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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health " What about March and April. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health What about March and April." talking about week in August who mentioned March and April ?? | |||
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"And your point is?? Let me guess, it's all a conspiracy! "no I conspiracy actually believe those figures of Department of health | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health " thought flu was supposed to mainly occur in the winter months. | |||
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"Do they also no longer count the numbers if people die after 28 days with pneumonia and flu,it all seems very convenient for the goverment." I was thinking the same. Be interesting to see the pneumonia deaths this summer eh | |||
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"Do they also no longer count the numbers if people die after 28 days with pneumonia and flu,it all seems very convenient for the goverment."  | |||
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"Do they also no longer count the numbers if people die after 28 days with pneumonia and flu,it all seems very convenient for the goverment. "Stop it ffs  | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health " Have you got a link for this please ? | |||
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"It’s amazing how all of a sudden everyone seems to care about death figures. When did anyone care before apart from the odd newspaper headline every winter." I dont know...I also dont know why I'm on a virus thread...do you? | |||
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"Do they also no longer count the numbers if people die after 28 days with pneumonia and flu,it all seems very convenient for the goverment.
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4%" If you count really sick people on ventilators you get a much higher number, more like 100% .... quick stay home control the virus , don’t do a Boris and shake hands with dead people | |||
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"It’s amazing how all of a sudden everyone seems to care about death figures. When did anyone care before apart from the odd newspaper headline every winter. I dont know...I also dont know why I'm on a virus thread...do you?" It’s almost like death figures now can be used to provide some ammunition to back up people’s bias. Including figures for diseases no one bothered about before. | |||
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"It’s amazing how all of a sudden everyone seems to care about death figures. When did anyone care before apart from the odd newspaper headline every winter. I dont know...I also dont know why I'm on a virus thread...do you? It’s almost like death figures now can be used to provide some ammunition to back up people’s bias. Including figures for diseases no one bothered about before." That’s the problem with stats you can use them to tell any story. Radio 4 used to do an interesting stat check exposing how headlines often are the opposite to the data they source | |||
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"What about smoking related.. Or alcohol.. Malaria.. Mortality rate in some countries due to shitty water and a lack of affordable medication.. Or anything else people will trawl up to somehow divert from this virus.. Genuine question, is it just some in the swinging community who appear to be so selfish and desperate to ignore the reality? " To be fair to the swinging community the vast majority don’t come on these forums. It’s the same names day after day. | |||
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"It’s amazing how all of a sudden everyone seems to care about death figures. When did anyone care before apart from the odd newspaper headline every winter. I dont know...I also dont know why I'm on a virus thread...do you? It’s almost like death figures now can be used to provide some ammunition to back up people’s bias. Including figures for diseases no one bothered about before." It's not about ammunition when we are living through a pandemic. Its here to support people who are concerned about this and the way it has been managed. So yeah I wonder why people are on a virus forum and seem not to be bothered about it. | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4%" Flu should be less prevalent due to immunity build up. | |||
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"What about smoking related.. Or alcohol.. Malaria.. Mortality rate in some countries due to shitty water and a lack of affordable medication.. Or anything else people will trawl up to somehow divert from this virus.. Genuine question, is it just some in the swinging community who appear to be so selfish and desperate to ignore the reality? To be fair to the swinging community the vast majority don’t come on these forums. It’s the same names day after day." Fair point.. | |||
