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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts?" I suppose if your'e prepared to risk a disease spread doubling up every few days it's apt that you risk the fine you pay doubling up every time you do it. | |||
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"But anyone can download the pdf saying they're exempt from wearing one. You don't need any proof so itl be extremely difficult to hand out any fines." Hopefully they will end that...otherwise your right. They have to fill the loopholes if they are serious about it. | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts? I suppose if your'e prepared to risk a disease spread doubling up every few days it's apt that you risk the fine you pay doubling up every time you do it." I'm with you on it but as my other reply they have to plug the holes we have first.  | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts? I suppose if your'e prepared to risk a disease spread doubling up every few days it's apt that you risk the fine you pay doubling up every time you do it. I'm with you on it but as my other reply they have to plug the holes we have first. "We have speed limits yet people break them. It's always going to happen, that's the price we pay for not living in a totalitarian state. | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts? I suppose if your'e prepared to risk a disease spread doubling up every few days it's apt that you risk the fine you pay doubling up every time you do it. I'm with you on it but as my other reply they have to plug the holes we have first.
We have speed limits yet people break them. It's always going to happen, that's the price we pay for not living in a totalitarian state."Yep but you cant download a pdf to say your exempt from speeding...and you and I know this has the capacity to kill far more then speeding does.. | |||
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"Who will inforce it ,the police wont there is not enough man power ,like they said its not there job ..." You could get people to work self employed on the door at tesco fo 50% of the fine...going on my visit last night they would make a fortune.. | |||
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"unless there gona employ 100,000 extra police across the country i cant see them being able to police it properly." Look up^ ^ ^ | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts?" How many have actually been fined for this, breach of quarantine, providing no track and trace etc... Its just pathetic hot air... Enforce it or stop threatening it. | |||
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"Who will inforce it ,the police wont there is not enough man power ,like they said its not there job ..." The police have all but disappeared since this started. Ive not seen a foot patrol in 5 months and hardly seen a traffic cop either. Seen plenty of serco though.... | |||
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"Who will inforce it ,the police wont there is not enough man power ,like they said its not there job ..." They only need to do it once if it's you and you'll regret it ... Random checks are being made for people claiming exemptions and the fines are MUCH higher if you go to court after being found guilty if deception. Go ahead fill yer boots anyone who wants to try it. | |||
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"It's a false threat to try and gain some control over the already manic situation that has been created by our goverment. Media propaganda is the cheapest way to install fear into the masses in the hope they take heed. " What do our government gain by installing fear in the masses? Supposing it is true... What is their motivation? | |||
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"I think that people who do not wear a mask correctly should be included in that then. Sick of seen people with them over the mouth but not over the nose. May aswel not have one on if that's how they wear them. Over 100 people were fined for breaching quarantine in the round about area were i live. Tickets were given and then pursued if not paid. Had a few in the cells in the police station I'm based in for it. But that was for non payment of the ticket. Potentially how it could be enforced in a back handed way?? " Now that is good information and probably would be useful if there was some mainstream news about actual enforcement... I've not seen or heard of any enforcement where I am. | |||
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"It's a false threat to try and gain some control over the already manic situation that has been created by our goverment. Media propaganda is the cheapest way to install fear into the masses in the hope they take heed. What do our government gain by installing fear in the masses? Supposing it is true... What is their motivation? " Nothing really, however they need to be seen doing something. Tabloid media is a great platform for getting messages across regardless if the message may be true or not. This post is the perfect example of this. | |||
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"It's a false threat to try and gain some control over the already manic situation that has been created by our goverment. Media propaganda is the cheapest way to install fear into the masses in the hope they take heed. What do our government gain by installing fear in the masses? Supposing it is true... What is their motivation? " It's simply negative reinforcement, just like speed cameras that aren't working, no film in. It's a step to push towards compliance. Like cameras, there's the chance you get caught and fined (those that are working). It's not about abject fear. | |||
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"It's a false threat to try and gain some control over the already manic situation that has been created by our goverment. Media propaganda is the cheapest way to install fear into the masses in the hope they take heed. What do our government gain by installing fear in the masses? Supposing it is true... What is their motivation? It's simply negative reinforcement, just like speed cameras that aren't working, no film in. It's a step to push towards compliance. Like cameras, there's the chance you get caught and fined (those that are working). It's not about abject fear. " One caught me on a 20mph a fortnight back 
It was a manned one though. And for this to work they need men/ women to enforce it with a law behind them...its not rocket science...just put people on temp contracts until we all stop speeding and wear masks... | |||
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"It's a false threat to try and gain some control over the already manic situation that has been created by our goverment. Media propaganda is the cheapest way to install fear into the masses in the hope they take heed. What do our government gain by installing fear in the masses? Supposing it is true... What is their motivation? It's simply negative reinforcement, just like speed cameras that aren't working, no film in. It's a step to push towards compliance. Like cameras, there's the chance you get caught and fined (those that are working). It's not about abject fear. One caught me on a 20mph a fortnight back
It was a manned one though. And for this to work they need men/ women to enforce it with a law behind them...its not rocket science...just put people on temp contracts until we all stop speeding and wear masks..."I agree they wii have to set examples (preferably of one of the govts own  ). | |||
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"I wear a mask in the odd time I go inside a shop but to be honest the science on them is so weak I personally feel it shouldn't be mandatory." I wear one and think it should be mandatory...sick to death of seeing fit arrogant feckers not wearing them. Oh and if someone comes back on this disability issue...I have severe emphysema and its bullshit imo. | |||
