FabSwingers.com forum: Do vulnerable lives matter

By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish"

Do you go in shops and put the staff at risk ? Do you have post delivered and bins emptied ? Do you expect elecricity, gas and water workers to keep your supply flowing ? Do you expect Police and NHS staff to keep working. Etc. Etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they do

But I think you mean in the "shielded " context. There are also vulnerable people who are not in that category due to mental illnesses. Which the lockdown has effected too...that also need consideration.

On the whole we needed the lockdown in my view but I also accept there has been other victims cause by it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can't stay in forever, I feel sorry for the old and lonely, people with anxiety, mental health, the disabled vulnerable people that have none of there support networks reopened, people without jobs, worrying about there houses, how there gonna pay there bills, the people who have lost loved ones not to covid but to suicide. Obviously the shielded matter too but what are we gonna do stay in till theres a vaccine?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Ultimately the vulnerable are going to need stay shielded and ultimately it’s down to the government and loved ones to support. The country does need to start moving again which it is.

My father is locked down and I worry. But we are all pulling together and doing what we can to keep him social and busy safely.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish"

At the same time the government slapped DNR orders on the elderly and the otherwise “vulnerable” - including my 14 year old, disabled, son. I didn’t hear a whisper from the nhs complaining about it, or from MPs from the government or opposing parties.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around "

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

DNR was sneaked in 45 and over. Our hozzie 239 cov but all underlying conditions, don't know breakdown if already palative care etc tho

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"everyone has the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around "

Agreed but that doesn't seem to have been the case for a lot of people with cancer, just as one example

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"everyone has the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

Agreed but that doesn't seem to have been the case for a lot of people with cancer, just as one example "

My son has autism and developmental delay - his “underlying condition” is epilepsy. He’s not had a seizure for about six years, as it’s now well controlled by medication. But if he got the Rona badly enough, he would be condemned to die.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"everyone has the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

Agreed but that doesn't seem to have been the case for a lot of people with cancer, just as one example

I’m assuming with a DNR on his records his would be condemned to die for any reason he went into hospital and had respiratory failure.

So no. I don’t think we do care about our vulnerable at all, actually.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

All lives matter.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Of course vulnerable lives matter but it is also necessary to to take into account Quality Adjusted Life Years from a financial point of view when assessing health treatments or actions taken. e,g is a lockdown costing billions worth it if on average elderly peoples (with co-morbidities) lives were shortened by 3 months by CV19?

One QALY is equal to 1 year of life in perfect health. QALYs are calculated by estimating the years of life remaining for a patient following a particular treatment or intervention and weighting each year with a quality-of-life score. It is often measured in terms of the person’s ability to carry out the activities of daily life, and freedom from pain and mental disturbance.

This may sound harsh but all drug treatments have been based on this formula for years and people quite happily accept that. Drug treatments are less likely to be funded by the NHS if they are going to cost in excess of £20,000 and £30,000 per QALY. To put it simply if a drug is going to cost £5 million to, on average, increase life expectancy by 3 months it won't be funded.

That is existing fact.

Another fact is that lockdown in the west will cost many millions (if not billions) of deaths in the third world. Should actions here to reduce deaths by thousands be acceptable if they cause many more deaths elsewhere?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's a false dichotomy that some people have tried to impose, between either health or the economy. It's a facile thinking mind that tries it, for goodness knows what motivation.

As an incredibly wealthy nation, we should prioritise our people and their health and wellbeing. Nothing matters more.

This especially includes the more vulnerable amongst us, who should never have their needs discarded by the vicious and greedy amongst us.

Don't think of an either/or, impose wisdom and morality, when taking the time it needs, when we must decide our plans. This is partly why a single party may be the least likely to manage things well, due to being fixated with an ideology. Cross-party working is more ideal, to displace those as much as possible. With a great leader, more can be done, if they have an outstanding moral compass. That's not the case with the vermin running around now in London.

We've now had many months to devise and implement action that works for the good of the people, especially those who are most vulnerable, following from when many were thrown to the wolves, ravaged by the virus in care homes and elsewhere. I'm unsure if much has been learned, outside of the medical research that's grown.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

My dad had one of those imposed on him also, and it was nothing to do with the government or the hospital in which he has just finished treatment for prostrate cancer, it was his local GP surgery using their supposed initiative!

When I posted about it on here no one really gave a shit but people do need to know exactly who and where the letters were generated from, as my dad also received a local hospital letter to tell him to shield then afterwards apologised as they sent out over 3000 letters incorrectly!

