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By *orkiecpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

York

Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What IS your point?

An unprecedented global event in our lifetime meaning govts cautiously applied lockdown and cautiously lifted restrictions due to a novel (new) virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe modelling predicted up to half a million deaths, with 20,000 being a "good" outcome. With or without number adjustment we are nearer the "good" number. So (taking emotions out of anyone's reasoning) are you suggesting with less deaths, the lockdown and subsequent consequences were worth that number?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Many of those who died could have had an undiagnosed condition, friend of mine had cancer they didnt know about,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The obvious point is... however much we divide up the figures, the death tally remains the same.

Covid deaths plus surplus deaths during the time of covid-19 is the one statistic that’s never changed. It’s also the statistic that clearly illustrates what a horrific effect this virus has had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many of those who died could have had an undiagnosed condition, friend of mine had cancer they didnt know about, "

That’s very sad to hear, do you know the severity? Cancer patients can have decades with successful treatment obviously, sorry to hear covid has robbed them of their future

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"What IS your point?

An unprecedented global event in our lifetime meaning govts cautiously applied lockdown and cautiously lifted restrictions due to a novel (new) virus. "

What lockdown? People have done as they like! We have never had a proper lockdown.....

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By *eastAndTheHarlotCouple
over a year ago

Hartlepool

You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

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By *aintscoupleCouple
over a year ago

st helens

Dont forget that there are thousands who are not on the list who also died of the virus before testing was introduced.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I honestly despair sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The obvious point is... however much we divide up the figures, the death tally remains the same.

Covid deaths plus surplus deaths during the time of covid-19 is the one statistic that’s never changed. It’s also the statistic that clearly illustrates what a horrific effect this virus has had.

"

Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. "

Source?

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ?? "
,,,,.. Channel 4 also reported that deaths had occurred where covid was not mentioned on the death certificate when it should have been , so the number which was lowered today should actually have been higher ,,Before the UK government altered the numbers today the UK was the worse country in Europe and 4th worse in the world , following the adjusted figures the UK is still the worse in Europe and is 5th in the world , something is clearly wrong

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ?? ,,,,.. Channel 4 also reported that deaths had occurred where covid was not mentioned on the death certificate when it should have been , so the number which was lowered today should actually have been higher ,,Before the UK government altered the numbers today the UK was the worse country in Europe and 4th worse in the world , following the adjusted figures the UK is still the worse in Europe and is 5th in the world , something is clearly wrong "

The main thing that is wrong, if you are looking at the statistics in isolation is that many Govs. use different methods of calculating figures. Some Govs. just don't report the truth full stop !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excess deaths. By far the most accurate way to judge Corona deaths is by excess deaths. Based on that, we've had 64,000+ deaths involving Corona at this point.(That calculation is far harder to massage than other figures.)

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Do we really live in a world where 64k extra deaths can be laughed off as no big deal?

Or 16k?

I have more human feeling than that.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ?? ,,,,.. Channel 4 also reported that deaths had occurred where covid was not mentioned on the death certificate when it should have been , so the number which was lowered today should actually have been higher ,,Before the UK government altered the numbers today the UK was the worse country in Europe and 4th worse in the world , following the adjusted figures the UK is still the worse in Europe and is 5th in the world , something is clearly wrong

The main thing that is wrong, if you are looking at the statistics in isolation is that many Govs. use different methods of calculating figures. Some Govs. just don't report the truth full stop !"
. ,,,,, agreed , the UK government used a different method of calculating the figures yesterday than it does today

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

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The maths aside, just because people didn't die in care homes doesn't immediately mean they didn't have a pre existing condition. Plenty with pre existing conditions died in hospital, at home, in ambulances etc. Whatever the Maths gymnastics, it remains true that the overwhelming majority of Covid deaths have been in people with known co-morbidities. That's not saying we shouldn't mourn their deaths, just stating the fact that the vast majority did have other health issues that predisposed more severe illness with Covid.

The ONS stats bear this out.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ?? ,,,,.. Channel 4 also reported that deaths had occurred where covid was not mentioned on the death certificate when it should have been , so the number which was lowered today should actually have been higher ,,Before the UK government altered the numbers today the UK was the worse country in Europe and 4th worse in the world , following the adjusted figures the UK is still the worse in Europe and is 5th in the world , something is clearly wrong

The main thing that is wrong, if you are looking at the statistics in isolation is that many Govs. use different methods of calculating figures. Some Govs. just don't report the truth full stop !. ,,,,, agreed , the UK government used a different method of calculating the figures yesterday than it does today "

They changed it today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2014 was a bad year for flu and 2000 was another. Covid has killed approx 2x those bad years.

Social distancing and proper hygiene has reduced it's effect hugely. And ironically will reduce flu death numbers next winter too.

The fact remains that you are far more likely to kill yourself by eating crap, smoking or drinking too much.

54k breast cancer deaths a year, 90 % of which are due to life style choices.

3 odd million type 2 diabetics shortening their life's the vast majority of which have brought it on them selves.

If you want to live a long happy life then take steps to live a healthy life.

Covid is now just another risk factor that's with us and it's not an enormous one in comparison to the harms we do ourselves...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess,

thats pretty callous .. the young adults will bounce back from this in time, those that have died dont get that chance"

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"The obvious point is... however much we divide up the figures, the death tally remains the same.

Covid deaths plus surplus deaths during the time of covid-19 is the one statistic that’s never changed. It’s also the statistic that clearly illustrates what a horrific effect this virus has had.

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Good Point

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By *ilancsguyMan
over a year ago

Burnley

The true death figure for this virus will never be known as there are too many variables that could result in a death not being counted when it should have been or vice versa.

Added to that some countries may have deliberately understated the figures. Its like comparing apples to oranges and saying they are alike.

However, the worrying thing is the impact of the recession... 10s of thousands of more jobs will vanish when furlough ends in October and during the recession in 2008 suicide rates shot up by 1000s... thats not death by Covid19.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

You do realise that people can happily live with health conditions for many years and even live full lives?

It shouldn't be the norm to think oh well they died of covid but they had an illness anyway so it doesn't matter. Most health conditions are not terminal

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By *r_Jake70Man
over a year ago

London


"2014 was a bad year for flu and 2000 was another. Covid has killed approx 2x those bad years.

Social distancing and proper hygiene has reduced it's effect hugely. And ironically will reduce flu death numbers next winter too.

The fact remains that you are far more likely to kill yourself by eating crap, smoking or drinking too much.

54k breast cancer deaths a year, 90 % of which are due to life style choices.

3 odd million type 2 diabetics shortening their life's the vast majority of which have brought it on them selves.

If you want to live a long happy life then take steps to live a healthy life.

Covid is now just another risk factor that's with us and it's not an enormous one in comparison to the harms we do ourselves..."

This kind of crap really boils my piss. Unhealthy live styles are not just about personal choice. Those living at the poorer end of our society have far less choice over what they eat through economic and social conditions. It’s easy to say it’s just about free choice and making the ‘right decisions’ but our socially had lost the ability to cook in a single generation, which coincidently has also seen a massive increase in fat and sugar laden food hitting the high streets. I grew up in a time when nearly all meals (icusing those are school) were made from scratch and eating in general was healthy because there was no other choice. The blame lies fairly and squarely with the manufactures and successive governments who have put profit above public health.

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By *r_Jake70Man
over a year ago

London


"Do we really live in a world where 64k extra deaths can be laughed off as no big deal?

Or 16k?

I have more human feeling than that."

Moreover, tens of thousands of people will live shortened and difficult lives because of the effects of covid. People have heart and lung weaknesses and a myriad of other long-term conditions that will be with them for the rest of their lives.

