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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education. Teachers should pull their big pants up and stop crying about how hard done to they are instead of been selfish and looking out for them self's " Looking out for their members is their job. As correctly pointed out the other day ,when schools are treated like every other sector of society,they should go back. | |||
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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education. Teachers should pull their big pants up and stop crying about how hard done to they are instead of been selfish and looking out for them self's " So teachers don't have families they could go back to & pass anything on? Teachers are also only out for themselves they don't have a care in the world for the children they teach right? You must have gone to an awful school as the kind of teachers you describe are not the kind of teachers I know. | |||
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"Theirs zero credable argument for schools to remain closed - if home bargains pound land Greg's KFC and Co can be open so can schools " Do you get 30 people into a Greg's? | |||
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"Theirs zero credable argument for schools to remain closed - if home bargains pound land Greg's KFC and Co can be open so can schools Do you get 30 people into a Greg's?" Yes | |||
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"How many kids have tested + for covid? Off 55 thousand admissions to hospital the total is 0.88% End of argument " This is the internet. there's never an end to an argument | |||
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"How many kids have tested + for covid? Off 55 thousand admissions to hospital the total is 0.88% End of argument " Kids are said to be carriers, most people haven't been tested (until recently), kids being tested is far fewer. There have been cases of schools being shut because some kids have tested positive. | |||
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"How many kids have tested + for covid? Off 55 thousand admissions to hospital the total is 0.88% End of argument This is the internet. there's never an end to an argument " | |||
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"How many kids have tested + for covid? Off 55 thousand admissions to hospital the total is 0.88% End of argument Kids are said to be carriers, most people haven't been tested (until recently), kids being tested is far fewer. There have been cases of schools being shut because some kids have tested positive. " | |||
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"True but that's for others to continue to argue my involvement in the thread is over - teachers shouikd go back to school and do the job their paid for just like the rest of us have to we all have family's to go home. How many kids have tested + for covid? Off 55 thousand admissions to hospital the total is 0.88% End of argument This is the internet. there's never an end to an argument " Teachers have been working Not everyone has gone back to work Loads are working from home | |||
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"True but that's for others to continue to argue my involvement in the thread is over - teachers shouikd go back to school and do the job their paid for just like the rest of us have to we all have family's to go home. How many kids have tested + for covid? Off 55 thousand admissions to hospital the total is 0.88% End of argument This is the internet. there's never an end to an argument Teachers have been working Not everyone has gone back to work Loads are working from home " | |||
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"Working from home under a diffrent sector doesn't affect an entire generations education though does itn True but that's for others to continue to argue my involvement in the thread is over - teachers shouikd go back to school and do the job their paid for just like the rest of us have to we all have family's to go home. How many kids have tested + for covid? Off 55 thousand admissions to hospital the total is 0.88% End of argument This is the internet. there's never an end to an argument Teachers have been working Not everyone has gone back to work Loads are working from home " You said teachers should go back to school and do their job | |||
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"As a teacher I know full well that the unions will talk the talk but nothing will happen. There’s still not enough evidence of how it effects kids. They can still spread it to the adults who will be in close proximity. As a teacher I’m still pretty much expected to do all of my duties but in a much more enclosed space. We’re told not to wear face coverings because if something happens we are liable not be workplace because they won’t provide any official training on how to wear it. This is not saying I don’t know how to. But until they provide the service they tell us not to wear them. I’m fully prepared to go back into school and just have to get on. I live with two shielding parents and I’ve still had to go in since lockdown " | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it " In one. Labelling teachers as lazy and unions as selfish in the process. | |||
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"Yes they should " So whilst others are working from home Teachers should be made to ho back to work and disregard social distancing etc? | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it " | |||
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"So if kids are carriers why are they not forced to wear face coverings in public like the rest of us? How many kids have tested + for covid? Off 55 thousand admissions to hospital the total is 0.88% End of argument Kids are said to be carriers, most people haven't been tested (until recently), kids being tested is far fewer. There have been cases of schools being shut because some kids have tested positive. " Not a bloody clue, I don't make these guidelines up | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it " | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it " There's a lot of parents who can't or aren't able to give their kids home schooling. And more who can't give them the same amount of education or quality of learning that full time education would. From an outsiders view it seems that the teachers union has been more obsessed with making demands and excuses than providing workable solutions for reopening. | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it There's a lot of parents who can't or aren't able to give their kids home schooling. And more who can't give them the same amount of education or quality of learning that full time education would. From an outsiders view it seems that the teachers union has been more obsessed with making demands and excuses than providing workable solutions for reopening." Demands like keeping their members safe? | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it There's a lot of parents who can't or aren't able to give their kids home schooling. And more who can't give them the same amount of education or quality of learning that full time education would. From an outsiders view it seems that the teachers union has been more obsessed with making demands and excuses than providing workable solutions for reopening." As a minimum I asked parents to read with their children for 5 minutes a day. Some of them haven’t read a thing since March. I tell them that I’ll be calling every two weeks to see how they are, if they need food or help with bills, if everyone in the family is in good health. They don’t even pick up the phone. I’ve delivered work to houses, food packages, gone to shops and bought supplies with my own money. They were even given an tablet from school To access stuff online. After all that some still wouldn’t engage. | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it There's a lot of parents who can't or aren't able to give their kids home schooling. And more who can't give them the same amount of education or quality of learning that full time education would. From an outsiders view it seems that the teachers union has been more obsessed with making demands and excuses than providing workable solutions for reopening. As a minimum I asked parents to read with their children for 5 minutes a day. Some of them haven’t read a thing since March. I tell them that I’ll be calling every two weeks to see how they are, if they need food or help with bills, if everyone in the family is in good health. They don’t even pick up the phone. I’ve delivered work to houses, food packages, gone to shops and bought supplies with my own money. They were even given an tablet from school To access stuff online. After all that some still wouldn’t engage. " Well done to you  I've had 2 calls to see how mine are doing. 