A lot of facts need to be checked is all I am saying.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over. "

Contact your GP surgery and say you rescind their DNR offer or whatever they are calling it, and ask for all data to be removed from all databases that may have this information and ask for conformation that this has been done! Under GDPR rule, they have to comply, that is what my dad did, so do it tomorrow is my advise, and good luck

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Thank you- I’ve pmd you, but just wanted to say on here- that is very helpful. I will get on it tomorrow. Very much appreciated xx

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

A lot of facts need to be checked is all I am saying. "

I phoned his GP and they professed absolute ignorance.. I know this isn’t the thread for it, but I’ve had people on here treating me like a loon for saying gp services have been neglected. And here’s direct evidence. No doubt I’m still a selfish, bratty Covid denier though.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

A lot of facts need to be checked is all I am saying.

Sorry. Touchy subject!!

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Thank you- I’ve pmd you, but just wanted to say on here- that is very helpful. I will get on it tomorrow. Very much appreciated xx"

You are very welcome! Just do it and if they hum and hey just quote GDPR, they will know exactly what that means xx

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

Look up Kate Masters as she took the gov to court, Over the dnr system theres supposed to be regs and guidance with it

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"We can't stay in forever, I feel sorry for the old and lonely, people with anxiety, mental health, the disabled vulnerable people that have none of there support networks reopened, people without jobs, worrying about there houses, how there gonna pay there bills, the people who have lost loved ones not to covid but to suicide. Obviously the shielded matter too but what are we gonna do stay in till theres a vaccine? "
I've been working with the people you mentioned since the start.. I have a daughter who is basically stuck in because there is nothing for her to do x

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I agree terrible there should be an inquiry.

NHS Dr's, were in onit and appear to agree

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Look up Kate Masters as she took the gov to court, Over the dnr system theres supposed to be regs and guidance with it "

How did she get on

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"DNR was sneaked in 45 and over. Our hozzie 239 cov but all underlying conditions, don't know breakdown if already palative care etc tho "

Can I confirm what you said anyone over 45.

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Conclusion it's seems vulnerable lives don't matter to goverment NHS or sick children.

Can we confirm over 45 DNR.

IF SO CAN You confirm how I get rid of it I'm over 45.

Really depresses me as country the way we are treating them

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Boris over 45 was he put on dnr

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Are we talking about DNACPR orders here?

This is where everything will be done to save a patients life, EXCEPT CPR and heart shock.

These can only be issued by a Doctor, and certainly not by the Goverment. Its normally done in consultation with the patient's family.

I'm sure questions will be rightly asked if evidence appears that proper protocols haven't been followed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we talking about DNACPR orders here?

This is where everything will be done to save a patients life, EXCEPT CPR and heart shock.

These can only be issued by a Doctor, and certainly not by the Goverment. Its normally done in consultation with the patient's family.

I'm sure questions will be rightly asked if evidence appears that proper protocols haven't been followed. "

^ this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone life matters

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Are we talking about DNACPR orders here?

This is where everything will be done to save a patients life, EXCEPT CPR and heart shock.

These can only be issued by a Doctor, and certainly not by the Goverment. Its normally done in consultation with the patient's family.

I'm sure questions will be rightly asked if evidence appears that proper protocols haven't been followed. "

Think you a bit naive about Dr's.

Also the goverment tell Dr's what to do

As detailed above letters were sent from goverment. I think they mentioned 3000 sent and press saw them.

Why would you put all over 45s on them.

You need to open your eyes.

Dr's are human aswell so there good and bad

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

It matters when you are personally impacted

But 20k people die per day from hunger which we ignore

If we were asked to give all our savings or home equity to save a life most would decline

Governments around the world don't think about jo blogs who died yesterday

We are probably more selfish than we like to admit

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Are we talking about DNACPR orders here?

This is where everything will be done to save a patients life, EXCEPT CPR and heart shock.

These can only be issued by a Doctor, and certainly not by the Goverment. Its normally done in consultation with the patient's family.

I'm sure questions will be rightly asked if evidence appears that proper protocols haven't been followed.

Think you a bit naive about Dr's.

Also the goverment tell Dr's what to do

As detailed above letters were sent from goverment. I think they mentioned 3000 sent and press saw them.

Why would you put all over 45s on them.

You need to open your eyes.

Dr's are human aswell so there good and bad"

Also my experience very rarely Dr's consult with families they have already y decided and want to tick the box family views usually dusmissed

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"It matters when you are personally impacted

But 20k people die per day from hunger which we ignore

If we were asked to give all our savings or home equity to save a life most would decline

Governments around the world don't think about jo blogs who died yesterday

We are probably more selfish than we like to admit

I respect your honesty

Don't agree but respect your view due to honesty

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish"

Now we know how is at higher risk those people should be given every bit of support to isolate and shield themselves from this terrible virus but other individuals need to be given their freedoms back as to the vast majority it is only a case of flu..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. The government don't care. Those people who desperately need to go to the pub or refuse to wear masks don't care.

As a physically vulnerable person who also has severe mental health issues... it's depressing. People are quick to say "The vulnerable need to shield themselves so the rest of us can get back to normal' with seemingly no concern for how deeply it is affecting those of us who are vulnerable.