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"unless there gona employ 100,000 extra police across the country i cant see them being able to police it properly. Look up^ ^ ^" just seen your idea that wont work.most stores are telling staff not to confront people as thats not there job and i dont think you can hand out fines unless you have some sort of authority.i not looking for loopholes i wear a mask if i going shopping just from walkibg around here there are plenty who aint | |||
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"if they have difficulty wearing one they won’t need to be incubated in ICU if they contract a sever cast of covid Should you put yourself at risk by not wearing one? If you have heath issues? Re-evaluation of furlough, only for the people who need it with genuine doctor signed exemptions (but if your poor health says you can’t wear one should you put yourself at risk?) £1,000+ on the spot fine for not wearing a mask and removal from furlough and made to pay back the money they’ve received already. Might make a difference but doubtful "You must assume it's only people with breathing difficulties that can't wear them  | |||
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"My understanding is that the science has come along leaps and bounds and it's now pretty clearly of benefit. It's also our best hope of getting the economy restarted safely. Distance, where you can't distance then best distance you can plus mask." Except looking at the figures for Spain since they introduced mandatory face covering even outdoors in mid July their test positivity percentage has gone 6.2% to the most recent rate of 6.2%. Hence why I'm fairly relaxed about it. | |||
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"if they have difficulty wearing one they won’t need to be incubated in ICU if they contract a sever cast of covid Should you put yourself at risk by not wearing one? If you have heath issues? Re-evaluation of furlough, only for the people who need it with genuine doctor signed exemptions (but if your poor health says you can’t wear one should you put yourself at risk?) £1,000+ on the spot fine for not wearing a mask and removal from furlough and made to pay back the money they’ve received already. Might make a difference but doubtful
You must assume it's only people with breathing difficulties that can't wear them "They don’t effect your breathing | |||
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"It's a false threat to try and gain some control over the already manic situation that has been created by our goverment. Media propaganda is the cheapest way to install fear into the masses in the hope they take heed. What do our government gain by installing fear in the masses? Supposing it is true... What is their motivation? It's simply negative reinforcement, just like speed cameras that aren't working, no film in. It's a step to push towards compliance. Like cameras, there's the chance you get caught and fined (those that are working). It's not about abject fear. One caught me on a 20mph a fortnight back
It was a manned one though. And for this to work they need men/ women to enforce it with a law behind them...its not rocket science...just put people on temp contracts until we all stop speeding and wear masks...
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"if they have difficulty wearing one they won’t need to be incubated in ICU if they contract a sever cast of covid Should you put yourself at risk by not wearing one? If you have heath issues? Re-evaluation of furlough, only for the people who need it with genuine doctor signed exemptions (but if your poor health says you can’t wear one should you put yourself at risk?) £1,000+ on the spot fine for not wearing a mask and removal from furlough and made to pay back the money they’ve received already. Might make a difference but doubtful
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They don’t effect your breathing "Never said it did but you implied that's the only reason not to wear them | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts?" They don’t have the manpower To police it let alone enforce it. People don’t care. | |||
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"if they have difficulty wearing one they won’t need to be incubated in ICU if they contract a sever cast of covid Should you put yourself at risk by not wearing one? If you have heath issues? Re-evaluation of furlough, only for the people who need it with genuine doctor signed exemptions (but if your poor health says you can’t wear one should you put yourself at risk?) £1,000+ on the spot fine for not wearing a mask and removal from furlough and made to pay back the money they’ve received already. Might make a difference but doubtful
You must assume it's only people with breathing difficulties that can't wear them
They don’t effect your breathing
Never said it did but you implied that's the only reason not to wear them "I know where your coming from and people who have a geniune history of suffering with anxiety is the only ones I'd allow to be exempt. | |||
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"if they have difficulty wearing one they won’t need to be incubated in ICU if they contract a sever cast of covid Should you put yourself at risk by not wearing one? If you have heath issues? Re-evaluation of furlough, only for the people who need it with genuine doctor signed exemptions (but if your poor health says you can’t wear one should you put yourself at risk?) £1,000+ on the spot fine for not wearing a mask and removal from furlough and made to pay back the money they’ve received already. Might make a difference but doubtful
You must assume it's only people with breathing difficulties that can't wear them
They don’t effect your breathing
Never said it did but you implied that's the only reason not to wear them
I know where your coming from and people who have a geniune history of suffering with anxiety is the only ones I'd allow to be exempt. "Our daughter as a condition that anything touching her face hurts her she will never be wearing a mask | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts? They don’t have the manpower To police it let alone enforce it. ****People don’t care.****" **** THIS is the problem.  | |||
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" ****People don’t care.**** **** THIS is the problem. "Agreed. This is about the community not the individual | |||
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" ****People don’t care.**** **** THIS is the problem.
Agreed.
This is about the community not the individual"Yep. The start of lockdown was great. People helping each other. But now....  | |||
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"if they have difficulty wearing one they won’t need to be incubated in ICU if they contract a sever cast of covid Should you put yourself at risk by not wearing one? If you have heath issues? Re-evaluation of furlough, only for the people who need it with genuine doctor signed exemptions (but if your poor health says you can’t wear one should you put yourself at risk?) £1,000+ on the spot fine for not wearing a mask and removal from furlough and made to pay back the money they’ve received already. Might make a difference but doubtful
You must assume it's only people with breathing difficulties that can't wear them
They don’t effect your breathing
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" ****People don’t care.**** **** THIS is the problem.
Agreed.
This is about the community not the individual
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The start of lockdown was great. People helping each other.
But now.... "There are still pockets of it. But the need is rising and the will is falling. | |||
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" ****People don’t care.**** **** THIS is the problem.
