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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What would change your mind?

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By *ustKeepSwinging999Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Years of testing to demonstrate no side effects.

Also, it's a virus - they mutate,they have strains; what happens then? You have to have a flu vaccine every year - will this be the same?

And how come we've never found a vaccine or cure for the common cold? I just lack faith in it tbh.

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By *heshire-cat74Woman
over a year ago

Stoke on Trent

No I won't be having it well at least for a long time if it's anything like the flu vaccine I can't have that as it makes me so ill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Got to say like others have said it needs time to know if there's long term side effects, there's no test they can do to show those so won't be taking a vaccine for at least a couple years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one with a brain is going to take a fastracked warp speed vaccine cooked up in a few months when it takes many years to develop and test a safe vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one with a brain is going to take a fastracked warp speed vaccine cooked up in a few months when it takes many years to develop and test a safe vaccine. "

Feck me did you nod off?

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"No one with a brain is going to take a fastracked warp speed vaccine cooked up in a few months when it takes many years to develop and test a safe vaccine. "

Are you capable of any sort of conversation without being nasty?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No one with a brain is going to take a fastracked warp speed vaccine cooked up in a few months when it takes many years to develop and test a safe vaccine. "

Why do you feel the need to negate others' opinions if they differ from yours? Are you that insecure in your reasoning?

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By *j48Man
over a year ago

Wigan

Nothing..

It mutates so is a waste of time and money (my time and the NHS's money)

Take it as it comes..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What would change your mind? "

Nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What would change your mind?

Nothing"

Nor me.

I would have Oxford vaccine straight away. It IS going through all the normal tests in parallel rather than series....the speed difference is same as old computing to new.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

U bet they would line up in droves if it becomes mandatory to travel abroad

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What would change your mind?

Nothing

Nor me.

I would have Oxford vaccine straight away. It IS going through all the normal tests in parallel rather than series....the speed difference is same as old computing to new."

You ought to post here what you have elsewhere: the whys and wherefores vaccines normally take so long and why cv19 is different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one with a brain is going to take a fastracked warp speed vaccine cooked up in a few months when it takes many years to develop and test a safe vaccine.

Are you capable of any sort of conversation without being nasty?"

He actually has a point as unless it's tested for years to find dangerous side effects I won't be taking it.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

like others have said either after extensive testing or when at least a year or so of it being given has passed.my own view on a vaccine is i dont think they will find one.keep hearing we are close to one but who really knows for sure.that could just be being put out to give the masses hope.my self think its gona be a case of natural selection.hey if it wipes out enough of us we wil have at least saved the planet.mother nature eh...what a bitch lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What would change your mind?

Nothing

Nor me.

I would have Oxford vaccine straight away. It IS going through all the normal tests in parallel rather than series....the speed difference is same as old computing to new.

You ought to post here what you have elsewhere: the whys and wherefores vaccines normally take so long and why cv19 is different. "

If you have read it I'm sure others can.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What would change your mind?

Nothing

Nor me.

I would have Oxford vaccine straight away. It IS going through all the normal tests in parallel rather than series....the speed difference is same as old computing to new.

You ought to post here what you have elsewhere: the whys and wherefores vaccines normally take so long and why cv19 is different.

If you have read it I'm sure others can....."

It's pertinent here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah who would want a vaccine anyway? It's not as if vaccines have saved many millions of lives. And it's not as if vaccination eradicated smallpox from the world. Or as if we've damn near eradicated polio.

Wait...

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"U bet they would line up in droves if it becomes mandatory to travel abroad "

doubt that will happen the countrys that rely on tourism are already on there arse.they not gona make it difficult for people to travel and spend miney in there countrys.look how pissed of spain is about the restrictions we have put in place.they not gina turn away money.its what makes the world function

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By *lceeWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I work for the tech and data arm of the NHS...we’re heavily involved in the Oxford vaccine trials on the data side.

Thanks to the work we are doing, instead of taking months and even years to bring together cohorts of volunteers to trial the vaccine, we are pinpointing potential trialers in hours. That is the main way in which the trials are sped up.

I’ve put myself forward as a guinea pig and will be happy to trial any potential vaccines if and when they need me - it’s important to start determining how we can manage this new strain and if I can help with that, why on earth wouldn’t I?

