheme, sure, but 100 families have lost their kids. Lol indeed | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of." Bingo! Stopped listening to the government in April. Stopped doing more than glancing at headlines in May. You were saying? | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol." Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said? Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish.. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of." Instead of what, q anon? | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of. Instead of what, q anon? " | |||
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"This just in: there are sources of information that aren't government, media, or crackpots." | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol. Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said? Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish.." I’m not even a anti vaxxer. I’ve received all my jabs. However I don’t trust a vaccine that is being fast tracked so it is available in under a year. I don’t trust a man who is insisting that the entire global population must be vaccinated before we can return to normal. When he has massive investments in said vaccines. The man who has already been subject to and lost anti trust hearings over his business practises. I don’t trust medical professionals who fuelled a opioid epidemic to line their own pockets to tell the truth. I don’t trust big techs mass censorship of people speaking out against the narrative. I don’t trust a government that has carried out secret bio weapons tests on its populace in the past. There’s a lot of untrustworthy behaviour going on right now and you’re pretty blind if you can’t see it. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol. Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said? Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish.. I’m not even a anti vaxxer. I’ve received all my jabs. However I don’t trust a vaccine that is being fast tracked so it is available in under a year. I don’t trust a man who is insisting that the entire global population must be vaccinated before we can return to normal. When he has massive investments in said vaccines. The man who has already been subject to and lost anti trust hearings over his business practises. I don’t trust medical professionals who fuelled a opioid epidemic to line their own pockets to tell the truth. I don’t trust big techs mass censorship of people speaking out against the narrative. I don’t trust a government that has carried out secret bio weapons tests on its populace in the past. There’s a lot of untrustworthy behaviour going on right now and you’re pretty blind if you can’t see it. " I'm aware of how and why fast tracking is happening. Some good, some bad. There's nuance here. Bill Gates is more or less irrelevant except he helps people get vaccinated. You're using all the anti vax talking points. Including inflating risk of vaccine and downplaying risk of disease. I trust the process. People are flawed. If the process is followed I'm on board. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol. Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said? Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish.. I’m not even a anti vaxxer. I’ve received all my jabs. However I don’t trust a vaccine that is being fast tracked so it is available in under a year. I don’t trust a man who is insisting that the entire global population must be vaccinated before we can return to normal. When he has massive investments in said vaccines. The man who has already been subject to and lost anti trust hearings over his business practises. I don’t trust medical professionals who fuelled a opioid epidemic to line their own pockets to tell the truth. I don’t trust big techs mass censorship of people speaking out against the narrative. I don’t trust a government that has carried out secret bio weapons tests on its populace in the past. There’s a lot of untrustworthy behaviour going on right now and you’re pretty blind if you can’t see it. I'm aware of how and why fast tracking is happening. Some good, some bad. There's nuance here. Bill Gates is more or less irrelevant except he helps people get vaccinated. You're using all the anti vax talking points. Including inflating risk of vaccine and downplaying risk of disease. I trust the process. People are flawed. If the process is followed I'm on board." He definitely isn’t irrelevant if his capital is funding the process. That’s like saying shareholders in a company have no influence over what goes on in the business. | |||
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" He definitely isn’t irrelevant if his capital is funding the process. That’s like saying shareholders in a company have no influence over what goes on in the business." So because one guy is apparently evil (citation needed for anti vax talking point), we should get rid of vaccines? That's baloney. | |||
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"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.. But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol. Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said? Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish.. I’m not even a anti vaxxer. I’ve received all my jabs. However I don’t trust a vaccine that is being fast tracked so it is available in under a year. I don’t trust a man who is insisting that the entire global population must be vaccinated before we can return to normal. When he has massive investments in said vaccines. The man who has already been subject to and lost anti trust hearings over his business practises. I don’t trust medical professionals who fuelled a opioid epidemic to line their own pockets to tell the truth. I don’t trust big techs mass censorship of people speaking out against the narrative. I don’t trust a government that has carried out secret bio weapons tests on its populace in the past. There’s a lot of untrustworthy behaviour going on right now and you’re pretty blind if you can’t see it. " And I don't trust what you're saying. | |||
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"The trial has been halted as one of the volunterrs has had a reaction" One of the trials for one of the vaccine candidates. This shows the process working properly: determining whether the illness is related to the vaccine candidate is part of ensuring it's safe. | |||
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"The trial has been halted as one of the volunterrs has had a reaction" Actually it may sound bad... but this is actually perfectly normal standard practice.. and is fairly common If anyone comes out with an adverse reaction not seen in the phase 2 stage... the phase 3 is stopped to make sure it isn’t for example a faulty batch or something that needs further investigation At the moment this is 1 person in 30000 volunteers... it may be something they have to report on as a very very rare side effect but not common enough to stop going forward | |||
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"I wouldnt do it, also there was just a case in the uk who got nerve damage from the testing of the vaccine, so there is a chance of something to go wrong from it." It was in pahse 3 so now they have to "stop" the testing, it is called a "rush vaccine" where they havent taken the time to really develop it which could take years. | |||
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