Agreed.
This is about the community not the individual
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The start of lockdown was great. People helping each other.
But now.... "Yep it's all the fault of them buggers who were shielding,that is stopping them getting on with their lifes  | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. " Citations needed. | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts?" Excellent news if true...only adjustment I would make would be start at £1000 and keep doubling with no limits. Its a shame people need a financial penalty to help out their community though. | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. Citations needed." My sister who rang the hospital to be told a relative had covid on a death certificate when she had been tested negative. One for starters as it’s a bit personal for here. | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. Citations needed. My sister who rang the hospital to be told a relative had covid on a death certificate when she had been tested negative. One for starters as it’s a bit personal for here. " Data? Research? Not anecdotes? | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts? Excellent news if true...only adjustment I would make would be start at £1000 and keep doubling with no limits. Its a shame people need a financial penalty to help out their community though." I'd be inclined to say, no mask, no entry. Here's a number for a cheap service, funded by the NHS if you can prove medical need, to get you what you need. Can't/ won't wear a mask? Stay home. | |||
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"Do some research and you will find it. Don’t just believe the bbc. I am not doing it for you. If you want you keep your head in the sand. " "Research" doesn't mean random Googling. The truth is out there, but so is a lot of horse shit. | |||
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"Hardly random. Or you watching what I am Looking at? We don’t agree. Move on. " I asked you for sources. I thought you were in support of people educating themselves? What am I looking for? | |||
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"if they have difficulty wearing one they won’t need to be incubated in ICU if they contract a sever cast of covid Should you put yourself at risk by not wearing one? If you have heath issues? I have proof of ashma and carry my inhalers, still get funny looks as I don't wear a mask Re-evaluation of furlough, only for the people who need it with genuine doctor signed exemptions (but if your poor health says you can’t wear one should you put yourself at risk?) £1,000+ on the spot fine for not wearing a mask and removal from furlough and made to pay back the money they’ve received already. Might make a difference but doubtful
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"It's a false threat to try and gain some control over the already manic situation that has been created by our goverment. Media propaganda is the cheapest way to install fear into the masses in the hope they take heed. What do our government gain by installing fear in the masses? Supposing it is true... What is their motivation? "
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"I think they should make some show of enforcement. But they should do a better job explaining to people why we do it and how to wear a mask. Cooperation is better than punishment." why when it was announced wearing of masks to be worn in shops etc did they tell people it would be 2 weeks later. Why not start on day announced or even bk in March? | |||
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"So putting up the fine for not wearing a mask, is this the same mask that didn't work when over a 1000 a day dying. But now work when 10 a day die, you couldn't make it up. " Science examines the evidence. When we learn more, we find out more. Research was done. More was learned. You're welcome | |||
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"I think that people who do not wear a mask correctly should be included in that then. Sick of seen people with them over the mouth but not over the nose. May aswel not have one on if that's how they wear them. Over 100 people were fined for breaching quarantine in the round about area were i live. Tickets were given and then pursued if not paid. Had a few in the cells in the police station I'm based in for it. But that was for non payment of the ticket. Potentially how it could be enforced in a back handed way?? " Is failing to pay a ticket in England an arrestable offence ? Surely there is a mandatory period that the ticket is to be paid. Having said that they would then have to monitor the period and then have to enquire as to why the individual has not paid . Then arrest them detain them for how long ? And if they still. Ant pay ? | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts? Excellent news if true...only adjustment I would make would be start at £1000 and keep doubling with no limits. Its a shame people need a financial penalty to help out their community though. I'd be inclined to say, no mask, no entry. Here's a number for a cheap service, funded by the NHS if you can prove medical need, to get you what you need. Can't/ won't wear a mask? Stay home." Totally agree with you and as yet I haven't seen retailers selling masks at the door which would be a good move | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts? Excellent news if true...only adjustment I would make would be start at £1000 and keep doubling with no limits. Its a shame people need a financial penalty to help out their community though. I'd be inclined to say, no mask, no entry. Here's a number for a cheap service, funded by the NHS if you can prove medical need, to get you what you need. Can't/ won't wear a mask? Stay home." Can't wear a mask stay home. You going to pay half our income then? As my wife can't wear a mask even at work she is allowed to wear a visor instead. Maybe doctors should supply exemption notes. | |||
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"Seen lots of people being irresponsible but no fines anywhere. It's not being enforced. Spoke to a staff member in a well known freezer shop yesterday and she was told from her bosses to let anyone in regardless or she would be sacked!!" Did you ask those lots of people why they were not wearing them ? Or are you just one of those judgemental people without knowing the facts. | |||
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"if they have difficulty wearing one they won’t need to be incubated in ICU if they contract a sever cast of covid Should you put yourself at risk by not wearing one? If you have heath issues? Re-evaluation of furlough, only for the people who need it with genuine doctor signed exemptions (but if your poor health says you can’t wear one should you put yourself at risk?) £1,000+ on the spot fine for not wearing a mask and removal from furlough and made to pay back the money they’ve received already. Might make a difference but doubtful
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They don’t effect your breathing
Never said it did but you implied that's the only reason not to wear them
I know where your coming from and people who have a geniune history of suffering with anxiety is the only ones I'd allow to be exempt.
