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"The Unions are right because opening schools is the Caretakers job. "Ba-Dum-Ching .... | |||
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"The utter hypocrisy of Johnson saying the teachers have a “moral duty” to reopen the schools. The scoundrel wouldn’t know moral duty if it bit him on the backside." Regardless of his own personal moral standing, he's still right in what he says - there is a moral duty to ensure students are back in classroom learning. | |||
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"The utter hypocrisy of Johnson saying the teachers have a “moral duty” to reopen the schools. The scoundrel wouldn’t know moral duty if it bit him on the backside." I'm sure the media will pull him on it. | |||
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"The utter hypocrisy of Johnson saying the teachers have a “moral duty” to reopen the schools. The scoundrel wouldn’t know moral duty if it bit him on the backside. Regardless of his own personal moral standing, he's still right in what he says - there is a moral duty to ensure students are back in classroom learning." Put aside his personal moral standing - the moral bankruptcy of his so-called government (sleazy deals, one law for them and another for us etc) makes it difficult for him to preach, and with the idiotic Williamson in charge of education, I’m sorry, they’ll have to do better than invoke somebody else’s “moral duty”. | |||
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"The utter hypocrisy of Johnson saying the teachers have a “moral duty” to reopen the schools. The scoundrel wouldn’t know moral duty if it bit him on the backside. Regardless of his own personal moral standing, he's still right in what he says - there is a moral duty to ensure students are back in classroom learning." Does that supersede the duty of care to provide a safe working environment? | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. "Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain. | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain."You realise you have just proved gemenis point? They arent.And you know it. | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain."You may have point but is ok for the government to use kids for political gain? | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain."How dare those teachers try to protect their lives and the lives of their students? Sickening, isn't it? | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain.
You may have point but is ok for the government to use kids for political gain?"Politicians would certainly never politicise anything. | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain.
You realise you have just proved gemenis point?
They arent.And you know it."Of course they are. Even your eu ministers are saying opening schools has not triggered a rise in cases this is from, even your bible the guardian where your narrative comes from (we established earlier you dont have an opinion of your own) has reported it. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/french-minister-tells-of-risks-of-missing-school-as-more-pupils-return-covid-19 | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain.
You may have point but is ok for the government to use kids for political gain?
Politicians would certainly never politicise anything."Perish the though. | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain.
You realise you have just proved gemenis point?
They arent.And you know it.Of course they are. Even your eu ministers are saying opening schools has not triggered a rise in cases this is from, even your bible the guardian where your narrative comes from (we established earlier you dont have an opinion of your own) has reported it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/french-minister-tells-of-risks-of-missing-school-as-more-pupils-return-covid-19"Then explain to.me what political gain they are getting? | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain.
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They arent.And you know it.Of course they are. Even your eu ministers are saying opening schools has not triggered a rise in cases this is from, even your bible the guardian where your narrative comes from (we established earlier you dont have an opinion of your own) has reported it.
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Then explain to.me what political gain they are getting?"Bloody hell your a union man you should know. | |||
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"Great a bitter politically divided country in the midst a pandemic. Yeah i think its shameful how the union is trying to use kids for political gain.
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They arent.And you know it.Of course they are. Even your eu ministers are saying opening schools has not triggered a rise in cases this is from, even your bible the guardian where your narrative comes from (we established earlier you dont have an opinion of your own) has reported it.
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Then explain to.me what political gain they are getting?Bloody hell your a union man you should know. "Enlighten me | |||
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"In answer to the person who replied this to me on the other thread: “Yes why is winter going to be different for covid than summer was? Please supply the source since we have never had a winter with covid it can only be best guess." The sources are as follows: Everywhere. "I haven't had my normal summer cold this year that I get every year, so my non sars-cov-2 coronavirus antibody levels are low, this is why I am getting a flu vaccine this year to boost my immune system for the winter | |||
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"I'd be interested to know what Ofsted's stance is From a safeguarding point of view" I assume they are furloughed? | |||
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"In answer to the person who replied this to me on the other thread: “Yes why is winter going to be different for covid than summer was? Please supply the source since we have never had a winter with covid it can only be best guess." The sources are as follows: Everywhere. "People have been mainly socialising outdoors Guess what will happen in Winter ? | |||
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"The utter hypocrisy of Johnson saying the teachers have a “moral duty” to reopen the schools. The scoundrel wouldn’t know moral duty if it bit him on the backside." When you’re right, you’re right. | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? " Probably because she hasn't used her dogs in the media to savage them and tried to emotionally b######## them into.going back to work. That would be my guess. | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? " The unions not being political and maybe not as corrupt as in England | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? The unions not being political and maybe not as corrupt as in England" How are they corrupt exactly? | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? Probably because she hasn't used her dogs in the media to savage them and tried to emotionally b######## them into.going back to work. That would be my guess." Give it a fucking break! If you really disagreed with it all, you would be involving the Irish, Scottish and Welsh in it all but no, all you are doing is blaming Westminster, who so far has supplied all the money! All businesses, the self employed (my hairdresser received her money within 2 days in her application) So why carry on with this shit, just wait for the next election and then vote, in the meantime I think we are all bored with reading the same shit every day! | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? Probably because she hasn't used her dogs in the media to savage them and tried to emotionally b######## them into.going back to work. That would be my guess. Give it a fucking break! If you really disagreed with it all, you would be involving the Irish, Scottish and Welsh in it all but no, all you are doing is blaming Westminster, who so far has supplied all the money! All businesses, the self employed (my hairdresser received her money within 2 days in her application) So why carry on with this shit, just wait for the next election and then vote, in the meantime I think we are all bored with reading the same shit every day! " No need to be so angry. I hope you're ok. | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? Probably because she hasn't used her dogs in the media to savage them and tried to emotionally b######## them into.going back to work. That would be my guess. Give it a fucking break! If you really disagreed with it all, you would be involving the Irish, Scottish and Welsh in it all but no, all you are doing is blaming Westminster, who so far has supplied all the money! All businesses, the self employed (my hairdresser received her money within 2 days in her application) So why carry on with this shit, just wait for the next election and then vote, in the meantime I think we are all bored with reading the same shit every day! " | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? Probably because she hasn't used her dogs in the media to savage them and tried to emotionally b######## them into.going back to work. That would be my guess. Give it a fucking break! If you really disagreed with it all, you would be involving the Irish, Scottish and Welsh in it all but no, all you are doing is blaming Westminster, who so far has supplied all the money! All businesses, the self employed (my hairdresser received her money within 2 days in her application) So why carry on with this shit, just wait for the next election and then vote, in the meantime I think we are all bored with reading the same shit every day! " Maybe people that Care about others are sick of the right wing bias each and every day .... Boris et al are scum and he has history of sexism, misogyny, racism, homophobia and burns £20 notes in front of homeless people taunting them. If you want to support that you fill your boots but others have different standards that we live by. | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? Probably because she hasn't used her dogs in the media to savage them and tried to emotionally b######## them into.going back to work. That would be my guess. Give it a fucking break! If you really disagreed with it all, you would be involving the Irish, Scottish and Welsh in it all but no, all you are doing is blaming Westminster, who so far has supplied all the money! All businesses, the self employed (my hairdresser received her money within 2 days in her application) So why carry on with this shit, just wait for the next election and then vote, in the meantime I think we are all bored with reading the same shit every day! Maybe people that Care about others are sick of the right wing bias each and every day .... Boris et al are scum and he has history of sexism, misogyny, racism, homophobia and burns £20 notes in front of homeless people taunting them. If you want to support that you fill your boots but others have different standards that we live by. " Unfortunately you appear to be confirming the OP. Your beef with the tory government should not involve keeping kids out of school as some form of point scoring. Before I'm accused of being a Daily Mail reading tory luvie I've been a Labour supporter all my adult life for my sins. | |||
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"I'd be interested to know what Ofsted's stance is From a safeguarding point of view I assume they are furloughed? " I'm not sure I understand the relevance? | |||
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"Schools shold never have fully closed. Kids should have sat their exams ( The rest of Europe saw the importance and managed to do so). Teachers want them open. Only people who don't are Corbyns union buddies." Would that be the Labour leader? Hang on... I googled him. He's not even leader these days. But am I still supposed to hate him and blame him for everything even now? | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? Probably because she hasn't used her dogs in the media to savage them and tried to emotionally b######## them into.going back to work. That would be my guess. Give it a fucking break! If you really disagreed with it all, you would be involving the Irish, Scottish and Welsh in it all but no, all you are doing is blaming Westminster, who so far has supplied all the money! All businesses, the self employed (my hairdresser received her money within 2 days in her application) So why carry on with this shit, just wait for the next election and then vote, in the meantime I think we are all bored with reading the same shit every day! Maybe people that Care about others are sick of the right wing bias each and every day .... Boris et al are scum and he has history of sexism, misogyny, racism, homophobia and burns £20 notes in front of homeless people taunting them. If you want to support that you fill your boots but others have different standards that we live by. Unfortunately you appear to be confirming the OP. Your beef with the tory government should not involve keeping kids out of school as some form of point scoring. Before I'm accused of being a Daily Mail reading tory luvie I've been a Labour supporter all my adult life for my sins." I don’t understand how you can separate them... the reason it’s not safe for kids in this country to go back is due to the woeful underfunding of schools. The two cannot be separated. Nothing to do with point scoring as a teacher and parent of primary school age children one SEND. The fact is that schools are not safe and cannot be covid safe as other places are being required to be as there hasn’t been any money spent on them in years. If a run down old pub with manly toilets and sinks that are cracked and unable to be cleaned properly and are tiny there is one waitress cum barmaid who is run off her feet compare that to a new pub fully staffed So they have time to pay close attention to hygiene with facilities that are new and able to be cleaned properly. Which place would you be happier was able to be more covid safe??? That is my point you cannot compare schools in this country to those in Germany/ Holland etc as the set up is totally different. Also 3 schools in Scotland have closed today due to covid after only a few days .... nothing to do with wanting them shut it’s to do with wanting them safe. | |||
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"I'd be interested to know what Ofsted's stance is From a safeguarding point of view I assume they are furloughed? I'm not sure I understand the relevance?" I assume ofsted haven’t been working think that’s the relevance so don’t have an official stance. | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home " Aye they will be wanting schools open in October when it stops. | |||
