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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

An IPSOS MORI poll released this week showex that for Great Britain, if a vaccine for Covid19 was available 85% would get it.

That's really a substantial proportion of the population and likely towards sufficient to create herd immunity. We don't have a vaccine yet, nor know its level of effectiveness, to be able to quantify that. It's certainly very promising, amongst the groups of people manipulated to be disruptive to society at the moment, by demonstrations and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc.

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By *eefyBangerMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

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By *eefyBangerMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against their current medication and allergies.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that."

That's why we should generally only support medicines that have been rigorously tested to gold standard level. There may be some pressure to grant vaccine release prior to full licensing approval in the USA and UK, which carries risks. At least if stage 3 trials' evidence is available, it will support a more informed decision than, for example, the Russian approved Sputnik case.

We would hope that nothing is released too soon, nor causes anything approaching the awful Thalidomide disaster ever again, which influenced changes globally in the approvals processes.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that."

Thalidiomide is not a vaccine. That was due a chirality issue. The most common ingredient in vaccines that people are allergic to is egg. A tested safe vaccine is the only way out of this in the long term. As many people should have the vaccine to protect the few that can't have it.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that."

It's certainly heartening that a vast majority of people are agreement with having the vaccine, whilst there is so much effort by a hidden majority to sow discord and to influence people to cause risks to health, such as some behind recent demonstrations.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.

Thalidiomide is not a vaccine. That was due a chirality issue. The most common ingredient in vaccines that people are allergic to is egg. A tested safe vaccine is the only way out of this in the long term. As many people should have the vaccine to protect the few that can't have it."

You're right, Thalidomide is not a vaccine. Its launch was undertaken in a manner that should not currently be accepted as, since then and because of it, approvals processes were changed globally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like surveys It would be interesting to see in reality how many do when it comes along. I hope though the conspiratory theorists dont put people off when it is available.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm suprised at the high figure of 85%, personally I don't know anyone who would take this vaccine.

At least us ones who won't have the vaccine will not be forced as 85% will produce herd immunity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm suprised at the high figure of 85%, personally I don't know anyone who would take this vaccine.

At least us ones who won't have the vaccine will not be forced as 85% will produce herd immunity "

I think the poll is BS.

No one i know is going to be having this vaccine once its here.

85% not a chance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

"

Gallup on the 07 August report from their survey that two thirds of Americans would get a FDA approved Covid Vacinne.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

"

Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

Gallup on the 07 August report from their survey that two thirds of Americans would get a FDA approved Covid Vacinne. "

The two thirds figure would be a lot lower now for a FDA fastracked vaccine two days before election.

It is quite funny to see the Democrats supporters who were calling Republican supporters anti science anti vaxxers.

A lot of these Democrats are turning anti vax against a Trump warp speed November 1st vaccine!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level."

FaceBook are removing ALL political ads during the period of the Election.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

Gallup on the 07 August report from their survey that two thirds of Americans would get a FDA approved Covid Vacinne.

The two thirds figure would be a lot lower now for a FDA fastracked vaccine two days before election.

It is quite funny to see the Democrats supporters who were calling Republican supporters anti science anti vaxxers.

A lot of these Democrats are turning anti vax against a Trump warp speed November 1st vaccine!"

Even if that were the truth most people would still get a vacinne post any political posturing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level."

You mean tbey are actively removing posts that speak truth and often sharing information and data that suppprts that truth but because its not what the WHO says then it gets removed.

P.s breaking news on my phone.

Russia's vaccine is safe and effective early reports say.

Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"

Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here."

TY - I will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here.

TY - I will. "

Good luck with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahh yes...anti vaxxers that think the earth is flat, 911 had no planes, JFK was abducted by aliens, Elvis lives on the moon.....etc etc.....

how about the we want safe medicine and vacs people that believe the earth is globe shaped, planes were used to bring down buildings in 911, JFK was killed in Dallas 1963 and that Elvis actually lives on Mars?

My body-my choice etc....

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level.

You mean tbey are actively removing posts that speak truth and often sharing information and data that suppprts that truth but because its not what the WHO says then it gets removed.

P.s breaking news on my phone.

Russia's vaccine is safe and effective early reports say.

Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here."

Actively removing dangerous posts that anyone with an ounce of common sense could see were just plain dumb.

The WHO may have been given a bad press courtesy of Mr Trump, but I'd trust them over a conspiracy nutter any day of the week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level."

Yes of course not every American is a conspiracist, there are many who believe every single word their mainstream news media tell them.

However they won't want to take a November 1st Trump warp speed vaccine as they know orange man bad.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level.

You mean tbey are actively removing posts that speak truth and often sharing information and data that suppprts that truth but because its not what the WHO says then it gets removed.

P.s breaking news on my phone.

Russia's vaccine is safe and effective early reports say.

Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here.

Actively removing dangerous posts that anyone with an ounce of common sense could see were just plain dumb.

The WHO may have been given a bad press courtesy of Mr Trump, but I'd trust them over a conspiracy nutter any day of the week."

And people on here whose sources are q anon websites etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level.

You mean tbey are actively removing posts that speak truth and often sharing information and data that suppprts that truth but because its not what the WHO says then it gets removed.

P.s breaking news on my phone.

Russia's vaccine is safe and effective early reports say.

Go sign up your precious vaccine is almost here.

Actively removing dangerous posts that anyone with an ounce of common sense could see were just plain dumb.

The WHO may have been given a bad press courtesy of Mr Trump, but I'd trust them over a conspiracy nutter any day of the week.

And people on here whose sources are q anon websites etc.."

And people on here whos sources are bbc and sky.

Never been to a qanon site but i think id trust what i heared on those than i would a institution that protected a life long peadaphile for decades.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ahh yes...anti vaxxers that think the earth is flat, 911 had no planes, JFK was abducted by aliens, Elvis lives on the moon.....etc etc.....

how about the we want safe medicine and vacs people that believe the earth is globe shaped, planes were used to bring down buildings in 911, JFK was killed in Dallas 1963 and that Elvis actually lives on Mars?