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"Seen lots of people being irresponsible but no fines anywhere. It's not being enforced. Spoke to a staff member in a well known freezer shop yesterday and she was told from her bosses to let anyone in regardless or she would be sacked!! Did you ask those lots of people why they were not wearing them ? Or are you just one of those judgemental people without knowing the facts." Personally I get on about my business and keep extra distance. The only people I judge are those who say they don't because they don't want to. | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. Citations needed. My sister who rang the hospital to be told a relative had covid on a death certificate when she had been tested negative. One for starters as it’s a bit personal for here. " How many relatives does this woman have for gods sake. There’s loads of the posting about her all the time on tinternet. | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts? Excellent news if true...only adjustment I would make would be start at £1000 and keep doubling with no limits. Its a shame people need a financial penalty to help out their community though. I'd be inclined to say, no mask, no entry. Here's a number for a cheap service, funded by the NHS if you can prove medical need, to get you what you need. Can't/ won't wear a mask? Stay home. Can't wear a mask stay home. You going to pay half our income then? As my wife can't wear a mask even at work she is allowed to wear a visor instead. Maybe doctors should supply exemption notes. I mean face protection. But during a pandemic, if you're vulnerable no non essential travel, if you're not protect others. Is my bottom line. She is a key worker. She has had the virus and apart from the 2 weeks isolation she has worked right through it all. Work is essential travel. I'm more thinking, everyone shopping in Tesco should be covered up. If they can't, they should get someone to do their shopping for them. Or a proper doctor's note. They should be able to supply them. It would stop the judging. I wear a mask she can't. I would like to see anyone berate her for not wearing one in my presence. " Yes I'd never berate anyone in person, I don't know why they're not wearing a mask. I'll just keep my distance. And as I say outside when avoiding people, "it's not you, it's everyone" Online those shouting about communism etc - yeah I'm judging. | |||
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"So putting up the fine for not wearing a mask, is this the same mask that didn't work when over a 1000 a day dying. But now work when 10 a day die, you couldn't make it up. Science examines the evidence. When we learn more, we find out more. Research was done. More was learned. You're welcome" Exactly, it used to be OK to smoke, then we found out it was slowly killing you... The science developed over time and then so did the guidance and eventually the law. Just because we didn't understand something back in March, or misjudged it, doesn't mean we should for ever make the same misjudgement. | |||
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"I think they should make some show of enforcement. But they should do a better job explaining to people why we do it and how to wear a mask. Cooperation is better than punishment.why when it was announced wearing of masks to be worn in shops etc did they tell people it would be 2 weeks later. Why not start on day announced or even bk in March? " Time to purchase. | |||
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"if they have difficulty wearing one they won’t need to be incubated in ICU if they contract a sever cast of covid Should you put yourself at risk by not wearing one? If you have heath issues? Re-evaluation of furlough, only for the people who need it with genuine doctor signed exemptions (but if your poor health says you can’t wear one should you put yourself at risk?) £1,000+ on the spot fine for not wearing a mask and removal from furlough and made to pay back the money they’ve received already. Might make a difference but doubtful
You must assume it's only people with breathing difficulties that can't wear them
They don’t effect your breathing
Never said it did but you implied that's the only reason not to wear them
I know where your coming from and people who have a geniune history of suffering with anxiety is the only ones I'd allow to be exempt.
Our daughter as a condition that anything touching her face hurts her she will never be wearing a mask
Try a visor then"Visor still go on the forehead
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. Citations needed. My sister who rang the hospital to be told a relative had covid on a death certificate when she had been tested negative. One for starters as it’s a bit personal for here. How many relatives does this woman have for gods sake. There’s loads of the posting about her all the time on tinternet. Yes. The plural of anecdote is not data, and sometimes the plural of anecdote is fiction." In some circumstances it can be deemed qualitative data, but of no point on social media. If it's a first person narrative, that's more believable. | |||
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"So putting up the fine for not wearing a mask, is this the same mask that didn't work when over a 1000 a day dying. But now work when 10 a day die, you couldn't make it up. Science examines the evidence. When we learn more, we find out more. Research was done. More was learned. You're welcome" so they never worked with a virus before, come on it's stinks of bullshit. Wear a mask to stop spreading it, but shop worker's don't carry the virus so don't have to wear one. And people believe this crap. | |||
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"So putting up the fine for not wearing a mask, is this the same mask that didn't work when over a 1000 a day dying. But now work when 10 a day die, you couldn't make it up. Science examines the evidence. When we learn more, we find out more. Research was done. More was learned. You're welcomeso they never worked with a virus before, come on it's stinks of bullshit. Wear a mask to stop spreading it, but shop worker's don't carry the virus so don't have to wear one. And people believe this crap. " And yet you expect people to believe yours? | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. " There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 | |||
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"So putting up the fine for not wearing a mask, is this the same mask that didn't work when over a 1000 a day dying. But now work when 10 a day die, you couldn't make it up. Science examines the evidence. When we learn more, we find out more. Research was done. More was learned. You're welcomeso they never worked with a virus before, come on it's stinks of bullshit. Wear a mask to stop spreading it, but shop worker's don't carry the virus so don't have to wear one. And people believe this crap. And yet you expect people to believe yours? " please tell me where I wrong. I waiting | |||