I know the work intimately now and they are not playing fast and loose with people’s lives. Those vaccines undergo significant testing before they ever reach a human. While it is true that long term effects can’t be determined in a short period of time...that’s exactly the same with the flu jab. It changes every single year. We still get it in the health service at least, because it’s worth it.

Anyone here can sign up for the trials if they are interested...just go on the NHS website and search for covid-19 vaccine trials. The sooner we get a handle on this, the sooner we can start rebuilding properly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work for the tech and data arm of the NHS...we’re heavily involved in the Oxford vaccine trials on the data side.

Thanks to the work we are doing, instead of taking months and even years to bring together cohorts of volunteers to trial the vaccine, we are pinpointing potential trialers in hours. That is the main way in which the trials are sped up.

I’ve put myself forward as a guinea pig and will be happy to trial any potential vaccines if and when they need me - it’s important to start determining how we can manage this new strain and if I can help with that, why on earth wouldn’t I?

I know the work intimately now and they are not playing fast and loose with people’s lives. Those vaccines undergo significant testing before they ever reach a human. While it is true that long term effects can’t be determined in a short period of time...that’s exactly the same with the flu jab. It changes every single year. We still get it in the health service at least, because it’s worth it.

Anyone here can sign up for the trials if they are interested...just go on the NHS website and search for covid-19 vaccine trials. The sooner we get a handle on this, the sooner we can start rebuilding properly.

"

It's a nice change on here to hear facts from somebody who knows what they're talking about.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Yes good to hear/read

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one with a brain is going to take a fastracked warp speed vaccine cooked up in a few months when it takes many years to develop and test a safe vaccine. "

Nice

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I work for the tech and data arm of the NHS...we’re heavily involved in the Oxford vaccine trials on the data side.

Thanks to the work we are doing, instead of taking months and even years to bring together cohorts of volunteers to trial the vaccine, we are pinpointing potential trialers in hours. That is the main way in which the trials are sped up.

I’ve put myself forward as a guinea pig and will be happy to trial any potential vaccines if and when they need me - it’s important to start determining how we can manage this new strain and if I can help with that, why on earth wouldn’t I?

I know the work intimately now and they are not playing fast and loose with people’s lives. Those vaccines undergo significant testing before they ever reach a human. While it is true that long term effects can’t be determined in a short period of time...that’s exactly the same with the flu jab. It changes every single year. We still get it in the health service at least, because it’s worth it.

Anyone here can sign up for the trials if they are interested...just go on the NHS website and search for covid-19 vaccine trials. The sooner we get a handle on this, the sooner we can start rebuilding properly.

"

Thank you

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By *andR510Couple
over a year ago

St Neots/Wisbech


"No one with a brain is going to take a fastracked warp speed vaccine cooked up in a few months when it takes many years to develop and test a safe vaccine. "

You need to Google swine flu vaccine deaths.

That vaccine went through way quicker, yet it was still rolled out in schools.

But as you have a massive brain, you'd already have known that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work for the tech and data arm of the NHS...we’re heavily involved in the Oxford vaccine trials on the data side.

Thanks to the work we are doing, instead of taking months and even years to bring together cohorts of volunteers to trial the vaccine, we are pinpointing potential trialers in hours. That is the main way in which the trials are sped up.

I’ve put myself forward as a guinea pig and will be happy to trial any potential vaccines if and when they need me - it’s important to start determining how we can manage this new strain and if I can help with that, why on earth wouldn’t I?

I know the work intimately now and they are not playing fast and loose with people’s lives. Those vaccines undergo significant testing before they ever reach a human. While it is true that long term effects can’t be determined in a short period of time...that’s exactly the same with the flu jab. It changes every single year. We still get it in the health service at least, because it’s worth it.

Anyone here can sign up for the trials if they are interested...just go on the NHS website and search for covid-19 vaccine trials. The sooner we get a handle on this, the sooner we can start rebuilding properly.

"

Vaccines are normally tested over long periods of time to determine long term side effects. If this comes along in the next few months you could see everyone that took it have serious health issues in years to come. It's happened before with other vaccines. Not sure how to spell it but what about thlydamites?