1 about 2 weeks in & 1 a week before they broke up | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it There's a lot of parents who can't or aren't able to give their kids home schooling. And more who can't give them the same amount of education or quality of learning that full time education would. From an outsiders view it seems that the teachers union has been more obsessed with making demands and excuses than providing workable solutions for reopening. Demands like keeping their members safe?" I think you must be torn Lionel. You obviously rail against the injustice of the education in this country when the wealthier are able to make sure their kids go to better schools thus widening the education attainment gap, but on the other hand you have to support the teachers union and are advocating that kids are taught at home. The homes where the wealthy kids will have better facilities thus widening the education attainment gap. Hell we had one teacher on here suggesting home teaching for a year. | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it There's a lot of parents who can't or aren't able to give their kids home schooling. And more who can't give them the same amount of education or quality of learning that full time education would. From an outsiders view it seems that the teachers union has been more obsessed with making demands and excuses than providing workable solutions for reopening. Demands like keeping their members safe?I think you must be torn Lionel. You obviously rail against the injustice of the education in this country when the wealthier are able to make sure their kids go to better schools thus widening the education attainment gap, but on the other hand you have to support the teachers union and are advocating that kids are taught at home. The homes where the wealthy kids will have better facilities thus widening the education attainment gap. Hell we had one teacher on here suggesting home teaching for a year." Home teaching for a year . Just wow  | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it There's a lot of parents who can't or aren't able to give their kids home schooling. And more who can't give them the same amount of education or quality of learning that full time education would. From an outsiders view it seems that the teachers union has been more obsessed with making demands and excuses than providing workable solutions for reopening. Demands like keeping their members safe?" Then they should be offering workable solutions instead of simply stating problems or being reliant on the govt to solve the problem. There's been enough time and research and resources. | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it There's a lot of parents who can't or aren't able to give their kids home schooling. And more who can't give them the same amount of education or quality of learning that full time education would. From an outsiders view it seems that the teachers union has been more obsessed with making demands and excuses than providing workable solutions for reopening. As a minimum I asked parents to read with their children for 5 minutes a day. Some of them haven’t read a thing since March. I tell them that I’ll be calling every two weeks to see how they are, if they need food or help with bills, if everyone in the family is in good health. They don’t even pick up the phone. I’ve delivered work to houses, food packages, gone to shops and bought supplies with my own money. They were even given an tablet from school To access stuff online. After all that some still wouldn’t engage. " Exactly. Not having kids in schools could widen the attainment gap and inequality in education. | |||
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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education." Yes I believe so too that this generation of education will be very disruptive. I wonder what the implications will be as they wont finish the schools in time, such as job prospects further down the line? | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it There's a lot of parents who can't or aren't able to give their kids home schooling. And more who can't give them the same amount of education or quality of learning that full time education would. From an outsiders view it seems that the teachers union has been more obsessed with making demands and excuses than providing workable solutions for reopening. Demands like keeping their members safe? Then they should be offering workable solutions instead of simply stating problems or being reliant on the govt to solve the problem. There's been enough time and research and resources." How do you know they are not? They requested 3 meetings with the gmnt a while ago and were knocked back. The gmnt and the unions should be working together to create a workable solution.Instead for weeks the gmnt have been pointing the finger at them,boris 'moral'duty '(the irony)and marxist unions headlines in the mail and plenty of people accept it without question. | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime?" Out in the real world a lot of kids are not social distancing. I'm aware they have shit parents but it is what it is. | |||
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students. " 
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students. " And if that was the case throughout the country great. | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime? Out in the real world a lot of kids are not social distancing. I'm aware they have shit parents but it is what it is." But surely the schools would have a responsibility to ensure it did happen,? Hasn't there already been a spike in scotland due to schools reopening? | |||
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students.
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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education. Teachers should pull their big pants up and stop crying about how hard done to they are instead of been selfish and looking out for them self's " Totally agree! X | |||
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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education. Teachers should pull their big pants up and stop crying about how hard done to they are instead of been selfish and looking out for them self's Totally agree! X" Me too. | |||
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students.
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime? Out in the real world a lot of kids are not social distancing. I'm aware they have shit parents but it is what it is. But surely the schools would have a responsibility to ensure it did happen,? Hasn't there already been a spike in scotland due to schools reopening?" I believe it was in Aberdeen which I would presume have something to do with the spike there. So do the rest of Scotlands schools close because of it. | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime? Out in the real world a lot of kids are not social distancing. I'm aware they have shit parents but it is what it is. But surely the schools would have a responsibility to ensure it did happen,? Hasn't there already been a spike in scotland due to schools reopening? I believe it was in Aberdeen which I would presume have something to do with the spike there. So do the rest of Scotlands schools close because of it." Glasgow | |||
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students.
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At the beginning of the post, I stated private international education. Don't confuse private with lots of money though. At the moment, I have to get permission from the executive board to buy paperclips. We are not allowed to spend any money unless fundamentally essential. "Yes I understand. But private is different entity to was is being discussed here. This is about public sector schools and the teachers union. | |||
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students.
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At the beginning of the post, I stated private international education. Don't confuse private with lots of money though. At the moment, I have to get permission from the executive board to buy paperclips. We are not allowed to spend any money unless fundamentally essential.