The whole thing has really made me hate people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It matters when you are personally impacted

But 20k people die per day from hunger which we ignore

If we were asked to give all our savings or home equity to save a life most would decline

Governments around the world don't think about jo blogs who died yesterday

We are probably more selfish than we like to admit

I respect your honesty

Don't agree but respect your view due to honesty"

I agree with the former. I see people moaning and groaning about the government on here and what they are doing, and yet seem happy to jet off to other countries where the virus is clearly more prevalent and then moan about quarantine.

Personally I don't have a problem with holidaying abroad but I would accept that it has risks and it is my responsibility if I get covid 19 and that 2 weeks when I get home would be necessary.

What does definitely get my goat is the humbug that many spout on here over the last few months and then justify themselves by saying " oh I'm going to a place where the virus is less prevalent". As if that will ease their conscience.

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"It matters when you are personally impacted

But 20k people die per day from hunger which we ignore

If we were asked to give all our savings or home equity to save a life most would decline

Governments around the world don't think about jo blogs who died yesterday

We are probably more selfish than we like to admit

I respect your honesty

Don't agree but respect your view due to honesty

Personally I don't have a problem with holidaying abroad but I would accept that it has risks and it is my responsibility if I get covid 19 and that 2 weeks when I get home would be necessary.

I agree

There was one family on TV complaining and it was there first holiday abroad.

They deserve it.

Why go abroad in middle of pandemic totally selfish and financially stupid

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"No. The government don't care. Those people who desperately need to go to the pub or refuse to wear masks don't care.

The whole thing has really made me hate people.

I agree makes despair the morals on this country and Selfishness we should protect the vulnerable.

I hope you ok

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

Should only be given freedoms of they don't spread disease which is obvious most 25 to 40byear olds ignore

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"No. The government don't care. Those people who desperately need to go to the pub or refuse to wear masks don't care.

The whole thing has really made me hate people.

Mail if you need to talk may help

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

But for those of us who are vulnerable, do our lives have to remain on hold until there's a vaccine?? If track and trace worked properly, if people followed rules, I could get back to my job and busy, active life. Please don't condemn us to house arrest indefinitely. Other countries have proven its possible to contain the virus and arrest its spread.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos. "

Cheers.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It matters when you are personally impacted

But 20k people die per day from hunger which we ignore

If we were asked to give all our savings or home equity to save a life most would decline

Governments around the world don't think about jo blogs who died yesterday

We are probably more selfish than we like to admit

20k..well apart from the charities etc which people give too.

Selfishness is a human trait but can be tempered by a bit of empathy which not everyone has.

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos. "

Hope you feel same if parents or grandparents catch it.

Selfish

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

Sorry to depress you goverment don't care and most of public selfish so I think vaccine is the only way out

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

Cheers."

Hope you are OK can you mail me please

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Sorry all lives matter!!

We cannot discriminate between race creed or physiology

I thought we were learning how to be more tolerant?

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

In reality no lives matter. There are 60 million people in the UK and 7 billion in the world. My life matters to some of my relatives and some friends but in reality the world will go on without me as if I never existed.

I have no right to expect the world to lock down to protect me in the same way that I don't have a right to ban cars so I don't get run over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

Cheers.

Hope you are OK can you mail me please "

I'm OK. Just a bit aghast at some opinions on this thread.

Rhino-skinned.

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

Cheers.

Hope you are OK can you mail me please

I'm OK. Just a bit aghast at some opinions on this thread.

Rhino-skinned. "

Good. Offer open if you want to mail

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"In reality no lives matter. There are 60 million people in the UK and 7 billion in the world. My life matters to some of my relatives and some friends but in reality the world will go on without me as if I never existed.

I have no right to expect the world to lock down to protect me in the same way that I don't have a right to ban cars so I don't get run over."

Appreciate and respect your honesty

But depressing you lack of humanity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no right to expect the world to lock down to protect me in the same way that I don't have a right to ban cars so I don't get run over."

But I think it's reasonable to expect the government of a comparatively rich western country to adopt proven practices that would enable ALL citizens to return to a productive active life as soon as possible. My anger is (mostly) directed to Westminster, not fab members.

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

I have no right to expect the world to lock down to protect me in the same way that I don't have a right to ban cars so I don't get run over.

Agree can you mail me please

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I have no right to expect the world to lock down to protect me in the same way that I don't have a right to ban cars so I don't get run over."

The world isnt locking down to protect you.

It's doing it to protect millions of people.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos. "

The survival of the fittest is by any means that a species is endowed with. With humans, this has been largely due to our intelligence and social abilities, over many generations. We have great collective strengths and fitness to take advantage of, otherwise we would have probably been extinct individually and as a species, long ago.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status. "

And until we have a cure for it it’s survival of the fittest that are fit enough to survive it. Science and medicine has made it so far to many people that would have died at birth have carried on living with no real quality of life but through pure selfishness of parents unwilling to let go.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status.

