FabSwingers.com forum: The teachers union dont want to open the schools.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling.

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

I am with the teachers, given the pros are certain winter will bring a second spike, kids from separated parents who see both sides of their families & are around who knows, the amount of kids potentially being around a positive person then going into school & potentially passing it on en masse.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"Despite boris want them to even if local lockdowns are imposed, who is right? I am wig9 the teachers union on this, that it is way to early to open the schools, they have to find alternative ways to learn like virtual schooling."

Are the teachers unions now covid 19 experts? how do they know or what are they basing this on? For every expert that say's it's good and safe to return you will get one opposed. I guarantee, if they refused to pay the teachers, the unions would have a different stance.

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By *aulaxd500TV/TS
over a year ago

Wigan

As with most things it's a little bit more nuanced, I believe the teaching unions are more concerned by no masks, no social distancing and associated risks

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

Are the shielding grandparents supposed to do this whilst the parents work shag, many many working households need the childcare of school to earn their wages, its just not viable to not open schools

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me. "

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids "

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I am with the teachers, given the pros are certain winter will bring a second spike, kids from separated parents who see both sides of their families & are around who knows, the amount of kids potentially being around a positive person then going into school & potentially passing it on en masse. "
Yes the 2nd wave will definitely spike, imagine class rooms of 20 or 30 people and the teachers, do they have masks on in schools?

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed."

As directed by whom? Dominic Cummings?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

My only knowledge of teaching during Covid comes from private schools who used zoom to carry on teaching.

Is this not viable for the normal schools? I know some children are going to struggle to access a device but it’s better than nothing and safer.

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed."

Not sure what they are basing it on, I would assume it is based on advice from the clowncil

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

There is a lot more evidence to suggest the teaching unions are following the science. On the other hand, the government are obviously only following the expert view when it matches their own, or can find an expect who will still agree with them in the face of any available evidence.

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"My only knowledge of teaching during Covid comes from private schools who used zoom to carry on teaching.

Is this not viable for the normal schools? I know some children are going to struggle to access a device but it’s better than nothing and safer. "

How do all the parents whose children are at home go back to work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kids have to go back to school no matter what the cost. End of.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Kids have to go back to school no matter what the cost. End of."

Otherwise known as the kamikaze approach to public welfare.

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

"Kids have to go back to school no matter what the cost. End of."

Apparently so!

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Sadly, many children have gone without any education during this time.

I don't believe teachers haven't gone out to pubs, beaches, others houses during this time.

Many workers have put themselves on the front line, I'm a nurse and worked all through, supermarket staff, bus drivers, refuse collectors have all been working.

Young people need education, their families need to work.

The amount of youngsters gathering bored is a concern.

Teachers do need to go back to schools, thars my opinion anyway.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"Sadly, many children have gone without any education during this time.

I don't believe teachers haven't gone out to pubs, beaches, others houses during this time.

Many workers have put themselves on the front line, I'm a nurse and worked all through, supermarket staff, bus drivers, refuse collectors have all been working.

Young people need education, their families need to work.

The amount of youngsters gathering bored is a concern.

Teachers do need to go back to schools, thars my opinion anyway."

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"My only knowledge of teaching during Covid comes from private schools who used zoom to carry on teaching.

Is this not viable for the normal schools? I know some children are going to struggle to access a device but it’s better than nothing and safer.

How do all the parents whose children are at home go back to work?"

Yeah good point. You can tell I don’t have children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many documented cases are there in the entire world of a teacher catching Covid from a child?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Kids have to go back to school no matter what the cost. End of.

Otherwise known as the kamikaze approach to public welfare."

Keeping kids off school any longer is equally kamikaze!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sadly, many children have gone without any education during this time.

I don't believe teachers haven't gone out to pubs, beaches, others houses during this time.

Many workers have put themselves on the front line, I'm a nurse and worked all through, supermarket staff, bus drivers, refuse collectors have all been working.

Young people need education, their families need to work.

The amount of youngsters gathering bored is a concern.

Teachers do need to go back to schools, thars my opinion anyway.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"How many documented cases are there in the entire world of a teacher catching Covid from a child? "

It’s extremely hard to say who transmitted the disease when someone catches it. Teachers have died, that is a known fact. Did a child pass the virus? Who knows.

What we do know is that such incidences are likely to be comparatively low, due to the fact schools have mostly been closed. So if you hear anyone confidently telling you there are no known cases, they are simply regurgitating propaganda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately not all schools have offered virtual schooling and not all children have the tools to be able to do so. We have been very lucky with our child's school as they were well prepared for lockdown and were able to do all their lessons via google meet. They even continued some of their after school clubs virtually. But we know people with children in a different school and although they have been sent work home there has been little or no encouragement for this work to be done. Add that to parents who are working and looking after elderly parents and just don't have the time or those who have no interest in their children's education or no control over their children. It leaves some children missing out on their education whilst other thrive.

Our child is taking their GCSEs next year and we have already received a plan of action from their school. Each year group will stay in an allocated section of the school for all lessons and break times to minimise numbers they have contact with. Masks also have to be worn in corridors and in classrooms where social distancing is not possible. We have been adcised that Year 11 will be encouraged to go into school even if they are fhe only year group to do so.

School isn't just about our children's education either. It's about social intereaction, routines and lets not forget all the agencies associated with schools for those children with problems. Some children aren't lucky enough to have a stable family life and for those children school is an escape; somewhere they can feel safe and sometime the only place they will have a decent hot meal.

We will all have different views about whether the schools should open in September because each and every one of our circumstances are different.

Let's all try not to judge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many documented cases are there in the entire world of a teacher catching Covid from a child?

It’s extremely hard to say who transmitted the disease when someone catches it. Teachers have died, that is a known fact. Did a child pass the virus? Who knows.

So you haven't answered my question and it's you regurgitating rubbish from the teacher unions

Are you saying those teachers otherwise didn't go out

Any cases in the entire world proven with all the research

The world's a big place lots of children still being taught there must be lots of examples if it's high risk

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Kids have to go back to school no matter what the cost. End of."
Yes but what about the teachers? Do they want to chance it themselves?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"How many documented cases are there in the entire world of a teacher catching Covid from a child?

It’s extremely hard to say who transmitted the disease when someone catches it. Teachers have died, that is a known fact. Did a child pass the virus? Who knows.