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"Schools should be open. The country needs normality. They can't keep schools closed indefinitely. " Schools haven’t shut | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home " Teachers haven’t been furloughed we have been working all through in school with keyworker/ vulnerable children (unpaid through Easter and half term at that) and also providing distance learning for the rest. | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have." Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Aye they will be wanting schools open in October when it stops." See above we have been working throughout ... never been furloughed. | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Aye they will be wanting schools open in October when it stops. See above we have been working throughout ... never been furloughed. " Not up here they haven't schools are all shut up | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Aye they will be wanting schools open in October when it stops. See above we have been working throughout ... never been furloughed. Not up here they haven't schools are all shut up " Schools have been open to keyworker children and EHCP children throughout it wasn’t a choice. The only way schools would have been closed is if there were not keyworker children or EHCP children or they had been shut due to covid outbreaks no staff etc. Even then teachers were teaching children online no teacher has been furloughed. | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home " Or ..just not believe everything you read in the daily mail | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Teachers haven’t been furloughed we have been working all through in school with keyworker/ vulnerable children (unpaid through Easter and half term at that) and also providing distance learning for the rest. " Ssshhh Cant you see there are ignorant ill informed rants going on here? | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Teachers haven’t been furloughed we have been working all through in school with keyworker/ vulnerable children (unpaid through Easter and half term at that) and also providing distance learning for the rest. Ssshhh Cant you see there are ignorant ill informed rants going on here?" Haha yeah why let actual facts get in the way of rants eh ... seriously I wonder how people actually function when they’re so ill informed. | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Teachers haven’t been furloughed we have been working all through in school with keyworker/ vulnerable children (unpaid through Easter and half term at that) and also providing distance learning for the rest. Ssshhh Cant you see there are ignorant ill informed rants going on here? Haha yeah why let actual facts get in the way of rants eh ... seriously I wonder how people actually function when they’re so ill informed. " They tend to believe what the papers tell them. | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Or ..just not believe everything you read in the daily mail " What? | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Or ..just not believe everything you read in the daily mail What? " It's quite self explanatory | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling." All good and well. I've got 3 school age children. One will be going into year 9 mainstream school, one going into a specialist private school for autistic children and one starting in reception. I don't have the skills to teach them, never mind all at different levels. It's a hard one. The kids NEED to go back to school for everyone's sake. | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. " Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? " Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months " If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling " You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... | |||
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"The utter hypocrisy of Johnson saying the teachers have a “moral duty” to reopen the schools. The scoundrel wouldn’t know moral duty if it bit him on the backside. Regardless of his own personal moral standing, he's still right in what he says - there is a moral duty to ensure students are back in classroom learning. Put aside his personal moral standing - the moral bankruptcy of his so-called government (sleazy deals, one law for them and another for us etc) makes it difficult for him to preach, and with the idiotic Williamson in charge of education, I’m sorry, they’ll have to do better than invoke somebody else’s “moral duty”." Who would run it better?? Education secretary much like health is a poison chalice of a post - damned if you do/don’t. Right now there isn’t a single person that would be better (that actually wants the position). The whole situation is fubar - it’s all best guess and speculation, the science changes on a weekly basis as that’s how quick they are learning about the virus. From the amount of kids playing together at parks, teens getting together in the evenings etc - just open the bloody schools in September! If someone in your household is shielding or high risk they keep their child home. Tbh - those of us that are key workers haven’t stopped, putting ourselves at risk on a daily basis right from the start of lockdown - ffs every one that can should get back into work and If that means opening schools to enable it then so be it. Oh just an FYI - I’ve got 2 girls in primary education that will be going back to school the day the doors open...... | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day " Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day ------ Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... " All that parents have needed to do is make sure the kids did the work provided. Laptops have been provided for kids with no computer, even 4G MiFi devices have been issued. We have also made printed versions of all the work available for anyone who wanted it. | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day ------ Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... All that parents have needed to do is make sure the kids did the work provided. Laptops have been provided for kids with no computer, even 4G MiFi devices have been issued. We have also made printed versions of all the work available for anyone who wanted it." Dont the parents need to work ? | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day ------ Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... All that parents have needed to do is make sure the kids did the work provided. Laptops have been provided for kids with no computer, even 4G MiFi devices have been issued. We have also made printed versions of all the work available for anyone who wanted it." If only it was that straight forward ... | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... " Considering how many parents were furloughed the stats I saw were that most families something like 75% of primary school aged children had one parent furloughed. Content isn’t hard in primary school and teaching it to one child really isn’t taxing on anyone. Teachers have to teach 32 children together I’m sure one parent can teach one child. It’s only as selfish as blaming the teachers but then as you troll my posts disagreeing with everything I say I’d be surprised you hadn’t chimed in with some kind of nonsense. | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... " Means .... printed packs were used more in primary than online ... available at all schools for parents to collect. Ability? If the parents aren’t academically able to write then their child would be on the disadvantaged list and would have had a place offered anyway ..... next. | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... " I find it scary that someone in education separates the effect on a child’s social life and their ‘actual life’. “Children’s social lives have suffered sure”! A child’s social life is not more important than their actual life??? A child’s social life is their actual life! Education is their actual life too! Do you think a child’s education at school is more important than their social life? | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... I find it scary that someone in education separates the effect on a child’s social life and their ‘actual life’. “Children’s social lives have suffered sure”! A child’s social life is not more important than their actual life??? A child’s social life is their actual life! Education is their actual life too! Do you think a child’s education at school is more important than their social life? A child’s social life isn’t as important as they actual life no...... I really cannot fathom that anyone would think otherwise. You would put their and others health at risk for a social life? Are you for real? Go play near a road you may get hit by a car but hey your social life is more important - wtf?" Ah... ok you meant their actual life as in loss of life! Sorry misunderstood...though... If I perceived a risk to my child’s life to be significant then no way, If I don’t then I expect the children to be back at school with teachers there to teach them! .... I sit in the second camp for that one. I’m quite alarmed to hear that teaching staff have been working throughout... genuine question because I don’t know whether one of the schools I can refer to furloughed teachers or not ... but the school has just under 1200 pupils and around 180 teaching staff ( figures are rough but not million miles away) what would the 180 staff be doing for 40 hours a week? | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... I find it scary that someone in education separates the effect on a child’s social life and their ‘actual life’. “Children’s social lives have suffered sure”! A child’s social life is not more important than their actual life??? A child’s social life is their actual life! Education is their actual life too! Do you think a child’s education at school is more important than their social life? A child’s social life isn’t as important as they actual life no...... I really cannot fathom that anyone would think otherwise. You would put their and others health at risk for a social life? Are you for real? Go play near a road you may get hit by a car but hey your social life is more important - wtf? Ah... ok you meant their actual life as in loss of life! Sorry misunderstood...though... If I perceived a risk to my child’s life to be significant then no way, If I don’t then I expect the children to be back at school with teachers there to teach them! .... I sit in the second camp for that one. I’m quite alarmed to hear that teaching staff have been working throughout... genuine question because I don’t know whether one of the schools I can refer to furloughed teachers or not ... but the school has just under 1200 pupils and around 180 teaching staff ( figures are rough but not million miles away) what would the 180 staff be doing for 40 hours a week? " Sorry forgot to add that between week one and four of lockdown there where between 4 and 9 children in school and 6 teaching staff. | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... I find it scary that someone in education separates the effect on a child’s social life and their ‘actual life’. “Children’s social lives have suffered sure”! A child’s social life is not more important than their actual life??? A child’s social life is their actual life! Education is their actual life too! Do you think a child’s education at school is more important than their social life? A child’s social life isn’t as important as they actual life no...... I really cannot fathom that anyone would think otherwise. You would put their and others health at risk for a social life? Are you for real? Go play near a road you may get hit by a car but hey your social life is more important - wtf? Ah... ok you meant their actual life as in loss of life! Sorry misunderstood...though... If I perceived a risk to my child’s life to be significant then no way, If I don’t then I expect the children to be back at school with teachers there to teach them! .... I sit in the second camp for that one. I’m quite alarmed to hear that teaching staff have been working throughout... genuine question because I don’t know whether one of the schools I can refer to furloughed teachers or not ... but the school has just under 1200 pupils and around 180 teaching staff ( figures are rough but not million miles away) what would the 180 staff be doing for 40 hours a week? " Teachers can’t be furloughed ... well I was planning usual lessons for 36 pupils in my class videoing the lessons setting the work marking the work that parents sent to me across all subjects then planning and teaching work for the kids that I taught in school. Was working about 40 unpaid hours a week through Easter and half term. So the same job just virtually not actually | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... I find it scary that someone in education separates the effect on a child’s social life and their ‘actual life’. “Children’s social lives have suffered sure”! A child’s social life is not more important than their actual life??? A child’s social life is their actual life! Education is their actual life too! Do you think a child’s education at school is more important than their social life? A child’s social life isn’t as important as they actual life no...... I really cannot fathom that anyone would think otherwise. You would put their and others health at risk for a social life? Are you for real? Go play near a road you may get hit by a car but hey your social life is more important - wtf? Ah... ok you meant their actual life as in loss of life! Sorry misunderstood...though... If I perceived a risk to my child’s life to be significant then no way, If I don’t then I expect the children to be back at school with teachers there to teach them! .... I sit in the second camp for that one. I’m quite alarmed to hear that teaching staff have been working throughout... genuine question because I don’t know whether one of the schools I can refer to furloughed teachers or not ... but the school has just under 1200 pupils and around 180 teaching staff ( figures are rough but not million miles away) what would the 180 staff be doing for 40 hours a week? Sorry forgot to add that between week one and four of lockdown there where between 4 and 9 children in school and 6 teaching staff." The other children at home were being supported as in set work and work was marked/ assessed/ viewed no? Teachers get paid for 5 hours a day as per contract over 195 days a year so they don’t get paid for 40 at all ever anyway | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling. All good and well. I've got 3 school age children. One will be going into year 9 mainstream school, one going into a specialist private school for autistic children and one starting in reception. I don't have the skills to teach them, never mind all at different levels. It's a hard one. The kids NEED to go back to school for everyone's sake." I can see both sides but this is the truest statement ive read and I empathise. As a mother of three boys of different ages and needs ive personally spent a fortune over lockdown (what i dont think any of us have atm) i cant help thinking school funding / trips missed etc the money could have been put into resources to help parents teach their children at home ... going forward children thrive on routine and socialising as do we and desperately need school. ive seen this first hand for one reason or another. Think how difficult and confusing it has been for us. We cant imagine just how deeply its effecting the children long term. The results given this week and those effected are starting to give an insight. Bottom line you know your kids best and so do the teachers no body shoukd be made to feel bad either side. And fines certainly shouldn’t be being introduced!!!  | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... I find it scary that someone in education separates the effect on a child’s social life and their ‘actual life’. “Children’s social lives have suffered sure”! A child’s social life is not more important than their actual life??? A child’s social life is their actual life! Education is their actual life too! Do you think a child’s education at school is more important than their social life? A child’s social life isn’t as important as they actual life no...... I really cannot fathom that anyone would think otherwise. You would put their and others health at risk for a social life? Are you for real? Go play near a road you may get hit by a car but hey your social life is more important - wtf? Ah... ok you meant their actual life as in loss of life! Sorry misunderstood...though... If I perceived a risk to my child’s life to be significant then no way, If I don’t then I expect the children to be back at school with teachers there to teach them! .... I sit in the second camp for that one. I’m quite alarmed to hear that teaching staff have been working throughout... genuine question because I don’t know whether one of the schools I can refer to furloughed teachers or not ... but the school has just under 1200 pupils and around 180 teaching staff ( figures are rough but not million miles away) what would the 180 staff be doing for 40 hours a week? Sorry forgot to add that between week one and four of lockdown there where between 4 and 9 children in school and 6 teaching staff. The other children at home were being supported as in set work and work was marked/ assessed/ viewed no? Teachers get paid for 5 hours a day as per contract over 195 days a year so they don’t get paid for 40 at all ever anyway " I don’t know that’s why I asked .... so by that my goddaughters day during lockdown should have been an 8.30-3 school day as normal? , as she was being taught by the same resource ? | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... I find it scary that someone in education separates the effect on a child’s social life and their ‘actual life’. “Children’s social lives have suffered sure”! A child’s social life is not more important than their actual life??? A child’s social life is their actual life! Education is their actual life too! Do you think a child’s education at school is more important than their social life? A child’s social life isn’t as important as they actual life no...... I really cannot fathom that anyone would think otherwise. You would put their and others health at risk for a social life? Are you for real? Go play near a road you may get hit by a car but hey your social life is more important - wtf? Ah... ok you meant their actual life as in loss of life! Sorry misunderstood...though... If I perceived a risk to my child’s life to be significant then no way, If I don’t then I expect the children to be back at school with teachers there to teach them! .... I sit in the second camp for that one. I’m quite alarmed to hear that teaching staff have been working throughout... genuine question because I don’t know whether one of the schools I can refer to furloughed teachers or not ... but the school has just under 1200 pupils and around 180 teaching staff ( figures are rough but not million miles away) what would the 180 staff be doing for 40 hours a week? Sorry forgot to add that between week one and four of lockdown there where between 4 and 9 children in school and 6 teaching staff. The other children at home were being supported as in set work and work was marked/ assessed/ viewed no? Teachers get paid for 5 hours a day as per contract over 195 days a year so they don’t get paid for 40 at all ever anyway I don’t know that’s why I asked .... so by that my goddaughters day during lockdown should have been an 8.30-3 school day as normal? , as she was being taught by the same resource ? " Depends how old she is and how many sessions they have a standard primary school has four sessions a day two session in the morning 45mins to an hour and the same in the afternoon the gaps are registration (takes 15 mins) assembly, break, lunch etc so the actual learning is nearer 4 hours a day. | |||
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"I guess from my perspective the kids will bring the virus home they will infect parents, grandparents, teachers, older siblings, child minders the list is endless. NOT being at school is awful but is it more awful than the alternative? I would guess bringing home a virus that killed grandma to be worse on a child’s mental health that a year of online learning. " What online learning???? Our primary school sent home a few old books to read and a few days of BBC bite size online stuff printed and then nothing! I set up a home school schedule and when I sent filled work books to school they were shocked but nothing was marked and returned. He got a mention on Facebook for effort 
One of his teachers called me once! In July! It then turned out not one of his peers had returned work or asked for work!
So when he goes back his class will redo fractions and all the stuff we already did at home 
He's also had nothing in the way of speech therapy or the other support he needs and is supposed to have and he's going to struggle when he goes back because he's never even met the person named as his next teacher, and with lockdown his selective mutism has really set in.
We don't mix with elderly people and I've had covid. My children have probably also had it back in march but I got a flu with that stupid dry cough and the younger ones got less and less symptoms, only I won't drag them in for a blood test when my blood test already shows antibodies.
Being at school is what he needs and he wont kill me or anyone else. If for a second I believed he would be better suited at home I would take him off the school role but just denying all children education, speech therapy, support and access to what ever else they need, social workers etc really?
Support the vulnerable yes. Allow them to stay safe and if required home school/distance teach those ones.
But not at the expense of every child. Not all children that need support have a social worker so are not even allowed in with children of essential workers.
Suggesting a child kills grandma ....
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"I guess from my perspective the kids will bring the virus home they will infect parents, grandparents, teachers, older siblings, child minders the list is endless. NOT being at school is awful but is it more awful than the alternative? I would guess bringing home a virus that killed grandma to be worse on a child’s mental health that a year of online learning. What online learning???? Our primary school sent home a few old books to read and a few days of BBC bite size online stuff printed and then nothing! I set up a home school schedule and when I sent filled work books to school they were shocked but nothing was marked and returned. He got a mention on Facebook for effort
One of his teachers called me once! In July! It then turned out not one of his peers had returned work or asked for work!
So when he goes back his class will redo fractions and all the stuff we already did at home
He's also had nothing in the way of speech therapy or the other support he needs and is supposed to have and he's going to struggle when he goes back because he's never even met the person named as his next teacher, and with lockdown his selective mutism has really set in.
We don't mix with elderly people and I've had covid. My children have probably also had it back in march but I got a flu with that stupid dry cough and the younger ones got less and less symptoms, only I won't drag them in for a blood test when my blood test already shows antibodies.
Being at school is what he needs and he wont kill me or anyone else. If for a second I believed he would be better suited at home I would take him off the school role but just denying all children education, speech therapy, support and access to what ever else they need, social workers etc really?
Support the vulnerable yes. Allow them to stay safe and if required home school/distance teach those ones.
But not at the expense of every child. Not all children that need support have a social worker so are not even allowed in with children of essential workers.
Suggesting a child kills grandma ....
Just No a worldwide virus might affect grandma but let's keep grandma as safe, and as isolated as her risks deem without screwing over the youngsters."Then you need to find your son a better school. Why would you want him back there if it’s rubbish? Antibodies don’t appear to be lasting so you probably won’t still be immune. How about the vulnerable staff and elderly people in school? Don’t they count? Speech therapy is a different agency as is social work which need to carry on in line with a child’s additional needs. If your child is SEND then his needs need to be met by an agency that specialises in that. We need to change the system not throw them all back in. Yes a child in my class did take it home and grandma died .... she was the childcare for that family in mid March. | |||
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One of his teachers called me once! In July! It then turned out not one of his peers had returned work or asked for work!
So when he goes back his class will redo fractions and all the stuff we already did at home
He's also had nothing in the way of speech therapy or the other support he needs and is supposed to have and he's going to struggle when he goes back because he's never even met the person named as his next teacher, and with lockdown his selective mutism has really set in.
We don't mix with elderly people and I've had covid. My children have probably also had it back in march but I got a flu with that stupid dry cough and the younger ones got less and less symptoms, only I won't drag them in for a blood test when my blood test already shows antibodies.
Being at school is what he needs and he wont kill me or anyone else. If for a second I believed he would be better suited at home I would take him off the school role but just denying all children education, speech therapy, support and access to what ever else they need, social workers etc really?
Support the vulnerable yes. Allow them to stay safe and if required home school/distance teach those ones.
But not at the expense of every child. Not all children that need support have a social worker so are not even allowed in with children of essential workers.
Suggesting a child kills grandma ....
Just No a worldwide virus might affect grandma but let's keep grandma as safe, and as isolated as her risks deem without screwing over the youngsters.
Then you need to find your son a better school. Why would you want him back there if it’s rubbish?
Antibodies don’t appear to be lasting so you probably won’t still be immune.
How about the vulnerable staff and elderly people in school? Don’t they count? Speech therapy is a different agency as is social work which need to carry on in line with a child’s additional needs. If your child is SEND then his needs need to be met by an agency that specialises in that. We need to change the system not throw them all back in.
Yes a child in my class did take it home and grandma died .... she was the childcare for that family in mid March.
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"I guess from my perspective the kids will bring the virus home they will infect parents, grandparents, teachers, older siblings, child minders the list is endless. NOT being at school is awful but is it more awful than the alternative? I would guess bringing home a virus that killed grandma to be worse on a child’s mental health that a year of online learning. What online learning???? Our primary school sent home a few old books to read and a few days of BBC bite size online stuff printed and then nothing! I set up a home school schedule and when I sent filled work books to school they were shocked but nothing was marked and returned. He got a mention on Facebook for effort
One of his teachers called me once! In July! It then turned out not one of his peers had returned work or asked for work!
So when he goes back his class will redo fractions and all the stuff we already did at home
He's also had nothing in the way of speech therapy or the other support he needs and is supposed to have and he's going to struggle when he goes back because he's never even met the person named as his next teacher, and with lockdown his selective mutism has really set in.
We don't mix with elderly people and I've had covid. My children have probably also had it back in march but I got a flu with that stupid dry cough and the younger ones got less and less symptoms, only I won't drag them in for a blood test when my blood test already shows antibodies.
Being at school is what he needs and he wont kill me or anyone else. If for a second I believed he would be better suited at home I would take him off the school role but just denying all children education, speech therapy, support and access to what ever else they need, social workers etc really?
Support the vulnerable yes. Allow them to stay safe and if required home school/distance teach those ones.
But not at the expense of every child. Not all children that need support have a social worker so are not even allowed in with children of essential workers.
Suggesting a child kills grandma ....
Just No a worldwide virus might affect grandma but let's keep grandma as safe, and as isolated as her risks deem without screwing over the youngsters.
Then you need to find your son a better school. Why would you want him back there if it’s rubbish?
Antibodies don’t appear to be lasting so you probably won’t still be immune.
How about the vulnerable staff and elderly people in school? Don’t they count? Speech therapy is a different agency as is social work which need to carry on in line with a child’s additional needs. If your child is SEND then his needs need to be met by an agency that specialises in that. We need to change the system not throw them all back in.
Yes a child in my class did take it home and grandma died .... she was the childcare for that family in mid March.
Antibodies will reduce to a minimum.
Until the virus tries to enter your body.
Then the antibodies will multiply and kill it off.
Then reduce in number and so on and so on." not my area of knowledge so thanks for that ... school I know antibodies I don’t  | |||
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Even if I get exposed again then my body knows how to fight it and IF I do get it again (which not 1 person on the planet has) I'm likely to have less symptoms not more.
Over 70% of people get covid without symptoms. If it was over 70% of people are seriously at risk from catching covid I would absolutely agree the risk of school is too high.
