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Literally my friend group are divided once again and I'm just in the middle trying to keep peace 
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"Out of my peer group I have noticed of my friends who wanted brexit, they are the ones who are calling bullshit on this virus. The ones who wanted Corbyn/Labour in are the ones who are hissing at people to socially distance in Aldi
Literally my friend group are divided once again and I'm just in the middle trying to keep peace
Is this virus political? "Some are using it to score political points or show how very independent they are. The virus and its situation are apolitical, but needs leadership and management to steer us through it. | |||
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"Out of my peer group I have noticed of my friends who wanted brexit, they are the ones who are calling bullshit on this virus. The ones who wanted Corbyn/Labour in are the ones who are hissing at people to socially distance in Aldi
Literally my friend group are divided once again and I'm just in the middle trying to keep peace
Is this virus political? "I don’t think it’s political as such .. there is a big divide in how people view the guidelines. My view is that it’s very selfish to be meeting or not socially distancing as you’re putting others lives at risk. In my actual life I don’t see anyone breaking the guidelines but the attitudes on here astounds me - I just don’t spend time with people who have little regard for the health of others tbh. | |||
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"The virus is not political but people have politicised it." Agreed | |||
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"Out of my peer group I have noticed of my friends who wanted brexit, they are the ones who are calling bullshit on this virus. The ones who wanted Corbyn/Labour in are the ones who are hissing at people to socially distance in Aldi
Literally my friend group are divided once again and I'm just in the middle trying to keep peace
Is this virus political? "Some people are using it for political capital, others to expound various theories in an unmedicated state. I find it quite odd that people should want to make use of a pandemic in any way, but hey, what do I know..? | |||
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"I think people have got to stop seeing covid as something that has any influence. It isn't nature getting it's own back or the earth's way of showing us the error of its ways. It's a virus that's just behaving like well...a virus. The way people are reacting to it, now that's something else all together" Yes. And the correct response doesn't depend on what you feel about Corbyn or Johnson or Trump or Brexit. It's within a range of parameters based on the data and evidence, influenced by your values and priorities. | |||
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"Out of my peer group I have noticed of my friends who wanted brexit, they are the ones who are calling bullshit on this virus. The ones who wanted Corbyn/Labour in are the ones who are hissing at people to socially distance in Aldi
Literally my friend group are divided once again and I'm just in the middle trying to keep peace
Is this virus political? "It is world wide how can it be political? | |||
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"The virus is not political but people have politicised it. Agreed " I think the way the government have dealt with it is wealth over health if you are right wing and believe that you make your own luck and ‘I’m alright jack pull up the ladder’ then you will agree if you’re left wing and believe that society is as strong as it’s weakest link you will be repulsed by the governments choices. Life is all about politics from where we shop, how we live, employment education everything so I don’t see how life and politics can be separate - pandemic or not. | |||
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"I'd not noticed any difference amongst the people that I know. There have been recognised *personnelity* ifferences amongst people of differing political learnings, even though not everyone is fixed in their party of support. There are also supporters of the EU across the political spectrum, though there were certain ideological differences. This isn't the political forum section, though it spans virus and politics, so we should keep the focus on the virus element. People who are for greater community cohesion and shared goals may be most in favour of shared responsibilities against the virus, so there may be overlap with desires for cohesive benefits of the common European area. It's an interesting topic. " *Personality* | |||
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"I think people have got to stop seeing covid as something that has any influence. It isn't nature getting it's own back or the earth's way of showing us the error of its ways. It's a virus that's just behaving like well...a virus. The way people are reacting to it, now that's something else all together" People are reacting like modern day people,like selfish idiots,society is sick and the virus amplifies it.Modern man is nastier than covid.,ie people born in this century | |||
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"Out of my peer group I have noticed of my friends who wanted brexit, they are the ones who are calling bullshit on this virus. The ones who wanted Corbyn/Labour in are the ones who are hissing at people to socially distance in Aldi
Literally my friend group are divided once again and I'm just in the middle trying to keep peace
Is this virus political? It is world wide how can it be political?"Well the Republicans in America I think mostly are calling bullshit on the virus and the Dems are the mask enforcers, so I think there is a worldwide aspect to it yes. I only really observe here and America mostly because of the language barrier of anywhere else. | |||
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"The virus is not political but people have politicised it. Agreed I think the way the government have dealt with it is wealth over health if you are right wing and believe that you make your own luck and ‘I’m alright jack pull up the ladder’ then you will agree if you’re left wing and believe that society is as strong as it’s weakest link you will be repulsed by the governments choices. Life is all about politics from where we shop, how we live, employment education everything so I don’t see how life and politics can be separate - pandemic or not. " Yes. But for me it's not tribal. I'd never vote Tory, she says, surprising no one. But at the beginning of lockdown I was right behind the government. Stay home, limit spread, support the NHS. Make this less of a catastrophe. (I even noted that there were legal irregularities in the process by which they instituted lockdown, but thought that could and should be overlooked for the sake of public health) If I continued to view their actions as helpful I'd say so. | |||