Imagine not wanting to let your child die.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

If it’s barely recogniseable as a child I can’t imagine not wanting to let it die. Let’s face it we’re all quick enough to scream outrage and cruelty when animals are not put to sleep when the need to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it’s barely recogniseable as a child I can’t imagine not wanting to let it die. Let’s face it we’re all quick enough to scream outrage and cruelty when animals are not put to sleep when the need to be. "

No kids yourself?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

If it's barely recognisable as a child?

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

No kids yourself?"

Tried, turns out it was going to be massively disabled so aborted and decided not to try again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No kids yourself?

Tried, turns out it was going to be massively disabled so aborted and decided not to try again. "

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By *on12xx OP Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Child ill is worst thing k on world

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status.

I think you may have missed my point that it's largely been oyr species' fitness of intelligence, that has supported our survival for a long time now.

Overcoming the virus may be achieved in a variety of ways. We should apply our intelligence and wisdom, our acquired knowledge etc, to ensure that all survive, as quickly as we can. Vaccines and other medical treatments can be a part of this but we're likely to be able to achieve this more broadly and effectively than just via vaccines especially.

A eugenicists approach is somewhat at odds with a credible humanitarian approach.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status.

I think you may have missed my point that it's largely been oyr species' fitness of intelligence, that has supported our survival for a long time now.

A eugenicists approach is somewhat at odds with a credible humanitarian approach. "

Not at all my, counter point was that that “fitness of intelligence” as you put it has just meant that those that are weak and vulnerable are surviving where they would not have under natural survival of the fitness, and that is not to the betterment of mankind.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status.

I think you may have missed my point that it's largely been oyr species' fitness of intelligence, that has supported our survival for a long time now.

A eugenicists approach is somewhat at odds with a credible humanitarian approach.

The human race benefits from the diversity that we have amongst us. We individually and collectively survive and prosper, which better fulfills our genes need for survival. It is, after all, such diversity that establishes us with stronger prospects for having the fittest to be able to survive, should others not be able to. With any diminished system that is limited, it is less likely to have what it takes compared to another with broader talents amongst it. Consider also the substantial contributions that many of those who some may perceive as less able, have contributed to our shared heritage. Even people like Hawking may have been written off by some, yet a few moments of his thinking has probably bestowed us with much more than they ever achieved in their self-centred, narrow lives. Whilst our race may be engaged in the ruthless destruction and pillaging of our planet's resources, this is done from choice, as alternatives allow for us all, of whatever fitness, to be nourished and to prosper. We exclude at our peril and would be much the poorer for it.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

It's not about 'I'm alright Jack' it's about what's good for the population as a whole. Strengthening the gene pool.

I'd probably be dead if I caught it but that means eradicating my genes is a good thing.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status.

I think you may have missed my point that it's largely been oyr species' fitness of intelligence, that has supported our survival for a long time now.

A eugenicists approach is somewhat at odds with a credible humanitarian approach.

Just because you are old and weak doesnt mean you have no value to society.

What about wisdom..memories..knowledge.

Or perhaps we should live ina logans run type of society,?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status.

I think you may have missed my point that it's largely been oyr species' fitness of intelligence, that has supported our survival for a long time now.

A eugenicists approach is somewhat at odds with a credible humanitarian approach.

Spot on.

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By *ensual -lover69Man
over a year ago

Blackburn

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish"

Personally I think all lives matter, appart from sex offenders that is, the BLM brigade are being racist and bigoted to say only black lives matter

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

What about couples who were told about the dangers of pregnancy and went on to give birth to kids who led rewarding lives?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

Personally I think all lives matter, appart from sex offenders that is, the BLM brigade are being racist and bigoted to say only black lives matter"

Its mad how you can shoehorn a completely irrelevant topic into a thread, that has completely nothing to do with it.

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over a year ago

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

Personally I think all lives matter, appart from sex offenders that is, the BLM brigade are being racist and bigoted to say only black lives matter

Its mad how you can shoehorn a completely irrelevant topic into a thread, that has completely nothing to do with it."

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By *ensual -lover69Man
over a year ago

Blackburn

Why is my comment irellevent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is my comment irellevent"

Totally off subject

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

"What about couples who were told about the dangers of pregnancy and went on to give birth to kids who led rewarding lives?"

People are fully able to make the decision to go ahead knowing the dangers. I’ve at no point said that people should not be able to take the risks, because the risk may not come to be. What I’m saying is science has made it now that we are able to keep alive for an amount of time those that really have no future or quality of life. People have to weigh the risks on many decisions every day - you win some you loose some.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

Personally I think all lives matter, appart from sex offenders that is, the BLM brigade are being racist and bigoted to say only black lives matter"

I think you have completely missed the point that the Black Lives Matter movement has been making. That you have, lends greater importance for it having and continuing to be, needed. I suggest that you study the drivers behind that campaign which is, of course, completely separate from the issues around how we are collectively stronger acknowledging the value of all, even if there is a theme of some who prefer the status quo or like how some things used to be that are rightly now viewed as atrocious.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Sometimes our wisdom lets us know when to stop digging

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Why is my comment irellevent"

Where is the connection between protecting vulnerable members of society and a civil rights protest group?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"What about couples who were told about the dangers of pregnancy and went on to give birth to kids who led rewarding lives?