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster


"U bet they would line up in droves if it becomes mandatory to travel abroad

doubt that will happen the countrys that rely on tourism are already on there arse.they not gona make it difficult for people to travel and spend miney in there countrys.look how pissed of spain is about the restrictions we have put in place.they not gina turn away money.its what makes the world function"
you keep believing that

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By *uyfrombristolMan
over a year ago

Bristol


"No one with a brain is going to take a fastracked warp speed vaccine cooked up in a few months when it takes many years to develop and test a safe vaccine.

Why do you feel the need to negate others' opinions if they differ from yours? Are you that insecure in your reasoning? "

How was that nasty or negating anyone's opinion? They simply appeared to be stating their own.

As for me, probably not in the short term. I'd need to see evidence of effectiveness and safely first. Live is full of risk, the best you can do is mitigate and there's no right answer for everyone.

I personally feel this site is being overcautious now, but I can see the need to protect themselves from actively endorsing people to meet. That said, they've been tacitly complicit for weeks as that's how long people have been openly posting statuses asking for meets without being banned.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I work for the tech and data arm of the NHS...we’re heavily involved in the Oxford vaccine trials on the data side.

Thanks to the work we are doing, instead of taking months and even years to bring together cohorts of volunteers to trial the vaccine, we are pinpointing potential trialers in hours. That is the main way in which the trials are sped up.

I’ve put myself forward as a guinea pig and will be happy to trial any potential vaccines if and when they need me - it’s important to start determining how we can manage this new strain and if I can help with that, why on earth wouldn’t I?

I know the work intimately now and they are not playing fast and loose with people’s lives. Those vaccines undergo significant testing before they ever reach a human. While it is true that long term effects can’t be determined in a short period of time...that’s exactly the same with the flu jab. It changes every single year. We still get it in the health service at least, because it’s worth it.

Anyone here can sign up for the trials if they are interested...just go on the NHS website and search for covid-19 vaccine trials. The sooner we get a handle on this, the sooner we can start rebuilding properly.

Vaccines are normally tested over long periods of time to determine long term side effects. If this comes along in the next few months you could see everyone that took it have serious health issues in years to come. It's happened before with other vaccines. Not sure how to spell it but what about thlydamites?"

Thalidomide was not a vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Thalidomide comment deserves to be answered clearly. As a poster already stated, it was not a vaccine.

More importantly, the problem with Thalidomide arose due to an aspect of chemistry we did not truly appreciate at that time. A thing called chirality. We are now very aware of this factor. It is taken account of when manufacturing drugs, these days.

So there will be no problem like there was with Thalidomide.

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By *uv2kissMan
over a year ago

fenland


"U bet they would line up in droves if it becomes mandatory to travel abroad "

When I was traveling all over the world in my late teens, I had to see the doctor for Smallpox, Yellow fever, Malaria you make it.

Malaria you had to keep taking after you got back as well

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"U bet they would line up in droves if it becomes mandatory to travel abroad

doubt that will happen the countrys that rely on tourism are already on there arse.they not gona make it difficult for people to travel and spend miney in there countrys.look how pissed of spain is about the restrictions we have put in place.they not gina turn away money.its what makes the world functionyou keep believing that "

i will thanks very much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing will change our minds. We done trust the government, to me (Mrs) it feels like we are been conditioned and herded to a certain Direction xx

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"Nothing will change our minds. We done trust the government, to me (Mrs) it feels like we are been conditioned and herded to a certain Direction xx"

think more and more are dtarting to think that.dont get me wrong i do think this virus is real just think people have seen an opportunity to use it to there advantage.make people scared then easier to get them to accept stuff they wouldnt normally.7 billion of us on earth and nit even half a million have died.way they carry on its like half of us have been wiped out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing will change our minds. We done trust the government, to me (Mrs) it feels like we are been conditioned and herded to a certain Direction xx

think more and more are dtarting to think that.dont get me wrong i do think this virus is real just think people have seen an opportunity to use it to there advantage.make people scared then easier to get them to accept stuff they wouldnt normally.7 billion of us on earth and nit even half a million have died.way they carry on its like half of us have been wiped out"

Totally agree

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

The same as what everyone else has already said. It needs time to show of any longer term side effects.

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By *amrod400Man
over a year ago

belfast

You won’t be needing a vaccine , near 7 percent of population have had COVID-19.. herd immunity is on its way

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By *ustKeepSwinging999Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I work for the tech and data arm of the NHS...we’re heavily involved in the Oxford vaccine trials on the data side.