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By *lackCherry...Woman
over a year ago

North East


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ?? "

But the thinking is that without lockdown the number of deaths would be much higher, so its not for the sake of 16,000 - we can't predict how many would have died had the lockdown not been put in place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It seems tha PHE have fallen in line with Scotland who have the 28 day cut off time limit.

It’s a bit difficult to compare the U.K. handling of Covid with other nations when different nations in the union use different models.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"2014 was a bad year for flu and 2000 was another. Covid has killed approx 2x those bad years.

Social distancing and proper hygiene has reduced it's effect hugely. And ironically will reduce flu death numbers next winter too.

The fact remains that you are far more likely to kill yourself by eating crap, smoking or drinking too much.

54k breast cancer deaths a year, 90 % of which are due to life style choices.

3 odd million type 2 diabetics shortening their life's the vast majority of which have brought it on them selves.

If you want to live a long happy life then take steps to live a healthy life.

Covid is now just another risk factor that's with us and it's not an enormous one in comparison to the harms we do ourselves..."

Before I call it bullshit, just where on earth did you get the breast cancer stats?

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"2014 was a bad year for flu and 2000 was another. Covid has killed approx 2x those bad years.

Social distancing and proper hygiene has reduced it's effect hugely. And ironically will reduce flu death numbers next winter too.

The fact remains that you are far more likely to kill yourself by eating crap, smoking or drinking too much.

54k breast cancer deaths a year, 90 % of which are due to life style choices.

3 odd million type 2 diabetics shortening their life's the vast majority of which have brought it on them selves.

If you want to live a long happy life then take steps to live a healthy life.

Covid is now just another risk factor that's with us and it's not an enormous one in comparison to the harms we do ourselves...

Before I call it bullshit, just where on earth did you get the breast cancer stats? "

I am assuming the same place as most stats on here. Made up on the spot or found on a conspiracy site through Google.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"2014 was a bad year for flu and 2000 was another. Covid has killed approx 2x those bad years.

Social distancing and proper hygiene has reduced it's effect hugely. And ironically will reduce flu death numbers next winter too.

The fact remains that you are far more likely to kill yourself by eating crap, smoking or drinking too much.

54k breast cancer deaths a year, 90 % of which are due to life style choices.

3 odd million type 2 diabetics shortening their life's the vast majority of which have brought it on them selves.

If you want to live a long happy life then take steps to live a healthy life.

Covid is now just another risk factor that's with us and it's not an enormous one in comparison to the harms we do ourselves...

Before I call it bullshit, just where on earth did you get the breast cancer stats?

I am assuming the same place as most stats on here. Made up on the spot or found on a conspiracy site through Google."

There will be a correlation between overweight/obesity and breast cancer as age/menopause is the biggest factor, and this is when many women find gaining weight as a hormonal side effect. Correlation isn't causation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked. "

No I’m saying what ever way this is dressed up, 65k people have died as a result of the virus and our best efforts.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked.

No I’m saying what ever way this is dressed up, 65k people have died as a result of the virus and our best efforts."

But apparently many don't count so it's all fine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked.

No I’m saying what ever way this is dressed up, 65k people have died as a result of the virus and our best efforts."

Thank you for elucidating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"2014 was a bad year for flu and 2000 was another. Covid has killed approx 2x those bad years.

Social distancing and proper hygiene has reduced it's effect hugely. And ironically will reduce flu death numbers next winter too.

The fact remains that you are far more likely to kill yourself by eating crap, smoking or drinking too much.

54k breast cancer deaths a year, 90 % of which are due to life style choices.

3 odd million type 2 diabetics shortening their life's the vast majority of which have brought it on them selves.

If you want to live a long happy life then take steps to live a healthy life.

Covid is now just another risk factor that's with us and it's not an enormous one in comparison to the harms we do ourselves..."

Seriously, this just takes the biscuit. Firstly how wide is that brush you are slapping on facts with?

Secondly... you mention flu, we aren’t far off that season actually, for the past few years it’s put most of our Trusts at about 80-85% capacity with the clinical teams flat out.

We aren’t that far from that period and covid is still here. We are dead on our feet, we have lost significant staff through this period through the occasional death and long term sickness post recovery and we to be blunt are praying the admissions stay around the currently level because when we add in that season peak we are beyond our capacity and ability to help.

We can talk about 65k of deaths with whatever divides we want to apply to that but here’s another view. People have fought ridiculously hard to keep another 50k plus alive during this period and thankfully won through.

Whatever the politics we will come the end of October and be on a knife edge again, that’s guaranteed. My team will be back up to a 1:6 care ratio compared to our standard 1:1. If infections rise dramatically, then to be blunt we are fucked. Our ability to keep around 50-60% of the incoming alive will probably be out of our ability.

Someone mentioned about “piss boiling” earlier... in truth all this “my liberty, my freedom” crap boils mine, if it’s your mum, dad etc face down on a ventilator and again the consult is saying I’m sorry but we’ve done everything we can, I’ll be every bit as distraught as yourselves and your family. What I will really struggle with however is knowing that our ability was compromised by what I truly hope is a minority with such utter disregard for the health of us all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked.

No I’m saying what ever way this is dressed up, 65k people have died as a result of the virus and our best efforts.

But apparently many don't count so it's all fine "

Trust me they fucking count. If you sit holding their hands or accompany their 1 allowed relative for their last hours then a bit of shuffling the deck by some bellend in Whitehall doesn’t change the numbers in the slightest.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked.

No I’m saying what ever way this is dressed up, 65k people have died as a result of the virus and our best efforts.

But apparently many don't count so it's all fine

Trust me they fucking count. If you sit holding their hands or accompany their 1 allowed relative for their last hours then a bit of shuffling the deck by some bellend in Whitehall doesn’t change the numbers in the slightest."

I know. They count for me too. I don't understand this mindset at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked.

No I’m saying what ever way this is dressed up, 65k people have died as a result of the virus and our best efforts.

But apparently many don't count so it's all fine

Trust me they fucking count. If you sit holding their hands or accompany their 1 allowed relative for their last hours then a bit of shuffling the deck by some bellend in Whitehall doesn’t change the numbers in the slightest."

I wish a nurse's pay reflected just a fraction of what most nurses put into nursing of themselves, that's in addition to their skillset. Sadly ministers refusing an early review on pay speaks volumes about the heartless dickheads in power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked.

No I’m saying what ever way this is dressed up, 65k people have died as a result of the virus and our best efforts.

But apparently many don't count so it's all fine

Trust me they fucking count. If you sit holding their hands or accompany their 1 allowed relative for their last hours then a bit of shuffling the deck by some bellend in Whitehall doesn’t change the numbers in the slightest.

I wish a nurse's pay reflected just a fraction of what most nurses put into nursing of themselves, that's in addition to their skillset. Sadly ministers refusing an early review on pay speaks volumes about the heartless dickheads in power. "

I agree that nurses are underpaid however aren’t they part way through their last negotiated pay deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wish a nurse's pay reflected just a fraction of what most nurses put into nursing of themselves, that's in addition to their skillset. Sadly ministers refusing an early review on pay speaks volumes about the heartless dickheads in power. "

Agreed, I’ve seen ours do 14 hours pretty much straight through, plus the joy of an hour each side of that to get out of their PPE safely, shower etc before leaving to try and keep their families as safe as possible... Boris sure forgot those incredible girls quick enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked.

No I’m saying what ever way this is dressed up, 65k people have died as a result of the virus and our best efforts.