So you haven't answered my question and it's you regurgitating rubbish from the teacher unions

Are you saying those teachers otherwise didn't go out

Any cases in the entire world proven with all the research

The world's a big place lots of children still being taught there must be lots of examples if it's high risk"

What you’ve written doesn’t really make any sense, sorry.

The one thing I was able to clearly pick out is that you seem to be unreasonably hostile to the teachers’ unions, so you may find you are clouding your own judgement on this issue with emotion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And who stays at home whilst the kids are home learning now the majority are back at work off furlough

Practically speaking I don't know how this would work. I am a key worker, we can't work from home.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Kids have to go back to school no matter what the cost. End of.Yes but what about the teachers? Do they want to chance it themselves?"

Yes, the rest of us do

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed."

Yes because the gmnt have proved time and time again they know what they are doing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Kids have to go back to school no matter what the cost. End of.Yes but what about the teachers? Do they want to chance it themselves?

Yes, the rest of us do"
That is good, would the teachers have masks on or how would it work?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Kids have to go back to school no matter what the cost. End of.

Otherwise known as the kamikaze approach to public welfare."

Always works a treat.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed."

Which member of the government should they listen to, half of the chosen inner circle allowed by Cummings to actually publicly speak on this have contradicted each other..

Or how about the several scientists banished from speaking as they have based on their expertise differed with the party line..

Downing Street cat?..

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By *esires of HertsCouple
over a year ago

Herts and London Borders

Why can't the Unions carry out a vote of their members and then we can truly fund out what the teachers want to return or not ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Kids have to go back to school no matter what the cost. End of.

Otherwise known as the kamikaze approach to public welfare.

Always works a treat."

This is more about damage limitation to the Tories reputations post this than any concerns be they moral or not..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed.

Which member of the government should they listen to, half of the chosen inner circle allowed by Cummings to actually publicly speak on this have contradicted each other..

Or how about the several scientists banished from speaking as they have based on their expertise differed with the party line..

Downing Street cat?.."

Very cynical.

The gmnt are clearly experts in this area..I mean just look at ppe,care homes,shaking hands and 1 of the worstt death rates in europe..I've got complete faith in them.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed.

Which member of the government should they listen to, half of the chosen inner circle allowed by Cummings to actually publicly speak on this have contradicted each other..

Or how about the several scientists banished from speaking as they have based on their expertise differed with the party line..

Downing Street cat?..

Very cynical.

The gmnt are clearly experts in this area..I mean just look at ppe,care homes,shaking hands and 1 of the worstt death rates in europe..I've got complete faith in them."

I know I should trust them more..

Maybe when they elect a leader who hasn't built a career on lying and getting away with it..

Maybe..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My only knowledge of teaching during Covid comes from private schools who used zoom to carry on teaching.

Is this not viable for the normal schools? I know some children are going to struggle to access a device but it’s better than nothing and safer. "

So let those from the most deprived households fall further behind ?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed.

Which member of the government should they listen to, half of the chosen inner circle allowed by Cummings to actually publicly speak on this have contradicted each other..

Or how about the several scientists banished from speaking as they have based on their expertise differed with the party line..

Downing Street cat?.."

Talking of cats... did you see Chief Mouser at the Foreign Office, "Pemberton" retired after 4 years in the role.

("Larry", Chief mouser for No.10 is still to comment on the departure

)

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By *inkerbell67Woman
over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

Child abuse has doubled during lock down and the longer the kids stay of the more it will continue ,think of that and the damage its doing ,school is only some of them have as a safe place ..

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost."
How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed.

Which member of the government should they listen to, half of the chosen inner circle allowed by Cummings to actually publicly speak on this have contradicted each other..

Or how about the several scientists banished from speaking as they have based on their expertise differed with the party line..

Downing Street cat?..

Talking of cats... did you see Chief Mouser at the Foreign Office, "Pemberton" retired after 4 years in the role.

("Larry", Chief mouser for No.10 is still to comment on the departure

There's going to be no one left with any integrity soon if the pets leave..

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

"Child abuse has doubled during lock down and the longer the kids stay of the more it will continue ,think of that and the damage its doing ,school is only some of them have as a safe place .."

Yes.

Nspcc had 1500 calls in lockdown and over half were referred to other agencies to intervene

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure about social bubbles but I think some must be living in a reality bubble.

Worried the kids won't be able to social distance?. Take a look around the parks, the town centres etc.

We a have a choice to make with the children's already badly disrupted education.

We can get them back into the classroom and make an attempt at controlled social distancing and get their education back on track.

Or we can keep the schools closed and pretend they are all sat in their bedrooms alone.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government."

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards."

Those "Evil bastards" don't know anymore than the current government or anything the left could throw together. They care about themselves and putting money in their own pockets and if that helps the members along the way "OK"! The point is the pandemic is something nobody has experience with and for all the left criticise they fail to offer anything helpful as they also have no experience so they revert to scoring points, pathetic really.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards."
How long have they had to sort it out,how many months do they need? these people are supposed to be intelligent they are teaching our kids.The hospitals,supermarkets sorted it out pretty quick,shops,pubs,hotels etc seem to have a handle on it but our so called intelligent teachers cant after 5 months?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

Are the shielding grandparents supposed to do this whilst the parents work shag, many many working households need the childcare of school to earn their wages, its just not viable to not open schools "

School isn’t childcare - you want childcare you pay for it simple.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.How long have they had to sort it out,how many months do they need? these people are supposed to be intelligent they are teaching our kids.The hospitals,supermarkets sorted it out pretty quick,shops,pubs,hotels etc seem to have a handle on it but our so called intelligent teachers cant after 5 months?"

No PPE no social distancing no increased funding (I think you’ll find Tesco etc have invested millions to make their stores covid safe) my school ran out of hand Sanitiser and can’t afford to pay the cleaners more than 3 times a week. The GOVERNMENT had had since March to make some serious investment to male schools a safer place to be it hasn’t. It isn’t down to schools.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. The schools have had plenty of time to get PPE, sounds like a feeble excuse to me.

I'm not sure how others schools are going to work it but ours arent allowing any PPE to be worn by staff or kids

That begs the same question about what are they basing this on, they are teachers not covid experts, they should do as directed.

Which member of the government should they listen to, half of the chosen inner circle allowed by Cummings to actually publicly speak on this have contradicted each other..

Or how about the several scientists banished from speaking as they have based on their expertise differed with the party line..

Downing Street cat?..

Talking of cats... did you see Chief Mouser at the Foreign Office, "Pemberton" retired after 4 years in the role.

