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"....Have you ever thought you might be part of a conspiracy to spread fake covid news via conspiracy theories?" The aliens told me... | |||
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"....Have you ever thought you might be part of a conspiracy to spread fake covid news via conspiracy theories?" Don't be silly, the tin foil prevents proper thought | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way " Oh that trope again - there are 1001 posts on the attributions already here. There are a few 5G masts that may be affecting some people that aren't tin foiled | |||
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"....Have you ever thought you might be part of a conspiracy to spread fake covid news via conspiracy theories?" Shhh, don't tell them how it works! | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way " **”.... on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19....”** ———————— The death certificate will not say ‘death due to covid’. It will say died *with* covid which is different from dying *of* covid. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way " No deaths. That’s clearly bullshit. Let’s see the evidence. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way " I don't know. If you don't either why have you stated that it happens? | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way " Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. | |||
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"....Have you ever thought you might be part of a conspiracy to spread fake covid news via conspiracy theories?" no thought required, it's a fact, saw it on the internet. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19." Is that died *of * or died *with *? | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19." More bullshit. Evidence please. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19." **"Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19..."** --------------- That's not true. If you've tested positive for covid, recover, and later die of something else, covid is mentioned in the death certificate ( that you had it) but covid is not recorded as the underlying cause of death. So that category above are people who die *with* covid and they are not included in the UK death toll. Only those dying *of* covid ( where covid is the underlying cause of death) are included. | |||
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"I don't believe any of these conspiracy theories. Bill gates and the illuminati sit in a darkened room and make them all up "makes a change from Bill Gates sitting in a room with Jeff Epstien on peado island eh? | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. **"Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19..."** --------------- That's not true. If you've tested positive for covid, recover, and later die of something else, covid is mentioned in the death certificate ( that you had it) but covid is not recorded as the underlying cause of death. So that category above are people who die *with* covid and they are not included in the UK death toll. Only those dying *of* covid ( where covid is the underlying cause of death) are included." There is no doubt that some people have been terminally affected by them having caught and suffered from C-19, lung, heart and other damage will have shortened their lives, but just as some people who have strokes subsequently die years later from complications, they have not died from the original haemorrhage. | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest " And on what basis do you hold that belief? Was influenza similarly created? | |||
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"....Have you ever thought you might be part of a conspiracy to spread fake covid news via conspiracy theories?" I see what you've done there OP.... offered a theory about people conspiring to create conspiracy theory. Making you a conspiracy theorist! Yooo da man op! | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. **"Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19..."** --------------- That's not true. If you've tested positive for covid, recover, and later die of something else, covid is mentioned in the death certificate ( that you had it) but covid is not recorded as the underlying cause of death. So that category above are people who die *with* covid and they are not included in the UK death toll. Only those dying *of* covid ( where covid is the underlying cause of death) are included. There is no doubt that some people have been terminally affected by them having caught and suffered from C-19, lung, heart and other damage will have shortened their lives, but just as some people who have strokes subsequently die years later from complications, they have not died from the original haemorrhage. " I agree, Mr Jake  | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest And on what basis do you hold that belief? Was influenza similarly created? " Since when did anyone need a basis for holding a belief? | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Oh that trope again - there are 1001 posts on the attributions already here. There are a few 5G masts that may be affecting some people that aren't tin foiled " So many Medical professionals are part if this conspiracy theory then, must be why they got the 2.6% pay rise  | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest " You have evidence to prove that ? | |||
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"....Have you ever thought you might be part of a conspiracy to spread fake covid news via conspiracy theories?" I saw a meme that resonated the other day “Faking and creating conspiracies would involve thousands of people and relying on them all not to say anything. Anyone who’s ever been a project manager knows even getting 12 people to do things in the right order is impossible” | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest And on what basis do you hold that belief? Was influenza similarly created? Since when did anyone need a basis for holding a belief?" You don’t *need* a basis, you you must *have* one. Otherwise we’d all believe in entirely random shit like the moon being made of jam or that a cat wrote Hamlet. Our beliefs are founded on consideration and dissemination. When someone spouts conspiracy I’d like to know what that process is. I’m legitimately interested. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. **"Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19..."** --------------- That's not true. If you've tested positive for covid, recover, and later die of something else, covid is mentioned in the death certificate ( that you had it) but covid is not recorded as the underlying cause of death. So that category above are people who die *with* covid and they are not included in the UK death toll. Only those dying *of* covid ( where covid is the underlying cause of death) are included." Apparently anyone who dies and Covid is mentioned on the death certificate is included in the figures in England. In Scotland it’s anyone who tested positive within 28 days of death is included in their figures. I’m not sure about Wales but believe they have a similar cut off point. This was pointed out by Carl Heneghan from Oxford University. That’s why they are having a review of the figures. | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest And on what basis do you hold that belief? Was influenza similarly created? Since when did anyone need a basis for holding a belief? You don’t *need* a basis, you you must *have* one. Otherwise we’d all believe in entirely random shit like the moon being made of jam or that a cat wrote Hamlet. Our beliefs are founded on consideration and dissemination. When someone spouts conspiracy I’d like to know what that process is. I’m legitimately interested. " And people don't believe in random s**t??? Astrology, flat earth and religion spring to mind. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. **"Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19..."** --------------- That's not true. If you've tested positive for covid, recover, and later die of something else, covid is mentioned in the death certificate ( that you had it) but covid is not recorded as the underlying cause of death. So that category above are people who die *with* covid and they are not included in the UK death toll. Only those dying *of* covid ( where covid is the underlying cause of death) are included." Well why is it when you click google and then the first website you look at has UK recovered nil, scotland such and such. Give scotland Scotland credit where it's due at least they have a 28 day cut off where you can be a recovered patient. I think what we are doing in England is a bit silly. That's all | |||
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"You don’t *need* a basis, you you must *have* one. Otherwise we’d all believe in entirely random shit like the moon being made of jam or that a cat wrote Hamlet. Our beliefs are founded on consideration and dissemination. When someone spouts conspiracy I’d like to know what that process is. I’m legitimately interested. And people don't believe in random s**t??? Astrology, flat earth and religion spring to mind." Yes, except there is usually a rationale for such beliefs regardless of how far fetched. People don’t just wake up and decide to belief in a flat earth, or corona conspiracy. They watch some bullshit YouTube and don’t have the functionality to dispute it. It’s also because, I think, that people don’t want to believe in chaos or randomness, so they crave answers regardless of how far fetched. People would rather take comfort in God creating the universe and all that we see that it being a product of chance, process and random mutation. | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest And on what basis do you hold that belief? Was influenza similarly created? " Evidence? You demand evidence? 