My body-my choice etc...."

Cuckoo! JFK abducted by aliens? Lol

I think everyone can agree that JFK was killed in Dallas in 1963.

The majority of people just don't believe the Lee Harvey Oswald lone assassin official narrative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just looked it up, the majority of 60% of Americans do NOT believe JFK was killed by a loan gunman Lee Harvey Oswald.

So 60% of Americans are conspriracy nutters lol.

Or maybe, they are right

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

We do some people insist on being negative about a possible vaccine as a previous contributer said "my body my choice " if you don t want it don t have it

Simples

But stop listening to all the false information on the internet and facebook etc. Get your information of qualified virologists or epidemiologists who can back up their evidence with science and fact not science fiction and Not fred from facebook

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Ahh yes...anti vaxxers that think the earth is flat, 911 had no planes, JFK was abducted by aliens, Elvis lives on the moon.....etc etc.....

how about the we want safe medicine and vacs people that believe the earth is globe shaped, planes were used to bring down buildings in 911, JFK was killed in Dallas 1963 and that Elvis actually lives on Mars?

My body-my choice etc...."

Exactly choice for all! How it should b! I've never been anti vax I have flue pneumonia every year but this is one I'll not be having! X

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen


"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc. "

And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what?

Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc.

And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what?

Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19."

well said.

Truth is no vaccine is 100% safe.

The US alone have paid out 4billion plus to familys that have had their kids get seriously ill or even died from vaccines.

And that number is only the ones that went to court and won, there is probably a lot of out of court settlements too.

If the media reported on this as crazy as they are doing with coronavirus hardly anyone would be rushing to get vaccines never mind a rushed through one for a vaccine they have a 99.9% chance of surviving.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc.

And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what?

Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19."

I've learned to ignore hearsay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc.

And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what?

Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19."

They will want to silence these doctors, nurses, scientists who go against the official narrative, same as they have with doctors who have cured covid patients with HCQ.

HCQ is suddenly an unsafe drug now after 50 years as a safe drug for treating malaria.

No coincidence that countries prone to malaria have a lower death rate for covid with HCQ being available.

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By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

You are correct thalidomide is not a vaccine, it was a morning sickness treatment, Ronald Reagan is credited with changing vaccine policy for ever, he is the main person responsible for granting vaccine manufacturers immunity from any liability from vaccine injury, as before this, all the major vaccine manufacturers were on the verge of bankruptcy due to injury claims. You can still claim for vaccine injury in the USA and the UK, but in each country you are making your claim against the government, and not the maker, A vaccine is not a silver bullet for anything, Also every major vaccine provider in the USA, (we use there's too) has a criminal record, mostly for fraud.

Ps if you get a flu shot this year and get a vaccine injury (I hope no one does get injured should you choose to take it) You cannot make a claim for flu vaccine injury in times of pandemics,

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment#:~:text=How%20to%20claim-,Overview,called%20a%20Vaccine%20Damage%20Payment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?"

Nothing can give you 100% guarantee against side affects. Therefore don't take it and take your chance against the virus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts."

100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts.

100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing..."

If you read up on it properly, you'll see vaccines are incredibly useful and safe.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?"

I assume you are in the Uk/EU so you can sue vaccine manufacturers if you want. In the US it is more difficult hence the stuff copy and pasted round facebook. You not going to have a tested vaccine because of side effects but are going to take your chances with a virus whose known side effects include death, lung kidney brain and heart damage, strokes, pneumonia?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.

It's certainly heartening that a vast majority of people are agreement with having the vaccine, whilst there is so much effort by a hidden majority to sow discord and to influence people to cause risks to health, such as some behind recent demonstrations. "

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?"

Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe?

The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything).

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?"

You can continue to pursue your health goals and education as you wish, within the confines of the law, personal choice and responsibility. .

Your GP will almost certainly be able to inform and advise you of safety and efficacy, should you not have acquired this via credible literature and sources.

I'm likely to have a fully trialled, safe and effective vaccine that's relevant for the conditions at the time but would also refuse some treatments, for some conditions, in all likelihood.

Assuming that this vaccine isn't rushed to approval, in the manner that the Russian vaccine was, I can appreciate that 85% could have the vaccine, which was the Great Britain survey result. The US results will have been different, as were other nations.

As this survey was only published this week, it's the most up to date reflection of the national mood. We'll each have our own unrepresentative circle of people who we know, so it's great to hear from a representative sample of the population.

I'm guessing that if we'd eradicated the virus from the UK in the spring, there may perhaps have not been such an overwhelming majority of us who will have it.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?

Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe?

The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything)."

I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?

Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe?

The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything).

I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings "

California has some funny rules around it, though, I think

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?

Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe?

The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything).

I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings "

You'll see signs throughout California stating the same about buildings. It's 1 of the more progressive states. The USA still lags Europe generally, as they permit things, unless there's evidence of danger, by and large. In Europe, typically things require safety evidence, which are much tougher for many sections of the marketplace.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?

Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe?

The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything).

I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings "

And I'm guessing the number of golfer deaths due to materials in a putter is precisely zero

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"Check out the old clip on U tube of Piers (m)organ taking a flu vax live on air during one of his flop US talk shows....then click the clip taken the very next week absolutely buggered with flu symptoms....think it dates around 2013/14ish. Fast forward to his 'interview' with Piers Corbyn this week telling him that vaccs are completely safe....

anyone sticking needles in my will need to provide evidence that they are 100% safe, effective and necessary. If i have to be tested to find out that i have a deadly disease Then i want full protection (legally and medically) that means i can sue the issuing body if i suffer bad and lasting side effects.

Is that unreasonable?