("Larry", Chief mouser for No.10 is still to comment on the departure

)

There's going to be no one left with any integrity soon if the pets leave.."

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Child abuse has doubled during lock down and the longer the kids stay of the more it will continue ,think of that and the damage its doing ,school is only some of them have as a safe place ..

Yes.

Nspcc had 1500 calls in lockdown and over half were referred to other agencies to intervene "

Maybe the answer is invest in social care as this is where there appears to be gaps. School isn’t the place for those whom aren’t safe at home the situation needs sorting - teachers aren’t social workers - funnily enough there isn’t any social workers either as the government stripped that right back too. Hmmm I wonder if the answer is get a decent government

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.

Let me guess..daily mail?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) "
Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Scottish schools back yesterday, and going by the footage on the news, it all looked quite normal.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Calling teachers thick without an ounce of irony.

Superb

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?"

Yep PPE not allowed

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Scottish schools back yesterday, and going by the footage on the news, it all looked quite normal.

Depends on which outlet you watch. Depends who’s story you want to believe and your own personal bias.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

*whose

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.

Let me guess..daily mail?

Prove me wrong, give me something the left can guarantee 100% will work or is the best and only path

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?

Yep PPE not allowed "
Ive been looking but i cant find anything that says teachers are banned from wearing ppe can you give me a link ?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Scottish schools back yesterday, and going by the footage on the news, it all looked quite normal.

Depends on which outlet you watch. Depends who’s story you want to believe and your own personal bias. "

Live broadcast.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.

Let me guess..daily mail?

Prove me wrong, give me something the left can guarantee 100% will work or is the best and only path"

Well you are clearly an expert on teaching unions on the take etc

What position do you hold in the teaching union exactly?

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over a year ago

We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?

Yep PPE not allowed Ive been looking but i cant find anything that says teachers are banned from wearing ppe can you give me a link ?"

Nope no link I’m a teacher and been told by my county council no PPE as it interrupts the children’s learning. No link for that

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?

Yep PPE not allowed Ive been looking but i cant find anything that says teachers are banned from wearing ppe can you give me a link ?

Nope no link I’m a teacher and been told by my county council no PPE as it interrupts the children’s learning. No link for that "

You didn't resign? or you have got another post now, back in the classroom?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already "

We have a gmnt who have been utterly shambolic but teachers and unions are in the firing line.

Incredible.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?

Yep PPE not allowed Ive been looking but i cant find anything that says teachers are banned from wearing ppe can you give me a link ?

Nope no link I’m a teacher and been told by my county council no PPE as it interrupts the children’s learning. No link for that "
Right thought so its your cc not the government.There is no ban on teachers wearing ppe but its not compulsory to wear it either.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

Not pathetic at all when you’re asking teachers to put their lives at risk and the sector has been underfunded by a Tory government for a decade it’s exactly relevant. Had their been proper funding there wouldn’t be under staffed schools that are falling apart with more and more children in tiny class rooms.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

We have a gmnt who have been utterly shambolic but teachers and unions are in the firing line.

Incredible.

"
We all know the government can do no right in your eyes thats a given but what is your personal view on kids going back to school,should they yes or no?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?

Yep PPE not allowed Ive been looking but i cant find anything that says teachers are banned from wearing ppe can you give me a link ?

Nope no link I’m a teacher and been told by my county council no PPE as it interrupts the children’s learning. No link for that Right thought so its your cc not the government.There is no ban on teachers wearing ppe but its not compulsory to wear it either. "

Nope it’s from the government directive ppe not required ...... I speak with thousands of teachers represented across the country: there are pockets of heads going against gov advice but in the main it’s a no to PPE. Even going as far as saying individual teachers will be ‘reported’ to parents as being over cautious if they arrive at school Wearing any.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

We have got teachers accused of being lazy,thick and woke.

Unions accused of not being arsed about kids.

I'd say that was pathetic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As Boris and co. Are totally inept at everything they try to do (or it seems that way) I am with the teachers.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

We have a gmnt who have been utterly shambolic but teachers and unions are in the firing line.

Incredible.

We all know the government can do no right in your eyes thats a given but what is your personal view on kids going back to school,should they yes or no?"

I'm not an expert unlike your heroes.

The unions job is look after the interests and safety of their members.

They decide.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?

Yep PPE not allowed Ive been looking but i cant find anything that says teachers are banned from wearing ppe can you give me a link ?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already "

Teachers have been working throughout - I’ve worked through Easter (two weeks unpaid) and May half term (one week unpaid) .......

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over a year ago

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

Right so we wait until the funding cuts of the last 10 years of austerity have been reversed.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

We have a gmnt who have been utterly shambolic but teachers and unions are in the firing line.

Incredible.

We all know the government can do no right in your eyes thats a given but what is your personal view on kids going back to school,should they yes or no?

I'm not an expert unlike your heroes.

The unions job is look after the interests and safety of their members.

They decide.

"
I wasnt asking an expert opinion i was asking your personal opinion,do you not have one just follow the party line?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

Teachers have been working throughout - I’ve worked through Easter (two weeks unpaid) and May half term (one week unpaid) ....... "

I haven't been paid since February.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

Teachers are not putting their lives on the line when they enter a classroom - the huge majority of scientific fact based evidence says otherwise - if your view was even remotely true there would be spikes visible in the countries where schools and children have sensibly returned to the classroom - there isn't!

The fact most of your post refers to Tories, underfunding etc. kind of hints at the real reason you are so hell-bent on sticking to a totally illogical line of reason when it comes to children being back in the classroom.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?

Yep PPE not allowed Ive been looking but i cant find anything that says teachers are banned from wearing ppe can you give me a link ?

Yes ... ‘it’s not required’ is the wording on the directive heads are not providing and stating it’s not allowed as per government advice, apart from

You’re allowed gloves if a child is sick or has a toileting accident (which was always the case)

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8609345/amp/Teachers-union-tries-sabotage-school-reopening-plan-impossible-list-200-safety-demands.html

And suddenly everything becomes clear.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

Teachers have been working throughout - I’ve worked through Easter (two weeks unpaid) and May half term (one week unpaid) .......

I haven't been paid since February."

Haven't you been down the boozer every night?

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

And 3-2-1, the Marxist revolutionary agenda hijacks the covid pandemic, imagine my supprise.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

Teachers have been working throughout - I’ve worked through Easter (two weeks unpaid) and May half term (one week unpaid) ....... "

Dont let fact and logic get in the way of an uninformed rant.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"And 3-2-1, the Marxist revolutionary agenda hijacks the covid pandemic, imagine my supprise. "

Brilliant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

Teachers have been working throughout - I’ve worked through Easter (two weeks unpaid) and May half term (one week unpaid) .......