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This is about public sector schools and the teachers union."Just because we work in the private sector does not mean we are not unionised. I am a member of the biggest union representing teachers in FE and HE. Remember, much FE provision in this country, for UK students is given by private training providers. Just because my demographic is the international sector does not mean we are something special. My point is - mass online teaching is possible. We'd never taught online before, we had the student Easter hols to convert everything online. I had Covid during that time too. We had over 1200 students in the centre at lockdown, so our size is more than comparable to a large secondary school. It can be done. | |||
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"Most of The kids I know are absolutely desperate to go back to school. They should not be kept in captivity. Should be safe of course but teachers know it will be a mammoth job getting kids back into the flow. Will be interesting to track the kids of this year and see how they get on D" My almost 15 year old son is one of those desperate to get back, he has been off for 6 months now, we had to isolate in early March and then lock down happened. I am worried about him returning obviously, but also keen that they return in September, we are very rural and the isolation for him has been very difficult, back to footie training next week, he cannot wait. | |||
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students. " You are excellent, well done xx | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime?" There are plenty of possible solutions to those, I can't believe that after nearly 5 months very little has seemingly been planned and prepared. | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime? There are plenty of possible solutions to those, I can't believe that after nearly 5 months very little has seemingly been planned and prepared." The 2 sides should have worked together instead of finger pointing. | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime? There are plenty of possible solutions to those, I can't believe that after nearly 5 months very little has seemingly been planned and prepared." We have solutions for this sort of thing, so I should imagine state schools do too. | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime? Out in the real world a lot of kids are not social distancing. I'm aware they have shit parents but it is what it is. But surely the schools would have a responsibility to ensure it did happen,? Hasn't there already been a spike in scotland due to schools reopening? I believe it was in Aberdeen which I would presume have something to do with the spike there. So do the rest of Scotlands schools close because of it. Glasgow" Got it. NHS Lanarkshire said the first pupil at St Ambrose tested positive on Thursday, after displaying mild symptoms since 11 August. A second pupil, who is a close contact of the first pupil outside school, also tested positive on Thursday but neither had attended school. The third pupil at St Ambrose, a close contact of the other two outside school, tested positive on Friday and was present at school for about 20 minutes on Thursday. The health board said this person was immediately isolated and taken home to self-isolate having had "limited contact with any other pupils while in school for this period". The pupil at St Andrew's tested positive on Friday and had attended school for a "relatively short period of time" on Thursday with "limited contact with a defined number of individuals". The risk to other pupils and staff at St Andrew's has been assessed as "very low", the health board said. So it seems mixing outside school is where they got infected. | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime? There are plenty of possible solutions to those, I can't believe that after nearly 5 months very little has seemingly been planned and prepared." I'd think all schools have got plans on how to do this already. | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling "some of the parents I have spoken to since schools closed from the school I work for have said that for some of them home and virtual schooling hasn't worked out. Some children have concentration and stress issues, they need the school environment | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime? There are plenty of possible solutions to those, I can't believe that after nearly 5 months very little has seemingly been planned and prepared. The 2 sides should have worked together instead of finger pointing. " Agreed | |||
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"I think the basic issue with this is parents have got fed up with the kids at home. Haven’t done any of the work that’s been set for them at home and want teachers to deal with it " Actually what we've been fed up with is that the work set takes roughly an hour for the kids to actually complete and then after that we have to do our ordinary jobs AND try to keep them entertained. I don't know about other schools, but we have one in primary and one in secondary. In both cases the workload set has been woefully inadequate, and the tools given to complete the work in equally shoddy. We have spent more on printer ink since lockdown than in the past 5 years because with many of these "online education platforms" they are too poorly put together to actually allow you to do the work on the computer. They must be printed out, hand written onto and then scanned back in. Which actually ends up taking longer than the work itself. Some teachers may have been still working reasonably, but most have been doing the bare minimum | |||
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"It doesn’t matter what the unions want, they’re just safeguarding their own jobs by appearing to protect their members. Teachers will be back to work in September, all children are expected back in classes of 30 and school have made adjustments, where possible. Most finalised their plans and shared with parents back in July, they’ve been fully expecting to open to all children. I don’t get why some people are so anti-teachers. Most schools around here never closed, they remained open to vulnerable and key worker children and opened up to years R,1 and 6 in June. They even opened during the Easter break and half term (with no extra pay for staff) Most teachers and support staff were in as they were having to put the children into smaller groups/bubbles. The rest of the staff were setting the online work and calling the children at home etc. Personally, I think many teachers have gone above and beyond for their pupils. You will obviously get a few shirkers but you’ll find lazy people in every industry, it’s unfair to tarnish the whole profession. We have to remember, teachers are normal people with their own families to care for, they too are worried about their own children and parents etc. They are not immune to the virus. I also don’t get the whole ‘children don’t pass it to adults’ logic. How do we know that for sure? Can every person who has tested positive pinpoint exactly where they picked it up from? Some people, including children, show no obvious symptoms so there must still be a chance that adults can be infected by a child. " | |||
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"It doesn’t matter what the unions want, they’re just safeguarding their own jobs by appearing to protect their members. Teachers will be back to work in September, all children are expected back in classes of 30 and school have made adjustments, where possible. Most finalised their plans and shared with parents back in July, they’ve been fully expecting to open to all children. I don’t get why some people are so anti-teachers. Most schools around here never closed, they remained open to vulnerable and key worker children and opened up to years R,1 and 6 in June. They even opened during the Easter break and half term (with no extra pay for staff) Most teachers and support staff were in as they were having to put the children into smaller groups/bubbles. The rest of the staff were setting the online work and calling the children at home etc. Personally, I think many teachers have gone above and beyond for their pupils. You will obviously get a few shirkers but you’ll find lazy people in every industry, it’s unfair to tarnish the whole profession. We have to remember, teachers are normal people with their own families to care for, they too are worried about their own children and parents etc. They are not immune to the virus. I also don’t get the whole ‘children don’t pass it to adults’ logic. How do we know that for sure? Can every person who has tested positive pinpoint exactly where they picked it up from? Some people, including children, show no obvious symptoms so there must still be a chance that adults can be infected by a child. " Thank you  | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling "Our school has been doing virtual, zoom online and directing to resources. Teachers also have key workers children in attendance so have to split themselves accordingly. My youngest returned to school within a bubble of 8 in jun with social distancing and he loved it. My eldest remained at home and I home schooled. I am now back in work sep under guidelines. I'm not a teacher or in involved as a worker within the school. The school has planned phased introduction, zoned areas and class groups. One way system around the school and several hand sanitising stations. Eating areas amended and seating. As a single working parent, that can't be done from home. Children striving to learn. If the processes can be put in place,the risk minimised. My children understanding and telling/showing grown ups of the accepted distance and handwashing as directed why not let them return. If and when appropriate to do so: An individual choice for each school and family whether they choose to send their child or not. It's tough yes but with hygiene and a common sense approach we are able to make choices that protect our at risk groups but provide steps forward towards a new way of living. | |||