How, how are children supposed to get assessed for any support if the services are cancelled because the schools are closed? How are those mid assessment or already assessed? Closing schools to all doesn't just cancel the academic lessons. It has wider reaching consequences. Hundreds of young carers with no support, hundreds of young children with other difficulties with no support. Hundreds of children trapped 24/7 in households with DV. This list goes on and on.
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" Then you need to find your son a better school. Why would you want him back there if it’s rubbish? Antibodies don’t appear to be lasting so you probably won’t still be immune. How about the vulnerable staff and elderly people in school? Don’t they count? Speech therapy is a different agency as is social work which need to carry on in line with a child’s additional needs. If your child is SEND then his needs need to be met by an agency that specialises in that. We need to change the system not throw them all back in. Yes a child in my class did take it home and grandma died .... she was the childcare for that family in mid March. It's not a case of finding a better school because all the schools are under funded and short staffed. The staff at that school are actually good caring people and were crippled by the strings. As is every primary school. I already said we should protect the vulnerable that includes vulnerable staff. My gp and everyone I've spoken to within the NHS think I'm not at any risk from dying from covid
Even if I get exposed again then my body knows how to fight it and IF I do get it again (which not 1 person on the planet has) I'm likely to have less symptoms not more.
Over 70% of people get covid without symptoms. If it was over 70% of people are seriously at risk from catching covid I would absolutely agree the risk of school is too high.
How, how are children supposed to get assessed for any support if the services are cancelled because the schools are closed? How are those mid assessment or already assessed? Closing schools to all doesn't just cancel the academic lessons. It has wider reaching consequences. Hundreds of young carers with no support, hundreds of young children with other difficulties with no support. Hundreds of children trapped 24/7 in households with DV. This list goes on and on.
Protect the vulnerable yes but not at the expense of the youngsters."Schools have never been closed ... SALT are working just at home. Assessment panels should be working as they are able to socially distance. 70% asymptomatic is even worse. 5 schools in Scotland have closed in their first week due to covid outbreaks. Education still needs to happen just not en mass face to face / I’m in favour of blended learning one week on one week off as then children get 9 days out of school to assess any symptoms. Sadly vulnerable staff are not being protected. I totally agree with the underfunding people however keep voting them in so that won’t change unless the electorate changes its habits. | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... I find it scary that someone in education separates the effect on a child’s social life and their ‘actual life’. “Children’s social lives have suffered sure”! A child’s social life is not more important than their actual life??? A child’s social life is their actual life! Education is their actual life too! Do you think a child’s education at school is more important than their social life? A child’s social life isn’t as important as they actual life no...... I really cannot fathom that anyone would think otherwise. You would put their and others health at risk for a social life? Are you for real? Go play near a road you may get hit by a car but hey your social life is more important - wtf? Ah... ok you meant their actual life as in loss of life! Sorry misunderstood...though... If I perceived a risk to my child’s life to be significant then no way, If I don’t then I expect the children to be back at school with teachers there to teach them! .... I sit in the second camp for that one. I’m quite alarmed to hear that teaching staff have been working throughout... genuine question because I don’t know whether one of the schools I can refer to furloughed teachers or not ... but the school has just under 1200 pupils and around 180 teaching staff ( figures are rough but not million miles away) what would the 180 staff be doing for 40 hours a week? Sorry forgot to add that between week one and four of lockdown there where between 4 and 9 children in school and 6 teaching staff. The other children at home were being supported as in set work and work was marked/ assessed/ viewed no? Teachers get paid for 5 hours a day as per contract over 195 days a year so they don’t get paid for 40 at all ever anyway I don’t know that’s why I asked .... so by that my goddaughters day during lockdown should have been an 8.30-3 school day as normal? , as she was being taught by the same resource ? Depends how old she is and how many sessions they have a standard primary school has four sessions a day two session in the morning 45mins to an hour and the same in the afternoon the gaps are registration (takes 15 mins) assembly, break, lunch etc so the actual learning is nearer 4 hours a day. " She’s 14/15 | |||
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"I guess from my perspective the kids will bring the virus home they will infect parents, grandparents, teachers, older siblings, child minders the list is endless. NOT being at school is awful but is it more awful than the alternative? I would guess bringing home a virus that killed grandma to be worse on a child’s mental health that a year of online learning. What online learning???? Our primary school sent home a few old books to read and a few days of BBC bite size online stuff printed and then nothing! I set up a home school schedule and when I sent filled work books to school they were shocked but nothing was marked and returned. He got a mention on Facebook for effort
One of his teachers called me once! In July! It then turned out not one of his peers had returned work or asked for work!
So when he goes back his class will redo fractions and all the stuff we already did at home
He's also had nothing in the way of speech therapy or the other support he needs and is supposed to have and he's going to struggle when he goes back because he's never even met the person named as his next teacher, and with lockdown his selective mutism has really set in.
We don't mix with elderly people and I've had covid. My children have probably also had it back in march but I got a flu with that stupid dry cough and the younger ones got less and less symptoms, only I won't drag them in for a blood test when my blood test already shows antibodies.
Being at school is what he needs and he wont kill me or anyone else. If for a second I believed he would be better suited at home I would take him off the school role but just denying all children education, speech therapy, support and access to what ever else they need, social workers etc really?
Support the vulnerable yes. Allow them to stay safe and if required home school/distance teach those ones.
But not at the expense of every child. Not all children that need support have a social worker so are not even allowed in with children of essential workers.
Suggesting a child kills grandma ....
Just No a worldwide virus might affect grandma but let's keep grandma as safe, and as isolated as her risks deem without screwing over the youngsters.
Then you need to find your son a better school. Why would you want him back there if it’s rubbish?
Antibodies don’t appear to be lasting so you probably won’t still be immune.
How about the vulnerable staff and elderly people in school? Don’t they count? Speech therapy is a different agency as is social work which need to carry on in line with a child’s additional needs. If your child is SEND then his needs need to be met by an agency that specialises in that. We need to change the system not throw them all back in.
Yes a child in my class did take it home and grandma died .... she was the childcare for that family in mid March.
"And this experience is closer to the one my god daughter has .... and others though I don’t know them as well so wouldn’t like to say if true. My daughter though was back into nursery pretty soon after they reopened .... not because I don’t care, not because we’d have starved without going to work but because I desperately wanted her back with her peers playing at growing up! | |||
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"Continue here it was interesting seeing the replys, despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling." Personally I do not think that schools should open until both houses in parliament are sitting in full and have been for a couple of months without any positive cases of COVID-19. Teaching virtually via Microsoft teams should be the way forward until then. I don't want my teenage son used as a guinea pig by this government. | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... " Classrooms in hundreds as in purely on line. One teacher (or someone to look at on a screen) could have a few hundred viewers Shools not closed. Isn't that like saying churches never closed although the doors are locked. It is the interaction from the parents is the problem. Not every parent has the time or ability to be there with the children. There are many, many households where both parents were working to make ends meet and now at least one parent cannot because child care is impossible financially. The children rely (not as they all realise it) on the classroom, the teacher and the interaction with other children. Take away those and take away their future It's not only children's social lives that have suffered but also adults. So, when do you suggest the schools abd teachers return? There's no guarantee that Covid is going anywhere soon so why destroy the country financially by pandering to teachers and the unions? | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day ------ Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... All that parents have needed to do is make sure the kids did the work provided. Laptops have been provided for kids with no computer, even 4G MiFi devices have been issued. We have also made printed versions of all the work available for anyone who wanted it. --- Don't the parents need to work ?" Don't the parents need to parent? Isn't looking after their children legally and morally the sole responsibility of the parents (or guardian). Cal | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day ------ Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... All that parents have needed to do is make sure the kids did the work provided. Laptops have been provided for kids with no computer, even 4G MiFi devices have been issued. We have also made printed versions of all the work available for anyone who wanted it. --- Don't the parents need to work ? Don't the parents need to parent? Isn't looking after their children legally and morally the sole responsibility of the parents (or guardian). Cal" ... that would be why they go out to work to provide a roof over their heads, and food on the table. | |||
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"They have already opened up here and it's for the best. Our children have missed so much already and it was needed for their mental health as well as their education. Only time will tell the impact of this but they can't stay closed forever and the virus isn't going to vanish. I've friends who are teachers and have had no issue with going back, Infact they were glad to. The other element is that we need to restart the economy, people need to get back to work for survival. Without the schools, lots wouldn't be able to. I had no quams sending my boys to school this week and both of them were pleased to be going back and seeing their friends, as well as getting some normality back. I also would have a real issue with the notion that it's safe to send the Scottish schools back but not the English. While I'm not dismissing the seriousness of the pandemic, life has to carry on. We can't stop indefinitely. " | |||
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"I notice, that there is no judgment on Nicola opening our schools here in Scotland, why would that be? Probably because she hasn't used her dogs in the media to savage them and tried to emotionally b######## them into.going back to work. That would be my guess. Give it a fucking break! If you really disagreed with it all, you would be involving the Irish, Scottish and Welsh in it all but no, all you are doing is blaming Westminster, who so far has supplied all the money! All businesses, the self employed (my hairdresser received her money within 2 days in her application) So why carry on with this shit, just wait for the next election and then vote, in the meantime I think we are all bored with reading the same shit every day! " | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day ------ Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... All that parents have needed to do is make sure the kids did the work provided. Laptops have been provided for kids with no computer, even 4G MiFi devices have been issued. We have also made printed versions of all the work available for anyone who wanted it. --- Don't the parents need to work ? Don't the parents need to parent? Isn't looking after their children legally and morally the sole responsibility of the parents (or guardian). Cal ... that would be why they go out to work to provide a roof over their heads, and food on the table. " Here is the dilemma is material stuff more important at the moment or physical support to kids to guarantee their health? We live in a society where both parents work, tech through their eyeballs, rooms of their own, two or more cars, used to a substantial disposable income. Maybe that’s not possible for the short term and we need to re evaluate what is important to families. | |||