But apparently many don't count so it's all fine

Trust me they fucking count. If you sit holding their hands or accompany their 1 allowed relative for their last hours then a bit of shuffling the deck by some bellend in Whitehall doesn’t change the numbers in the slightest.

I wish a nurse's pay reflected just a fraction of what most nurses put into nursing of themselves, that's in addition to their skillset. Sadly ministers refusing an early review on pay speaks volumes about the heartless dickheads in power.

I agree that nurses are underpaid however aren’t they part way through their last negotiated pay deal."

Hence early review. It's up iin April.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you saying the OP's point is obvious? If so, it isn't to me, which is why I asked.

No I’m saying what ever way this is dressed up, 65k people have died as a result of the virus and our best efforts.

But apparently many don't count so it's all fine

Trust me they fucking count. If you sit holding their hands or accompany their 1 allowed relative for their last hours then a bit of shuffling the deck by some bellend in Whitehall doesn’t change the numbers in the slightest.

I wish a nurse's pay reflected just a fraction of what most nurses put into nursing of themselves, that's in addition to their skillset. Sadly ministers refusing an early review on pay speaks volumes about the heartless dickheads in power.

I agree that nurses are underpaid however aren’t they part way through their last negotiated pay deal.

Hence early review. It's up iin April. "

Okey dokey

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The method of counting Covid related deaths has now been standardised across the four nations of the UK.

At the outset, the Goverment used a different way of calculating across England, primarily as they didn't want to be seen as under-estimating the death figures.

Folowing representations by statiscians and medical professionals, the Goverment now counts covid death as per Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Its important as it allows future pandemic modeling to be consistent.

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By *aintscoupleCouple
over a year ago

st helens


"You do realise that people can happily live with health conditions for many years and even live full lives?

It shouldn't be the norm to think oh well they died of covid but they had an illness anyway so it doesn't matter. Most health conditions are not terminal"
Im asthmatic yet im healthier than most males my age, yet if i caught covid i would be classed as just another victim with an underlying health condition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

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Any deaths is unfortunate and no words can make those ppl come back.

But how much do we really care ..FOR THEM?

Or do we care for ourselves?

Do we care those homeless dying on the streets?

Those who commit suicide?

Dying from loneliness

Those figures alone goes well into their 10s thousands

What about all those starving.

Do we really reaaly care or is it a case that we cant do anything about that....but you can self isolate wear a mask etc.

600k died in 2019

Thats over 1.5k a day.

The 500k figure in the modelling actualy included those who would die under normal circumstances. They just conveniently left that bit out.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

Any deaths is unfortunate and no words can make those ppl come back.

But how much do we really care ..FOR THEM?

Or do we care for ourselves?

Do we care those homeless dying on the streets?

Those who commit suicide?

Dying from loneliness

Those figures alone goes well into their 10s thousands

What about all those starving.

Do we really reaaly care or is it a case that we cant do anything about that....but you can self isolate wear a mask etc.

600k died in 2019

Thats over 1.5k a day.

The 500k figure in the modelling actualy included those who would die under normal circumstances. They just conveniently left that bit out."

I beleive the number for deaths of people dying due to hunger this year exceeds 4,000,000 yep thats 4 million.

And yet we have a cure for hunger its called food and it works instantly.

If all these goverments around the world really care for every single life like they claim then why hasnt hunger been eradicated years ago.

Big pharmaceutical gets literally billions of funding, i mean look at the ppe shit show where just our goverment alone gave contracts worth hundreds of millions to their pals for ppe that either didnt come or was useless.

On a list of things people should be worried about, angry about, upset about, covid probably shouldnt even make it into the top 5.

Literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of children are trafficked, abused, tortured and even murdered every year and by very powerful people.

This and this alone should be the main issue people are getting angry about, not getting angry with fred from over the road who just went into the garage without a face mask on.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman
over a year ago

little old town of Reading!


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

Any deaths is unfortunate and no words can make those ppl come back.

But how much do we really care ..FOR THEM?

Or do we care for ourselves?

Do we care those homeless dying on the streets?

Those who commit suicide?

Dying from loneliness

Those figures alone goes well into their 10s thousands

What about all those starving.

Do we really reaaly care or is it a case that we cant do anything about that....but you can self isolate wear a mask etc.

600k died in 2019

Thats over 1.5k a day.

The 500k figure in the modelling actualy included those who would die under normal circumstances. They just conveniently left that bit out.

I beleive the number for deaths of people dying due to hunger this year exceeds 4,000,000 yep thats 4 million.

And yet we have a cure for hunger its called food and it works instantly.

If all these goverments around the world really care for every single life like they claim then why hasnt hunger been eradicated years ago.

Big pharmaceutical gets literally billions of funding, i mean look at the ppe shit show where just our goverment alone gave contracts worth hundreds of millions to their pals for ppe that either didnt come or was useless.

On a list of things people should be worried about, angry about, upset about, covid probably shouldnt even make it into the top 5.

Literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of children are trafficked, abused, tortured and even murdered every year and by very powerful people.

This and this alone should be the main issue people are getting angry about, not getting angry with fred from over the road who just went into the garage without a face mask on.

"

100 thumbs up for you - spot on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No". "

Yes, 3 confirmed and one suspected.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No".

Yes, 3 confirmed and one suspected."

Confirmed by who?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Many of those who died could have had an undiagnosed condition, friend of mine had cancer they didnt know about,

That’s very sad to hear, do you know the severity? Cancer patients can have decades with successful treatment obviously, sorry to hear covid has robbed them of their future "

He had been unwell for a year or so with odd symptoms but doc didnt do much work into tracking what it was, turned out to be leukaemia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No".

Yes, 3 confirmed and one suspected.

Confirmed by who?"

Medical tests.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No". "

Yes I have.

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over a year ago

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No". "

Yes.

Yes.

I've also had it myself and know people who've lost people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

Any deaths is unfortunate and no words can make those ppl come back.

But how much do we really care ..FOR THEM?

Or do we care for ourselves?

Do we care those homeless dying on the streets?

Those who commit suicide?

Dying from loneliness

Those figures alone goes well into their 10s thousands

What about all those starving.

Do we really reaaly care or is it a case that we cant do anything about that....but you can self isolate wear a mask etc.

600k died in 2019

Thats over 1.5k a day.

The 500k figure in the modelling actualy included those who would die under normal circumstances. They just conveniently left that bit out.

I beleive the number for deaths of people dying due to hunger this year exceeds 4,000,000 yep thats 4 million.

And yet we have a cure for hunger its called food and it works instantly.

If all these goverments around the world really care for every single life like they claim then why hasnt hunger been eradicated years ago.

Big pharmaceutical gets literally billions of funding, i mean look at the ppe shit show where just our goverment alone gave contracts worth hundreds of millions to their pals for ppe that either didnt come or was useless.

On a list of things people should be worried about, angry about, upset about, covid probably shouldnt even make it into the top 5.

Literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of children are trafficked, abused, tortured and even murdered every year and by very powerful people.

This and this alone should be the main issue people are getting angry about, not getting angry with fred from over the road who just went into the garage without a face mask on.

"

So if I do a green arrow check on your previous postings I'll see loads of threads prior to covid that you have started about people starving.

Or is it just since a virus has interrupted your life that you've taken up this cause.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


" So if I do a green arrow check on your previous postings I'll see loads of threads prior to covid that you have started about people starving.

Or is it just since a virus has interrupted your life that you've taken up this cause."

Yes it's amazing how many people suddenly care about literally anything else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No".

Yes, 3 confirmed and one suspected.

Confirmed by who?