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"It doesn’t matter what the unions want, they’re just safeguarding their own jobs by appearing to protect their members. Teachers will be back to work in September, all children are expected back in classes of 30 and school have made adjustments, where possible. Most finalised their plans and shared with parents back in July, they’ve been fully expecting to open to all children. I don’t get why some people are so anti-teachers. Most schools around here never closed, they remained open to vulnerable and key worker children and opened up to years R,1 and 6 in June. They even opened during the Easter break and half term (with no extra pay for staff) Most teachers and support staff were in as they were having to put the children into smaller groups/bubbles. The rest of the staff were setting the online work and calling the children at home etc. Personally, I think many teachers have gone above and beyond for their pupils. You will obviously get a few shirkers but you’ll find lazy people in every industry, it’s unfair to tarnish the whole profession. We have to remember, teachers are normal people with their own families to care for, they too are worried about their own children and parents etc. They are not immune to the virus. I also don’t get the whole ‘children don’t pass it to adults’ logic. How do we know that for sure? Can every person who has tested positive pinpoint exactly where they picked it up from? Some people, including children, show no obvious symptoms so there must still be a chance that adults can be infected by a child. " You can just stop with this sensible stuff. The internet doesn’t like it. | |||
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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education. Teachers should pull their big pants up and stop crying about how hard done to they are instead of been selfish and looking out for them self's Totally agree! X Me too. " | |||
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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education. Teachers should pull their big pants up and stop crying about how hard done to they are instead of been selfish and looking out for them self's So teachers don't have families they could go back to & pass anything on? Teachers are also only out for themselves they don't have a care in the world for the children they teach right? You must have gone to an awful school as the kind of teachers you describe are not the kind of teachers I know. " Very well said, totally agree, unfortunately there are some unbelievably selfish people calling other people selfish  | |||
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students. " That is good you have been able to work online and to teach the students too | |||
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"Further more children don't have to wear a face shield /covering yet the rest of the population does, again showing very small risk, simple way around this teachers wear a face covering like the rest of us. I have two daughters who's education is been serverly affected by teachers refusing to work. When all the evidence shows that of all sectors their the least at risk. " Since when have teachers refused to work, when they have been working through lockdown under very difficult circumstances. | |||
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"Further more children don't have to wear a face shield /covering yet the rest of the population does, again showing very small risk, simple way around this teachers wear a face covering like the rest of us. I have two daughters who's education is been serverly affected by teachers refusing to work. When all the evidence shows that of all sectors their the least at risk. Since when have teachers refused to work, when they have been working through lockdown under very difficult circumstances. " They haven't. | |||
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"Further more children don't have to wear a face shield /covering yet the rest of the population does, again showing very small risk, simple way around this teachers wear a face covering like the rest of us. I have two daughters who's education is been serverly affected by teachers refusing to work. When all the evidence shows that of all sectors their the least at risk. " Teachers are not and have never been "refusing to work". Local authorities have made decisions not to open- not teachers. Teachers have kept schools open for keyworkers during lockdown, have opened for some year groups (as per government wishes) since June and are preparing to go back after the summer. They worked damned hard during lockdown to prepare work for home learning and support parents and children, whilst a significant proportion of the uk workforce was furloughed and enjoying the sun. The issue is government preparations- theyve put more thought into re-opening pubs than schools. And staff in fast food outlets have better PPE and work station protection than teachers. If you had to work in the conditions in a school during this pandemic, you would shit yourself. Teachers aren't happy and it's their right to be unhappy. But they are still going to work. It's my belief that a lot of Fabbers who want kids back in school want it so they can organise some daytime meets... | |||
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"Further more children don't have to wear a face shield /covering yet the rest of the population does, again showing very small risk, simple way around this teachers wear a face covering like the rest of us. I have two daughters who's education is been serverly affected by teachers refusing to work. When all the evidence shows that of all sectors their the least at risk. Since when have teachers refused to work, when they have been working through lockdown under very difficult circumstances. " exactly! They’ve had to adapt to online/remote learning with very little/no notice and training. They’ve been winging it and doing a really good job in most cases.
You’ll always get parents saying how rubbish the teachers are and how the work and wasn’t adequate etc. But I think we’ll find a lot of those parents are the ones who didn’t put the effort in to support their child’s learning. Our children’s school provided plenty of support and work but parents from the same school claimed they hadn’t been told anything about it - they just hadn’t bothered to check the emails or sign into Teams! The school have been leaning tablets and delivering paper copies of work too but it’s up to the parents to contact the school and let them know they needed them.
I think most school staff have worked really hard under stressful conditions and should be praised. Ultimately, our children are our responsibility and if we’re really that concerned about them not having enough work to do or falling behind then it’s up to us to bridge the gaps, there are plenty of online resources. And we need to remember all children are in the same position and schools will be very conscious of helping them all catch up.
In a couple of weeks teachers will be meeting their new classes and having to deal with many anxious children and parents whilst adapting to new working conditions, let’s give them a break eh?!
I wonder why so many teachers quit the profession after only a couple of years - could it be because it’s become a thankless job with too many critics and too much pressure?!
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"Further more children don't have to wear a face shield /covering yet the rest of the population does, again showing very small risk, simple way around this teachers wear a face covering like the rest of us. I have two daughters who's education is been serverly affected by teachers refusing to work. When all the evidence shows that of all sectors their the least at risk. Since when have teachers refused to work, when they have been working through lockdown under very difficult circumstances. exactly! They’ve had to adapt to online/remote learning with very little/no notice and training. They’ve been winging it and doing a really good job in most cases.
You’ll always get parents saying how rubbish the teachers are and how the work and wasn’t adequate etc. But I think we’ll find a lot of those parents are the ones who didn’t put the effort in to support their child’s learning. Our children’s school provided plenty of support and work but parents from the same school claimed they hadn’t been told anything about it - they just hadn’t bothered to check the emails or sign into Teams! The school have been leaning tablets and delivering paper copies of work too but it’s up to the parents to contact the school and let them know they needed them.
I think most school staff have worked really hard under stressful conditions and should be praised. Ultimately, our children are our responsibility and if we’re really that concerned about them not having enough work to do or falling behind then it’s up to us to bridge the gaps, there are plenty of online resources. And we need to remember all children are in the same position and schools will be very conscious of helping them all catch up.