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"They have already opened up here and it's for the best. Our children have missed so much already and it was needed for their mental health as well as their education. Only time will tell the impact of this but they can't stay closed forever and the virus isn't going to vanish. I've friends who are teachers and have had no issue with going back, Infact they were glad to. The other element is that we need to restart the economy, people need to get back to work for survival. Without the schools, lots wouldn't be able to. I had no quams sending my boys to school this week and both of them were pleased to be going back and seeing their friends, as well as getting some normality back. I also would have a real issue with the notion that it's safe to send the Scottish schools back but not the English. While I'm not dismissing the seriousness of the pandemic, life has to carry on. We can't stop indefinitely. " 8 schools in Scotland have closed due to covid outbreaks in week 1. | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... Classrooms in hundreds as in purely on line. One teacher (or someone to look at on a screen) could have a few hundred viewers Shools not closed. Isn't that like saying churches never closed although the doors are locked. It is the interaction from the parents is the problem. Not every parent has the time or ability to be there with the children. There are many, many households where both parents were working to make ends meet and now at least one parent cannot because child care is impossible financially. The children rely (not as they all realise it) on the classroom, the teacher and the interaction with other children. Take away those and take away their future It's not only children's social lives that have suffered but also adults. So, when do you suggest the schools abd teachers return? There's no guarantee that Covid is going anywhere soon so why destroy the country financially by pandering to teachers and the unions? " The issue is that schools opening too soon will just spread more infections .... i would propose a one week on one week off blended learning for the first half term at least. Classes can cope with 15 pupils and teachers can work with that to set work for week 1 and projects to support learning for week 2. This way the children have 9 between sessions which would identify any increase in infection rates without a huge spike. Teacher would be in full time but their daily risk would be halved. Parents need to be parents as well as workers- it isn’t the job of teachers to parent children that’s the parents job surely. There are two issues - are we talking about what is best for the children’s health and education? Or are we talking about childcare so parents can get back to work? Teachers and school isn’t childcare - from a purely education / safety point of view it’s utter madness to send all back at once. If you just want parents back to work to earn money then hey fuck it get them all back in teachers are disposable | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... Classrooms in hundreds as in purely on line. One teacher (or someone to look at on a screen) could have a few hundred viewers Shools not closed. Isn't that like saying churches never closed although the doors are locked. It is the interaction from the parents is the problem. Not every parent has the time or ability to be there with the children. There are many, many households where both parents were working to make ends meet and now at least one parent cannot because child care is impossible financially. The children rely (not as they all realise it) on the classroom, the teacher and the interaction with other children. Take away those and take away their future It's not only children's social lives that have suffered but also adults. So, when do you suggest the schools abd teachers return? There's no guarantee that Covid is going anywhere soon so why destroy the country financially by pandering to teachers and the unions? The issue is that schools opening too soon will just spread more infections .... i would propose a one week on one week off blended learning for the first half term at least. Classes can cope with 15 pupils and teachers can work with that to set work for week 1 and projects to support learning for week 2. This way the children have 9 between sessions which would identify any increase in infection rates without a huge spike. Teacher would be in full time but their daily risk would be halved. Parents need to be parents as well as workers- it isn’t the job of teachers to parent children that’s the parents job surely. There are two issues - are we talking about what is best for the children’s health and education? Or are we talking about childcare so parents can get back to work? Teachers and school isn’t childcare - from a purely education / safety point of view it’s utter madness to send all back at once. If you just want parents back to work to earn money then hey fuck it get them all back in teachers are disposable " The children are mixing in non social distanced groups on playdates anyway, you can have a closed bubble at school then they break the bubble playing with their mates and siblings at home | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... Classrooms in hundreds as in purely on line. One teacher (or someone to look at on a screen) could have a few hundred viewers Shools not closed. Isn't that like saying churches never closed although the doors are locked. It is the interaction from the parents is the problem. Not every parent has the time or ability to be there with the children. There are many, many households where both parents were working to make ends meet and now at least one parent cannot because child care is impossible financially. The children rely (not as they all realise it) on the classroom, the teacher and the interaction with other children. Take away those and take away their future It's not only children's social lives that have suffered but also adults. So, when do you suggest the schools abd teachers return? There's no guarantee that Covid is going anywhere soon so why destroy the country financially by pandering to teachers and the unions? The issue is that schools opening too soon will just spread more infections .... i would propose a one week on one week off blended learning for the first half term at least. Classes can cope with 15 pupils and teachers can work with that to set work for week 1 and projects to support learning for week 2. This way the children have 9 between sessions which would identify any increase in infection rates without a huge spike. Teacher would be in full time but their daily risk would be halved. Parents need to be parents as well as workers- it isn’t the job of teachers to parent children that’s the parents job surely. There are two issues - are we talking about what is best for the children’s health and education? Or are we talking about childcare so parents can get back to work? Teachers and school isn’t childcare - from a purely education / safety point of view it’s utter madness to send all back at once. If you just want parents back to work to earn money then hey fuck it get them all back in teachers are disposable The children are mixing in non social distanced groups on playdates anyway, you can have a closed bubble at school then they break the bubble playing with their mates and siblings at home" Then they have shit parents and that is even more unfair on school staff. | |||
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"They have already opened up here and it's for the best. Our children have missed so much already and it was needed for their mental health as well as their education. Only time will tell the impact of this but they can't stay closed forever and the virus isn't going to vanish. I've friends who are teachers and have had no issue with going back, Infact they were glad to. The other element is that we need to restart the economy, people need to get back to work for survival. Without the schools, lots wouldn't be able to. I had no quams sending my boys to school this week and both of them were pleased to be going back and seeing their friends, as well as getting some normality back. I also would have a real issue with the notion that it's safe to send the Scottish schools back but not the English. While I'm not dismissing the seriousness of the pandemic, life has to carry on. We can't stop indefinitely. 8 schools in Scotland have closed due to covid outbreaks in week 1. " Which schools? And yes there may be cases that arise. It isn't going away. Equally they could have been picked up in the local supermarket | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... Classrooms in hundreds as in purely on line. One teacher (or someone to look at on a screen) could have a few hundred viewers Shools not closed. Isn't that like saying churches never closed although the doors are locked. It is the interaction from the parents is the problem. Not every parent has the time or ability to be there with the children. There are many, many households where both parents were working to make ends meet and now at least one parent cannot because child care is impossible financially. The children rely (not as they all realise it) on the classroom, the teacher and the interaction with other children. Take away those and take away their future It's not only children's social lives that have suffered but also adults. So, when do you suggest the schools abd teachers return? There's no guarantee that Covid is going anywhere soon so why destroy the country financially by pandering to teachers and the unions? The issue is that schools opening too soon will just spread more infections .... i would propose a one week on one week off blended learning for the first half term at least. Classes can cope with 15 pupils and teachers can work with that to set work for week 1 and projects to support learning for week 2. This way the children have 9 between sessions which would identify any increase in infection rates without a huge spike. Teacher would be in full time but their daily risk would be halved. Parents need to be parents as well as workers- it isn’t the job of teachers to parent children that’s the parents job surely. There are two issues - are we talking about what is best for the children’s health and education? Or are we talking about childcare so parents can get back to work? Teachers and school isn’t childcare - from a purely education / safety point of view it’s utter madness to send all back at once. If you just want parents back to work to earn money then hey fuck it get them all back in teachers are disposable The children are mixing in non social distanced groups on playdates anyway, you can have a closed bubble at school then they break the bubble playing with their mates and siblings at home Then they have shit parents and that is even more unfair on school staff. " No that is just reality after 5 1/2 months. | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day ------ Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... All that parents have needed to do is make sure the kids did the work provided. Laptops have been provided for kids with no computer, even 4G MiFi devices have been issued. We have also made printed versions of all the work available for anyone who wanted it. --- Don't the parents need to work ? Don't the parents need to parent? Isn't looking after their children legally and morally the sole responsibility of the parents (or guardian). Cal ... that would be why they go out to work to provide a roof over their heads, and food on the table. Here is the dilemma is material stuff more important at the moment or physical support to kids to guarantee their health? We live in a society where both parents work, tech through their eyeballs, rooms of their own, two or more cars, used to a substantial disposable income. Maybe that’s not possible for the short term and we need to re evaluate what is important to families. " No dilemma really ... what is important for some families is roof over their heads and food on the table. If they don't work, they can't do this | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... Classrooms in hundreds as in purely on line. One teacher (or someone to look at on a screen) could have a few hundred viewers Shools not closed. Isn't that like saying churches never closed although the doors are locked. It is the interaction from the parents is the problem. Not every parent has the time or ability to be there with the children. There are many, many households where both parents were working to make ends meet and now at least one parent cannot because child care is impossible financially. The children rely (not as they all realise it) on the classroom, the teacher and the interaction with other children. Take away those and take away their future It's not only children's social lives that have suffered but also adults. So, when do you suggest the schools abd teachers return? There's no guarantee that Covid is going anywhere soon so why destroy the country financially by pandering to teachers and the unions? The issue is that schools opening too soon will just spread more infections .... i would propose a one week on one week off blended learning for the first half term at least. Classes can cope with 15 pupils and teachers can work with that to set work for week 1 and projects to support learning for week 2. This way the children have 9 between sessions which would identify any increase in infection rates without a huge spike. Teacher would be in full time but their daily risk would be halved. Parents need to be parents as well as workers- it isn’t the job of teachers to parent children that’s the parents job surely. There are two issues - are we talking about what is best for the children’s health and education? Or are we talking about childcare so parents can get back to work? Teachers and school isn’t childcare - from a purely education / safety point of view it’s utter madness to send all back at once. If you just want parents back to work to earn money then hey fuck it get them all back in teachers are disposable The children are mixing in non social distanced groups on playdates anyway, you can have a closed bubble at school then they break the bubble playing with their mates and siblings at home Then they have shit parents and that is even more unfair on school staff. No that is just reality after 5 1/2 months." It’s horrifically unfair - if you can’t parent your child then you’re a shit parent. Children should be socially dosntacing in England .... being a useless parent is easy being a good responsible one is harder. You can make whatever excuses you like. The fact that people are t socially distancing is half the reason why we are in this state - inept weak leadership is the other. Reality means higher infections and inflicting your children on vulnerable teaching staff ..... soooo selfish. | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... Classrooms in hundreds as in purely on line. One teacher (or someone to look at on a screen) could have a few hundred viewers Shools not closed. Isn't that like saying churches never closed although the doors are locked. It is the interaction from the parents is the problem. Not every parent has the time or ability to be there with the children. There are many, many households where both parents were working to make ends meet and now at least one parent cannot because child care is impossible financially. The children rely (not as they all realise it) on the classroom, the teacher and the interaction with other children. Take away those and take away their future It's not only children's social lives that have suffered but also adults. So, when do you suggest the schools abd teachers return? There's no guarantee that Covid is going anywhere soon so why destroy the country financially by pandering to teachers and the unions? The issue is that schools opening too soon will just spread more infections .... i would propose a one week on one week off blended learning for the first half term at least. Classes can cope with 15 pupils and teachers can work with that to set work for week 1 and projects to support learning for week 2. This way the children have 9 between sessions which would identify any increase in infection rates without a huge spike. Teacher would be in full time but their daily risk would be halved. Parents need to be parents as well as workers- it isn’t the job of teachers to parent children that’s the parents job surely. There are two issues - are we talking about what is best for the children’s health and education? Or are we talking about childcare so parents can get back to work? Teachers and school isn’t childcare - from a purely education / safety point of view it’s utter madness to send all back at once. If you just want parents back to work to earn money then hey fuck it get them all back in teachers are disposable The children are mixing in non social distanced groups on playdates anyway, you can have a closed bubble at school then they break the bubble playing with their mates and siblings at home Then they have shit parents and that is even more unfair on school staff. No that is just reality after 5 1/2 months. It’s horrifically unfair - if you can’t parent your child then you’re a shit parent. Children should be socially dosntacing in England .... being a useless parent is easy being a good responsible one is harder. You can make whatever excuses you like. The fact that people are t socially distancing is half the reason why we are in this state - inept weak leadership is the other. Reality means higher infections and inflicting your children on vulnerable teaching staff ..... soooo selfish. " What higher infection. We have a rate of 0.6% positive on a 7 day rolling average. According to those tin foil hat wearing loons at The world health organisation under 5% is under control. But great work calling people shit parents | |||