Thanks to the work we are doing, instead of taking months and even years to bring together cohorts of volunteers to trial the vaccine, we are pinpointing potential trialers in hours. That is the main way in which the trials are sped up

"

Interesting to read another side. One of my oldest school friends works as a biomedical research scientist for a private pharma - they've launched several research teams onto this, and she has also said she wouldn't feel comfortable having a vaccine any time soon.

Whilst your point about finding extra volunteers is valid about how trials are sped up, it still doesn't negate the requirement for longer term, more widespread tests. How do you know that in 18 months time, someone exposed to a common cold or who starts new meds doesn't have massive repercussive side effects?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You won’t be needing a vaccine , near 7 percent of population have had COVID-19.. herd immunity is on its way "

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"U bet they would line up in droves if it becomes mandatory to travel abroad "

Yes travel would be the one thing that would change my mind.

I can do my best to live a normal life and try to stay safe etc but missing traveling.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"You won’t be needing a vaccine , near 7 percent of population have had COVID-19.. herd immunity is on its way "

So i guess it might be 800,000 deaths in the uk but we get herd immunity is it a price worth paying if my sums are right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mistrust of expertly researched and produced vaccinations is ridiculous. It's an incredibly powerful tool that has saved many, many lives.

This mistrust is the end result of people believing any old nonsense because they read it on social media. All while doubting actual experts who know what they're talking about.

It's the equivalent of saying "yeah, that immunologist said it's ok. But my mate Kevin down the pub reckons it's well dodgy."

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

As I understand it, Covid viruses are nothing new and there may already have much work on them. It`s just now that any work has been ramped up so while it may appear that a vaccine may have been "rushed", the actual solution may well be not that far away! Because we`ve more than likely never heard of Covid it doesn`t mean that the boffins haven`t.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"You won’t be needing a vaccine , near 7 percent of population have had COVID-19.. herd immunity is on its way "

Oh dear.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

Ppl seem to forget that it's a worldwide priority and has the best scientists in the world working day and night on it ,I'm of the opinion it will be a safe vaccine

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

No issue with people concerned enough to get it straight away. Go for it if it gives you peace.

I won't be volunteering for it until I'm comfortable that there's no potential risk involved.

I'd take exposure to the virus itself and quarantine for a few weeks over a vaccination that has been supposedly produced, tested and green lighted for the public in the space of a couple of years.

But that's just me. What others do is none of my concern.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"Years of testing to demonstrate no side effects.

Also, it's a virus - they mutate,they have strains; what happens then? You have to have a flu vaccine every year - will this be the same?

And how come we've never found a vaccine or cure for the common cold? I just lack faith in it tbh."

Why do we need a vaccine for the common cold? It's not exactly deadly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve been selected to take part in the vaccine trial and accepted, had the 1st jab 4 weeks ago and feel fine. Only side effects I’ve experienced from it was a sore arm for 2 days and a temperature of 38°c the following day. Back next Friday for a check up

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall


"What would change your mind? "

Fully tested and approved over a long period of time, the way they are rushing this through as a vaccine is asking for trouble in my opinion. It's hard as it's seems a urgent and time sensitive problem but in actual fact they need to make sure it's working and there are no long term side effects, for Christ's sakes they don't even know who has it and how long current immunity is so no way they can say with certainty that a vaccine is working and safe.

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall

If I was in any kind of risk catagory I might think differently and be first in line for it if that were the case

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"What would change your mind?

Fully tested and approved over a long period of time, the way they are rushing this through as a vaccine is asking for trouble in my opinion. It's hard as it's seems a urgent and time sensitive problem but in actual fact they need to make sure it's working and there are no long term side effects, for Christ's sakes they don't even know who has it and how long current immunity is so no way they can say with certainty that a vaccine is working and safe. "

The peer reviewed reports on the vaccine, including its trials, will include all of the information on effectiveness, safety and levels of certainty etc. Those are fully needed before a medicine can be submitted for approval. Each approval authority has different requirements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having looked this thread in it’s full entirety it’s is sad to see how little trust there is in recent scientific developments.

The speed of development of a vaccine is unprecedented.