In a couple of weeks teachers will be meeting their new classes and having to deal with many anxious children and parents whilst adapting to new working conditions, let’s give them a break eh?!
I wonder why so many teachers quit the profession after only a couple of years - could it be because it’s become a thankless job with too many critics and too much pressure?!
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students. " with all due respect that in no way relates or is an example of what has happened for primary and secondary education... its not even a close comparison | |||
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"How would class sizes work?would they be half? How about playtime?are kids going to maintain social distance whilst playing together? Dinnertime? Out in the real world a lot of kids are not social distancing. I'm aware they have shit parents but it is what it is. But surely the schools would have a responsibility to ensure it did happen,? Hasn't there already been a spike in scotland due to schools reopening?" no it was crap journalism ... the spikes were in aberdeen where there is already extra lockdown measures so opening the school was daft and in glasgow where they names a school despite none of the 8 pupils having set foot in the building since it reopened | |||
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"A lot of the restrictions are based on the prediction that we couldn't control a repeat of the virus. It could be too much. I'd like to see the PR used to defend the decision if children start dying." Decision to send them back I mean. | |||
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students. with all due respect that in no way relates or is an example of what has happened for primary and secondary education... its not even a close comparison " To be fair, MOST seconddary schools were creating and marking a LOT of work, and the lessons on Zoom/Teams or similar have been prolific. Cal | |||
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"How many kids have tested + for covid? Off 55 thousand admissions to hospital the total is 0.88% End of argument " That's possibly because they closed schools and we're locked up for months compared to the rest of the population who either continued to go to work or go shopping. The virus will spread amongst school children. Kids are back to school in Scotland now so let's see how things are in a couple of weeks. The problem is, whilst kids might not be affected badly enough for hospital admissions, they can pass it on to more vulnerable family members. Of course, schools do need back. | |||
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"Doesnt take much does it? It's gone from all being in it together,then a few pointed digs from the gmnt,the standard headlines in the mail,and the teaching unions are selfish and teachers are lazy." We were never all in it together. Many of us work with the public, it's been scary at times. They need to get on with it. | |||
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) - I think it is with the media trying to stir up unease and unrest. And look, it works!
Furlough ends in October. If children are not back in School, and whether folk like it or not, this will have a massive impact on folk being able to return to work. If they don’t return to work then even more job losses will follow.
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"Further more children don't have to wear a face shield /covering yet the rest of the population does, again showing very small risk, simple way around this teachers wear a face covering like the rest of us. I have two daughters who's education is been serverly affected by teachers refusing to work. When all the evidence shows that of all sectors their the least at risk. Teachers are not and have never been "refusing to work". Local authorities have made decisions not to open- not teachers. Teachers have kept schools open for keyworkers during lockdown, have opened for some year groups (as per government wishes) since June and are preparing to go back after the summer. They worked damned hard during lockdown to prepare work for home learning and support parents and children, whilst a significant proportion of the uk workforce was furloughed and enjoying the sun. The issue is government preparations- theyve put more thought into re-opening pubs than schools. And staff in fast food outlets have better PPE and work station protection than teachers. If you had to work in the conditions in a school during this pandemic, you would shit yourself. Teachers aren't happy and it's their right to be unhappy. But they are still going to work. It's my belief that a lot of Fabbers who want kids back in school want it so they can organise some daytime meets..." | |||
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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education. Teachers should pull their big pants up and stop crying about how hard done to they are instead of been selfish and looking out for them self's " A unions job is to look after its members needs, if they think the employers are wrong it's the strength and unity of the workforce that will determine the outcome. Unless I'm wrong I think it's only the masses schools that are reopening, not your uppercrust toffee nosed private schools. That should tell you all you need to know. Definitely not all in this together. | |||
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"Judging by the lack of written English skills from the majority of contributors here I’d say schools and education isn’t something you should be commenting on. But, for what it’s worth, I think schools should be open as should every other business and sector in the country. "Kudos. I have read a number of posts on here and thought at least your children will have an excuse for not knowing the difference between There and their. Whose and who's. Your and you're. Welcome to 2020, where the semi- literate can sit in judgement of an entire profession without considering that their teachers were present the entire time, yet they haven't mastered the basics of written communication. | |||
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"Judging by the lack of written English skills from the majority of contributors here I’d say schools and education isn’t something you should be commenting on. But, for what it’s worth, I think schools should be open as should every other business and sector in the country.
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Welcome to 2020, where the semi- literate can sit in judgement of an entire profession without considering that their teachers were present the entire time, yet they haven't mastered the basics of written communication. "Very very true | |||
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"I work in education (private international sector). We have been teaching wholly online since the end of March. And I mean properly teaching, not just setting work. Our students sat examinations (time controlled assessments) and next intake will sit remotely proctored exams. We marked all the assessments from home; I went into the (closed) centre to scan all the paper assessments from earlier in the year, so moderation could take place. I've used 6 days annual leave since January and I'm only off for a fortnight now due to having surgery. S works for the same organisation and he's only off the one week to look after me. We've had no holiday time, we've worked evenings, weekends and all the rest. We worked live with the students with our 3yo at home from March to June. If anyone would like to tell me that teaching and education just stopped due to the Covid crisis, then come and say it to my face. I was on fucking Teams calls in the pre op area before going down to the theatre, for Christ sake, that's how hard I continue to work and much I value my job and my students. with all due respect that in no way relates or is an example of what has happened for primary and secondary education... its not even a close comparison To be fair, MOST seconddary schools were creating and marking a LOT of work, and the lessons on Zoom/Teams or similar have been prolific. Cal" Friends who work in the state sector continued to work and to teach via Teams, although didn't seem to be a full timetable. We had to administer remote exams, which state schools avoided, which is probably a good thing. Omnishambles doesn't even cut it | |||
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"Judging by the lack of written English skills from the majority of contributors here I’d say schools and education isn’t something you should be commenting on. But, for what it’s worth, I think schools should be open as should every other business and sector in the country.
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There and their.
Whose and who's.
Your and you're.
Welcome to 2020, where the semi- literate can sit in judgement of an entire profession without considering that their teachers were present the entire time, yet they haven't mastered the basics of written communication.