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"It’s amazing how all of a sudden everyone seems to care about death figures. When did anyone care before apart from the odd newspaper headline every winter. I dont know...I also dont know why I'm on a virus thread...do you? It’s almost like death figures now can be used to provide some ammunition to back up people’s bias. Including figures for diseases no one bothered about before. It's not about ammunition when we are living through a pandemic. Its here to support people who are concerned about this and the way it has been managed. So yeah I wonder why people are on a virus forum and seem not to be bothered about it." I’m referring to both sides so don’t worry I’m not down playing the situation. However if you think comparing different death figures is reassuring people and offering support I’ll leave you with it. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health thought flu was supposed to mainly occur in the winter months." It does and if people posting such pointless facts understood them then they might refrain from posting. The OP makes it read as though load of people are dying of flu, however, the latest PHE National Influenza Report (which is produced fortnightly when flu activity is low - the latest covers 2 week period until 6th August) shows little flu activity. Quote: "RSV positivity remained low at 0.0% in week 31. Rhinovirus positivity remained low but increased slightly at 4.8% in week 31. Adenovirus positivity remained low at 2.2% in week 31. Parainfluenza positivity remained low at 0.0% in week 31. Human metapneumovirus (hMPV) positivity remained low at 0.0% in week 31 2020." So, if there isn't any flu, that would suggest those deaths are actually pneumonia. So, what is pneumonia? Quote from NHS: "Pneumonia is swelling (inflammation) of the tissue in one or both lungs. It's usually caused by a bacterial infection. It can also be caused by a virus, such as coronavirus (COVID-19)." Interesting. So, some of those pneumonia deaths could actually be caused covid-19? Perhaps some double counting where a death has been recorded with both pneumonia and covid-19 mentioned on death certificate? There are many causes of pneumonia. As mentioned bacterial and viral (bacteria and viruses) but also Aspiration pneumonia which is pneumonia caused by food going down the wrong way, or inhaling vomit, a foreign object or harmful substance. So, perhaps the OP needs to really understand what they're posting.... | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health " Proving that lockdown is effective. | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4% Flu should be less prevalent due to immunity build up. " Incorrect. Immunity doesn't just mean you can't catch something. It means your body can fight it. There are different types of immunity. | |||
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"There were no road deaths yesterday,speed limits should be abolished immediately." Like the analogy.... Maybe we should all get in our cars and drive really close to each other.... Now its been proven its safe and all that... (disclaimer please don't try this at home) | |||
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"There were no road deaths yesterday,speed limits should be abolished immediately. Like the analogy.... Maybe we should all get in our cars and drive really close to each other.... Now its been proven its safe and all that... (disclaimer please don't try this at home) " The fact that announcing poor Covid-19 results in panic in the population, damage to trade and tourism and ammunition for your political enemies.... is probably the reason why Covid-19 stats have gone down worldwide. | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4% Flu should be less prevalent due to immunity build up. Incorrect. Immunity doesn't just mean you can't catch something. It means your body can fight it. There are different types of immunity." Prevalent means widespread occurrence. Right now cv19 IS more prevalent than the flu. As for immunity, tell me about it | |||
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"Check out agenda21 revised down from agenda 30 and do your homework peeps it will open your eyes " When ever a conspiracy is discussed and the words "open your eyes" are used, you knows its nonsense. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Have you got a link for this please ?" Official ONS figures | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Have you got a link for this please ? Official ONS figures" Great. So how many of those deaths were flu? | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Have you got a link for this please ? Official ONS figures Great. So how many of those deaths were flu?" It's lies | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Have you got a link for this please ? Official ONS figures" I tried that but couldn't find the info about the 1013 cases, so was asking which link I should be looking at instead | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Have you got a link for this please ? Official ONS figures I tried that but couldn't find the info about the 1013 cases, so was asking which link I should be looking at instead" Was on Mail online and they quoted Department of Health figures | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Have