Medical tests. "

Tested by the illuminiti ?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No".

Yes, 3 confirmed and one suspected.

Confirmed by who?

Medical tests.

Tested by the illuminiti ?"

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By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

Like i have been saying all along all deathes no matter what have had covid put on there death certificates, they are faking the numbers ..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Like i have been saying all along all deathes no matter what have had covid put on there death certificates, they are faking the numbers .."

So how come the Office of National Statistics can differentiate between flu deaths and Covid deaths?

Someone call the ONS and tell them they're gonna blow our cover

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By *rgoodnbadMan
over a year ago

greenock


"You do realise that people can happily live with health conditions for many years and even live full lives?

It shouldn't be the norm to think oh well they died of covid but they had an illness anyway so it doesn't matter. Most health conditions are not terminal"

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"You do realise that people can happily live with health conditions for many years and even live full lives?

It shouldn't be the norm to think oh well they died of covid but they had an illness anyway so it doesn't matter. Most health conditions are not terminal "

The inhumanity people are displaying throughout this is utterly appalling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

Any deaths is unfortunate and no words can make those ppl come back.

But how much do we really care ..FOR THEM?

Or do we care for ourselves?

Do we care those homeless dying on the streets?

Those who commit suicide?

Dying from loneliness

Those figures alone goes well into their 10s thousands

What about all those starving.

Do we really reaaly care or is it a case that we cant do anything about that....but you can self isolate wear a mask etc.

600k died in 2019

Thats over 1.5k a day.

The 500k figure in the modelling actualy included those who would die under normal circumstances. They just conveniently left that bit out.

I beleive the number for deaths of people dying due to hunger this year exceeds 4,000,000 yep thats 4 million.

And yet we have a cure for hunger its called food and it works instantly.

If all these goverments around the world really care for every single life like they claim then why hasnt hunger been eradicated years ago.

Big pharmaceutical gets literally billions of funding, i mean look at the ppe shit show where just our goverment alone gave contracts worth hundreds of millions to their pals for ppe that either didnt come or was useless.

On a list of things people should be worried about, angry about, upset about, covid probably shouldnt even make it into the top 5.

Literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of children are trafficked, abused, tortured and even murdered every year and by very powerful people.

This and this alone should be the main issue people are getting angry about, not getting angry with fred from over the road who just went into the garage without a face mask on.

So if I do a green arrow check on your previous postings I'll see loads of threads prior to covid that you have started about people starving.

Or is it just since a virus has interrupted your life that you've taken up this cause."

That is such a rediculous response.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Like i have been saying all along all deathes no matter what have had covid put on there death certificates, they are faking the numbers .."

Yep they are under estimating them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor"

Citation needed

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor"
No wonder manchester has seen a spike if they think like you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomorNo wonder manchester has seen a spike if they think like you. "

Spike in what specifically?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor"

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Lots recover but many still struggling to fully recover. Is this unreported

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

Any deaths is unfortunate and no words can make those ppl come back.

But how much do we really care ..FOR THEM?

Or do we care for ourselves?

Do we care those homeless dying on the streets?

Those who commit suicide?

Dying from loneliness

Those figures alone goes well into their 10s thousands

What about all those starving.

Do we really reaaly care or is it a case that we cant do anything about that....but you can self isolate wear a mask etc.

600k died in 2019

Thats over 1.5k a day.

The 500k figure in the modelling actualy included those who would die under normal circumstances. They just conveniently left that bit out.

I beleive the number for deaths of people dying due to hunger this year exceeds 4,000,000 yep thats 4 million.

And yet we have a cure for hunger its called food and it works instantly.

If all these goverments around the world really care for every single life like they claim then why hasnt hunger been eradicated years ago.

Big pharmaceutical gets literally billions of funding, i mean look at the ppe shit show where just our goverment alone gave contracts worth hundreds of millions to their pals for ppe that either didnt come or was useless.

On a list of things people should be worried about, angry about, upset about, covid probably shouldnt even make it into the top 5.

Literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of children are trafficked, abused, tortured and even murdered every year and by very powerful people.

This and this alone should be the main issue people are getting angry about, not getting angry with fred from over the road who just went into the garage without a face mask on.

So if I do a green arrow check on your previous postings I'll see loads of threads prior to covid that you have started about people starving.

Or is it just since a virus has interrupted your life that you've taken up this cause.

That is such a rediculous response.

"

After the nonsense you have been posting recently, thats a bit rich.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We're fortunate to have had the restricted lockdown that we had, otherwise tragic losses of lives would have been many times what we have had. The infection numbers were doubling every 3 days or so, when we belatedly lockeddown in the way we did.

The economy is a reflection of the citizens and comes second in priority.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

FLU has killed more people in the UK than coronavirus for seven weeks in a row, new stats reveal today.

Almost five times as many people are now dying of influenza or pneumonia than Covid-19, according to the latest data from the Office for National Statistics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?"

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious.

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By *eastAndTheHarlotCouple
over a year ago

Hartlepool


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No". "

Yes and yes.

Sadly the person I know who had it died.

But sure. It's all fake news and it's no big deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious."

I'm getting confused with these theories now. One minute it's a man made virus created to infect the world and now I'm told these man made virus's are not infectious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No".

Yes, 3 confirmed and one suspected.

Confirmed by who?

Medical tests.

Tested by the illuminiti ?"

Yep, it was like an alien abduction, only they probe your nose and throat rather that your anus.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious."

Silly question I know..why would the gmnt create a man made famine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lots recover but many still struggling to fully recover. Is this unreported"

Apparently not if you've seen it reported.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious.

Silly question I know..why would the gmnt create a man made famine?"

Depopulation

Culling of the population

Agenda21/30

Eugenics

Resource management

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious.

Silly question I know..why would the gmnt create a man made famine?"

Inbox mefor links if you r reallycurious

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

Any deaths is unfortunate and no words can make those ppl come back.

But how much do we really care ..FOR THEM?

Or do we care for ourselves?

Do we care those homeless dying on the streets?

Those who commit suicide?

Dying from loneliness

Those figures alone goes well into their 10s thousands

What about all those starving.

Do we really reaaly care or is it a case that we cant do anything about that....but you can self isolate wear a mask etc.

600k died in 2019

Thats over 1.5k a day.

The 500k figure in the modelling actualy included those who would die under normal circumstances. They just conveniently left that bit out.

I beleive the number for deaths of people dying due to hunger this year exceeds 4,000,000 yep thats 4 million.

And yet we have a cure for hunger its called food and it works instantly.

If all these goverments around the world really care for every single life like they claim then why hasnt hunger been eradicated years ago.

Big pharmaceutical gets literally billions of funding, i mean look at the ppe shit show where just our goverment alone gave contracts worth hundreds of millions to their pals for ppe that either didnt come or was useless.

On a list of things people should be worried about, angry about, upset about, covid probably shouldnt even make it into the top 5.

Literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of children are trafficked, abused, tortured and even murdered every year and by very powerful people.

This and this alone should be the main issue people are getting angry about, not getting angry with fred from over the road who just went into the garage without a face mask on.

"
spot on

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious.

Silly question I know..why would the gmnt create a man made famine?

Depopulation

Culling of the population

Agenda21/30

Eugenics

Resource management

"

Agenda 21_30 is a totalitarian world gmnt who want to kill off millions of people.

Like the empire in star wars?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May the bullshit be with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious.

Silly question I know..why would the gmnt create a man made famine?

Depopulation

Culling of the population

Agenda21/30

Eugenics

Resource management

Agenda 21_30 is a totalitarian world gmnt who want to kill off millions of people.