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"I think people have got to stop seeing covid as something that has any influence. It isn't nature getting it's own back or the earth's way of showing us the error of its ways. It's a virus that's just behaving like well...a virus. The way people are reacting to it, now that's something else all togetherPeople are reacting like modern day people,like selfish idiots,society is sick and the virus amplifies it.Modern man is nastier than covid.,ie people born in this century" Human beings have always been nasty it's not a modern day problem | |||
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"I think people have got to stop seeing covid as something that has any influence. It isn't nature getting it's own back or the earth's way of showing us the error of its ways. It's a virus that's just behaving like well...a virus. The way people are reacting to it, now that's something else all togetherPeople are reacting like modern day people,like selfish idiots,society is sick and the virus amplifies it.Modern man is nastier than covid.,ie people born in this century" So people up to 20 years old are ‘nastier than Covid’ ? Or in the last 100years... either way my grandfather was born just over 100 years ago and he was a horrible man! I know many people who have been born in the last century who are pretty pleasant, and a good deal of under 20s I know too. But you know, some people born in the last century are fuckwits! | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. " What a load of crap | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. " By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand | |||
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"The virus is real, Boris is a liar and a useless cnut" The virus is real, all politians are cnuts no matter what side | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. What a load of crap " Is it? Right wingers wanted freedom from Europe, and don't want to be told to wear masks. Whereas those on the left seem to want the opposite. Also believing every word the government tell them whilst simultaneously saying how badly the government has tackled the situation. | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand " I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? | |||
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" Is this virus political? It is world wide how can it be political?" The notion of setting a border and calling it a country separate from another 'bordered' country is what defines 'political'.  | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. What a load of crap Is it? Right wingers wanted freedom from Europe, and don't want to be told to wear masks. Whereas those on the left seem to want the opposite. Also believing every word the government tell them whilst simultaneously saying how badly the government has tackled the situation. " Hahaha oh. Dear. God - right oh. Can’t fix stupid so I’ll leave you with that thought. I really didn’t think people actually believed that hahhaha carry on its hilarious | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. What a load of crap " I'm really starting to doubt the debating ability of some fab members. Standards really have fallen. | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. What a load of crap Is it? Right wingers wanted freedom from Europe, and don't want to be told to wear masks. Whereas those on the left seem to want the opposite. Also believing every word the government tell them whilst simultaneously saying how badly the government has tackled the situation. Hahaha oh. Dear. God - right oh. Can’t fix stupid so I’ll leave you with that thought. I really didn’t think people actually believed that hahhaha carry on its hilarious " If you can't counter the position, just keep quiet. You'll look less silly.  | |||
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"The virus is real, Boris is a liar and a useless cnut" What is your favourite food?  | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian?" No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. What a load of crap Is it? Right wingers wanted freedom from Europe, and don't want to be told to wear masks. Whereas those on the left seem to want the opposite. Also believing every word the government tell them whilst simultaneously saying how badly the government has tackled the situation. Hahaha oh. Dear. God - right oh. Can’t fix stupid so I’ll leave you with that thought. I really didn’t think people actually believed that hahhaha carry on its hilarious If you can't counter the position, just keep quiet. You'll look less silly. "Hmm ..... you really do belong in a museum - this is fascinating ‘keep quiet woman’ how awfully 1950s | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. " Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible? | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible?" Eligible to do what? Drive? Vote? Keep quiet? Take the piss out of silly people online? Yes to all | |||
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"Is it possible to debate without becoming personal? Is this just another sign of the times? "I can't form a cohesive argument, so i will attack you and shout you down". Shame really. " You started with the insults I just appear to be better at it ... the shame is when people have the attitude that you have. | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible? Eligible to do what? Drive? Vote? Keep quiet? Take the piss out of silly people online? Yes to all " Well i believe your first point, but im seeing no evidence of your last two points to be honest. | |||