you got a link for this please ? Official ONS figures I tried that but couldn't find the info about the 1013 cases, so was asking which link I should be looking at instead Was on Mail online and they quoted Department of Health figures " Quoted from the DOH "In week 31 2020, out of the 211 respiratory specimens reported through the Respiratory DataMart System, no sample tested positive for influenza." Am I looking in the wrong place? | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Have you got a link for this please ? Official ONS figures I tried that but couldn't find the info about the 1013 cases, so was asking which link I should be looking at instead Was on Mail online and they quoted Department of Health figures Quoted from the DOH "In week 31 2020, out of the 211 respiratory specimens reported through the Respiratory DataMart System, no sample tested positive for influenza." Am I looking in the wrong place? " Exactly. There were no flu deaths. The quoted figures combine both so 1013 pneumonia deaths and 0 flu deaths. | |||
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"What about smoking related.. Or alcohol.. Malaria.. Mortality rate in some countries due to shitty water and a lack of affordable medication.. Or anything else people will trawl up to somehow divert from this virus.. Genuine question, is it just some in the swinging community who appear to be so selfish and desperate to ignore the reality? To be fair to the swinging community the vast majority don’t come on these forums. It’s the same names day after day." | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4%" 3.4% death rate against confirmed cases. That doesn’t include the estimated 3 million of unconfirmed cases - bringing the rate down to 0.9% (according to the Imperial College London). | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4% 3.4% death rate against confirmed cases. That doesn’t include the estimated 3 million of unconfirmed cases - bringing the rate down to 0.9% (according to the Imperial College London)." The flu vaccine uptake rates in key eligible groups last season were: adults aged 65 or older: 72.0% adults in at-risk groups: 48.0% pregnant women: 45.2% children aged 2: 43.8% children aged 3: 45.9% Nobody is vaccinated against covid | |||
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"In a recent meeting in madrid in between doctors from all over europe. I think it was in june all agreed that it is not a pandemic but rather political. I agree with them, do you? I also reckon that they are using china as an scapegoat too." The majority of the Madrid Medical Conferences have been cancelled this year, and Spain was still in phase 2 lockdown in early June, I think phase 3 came in around the 10th of June. So not sure which meeting you're talking about. | |||
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"In a recent meeting in madrid in between doctors from all over europe. I think it was in june all agreed that it is not a pandemic but rather political. I agree with them, do you? I also reckon that they are using china as an scapegoat too. The majority of the Madrid Medical Conferences have been cancelled this year, and Spain was still in phase 2 lockdown in early June, I think phase 3 came in around the 10th of June. So not sure which meeting you're talking about." I said wrong. I meant it was in july and the conference was called doctors for truth. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health " 'Flu deaths in England 2014-2018, Deaths attributed to the' flu have varied between 11,875 and 28,330 per winter season. Two years ago when John had his heart attack caused by flu it also killed 3 of our friends, deaths that year were so high our crematorium in Tendering was backed up for 3 months yet nothing was done about that killer flu bug like it has with Covid. Flu kills 2 million worldwide every year and governments do nothing about that yet create havoc when Covid 19 a engineered bug which coincidentally was patented by the US 5 years ago when Obama was president. We have been hit repeatedly by Avian flu Swine flu and probably loads of other serious killers flu's, Spanish flu killed millions & to this day is still the biggest killer of all time. What joker said flu isn't as serious... | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health 'Flu deaths in England 2014-2018, Deaths attributed to the' flu have varied between 11,875 and 28,330 per winter season. Two years ago when John had his heart attack caused by flu it also killed 3 of our friends, deaths that year were so high our crematorium in Tendering was backed up for 3 months yet nothing was done about that killer flu bug like it has with Covid. Flu kills 2 million worldwide every year and governments do nothing about that yet create havoc when Covid 19 a engineered bug which coincidentally was patented by the US 5 years ago when Obama was president. We have been hit repeatedly by Avian flu Swine flu and probably loads of other serious killers flu's, Spanish flu killed millions & to this day is still the biggest killer of all time. What joker said flu isn't as serious... " PHE estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 1,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu | |||