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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education. Teachers should pull their big pants up and stop crying about how hard done to they are instead of been selfish and looking out for them self's " Just to add some facts, there are more people furloughed as of 2nd August than in June or July, I’m not a teacher or health worker and I’m still being made to work from home by my company due to risk associated with COVID | |||
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"Their is zero reason for schools mot to be open they are affacting an entire generations education. Teachers should pull their big pants up and stop crying about how hard done to they are instead of been selfish and looking out for them self's Just to add some facts, there are more people furloughed as of 2nd August than in June or July, I’m not a teacher or health worker and I’m still being made to work from home by my company due to risk associated with COVID " the government have said office workers can return, industries are not sending you back into the office because they are most likely working through plans to reduce office capacity and keep you home working more often, potentially permanently they have discovered how much money there is to be saved on expenses leases now that they know their operation can work mainly at home ... if they bring people back now, changing their contracts to home workers will be more difficult than the guise of doing it for their safety and then just never bringing you back once you are used to it | |||
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"Most parents arent teachers! If I was my salary would be double and I would have gone to university to TRAIN! My youngest has SEN and has been totally abandoned by the educational system during this time. I say, man up and get your arses to work. Some of us have worked all the way through this pandemic. I think as parents we should all just take our kids to the school gates on monday the 7th and leave them there!! Supply and demand. Teachers are public servants and as such they need to be doing as such. If the refuse, take their pay away. Theyll soon return. I dont see why I should be paying their wage when they're busy having an extended holiday!! " All parents are teachers, we are the ones our children learn the most from. Ok, some parents may not be academically smart but everything we say and do moulds our children into the people they become. And I’d advise against abandoning your child at the school gates if they’re not open, unless you want to have social services in your life and be accused of neglect. If your SEN child is vulnerable they would have been able to go into school with the key worker children, my child’s school had many of their SEN pupils in as they fall into the vulnerable category. But parents needed to weigh up the health risk against the educational need. Perhaps it’s just some individual schools that didn’t perform well during this pandemic and not just the teaching profession as a whole. But perhaps those schools didn’t have enough healthy staff able to keep things running smoothly, after all some teachers may have had Covid or were shielding etc. I know my child’s school had 2 staff members test positive at different times. | |||
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"Most parents arent teachers! If I was my salary would be double and I would have gone to university to TRAIN! My youngest has SEN and has been totally abandoned by the educational system during this time. I say, man up and get your arses to work. Some of us have worked all the way through this pandemic. I think as parents we should all just take our kids to the school gates on monday the 7th and leave them there!! Supply and demand. Teachers are public servants and as such they need to be doing as such. If the refuse, take their pay away. Theyll soon return. I dont see why I should be paying their wage when they're busy having an extended holiday!! " Quite impressive how much nonrsrmse you can get in 1 paragraph. | |||
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"Most parents arent teachers! If I was my salary would be double and I would have gone to university to TRAIN! My youngest has SEN and has been totally abandoned by the educational system during this time. I say, man up and get your arses to work. Some of us have worked all the way through this pandemic. I think as parents we should all just take our kids to the school gates on monday the 7th and leave them there!! Supply and demand. Teachers are public servants and as such they need to be doing as such. If the refuse, take their pay away. Theyll soon return. I dont see why I should be paying their wage when they're busy having an extended holiday!! Quite impressive how much nonrsrmse you can get in 1 paragraph." yeah its hard to get on board with an argument of your child has been abandoned when the next suggestion is drop them at the gate and walk away ... flippant probably sure but seems to come from you wanting a break rather than what is best for your child | |||
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"Most parents arent teachers! If I was my salary would be double and I would have gone to university to TRAIN! My youngest has SEN and has been totally abandoned by the educational system during this time. I say, man up and get your arses to work. Some of us have worked all the way through this pandemic. I think as parents we should all just take our kids to the school gates on monday the 7th and leave them there!! Supply and demand. Teachers are public servants and as such they need to be doing as such. If the refuse, take their pay away. Theyll soon return. I dont see why I should be paying their wage when they're busy having an extended holiday!! Quite impressive how much nonrsrmse you can get in 1 paragraph. yeah its hard to get on board with an argument of your child has been abandoned when the next suggestion is drop them at the gate and walk away ... flippant probably sure but seems to come from you wanting a break rather than what is best for your child " Cant argue with a reasoned approach like that. | |||
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"Most parents arent teachers! If I was my salary would be double and I would have gone to university to TRAIN! My youngest has SEN and has been totally abandoned by the educational system during this time. I say, man up and get your arses to work. Some of us have worked all the way through this pandemic. I think as parents we should all just take our kids to the school gates on monday the 7th and leave them there!! Supply and demand. Teachers are public servants and as such they need to be doing as such. If the refuse, take their pay away. Theyll soon return. I dont see why I should be paying their wage when they're busy having an extended holiday!! Quite impressive how much nonrsrmse you can get in 1 paragraph. yeah its hard to get on board with an argument of your child has been abandoned when the next suggestion is drop them at the gate and walk away ... flippant probably sure but seems to come from you wanting a break rather than what is best for your child Cant argue with a reasoned approach like that." Hold that thought caller, I'm sure someone's going to pile in with something - I just wonder how daft it will be. | |||
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"Most parents arent teachers! If I was my salary would be double and I would have gone to university to TRAIN! My youngest has SEN and has been totally abandoned by the educational system during this time. I say, man up and get your arses to work. Some of us have worked all the way through this pandemic. I think as parents we should all just take our kids to the school gates on monday the 7th and leave them there!! Supply and demand. Teachers are public servants and as such they need to be doing as such. If the refuse, take their pay away. Theyll soon return. I dont see why I should be paying their wage when they're busy having an extended holiday!! Quite impressive how much nonrsrmse you can get in 1 paragraph. yeah its hard to get on board with an argument of your child has been abandoned when the next suggestion is drop them at the gate and walk away ... flippant probably sure but seems to come from you wanting a break rather than what is best for your child Cant argue with a reasoned approach like that. Hold that thought caller, I'm sure someone's going to pile in with something - I just wonder how daft it will be." For sure, you know its incoming, but just exactly how daft is the only variable. | |||