I haven't been paid since February.

Haven't you been down the boozer every night?"

Yep I managed to get the barmaid to accept my non wages as payment.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

People that work in pubs and supermarkets are also allowed PPE teachers aren’t. Also last time I looked numbers of people in shops and pubs are being restricted in schools they’re not (I have 32 in my class my room fits 12 at 1m apart. Windows are broken so don’t open and have 4 wash basins for 64 children) Are you telling me teachers are banned from wearing ppe? why are the unions not telling wee nicola that they cant open all their schools by the 18th aug ?

Yep PPE not allowed Ive been looking but i cant find anything that says teachers are banned from wearing ppe can you give me a link ?

Yes ... ‘it’s not required’ is the wording on the directive heads are not providing and stating it’s not allowed as per government advice, apart from

You’re allowed gloves if a child is sick or has a toileting accident (which was always the case) "

Our school has full ppe for any direct contact with a child regarding personal health issues, from grazes to toilet issues, this was sourced to the school back when lockdown started

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

I want proper funding yes - I don’t want to keep offering the kids a half arsed pulled together education yes. I don’t want to have to keep buying my class glue sticks, rulers and pencils no, I don’t want to have to keep buying coats and food and shoes to kids who live in poverty no. If that makes me ‘hell bent’ on anything it means I want the kids to get more money from the government instead of them lining their own pockets.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

We have a gmnt who have been utterly shambolic but teachers and unions are in the firing line.

Incredible.

We all know the government can do no right in your eyes thats a given but what is your personal view on kids going back to school,should they yes or no?

I'm not an expert unlike your heroes.

The unions job is look after the interests and safety of their members.

They decide.

I wasnt asking an expert opinion i was asking your personal opinion,do you not have one just follow the party line?"

If im ever unsure of anything I normally read what the mail is saying,and go with the opposite.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

We have a gmnt who have been utterly shambolic but teachers and unions are in the firing line.

Incredible.

We all know the government can do no right in your eyes thats a given but what is your personal view on kids going back to school,should they yes or no?

I'm not an expert unlike your heroes.

The unions job is look after the interests and safety of their members.

They decide.

I wasnt asking an expert opinion i was asking your personal opinion,do you not have one just follow the party line?

If im ever unsure of anything I normally read what the mail is saying,and go with the opposite."
Right so ive been discussing things for months now with a guy who has no personal opinions at all it all makes sense now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the teachers have had children in school for careworkers etc upto the 6 weeks holidays

had no ppe had no virus cases in the area I live in

kids have been out mixing with other adults and playing or hanging around with other kids during lock down

so why not get them back to school

they need to be there

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

Right so we wait until the funding cuts of the last 10 years of austerity have been reversed."

No we can’t do that - we need more space. Government has had months there are ways to do it- massive hand washing facilities erected on playgrounds and entrance halls would be a start. Insistence on observing social distancing out of school another (for all) and phased learning one week on one week off- so 15 in a class. Those who’s parents cba should be fined, laptops/ tech to those without it. Teachers recording zoom lessons for the off weeks.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The schools do need to open in September and the teachers ( fully paid throughout) also need to return.

The knock on effect for new pupils starting and also children starting nursery is going to have a massive effect on children’s education

The Teachers unions are playing with our children’s lives far more than the Goverment regarding safeguarding of children.

The “woke” teachers need to get back to the jobs they are being paid to do.

Children’s education must be left to suffer anymore than it has already

We have a gmnt who have been utterly shambolic but teachers and unions are in the firing line.

Incredible.

We all know the government can do no right in your eyes thats a given but what is your personal view on kids going back to school,should they yes or no?

I'm not an expert unlike your heroes.

The unions job is look after the interests and safety of their members.

They decide.

I wasnt asking an expert opinion i was asking your personal opinion,do you not have one just follow the party line?

If im ever unsure of anything I normally read what the mail is saying,and go with the opposite.Right so ive been discussing things for months now with a guy who has no personal opinions at all it all makes sense now.

Look at the words..If I'm unsure.

If the unions have concerns..I'm guessing they are legitimate and I dont blame them for 1 second taking the gmnts 'advice 'with a pinch of salt.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.

Let me guess..daily mail?

Prove me wrong, give me something the left can guarantee 100% will work or is the best and only path

Well you are clearly an expert on teaching unions on the take etc

What position do you hold in the teaching union exactly?"

Ah the old "deflect" to avoid the question and the fact i am right. I never said on the take, please don't put words in my post

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.

Let me guess..daily mail?

Prove me wrong, give me something the left can guarantee 100% will work or is the best and only path

Well you are clearly an expert on teaching unions on the take etc

What position do you hold in the teaching union exactly?

Ah the old "deflect" to avoid the question and the fact i am right. I never said on the take, please don't put words in my post

You said..and I quote.. putting money in their pockets.

I don't know what "the left"would do as that's a huge disparate group.

If the unions have got legitimate concerns.. I'd trust them to do the right thing.

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over a year ago

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.

Let me guess..daily mail?

Prove me wrong, give me something the left can guarantee 100% will work or is the best and only path

Well you are clearly an expert on teaching unions on the take etc

What position do you hold in the teaching union exactly?

Ah the old "deflect" to avoid the question and the fact i am right. I never said on the take, please don't put words in my post

You said..and I quote.. putting money in their pockets.

I don't know what "the left"would do as that's a huge disparate group.

If the unions have got legitimate concerns.. I'd trust them to do the right thing."

You still have failed to prove me wrong, that no one, left, right or trade union can offer a 100% guaranteed solution. So instead of criticising all the parties should be pulling together not scoring points while people die.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

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By *knylonchickCouple
over a year ago

hitchin

I’d be happy to send our 12 year old back to school in September IF all schools were subject to random Covid testing of each year group a couple of times a week. It’s all well and good creating “bubbles” for year groups but if we don’t know if any of the children in these groups are carrying the virus then there seems little point in bothering.

I also believe that teachers and children should be wearing masks where possible indoors, why make us all wear them elsewhere? school classrooms are of course by nature quite compact, and with winter on the way will be difficult to ventilate or to have any kind of social distancing.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.

Let me guess..daily mail?

Prove me wrong, give me something the left can guarantee 100% will work or is the best and only path

Well you are clearly an expert on teaching unions on the take etc

What position do you hold in the teaching union exactly?