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"I notice that article differentiates between dying with and from with regards to the covid figures but fails to do so with the Flu figures." Doctors are told by the government to mark all deaths as Covid, health workers in care homes are signing death certificates totally illegal but as it suits the governments covid figures it's overlooked. It's amazing they can get Covid deaths recorded as cause of death yet strange they haven't got a clue about flu deaths, some reports are saying we are only 400 deaths up on last year which in a country of almost 70 million that's about average. | |||
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"I notice that article differentiates between dying with and from with regards to the covid figures but fails to do so with the Flu figures. Doctors are told by the government to mark all deaths as Covid, health workers in care homes are signing death certificates totally illegal but as it suits the governments covid figures it's overlooked. It's amazing they can get Covid deaths recorded as cause of death yet strange they haven't got a clue about flu deaths, some reports are saying we are only 400 deaths up on last year which in a country of almost 70 million that's about average." If you believe what you just wrote it's pointless going any further. | |||
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"I notice that article differentiates between dying with and from with regards to the covid figures but fails to do so with the Flu figures. Doctors are told by the government to mark all deaths as Covid, health workers in care homes are signing death certificates totally illegal but as it suits the governments covid figures it's overlooked. It's amazing they can get Covid deaths recorded as cause of death yet strange they haven't got a clue about flu deaths, some reports are saying we are only 400 deaths up on last year which in a country of almost 70 million that's about average." Why are the gmnt artificially making the figures look worse than they are? | |||
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"I notice that article differentiates between dying with and from with regards to the covid figures but fails to do so with the Flu figures. Doctors are told by the government to mark all deaths as Covid, health workers in care homes are signing death certificates totally illegal but as it suits the governments covid figures it's overlooked. It's amazing they can get Covid deaths recorded as cause of death yet strange they haven't got a clue about flu deaths, some reports are saying we are only 400 deaths up on last year which in a country of almost 70 million that's about average. Why are the gmnt artificially making the figures look worse than they are?" To make them look like they have done a bad job. Obvious aint it. | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4% 3.4% death rate against confirmed cases. That doesn’t include the estimated 3 million of unconfirmed cases - bringing the rate down to 0.9% (according to the Imperial College London)." Another 3 million confirmed cases wouldn't bring the death rate down to 0.9%. Current closed cases on Worldometers have it at 5% and it nearing top of 4% as more active cases are resolved. The rate would be around 3% when estimates for unconfirmed cases are add. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health 'Flu deaths in England 2014-2018, Deaths attributed to the' flu have varied between 11,875 and 28,330 per winter season. Two years ago when John had his heart attack caused by flu it also killed 3 of our friends, deaths that year were so high our crematorium in Tendering was backed up for 3 months yet nothing was done about that killer flu bug like it has with Covid. Flu kills 2 million worldwide every year and governments do nothing about that yet create havoc when Covid 19 a engineered bug which coincidentally was patented by the US 5 years ago when Obama was president. We have been hit repeatedly by Avian flu Swine flu and probably loads of other serious killers flu's, Spanish flu killed millions & to this day is still the biggest killer of all time. What joker said flu isn't as serious... " Yes flu kills alot more, also a real pandemic is when 7% of the world population is effected. | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4% 3.4% death rate against confirmed cases. That doesn’t include the estimated 3 million of unconfirmed cases - bringing the rate down to 0.9% (according to the Imperial College London). Another 3 million confirmed cases wouldn't bring the death rate down to 0.9%. Current closed cases on Worldometers have it at 5% and it nearing top of 4% as more active cases are resolved. The rate would be around 3% when estimates for unconfirmed cases are add." Was just quoting their recent paper (bearing in mind it is their guidance the government finally followed to implement lockdown). You best give the world-class experts at the Imperial College a ring and tell them they’ve got it wrong. | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4% 3.4% death rate against confirmed