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"Most parents arent teachers! If I was my salary would be double and I would have gone to university to TRAIN! My youngest has SEN and has been totally abandoned by the educational system during this time. I say, man up and get your arses to work. Some of us have worked all the way through this pandemic. I think as parents we should all just take our kids to the school gates on monday the 7th and leave them there!! Supply and demand. Teachers are public servants and as such they need to be doing as such. If the refuse, take their pay away. Theyll soon return. I dont see why I should be paying their wage when they're busy having an extended holiday!! Quite impressive how much nonrsrmse you can get in 1 paragraph." Bravo. | |||
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"For us education is only part of it, for us the social aspect of our children mixing with others of there own age and interests is just as important!! " The time that children have missed from school will have an impact for a long time to come, there are some who will probably struggle to cope with their return to school in September because of the isolation. It will be especially hard for those moving up from year 6 to year 7 as they will not have had a propper transition period. Suddenly arriving at a new school surrounded by hundreds of bigger kids who they've never seen before will be terrifying for some. There is no doubt whatsoever that teachers DO want to get back to school & get the kids back in too. The unions are just doing their duty to ensure that the health and safety of the staff is being properly considered. There has been a lot of teachers bashing going on on these threads, but until you've actually worked in education you really have no concept of how hard school staff really work. Teachers in particular regularly go home and work for another two or three hours every night, and often quiet a bit of the weekend too. Being on the front line of education I know for a fact that (most) teachers have most certainly been working hard for the entire lockdown. Some of our teachers are even still producing work now for those students that want to do it. The biggest limiting factor to keeping the kids working has been their own willingness to engage, many students have chosen to do NOTHING and parents have been unable or unwilling to intervene. Cal | |||
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"For us education is only part of it, for us the social aspect of our children mixing with others of there own age and interests is just as important!! The time that children have missed from school will have an impact for a long time to come, there are some who will probably struggle to cope with their return to school in September because of the isolation. It will be especially hard for those moving up from year 6 to year 7 as they will not have had a propper transition period. Suddenly arriving at a new school surrounded by hundreds of bigger kids who they've never seen before will be terrifying for some. There is no doubt whatsoever that teachers DO want to get back to school & get the kids back in too. The unions are just doing their duty to ensure that the health and safety of the staff is being properly considered. There has been a lot of teachers bashing going on on these threads, but until you've actually worked in education you really have no concept of how hard school staff really work. Teachers in particular regularly go home and work for another two or three hours every night, and often quiet a bit of the weekend too. Being on the front line of education I know for a fact that (most) teachers have most certainly been working hard for the entire lockdown. Some of our teachers are even still producing work now for those students that want to do it. The biggest limiting factor to keeping the kids working has been their own willingness to engage, many students have chosen to do NOTHING and parents have been unable or unwilling to intervene. Cal" Sadly Ill informed ignorance is widespread. | |||
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"For us education is only part of it, for us the social aspect of our children mixing with others of there own age and interests is just as important!! The time that children have missed from school will have an impact for a long time to come, there are some who will probably struggle to cope with their return to school in September because of the isolation. It will be especially hard for those moving up from year 6 to year 7 as they will not have had a propper transition period. Suddenly arriving at a new school surrounded by hundreds of bigger kids who they've never seen before will be terrifying for some. There is no doubt whatsoever that teachers DO want to get back to school & get the kids back in too. The unions are just doing their duty to ensure that the health and safety of the staff is being properly considered. There has been a lot of teachers bashing going on on these threads, but until you've actually worked in education you really have no concept of how hard school staff really work. Teachers in particular regularly go home and work for another two or three hours every night, and often quiet a bit of the weekend too. Being on the front line of education I know for a fact that (most) teachers have most certainly been working hard for the entire lockdown. Some of our teachers are even still producing work now for those students that want to do it. The biggest limiting factor to keeping the kids working has been their own willingness to engage, many students have chosen to do NOTHING and parents have been unable or unwilling to intervene. Cal ---- Sadly Ill informed ignorance is widespread. " Which is why we continue to educate. Cal | |||
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"so devil’s advocate here the teachers who have posted that they are trying their best to get lids at home the education they need but the kids don't engage and the parents cant or wont intervene i actually dont doubt for a second that this is your personal experience so will put aside for the moment that i know of multiple people who had a very different experience if even when you are trying your hardest for the home learning solution to work, you can see how varied a result it is producing and widening attainment gaps even more, disadvantaging some groups for life if we continue to plod on ahead knowing they are missing out entirely ... doesnt that make you feel even stronger that we need to get the kids back on site to try level the playing field again and catch these kids up where possible ... otherwise they just slip through the net beyond reach " I would hope so. | |||
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" Looking out for their members is their job. " The unions are too politicised now a days, they are more into point scoring. If JC was in charge and told the teachers to go back to school and lick every child in the school, the unions would be on it like a shot... | |||
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" Looking out for their members is their job. The unions are too politicised now a days, they are more into point scoring. If JC was in charge and told the teachers to go back to school and lick every child in the school, the unions would be on it like a shot..." Jesus Christ ? | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling some of the parents I have spoken to since schools closed from the school I work for have said that for some of them home and virtual schooling hasn't worked out. Some children have concentration and stress issues, they need the school environment "That is right and yes it doesnt work for all but it is a good temporary alternative way of doing it until they go back there | |||
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" Looking out for their members is their job. The unions are too politicised now a days, they are more into point scoring. If JC was in charge and told the teachers to go back to school and lick every child in the school, the unions would be on it like a shot..." What are you on about? | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling some of the parents I have spoken to since schools closed from the school I work for have said that for some of them home and virtual schooling hasn't worked out. Some children have concentration and stress issues, they need the school environment That is right and yes it doesnt work for all but it is a good temporary alternative way of doing it until they go back there "They’ve been doing online for around 5 months. What do you consider temporary shag. We’ve had one teacher on here advocating another year. If you mention kids are mixing outside of school it means they’ve got shit parents according to the same teacher. | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling some of the parents I have spoken to since schools closed from the school I work for have said that for some of them home and virtual schooling hasn't worked out. Some children have concentration and stress issues, they need the school environment That is right and yes it doesnt work for all but it is a good temporary alternative way of doing it until they go back there
They’ve been doing online for around 5 months. What do you consider temporary shag.