Like the empire in star wars?"

Men have always'conspired' for their own gain.

2020 is no different.

The documentation and their plans are all there in black abd white.

Also the Davos conference 2020 .

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over a year ago


"Literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of children are trafficked, abused, tortured and even murdered every year and by very powerful people.

This and this alone should be the main issue people are getting angry about, not getting angry with fred from over the road who just went into the garage without a face mask on.

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over a year ago


"Literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of children are trafficked, abused, tortured and even murdered every year and by very powerful people.

This and this alone should be the main issue people are getting angry about, not getting angry with fred from over the road who just went into the garage without a face mask on.

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Excellent post, thank you.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious.

Silly question I know..why would the gmnt create a man made famine?

Depopulation

Culling of the population

Agenda21/30

Eugenics

Resource management

Agenda 21_30 is a totalitarian world gmnt who want to kill off millions of people.

Like the empire in star wars?

Men have always'conspired' for their own gain.

2020 is no different.

The documentation and their plans are all there in black abd white.

Also the Davos conference 2020 ."

Will they have a cool villan like death Vader or will it be boris,?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will they have a cool villan like death Vader or will it be boris,?"

Instead of Ming the merciless were going to have Tang the tactless.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"Like i have been saying all along all deathes no matter what have had covid put on there death certificates, they are faking the numbers .."

It is not fake. England was just using a different standard of counting compared to Scotland.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"May the bullshit be with you."

And also with you

Lift up your hands

We lift them up to the Lord Gates!

(With apologies to my church)

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By *r_Jake70Man
over a year ago

London

Actually, most people know others who have had the virus, it’s just that they don’t know that they know. Most cases (up to 80% according to some studies) are asymptomatic. And that’s precisely why we still have to be extremely careful.

BTW. My answer is “yes” to both questions. My family all had it and I have lost friends to the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will they have a cool villan like death Vader or will it be boris,?

Instead of Ming the merciless were going to have Tang the tactless."

So you have read a science paper that demonstrates viruses causes disease with proper control groups?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Will they have a cool villan like death Vader or will it be boris,?

Instead of Ming the merciless were going to have Tang the tactless.

So you have read a science paper that demonstrates viruses causes disease with proper control groups?"

I'll treat germ theory denial with the seriousness that it deserves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes ... two cousins who are both nurses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor"

Nah, I'd rather not live in fear cos some nobody told me to on the Web.

I'd rather use my own weird and wonderful (and recovering) brain.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

Nah, I'd rather not live in fear cos some nobody told me to on the Web.

I'd rather use my own weird and wonderful (and recovering) brain. "

The do your research brigade really don't like robust independent thought, it turns out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious."

Don't need scientific experiments when you have pathological findings!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious.

Silly question I know..why would the gmnt create a man made famine?

Depopulation

Culling of the population

Agenda21/30

Eugenics

Resource management

Agenda 21_30 is a totalitarian world gmnt who want to kill off millions of people.

Like the empire in star wars?

Men have always'conspired' for their own gain.

2020 is no different.

The documentation and their plans are all there in black abd white.

Also the Davros conference 2020 ."

FTFY

I loved Doctor Who and the Daleks as a little girl

"exterminate, EXTERMINATE".

How apt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will they have a cool villan like death Vader or will it be boris,?

Instead of Ming the merciless were going to have Tang the tactless."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Ask yourself this,

Do you know anyone who has had said virus?

Do you know anyone that knows anyone that has?

Strangely, the answer to both is usually "No". "

Yes, three in laws and one sibling..

Two have been left with life affecting health issues..

Ex colleagues who are working with London ambulance service are still dealing daily with cases, although not as many as April..

Family in separate areas of NHS have seen it up close..

One neighbours father had it..

Ask yourself this, are you being serious in such a question when a global pandemic has killed hundreds of thousands thus far..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

Nah, I'd rather not live in fear cos some nobody told me to on the Web.

I'd rather use my own weird and wonderful (and recovering) brain.

The do your research brigade really don't like robust independent thought, it turns out "

That tangy guy says the govt are fear mongering and then tries to do the same thing: be afraid, be very afraid. God it's tiresome.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

Nah, I'd rather not live in fear cos some nobody told me to on the Web.

I'd rather use my own weird and wonderful (and recovering) brain.

The do your research brigade really don't like robust independent thought, it turns out

That tangy guy says the govt are fear mongering and then tries to do the same thing: be afraid, be very afraid. God it's tiresome.

"

There's a global conspiracy to hide that viral infections are caused by diet.

The symptoms of this dietary disorder are remarkably consistent globally, as though the varied diets have nothing to do with it. As though it were a virus.

I cower at the malevolent brilliance of our overlords.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I am not sure what the numbers are or how accurate they are..

I don't feel a need to know how many there are but every one of them is a tragic event

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ?? "

Agreed! X

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

A recession is an inevitability now. Possibly a depression.

However, I'm not sure I'm aware of evidence that let it rip and let them die will improve economic outcomes.

Plus, you know, it's barbaric.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ??

Agreed! X"

Prey tell.. if 16k people is an acceptable loss of our population then what would you consider in numerical terms to be an unnaceptable loss of life? Please put a figure on it

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Stop being afraidof covid.

99.97 chance of recovery and if you show symptoms you dont even need medication! just need to self isolating! Thats how virile this 'virus' is.

Ppl did not die from covid. They died from x y and z. Do something about x y and z.

Start being afraid if vaccines! Start being afraid of the realities depicted in films such as

I am legend

Equilibrium

1984

Start being afraid of famine

Search holodomor

So we are heading for a man made famine where all the peasants have their grain took off them?

That depends on whether you believe this was their plan all along or not. There is a trail of paperworkthat support this.

The excuse to shut down farms and slaughter houses is now ready and can be used at any moment.

Yet we have seen no is irrefutable scientific experiment that demonstrates viruses causes disease nor are infectious.

Silly question I know..why would the gmnt create a man made famine?

Depopulation

Culling of the population

Agenda21/30

Eugenics

Resource management

Agenda 21_30 is a totalitarian world gmnt who want to kill off millions of people.

Like the empire in star wars?"
Wheres yoda when you need him.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ??

Agreed! X

Prey tell.. if 16k people is an acceptable loss of our population then what would you consider in numerical terms to be an unnaceptable loss of life? Please put a figure on it "

It felt like everything changed after September 11, to me. A fundamental shift in Western attitudes, which has lasted nearly 19 years so far. 2977 people died.

And yet in the UK alone, we've had over 60 000 excess deaths and people are squawking about having to put fabric on their faces.

Perspective.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

We don't live in communist China.... perspective

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"We don't live in communist China.... perspective "

Does life in the U.K. reflect what’s happening in China ?

Perspective!

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Fuck it's hot

Perspiration

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"We don't live in communist China.... perspective "

Ooh. Fabric on faces. Such oppression.

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By *orkiecpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

York


"A recession is an inevitability now. Possibly a depression.

However, I'm not sure I'm aware of evidence that let it rip and let them die will improve economic outcomes.

Plus, you know, it's barbaric."

A generation depression that will last 25 years maybe

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"A recession is an inevitability now. Possibly a depression.

However, I'm not sure I'm aware of evidence that let it rip and let them die will improve economic outcomes.

Plus, you know, it's barbaric.

A generation depression that will last 25 years maybe "

Evidence?

We can get our economy back. We can't unkill people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A recession is an inevitability now. Possibly a depression.

However, I'm not sure I'm aware of evidence that let it rip and let them die will improve economic outcomes.

Plus, you know, it's barbaric.