Ah the old "deflect" to avoid the question and the fact i am right. I never said on the take, please don't put words in my post

You said..and I quote.. putting money in their pockets.

I don't know what "the left"would do as that's a huge disparate group.

If the unions have got legitimate concerns.. I'd trust them to do the right thing.

Yet you were quite happy to lambast the union?

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

I'm not sure what the legal age is to leave kids alone at home 11-12? Why not leave kids of legal age and above at home doing remote classes (solves parents returning to work) and use the extra space for the youngsters to have more room for social distancing?

Just a thought.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm concerned about schools being expected to be fully open. With the greater likelihood of younger people being asymptomatic or having minimal symptoms, unless we test them they could be a perfect mixing pot to help to distribute the virus amongst thousands of people, including teachers and their families.

I'm unconvinced that enough has been changed and that they are ready and appropriate for this, especially whilst infection rates are stable and we know that colder weather, with people indoors, provides major potential for things to go wrong.

It's the unions' role to help to support and protect the people within education and the government has the same as its moral and legal responsibility.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

It’s very simple - the teaching unions have the best interests of their members and children guiding their actions, whereas the government wants to protect the economy regardless of any human cost.How is the teachers union acting in the best interest of the children? they as always are just trying to stir up problems for the current government.

Like looking after their members

Evil bastards.

Let me guess..daily mail?

Prove me wrong, give me something the left can guarantee 100% will work or is the best and only path

Well you are clearly an expert on teaching unions on the take etc

What position do you hold in the teaching union exactly?

Ah the old "deflect" to avoid the question and the fact i am right. I never said on the take, please don't put words in my post

You said..and I quote.. putting money in their pockets.

I don't know what "the left"would do as that's a huge disparate group.

If the unions have got legitimate concerns.. I'd trust them to do the right thing.

Yet you were quite happy to lambast the union?"

I will drop this now as it obvious you can not prove me wrong.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Playing politics with kids is discusting ,they must go back to school"

I think the nation’s stock of ironymeters just went into meltdown...and it’s not due to the weather.

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over a year ago

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’."

I'm afraid as far as where children are concerned with covid, because their is no conclusive scientific evidence either way both sides can claim the science backs their view.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’.

I'm afraid as far as where children are concerned with covid, because their is no conclusive scientific evidence either way both sides can claim the science backs their view."

Exactly. Which is why people who claim any scientific fact around this issue simply proclaim their ignorance of the science.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go. "

Not all teachers go to pubs

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Playing politics with kids is discusting ,they must go back to school

I think the nation’s stock of ironymeters just went into meltdown...and it’s not due to the weather."

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

The kids need to be back at school.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"My only knowledge of teaching during Covid comes from private schools who used zoom to carry on teaching.

Is this not viable for the normal schools? I know some children are going to struggle to access a device but it’s better than nothing and safer. "

Public schools were doing this too

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The kids need to be back at school."

The kids, their teachers and the families of both also need to be protected from risk of COVID. So what’s the answer?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"The kids need to be back at school.

The kids, their teachers and the families of both also need to be protected from risk of COVID. So what’s the answer?"

The hospitalisations and deaths are low now, we cannot just close the schools until covid has gone, that might never happen and waiting for a vaccine isn't sensible either. We have to get things moving again.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I'm not sure about social bubbles but I think some must be living in a reality bubble.

Worried the kids won't be able to social distance?. Take a look around the parks, the town centres etc.

We a have a choice to make with the children's already badly disrupted education.

We can get them back into the classroom and make an attempt at controlled social distancing and get their education back on track.

Or we can keep the schools closed and pretend they are all sat in their bedrooms alone."

To be fair, we keep getting told that being outside is less chance of getting covid. Pupils are normally all inside together

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"How long have they had to sort it out,how many months do they need? these people are supposed to be intelligent they are teaching our kids.The hospitals,supermarkets sorted it out pretty quick,shops,pubs,hotels etc seem to have a handle on it but our so called intelligent teachers cant after 5 months?"

I think that is unfair, they can't do social distancing classes unless they doubled the size of a school and double the amount of teachers. Putting screens up on a till and a few signs saying keep two metre distance is hardly the same problems

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go.

Not all teachers go to pubs"

By the same token some do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure about social bubbles but I think some must be living in a reality bubble.

Worried the kids won't be able to social distance?. Take a look around the parks, the town centres etc.

We a have a choice to make with the children's already badly disrupted education.

We can get them back into the classroom and make an attempt at controlled social distancing and get their education back on track.

Or we can keep the schools closed and pretend they are all sat in their bedrooms alone.

To be fair, we keep getting told that being outside is less chance of getting covid. Pupils are normally all inside together"

Within 2 meters of each other for more than 15 minutes ?

With the outside yes it's what they said. I wonder if they'll stick with that with regards to wearing of masks.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"The kids need to be back at school.

The kids, their teachers and the families of both also need to be protected from risk of COVID. So what’s the answer?"

They should get the same amount of protection as the key workers get who also need protection

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

Keep the older kids at home distance learning and use the extra space at school for the younger children

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"They have no PPE and would be expected to mix with kids from hundreds of different ‘bubbles’.

Perhaps go back when the House of Commons has also returned?

Those same teachers have no PPE whilst going down the pub either, yet they still go.

Not all teachers go to pubs

By the same token some do."

And?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The kids need to be back at school."

This

Children need some normality back now

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The kids need to be back at school.

The kids, their teachers and the families of both also need to be protected from risk of COVID. So what’s the answer?

They should get the same amount of protection as the key workers get who also need protection"

We got none

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"The kids need to be back at school.

The kids, their teachers and the families of both also need to be protected from risk of COVID. So what’s the answer?

They should get the same amount of protection as the key workers get who also need protection

We got none"

"none" as in zero, nada, zilch not a thing...... now you are being a drama queen, either sensible or not at all please

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The kids need to be back at school.

The kids, their teachers and the families of both also need to be protected from risk of COVID. So what’s the answer?

They should get the same amount of protection as the key workers get who also need protection

We got none

"none" as in zero, nada, zilch not a thing...... now you are being a drama queen, either sensible or not at all please

We got handgel..does that count?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I personally think schools should go back and I bet you would find most teachers would be saying the same. The only issue is to keep it as safe as they can.

I think I read yesterday that Scotlands schools went back with bubbles with no social distance but the teacher has to stay two metres away from the children. Unless schools grow in size and the Government pay more money for teachers to teach the extra classes then this is the only option.