Do you know what's not ever guaranteed to be 100% safe?

The air you breathe, the water you drink, the buildings you go into, the car you drive, the food you wear, the (anything) you (anything).

I recall buying a putter (for golf)in Florida, and it had a label saying "comtains material known to cause cancer in the state of California" i kid you not, why don't we get these warnings "

Other things with the same warning in California are coffee, using your phones, staying in a hotel and going to the dentist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has told public health departments in all 50 US states and five large cities to get ready to distribute a covid-19 vaccine by 1 November, two days before the US presidential election on 3 November.

If this happens, it won't be nearly as high as 85% in the USA for a political vaccine.

The Trump patriots won't take it as they are aware of the plandemic.

And the other side, the Democrats supporters won't take a warp speed Trump vaccine.

They'll have a struggle to get any Americans to take it!!

Not every American is a conspiracy nutter and now social media companies are actively removing dangerous crackpot posts it's going to help keep the numbers at a pretty static level.

FaceBook are removing ALL political ads during the period of the Election."

No they are not at all. Facebook have different rules for political ads now and require passport or driving licence verification by the advertiser. What facebook are doing is moderating a bit more so maybe more ads will be banned. They won't turn down the 10s of millions they make in the US. US is huge for political ads. They also increase cost for all other advertisers so its a massive win for profit.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc.

And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what?

Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19."

Absolutely remarkable that your medically trained family don't understand that the purpose of vaccination is to keep others safe as much as yourself, others who are very much more vulnerable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against their current medication and allergies.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.

That's why we should generally only support medicines that have been rigorously tested to gold standard level. There may be some pressure to grant vaccine release prior to full licensing approval in the USA and UK, which carries risks. At least if stage 3 trials' evidence is available, it will support a more informed decision than, for example, the Russian approved Sputnik case.

We would hope that nothing is released too soon, nor causes anything approaching the awful Thalidomide disaster ever again, which influenced changes globally in the approvals processes. "

There are stage 3 trials ongoing right now, but I suspect limited data will be released. Not a novel thing as the annual flu shot is the same.

As for egg, data as proven even those allergic to egg can get most vaccines now. There really is no reason why most people wouldn't be able to receive the vaccine.

I'm in healthcare and have sat on a couple of the latest covid vaccine teleconferences so not just pulling this info out of my arse (butt plugs and cocks get pulled out of my arse )

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"and prolific outpourings of conspiracy and denial theories etc.

And your qualifications to assess that are exactly what?

Think I'll stick to the advice from the 2 doctors, a nurse and a PhD research scientist (including virology) in my close family who say that no way are they having a fast tracked vaccine that is unnecessary in the first place as approx 99.9% of people do not die from CV19.

Absolutely remarkable that your medically trained family don't understand that the purpose of vaccination is to keep others safe as much as yourself, others who are very much more vulnerable. "

My suspicion is that often these relatives or friends who happen to support particular conclusions are invented out of whole cloth. And even when they're not - science is a good method for figuring stuff out, scientists can be just as wrong or foolish as the rest of us.

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall

I'm all for vaccination and I've had all mine and children have too, but anything that has been this rushed and not properly tested I will not be getting. I might feel differently if I were in a any kind of risk catagory. I dread to think whats in that Russian made vaccine

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I'm all for vaccination and I've had all mine and children have too, but anything that has been this rushed and not properly tested I will not be getting. I might feel differently if I were in a any kind of risk catagory. I dread to think whats in that Russian made vaccine "

I've heard some interesting discussions about what the rushing means in this case - in some cases, mostly administrative delays being cut. (In others not)

I look to the process and what the scientists say about it.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts.

100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing..."

Yes well there would be, it's you throwing the 100% figures around...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never got vaccines against many infectious diseases... Ebola was in Congo Feb this Yr..

SARs outbreak.. Still no vaccine..

There's big money flying round this pandemic.. So it won't be long..

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Never got vaccines against many infectious diseases... Ebola was in Congo Feb this Yr..

SARs outbreak.. Still no vaccine..

There's big money flying round this pandemic.. So it won't be long..

"

Actually Ebola vaccines have been trialled quite successfully in the wake of the last big outbreak, though it circulates all the time in central and Western Africa. We are reaping the benefits of SARS vaccine research from the early 2000s,because that's where they started ahead of the game with SARS-COV-2. The only reason a successful SARS vaccine wasn't produced is the need went away. That virus stopped circulating relatively quickly. SARS research has fed into MERS research and both have fed into SARS-COV-2 research. Just because it's not trumpeted in the daily news doesn't mean it's not happening behind the scenes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts.

100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest

that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing...

Yes well there would be, it's you throwing the 100% figures around..."

well then....why not offer a percentage figure of your own...

what in your opinion would be acceptable percentage-wise?

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"There's overwhelming evidence vaccines are safe and effective. They're an incredibly powerful tool. They have saved many, many lives. It's incredibly sad that some people are skeptical about them due to social media posts.

100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest

that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing...

Yes well there would be, it's you throwing the 100% figures around...

well then....why not offer a percentage figure of your own...

what in your opinion would be acceptable percentage-wise?"

Why would I do that?

You're the one throwing a 100% figure about to support your argument about 'overwhelming evidence' proves it's wrong.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that."

How many times do people have to be told thalidomide was NOT caused by a vaccine ffs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.How many times do people have to be told thalidomide was NOT caused by a vaccine ffs. "

I think most people know that but as a medication surely it should still have been trialled and have not been harmful to those it was given to??

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.How many times do people have to be told thalidomide was NOT caused by a vaccine ffs.

I think most people know that but as a medication surely it should still have been trialled and have not been harmful to those it was given to?? "

I think things have progressed since the 1950,s when this was produced in Germany as an anti flu drug.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"An IPSOS MORI poll released this week showed that for Great Britain, if a vaccine for Covid19 was available 85% would get it.