cases. That doesn’t include the estimated 3 million of unconfirmed cases - bringing the rate down to 0.9% (according to the Imperial College London). Another 3 million confirmed cases wouldn't bring the death rate down to 0.9%. Current closed cases on Worldometers have it at 5% and it nearing top of 4% as more active cases are resolved. The rate would be around 3% when estimates for unconfirmed cases are add. Was just quoting their recent paper (bearing in mind it is their guidance the government finally followed to implement lockdown). You best give the world-class experts at the Imperial College a ring and tell them they’ve got it wrong. " All disagreements put to one side at least the government might now take flu more seriously and actually take note who as died from it like they have with Covid. | |||
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) it as if the world is creating some kind animosity towards China for some reason (*cough south China sea cough* Indian/ Chinese border * cough) ..... oh...erm what was the question again? ... wait this isnt Facebo0k?.. fuck? Anyone? | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4% 3.4% death rate against confirmed cases. That doesn’t include the estimated 3 million of unconfirmed cases - bringing the rate down to 0.9% (according to the Imperial College London). Another 3 million confirmed cases wouldn't bring the death rate down to 0.9%. Current closed cases on Worldometers have it at 5% and it nearing top of 4% as more active cases are resolved. The rate would be around 3% when estimates for unconfirmed cases are add. Was just quoting their recent paper (bearing in mind it is their guidance the government finally followed to implement lockdown). You best give the world-class experts at the Imperial College a ring and tell them they’ve got it wrong. All disagreements put to one side at least the government might now take flu more seriously and actually take note who as died from it like they have with Covid. " Worst Flu Pandemics of the past The Spanish influenza (1918–1919) The Spanish influenza pandemic, which stands as the single most fatal event in human history, killed an estimated 50 million people or more globally. ... The Asian influenza (1957–1958) ... The Hong Kong influenza (1968–1969) ... The 2009 swine-origin influenza. | |||
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"I kinda get what your saying. 14 covid daily deaths yesterday in the uk. You MUST wear face masks, you MUST not meet people outside your household (and more importantly not fuck them) daily uk deaths for cancer 450, heart attack/ disease again around 450. Well still sell you red meat and cigarettes though eh. Oooh deaths due to war ?? Still manufacturing weapons (and selling them to future potential enemies ) it as if the world is creating some kind animosity towards China for some reason (*cough south China sea cough* Indian/ Chinese border * cough) ..... oh...erm what was the question again? ... wait this isnt Facebo0k?.. fuck? Anyone?" | |||
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"The figures are correct but twisted to fit a narrative. Flu has been around a lot longer so is more prevalent with more people having built up immunity. Covid 19 less prevalent but more deadly due to lack of immunity. The figures need to be taken into consideration along side number of confirmed cases. Seasonal flu kills less than 1% of those infected. Covid 19 3.4% 3.4% death rate against confirmed cases. That doesn’t include the estimated 3 million of unconfirmed cases - bringing the rate down to 0.9% (according to the Imperial College London). Another 3 million confirmed cases wouldn't bring the death rate down to 0.9%. Current closed cases on Worldometers have it at 5% and it nearing top of 4% as more active cases are resolved. The rate would be around 3% when estimates for unconfirmed cases are add. Was just quoting their recent paper (bearing in mind it is their guidance the government finally followed to implement lockdown). You best give the world-class experts at the Imperial College a ring and tell them they’ve got it wrong. All disagreements put to one side at least the government might now take flu more seriously and actually take note who as died from it like they have with Covid. Worst Flu Pandemics of the past The Spanish influenza (1918–1919) The Spanish influenza pandemic, which stands as the single most fatal event in human history, killed an estimated 50 million people or more globally. ... The Asian influenza (1957–1958) ... The Hong Kong influenza (1968–1969) ... The 2009 swine-origin influenza. " The most significant difference with COVID is that it is not in the same family of the above viruses. These are influenzas , Coronavirus virus attacks many organs of the body. The long term effects on SARS 1 patients are well documented and if Covid follows the same pattern ( and we are already seeing evidence of ‘long haul Covid’ patients) it will effect literally thousands of people. | |||