You dont know They have no quality of life..you are talking in extreme example.

What about people with down syndrome?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Several of my friends have had children who according to you should have been put down like sheep. Yes they were very severely disabled but their parents loved them very much and they bought joy to people around them. My friends daughter was as you describe and the world is a sadder place without her. You can learn so much from these special children. But you are too ignorant to learn anything from anyone I fear.

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over a year ago

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

Personally I think all lives matter, appart from sex offenders that is, the BLM brigade are being racist and bigoted to say only black lives matter"

They are not saying only black lives matter at all. They are making legitimate points as any group of people could.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status.

Okay - first of all, as a parent of a disabled child I just need to let this out....

Fucking hell!!!!

Okay. Now I’ve got that off my chest!! My son was incredibly ill when he was very young. But he’s a strong lad and he pulled through. He still has many problems, but looking at him now and the joy he has and brings to others- I’ve got nothing but love for him. He could have easily died- he spent a week in ICU and we didn’t think he would make it out of there alive. The whole point of modern medicine is to save lives. Just because YOU think these children are worthless doesn’t mean they are.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"Nope, I fully subscribe to the survival of the fittest ethos.

We should be using our fitness to eradicate this as a problem for everyone globally, whatever their personal abilities and status.

excuse me

but if you think a person choose that way out of selfishness i can assure you now its not.

and its rather arrogant of you to say it in those terms

its a full time job and alot of care to be under taken

I also know that sometimes it can be the medical side of it that can actually cause it in the first place

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"What about couples who were told about the dangers of pregnancy and went on to give birth to kids who led rewarding lives?

But in this case you lose your child.

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By *ensual -lover69Man
over a year ago

Blackburn

"Why is my comment irellevent

Where is the connection between protecting vulnerable members of society and a civil rights protest group?"

My point is ALL LIVES MATTER, meaning ALL and the BLM brigade are trying to overuse the race card to get away with looting and damaging stuff, but the bottom line is we should be more emphatic with other people no matter what their race/sexuality/gender, being different should not be a reason to abuse someone

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

"What about couples who were told about the dangers of pregnancy and went on to give birth to kids who led rewarding lives?

But in this case you lose your child. "

Yep but you go in to it know the risks you’ve gotta be prepared for the outcome ..

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"What about couples who were told about the dangers of pregnancy and went on to give birth to kids who led rewarding lives?

But in this case you lose your child.

Yep but you go in to it know the risks you’ve gotta be prepared for the outcome .. "

Of course. But it’s not so blase a choice as “some you win some you lose” is it? When you are deciding on the life of your own child?

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

"What about couples who were told about the dangers of pregnancy and went on to give birth to kids who led rewarding lives?

But in this case you lose your child.

Yep but you go in to it know the risks you’ve gotta be prepared for the outcome ..

Of course. But it’s not so blase a choice as “some you win some you lose” is it? When you are deciding on the life of your own child? "

It was for us we went in knowing the risks, lost the odds made the decision and the follow up decision to not take the risk again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes our wisdom lets us know when to stop digging "

I think that was missed

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"What about couples who were told about the dangers of pregnancy and went on to give birth to kids who led rewarding lives?

But in this case you lose your child.

Yep but you go in to it know the risks you’ve gotta be prepared for the outcome ..

Of course. But it’s not so blase a choice as “some you win some you lose” is it? When you are deciding on the life of your own child?

It was for us we went in knowing the risks, lost the odds made the decision and the follow up decision to not take the risk again. "

So you knew you would potentially create a baby that would have some sort of disability, then decided you would rather not have the baby with that disability and had the pregnancy terminated. Is that correct?

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

Once we were told that was going to be the case yes

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Once we were told that was going to be the case yes"

You said you knew what you were getting into- did you know there was potential for the baby to be born with disability before you tried for one?

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

Told there was a chance yes.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Told there was a chance yes. "

I see.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Why is my comment irellevent

Where is the connection between protecting vulnerable members of society and a civil rights protest group?

Has anyone actually said.. white lives dont matter?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Why is my comment irellevent

Where is the connection between protecting vulnerable members of society and a civil rights protest group?

Has anyone actually said.. white lives dont matter?"

Great post all lives matter

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By *wosWoman
over a year ago

east london

I know my block list has really grown..

Still shielding, as new chemo starting soon

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By *upergirthukMan
over a year ago

Liverpool UK

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The shielders matter equally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? "

No they have not.