"

I can't believe the uptake would be 85%. As well as vaccine sceptics there are people who just can't be bothered, people who think they are young, fit and healthy so won't be badly affected, and also vegans and Muslims who don't want injecting with pig fat.

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

I dont know what the actual uptake figure would be but I would expect it to be high. As with a lot of things the anti brigade are extremely vocal while the rest of us get on with life.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Of that 85% how many would be not be able to get it due to what is in a dose which would then work against any current medication or how many would have allergies due to its contents.

It’s not as simple as finding a fast tracked vaccine and administering it to the entire population. The thalidomide scandal is testament to that.How many times do people have to be told thalidomide was NOT caused by a vaccine ffs.

I think most people know that but as a medication surely it should still have been trialled and have not been harmful to those it was given to?? "

It should have been. Fortunately medicine is full of smart people who've learned lessons on this, since then, and it's come up as part of the vaccine process

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine."

Everything carries risk. Everything.

Vaccines also carry enormous benefit.

And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing..."

Yet you take your chance on meeting with strangers for sex whose histories you can't possibly know. Ironic risk management eh?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

100% safe and effective 100% of the time? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that this is not the case. Even from before social media was a thing...

Yet you take your chance on meeting with strangers for sex whose histories you can't possibly know. Ironic risk management eh? "

I'll fuck strangers, I'll eat a dodgy kebab, I'll skip sleep...

Vaccine! Nuh uh. Vaccines must be absolutely perfect under all circumstances ever. I care about my health!

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine."

Where do you get your 99% from?

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

UN Forced To Admit Gates Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa

But people that question the safety of vaccines are science-denying lunatics, right?

Remember kids, vaccines are perfectly safe - for the vaccine makers ...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"UN Forced To Admit Gates Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa

But people that question the safety of vaccines are science-denying lunatics, right?

Remember kids, vaccines are perfectly safe - for the vaccine makers ..."

Goodness, you've discovered vaccine caused polio. Congratulations. Do you know anything else (like severity levels compared to wild type, or the fact it goes away when you hit a higher level of immunity) is this just a talking point because needles are icky?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Right. So. 'ALL' vacinnes are dangerous because some have proved to be so - and particulary so if part of their funding comes from Bill Gates ?? Sounds like a purely logical response to me.

'In addition to contributions by national (almost ALL) governments to their own polio eradication efforts, 100 public and private donors have given to the global programme. The GPEI has a diverse funding base, underscoring the truly global nature of the effort to eradicate polio world-wide'.

from: Global Global Eradication Intiative.

By that measure do not drive ANY cars - fly in planes etc etc - if more than a few have crashed!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Search:

gpei historical contributions charts v11

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"UN Forced To Admit Gates Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa

But people that question the safety of vaccines are science-denying lunatics, right?

Remember kids, vaccines are perfectly safe - for the vaccine makers ..."

And a quick google search of your dramatic headline provides a handful of results all pointing at the usual ridiculous websites.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

And I thought folks kissed UN ass, well untill they report on something folks don't agree with it seems.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Right. So. 'ALL' vacinnes are dangerous because some have proved to be so - and particulary so if part of their funding comes from Bill Gates ?? Sounds like a purely logical response to me.

'In addition to contributions by national (almost ALL) governments to their own polio eradication efforts, 100 public and private donors have given to the global programme. The GPEI has a diverse funding base, underscoring the truly global nature of the effort to eradicate polio world-wide'.

from: Global Global Eradication Intiative.

By that measure do not drive ANY cars - fly in planes etc etc - if more than a few have crashed!

"

I'd much rather face a terrible disease which could maim or kill me than take a medication which has a tiny chance of hurting me and a miniscule chance of seriously hurting me

Or "I don't think I'll get the disease and I don't care if I contribute to you getting it"

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"And I thought folks kissed UN ass, well untill they report on something folks don't agree with it seems. "

Huh. It might possibly be that we understand the situation rather than just scaremongering with a headline?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"UN Forced To Admit Gates Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa

But people that question the safety of vaccines are science-denying lunatics, right?

Remember kids, vaccines are perfectly safe - for the vaccine makers ...

And a quick google search of your dramatic headline provides a handful of results all pointing at the usual ridiculous websites.

"

Yup. Took me about 5 mins to search past those stupid web sites to get to GPEI (who are actually doing the real work of trying to eradicate Polio and not create reams of 'Conspiracy Entertainment' for the 'There is a Bogey-Man behind every door' believers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm suprised at the high figure of 85%, personally I don't know anyone who would take this vaccine.

At least us ones who won't have the vaccine will not be forced as 85% will produce herd immunity

I think the poll is BS.

No one i know is going to be having this vaccine once its here.

85% not a chance.

"

How many people do you ‘know’

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"UN Forced To Admit Gates Funded Vaccine Is Causing Polio Outbreak In Africa

But people that question the safety of vaccines are science-denying lunatics, right?

Remember kids, vaccines are perfectly safe - for the vaccine makers ...

And a quick google search of your dramatic headline provides a handful of results all pointing at the usual ridiculous websites.

Yup. Took me about 5 mins to search past those stupid web sites to get to GPEI (who are actually doing the real work of trying to eradicate Polio and not create reams of 'Conspiracy Entertainment' for the 'There is a Bogey-Man behind every door' believers.

"

The virologists I listen to happen to have a polio expert and they touched on it recently.

It's a potential side effect in some variants of the polio vaccine. It's less dangerous than wild polio and goes away with high vaccine uptake.

All medical intervention involves risk. This isn't news.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.


"

The virologists I listen to happen to have a polio expert and they touched on it recently.

It's a potential side effect in some variants of the polio vaccine. It's less dangerous than wild polio and goes away with high vaccine uptake.

All medical intervention involves risk. This isn't news."

And it's also NOT especial news because The Gates Foundation contributed to it either!