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"Why is it a matter of morals to have children educated in a classroom or a school rather than some other way? Maybe you're in a different world but there are hundreds and thousands of children that will definitely lose out on the educational standards. Not all children will have the discipline to work at home to attain standards. Not all parents are capable of giving discipline so that the children will do school work. Not all children have the facilities to learn at home. The classroom does at least give the majority of children the ability to learn. However, in a few years time when all these leave 'school' uneducated and/or illiterate, can the unions be held to account. If we are moving to a new phase of no schools, then get rid of 90%if teachers then class sizes can be hundreds but individual. Personally, I agree that schools should go back and the teachers as soon as possible and if they won't, then dismiss them. The unions want their membership to stay at home and get paid for doing nothing. Brilliant till there's 10 years of children that are incapable of basic tasks. Either get back to teach kids or get a job that you're happy at, sat shelf filling You really have no clue how the classroom works do you. Do you work in education I would guess not. What on earth does classrooms be in hundreds mean? Schools have never closed learning has never stopped ... it just depends how engaged parents have been with their child’s learning as to how effective it has been. Children’s social lives have suffered sure but kids social lives are not more important than actual lives. Had people been following guidelines and not meeting people then infections rates would have been a lot lower by now and it would be a LOT safer. We all had a part to play and lots of people were too selfish .... Classrooms in hundreds as in purely on line. One teacher (or someone to look at on a screen) could have a few hundred viewers Shools not closed. Isn't that like saying churches never closed although the doors are locked. It is the interaction from the parents is the problem. Not every parent has the time or ability to be there with the children. There are many, many households where both parents were working to make ends meet and now at least one parent cannot because child care is impossible financially. The children rely (not as they all realise it) on the classroom, the teacher and the interaction with other children. Take away those and take away their future It's not only children's social lives that have suffered but also adults. So, when do you suggest the schools abd teachers return? There's no guarantee that Covid is going anywhere soon so why destroy the country financially by pandering to teachers and the unions? The issue is that schools opening too soon will just spread more infections .... i would propose a one week on one week off blended learning for the first half term at least. Classes can cope with 15 pupils and teachers can work with that to set work for week 1 and projects to support learning for week 2. This way the children have 9 between sessions which would identify any increase in infection rates without a huge spike. Teacher would be in full time but their daily risk would be halved. Parents need to be parents as well as workers- it isn’t the job of teachers to parent children that’s the parents job surely. There are two issues - are we talking about what is best for the children’s health and education? Or are we talking about childcare so parents can get back to work? Teachers and school isn’t childcare - from a purely education / safety point of view it’s utter madness to send all back at once. If you just want parents back to work to earn money then hey fuck it get them all back in teachers are disposable The children are mixing in non social distanced groups on playdates anyway, you can have a closed bubble at school then they break the bubble playing with their mates and siblings at home Then they have shit parents and that is even more unfair on school staff. No that is just reality after 5 1/2 months. It’s horrifically unfair - if you can’t parent your child then you’re a shit parent. Children should be socially dosntacing in England .... being a useless parent is easy being a good responsible one is harder. You can make whatever excuses you like. The fact that people are t socially distancing is half the reason why we are in this state - inept weak leadership is the other. Reality means higher infections and inflicting your children on vulnerable teaching staff ..... soooo selfish. What higher infection. We have a rate of 0.6% positive on a 7 day rolling average. According to those tin foil hat wearing loons at The world health organisation under 5% is under control. But great work calling people shit parents" Shit parents exist .... what are you disputing? That all parents are perfect? If you let your kids do what they like that’s being a shit parent is it not? | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Aye they will be wanting schools open in October when it stops. See above we have been working throughout ... never been furloughed. Not up here they haven't schools are all shut up Schools have been open to keyworker children and EHCP children throughout it wasn’t a choice. The only way schools would have been closed is if there were not keyworker children or EHCP children or they had been shut due to covid outbreaks no staff etc. Even then teachers were teaching children online no teacher has been furloughed. " its been clear since april that both the quality and quantity if home / online learning varied from school to school... i personally know teachers who unless on their rota turn to be onsite for the key worker kids which was a week here or there... they havent worked at all since the schools closed other than a few days to move the classroom around | |||
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"The utter hypocrisy of Johnson saying the teachers have a “moral duty” to reopen the schools. The scoundrel wouldn’t know moral duty if it bit him on the backside. Regardless of his own personal moral standing, he's still right in what he says - there is a moral duty to ensure students are back in classroom learning. Put aside his personal moral standing - the moral bankruptcy of his so-called government (sleazy deals, one law for them and another for us etc) makes it difficult for him to preach, and with the idiotic Williamson in charge of education, I’m sorry, they’ll have to do better than invoke somebody else’s “moral duty”. Who would run it better?? Education secretary much like health is a poison chalice of a post - damned if you do/don’t. Right now there isn’t a single person that would be better (that actually wants the position). The whole situation is fubar - it’s all best guess and speculation, the science changes on a weekly basis as that’s how quick they are learning about the virus. From the amount of kids playing together at parks, teens getting together in the evenings etc - just open the bloody schools in September! If someone in your household is shielding or high risk they keep their child home. Tbh - those of us that are key workers haven’t stopped, putting ourselves at risk on a daily basis right from the start of lockdown - ffs every one that can should get back into work and If that means opening schools to enable it then so be it. Oh just an FYI - I’ve got 2 girls in primary education that will be going back to school the day the doors open...... "
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. " what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on " Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. | |||
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"Take the furlough money off the teachers then get the power crazed unions to see how many members stay at home Aye they will be wanting schools open in October when it stops. See above we have been working throughout ... never been furloughed. Not up here they haven't schools are all shut up Schools have been open to keyworker children and EHCP children throughout it wasn’t a choice. The only way schools would have been closed is if there were not keyworker children or EHCP children or they had been shut due to covid outbreaks no staff etc. Even then teachers were teaching children online no teacher has been furloughed. ----- its been clear since april that both the quality and quantity if home / online learning varied from school to school... i personally know teachers who unless on their rota turn to be onsite for the key worker kids which was a week here or there... they havent worked at all since the schools closed other than a few days to move the classroom around " From talking to various friends from around the country, the quality of provision has varied massively. I personally have been in school pretty much every day throughout the lockdown, we have had key workers children every week day including half term and Bank Holidays, there has been work set and shared via email online folders (printed versionswere available too), there has been a full timetable of "zoom lessons", we have provided students with laptops and 4g devices so they can access the online resources. On top of all that, all staff have been required to phone the students in their tutor groups every week, in an effort to keep abreast of the students welfare and state of mind. We have delivered food to homes to ensure that kids can eat, we have even provided recreational resources to some families. Cal | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble." Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about?" Oh like when I was telling you about my mrs nursing home had been infected by patients from the nhs. You were basically calling me a liar. 3 weeks later it broke on the news. 3 weeks after me and my wife caught the virus. So tell me is a teachers life more important than my wifes. It must be because my wife was on minimum wage and no ppe . While teachers were tucked up safely in their houses. | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? Oh like when I was telling you about my mrs nursing home had been infected by patients from the nhs. You were basically calling me a liar. 3 weeks later it broke on the news. 3 weeks after me and my wife caught the virus. So tell me is a teachers life more important than my wifes. It must be because my wife was on minimum wage and no ppe . While teachers were tucked up safely in their houses." As I recall you said the nhs had sent all the patients to the care homes..it was this I disputed. And it was the gmnt who made that decision. If your wife worked in a care home she should have been provided with adequate ppe. No ones life is more important than anyone else. I dont really get your point about teachers.. schools should have been open because care homes were? | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about?" i dont doubt that she knows what she is talking about, my point is the experience she is talking about is far from representative of all schools | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? i dont doubt that she knows what she is talking about, my point is the experience she is talking about is far from representative of all schools " Maybe not but she seems more informed than people on here spouting nonsense they have read in the daily mail. | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? i dont doubt that she knows what she is talking about, my point is the experience she is talking about is far from representative of all schools Maybe not but she seems more informed than people on here spouting nonsense they have read in the daily mail." every comment i have made has been from conversations had directly with people i know from my day to day life who are employed in education or have children in the education system ... they have no reason to lie to me just because people have a range of views and you deem only one of them to be in agreement with your thoughts, doesn’t mean the rest were made up or came from the media ... and just because qadesh is a teacher does not mean her experience represents the entire education system | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? i dont doubt that she knows what she is talking about, my point is the experience she is talking about is far from representative of all schools Maybe not but she seems more informed than people on here spouting nonsense they have read in the daily mail. every comment i have made has been from conversations had directly with people i know from my day to day life who are employed in education or have children in the education system ... they have no reason to lie to me just because people have a range of views and you deem only one of them to be in agreement with your thoughts, doesn’t mean the rest were made up or came from the media ... and just because qadesh is a teacher does not mean her experience represents the entire education system " Sorry that comment wssnt really aimed at you. It was more to do with teachers being furloughed. Power crazed unions etc. | |||
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"Just before the 6-week holidays the head of NEU Teacher’s Union was tricked by Radio 4’s Today Program into admitting they weren’t bothered about children and were in fact just against the government and “trying to get the best deal for its paying members”, ie teachers!" You write some utter bullshit. I suggest anyone interested actually takes a look at the NEU website, the campaign they ran trying to get a proper summer programme for everyones kids, extra buildings and staff for the autumn, the work teachers did over Easter holidays and half term, work the NEU and teachers are doing to make our Schools as safe as possible and indeed are doing now behind the scenes over the summer. | |||