I personally know 8 shielders and none of them have had this.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? "
that's rubbish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? that's rubbish "

Total scare mongery.

I'm not saying no shielder has a DNR but simply being in that group doesn't mean you automatically have one placed on your records.

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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

The virus is utter BS......

A Cover up fact!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The virus is utter BS......

A Cover up fact!!"

You do like a conspiracy theory.

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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

"The virus is utter BS......

A Cover up fact!!

You do like a conspiracy theory. "

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

"The virus is utter BS......

A Cover up fact!!

You do like a conspiracy theory. "
until it gets too close to home no doubt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

DNACPR can be put in situ by medical staff without family agreement,if deemed not to be of benefit to the person, the odds of resuscitation are 6%, if cardiac arrest happens. If the person is long term disease and will not benefit from CPR and would leave them with further life limiting conditions such as hypoxic brain injury and less quality than before this decision could be taken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"DNACPR can be put in situ by medical staff without family agreement,if deemed not to be of benefit to the person, the odds of resuscitation are 6%, if cardiac arrest happens. If the person is long term disease and will not benefit from CPR and would leave them with further life limiting conditions such as hypoxic brain injury and less quality than before this decision could be taken. "

Yes thats obvious but the person who has this would be very unwell or have terminal illness.

Most shilders do not come under this category.

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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

The mask wearers walking in the street are brain washed another fact.

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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

"The virus is utter BS......

A Cover up fact!!

You do like a conspiracy theory. until it gets too close to home no doubt "
I am guessing you will be having a flu jab ,did you receive your letter ?

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By *wosWoman
over a year ago

east london

"The mask wearers walking in the street are brain washed another fact."

I just forget I've got it on by the time I've walked past all the people hanging around outside hospital...get to the corner and think about it , and leave it on till I've got past the queue blocking the pavement by the post office...

And it keeps my nose warm

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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish"
It's a cull mate fact Genocide on the vulnerable, a depopulation exercise...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The mask wearers walking in the street are brain washed another fact."

You are very funny.

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By *ounty durham bbw coupleCouple
over a year ago

darlington

Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

And block .... vile.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"I know my block list has really grown..

Still shielding, as new chemo starting soon

Mine too - I wish you lots of luck xx

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on "

See now this is the issues I have it’s not about ‘not living your lives’ what is WAS about was people making changes to their lives for a short time. People were too selfish - meets happening here the whole time. People bleating on about deserving a Holiday, trying to work out ways around the guidance, putting shop workers in horrible confrontational positions due to not wearing masks. All of these hugely selfish acts means the numbers aren’t going down which means the more vulnerable will suffer. We needed a proper hard severe lockdown early March and this would have been over. Thanks to a useless government and overly self centred population we are in an awful limbo and will be for the foreseeable. Children are rhe next experimental strategy. If you are severely vulnerable and don’t send your child to go to school you get fined from next week. Just an awful place for society to be.

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over a year ago

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

Very well put.

A society should be judged on how it treats the most vulnerable.

Yes shielding people and the elderly should take precautions but they are also reliant on everyone else doing the same.

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over a year ago

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

I will add the while the government have said parents should be fined, schools know their families and im certain most will use common sense.

I know mine is doing a one month "grace" period.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? "

Apparently not.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person?

No they have not.

I personally know 8 shielders and none of them have had this. "

My son had no health reason to shield. That’s why I vigorously queried and argued his “stay at home letter” with his GP. As I’ve said above- the reason he was told he was vulnerable was NOT because he had underlying health conditions relevant to the disease. But BECAUSE of his existing disabilities.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? that's rubbish

Total scare mongery.

I'm not saying no shielder has a DNR but simply being in that group doesn't mean you automatically have one placed on your records. "

So despite the fact that at least two of us in this thread alone have stated, as fact, what we have experienced- your opinion overrides it because you say so? Okay then. Thank you for your valuable contribution. I’m going to stick with the facts as I know them thank you, and I have the paperwork from the NHS to back me up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? that's rubbish

Total scare mongery.

I'm not saying no shielder has a DNR but simply being in that group doesn't mean you automatically have one placed on your records.

Shielding does not automatically give you a DNR.

My son and I were both shielding; we didn't have a DNR and I know many like me in the same position. Shielding means we were vulnerable to the virus, not that we're at death's door. We have an otherwise healthy, active lifestyle that does not prevent us working, going to school, taking part in sport, etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? that's rubbish

Total scare mongery.

I'm not saying no shielder has a DNR but simply being in that group doesn't mean you automatically have one placed on your records.

I live with a shielder, my sister is a shielder, 4 members of my church are shielders, my aunt is a shielder and a Colleague none of these have had this.

So yes im absolutely saying that the vast majority of shielders do not have DNR's.

Please stop saying that your experience is the same for everyone.