The irony is that while this government is banking on a vaccine to get them out of trouble - their handling of this crisis has lead to a huge degree of distrust in authority and science- not enough people will want to be vaccinated for it to be effective.

For the record- I will be seeking to be vaccinated , hopefully by the oxford vaccine. The likelihood of side effects

is minuscule compared to the good I will

contribute to mankind.

I am fit and healthy but I do not want to get long haul Covid-19

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly


"No one with a brain is going to take a fastracked warp speed vaccine cooked up in a few months when it takes many years to develop and test a safe vaccine.

You need to Google swine flu vaccine deaths.

That vaccine went through way quicker, yet it was still rolled out in schools.

But as you have a massive brain, you'd already have known that ? "

Googled it

I can’t see this one being much better

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

Just watched a documentary on c4 about the search for the vaccine. The oxford one was not started from scretch but was already in development in december and has been modified for covid.have a look then decide and comment

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just watched a documentary on c4 about the search for the vaccine. The oxford one was not started from scretch but was already in development in december and has been modified for covid.have a look then decide and comment "

If I remember correctly I think they started working on it originally for the sars outbreak which they stopped because it disappeared.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What would change your mind?

Fully tested and approved over a long period of time, the way they are rushing this through as a vaccine is asking for trouble in my opinion. It's hard as it's seems a urgent and time sensitive problem but in actual fact they need to make sure it's working and there are no long term side effects, for Christ's sakes they don't even know who has it and how long current immunity is so no way they can say with certainty that a vaccine is working and safe. "

Few things to point out. Firstly vaccines like the flu are completely new every year. So new vaccines can be created. Secondly are you a biologist with life time experiance? These people know far more about this stuff than 99 percent of people could ever understand. All vaccines as someone said are peer reviewed and go through several trials before being approved. It's not so much fast tracking it as you say, it's about the complex approval process being more slick, the trials will provide all the same data as any other drug or medical device available has. Long term effect may well be unknown but so are the long term effects of having COVID-19. So far for some who have had COVID 19 not in the high risk group, they have severe scarring on their lungs that will never heal so that's an alternative fait.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing will change our minds. We done trust the government, to me (Mrs) it feels like we are been conditioned and herded to a certain Direction xx

think more and more are dtarting to think that.dont get me wrong i do think this virus is real just think people have seen an opportunity to use it to there advantage.make people scared then easier to get them to accept stuff they wouldnt normally.7 billion of us on earth and nit even half a million have died.way they carry on its like half of us have been wiped out

Totally agree "
I also agree

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Nothing would change my mind to have a vaccine ..., don’t trust the Gov at the best of times . I dont have vaccinations I have a immune system for that . And I’m front line services as well ... worked all through from March without PPE too .

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

The brain washing from the Gov has worked on those in society who believe everything they are spoon fed ... some people are falsely under the impression the Gov care for us !!!! Yeah sure . I’m making sure my finances are sorted ... I’m starting to grow my own veg etc cos you can be sure the next bit will be dood shortages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work for the tech and data arm of the NHS...we’re heavily involved in the Oxford vaccine trials on the data side.

Thanks to the work we are doing, instead of taking months and even years to bring together cohorts of volunteers to trial the vaccine, we are pinpointing potential trialers in hours. That is the main way in which the trials are sped up.

I’ve put myself forward as a guinea pig and will be happy to trial any potential vaccines if and when they need me - it’s important to start determining how we can manage this new strain and if I can help with that, why on earth wouldn’t I?

I know the work intimately now and they are not playing fast and loose with people’s lives. Those vaccines undergo significant testing before they ever reach a human. While it is true that long term effects can’t be determined in a short period of time...that’s exactly the same with the flu jab. It changes every single year. We still get it in the health service at least, because it’s worth it.

Anyone here can sign up for the trials if they are interested...just go on the NHS website and search for covid-19 vaccine trials. The sooner we get a handle on this, the sooner we can start rebuilding properly.

Vaccines are normally tested over long periods of time to determine long term side effects. If this comes along in the next few months you could see everyone that took it have serious health issues in years to come. It's happened before with other vaccines. Not sure how to spell it but what about thlydamites?

Thalidomide was not a vaccine. "

I know that but I was trying to get the point across about rigorous testing

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