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"Just before the 6-week holidays the head of NEU Teacher’s Union was tricked by Radio 4’s Today Program into admitting they weren’t bothered about children and were in fact just against the government and “trying to get the best deal for its paying members”, ie teachers!" I doubt if it was a "Trick". It is no secret that any Teachers Union is there to protect Teachers, that is their reason for being (it's a bit obvious really). The whole reason that the unions have an issue with the way that schools are being reopened, is because there is no concern for the welfare of the teachers. The government should either do away with all restrictions everywhere, or apply the same conditions to schools that they are imposing on the general population. Teachers are more keen to get schools open than anyone else, but there is still a duty of care due to staff to protect their welfare as well as that of the kids. Cal | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? Oh like when I was telling you about my mrs nursing home had been infected by patients from the nhs. You were basically calling me a liar. 3 weeks later it broke on the news. 3 weeks after me and my wife caught the virus. So tell me is a teachers life more important than my wifes. It must be because my wife was on minimum wage and no ppe . While teachers were tucked up safely in their houses. As I recall you said the nhs had sent all the patients to the care homes..it was this I disputed. And it was the gmnt who made that decision. If your wife worked in a care home she should have been provided with adequate ppe. No ones life is more important than anyone else. I dont really get your point about teachers.. schools should have been open because care homes were?" You said she is a teacher so she knows what she is talking about. My point at the time was that I knew what I was talking about and loads of people on here including you were more of less calling me a liar because it had not broke into the news at that time. I never commented on all the patients that went to care home. I mentioned ths 3 that were sent to To her home who then died along with another 18. Familys have already started a legal fight against the manager who released them to the home. So actually the nhs gave my wife and I the virus. | |||
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"Just before the 6-week holidays the head of NEU Teacher’s Union was tricked by Radio 4’s Today Program into admitting they weren’t bothered about children and were in fact just against the government and “trying to get the best deal for its paying members”, ie teachers! I doubt if it was a "Trick". It is no secret that any Teachers Union is there to protect Teachers, that is their reason for being (it's a bit obvious really). The whole reason that the unions have an issue with the way that schools are being reopened, is because there is no concern for the welfare of the teachers. The government should either do away with all restrictions everywhere, or apply the same conditions to schools that they are imposing on the general population. Teachers are more keen to get schools open than anyone else, but there is still a duty of care due to staff to protect their welfare as well as that of the kids. Cal" Yet they are being slated for doing so | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? Oh like when I was telling you about my mrs nursing home had been infected by patients from the nhs. You were basically calling me a liar. 3 weeks later it broke on the news. 3 weeks after me and my wife caught the virus. So tell me is a teachers life more important than my wifes. It must be because my wife was on minimum wage and no ppe . While teachers were tucked up safely in their houses. As I recall you said the nhs had sent all the patients to the care homes..it was this I disputed. And it was the gmnt who made that decision. If your wife worked in a care home she should have been provided with adequate ppe. No ones life is more important than anyone else. I dont really get your point about teachers.. schools should have been open because care homes were? You said she is a teacher so she knows what she is talking about. My point at the time was that I knew what I was talking about and loads of people on here including you were more of less calling me a liar because it had not broke into the news at that time. I never commented on all the patients that went to care home. I mentioned ths 3 that were sent to To her home who then died along with another 18. Familys have already started a legal fight against the manager who released them to the home. So actually the nhs gave my wife and I the virus." No they didnt. The gmnt made that decision. Do some research. | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? Oh like when I was telling you about my mrs nursing home had been infected by patients from the nhs. You were basically calling me a liar. 3 weeks later it broke on the news. 3 weeks after me and my wife caught the virus. So tell me is a teachers life more important than my wifes. It must be because my wife was on minimum wage and no ppe . While teachers were tucked up safely in their houses. As I recall you said the nhs had sent all the patients to the care homes..it was this I disputed. And it was the gmnt who made that decision. If your wife worked in a care home she should have been provided with adequate ppe. No ones life is more important than anyone else. I dont really get your point about teachers.. schools should have been open because care homes were? You said she is a teacher so she knows what she is talking about. My point at the time was that I knew what I was talking about and loads of people on here including you were more of less calling me a liar because it had not broke into the news at that time. I never commented on all the patients that went to care home. I mentioned ths 3 that were sent to To her home who then died along with another 18. Familys have already started a legal fight against the manager who released them to the home. So actually the nhs gave my wife and I the virus. No they didnt. The gmnt made that decision. Do some research." Te fact is my infection came from the nhs. If those 3 were never sent there wouldn't have caught it. | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? Oh like when I was telling you about my mrs nursing home had been infected by patients from the nhs. You were basically calling me a liar. 3 weeks later it broke on the news. 3 weeks after me and my wife caught the virus. So tell me is a teachers life more important than my wifes. It must be because my wife was on minimum wage and no ppe . While teachers were tucked up safely in their houses. As I recall you said the nhs had sent all the patients to the care homes..it was this I disputed. And it was the gmnt who made that decision. If your wife worked in a care home she should have been provided with adequate ppe. No ones life is more important than anyone else. I dont really get your point about teachers.. schools should have been open because care homes were? You said she is a teacher so she knows what she is talking about. My point at the time was that I knew what I was talking about and loads of people on here including you were more of less calling me a liar because it had not broke into the news at that time. I never commented on all the patients that went to care home. I mentioned ths 3 that were sent to To her home who then died along with another 18. Familys have already started a legal fight against the manager who released them to the home. So actually the nhs gave my wife and I the virus. No they didnt. The gmnt made that decision. Do some research." I have On 17 March, NHS England and NHS Improvement wrote to trusts telling them to “expand critical care capacity to the maximum” by freeing up beds. This was to ensure the NHS had the capacity it needed to treat Covid-19 patients in the coming weeks and months. To that end, trusts were told to postpone all non-urgent operations and to “urgently discharge all hospital inpatients who are medically fit to leave.” This included some inpatients who would then be discharged to a care home. NHS Providers, which is the association of trusts and foundation trusts in England, says: “NHS England and Improvement made this decision having just witnessed the health and care system in Northern Italy being overwhelmed by Covid-19 demand.” | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? Oh like when I was telling you about my mrs nursing home had been infected by patients from the nhs. You were basically calling me a liar. 3 weeks later it broke on the news. 3 weeks after me and my wife caught the virus. So tell me is a teachers life more important than my wifes. It must be because my wife was on minimum wage and no ppe . While teachers were tucked up safely in their houses. As I recall you said the nhs had sent all the patients to the care homes..it was this I disputed. And it was the gmnt who made that decision. If your wife worked in a care home she should have been provided with adequate ppe. No ones life is more important than anyone else. I dont really get your point about teachers.. schools should have been open because care homes were? You said she is a teacher so she knows what she is talking about. My point at the time was that I knew what I was talking about and loads of people on here including you were more of less calling me a liar because it had not broke into the news at that time. I never commented on all the patients that went to care home. I mentioned ths 3 that were sent to To her home who then died along with another 18. Familys have already started a legal fight against the manager who released them to the home. So actually the nhs gave my wife and I the virus. No they didnt. The gmnt made that decision. Do some research.I have On 17 March, NHS England and NHS Improvement wrote to trusts telling them to “expand critical care capacity to the maximum” by freeing up beds. This was to ensure the NHS had the capacity it needed to treat Covid-19 patients in the coming weeks and months. To that end, trusts were told to postpone all non-urgent operations and to “urgently discharge all hospital inpatients who are medically fit to leave.” This included some inpatients who would then be discharged to a care home. NHS Providers, which is the association of trusts and foundation trusts in England, says: “NHS England and Improvement made this decision having just witnessed the health and care system in Northern Italy being overwhelmed by Covid-19 demand.”" Yes I know all this. But the manager who made the decision to send those 3 to that home. Put a death sentence on them. He choose that home not the gym. | |||
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"The children at greater risk DV etc and young carers should be allocated to social workers this isn’t education this is social care but that sector has been stripped to the bone too. what planet do you live on ? you keep referring to what i would describe as the golden standard of learning/ social work/ care as though thats what we should be building our plans around when we all know full well that a fraction of the country at best are experiencing those standards we can’t say shut the school social work will pick up the slack for the vulnerable when we know social work is already underfunded and stretched beyond capacity we cant say its fine online learning will cover it when only a fraction of schools offered online learning its not all as simple as this eutopia school/ local authority you seem to work for and be basing your opinions on Well said . I didn't want to say but she seems to live in a bubble. Maybe just as a teacher,she actually knows what she is talking about? Oh like when I was telling you about my mrs nursing home had been infected by patients from the nhs. You were basically calling me a liar. 3 weeks later it broke on the news. 3 weeks after me and my wife caught the virus. So tell me is a teachers life more important than my wifes. It must be because my wife was on minimum wage and no ppe . While teachers were tucked up safely in their houses. As I recall you said the nhs had sent all the patients to the care homes..it was this I disputed. And it was the gmnt who made that decision. If your wife worked in a care home she should have been provided with adequate ppe. No ones life is more important than anyone else. I dont really get your point about teachers.. schools should have been open because care homes were? You said she is a teacher so she knows what she is talking about. My point at the time was that I knew what I was talking about and loads of people on here including you were more of less calling me a liar because it had not broke into the news at that time. I never commented on all the patients that went to care home. I mentioned ths 3 that were sent to To her home who then died along with another 18. Familys have already started a legal fight against the manager who released them to the home. So actually the nhs gave my wife and I the virus. No they didnt. The gmnt made that decision. Do some research.I have On 17 March, NHS England and NHS Improvement wrote to trusts telling them to “expand critical care capacity to the maximum” by freeing up beds. This was to ensure the NHS had the capacity it needed to treat Covid-19 patients in the coming weeks and months. To that end, trusts were told to postpone all non-urgent operations and to “urgently discharge all hospital inpatients who are medically fit to leave.” This included some inpatients who would then be discharged to a care home. NHS Providers, which is the association of trusts and foundation trusts in England, says: “NHS England and Improvement made this decision having just witnessed the health and care system in Northern Italy being overwhelmed by Covid-19 demand.” Yes I know all this. But the manager who made the decision to send those 3 to that home. Put a death sentence on them. He choose that home not the gym." GMT | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets " I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court. | |||
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"The utter hypocrisy of Johnson saying the teachers have a “moral duty” to reopen the schools. The scoundrel wouldn’t know moral duty if it bit him on the backside. Regardless of his own personal moral standing, he's still right in what he says - there is a moral duty to ensure students are back in classroom learning." Why? What is the moral principle that is being ignored by teachers making a choice about whether they should take these risks? | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court." But if it was gmnt policy how can the manager be blamed? Surely they will say they were told to do it? | |||
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"Let's see how much they want to protect children if there salary is stopped. " And let's see how kids would get on if they all went on strike | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 15/08/20 08:47:38]" Im not disputing that tests were not compulsory until 15th april but if you were showing signs of the virus then you was not fit to leave hospital.I agree everyone should have been tested before being discharged but if you read your own link fully they did not have the test kits to do it. | |||