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"Is it possible to debate without becoming personal? Is this just another sign of the times? "I can't form a cohesive argument, so i will attack you and shout you down". Shame really. You started with the insults I just appear to be better at it ... the shame is when people have the attitude that you have. " Did i indeed? Hmmmm, let me have a look. Maybe i owe you an apology. | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible? Eligible to do what? Drive? Vote? Keep quiet? Take the piss out of silly people online? Yes to all Well i believe your first point, but im seeing no evidence of your last two points to be honest. " I never keep quiet least of all when a man tells me to and well you wouldn’t really get the last point now would you. | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible? Eligible to do what? Drive? Vote? Keep quiet? Take the piss out of silly people online? Yes to all Well i believe your first point, but im seeing no evidence of your last two points to be honest. I never keep quiet least of all when a man tells me to and well you wouldn’t really get the last point now would you. " Im just concerned that you don't have the ability. | |||
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"Being an idiot is not the sole territory of any political group. It's actually one of the few things all groups actually share." Absolutely.  | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible? Eligible to do what? Drive? Vote? Keep quiet? Take the piss out of silly people online? Yes to all Well i believe your first point, but im seeing no evidence of your last two points to be honest. I never keep quiet least of all when a man tells me to and well you wouldn’t really get the last point now would you. Im just concerned that you don't have the ability. " Ahh how sweet - don’t be concerned I’m fine. Off you pop now. | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible? Eligible to do what? Drive? Vote? Keep quiet? Take the piss out of silly people online? Yes to all Well i believe your first point, but im seeing no evidence of your last two points to be honest. I never keep quiet least of all when a man tells me to and well you wouldn’t really get the last point now would you. Im just concerned that you don't have the ability. Ahh how sweet - don’t be concerned I’m fine. Off you pop now. " Does your husband know you're up this late? | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible? Eligible to do what? Drive? Vote? Keep quiet? Take the piss out of silly people online? Yes to all Well i believe your first point, but im seeing no evidence of your last two points to be honest. I never keep quiet least of all when a man tells me to and well you wouldn’t really get the last point now would you. Im just concerned that you don't have the ability. Ahh how sweet - don’t be concerned I’m fine. Off you pop now. Does your husband know you're up this late?" Adds misogyny to the list | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible? Eligible to do what? Drive? Vote? Keep quiet? Take the piss out of silly people online? Yes to all Well i believe your first point, but im seeing no evidence of your last two points to be honest. I never keep quiet least of all when a man tells me to and well you wouldn’t really get the last point now would you. Im just concerned that you don't have the ability. Ahh how sweet - don’t be concerned I’m fine. Off you pop now. Does your husband know you're up this late? Adds misogyny to the list " I'll take that as a "no". | |||
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" Does your husband know you're up this late?" Oh Dear. 21 Century Man still living in an 18 Century way. Now that's sad indeed.  | |||
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"I think those on the left just like to feel controlled by the government more so than those freedom loving right wingers. By freedom loving you mean ‘I’ll do what I want whether it kills others or not I’ll get through it so let’s ask for a meet’ ahh I understand I assume you've sold your car just in case you hit a pedestrian? No I learn how to drive and I take my responsibilities as a driver seriously and don’t do it with reckless selfish abandonment but like how I live my life - with thought for others. As a Tory you won’t understand that concept though. Clearly you have no knowledge of my voting record. Are you eligible? Eligible to do what? Drive? Vote? Keep quiet? Take the piss out of silly people online? Yes to all Well i believe your first point, but im seeing no evidence of your last two points to be honest. I never keep quiet least of all when a man tells me to and well you wouldn’t really get the last point now would you. Im just concerned that you don't have the ability. Ahh how sweet - don’t be concerned I’m fine. Off you pop now. Does your husband know you're up this late? Adds misogyny to the list I'll take that as a "no". " Why? I could be single, windowed, gay or not in a. Relationship with a man that is in control of the time I go to bed. Or he could be lying next to me laughing at this thread ... | |||
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" Does your husband know you're up this late? Oh Dear. 21 Century Man still living in an 18 Century way. Now that's sad indeed. "It’s just madness isn’t it?  | |||
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"Perhaps but the economic impact will I suspect be worse than the virus itself, and I'm not saying that likely. I empathise with the families of those that have died, but that being said most (but not all) that have died were in poor health. We need to move past this with global unity and move on, sadly some will get it and die and others will not. All this being said prior to the lock-down you probably ran the same odds and getting killed by a bus whilst walking down the road. Its time to get back to work and get some sense of normality back in our lives. Yes we need to take precaution but we should all be back at work and trading as normal." What do you regard as an appropriate level of precaution? | |||
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"Out of my peer group I have noticed of my friends who wanted brexit, they are the ones who are calling bullshit on this virus. The ones who wanted Corbyn/Labour in are the ones who are hissing at people to socially distance in Aldi
Literally my friend group are divided once again and I'm just in the middle trying to keep peace
Is this virus political? "No the virus is not political. But there is a very vocal right-wing cohort that seem to be hell bent on trying to make it political. -Matt | |||
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"You are taught at a young age to look both ways before crossing the street right? It's for your safety right? You don't just blindly walk into the road right? So if you are told to wear a mask for yours and other safety you do it right? It's just common sense which obviously some people are seriously lacking." The mask thing has been bungled in the messaging. At first benefit wasn't clear, and there were concerns about shortages for those where they definitely need them and benefit from them. Evidence was gathered. Covering your face helps. But I don't think this has been explained well. | |||