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"I wear a mask in the odd time I go inside a shop but to be honest the science on them is so weak I personally feel it shouldn't be mandatory." This is simply NOT true. There is ample evidence. Google mask, Petri dish, covid-19 | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 " How very charitable and honest of you to use the lowest annual recorded flu deaths in the last 6 years to make your point. The average from 2014-19 being 17,000 per year according to public health england. The highest in the period being 28,330 in the 2014/15 flu season. So that makes it roughly what, half as deadly as COVID19... and yet we didnt have national lockdowns and the kinds of stasi behaviour we see today (and in this very thread in fact) | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 How very charitable and honest of you to use the lowest annual recorded flu deaths in the last 6 years to make your point. The average from 2014-19 being 17,000 per year according to public health england. The highest in the period being 28,330 in the 2014/15 flu season. So that makes it roughly what, half as deadly as COVID19... and yet we didnt have national lockdowns and the kinds of stasi behaviour we see today (and in this very thread in fact) " Exactly...we had a lockdown. I would not like to think what the death rate would have been without it. Scientists are saying if we had locked down two weeks earlier ..it could have saved 20000 deaths. It doesn't bear thinking about what it would have been if we didn't have it. | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 How very charitable and honest of you to use the lowest annual recorded flu deaths in the last 6 years to make your point. The average from 2014-19 being 17,000 per year according to public health england. The highest in the period being 28,330 in the 2014/15 flu season. So that makes it roughly what, half as deadly as COVID19... and yet we didnt have national lockdowns and the kinds of stasi behaviour we see today (and in this very thread in fact) Exactly...we had a lockdown. I would not like to think what the death rate would have been without it. Scientists are saying if we had locked down two weeks earlier ..it could have saved 20000 deaths. It doesn't bear thinking about what it would have been if we didn't have it." We'll never know, but for the vast majority of people the only difference between that scenario and now is that in that scenario they would probably still have their jobs come new year. | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 How very charitable and honest of you to use the lowest annual recorded flu deaths in the last 6 years to make your point. The average from 2014-19 being 17,000 per year according to public health england. The highest in the period being 28,330 in the 2014/15 flu season. So that makes it roughly what, half as deadly as COVID19... and yet we didnt have national lockdowns and the kinds of stasi behaviour we see today (and in this very thread in fact) Exactly...we had a lockdown. I would not like to think what the death rate would have been without it. Scientists are saying if we had locked down two weeks earlier ..it could have saved 20000 deaths. It doesn't bear thinking about what it would have been if we didn't have it. We'll never know, but for the vast majority of people the only difference between that scenario and now is that in that scenario they would probably still have their jobs come new year. " Theres a answer to that...but I dont want to fetch the b word into it. | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 How very charitable and honest of you to use the lowest annual recorded flu deaths in the last 6 years to make your point. The average from 2014-19 being 17,000 per year according to public health england. The highest in the period being 28,330 in the 2014/15 flu season. So that makes it roughly what, half as deadly as COVID19... and yet we didnt have national lockdowns and the kinds of stasi behaviour we see today (and in this very thread in fact) Exactly...we had a lockdown. I would not like to think what the death rate would have been without it. Scientists are saying if we had locked down two weeks earlier ..it could have saved 20000 deaths. It doesn't bear thinking about what it would have been if we didn't have it. We'll never know, but for the vast majority of people the only difference between that scenario and now is that in that scenario they would probably still have their jobs come new year. " But the vast majority have kept their jobs. | |||
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"So putting up the fine for not wearing a mask, is this the same mask that didn't work when over a 1000 a day dying. But now work when 10 a day die, you couldn't make it up. Science examines the evidence. When we learn more, we find out more. Research was done. More was learned. You're welcomeso they never worked with a virus before, come on it's stinks of bullshit. Wear a mask to stop spreading it, but shop worker's don't carry the virus so don't have to wear one. And people believe this crap. " | |||
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"I wear a mask in the odd time I go inside a shop but to be honest the science on them is so weak I personally feel it shouldn't be mandatory. This is simply NOT true. There is ample evidence. Google mask, Petri dish, covid-19 " Can you explain why the test positivity percentage has not changed in Spain since mid July when they introduced mandatory mask wearing including outdoor places. Mid July 6.2% latest figures 6.2%. It may help slightly but not to the extent were demonising strangers who we know nothing of their individual circumstances. | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 How very charitable and honest of you to use the lowest annual recorded flu deaths in the last 6 years to make your point. The average from 2014-19 being 17,000 per year according to public health england. The highest in the period being 28,330 in the 2014/15 flu season. So that makes it roughly what, half as deadly as COVID19... and yet we didnt have national lockdowns and the kinds of stasi behaviour we see today (and in this very thread in fact) " I suggest if you're going to compare anything here to the Stasis, you might want to read some history. | |||
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"People moan about having to wear a mask and can't breathe yet Surgeons have worn masks for years. Point me to evidence that suggests masks cause occupational asphyxiation otherwise. If you apparently can't breathe, you're probably the worst at risk if you get the virus
Wrong my mrs can't wear a mask.
She had mild symptoms from the virus.
While I struggled with it for 3 weeks."Does your mrs use a steroid inhaler? Genuine question...not a trick one. | |||
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Wrong my mrs can't wear a mask.
She had mild symptoms from the virus.
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Wrong my mrs can't wear a mask.
She had mild symptoms from the virus.
While I struggled with it for 3 weeks.
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Wrong my mrs can't wear a mask.
She had mild symptoms from the virus.
While I struggled with it for 3 weeks.
Does your mrs use a steroid inhaler?
Genuine question...not a trick one.
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Wrong my mrs can't wear a mask.
She had mild symptoms from the virus.
While I struggled with it for 3 weeks.
Does your mrs use a steroid inhaler?
Genuine question...not a trick one.
Yes and I have seen the report on the research they are doing on them.
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Wrong my mrs can't wear a mask.
She had mild symptoms from the virus.
While I struggled with it for 3 weeks.
Does your mrs use a steroid inhaler?
Genuine question...not a trick one.
Yes and I have seen the report on the research they are doing on them.