Hopefully the "experts" are right and the kids won't pass it on to each other but I am unconvinced at that

What I do find sad is the venom towards teachers who have been working through all this, be it in a different way. Yes they were paid, but so were the furloughed people who didn't work at all. You wouldn't believe how invested some of these teachers are on the children they teach and their job

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"The kids need to be back at school.

The kids, their teachers and the families of both also need to be protected from risk of COVID. So what’s the answer?

They should get the same amount of protection as the key workers get who also need protection

We got none

"none" as in zero, nada, zilch not a thing...... now you are being a drama queen, either sensible or not at all please

We got handgel..does that count?"

You might have doesn't mean all of them did, i have family who work for the NHS so i know how it was in reality.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"The kids need to be back at school.

This

Children need some normality back now "

Agreed, we don't know if or when this virus will disappear so we need to start living again and our children need school.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’."

The facts are not conveniently there to support those who have the same opinion - they are there as they clearly show that it is safe for students, teachers and staff to be back in the classroom.

I'm not a scientist but I am logical.

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

"I'm not sure what the legal age is to leave kids alone at home 11-12? Why not leave kids of legal age and above at home doing remote classes (solves parents returning to work) and use the extra space for the youngsters to have more room for social distancing?

Just a thought."

There is no 'legal age' to leave a child home alone only guidance on how long they should be left for.

As logical as what you say & I agree with you, I reckon the majority of 12+yr olds probably wouldn't stay home to do school work with no one at home

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"The kids need to be back at school.

This

Children need some normality back now

Agreed, we don't know if or when this virus will disappear so we need to start living again and our children need school. "

My daughter in law is a school teacher in Holland and they have been back for some weeks and they are not suffering any ill effects. (touch wood)

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over a year ago

I think it’s like 12 globally but a lot of schools have been shut so you perhaps can’t rely on that data! I’m all for school kids going back. Ultimately we have to live with the virus. I actually think we are doing a pretty good job in the UK.

I believe that we have been very transparent about the deaths we suffered in a way most countries haven’t. We have a centralised health care system which bus quite unusual globally.

Virus infection rates are low and we have to venture out again. We can’t live in caves for ever!

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

Just a thought.

There is no 'legal age' to leave a child home alone only guidance on how long they should be left for.

As logical as what you say & I agree with you, I reckon the majority of 12+yr olds probably wouldn't stay home to do school work with no one at home "

I agree with that, but that is a whole nother argument.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

The schools haven’t closed and the teachers and their union are desperate to get back to normal conditions.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

"Sadly, many children have gone without any education during this time.

I don't believe teachers haven't gone out to pubs, beaches, others houses during this time.

Many workers have put themselves on the front line, I'm a nurse and worked all through, supermarket staff, bus drivers, refuse collectors have all been working.

Young people need education, their families need to work.

The amount of youngsters gathering bored is a concern.

Teachers do need to go back to schools, thars my opinion anyway."

Common sense at last

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I personally think schools should go back and I bet you would find most teachers would be saying the same. The only issue is to keep it as safe as they can.

Hopefully the "experts" are right and the kids won't pass it on to each other but I am unconvinced at that

Certain newspapers give credence to such views.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’.

The facts are not conveniently there to support those who have the same opinion - they are there as they clearly show that it is safe for students, teachers and staff to be back in the classroom.

I'm not a scientist but I am logical."

That’s a highly debatable point in itself. Self-assessment of one’s ability to judge the facts uncoloured by opinion is notoriously unreliable.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’.

The facts are not conveniently there to support those who have the same opinion - they are there as they clearly show that it is safe for students, teachers and staff to be back in the classroom.

I'm not a scientist but I am logical.

That’s a highly debatable point in itself. Self-assessment of one’s ability to judge the facts uncoloured by opinion is notoriously unreliable."

Such claims of logical thinking are usually accompanied by assertions that it's just common sense.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

Just a thought."

Not a very clever one though

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’.

The facts are not conveniently there to support those who have the same opinion - they are there as they clearly show that it is safe for students, teachers and staff to be back in the classroom.

I'm not a scientist but I am logical.

That’s a highly debatable point in itself. Self-assessment of one’s ability to judge the facts uncoloured by opinion is notoriously unreliable."

It's only unreliable if you don't make all the facts available to yourself.

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over a year ago

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’.

The facts are not conveniently there to support those who have the same opinion - they are there as they clearly show that it is safe for students, teachers and staff to be back in the classroom.

I'm not a scientist but I am logical.

That’s a highly debatable point in itself. Self-assessment of one’s ability to judge the facts uncoloured by opinion is notoriously unreliable.

It's only unreliable if you don't make all the facts available to yourself.

well I',m going to say looking at the latest infection rates in the USA school(that a student leaked a video of),already proves something.

The UK and USA have been fucking idiots.

USA and UK facing many local re-lockdowns

and we haven't even got to the winter period yet,where the normal colds/flu's will help covid spread more and with the obvious consequences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’.

The facts are not conveniently there to support those who have the same opinion - they are there as they clearly show that it is safe for students, teachers and staff to be back in the classroom.

I'm not a scientist but I am logical.

That’s a highly debatable point in itself. Self-assessment of one’s ability to judge the facts uncoloured by opinion is notoriously unreliable.

It's only unreliable if you don't make all the facts available to yourself.

well I',m going to say looking at the latest infection rates in the USA school(that a student leaked a video of),already proves something.

The UK and USA have been fucking idiots.

USA and UK facing many local re-lockdowns

and we haven't even got to the winter period yet,where the normal colds/flu's will help covid spread more and with the obvious consequences."

Let’s hope policy isn’t informed from YouTube videos.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’.

The facts are not conveniently there to support those who have the same opinion - they are there as they clearly show that it is safe for students, teachers and staff to be back in the classroom.

I'm not a scientist but I am logical.

That’s a highly debatable point in itself. Self-assessment of one’s ability to judge the facts uncoloured by opinion is notoriously unreliable.

It's only unreliable if you don't make all the facts available to yourself.

well I',m going to say looking at the latest infection rates in the USA school(that a student leaked a video of),already proves something.

The UK and USA have been fucking idiots.

USA and UK facing many local re-lockdowns

and we haven't even got to the winter period yet,where the normal colds/flu's will help covid spread more and with the obvious consequences."

I don't think it's only UK & USA many european countries are also facing re-lockdowns and those are the ones we know about i assume many in asia & south america are also. We have to stop looking to blame people and get on and deal with this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The kids need to be back at school.