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

Correction, it is news, just not the conformation bias the MSM push out.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Correction, it is news, just not the conformation bias the MSM push out. "

It's been known about for a long time. Just because you've just discovered it...

And "mainstream media" doesn't mean "everyone who doesn't subscribe to my fringe views", btw.

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By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

You can’t sue vaccine manufacturers in the UK or USA. You can claim for vaccine injury, but in both the above you are making your claim against the government, the USA has paid out over $4 billion for vaccine injuries over the years, can’t find figures for the UK, the uk government even acknowledges vaccine injury, with its vaccine injury section on the gov.uk website, even the WHO admit they don’t do any vaccine safety checks,

Ps, if you have the flu jab this year, you can’t sue anybody, if your unlucky enough to get injured, as vaccine injuries only count in times on non pandemic

Just a little foot note, every major US vaccine maker has a criminal record, all for fraud, don’t understand why they have to be so underhand if the vaccines are so safe

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"You can’t sue vaccine manufacturers in the UK or USA. You can claim for vaccine injury, but in both the above you are making your claim against the government, the USA has paid out over $4 billion for vaccine injuries over the years, can’t find figures for the UK, the uk government even acknowledges vaccine injury, with its vaccine injury section on the gov.uk website, even the WHO admit they don’t do any vaccine safety checks,

Ps, if you have the flu jab this year, you can’t sue anybody, if your unlucky enough to get injured, as vaccine injuries only count in times on non pandemic

Just a little foot note, every major US vaccine maker has a criminal record, all for fraud, don’t understand why they have to be so underhand if the vaccines are so safe "

Huh. Governments view it in their interest to take on liability for massive public health benefit.

It's a conspiracy, clearly

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Sorry, I'd be in the alleged 15% then.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"

Just a little foot note, every major US vaccine maker has a criminal record, all for fraud, don’t understand why they have to be so underhand if the vaccines are so safe "

Which vaccine makers are those then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine.

Everything carries risk. Everything.

Vaccines also carry enormous benefit.

And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can. "

So you mean to tell me if said complication was that 7 million people immediately dropped dead you would be okay with that in the name of health?

I don’t think you can even visualise how many people that actually is, that’s more Jews than Hitler killed.

Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that has the same chance as harming me as the virus itself does.

Flu jabs are for the Elderly and the vulnerable, healthy people do not take them so why should they take a COVID vaccine?

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. $115,000,000,000 is 11,500,000% greater than $1,000,000. Just to put that insane amount of cash into perspective for you.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine.

Everything carries risk. Everything.

Vaccines also carry enormous benefit.

And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can.

So you mean to tell me if said complication was that 7 million people immediately dropped dead you would be okay with that in the name of health?

I don’t think you can even visualise how many people that actually is, that’s more Jews than Hitler killed.

Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that has the same chance as harming me as the virus itself does.

Flu jabs are for the Elderly and the vulnerable, healthy people do not take them so why should they take a COVID vaccine?

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. $115,000,000,000 is 11,500,000% greater than $1,000,000. Just to put that insane amount of cash into perspective for you."

Did anyone say that the vaccine complications would be death? Or did you invent a number and invent a complication?

Big numbers are big and vaccines are still a public health benefit

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy."

I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy.

I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims."

Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy.

I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims.

Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns"

It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ..

It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy.

I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims.

Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns

It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ..

It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles.."

It's incredibly bizarre.

Hell, given the way Trump is going and his track record, if I wanted to point to a rich guy who was a threat to public health and had association with dodgy vaccines, I'd look at Trump. (Announcement that agencies had to be ready to deliver a vaccine right before the election - there's just no way that'll be possible)

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy.

I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims.

Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns

It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ..

It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles..

It's incredibly bizarre.

Hell, given the way Trump is going and his track record, if I wanted to point to a rich guy who was a threat to public health and had association with dodgy vaccines, I'd look at Trump. (Announcement that agencies had to be ready to deliver a vaccine right before the election - there's just no way that'll be possible)"

Exactly, his performance this far has only led to further division and confusing / dangerous messages and rhetoric..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy.

I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims.

Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns

It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ..

It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles..

It's incredibly bizarre.

Hell, given the way Trump is going and his track record, if I wanted to point to a rich guy who was a threat to public health and had association with dodgy vaccines, I'd look at Trump. (Announcement that agencies had to be ready to deliver a vaccine right before the election - there's just no way that'll be possible)

Exactly, his performance this far has only led to further division and confusing / dangerous messages and rhetoric..

"

And disease and death, plus if he does release a vaccine early for political gain... Jesus.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy.

I haven't seen anyone dictating global health policy, just a pile of unevidenced claims.

Bill Gates has a lot of money and I don't like vaccines therefore unicorns

It's an unfounded and slightly bizarre claim, bloke trying to save lives and every one who appears to have a tenuous grasp on reality sees him as the anti Christ..

It's akin to saying Donald trump is setting global hair styles..

It's incredibly bizarre.

Hell, given the way Trump is going and his track record, if I wanted to point to a rich guy who was a threat to public health and had association with dodgy vaccines, I'd look at Trump. (Announcement that agencies had to be ready to deliver a vaccine right before the election - there's just no way that'll be possible)

Exactly, his performance this far has only led to further division and confusing / dangerous messages and rhetoric..

And disease and death, plus if he does release a vaccine early for political gain... Jesus."

He probably knows it's not going to happen for the right reasons etc but will say it's s political attempt to stop him healing the nation's ills and fighting the virus..

A million could die on his watch and he would not be bothered, nothing else counts except his ego and wanting to be able day in future that he was a two term president..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine.

Everything carries risk. Everything.

Vaccines also carry enormous benefit.

And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can.

So you mean to tell me if said complication was that 7 million people immediately dropped dead you would be okay with that in the name of health?