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" Yes flu kills alot more, also a real pandemic is when 7% of the world population is effected." Can you imagine how many would have died of flu if there was no vaccine given to a lot of people. Covid doesn't have a vaccine so to slow those deaths down we had a lock down instead | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health thought flu was supposed to mainly occur in the winter months." Viruses are omnipresent. They are much more virulent in colder conditions, though, which accounts for why cases are typically much higher in winter months | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health thought flu was supposed to mainly occur in the winter months. Viruses are omnipresent. They are much more virulent in colder conditions, though, which accounts for why cases are typically much higher in winter months " Perhaps the relabelling of Covid-19 deaths as flu/pneumonia deaths accounts for not only the high flu deaths but also our reported negative death rate which went from -7.2 to 0.2 in the space of one day. Oooops. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health " Are they as contagious as Covid-19? Do they leave the same type of damage? | |||
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I must admit, it’s been a long time since I had (or saw anyone with) a common cold though. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Are they as contagious as Covid-19? Do they leave the same type of damage?" I don't know what posts about low Covid-19 figures are trying to suggest. Are they advocating the lifting of restrictions to get the death rate up? | |||
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I must admit, it’s been a long time since I had (or saw anyone with) a common cold though. "That's because everyone is too terrified to cough or sneeze in public. Difficult to tell if someone has a cold under their mask. I wouldn't be surprised however, if the increased use of hand sanititiser, the habit of hand-washing and social distancing don't have something to do with that. Bet you STD stats have taken a nose dive too | |||
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"I only come here for the light-hearted banter
I must admit, it’s been a long time since I had (or saw anyone with) a common cold though.
That's because everyone is too terrified to cough or sneeze in public. Difficult to tell if someone has a cold under their mask.
I wouldn't be surprised however, if the increased use of hand sanititiser, the habit of hand-washing and social distancing don't have something to do with that.
Bet you STD stats have taken a nose dive too "Every cloud, eh?  | |||
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"I only come here for the light-hearted banter
I must admit, it’s been a long time since I had (or saw anyone with) a common cold though.
That's because everyone is too terrified to cough or sneeze in public. Difficult to tell if someone has a cold under their mask.
I wouldn't be surprised however, if the increased use of hand sanititiser, the habit of hand-washing and social distancing don't have something to do with that.
Bet you STD stats have taken a nose dive too
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" Yes flu kills alot more, also a real pandemic is when 7% of the world population is effected. Can you imagine how many would have died of flu if there was no vaccine given to a lot of people. Covid doesn't have a vaccine so to slow those deaths down we had a lock down instead " That is also right. I meant 7% of a country not world wide, yes I could imagine that too, it also depends how good someones immune system is as well, the better it is, the milder symptoms they get of any type of flu. | |||
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"On Wednesday it rained. I used my umbrella. I did not get wet. This proves rain is not wet. 40 million people would have died worldwide without government intervention. Are the people who object to this intervention saying they would have preferred that 40 million people died than them not being able to go to the pub? In some countries there is no lockdown. No masks. No social distancing. Kids are at school. People are at work. Why? Because their governments did MORE. Not less. They are more free than ourselves because their government was more authoritarian. I'm not advocating authoritarianism. I'm advocating a society where people have enough common sense to do what's right without it being imposed on them." and Sweden? | |||
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"On Wednesday it rained. I used my umbrella. I did not get wet. This proves rain is not wet. 40 million people would have died worldwide without government intervention. Are the people who object to this intervention saying they would have preferred that 40 million people died than them not being able to go to the pub? In some countries there is no lockdown. No masks. No social distancing. Kids are at school. People are at work. Why? Because their governments did MORE. Not less. They are more free than ourselves because their government was more authoritarian. I'm not advocating authoritarianism. I'm advocating a society where people have enough common sense to do what's right without it being imposed on them. and Sweden?" A good example of a nation of people with good common sense. However in comparison with other Scandinavian countries Sweden has terrible record. Showing that whilst Nordic people for some reason or other seem to handle Covid-19 better than most they still benefit from government intervention. Sweden only compares well with countries outside the region. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Are they as contagious as Covid-19? Do they leave the same type of damage?" Yes heart damage is one of the biggest problems caused by flu, 2018 saw a massive increase in deaths from heart attack. People say flu deaths are not recorded...why? people were tested for flu in 1918 yet 100 years down the line our health system has got so bad flu deaths can now no longer be recorded which is strange or convenient. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Are they as contagious as Covid-19? Do they leave the same type of damage? Yes heart damage is one of the biggest problems caused by flu, 2018 saw a massive increase in deaths from heart attack. People say flu deaths are not recorded...why? people were tested for flu in 1918 yet 100 years down the line our health system has got so bad flu deaths can now no longer be recorded which is strange or convenient. " I'm not sure where you get the idea Flu deaths are not recorded. They don't publish a mortality rate because they don't know how many cases there are. How many sit at home with flu but never inform a doctor. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Are they as contagious as Covid-19? Do they leave the same type of damage? Yes heart damage is one of the biggest problems caused by flu, 2018 saw a massive increase in deaths from heart attack. People say flu deaths are not recorded...why? people were tested for flu in 1918 yet 100 years down the line our health system has got so bad flu deaths can now no longer be recorded which is strange or convenient. I'm not sure where you get the idea Flu deaths are not recorded. They don't publish a mortality rate because they don't know how many cases there are. How many sit at home with flu but never inform a doctor." According to the CDC, for the 2019/2020 flu season it "estimates": 39 000 000 to 56 000 000 flu illnesses. 18 000 000 to 26 000 000 flu medical visits. 410 000 to 740 000 hospitalisations. 24 000 to 62 000 flu deaths. Covid-19 has now claimed over 175 000 lives in the USA with 5.64 million cases and 50 000 new cases every day. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Are they as contagious as Covid-19? Do they leave the same type of damage? Yes heart damage is one of the biggest problems caused by flu, 2018 saw a massive increase in deaths from heart attack. People say flu deaths are not recorded...why? people were tested for flu in 1918 yet 100 years down the line our health system has got so bad flu deaths can now no longer be recorded which is strange or convenient. I'm not sure where you get the idea Flu deaths are not recorded. They don't publish a mortality rate because they don't know how many cases there are. How many sit at home with flu but never inform a doctor. According to the CDC, for the 2019/2020 flu season it "estimates": 39 000 000 to 56 000 000 flu illnesses. 18 000 000 to 26 000 000 flu medical visits. 410 000 to 740 000 hospitalisations. 24 000 to 62 000 flu deaths. Covid-19 has now claimed over 175 000 lives in the USA with 5.64 million cases and 50 000 new cases every day." While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations annually since 2010. This paragraph was taken from a US medical site, as well as the annual deaths it leaves crippling illnesses which can go on to kill victims years later, also unlike Covid flu it hits children harder. Deaths compared to flu are still fractional but admittedly are rising rapidly, the good thing is the world is now Covid aware which in the long run will also save flu victims. Doctors will now give patients a more thorough examination as flu/covid symptoms are very similar. | |||
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"A lot of people say they have flu when its just a slight cold ,real flu puts knocks you of your feet ,and puts you in bed for at least a week, ive nursed people with flu in hospital and some have died from it due to complications like diabetes, heart and lung problems, all these people who moan about have a slight cold ,get a flu jab it can save you life ,but dont if your allergic to eggs ,or have a temperature or a slight cold as it will make you feel crap ,i have it every year with no side effects..." John has a flu jab every year & a pneumonia jab every 10 years, having had pneumonia twice & having a heart attack caused by flu he as studied the effects of flu & the seriousness of the illness. We agree flu jabs are a must & save millions of lives word wide every year. When he had his heart attack 2 years back he also lost friends to flu who also died from heart attacks, one was a lady friend here on Fab who was only 51. Our mortuary at Weeley was backed up with bodies that year with increased deaths, even now with covid deaths in our region are still not touching that year. John had no history of heart disease it was definitely the flu that caused it, no way anyone can convince us covid is more dangerous...as dangerous yes but not more deadly no. | |||