Being the shielding group does not you have an automatic DNR.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? that's rubbish

Total scare mongery.

I'm not saying no shielder has a DNR but simply being in that group doesn't mean you automatically have one placed on your records.

Shielding does not automatically give you a DNR.

Exactly this.

People seem to think being Clinically vulnerable means being in the shielding group means you are at deaths door.

None of the people i know that were shielding are terminal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? that's rubbish

Total scare mongery.

I'm not saying no shielder has a DNR but simply being in that group doesn't mean you automatically have one placed on your records.

There is no need for aggressive tone.

You may well have a letter relating to your son and sorry for that but there is no blanket DNR for shilders.

Yes some people in that group may have one but it does not apply to the majority.

So please stop implying that it does.

Yes 2 people on the this thread have this experience but several others who are in that group or have relatives who are dont have this.

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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

It's the truth this is Plandemic for the agenda

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...alot of companies in my opinion let down elderly during covid..even nhs..demanding they travel miles to an appt when elderly and suffering breathing problems..they was put at risk for a doctors appt.

And they have a mental illness too.

So vunerable lives matter and need electricity on the shitty key pay as you go they give the elderly! Piss take.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on "

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

The elderly and vulnerable are always in my thoughts first. For one day I could be one of them, indeed all of us will be one day.

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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

Need to get the civil servants etc out on the front line and stop hiding behind the sceend well the tekno ratz are ruling for now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

Thats the whole point vunerable people cannot protect themselves and the elderly need protecting do you not get that?..vulnerable means vulnerable at risk. What a joke to say they need to raise they are vulnerable..they cant understand whats going on. U biscuit short of a tin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

Hang on a minute.

Just because someone is vulnerable to the virus does not mean they can't speak up for themselves.

The vast majority of the shielding group lead, active lives.

It is however a cop out to say that those who are Clinically vulnerable need to take precautions, its every ones responsibly.

People need to stop being selfish and look out for everyone.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible. "

Oh dont worry I know MY responsibilities, but yes I also also know the risks I AM prepared to take just like some on here do too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible.

Oh dont worry I know MY responsibilities, but yes I also also know the risks I AM prepared to take just like some on here do too

But the risks you take effect others, just because others are doing it doesn't make it ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there are some shocking attitudes on here.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible.

Oh dont worry I know MY responsibilities, but yes I also also know the risks I AM prepared to take just like some on here do too

But the risks you take effect others, just because others are doing it doesn't make it ok."

Others can do what they want, not being dictated to, but take the responsibility I feel I need to take with others around me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible.

Oh dont worry I know MY responsibilities, but yes I also also know the risks I AM prepared to take just like some on here do too

But the risks you take effect others, just because others are doing it doesn't make it ok.

Others can do what they want, not being dictated to, but take the responsibility I feel I need to take with others around me...

Oh dear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are people actually still staying in?

I've only had 3 weeks off at the beginning of lockdown. 2 weeks with Covid while of and the third was my last of my 3 weeks furlough.

I still went to the shops as I had to eat, trained as I am training now, saw my kids.

I only gave one person covid that I know of. Am I bad? Probably. Don't give a fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are people actually still staying in?

I've only had 3 weeks off at the beginning of lockdown. 2 weeks with Covid while of and the third was my last of my 3 weeks furlough.

I still went to the shops as I had to eat, trained as I am training now, saw my kids.

I only gave one person covid that I know of. Am I bad? Probably. Don't give a fuck"

Wow!

This thread is proving to be a great filter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah very rude disgusting attitudes about vunreable raising concerns themselfs..what a laughing joke.

Short of a biscuit is a very known joke about being thick In England.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah very rude disgusting attitudes about vunreable raising concerns themselfs..what a laughing joke.

Short of a biscuit is a very known joke about being thick In England.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Yeah very rude disgusting attitudes about vunreable raising concerns themselfs..what a laughing joke.

Short of a biscuit is a very known joke about being thick In England.

Was asking what a U biscuit was, if you can read the post correctly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah very rude disgusting attitudes about vunreable raising concerns themselfs..what a laughing joke.

Short of a biscuit is a very known joke about being thick In England.

Was asking what a U biscuit was, if you can read the post correctly

Why are you being so rude?

No need to question someone's ability to read.

If you read his response you will clearly see he answered you.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible.

Oh dont worry I know MY responsibilities, but yes I also also know the risks I AM prepared to take just like some on here do too

But the risks you take effect others, just because others are doing it doesn't make it ok.

Others can do what they want, not being dictated to, but take the responsibility I feel I need to take with others around me...

Oh dear.

You just worry about what your doing, I'm fine thanks.....you dont know me, many on here state they are doing the right thing, but I imagine at least somebody who they know are not....maybe they are the ones you need to be wary about....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible.

Oh dont worry I know MY responsibilities, but yes I also also know the risks I AM prepared to take just like some on here do too

But the risks you take effect others, just because others are doing it doesn't make it ok.