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"You are taught at a young age to look both ways before crossing the street right? It's for your safety right? You don't just blindly walk into the road right? So if you are told to wear a mask for yours and other safety you do it right? It's just common sense which obviously some people are seriously lacking." Is it possible to be sensible but also not live in a Covid obsessed bubble and the opposite to not be reckless and rebellious to the fact this is happening and put yourself and others at risk? .... Is there a middle ground between over cautious and reckless? | |||
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"You are taught at a young age to look both ways before crossing the street right? It's for your safety right? You don't just blindly walk into the road right? So if you are told to wear a mask for yours and other safety you do it right? It's just common sense which obviously some people are seriously lacking. Is it possible to be sensible but also not live in a Covid obsessed bubble and the opposite to not be reckless and rebellious to the fact this is happening and put yourself and others at risk? .... Is there a middle ground between over cautious and reckless? " I totally agree people appear to be making excuses now to shit their own narrative. ‘If Cummings can do it etx’ ... wear a mask if you’re inside a building that isn’t your home and observe social distancing wirh everyone not in your household. The rules are clear I think. | |||
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"You are taught at a young age to look both ways before crossing the street right? It's for your safety right? You don't just blindly walk into the road right? So if you are told to wear a mask for yours and other safety you do it right? It's just common sense which obviously some people are seriously lacking. Is it possible to be sensible but also not live in a Covid obsessed bubble and the opposite to not be reckless and rebellious to the fact this is happening and put yourself and others at risk? .... Is there a middle ground between over cautious and reckless? " I'm over cautious, but yes. Keep your distance. Wear a mask indoors (and don't reduce your distance). Hand hygiene. Follow the rules. Watch your health. Be prepared to isolate if you're exposed. | |||
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" I totally agree people appear to be making excuses now to shit their own narrative. ‘If Cummings can do it etx’ ... wear a mask if you’re inside a building that isn’t your home and observe social distancing wirh everyone not in your household. The rules are clear I think. " And then some people can do just 'silly' Like me driving in for fuel - filling up then reaching into my car for my mask to go pay and dropping it on the floor in a puddle of Diesel - so - impro' take my bra off in the car fold the cups together and put that around my face. I swear nobody noticed, except for wondering perhaps why I was do everything one handed. | |||
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"You are taught at a young age to look both ways before crossing the street right? It's for your safety right? You don't just blindly walk into the road right? So if you are told to wear a mask for yours and other safety you do it right? It's just common sense which obviously some people are seriously lacking. Is it possible to be sensible but also not live in a Covid obsessed bubble and the opposite to not be reckless and rebellious to the fact this is happening and put yourself and others at risk? .... Is there a middle ground between over cautious and reckless? I totally agree people appear to be making excuses now to shit their own narrative. ‘If Cummings can do it etx’ ... wear a mask if you’re inside a building that isn’t your home and observe social distancing wirh everyone not in your household. The rules are clear I think. " | |||
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"This seems to be the way now with social media and traditional media turning everything in to a tribal thing. These ‘tribes’ tend to be grouped by a political affiliation. This then leads to various silly names being created for the opposing team, and any form of understanding shown to the opposite tribe results in instant ostracism. It’s an age old thing, and can be found in playgrounds all over the world, preference for blonde vs brunette, Sony vs xbox, apple vs Android. Unfortunately where social media echo chambers have now made this far reaching its also made it in to grown ups every day life too. Traditional media love to play everyone off and know the beat stories to fuel their sides hatred. We’re going to see it more and more - every big issue will cause it. An ability to show empathy or understanding to an opposite view is now seen as a weakness so the other side must be constantly mocked and name called calm discussion of both sides is to not even be considered." Well said. | |||
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"This seems to be the way now with social media and traditional media turning everything in to a tribal thing. These ‘tribes’ tend to be grouped by a political affiliation. This then leads to various silly names being created for the opposing team, and any form of understanding shown to the opposite tribe results in instant ostracism. It’s an age old thing, and can be found in playgrounds all over the world, preference for blonde vs brunette, Sony vs xbox, apple vs Android. Unfortunately where social media echo chambers have now made this far reaching its also made it in to grown ups every day life too. Traditional media love to play everyone off and know the beat stories to fuel their sides hatred. We’re going to see it more and more - every big issue will cause it. An ability to show empathy or understanding to an opposite view is now seen as a weakness so the other side must be constantly mocked and name called calm discussion of both sides is to not even be considered." So very true. | |||
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"Out of my peer group I have noticed of my friends who wanted brexit, they are the ones who are calling bullshit on this virus. The ones who wanted Corbyn/Labour in are the ones who are hissing at people to socially distance in Aldi
Literally my friend group are divided once again and I'm just in the middle trying to keep peace
Is this virus political? "Its just another round in the culture wars. | |||
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