We’ve had one teacher on here advocating another year. If you mention kids are mixing outside of school it means they’ve got shit parents according to the same teacher." | |||
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"so devil’s advocate here the teachers who have posted that they are trying their best to get lids at home the education they need but the kids don't engage and the parents cant or wont intervene i actually dont doubt for a second that this is your personal experience so will put aside for the moment that i know of multiple people who had a very different experience if even when you are trying your hardest for the home learning solution to work, you can see how varied a result it is producing and widening attainment gaps even more, disadvantaging some groups for life if we continue to plod on ahead knowing they are missing out entirely ... doesnt that make you feel even stronger that we need to get the kids back on site to try level the playing field again and catch these kids up where possible ... otherwise they just slip through the net beyond reach " I haven't seen anyone that actually said that schools should not open, it's more a question of whether it is safe enough for ALL concerned. My own personal opinion, is that it should be a localised decision rather than a national one. My own local area has had ZERO cases in the last 5 weeks so could safely lift ALL restrictions and return to normal. Other areas are not as lucky. Cal | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling some of the parents I have spoken to since schools closed from the school I work for have said that for some of them home and virtual schooling hasn't worked out. Some children have concentration and stress issues, they need the school environment That is right and yes it doesnt work for all but it is a good temporary alternative way of doing it until they go back there
They’ve been doing online for around 5 months. What do you consider temporary shag.
We’ve had one teacher on here advocating another year. If you mention kids are mixing outside of school it means they’ve got shit parents according to the same teacher."17 weeks take away school Holidays equals 14 weeks ...... 70 days to be exact. | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling some of the parents I have spoken to since schools closed from the school I work for have said that for some of them home and virtual schooling hasn't worked out. Some children have concentration and stress issues, they need the school environment That is right and yes it doesnt work for all but it is a good temporary alternative way of doing it until they go back there "I don’t think online is anywhere near as good for primary age children when they do go back it won’t be the same the seating formats and the ways we are delivering the curriculum etc has all changed. I do think a better initial way to get children back is blended one week on one week off then more space and less risk. It all feels like a big experiment and the blended would reduce the exposure by half ...... | |||
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"so devil’s advocate here the teachers who have posted that they are trying their best to get lids at home the education they need but the kids don't engage and the parents cant or wont intervene i actually dont doubt for a second that this is your personal experience so will put aside for the moment that i know of multiple people who had a very different experience if even when you are trying your hardest for the home learning solution to work, you can see how varied a result it is producing and widening attainment gaps even more, disadvantaging some groups for life if we continue to plod on ahead knowing they are missing out entirely ... doesnt that make you feel even stronger that we need to get the kids back on site to try level the playing field again and catch these kids up where possible ... otherwise they just slip through the net beyond reach I haven't seen anyone that actually said that schools should not open, it's more a question of whether it is safe enough for ALL concerned. My own personal opinion, is that it should be a localised decision rather than a national one. My own local area has had ZERO cases in the last 5 weeks so could safely lift ALL restrictions and return to normal. Other areas are not as lucky. Cal" I agree totally the nationalised way of assessing is total rubbish. Also the problem is that SLT are not being consistent for example PPE isn’t allowed as per gov guidelines some heads are allowing it some are sticking to the letter of the guidelines. Some heads are allowing vulnerable staff to have a less exposed role, some aren’t. Some heads are strictly modelling and challenging parents when social distancing isn’t being observed .. some aren’t. It’s the lack of consistency that causes problems. | |||
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"Judging by the lack of written English skills from the majority of contributors here I’d say schools and education isn’t something you should be commenting on. But, for what it’s worth, I think schools should be open as should every other business and sector in the country.
Kudos.
I have read a number of posts on here and thought at least your children will have an excuse for not knowing the difference between
There and their.
Whose and who's.
Your and you're.
Welcome to 2020, where the semi- literate can sit in judgement of an entire profession without considering that their teachers were present the entire time, yet they haven't mastered the basics of written communication. " | |||
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"so devil’s advocate here the teachers who have posted that they are trying their best to get lids at home the education they need but the kids don't engage and the parents cant or wont intervene i actually dont doubt for a second that this is your personal experience so will put aside for the moment that i know of multiple people who had a very different experience if even when you are trying your hardest for the home learning solution to work, you can see how varied a result it is producing and widening attainment gaps even more, disadvantaging some groups for life if we continue to plod on ahead knowing they are missing out entirely ... doesnt that make you feel even stronger that we need to get the kids back on site to try level the playing field again and catch these kids up where possible ... otherwise they just slip through the net beyond reach ------ I haven't seen anyone that actually said that schools should not open, it's more a question of whether it is safe enough for ALL concerned. My own personal opinion, is that it should be a localised decision rather than a national one. My own local area has had ZERO cases in the last 5 weeks so could safely lift ALL restrictions and return to normal. Other areas are not as lucky. Cal --- I agree totally the nationalised way of assessing is total rubbish. Also the problem is that SLT are not being consistent for example PPE isn’t allowed as per gov guidelines some heads are allowing it some are sticking to the letter of the guidelines. Some heads are allowing vulnerable staff to have a less exposed role, some aren’t. Some heads are strictly modelling and challenging parents when social distancing isn’t being observed .. some aren’t. It’s the lack of consistency that causes problems. " It would be nice if the government gave black & white instructions rather than vague, ambiguous guidelines. It is much easier to have a consistent education offering if the rules are actually rules. Cal | |||
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"Judging by the lack of written English skills from the majority of contributors here I’d say schools and education isn’t something you should be commenting on. But, for what it’s worth, I think schools should be open as should every other business and sector in the country.
Kudos.
I have read a number of posts on here and thought at least your children will have an excuse for not knowing the difference between
There and their.
Whose and who's.
Your and you're.
Welcome to 2020, where the semi- literate can sit in judgement of an entire profession without considering that their teachers were present the entire time, yet they haven't mastered the basics of written communication. "
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