I don’t think you can even visualise how many people that actually is, that’s more Jews than Hitler killed.

Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that has the same chance as harming me as the virus itself does.

Flu jabs are for the Elderly and the vulnerable, healthy people do not take them so why should they take a COVID vaccine?

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. $115,000,000,000 is 11,500,000% greater than $1,000,000. Just to put that insane amount of cash into perspective for you.

Did anyone say that the vaccine complications would be death? Or did you invent a number and invent a complication?

Big numbers are big and vaccines are still a public health benefit "

No I was clearly asking you if the complication was instant death would you be okay with it in the name of health? Don’t try twisting my words.

And if you’ve seen any of Bill’s recent interviews on COVID it is very apparent he thinks of himself as a leader in this crisis, not to mention he is the World Health Organisations second biggest donor behind the US government who have pulled their funding over fears of corruption.

Are they not the people recommending to the government how to tackle said crisis?

If Bill is stuffing $350,000,000 into their pockets every year you don’t think they wouldn’t be inclined to favour what he says?

As for saying Trumps policies being divisive and confusing are you suggesting Boris’s policies haven’t been?

I do recall a string of press conferences where Boris’s policies on the matter were very unclear.

Not to mention he hid in a fridge to avoid questions.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think your question is ludicrous. Do you know that they test for safety? Extensively? No I wouldn't take a vaccine based on your fantasy, but it'd never be approved. I'll take vaccines based on the approval processes of reputable countries. Which carry some risk. (Side note: I take a medication which keeps me alive. I need to take it for life. It probably carries higher risk than most vaccines. But being alive is nice)

No, I haven't been watching Gates. I admire his philanthropic work but I listen to actual experts. Who are being guided by the evidence not rich people or politics.

Did I say I approved of BoJo the clown? I'm pretty sure I didn't.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So let's be very very clear because apparently ambiguity isn't allowed.

Would I take a vaccine that had a 1% death rate? No.

Would you refuse to take a vaccine that ensures puppies lived, you puppy hater? (I can make shit up too)

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Vaccines are 99% safe, 1% of 7 billion is 7 million, I hope none of you are apart of the potentially 7 million people who suffer complications from the vaccine.

Everything carries risk. Everything.

Vaccines also carry enormous benefit.

And I have people in my life who've had complications from vaccines. They understand the risk benefit profile, and so they continue to be vaccinated where they can.

So you mean to tell me if said complication was that 7 million people immediately dropped dead you would be okay with that in the name of health?

I don’t think you can even visualise how many people that actually is, that’s more Jews than Hitler killed.

Why would I take a vaccine for a virus that has the same chance as harming me as the virus itself does.

Flu jabs are for the Elderly and the vulnerable, healthy people do not take them so why should they take a COVID vaccine?

I don’t know about you people but I don’t trust anyone who’s net worth is 115 billion dollars to dictate global health policy. $115,000,000,000 is 11,500,000% greater than $1,000,000. Just to put that insane amount of cash into perspective for you.

Did anyone say that the vaccine complications would be death? Or did you invent a number and invent a complication?

Big numbers are big and vaccines are still a public health benefit

No I was clearly asking you if the complication was instant death would you be okay with it in the name of health? Don’t try twisting my words.

And if you’ve seen any of Bill’s recent interviews on COVID it is very apparent he thinks of himself as a leader in this crisis, not to mention he is the World Health Organisations second biggest donor behind the US government who have pulled their funding over fears of corruption.

Are they not the people recommending to the government how to tackle said crisis?

If Bill is stuffing $350,000,000 into their pockets every year you don’t think they wouldn’t be inclined to favour what he says?

As for saying Trumps policies being divisive and confusing are you suggesting Boris’s policies haven’t been?

I do recall a string of press conferences where Boris’s policies on the matter were very unclear.

Not to mention he hid in a fridge to avoid questions. "

As far as your perception is he thinks he's a leader, what has he actually said on the record to make you think that?

And tbh given the global situation has been thus far more about mainly egotistical possibly sociopathic men wanting to big their own egos up in this pandemic then any global figure who could lead for the benefit of all is to be welcomed..

Comparing our own leaders inadequate responses with trump's in order to try and have a go at a man who has given billions of dollars on public health initiatives in the poorest parts of the globe is banal and irrelevant..

If you want to talk specifically about corruption then trump is certainly to be included but that's not the thread nor the forum..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let's be very very clear because apparently ambiguity isn't allowed.

Would I take a vaccine that had a 1% death rate? No.

Would you refuse to take a vaccine that ensures puppies lived, you puppy hater? (I can make shit up too)"

Death from vaccination is extremely rare but it does happen. It’s not a fantasy.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"So let's be very very clear because apparently ambiguity isn't allowed.

Would I take a vaccine that had a 1% death rate? No.

Would you refuse to take a vaccine that ensures puppies lived, you puppy hater? (I can make shit up too)

Death from vaccination is extremely rare but it does happen. It’s not a fantasy."

You said 1%. So I was answering your fantasy question.

I will take a vaccine in line with safety standards as they're set, which are safer than most medications. If that involves an extremely low risk of death, then I'll accept that. If I die, I've died doing the right thing for humanity.

Someone I'm extremely close to did nearly die from a vaccine, so your rhetoric doesn't trouble me. I get the jab to protect him and others like him. And my fellow man. It's called communal responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So let's be very very clear because apparently ambiguity isn't allowed.

Would I take a vaccine that had a 1% death rate? No.

Would you refuse to take a vaccine that ensures puppies lived, you puppy hater? (I can make shit up too)

Death from vaccination is extremely rare but it does happen. It’s not a fantasy.

You said 1%. So I was answering your fantasy question.

I will take a vaccine in line with safety standards as they're set, which are safer than most medications. If that involves an extremely low risk of death, then I'll accept that. If I die, I've died doing the right thing for humanity.