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts? Excellent news if true...only adjustment I would make would be start at £1000 and keep doubling with no limits. Its a shame people need a financial penalty to help out their community though. I'd be inclined to say, no mask, no entry. Here's a number for a cheap service, funded by the NHS if you can prove medical need, to get you what you need. Can't/ won't wear a mask? Stay home. Can't wear a mask stay home. You going to pay half our income then? As my wife can't wear a mask even at work she is allowed to wear a visor instead. Maybe doctors should supply exemption notes. I mean face protection. But during a pandemic, if you're vulnerable no non essential travel, if you're not protect others. Is my bottom line. She is a key worker. She has had the virus and apart from the 2 weeks isolation she has worked right through it all. Work is essential travel. I'm more thinking, everyone shopping in Tesco should be covered up. If they can't, they should get someone to do their shopping for them. Or a proper doctor's note. They should be able to supply them. It would stop the judging. I wear a mask she can't. I would like to see anyone berate her for not wearing one in my presence. I agree with the doctors note as a exemption. What I dont agree with is if people get asked to show it, then get all upperty about it. That is what the note would be for "Maybe I have read this incorrectly, and if so apologies in advance! But why should it be the business of a complete stranger to know why you aren’t on the exclusion list? I read a really sad article on the guardian website the other day about a r*** victim who has panic attacks when she has something covering her face, because of the nature of her attack. Would you really want a situation where that person HAS to explain that? It’s not being uppity to want to keep medical and/or medical conditions private. | |||
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Maybe I have read this incorrectly, and if so apologies in advance! But why should it be the business of a complete stranger to know why you aren’t on the exclusion list? I read a really sad article on the guardian website the other day about a r*** victim who has panic attacks when she has something covering her face, because of the nature of her attack. Would you really want a situation where that person HAS to explain that? It’s not being uppity to want to keep medical and/or medical conditions private. "Yes you have really read it wrong. I was referring to people being challenged if not wearing a mask to enter a public place. What you have brought to this in mentioning a article that you read has nothing to do with this. And believe me I dont need to read a article on that as I have first hand experience of that. Totally out of order to try and mix the two together | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 How very charitable and honest of you to use the lowest annual recorded flu deaths in the last 6 years to make your point. The average from 2014-19 being 17,000 per year according to public health england. The highest in the period being 28,330 in the 2014/15 flu season. So that makes it roughly what, half as deadly as COVID19... and yet we didnt have national lockdowns and the kinds of stasi behaviour we see today (and in this very thread in fact) We have the most recent available year - 2019 - for comparison, when the population would be potentially most similar to this, the subsequent year. What is the comparison between the covid-19 death levels to date, with the UK lockdown that was made and the probable death levels, from covid-19, if there had been no lockdown? Late in March this year - start of lockdown - the exponential growth rate of covid-19 infections was doubling every 2 or 3 days. It's feasible that that increased infection rate could have occurred almost every day, without lockdown. Figures from you, for the predicted numbers of infections and deaths, if the lockdown had not been done, would be interesting, to compare like-for-like with flu numbers, where we don't have lockdown. " The population demographics havent massively shifted in terms of propensity to die from Flu or Covid since 2014, what does change every year however is the particular strains of the flu and the effectiveness of the vaccines. Your decision therefore to use only the most recent data, rather than an aggregate figure over a number of years is dubious at best. I agree that it would be interesting to see the figures for a non-lockdown situation and sadly we are never going to have a definitive answer. We can look to Sweden for SOME indication where they have comparable death rates. Many suggest that their population density is substantially lower and that therefore their results would be completely incomparable, though id be interested to see if this is true in any practical sense outside of London. Sweden has large areas of uninhabited land with some substantial urban centres. Hong Kong for example would be deemed to have an extremely low population density once it was averaged out over the rest of China (as it sadly will be shortly). Id be surprised if the average population density within the average urban environment in the Sweden was substantially different to the UK in most cases For example, looking at the capitals: Stockholm - 13,000 per square mile London - 15,328 per square mile Difference - 17.9077% So yes, a fair difference, but not enough to explain why if the lockdown was so necessary and essential that Sweden was able to achieve similar results without any such measures. | |||
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" I agree with the doctors note as a exemption. What I dont agree with is if people get asked to show it, then get all upperty about it. That is what the note would be for
Maybe I have read this incorrectly, and if so apologies in advance! But why should it be the business of a complete stranger to know why you aren’t on the exclusion list? I read a really sad article on the guardian website the other day about a r*** victim who has panic attacks when she has something covering her face, because of the nature of her attack. Would you really want a situation where that person HAS to explain that? It’s not being uppity to want to keep medical and/or medical conditions private.
Yes you have really read it wrong.
I was referring to people being challenged if not wearing a mask to enter a public place. What you have brought to this in mentioning a article that you read has nothing to do with this. And believe me I dont need to read a article on that as I have first hand experience of that. Totally out of order to try and mix the two together
"Well okay, as I said in my original post- I apologise if I misread. There’s no need to be so aggressive. I’m still not entirely clear what your point is though- I’m suggesting that people shouldn’t be challenged about the mask wearing, because it could be an extremely sensitive issue. I’m still not clear on whether or not we are in agreement on that one, but either way, I’m sorry to hear about your first hand experience of the matter the article brings up. Dx | |||
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" Maybe I have read this incorrectly, and if so apologies in advance! But why should it be the business of a complete stranger to know why you aren’t on the exclusion list? I read a really sad article on the guardian website the other day about a r*** victim who has panic attacks when she has something covering her face, because of the nature of her attack. Would you really want a situation where that person HAS to explain that? It’s not being uppity to want to keep medical and/or medical conditions private. If I made the system it'd be, you must have a letter. It wouldn't say "Person has (intimate details about medical history)". It'd be "Person has a condition which means that they cannot wear a face covering. Signed, their actual doctor"" Agreed | |||
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So pay into the nhs all our lives then pay for an exempt note ?