A generation depression that will last 25 years maybe

Evidence?

We can get our economy back. We can't unkill people."

What about people who kill themselves because they have lost their homes , their wives and their futures.

If there is a depression.

Do they not count?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A recession is an inevitability now. Possibly a depression.

However, I'm not sure I'm aware of evidence that let it rip and let them die will improve economic outcomes.

Plus, you know, it's barbaric.

A generation depression that will last 25 years maybe "

I think you misread. It said they expect it to be back by 2025.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"A recession is an inevitability now. Possibly a depression.

However, I'm not sure I'm aware of evidence that let it rip and let them die will improve economic outcomes.

Plus, you know, it's barbaric.

A generation depression that will last 25 years maybe

Evidence?

We can get our economy back. We can't unkill people.

What about people who kill themselves because they have lost their homes , their wives and their futures.

If there is a depression.

Do they not count?"

They do, and we can mitigate.

It's not "Covid and nothing else".

I'm actually dealing with mental health issues in the community as a result of lockdown. We have to make difficult choices. We compromise. We work on things to the best of our ability.

Letting a novel pathogen rip is not an acceptable solution.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"A recession is an inevitability now. Possibly a depression.

However, I'm not sure I'm aware of evidence that let it rip and let them die will improve economic outcomes.

Plus, you know, it's barbaric.

A generation depression that will last 25 years maybe "

You have evidence of this quarter century depression?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"A recession is an inevitability now. Possibly a depression.

However, I'm not sure I'm aware of evidence that let it rip and let them die will improve economic outcomes.

Plus, you know, it's barbaric.

A generation depression that will last 25 years maybe

Evidence?

We can get our economy back. We can't unkill people."

Amazing isn't it?

Said this yday..we have had 8 years of austerity..pay freezrs..job losses..food banks etc and all of a sudden everyone is having kittens about this downturn.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"A recession is an inevitability now. Possibly a depression.

However, I'm not sure I'm aware of evidence that let it rip and let them die will improve economic outcomes.

Plus, you know, it's barbaric.

A generation depression that will last 25 years maybe

Evidence?

We can get our economy back. We can't unkill people.

Amazing isn't it?

Said this yday..we have had 8 years of austerity..pay freezrs..job losses..food banks etc and all of a sudden everyone is having kittens about this downturn."

But it's different because it inconveniences them.

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By *orkiecpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

York

Look at the figures open your eyes do some basic research and you will be scared to death by what you find

Cruise lines gone , airlines gone or on the edge of bankruptcy travel agencies gone or on the verge of going rolls royce laying off staff boots the chemist shuting shops william hill shuting shops and the list goes on and on estimated unemployment figures are around 6 to 10 million after the government support scheme ends

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Look at the figures open your eyes do some basic research and you will be scared to death by what you find

Cruise lines gone , airlines gone or on the edge of bankruptcy travel agencies gone or on the verge of going rolls royce laying off staff boots the chemist shuting shops william hill shuting shops and the list goes on and on estimated unemployment figures are around 6 to 10 million after the government support scheme ends "

And so people dying is ok?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shockingly on average 1400 people die a day in the UK without CV19.

I think we all need to take precautions but try to go back to work. If there is no vaccine in 2021 and we continue as we are things will be very grim indeed. CV-19 will become the least of families problems when you have no money to buy food.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Shockingly on average 1400 people die a day in the UK without CV19.

I think we all need to take precautions but try to go back to work. If there is no vaccine in 2021 and we continue as we are things will be very grim indeed. CV-19 will become the least of families problems when you have no money to buy food."

... And the Covid numbers are in addition to those dying already. And don't include disability or long term sickness.

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By *orkiecpl OP   Couple
over a year ago

York

How many people will lose they jobs, houses partners kids because they lose they job, how many people will commit suicide because of this, think 1929 depression people jumped off buildings, that depression will look like small issue. The post covid depression will last for a generation 20 to 25 years, worst case scenario uk goes bankrupt, so no nhs no benefits etc , all for 41,000 people a country has been destroyed

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"How many people will lose they jobs, houses partners kids because they lose they job, how many people will commit suicide because of this, think 1929 depression people jumped off buildings, that depression will look like small issue. The post covid depression will last for a generation 20 to 25 years, worst case scenario uk goes bankrupt, so no nhs no benefits etc , all for 41,000 people a country has been destroyed "

Do you have any evidence for any of this? Any at all? Sources?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed. I'm employ a number of people I have had to let half my staff go and will be forced to make more redundant at the end of this month. The furlough scheme whilst created for the right reasons has done lasting damage to our economy. By October redundancies across the UK will be significant. Companies are not returning to there offices for fear of prosecution by HSE for a lack of CV safe work places? Yet you can go down the pub, get d*unk and rub shoulders with everyone? Madness!

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London


"Look at the figures open your eyes do some basic research and you will be scared to death by what you find

Cruise lines gone , airlines gone or on the edge of bankruptcy travel agencies gone or on the verge of going rolls royce laying off staff boots the chemist shuting shops william hill shuting shops and the list goes on and on estimated unemployment figures are around 6 to 10 million after the government support scheme ends "

**"...Cruise lines gone , airlines gone or on the edge of bankruptcy travel agencies gone..."**

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Is this something new? We've had these problems from time to time over the years due to various reasons other than a virus.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

So shut the pubs

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Look at the figures open your eyes do some basic research and you will be scared to death by what you find

Cruise lines gone , airlines gone or on the edge of bankruptcy travel agencies gone or on the verge of going rolls royce laying off staff boots the chemist shuting shops william hill shuting shops and the list goes on and on estimated unemployment figures are around 6 to 10 million after the government support scheme ends

**"...Cruise lines gone , airlines gone or on the edge of bankruptcy travel agencies gone..."**

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Is this something new? We've had these problems from time to time over the years due to various reasons other than a virus."

Apparently it's different now. Search me. The travel industry has been in trouble for ages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also you refer to evidence;

My company runs facility support in London, just one of these offices normally houses 5k people. There have only been around 50 in the entire building since March. Many companies have terminated there leases and are not going to return to there offices, the knock on effect will be huge. Now employers are being asked to fund ER's tax, NI payments and Pensions, there is going to be mass redundancies. how can you pay 15% staffing costs on the the furlough scheme when your staff are not at work and paying there way? Mark my words October onwards its going to get very bad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How many people will lose they jobs, houses partners kids because they lose they job, how many people will commit suicide because of this, think 1929 depression people jumped off buildings, that depression will look like small issue. The post covid depression will last for a generation 20 to 25 years, worst case scenario uk goes bankrupt, so no nhs no benefits etc , all for 41,000 people a country has been destroyed "

I’d love to see your source of this 25 year recession. The ones I’ve seen have said the economy will return to pre Covid between 2023-2025.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not going to return as before because our working patterns will now change across the world as a result of this. The service sector and hospitality industry will change forever. All those office workers not buying lunch, just think of the supply chain....where does it stop? and then of course there's the lunchtime shopping......

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Also you refer to evidence;

My company runs facility support in London, just one of these offices normally houses 5k people. There have only been around 50 in the entire building since March. Many companies have terminated there leases and are not going to return to there offices, the knock on effect will be huge. Now employers are being asked to fund ER's tax, NI payments and Pensions, there is going to be mass redundancies. how can you pay 15% staffing costs on the the furlough scheme when your staff are not at work and paying there way? Mark my words October onwards its going to get very bad."

Got any papers, research, rather than asking me to take your word for it? Economic modelling?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its not going to return as before because our working patterns will now change across the world as a result of this. The service sector and hospitality industry will change forever. All those office workers not buying lunch, just think of the supply chain....where does it stop? and then of course there's the lunchtime shopping......