Someone I'm extremely close to did nearly die from a vaccine, so your rhetoric doesn't trouble me. I get the jab to protect him and others like him. And my fellow man. It's called communal responsibility."

I said 1% could suffer complications not death, I then asked you if the complication was instant death would you still take it.

Stop trying to twist my words it won’t work.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Oh, so complications like a sore arm?

Oh baby, a sore arm, the humanity, let others die so I don't have an owie

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"the" complication or a potential complication? I'm not twisting words. It matters.

Wouldn't "instant death" have been picked up in the human trials already, or is this a vaccine by a super villain rejected by publishers because it's totally unbelievable?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

If you're asking whether I'd take a vaccine no matter what, of course not. Only antivaxxers think anyone thinks in such black and white terms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh, so complications like a sore arm?

Oh baby, a sore arm, the humanity, let others die so I don't have an owie"

When I got my jabs in secondary school a young girl was left in a vegetative state.

You just said someone close to you almost died from a vaccine.

A common complication would be a sore arm, most people have a sore arm after a jab.

I’m talking about life changing complications. The rare in the 1% complications.

You’re rather dim aren’t you.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"

You’re rather dim aren’t you. "

There is no need to stoop to personal insults

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Oh, so complications like a sore arm?

Oh baby, a sore arm, the humanity, let others die so I don't have an owie

When I got my jabs in secondary school a young girl was left in a vegetative state.

You just said someone close to you almost died from a vaccine.

A common complication would be a sore arm, most people have a sore arm after a jab.

I’m talking about life changing complications. The rare in the 1% complications.

You’re rather dim aren’t you. "

I'm not the one saying that a vaccine would be approved that caused instant death.

There are processes. There's population level risk which is lower than the risk of infection. I take that risk when it's been appropriately decided by reputable agencies.

And yes he did, and yes I keep getting my jabs beyond the schedule because it's my duty to my community. The individual risk is miniscule.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh, so complications like a sore arm?

Oh baby, a sore arm, the humanity, let others die so I don't have an owie

When I got my jabs in secondary school a young girl was left in a vegetative state.

You just said someone close to you almost died from a vaccine.

A common complication would be a sore arm, most people have a sore arm after a jab.

I’m talking about life changing complications. The rare in the 1% complications.

You’re rather dim aren’t you.

I'm not the one saying that a vaccine would be approved that caused instant death.

There are processes. There's population level risk which is lower than the risk of infection. I take that risk when it's been appropriately decided by reputable agencies.

And yes he did, and yes I keep getting my jabs beyond the schedule because it's my duty to my community. The individual risk is miniscule."

Did your friend take a vaccine that wasn’t approved then? Cause vaccines that can kill don’t make it past trials according to you.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

Did your friend take a vaccine that wasn’t approved then? Cause vaccines that can kill don’t make it past trials according to you. "

No, I said causing "instant death". Do pay attention.

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley


"So let's be very very clear because apparently ambiguity isn't allowed.

Would I take a vaccine that had a 1% death rate? No.

Would you refuse to take a vaccine that ensures puppies lived, you puppy hater? (I can make shit up too)"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I tell you what Mike, if a vaccine comes along don't take it. Tell your friends not to take it, tell your family not to take it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I tell you what Mike, if a vaccine comes along don't take it. Tell your friends not to take it, tell your family not to take it."

Don’t worry I already have and they’ve all agreed not to accept it, now what?

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over a year ago

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Every action or inaction carries risk. That's just life. My chair could collapse from under me. The building I'm in could collapse.

Vaccines also carry risk. My arse is still in the chair in the building and I'm not about to go stand in the rain (oh no, there's air pollution and cars there - risk - existential crisis!) because of tiny risks. I understand risk management and the kinds of numbers involved.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Oh, so complications like a sore arm?

Oh baby, a sore arm, the humanity, let others die so I don't have an owie

When I got my jabs in secondary school a young girl was left in a vegetative state.

You just said someone close to you almost died from a vaccine.

A common complication would be a sore arm, most people have a sore arm after a jab.

I’m talking about life changing complications. The rare in the 1% complications.

You’re rather dim aren’t you. "

Of course that's a bad out come for that person and get family but how many where there in that year group who had no side effects and benefitted from the vaccine?

And no need to get personal btw..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I tell you what Mike, if a vaccine comes along don't take it. Tell your friends not to take it, tell your family not to take it.

Don’t worry I already have and they’ve all agreed not to accept it, now what? "

Surely that's something you and they have considered?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I tell you what Mike, if a vaccine comes along don't take it. Tell your friends not to take it, tell your family not to take it.

Don’t worry I already have and they’ve all agreed not to accept it, now what? "

That'll be your problem not mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? "

My anti vax bingo card is filling up nicely. Sigh.

That's not how it works.

Not all vaccinations are 100% effective (nothing is ever 100% effective). So I might take on the risk and still be put in danger because of people like you. The more infectious a disease, the higher you need uptake to be to develop herd immunity.

Even if a vaccine were 100% effective, some people can't have it due to allergies or previous adverse reactions to related vaccines. So I might be fine but medically vulnerable people might not be.

Immunity wanes with age. Starting at about 30 but gets really bad after about 60. So my parents, having done the right thing, won't get the same protection I do, and will be threatened by people who refuse to do their bit.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right? "

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.."

But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of.."

Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of."

Mainstream media...........JFC Whelp, this is my stop.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol."

Most vaccines are preventable childhood illnesses

Covid has killed over 100 kids in the US. Nothing in the grand scheme, sure, but 100 families have lost their kids. Lol indeed

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of."

Bingo!

Stopped listening to the government in April.

Stopped doing more than glancing at headlines in May.

You were saying?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol."

Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said?

Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

This just in: there are sources of information that aren't government, media, or crackpots.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of."

Instead of what, q anon?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

Blindly trusting the government and mainstream media is something we should all be wary of.