Dont think so.
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"Why do the over stretched And under manned police have to be called to a shop or patrol that shop to enforce the wearing Of masks when staff and management fail to enforce the policy. Staff or security at door. No mask , no entry unless you are exempt . Job done. No police needed. " the shops dont want there staff enforcing it.my daughters ship have told the staff not to confront anyone as could put them in danger of conflict.we have about 12 police on any one shift for a town of nearly 30,000 people the old bill have dealing burglarys and violebce to police round here.if a shop rings up about masks they could be waiting cpl of days for police to get back to them | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 How very charitable and honest of you to use the lowest annual recorded flu deaths in the last 6 years to make your point. The average from 2014-19 being 17,000 per year according to public health england. The highest in the period being 28,330 in the 2014/15 flu season. So that makes it roughly what, half as deadly as COVID19... and yet we didnt have national lockdowns and the kinds of stasi behaviour we see today (and in this very thread in fact) Exactly...we had a lockdown. I would not like to think what the death rate would have been without it. Scientists are saying if we had locked down two weeks earlier ..it could have saved 20000 deaths. It doesn't bear thinking about what it would have been if we didn't have it. We'll never know, but for the vast majority of people the only difference between that scenario and now is that in that scenario they would probably still have their jobs come new year. But the vast majority have kept their jobs." kept there jobs for now.our place for example we laid nearly 30 peoole off last month.the rest of us have been told we could be following end of october when furlough ends.us who have ben kept on still aint returned to work.and lots of freinds are in same boat.when furlough ends unemployment WILL be going up even more.we have concession in harrods tis time of year with tourists they should be getting 90,000 a day through the doors right now its about 11,000 a day | |||
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"Seen lots of people being irresponsible but no fines anywhere. It's not being enforced. Spoke to a staff member in a well known freezer shop yesterday and she was told from her bosses to let anyone in regardless or she would be sacked!! Did you ask those lots of people why they were not wearing them ? Or are you just one of those judgemental people without knowing the facts." Wearing masks covering mouth but not nose, removing them to talk to people and I know some of these people personally and they don't have health issues so those are the facts. So no I'm only judgemental of stupid people. | |||
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"We must wear a mask stay home crash the economy, destroy our children future. Because 99.992% survive but that's 0 008% mostly over 80 die. That's about 40,000 thats stats by the ONS, I give up trying to make sense of it all. Now overall deaths are running at -450 per day." Well fortunately you don't need to, there are highly qualified people already doing that. | |||
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"Who will inforce it ,the police wont there is not enough man power ,like they said its not there job ... You could get people to work self employed on the door at tesco fo 50% of the fine...going on my visit last night they would make a fortune.. " Can’t detain someone to fine them. All the door could do is refuse entry . Good luck random public holding people for police to arrive and issue the fine . | |||
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"People moan about having to wear a mask and can't breathe yet Surgeons have worn masks for years. Point me to evidence that suggests masks cause occupational asphyxiation otherwise. If you apparently can't breathe, you're probably the worst at risk if you get the virus
Wrong my mrs can't wear a mask.
She had mild symptoms from the virus.
While I struggled with it for 3 weeks.
Does your mrs use a steroid inhaler?
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"It's a false threat to try and gain some control over the already manic situation that has been created by our goverment. Media propaganda is the cheapest way to install fear into the masses in the hope they take heed. " | |||
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"I wear a mask in the odd time I go inside a shop but to be honest the science on them is so weak I personally feel it shouldn't be mandatory." | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. " 100% | |||
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"Do some research and you will find it. Don’t just believe the bbc. I am not doing it for you. If you want you keep your head in the sand. " | |||
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"Do some research and you will find it. Don’t just believe the bbc. I am not doing it for you. If you want you keep your head in the sand. "I was listening to an interview on mathematical modelling of disease risk of schools opening, and another one on the evolution of the genetics of SARS-COVID-2. All on top of my own research, and still wearing my mask to save lives. Cheers | |||
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"They need to get money in somehow. It’s ludicrous. The whole thing is. 99.8% people survive this. It’s no Worse than A flu which 37000 people die from every year and there isn’t this fuss. 5000 people have been knocked off the tally this week as they didn’t die of this virus. How many more will that turn out to be? I know loads of cases of this. It’s an absolute shit show and people need to get their heads out the sand now. We are being played folks and if you carry on your mask wearing you are just where they want you. There were 1,223 UK deaths from flu in 2019 - source Office for National Statistics. The failed trope that flu isn't very significantly different from the much worse covid-19, is long dead. I'll repeat 2019 deaths from flu again, for simplicity and clarity 1, 223 people died from flu 2019 How very charitable and honest of you to use the lowest annual recorded flu deaths in the last 6 years to make your point. The average from 2014-19 being 17,000 per year according to public health england. The highest in the period being 28,330 in the 2014/15 flu season. So that makes it roughly what, half as deadly as COVID19... and yet we didnt have national lockdowns and the kinds of stasi behaviour we see today (and in this very thread in fact) Exactly...we had a lockdown. I would not like to think what the death rate would have been without it. Scientists are saying if we had locked down two weeks earlier ..it could have saved 20000 deaths. It doesn't bear thinking about what it would have been if we didn't have it. We'll never know, but for the vast majority of people the only difference between that scenario and now is that in that scenario they would probably still have their jobs come new year. But the vast majority have kept their jobs. kept there jobs for now.our place for example we laid nearly 30 peoole off last month.the rest of us have been told we could be following end of october when furlough ends.us who have ben kept on still aint returned to work.and lots of freinds are in same boat.when furlough ends unemployment WILL be going up even more.we have concession in harrods tis time of year with tourists they should be getting 90,000 a day through the doors right now its about 11,000 a day" They are predicting a worse case scenario of 10% unemployment. I'm not sure where you get the idea that the majority are going to lose their job. My son got laid off at the start of lockdown. He starts his new job on Monday. I've not worked since February though still officially on the company books I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually let me go. | |||
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"People moan about having to wear a mask and can't breathe yet Surgeons have worn masks for years. Point me to evidence that suggests masks cause occupational asphyxiation otherwise. If you apparently can't breathe, you're probably the worst at risk if you get the virus
Wrong my mrs can't wear a mask.