"

I think you’re overestimating the work from home phenomenon. Its fine for those living in nice houses with space, however a lot of those working in the offices do not live in those conditions.

A lot are young people living in small apartments who will eventually jump at the chance to get back into the office. It’s part of their social life as well as their job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll happily take you and show you.

Or just go to Oxford Street, Regents Street, TCR the streets are empty. People are not returning to there work places, the work no longer exists for the quantity of people previously employed.

I work with many large commercial landlords (these are the people who invest your pension funds etc) The offices are not coming back to work anytime soon or if ever and even if so with reduced numbers, requiring less space. The knock on effect will be a hammer blow to the economy. Never seen this before, its going to be a game changer. The ONS also confirms this by the current downturn in figures and its only going to get worse.

You think differently that's fine but make sure you have plenty of cash under the mattress....

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over a year ago

Your right work from home is fine if you have the space. the mental health issues that it will create however will be of serious concern. We are as humans socially interactive people by touch, proximity and speech, all of which I think is required to simulate a happy life. Being caged in a box is no fun. Your home is supposed to be your retreat, yet for some working from home will quickly become a prison.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I'll happily take you and show you.

Or just go to Oxford Street, Regents Street, TCR the streets are empty. People are not returning to there work places, the work no longer exists for the quantity of people previously employed.

I work with many large commercial landlords (these are the people who invest your pension funds etc) The offices are not coming back to work anytime soon or if ever and even if so with reduced numbers, requiring less space. The knock on effect will be a hammer blow to the economy. Never seen this before, its going to be a game changer. The ONS also confirms this by the current downturn in figures and its only going to get worse.

You think differently that's fine but make sure you have plenty of cash under the mattress...."

You're asking me to take your word for it again.

And yes the ONS is showing a downturn. Large parts of the economy were abruptly shut. That's obvious.

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over a year ago

The reason I think the offices will remain in the city centres is because companies like the prestige of having offices in city centres. That’s why they’ve been paying ridiculously high rental rather than be out in the cheaper suburbs.

Yes this has had an impact but they will return as we learn to live with this virus and the medical teams discover new ways of treating it, which they are doing right now.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"The reason I think the offices will remain in the city centres is because companies like the prestige of having offices in city centres. That’s why they’ve been paying ridiculously high rental rather than be out in the cheaper suburbs.

Yes this has had an impact but they will return as we learn to live with this virus and the medical teams discover new ways of treating it, which they are doing right now."

Agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I offered to show you, nothing like first sight.

Yes the ONS is showing a downturn for the last two quarters and prior to CV-19 predicted three further downturns in successive quarters thereafter but has since revised these figures to far more serious ones.

I'm not going to argue with you because clearly you just want to disagree, which is fine. But the facts as I see them daily on the ground are changing and when I say this and I take to many companies, things are only getting worse and not better.

Enjoy the rest of evening the debate has been stimulating!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Us meeting is obviously unlikely and impractical. I asked for data.

If you're unwilling to provide that then that's on you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before I go I can only say ONS...again.

But on another note take a stab in the dark (you've being doing this most of the evening anyway) and tell me how much you think it costs a company to allocated one desk space to an employee and pay for all the overheads that go with it in a city centre (any city center)......I'll surprise you with the info , but you have a guess first......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Before I go I can only say ONS...again.

But on another note take a stab in the dark (you've being doing this most of the evening anyway) and tell me how much you think it costs a company to allocated one desk space to an employee and pay for all the overheads that go with it in a city centre (any city center)......I'll surprise you with the info , but you have a guess first......"

I’ve already agreed they have historically paid high rates for city centres office space. I pointed out the reason they did it in the past and why they’ll do it again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please don't take offence the pointed remark was not intended for you, but since you have engaged I'll tell you;

8 - 12k p.a. per desk space.

Remember at the moment the employers are funding these desk spaces and there's no one sitting at them. There are no "free rents" for already engaged leases. Holiday periods yes but you still have to pay eventually.

There is no cheap commercial rent out there for existing leases. Whilst there maybe a reduction in the short term, rents will continue to remain high for the foreseeable. Why? Because a lot of the office space is now seen as redundant and has been earmarked for possible apartments, its already being discussed openly with city planners because of the way our working patterns have adapted so quickly.

So perhaps something good will eventually come out of this mess. More housing for a growing nation can't be such a bad thing.

Really need to go to bed now.

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ?? "

So you don’t think there’s a major case of cooking the books to make the death rate look less severe than it really is?

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So do the 25,000 lives lost mean less just because they where old or had health issues?

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over a year ago


"So do the 25,000 lives lost mean less just because they where old or had health issues? "

I don't think anyone ever said that.

The problem here is that Covid's new. It's making headlines because it's new. Every single year many thousands of people who are old or have health issues die from flu, pneumonia and many other diseases. Even the common cold can kill. If you are old or ill death from ANY illness is much more likely, Covid is not unique in that.

We should do what we can to protect those who are most vulnerable from Covid and all other diseases BUT we must also accept that we cannot run our entire society based solely on that criteria.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We did all this to save and protect our old people, now they are locked in their homes or care homes. GPs nowhere to be seen, hospitals half empty and not taking old folk. It's all fucked up.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Shielding has ended and the virus harms people of all ages.

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over a year ago


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ?? "

If those figures are accurate.. then school closure, exams results, jobs losses, recession etc aren’t for the sake of 16000 people. It’s for the sake of preventing the tens of thousands of deaths that would have occurred without lockdown. Not just through COVID but other treatable things that the NHS wouldn’t have had the capacity to help with as a result of being overrun. This is the only significant sacrifice most of us have had to make in our life time for the sake of the future of the country and too many people have bitched and moaned and completed ignored the guidelines.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did! "

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every week

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Channel four news reported that after a government review of the covid 19 death figs the new total deaths due to covid 19 is 41,000 not 46,000 a reduction of 12 % .. considering that of those 41,000 deaths 25,000 where in care homes or those with an underlying health conditions, that means that 16,000 people have died who did not have an underlying condition. 66 million people live in the uk and for the sake of 16,000 people the lives of numerous young adults has been ruined due to school closure and the exam mess, loads of people have lost there jobs and living ,how many companies have gone to the wall , how long will this recession last ??

If those figures are accurate.. then school closure, exams results, jobs losses, recession etc aren’t for the sake of 16000 people. It’s for the sake of preventing the tens of thousands of deaths that would have occurred without lockdown. Not just through COVID but other treatable things that the NHS wouldn’t have had the capacity to help with as a result of being overrun. This is the only significant sacrifice most of us have had to make in our life time for the sake of the future of the country and too many people have bitched and moaned and completed ignored the guidelines. "

This is our war effort.

We're failing miserably.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every week"
So if they are "cooking the books" how come the ons figures are showing a below average death rate for the last 7 weeks?

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over a year ago


"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every weekSo if they are "cooking the books" how come the ons figures are showing a below average death rate for the last 7 weeks? "

I guess it’s possible that without COVID a certain number of people with pre existing medical conditions would have died between March 20 - December 20. If they succumbed to COVID between March - June, it means there are fewer people left die without COVID throughout the rest of the year

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every weekSo if they are "cooking the books" how come the ons figures are showing a below average death rate for the last 7 weeks?

I guess it’s possible that without COVID a certain number of people with pre existing medical conditions would have died between March 20 - December 20. If they succumbed to COVID between March - June, it means there are fewer people left die without COVID throughout the rest of the year "
I know that but the post i was referring to was saying they are cooking the books if that was the case other cause deaths would be up.