Instead of what, q anon? "

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"This just in: there are sources of information that aren't government, media, or crackpots."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol.

Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said?

Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish.."

I’m not even a anti vaxxer. I’ve received all my jabs.

However I don’t trust a vaccine that is being fast tracked so it is available in under a year.

I don’t trust a man who is insisting that the entire global population must be vaccinated before we can return to normal. When he has massive investments in said vaccines.

The man who has already been subject to and lost anti trust hearings over his business practises.

I don’t trust medical professionals who fuelled a opioid epidemic to line their own pockets to tell the truth.

I don’t trust big techs mass censorship of people speaking out against the narrative.

I don’t trust a government that has carried out secret bio weapons tests on its populace in the past.

There’s a lot of untrustworthy behaviour going on right now and you’re pretty blind if you can’t see it.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol.

Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said?

Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish..

I’m not even a anti vaxxer. I’ve received all my jabs.

However I don’t trust a vaccine that is being fast tracked so it is available in under a year.

I don’t trust a man who is insisting that the entire global population must be vaccinated before we can return to normal. When he has massive investments in said vaccines.

The man who has already been subject to and lost anti trust hearings over his business practises.

I don’t trust medical professionals who fuelled a opioid epidemic to line their own pockets to tell the truth.

I don’t trust big techs mass censorship of people speaking out against the narrative.

I don’t trust a government that has carried out secret bio weapons tests on its populace in the past.

There’s a lot of untrustworthy behaviour going on right now and you’re pretty blind if you can’t see it.

"

I'm aware of how and why fast tracking is happening. Some good, some bad. There's nuance here.

Bill Gates is more or less irrelevant except he helps people get vaccinated.

You're using all the anti vax talking points. Including inflating risk of vaccine and downplaying risk of disease.

I trust the process. People are flawed. If the process is followed I'm on board.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

wow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol.

Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said?

Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish..

I’m not even a anti vaxxer. I’ve received all my jabs.

However I don’t trust a vaccine that is being fast tracked so it is available in under a year.

I don’t trust a man who is insisting that the entire global population must be vaccinated before we can return to normal. When he has massive investments in said vaccines.

The man who has already been subject to and lost anti trust hearings over his business practises.

I don’t trust medical professionals who fuelled a opioid epidemic to line their own pockets to tell the truth.

I don’t trust big techs mass censorship of people speaking out against the narrative.

I don’t trust a government that has carried out secret bio weapons tests on its populace in the past.

There’s a lot of untrustworthy behaviour going on right now and you’re pretty blind if you can’t see it.

I'm aware of how and why fast tracking is happening. Some good, some bad. There's nuance here.

Bill Gates is more or less irrelevant except he helps people get vaccinated.

You're using all the anti vax talking points. Including inflating risk of vaccine and downplaying risk of disease.

I trust the process. People are flawed. If the process is followed I'm on board."

He definitely isn’t irrelevant if his capital is funding the process.

That’s like saying shareholders in a company have no influence over what goes on in the business.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

He definitely isn’t irrelevant if his capital is funding the process.

That’s like saying shareholders in a company have no influence over what goes on in the business."

So because one guy is apparently evil (citation needed for anti vax talking point), we should get rid of vaccines?

That's baloney.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"If you are all so scared of COVID get your vaccines and you’ll be safe right? Can’t catch it from the unvaccinated if you’re already vaccinated right?

Fear is not the issue, tbh the ignorance and those seeking to put the health of others children at risk as they've swallowed some conspiracy bollocks is something we should all be wary of..

But COVID hardly effects children? What are you even talking about lol.

Keep up eh, have you forgotten what you said?

Your the anti vaxer and appear to have brought into the bill gates is the devil rubbish..

I’m not even a anti vaxxer. I’ve received all my jabs.

However I don’t trust a vaccine that is being fast tracked so it is available in under a year.

I don’t trust a man who is insisting that the entire global population must be vaccinated before we can return to normal. When he has massive investments in said vaccines.

The man who has already been subject to and lost anti trust hearings over his business practises.

I don’t trust medical professionals who fuelled a opioid epidemic to line their own pockets to tell the truth.

I don’t trust big techs mass censorship of people speaking out against the narrative.

I don’t trust a government that has carried out secret bio weapons tests on its populace in the past.

There’s a lot of untrustworthy behaviour going on right now and you’re pretty blind if you can’t see it.

"

And I don't trust what you're saying.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm assuming that I will get 1 on the vaccines but after I've researches the evidence, for safety and efficacy. Like many, I'm inclined towards it, because I want to help to build herd immunity for the benefit of us all. I'm assuming that if we get 1, it will be early 2021. Obviously the research results may not give us that option, nor that quickly.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

The trial has been halted as one of the volunterrs has had a reaction

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"The trial has been halted as one of the volunterrs has had a reaction"

One of the trials for one of the vaccine candidates.

This shows the process working properly: determining whether the illness is related to the vaccine candidate is part of ensuring it's safe.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"The trial has been halted as one of the volunterrs has had a reaction"

Actually it may sound bad... but this is actually perfectly normal standard practice.. and is fairly common

If anyone comes out with an adverse reaction not seen in the phase 2 stage... the phase 3 is stopped to make sure it isn’t for example a faulty batch or something that needs further investigation

At the moment this is 1 person in 30000 volunteers... it may be something they have to report on as a very very rare side effect but not common enough to stop going forward

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldnt do it, also there was just a case in the uk who got nerve damage from the testing of the vaccine, so there is a chance of something to go wrong from it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldnt do it, also there was just a case in the uk who got nerve damage from the testing of the vaccine, so there is a chance of something to go wrong from it."
It was in pahse 3 so now they have to "stop" the testing, it is called a "rush vaccine" where they havent taken the time to really develop it which could take years.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Anti Vaxers going to be dining out on this one.

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