This

Children need some normality back now

Agreed, we don't know if or when this virus will disappear so we need to start living again and our children need school.

My daughter in law is a school teacher in Holland and they have been back for some weeks and they are not suffering any ill effects. (touch wood)"

That’s positive to hear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

It’s always people who haven’t any understanding of the scientific evidence who like to claim scientific fact supports their ‘opinion’.

The facts are not conveniently there to support those who have the same opinion - they are there as they clearly show that it is safe for students, teachers and staff to be back in the classroom.

I'm not a scientist but I am logical.

That’s a highly debatable point in itself. Self-assessment of one’s ability to judge the facts uncoloured by opinion is notoriously unreliable.

It's only unreliable if you don't make all the facts available to yourself.

well I',m going to say looking at the latest infection rates in the USA school(that a student leaked a video of),already proves something.

The UK and USA have been fucking idiots.

USA and UK facing many local re-lockdowns

and we haven't even got to the winter period yet,where the normal colds/flu's will help covid spread more and with the obvious consequences.

I somewhat agree,however taking infections/deaths UK/USA/Brazil:

there's been meandering responses,deception,stupidity,lies and ineptitude.

some other countries are seeing small spikes,but they've had things like contract tracing and testing done to a higher measure.

You have to continue to blame,when they havent really taken anything on board that's been advised almost since the start of the virus spread.

Pretty much everything has been correctly predicted about what the outcomes are of poor handling of the situation and advice on how to mitigate increased transmission/infection/deaths.

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

Do you know what the children deserve an education and their mental health should also be carefully considered.

Virtual teaching is great but only to a point. Most children not used to home schooling learnt little or nothing during the summer term. It doesn’t matter how good the virtual teaching is or the resources available to the child. Then you have to look at who is doing the support, the parents. Working and being a teacher is incredibly difficult even with a child that has no learning difficulties. If you add learning difficulties into the mix it’s like mission impossible. Then there are the children not getting support or parents that don’t encourage their children to engage with learning. For those who say ‘back in the day’ we coped with striking teachers, breaks in learning etc etc, times have changed. Children are under immense pressure from an educational point of view compared to ‘back in the day’, on top of which they have social media etc to contend with. The best place for children to learn is school.

I get the teachers’ concerns and no one signed up to potentially die but newsflash none of us that have been working in PPE for god knows how long did either. Are we complaining no? Caring and compassion which I would consider to be key qualities of a teacher are what get us by. Those teachers and children with underlying health conditions and are shielding shouldn’t be in the classroom. I agree it’s too soon for them. The rest of the teachers out there need to find some strength from somewhere because I KNOW it’s scary but we have to move on. Without the education they deserve we will have a whole generation of children with huge gaps in their learning which is unthinkable long term. I don’t just mean academically either.

Should teachers want to wear PPE I see no reason why they can’t providing it’s worn and disposed of correctly. It’s difficult in early years as the children could find PPE scary and unfortunately I don’t have any answers in that respect.

So no it’s no too early for children to go back to school. It needs to be done in the right way with adequate guidance and support because it won’t be easy. Teachers will go through all the same emotions we did at the start of the pandemic and their mental health is a concern when they go back to work. They need support from us as parents to ensure that we aren’t sending sick children into school. That we aren’t being reckless and try to prevent our children from coming into contact with virus. This should be about everyone pulling together for the children.

Everyone has suffered one way or another through this pandemic and will continue to going forward. There are particular groups of society suffering more due to the selfishness of others. A child’s education can never be taken away from them and is quite often a way of them escaping poverty etc etc.

Just in case you’re not sure of my viewpoint, I think the children need to go back to school

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over a year ago

"Do you know what the children deserve an education and their mental health should also be carefully considered.

Just in case you’re not sure of my viewpoint, I think the children need to go back to school

Well said. Time to get the big pants on, wear a visor or mask or nothing or whatever suits you but get out there and do the job your no doubt being paid to do.

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By *iliciousCouple
over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

Yes go back to school but in shifts - split the school in half, one half goes in Mon Tue, the other half on Thu/Fri. Shut on Wednesday for deep clean. Home learning when not at school.

The government have had 5 months to sort this. Nothing has changed and only now is the conversation being had, 3 weeks away.

Nothing has changed. Johnson says it is safe to go back but with full attendance it will be no different from when it was deemed necessary to shit the schools in March.

Bluff bluster bullshit. Johnson all over.

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By *uietlyKinkyUsCouple
over a year ago

midlands

Schools should be open to all unless there is a severe local lockdown.

School is about more than taught subjects. With schools closed all other services are off, speech and language therapy plus many many more.

The kids have suffered enough, the routine, the socialisation and everything else, they get from being at school, they need that so close pubs, close restaurants, close whatever but let's get our children back

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Yes go back to school but in shifts - split the school in half, one half goes in Mon Tue, the other half on Thu/Fri. Shut on Wednesday for deep clean. "

Parents who have had children at home for almost six months will not be keen on this and nor will the children.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"Yes go back to school but in shifts - split the school in half, one half goes in Mon Tue, the other half on Thu/Fri. Shut on Wednesday for deep clean. Home learning when not at school.

The government have had 5 months to sort this. Nothing has changed and only now is the conversation being had, 3 weeks away.

Nothing has changed. Johnson says it is safe to go back but with full attendance it will be no different from when it was deemed necessary to shit the schools in March.

Bluff bluster bullshit. Johnson all over."

Back in March not enough was known even the who was contradicting itself and even now for ever scientist saying one thing another will counter it. Also in March the priority was to not overwhelm the NHS. The dynamics have been changing constantly and "Joe public" should have expected it (they where told to expect it) and understood as the dynamics changed so would the instruction. Even then the new instruction might prove to be incorrect and therefore need correcting.

How does splitting the school help working parents?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Schools should be open to all unless there is a severe local lockdown.

School is about more than taught subjects. With schools closed all other services are off, speech and language therapy plus many many more.

Definitely agree, those taking exams next year are already at a huge disadvantage. Kids need school, not just for education but for social skills and a break from their parents.

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By *iliciousCouple
over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

Please source the “scientific fact” you quote.

Because I read only this morning that PHE have no definitive conclusion on the matter.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Only in school two days a week ? How do you squeeze in practical subjects like PE, drama, dance, science experiments, cookery, DT, art, music etc ?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Yes go back to school but in shifts - split the school in half, one half goes in Mon Tue, the other half on Thu/Fri. Shut on Wednesday for deep clean.