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over a year ago


"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every weekSo if they are "cooking the books" how come the ons figures are showing a below average death rate for the last 7 weeks?

I guess it’s possible that without COVID a certain number of people with pre existing medical conditions would have died between March 20 - December 20. If they succumbed to COVID between March - June, it means there are fewer people left die without COVID throughout the rest of the year I know that but the post i was referring to was saying they are cooking the books if that was the case other cause deaths would be up. "

But why would they be up if there are fewer people dying of other things than in previous years?

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over a year ago


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

Any deaths is unfortunate and no words can make those ppl come back.

But how much do we really care ..FOR THEM?

Or do we care for ourselves?

Do we care those homeless dying on the streets?

Those who commit suicide?

Dying from loneliness

Those figures alone goes well into their 10s thousands

What about all those starving.

Do we really reaaly care or is it a case that we cant do anything about that....but you can self isolate wear a mask etc.

600k died in 2019

Thats over 1.5k a day.

The 500k figure in the modelling actualy included those who would die under normal circumstances. They just conveniently left that bit out.

I beleive the number for deaths of people dying due to hunger this year exceeds 4,000,000 yep thats 4 million.

And yet we have a cure for hunger its called food and it works instantly.

If all these goverments around the world really care for every single life like they claim then why hasnt hunger been eradicated years ago.

Big pharmaceutical gets literally billions of funding, i mean look at the ppe shit show where just our goverment alone gave contracts worth hundreds of millions to their pals for ppe that either didnt come or was useless.

On a list of things people should be worried about, angry about, upset about, covid probably shouldnt even make it into the top 5.

Literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of children are trafficked, abused, tortured and even murdered every year and by very powerful people.

This and this alone should be the main issue people are getting angry about, not getting angry with fred from over the road who just went into the garage without a face mask on.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every weekSo if they are "cooking the books" how come the ons figures are showing a below average death rate for the last 7 weeks? "

I didn't say the deaths were not going down, I said there has still been a jumbo jet full of people dead every week

Now they are counting the dead differently which is what I think the person I quoted is talking about and what I commented on, for example, if someone has been in a coma or dies 4 weeks after they first got Covid their deaths are not counted in

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every weekSo if they are "cooking the books" how come the ons figures are showing a below average death rate for the last 7 weeks?

I didn't say the deaths were not going down, I said there has still been a jumbo jet full of people dead every week

Now they are counting the dead differently which is what I think the person I quoted is talking about and what I commented on, for example, if someone has been in a coma or dies 4 weeks after they first got Covid their deaths are not counted in "

Which is clearly absolute tosh.

When Covid first came out we were told that the timescale from first displaying symptoms to death was roughly 28 days - ergo anyone who died after the ‘average’ period is discounted.

I’m honestly astounded that the whole country isn’t up in arms about this. It’s blatant misrepresentation of the truth - or bullshit as we northerners call it!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Bullshit is a good description

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

The government really seem to have gone to the "how to ensure public support" handbook and done the opposite.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every weekSo if they are "cooking the books" how come the ons figures are showing a below average death rate for the last 7 weeks?

I didn't say the deaths were not going down, I said there has still been a jumbo jet full of people dead every week

Now they are counting the dead differently which is what I think the person I quoted is talking about and what I commented on, for example, if someone has been in a coma or dies 4 weeks after they first got Covid their deaths are not counted in "
They are standardizing the counting system as other countries do this,England was counting it as covid even if you had it 3 months before nobody ever recovered from it when you died it was because of covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s a bit difficult to make policy when the U.K. have different criteria for the recording of deaths involving Covid. We had England including anyone who died and had tested positive whereas we had Scotland,Wales and Northern Ireland only including those who had tested positive in the previous 28 days. All that’s happened is the PHE have harmonised with the other nations.

They are also in line with the system used by the ons. There is no cooking the books, there is no conspiracy.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every weekSo if they are "cooking the books" how come the ons figures are showing a below average death rate for the last 7 weeks?

I didn't say the deaths were not going down, I said there has still been a jumbo jet full of people dead every week

Now they are counting the dead differently which is what I think the person I quoted is talking about and what I commented on, for example, if someone has been in a coma or dies 4 weeks after they first got Covid their deaths are not counted in They are standardizing the counting system as other countries do this,England was counting it as covid even if you had it 3 months before nobody ever recovered from it when you died it was because of covid. "

To be fair, what other countries do isn't relevant. Here they have now changed it to if you die after 28 days then it is not registered as dying from Covid even if you are in hospital on a life support for weeks and then die because you caught the virus and had to go on a ventilator

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

They’ve changed the definition of covid deaths so instead of a hundred or so - the daily death total is 10-20.

In all honesty - this blatant dishonesty worries me far more than the original daily death numbers did!

This for me too.

What is even more worrying was we were losing the equivalent of a jumbo jet full of people every week for the last four weeks and it doesn't seem newsworthy....now they have changed how they report the deaths it will b even less newsworthy. No matter how they cook the books to make it look better, there are lots of people still dying every weekSo if they are "cooking the books" how come the ons figures are showing a below average death rate for the last 7 weeks?

I didn't say the deaths were not going down, I said there has still been a jumbo jet full of people dead every week

Now they are counting the dead differently which is what I think the person I quoted is talking about and what I commented on, for example, if someone has been in a coma or dies 4 weeks after they first got Covid their deaths are not counted in They are standardizing the counting system as other countries do this,England was counting it as covid even if you had it 3 months before nobody ever recovered from it when you died it was because of covid.

To be fair, what other countries do isn't relevant. Here they have now changed it to if you die after 28 days then it is not registered as dying from Covid even if you are in hospital on a life support for weeks and then die because you caught the virus and had to go on a ventilator

"

Which is why PHE are also showing figures as per the previous ( you never recover from Covid), 60 days and 28 days.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

The first 5-10 minutes of this is good on the numbers in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzynQgToG0A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are some people still trying to ignore the fact we've had tens of thousands of deaths involving Covid? Just a guess.

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over a year ago


"Are some people still trying to ignore the fact we've had tens of thousands of deaths involving Covid? Just a guess."

Some will not have a word said about these lying toe rags.

Others can see through the lies...but saidly we are stuck at the worst period of our living lives with the worst government in control of this.

Lets be honest though...its not a government as they are elected. We have a dictatorship run by a unelected twat.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Are some people still trying to ignore the fact we've had tens of thousands of deaths involving Covid? Just a guess."

Of course they are. The novelty has worn off and they don't care, it seems. It's utterly staggering.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Statistics can be used in any way you want, but I'm not quite sure how anyone can look at a death toll on this scale and argue that we should "get back to normal". It absolutely blows my mind.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

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The op never mentioned young.

Plus many deaths are put down to Covid when they blatantly aren't.

An example being, a local neighbour had Covid in May and recovered well (64 years old) then was involved in a fatal accident and he was put down as Covid on the death certificate.

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over a year ago


" "You're saying 16,000 like it's an achievement. 16,000 young healthy people are now dead! In the space of a few months! 16,000 young lives cut short and you're making out like that's a good thing.

People's attitude towards this pandemic is disgusting at times.

"

The op never mentioned young.

Plus many deaths are put down to Covid when they blatantly aren't.

An example being, a local neighbour had Covid in May and recovered well (64 years old) then was involved in a fatal accident and he was put down as Covid on the death certificate. "

You are going to the extremes to defend this. Yes the very rare few would die like that.

But when many are incubated through covid it will take thier lives of many long after 28 days. And they are cooking the fecking books

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