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"Just to clarify, no teachers union are currently calling for Schools not to open. They are pushing for health and safety measures to be in place and for the government to plan in advance what it will do if the infection rate rises significantly again. " A teacher we know wanted the online learning to continue through the summer break to help the kids at least try & keep up. They were not on their own. Apparently the union said no. It appears “powers that be” no matter who they are have been slow to adapt to the new way of working which may be here for longer than people think. Though I personally hope it’s not. S | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 15/08/20 08:47:38]Im not disputing that tests were not compulsory until 15th april but if you were showing signs of the virus then you was not fit to leave hospital.I agree everyone should have been tested before being discharged but if you read your own link fully they did not have the test kits to do it." And who's responsibility is that? | |||
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"Just to clarify, no teachers union are currently calling for Schools not to open. They are pushing for health and safety measures to be in place and for the government to plan in advance what it will do if the infection rate rises significantly again. " A teacher we know wanted the online learning to continue through the summer break to help the kids at least try & keep up. They were not on their own. Apparently the union said no. It appears “powers that be” no matter who they are have been slow to adapt to the new way of working which may be here for longer than people think. Though I personally hope it’s not. S | |||
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"Just to clarify, no teachers union are currently calling for Schools not to open. They are pushing for health and safety measures to be in place and for the government to plan in advance what it will do if the infection rate rises significantly again. " A teacher we know wanted the online learning to continue through the summer break to help the kids at least try & keep up. They were not on their own. Apparently the union said no. It appears “powers that be” no matter who they are have been slow to adapt to the new way of working which may be here for longer than people think. Though I personally hope it’s not. S | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court. But if it was gmnt policy how can the manager be blamed? Surely they will say they were told to do it?" I was told to share a van with with 2 other people to travel a 100 mile for work yesterday . So for me to follow the guidelines I refused and took my car at my own cost. He had a choice. | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... Considering how many parents were furloughed the stats I saw were that most families something like 75% of primary school aged children had one parent furloughed. Content isn’t hard in primary school and teaching it to one child really isn’t taxing on anyone. Teachers have to teach 32 children together I’m sure one parent can teach one child. It’s only as selfish as blaming the teachers but then as you troll my posts disagreeing with everything I say I’d be surprised you hadn’t chimed in with some kind of nonsense. " I think some parents with their own needs would find it "taxing". As always easier for the middle classes, living in a nice house with a garden. | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court. But if it was gmnt policy how can the manager be blamed? Surely they will say they were told to do it? I was told to share a van with with 2 other people to travel a 100 mile for work yesterday . So for me to follow the guidelines I refused and took my car at my own cost. He had a choice." That depends on what would have happened if they would have sent no? In the public sector if you are told to.so something and you refuse there are consequences. | |||
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"Teachers need to get back to work, like the rest of us have. Teachers have never stopped working - not sure where you get the idea from that we have. Perhaps the millions of kids who have had no education in the last few months If kids have had no education that is down to whomever was supervising their home learning - schools have been providing there have been daily lessons put online by DfE for those schools that haven’t been providing live zoom etc. If children haven’t been working that’s a choice made by the family. Surely health is more important than that in any case or do you want infection rates to rise again? The r rate is well over 1 in most parts of the country and daily cases on the rise again ..... it’s not hard to work out what will happen when millions of kids go back to being in classrooms all day Such a selfish attitude to blame the parents ... not all families have the means or ability - you must know this... Considering how many parents were furloughed the stats I saw were that most families something like 75% of primary school aged children had one parent furloughed. Content isn’t hard in primary school and teaching it to one child really isn’t taxing on anyone. Teachers have to teach 32 children together I’m sure one parent can teach one child. It’s only as selfish as blaming the teachers but then as you troll my posts disagreeing with everything I say I’d be surprised you hadn’t chimed in with some kind of nonsense. I think some parents with their own needs would find it "taxing". As always easier for the middle classes, living in a nice house with a garden. " Agreed . The working class have to well hmmm work. To keep a roof over their heads. I know from personal experience that it very hard to juggle work and home at the same time. We have 3 kids and 7 grandkids so always busy with work and family. We have adopted our oldest grandchild. We have been lucky because the mrs is a key worker so she has been at school throughout. | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court. But if it was gmnt policy how can the manager be blamed? Surely they will say they were told to do it? I was told to share a van with with 2 other people to travel a 100 mile for work yesterday . So for me to follow the guidelines I refused and took my car at my own cost. He had a choice. That depends on what would have happened if they would have sent no? In the public sector if you are told to.so something and you refuse there are consequences. " I worked in the public sector for 12 year. Believe me when I say . You have more choice in the public sector than you do in the private sector. | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court. But if it was gmnt policy how can the manager be blamed? Surely they will say they were told to do it? I was told to share a van with with 2 other people to travel a 100 mile for work yesterday . So for me to follow the guidelines I refused and took my car at my own cost. He had a choice. That depends on what would have happened if they would have sent no? In the public sector if you are told to.so something and you refuse there are consequences. " So what you are saying is that he chose his wealth before their health. | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court. But if it was gmnt policy how can the manager be blamed? Surely they will say they were told to do it? I was told to share a van with with 2 other people to travel a 100 mile for work yesterday . So for me to follow the guidelines I refused and took my car at my own cost. He had a choice. That depends on what would have happened if they would have sent no? In the public sector if you are told to.so something and you refuse there are consequences. So what you are saying is that he chose his wealth before their health. " Like I said if he refused to do it..I dont know what would have happened. Presumably he did what every other manager in the country did? But if it's going to court maybe it will come out there. | |||
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"Let's see how much they want to protect children if there salary is stopped. And let's see how kids would get on if they all went on strike" On strike for what ? As an NHS nurse who has worked all through I find the idea offensive. I know many practice staff who had teachers demanding certificates to say their asthma was unpredictable, who hadn't ordered inhalers for years ! Go figure | |||
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" Right now there isn’t a single person that would be better (that actually wants the position). " I would say there isn’t a single person that would be worse, Gove excepted, of course. Williamson is perhaps the most over promoted and inept minister with any portfolio, ever. | |||
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"Let's see how much they want to protect children if there salary is stopped. And let's see how kids would get on if they all went on strike On strike for what ? As an NHS nurse who has worked all through I find the idea offensive. I know many practice staff who had teachers demanding certificates to say their asthma was unpredictable, who hadn't ordered inhalers for years ! Go figure" And anecdotally I can know teachers who never stopped classroom teaching despite having the opportunity to shield. All that is now irrelevant anyway as current government advice to schools dictates that teachers and pupils, whether medically vulnerable or extremely vulnerable, must return to schools. Shielding is no longer an option for anyone. | |||
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" Right now there isn’t a single person that would be better (that actually wants the position). I would say there isn’t a single person that would be worse, Gove excepted, of course. Williamson is perhaps the most over promoted and inept minister with any portfolio, ever." . ...... Chris Grayling (???) | |||
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"Just to clarify, no teachers union are currently calling for Schools not to open. They are pushing for health and safety measures to be in place and for the government to plan in advance what it will do if the infection rate rises significantly again. A teacher we know wanted the online learning to continue through the summer break to help the kids at least try & keep up. They were not on their own. Apparently the union said no. It appears “powers that be” no matter who they are have been slow to adapt to the new way of working which may be here for longer than people think. Though I personally hope it’s not. S" Teaching unions have surprisingly little power over government, schools or teachers, despite what you read. There have been no strikes for years, the last one having very patchy support. Most teachers see unions as protection against vexatious accusations from children or parents, and in employment disputes with management. | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court. But if it was gmnt policy how can the manager be blamed? Surely they will say they were told to do it? I was told to share a van with with 2 other people to travel a 100 mile for work yesterday . So for me to follow the guidelines I refused and took my car at my own cost. He had a choice. That depends on what would have happened if they would have sent no? In the public sector if you are told to.so something and you refuse there are consequences. So what you are saying is that he chose his wealth before their health. Like I said if he refused to do it..I dont know what would have happened. Presumably he did what every other manager in the country did? But if it's going to court maybe it will come out there." Agreed | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court." what does this have to do with schools? you seem to be just using this thread to carry on an unrelated old gripe with another poster | |||
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"If a child has 2 parents who have been shielding and brings the virus back from school Howss that in child's best in interest putting parents at severe risk Is a child becoming an orphan not worse than not going to school and home schooling Why is this ignored" Anyone? | |||
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"If a child has 2 parents who have been shielding and brings the virus back from school Howss that in child's best in interest putting parents at severe risk Is a child becoming an orphan not worse than not going to school and home schooling Why is this ignored Anyone? " i would imagine if a child has two parents shielding that they would use their common sense and carry on with home schooling its not rocket science. | |||
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"If a child has 2 parents who have been shielding and brings the virus back from school Howss that in child's best in interest putting parents at severe risk Is a child becoming an orphan not worse than not going to school and home schooling Why is this ignored Anyone? i would imagine if a child has two parents shielding that they would use their common sense and carry on with home schooling its not rocket science." They'd get fined then as govt says all kids have to be back. | |||
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"The public accounts commitee has criticised the gmnts policy of removing or discharging patients into care homes without going covid 19 checks as a "reckless decision; Source the parliamentary review 29/7/2020 The story appears in countless media outlets I am not thick. I know all this. It still doesn't excuse the manager who sent them there. The familys blame him. Let's see how it plays out in court. what does this have to do with schools? you seem to be just using this thread to carry on an unrelated old gripe with another poster "It's over with now 
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He said she knew what she was talking about and I pointed out I knew what I was talking about with the care homes before it came out.
When loads on here called me a liar and that I was making it up. | |||
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"If a child has 2 parents who have been shielding and brings the virus back from school Howss that in child's best in interest putting parents at severe risk Is a child becoming an orphan not worse than not going to school and home schooling Why is this ignored Anyone? i would imagine if a child has two parents shielding that they would use their common sense and carry on with home schooling its not rocket science. They'd get fined then as govt says all kids have to be back. " I dont think any gov would do that under the current circumstances people have different needs and could imagine the press they would get fining vulnerable parents.You cannot stop sending a whole countries kids to school because of some with different circumstances you just have to make allowance for them. | |||
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