Others can do what they want, not being dictated to, but take the responsibility I feel I need to take with others around me...

Oh dear.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Yeah very rude disgusting attitudes about vunreable raising concerns themselfs..what a laughing joke.

Short of a biscuit is a very known joke about being thick In England.

Yes I have heard that saying, but not a U biscuit, but from reading the rest that was posted, it seems English is not their first language , but makes a great filter for us all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

I dont know you and definately dont want to..you are the reason men commit crimes.

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible.

Oh dont worry I know MY responsibilities, but yes I also also know the risks I AM prepared to take just like some on here do too

But the risks you take effect others, just because others are doing it doesn't make it ok.

Others can do what they want, not being dictated to, but take the responsibility I feel I need to take with others around me...

Oh dear.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

I dont know you and definately dont want to..you are the reason men commit crimes.

Pmsl...really

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible.

Oh dont worry I know MY responsibilities, but yes I also also know the risks I AM prepared to take just like some on here do too

But the risks you take effect others, just because others are doing it doesn't make it ok.

Others can do what they want, not being dictated to, but take the responsibility I feel I need to take with others around me...

Oh dear.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Yeah very rude disgusting attitudes about vunreable raising concerns themselfs..what a laughing joke.

Short of a biscuit is a very known joke about being thick In England.

Was asking what a U biscuit was, if you can read the post correctly

Why are you being so rude?

No need to question someone's ability to read.

If you read his response you will clearly see he answered you."

Maybe he meant you...not u......guess its lazy spelling

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Are people actually still staying in?

I've only had 3 weeks off at the beginning of lockdown. 2 weeks with Covid while of and the third was my last of my 3 weeks furlough.

I still went to the shops as I had to eat, trained as I am training now, saw my kids.

I only gave one person covid that I know of. Am I bad? Probably. Don't give a fuck"

Wow and iv just read your status.

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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

The vulnerable are the champions and will keep fighting to the end not a bed of roses and will keep fighting not like the snow flakes the spineless ...

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"The vulnerable are the champions and will keep fighting to the end not a bed of roses and will keep fighting not like the snow flakes the spineless ..."

Are you vulnerable?

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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

"The vulnerable are the champions and will keep fighting to the end not a bed of roses and will keep fighting not like the snow flakes the spineless ...

Are you vulnerable?"

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By *ensual -lover69Man
over a year ago

Blackburn

"Why is my comment irellevent

Where is the connection between protecting vulnerable members of society and a civil rights protest group?

Has anyone actually said.. white lives dont matter?"

I'm taking the chance to broach it

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Obviously yes

But alot people on here seem to think no im alright Jack approach

Which are you?

Im alright Jack approach is morally wrong i believe and selfish

I had read that via the obscure channels not via the media side of it.

Didnt agree with it as everyone has the right to the right to care and comfort whilst the virus is around

They certainly didn’t want to advertise it!! I wonder how and when the DNR order will be taken off my boys medical records, if and when this nightmare is over.

Have the government placed DNRs on everyone they sent a letter to saying they were extremely vulnerable and dont they need the permission to do that from thr person? that's rubbish

Total scare mongery.

I'm not saying no shielder has a DNR but simply being in that group doesn't mean you automatically have one placed on your records.

I live with a shielder, my sister is a shielder, 4 members of my church are shielders, my aunt is a shielder and a Colleague none of these have had this.

So yes im absolutely saying that the vast majority of shielders do not have DNR's.

Please stop saying that your experience is the same for everyone.

Being the shielding group does not you have an automatic DNR. "

I don’t recall ever saying it did. Your earlier posts seem to suggest I was suggesting that... I’ve just gone through the entire thread, and the only person arguing about shielders is you. I never said my son was shielding - even when we got the letter I decided that he wouldn’t, as he has no health conditions relating to the virus. That was before I found out that the reason he was told to shield was because of the DNR order, mind you!!

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Can't expect everyone to live their lives around the vulnerable at risk People its down to those at risk People to take the extra precautions necessary to protect themselves life has to go on

They can take precautions, as we all have to in many different ways...not sure what a....U biscuit is though.....is it a local to you delicacy

As should everyone.

You are just as responsible.

Oh dont worry I know MY responsibilities, but yes I also also know the risks I AM prepared to take just like some on here do too

But the risks you take effect others, just because others are doing it doesn't make it ok.

Others can do what they want, not being dictated to, but take the responsibility I feel I need to take with others around me...

Oh dear.

You are dumb un educated troll fckup . In my opinion..what is wrong with you? Oh u blocked me..before I could tell u this..your a troll..what a sad human being..Troll. its lower than human

I hope u dont any sex for 10 years trollop

That's enough."

This thread has gone off on a pretty wild tangent since it started!! I think I’m going to step away and let you lot duke it out for now!!!

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