She had mild symptoms from the virus.
While I struggled with it for 3 weeks.
Does your mrs use a steroid inhaler?
Genuine question...not a trick one. Her personal circumstances have nothing to do with anyone else. "The reference point is possibly research into inhaler use (benefits over cv19). The couple/guy in question can choose to respond or not. | |||
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"Do some research and you will find it. Don’t just believe the bbc. I am not doing it for you. If you want you keep your head in the sand.
I was listening to an interview on mathematical modelling of disease risk of schools opening, and another one on the evolution of the genetics of SARS-COVID-2.
All on top of my own research, and still wearing my mask to save lives. Cheers " xx | |||
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"How can you be fined for something that is not illegal? the police do not have the power to fine anyone, only a court can do that. The police cannot arrest you for not wearing a mask, as its not a criminal offence. They can however issue a PCN, but they have to have you name address etc to issue it. the police are massively under strength anyway, by the time they get to the shop, you will have finished your shopping and be gone anyway, ( would love to know the shoplifting figures ) I have been out shopping on numerous occasions without a mask and no one has batted an eyelid or said anything, Its just more psychological warfare from Boris ps the staff on the doors at John Lewis are amazingly polite whether you are wearing a mask or not. " Believe me a lot of them who say feck all...will more then likely be thinking what a tosser | |||
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"All these threads about people not wearing masks when out in the real world it appears the vast majority are wearing masks. In fact I’ve yet to see any shoppers not wearing one. It’s as though people will just write something on the internet to get a reaction." I'm seeing compliance of 80%+. Usually 95%+ | |||
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"How can you be fined for something that is not illegal? the police do not have the power to fine anyone, only a court can do that. The police cannot arrest you for not wearing a mask, as its not a criminal offence. They can however issue a PCN, but they have to have you name address etc to issue it. the police are massively under strength anyway, by the time they get to the shop, you will have finished your shopping and be gone anyway, ( would love to know the shoplifting figures ) I have been out shopping on numerous occasions without a mask and no one has batted an eyelid or said anything, Its just more psychological warfare from Boris ps the staff on the doors at John Lewis are amazingly polite whether you are wearing a mask or not. Believe me a lot of them who say feck all...will more then likely be thinking what a tosser " | |||
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"At least they are thinking, rather than blindly following !!!!" "Thinking". I'm not sure that word means what you think it means | |||
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"All these threads about people not wearing masks when out in the real world it appears the vast majority are wearing masks. In fact I’ve yet to see any shoppers not wearing one. It’s as though people will just write something on the internet to get a reaction. I'm seeing compliance of 80%+. Usually 95%+" Yep, I'm seeing a similar level of compliance when I have been out round my way. | |||
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"At least they are thinking, rather than blindly following !!!!" And what Conclusion have these great thinkers Come to and what evidence have they based it on. | |||
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"All these threads about people not wearing masks when out in the real world it appears the vast majority are wearing masks. In fact I’ve yet to see any shoppers not wearing one. It’s as though people will just write something on the internet to get a reaction. I'm seeing compliance of 80%+. Usually 95%+ Yep, I'm seeing a similar level of compliance when I have been out round my way. " Compliance will be our way out of this mess. Most people get it | |||
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"At least they are thinking, rather than blindly following !!!!" Maybe sunshine...but as I've been wearing one for shopping since march. I can truly say I've followed no decker. Just used commonsense. | |||
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"At least they are thinking, rather than blindly following !!!! Maybe sunshine...but as I've been wearing one for shopping since march. I can truly say I've followed no decker. Just used commonsense. " Yeah I covered my germ holes before it was cool, too, although not as early as March. I watched the evidence change and got on board with coverings in April. | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8625305/3-200-fines-shunning-face-masks-Payment-100-doubling-repeat-offenders.html Ok it's the daily fail. But the gist of it is they are talking about fines starting at a £100 and doubling al the way up to £3200 for repeat offenders. Your thoughts?" Your being too nice. It's 2500 euros or six months here for not wearing one on public transport or in a gym. One lad already arrested but he did it on purpose to get arrested and is a far right clown so he deserves what is coming to him. | |||
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"You will have to ask the thinkers, i merely replied to someones remark, about people thinking i was a tosser !!!" I didn't say you where a tosser. It's just what I think when I see someone who doesn't wear a mask through choice rather then medical reasons. Sometimes I might get it wrong in my thoughts...hence why I dont call them a tosser. | |||
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"Who will inforce it ,the police wont there is not enough man power ,like they said its not there job ..." They haven't said it isn't their job, if it's illegal it is. They have said they don't have enough manpower to enforce it. And while us general public have no right to make someone prove a person is exempt the police and courts do have the power. | |||
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