Parents who have had children at home for almost six months will not be keen on this and nor will the children. "

Whatever answer they come up with, someone will find a reason to be unhappy with it. But we are in the middle of a problem that requires a bit of sacrifice and a bit of common purpose to get us through it. It won't be perfect... But it will be the best that we can all do.. Together.

This has x party support. We need a bit of leadership to get us through it and accept that not everyone will be happy with it. But that most will be happy with it in the circumstances. Education is long overdue embracing some changes. Why not make it now.

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over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

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By *iliciousCouple
over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

"Schools should be open to all unless there is a severe local lockdown.

School is about more than taught subjects. With schools closed all other services are off, speech and language therapy plus many many more.

Definitely agree, those taking exams next year are already at a huge disadvantage. Kids need school, not just for education but for social skills and a break from their parents."

They also need their parents alive.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

Please source the “scientific fact” you quote.

Because I read only this morning that PHE have no definitive conclusion on the matter. "

Not sure about any scientific fact, but people are quick to quote what is right and what is wrong in other countries. In other European countries where they have restarted schools they have not been closed due to problems at school

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I get the teachers’ concerns and no one signed up to potentially die but newsflash none of us that have been working in PPE for god knows how long did either. Are we complaining no? "

They are not either, they just want to know exactly how it is going to work to be safe, the same as everyone else is doing in their workplace.

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By *iliciousCouple
over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

"Yes go back to school but in shifts - split the school in half, one half goes in Mon Tue, the other half on Thu/Fri. Shut on Wednesday for deep clean. Home learning when not at school.

The government have had 5 months to sort this. Nothing has changed and only now is the conversation being had, 3 weeks away.

Nothing has changed. Johnson says it is safe to go back but with full attendance it will be no different from when it was deemed necessary to shit the schools in March.

Bluff bluster bullshit. Johnson all over.

How does splitting the school help working parents?"

I don’t understand your first paragraph at all, sorry.

Working parents - like us and all our friends - have had five months of finding a way around it. This would be less disruption than that. We are talking about getting through the winter. I should say it goes hand in hand with extending the furlough scheme.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Schools should be open to all unless there is a severe local lockdown.

School is about more than taught subjects. With schools closed all other services are off, speech and language therapy plus many many more.

Definitely agree, those taking exams next year are already at a huge disadvantage. Kids need school, not just for education but for social skills and a break from their parents.

They also need their parents alive."

So what's your solution? Just don't send the kids back? That would cause more mental health issues, more unemployment for the parents who can't get childcare, lack of proper education for our children. The kids need this and so does the country as a whole, we can't just keep hiding.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"Yes go back to school but in shifts - split the school in half, one half goes in Mon Tue, the other half on Thu/Fri. Shut on Wednesday for deep clean. Home learning when not at school.

The government have had 5 months to sort this. Nothing has changed and only now is the conversation being had, 3 weeks away.

Nothing has changed. Johnson says it is safe to go back but with full attendance it will be no different from when it was deemed necessary to shit the schools in March.

Bluff bluster bullshit. Johnson all over.

How does splitting the school help working parents?

I don’t understand your first paragraph at all, sorry.

Whys is the winter going to be any different? There has been enough furlough, it's not fair on key workers who have to be in work, when others sit at home. The "sit at home" was to ensure the NHS could cope well now it has enough beds and equipment and a lot more knowledge and experience than it had way back in March.

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By *iliciousCouple
over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

Please source the “scientific fact” you quote.

Because I read only this morning that PHE have no definitive conclusion on the matter.

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And there is the issue. You say the “large majority of scientific fact” says it’s safe to re open the school but when asked what this is, you can’t actually justify that claim.

Which other European countries are you talking about and where is your source for this latest claim ?

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By *iliciousCouple
over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

"Yes go back to school but in shifts - split the school in half, one half goes in Mon Tue, the other half on Thu/Fri. Shut on Wednesday for deep clean. Home learning when not at school.

The government have had 5 months to sort this. Nothing has changed and only now is the conversation being had, 3 weeks away.

Nothing has changed. Johnson says it is safe to go back but with full attendance it will be no different from when it was deemed necessary to shit the schools in March.

Bluff bluster bullshit. Johnson all over.

How does splitting the school help working parents?

I don’t understand your first paragraph at all, sorry.

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Why is the winter going to be any different?

Are you sure you meant to type that??

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"We've got children not being educated in the middle of a pandemic and people are going on about left and right.

Pathetic really.

Please source the “scientific fact” you quote.

Because I read only this morning that PHE have no definitive conclusion on the matter.

——-

And there is the issue. You say the “large majority of scientific fact” says it’s safe to re open the school but when asked what this is, you can’t actually justify that claim.

Which other European countries are you talking about and where is your source for this latest claim ?

I didn't quote any scientific facts it was another poster.

The other country info is common knowledge/news, but as i quoted earlier Holland have been back for weeks with no major problems and my daughter in law is a teacher in Holland...... so my info is first hand

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"Yes go back to school but in shifts - split the school in half, one half goes in Mon Tue, the other half on Thu/Fri. Shut on Wednesday for deep clean. Home learning when not at school.

The government have had 5 months to sort this. Nothing has changed and only now is the conversation being had, 3 weeks away.

Nothing has changed. Johnson says it is safe to go back but with full attendance it will be no different from when it was deemed necessary to shit the schools in March.

Bluff bluster bullshit. Johnson all over.

How does splitting the school help working parents?

I don’t understand your first paragraph at all, sorry.

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Why is the winter going to be any different?

Are you sure you meant to type that??

Yes why is winter going to be different for covid than summer was? Please supply the source since we have never had a winter with covid it can only be best guess.

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over a year ago

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Yes go back to school but in shifts - split the school in half, one half goes in Mon Tue, the other half on Thu/Fri. Shut on Wednesday for deep clean. Home learning when not at school.

The government have had 5 months to sort this. Nothing has changed and only now is the conversation being had, 3 weeks away.

Nothing has changed. Johnson says it is safe to go back but with full attendance it will be no different from when it was deemed necessary to shit the schools in March.

Bluff bluster bullshit. Johnson all over.

How does splitting the school help working parents?

I don’t understand your first paragraph at all, sorry.

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Why is the winter going to be any different?

Are you sure you meant to type that??

Yes why is winter going to be different for covid than summer was? Please supply the source since we have never had a winter with covid it can only be best guess."

SMH

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