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" Doctors will now give patients a more thorough examination as flu/covid symptoms are very similar. " Have you tried getting in to see your doctor recently? I would say good luck with that as I think a visit to see your GP is already a thing of the past... | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health " Flu is & as been a far worst killer than Covid but we can't be controlled with flu as we are with covid, a large percentage of Covid deaths are in fact flu deaths as they share the same family dna strain. 2 million died from flu last year worldwide but for some reason we don't have flu as cause of death on death certificates anymore like it was in 1918, because of this the government can play flu down and build Covid panic amongst the public. Covid can kill a small percentage but flu still kills far more. | |||
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"Flu and Pneumonia killed 1013 people week ending 7/8 Covid 152 according to Department of health Flu is & as been a far worst killer than Covid but we can't be controlled with flu as we are with covid, a large percentage of Covid deaths are in fact flu deaths as they share the same family dna strain. 2 million died from flu last year worldwide but for some reason we don't have flu as cause of death on death certificates anymore like it was in 1918, because of this the government can play flu down and build Covid panic amongst the public. Covid can kill a small percentage but flu still kills far more." Covid and flu are completely different viruses | |||
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"COVID leads to pneumonia which affects the respiratory system and can have long term affects after recovery. We have a flu vaccine. We don't have a COVID vaccine. I swear it feels like people jump onto these dumb conspiracy theories or play down covid in an attempt to feel intellectual and 'woke'. It's a constant search to find something going on "behind the scenes", finding an answer to a question that doesn't exist. We suddenly have people who have no interest or experience in statistics analysing data for the first time and jumping to conclusions, and trust their own analysis over medical experts." Yup. Like I said on another thread conversations from the pub seem to make their way onto the forum with any fact checking going on first. | |||
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"COVID leads to pneumonia which affects the respiratory system and can have long term affects after recovery. We have a flu vaccine. We don't have a COVID vaccine. I swear it feels like people jump onto these dumb conspiracy theories or play down covid in an attempt to feel intellectual and 'woke'. It's a constant search to find something going on "behind the scenes", finding an answer to a question that doesn't exist. We suddenly have people who have no interest or experience in statistics analysing data for the first time and jumping to conclusions, and trust their own analysis over medical experts." I do like your well thought out posts and agree with most of them. In a way getting people to take more interest, to start looking at or for information about things that are affecting them is a good thing, as long as they appreciate their limitations, ie not being experts in medicine or stats or analysis or in some cases reading and comprehension. Dunning Kruger has been mentioned a few times in these threads for good reason. Unfortunately because "govt" is deemed responsible for everything now, including our own personal responsibilities, and because "govt" has absolutely at times misled or made wrong decisions... That is being used as carte blanche to decide to ignore or counter every "govt" directive... Whether they are local authority, NHS, phe, police, transport company, shop owners... Its all the "govt". This episode truly has exposed our education and the quality of our mainstream media. I'll spread a rumour someone sends me.. So long as you don't expect me to read around it or understand it. | |||
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"COVID leads to pneumonia which affects the respiratory system and can have long term affects after recovery. We have a flu vaccine. We don't have a COVID vaccine. I swear it feels like people jump onto these dumb conspiracy theories or play down covid in an attempt to feel intellectual and 'woke'. It's a constant search to find something going on "behind the scenes", finding an answer to a question that doesn't exist. We suddenly have people who have no interest or experience in statistics analysing data for the first time and jumping to conclusions, and trust their own analysis over medical experts." serious question here... what do you think about the data, death rates and hospitalisations falling and continuously have been, that suggests the virus may have mutated and is weakening so is there really need for these, in my very humble opinion, over the top restrictions and scaremongering headlines? | |||
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