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest And on what basis do you hold that belief? Was influenza similarly created? Since when did anyone need a basis for holding a belief? You don’t *need* a basis, you you must *have* one. Otherwise we’d all believe in entirely random shit like the moon being made of jam or that a cat wrote Hamlet. Our beliefs are founded on consideration and dissemination. When someone spouts conspiracy I’d like to know what that process is. I’m legitimately interested. " Their basis is that they want to believe it and it fits their preconceived notions. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. **"Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19..."** --------------- That's not true. If you've tested positive for covid, recover, and later die of something else, covid is mentioned in the death certificate ( that you had it) but covid is not recorded as the underlying cause of death. So that category above are people who die *with* covid and they are not included in the UK death toll. Only those dying *of* covid ( where covid is the underlying cause of death) are included. Well why is it when you click google and then the first website you look at has UK recovered nil, scotland such and such. Give scotland Scotland credit where it's due at least they have a 28 day cut off where you can be a recovered patient. I think what we are doing in England is a bit silly. That's all " **"...the first website you look at has UK recovered nil.."** ---------------- I didn't dispute that. If you read the first line of my response it explains that. What I was clarifying above, is that there is a difference between dying *with* covid and dying *of* covid. On the ONS site there are two separate figures for those dying *of* covid and those dying *with* covid. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. **"Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19..."** --------------- That's not true. If you've tested positive for covid, recover, and later die of something else, covid is mentioned in the death certificate ( that you had it) but covid is not recorded as the underlying cause of death. So that category above are people who die *with* covid and they are not included in the UK death toll. Only those dying *of* covid ( where covid is the underlying cause of death) are included. Apparently anyone who dies and Covid is mentioned on the death certificate is included in the figures in England. In Scotland it’s anyone who tested positive within 28 days of death is included in their figures. I’m not sure about Wales but believe they have a similar cut off point. This was pointed out by Carl Heneghan from Oxford University. That’s why they are having a review of the figures." **"...Apparently anyone who dies and Covid is mentioned on the death certificate is included in the figures in England..."** ------------------------------- There are people who test positive for covid and later die of other causes. Their death certificate will indicate that they had covid, but it will not say they died *of* covid ( i.e covid was not the direct cause of death). There are approx 4000 who have died with covid mentioned on their death certificate whose deaths are not included in the UK covid death totals. In cases where covid is the underlying or direct cause of death, those persons died *of* covid, and those are the cases that make up the UK death totals. Let me give you an excerpt from the ONS site: "There were 50,335 deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) that occurred between 1 March and 30 June 2020, registered up to 4 July 2020 in England and Wales; of these, 46,736 had COVID-19 assigned as the underlying cause of death." As you can see, between 1 March to 30 June this year, a total of 50,335 people died *with* Covid on their death certificate. However, out of that 50,335 it was 46,736 that died *of* covid and that is what goes down as the total death. The other 4000 who died *with* covid where covid was not the direct cause of death, have not been included in the official total of UK deaths. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. **"Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19..."** --------------- That's not true. If you've tested positive for covid, recover, and later die of something else, covid is mentioned in the death certificate ( that you had it) but covid is not recorded as the underlying cause of death. So that category above are people who die *with* covid and they are not included in the UK death toll. Only those dying *of* covid ( where covid is the underlying cause of death) are included. Apparently anyone who dies and Covid is mentioned on the death certificate is included in the figures in England. In Scotland it’s anyone who tested positive within 28 days of death is included in their figures. I’m not sure about Wales but believe they have a similar cut off point. This was pointed out by Carl Heneghan from Oxford University. That’s why they are having a review of the figures. **"...Apparently anyone who dies and Covid is mentioned on the death certificate is included in the figures in England..."** ------------------------------- There are people who test positive for covid and later die of other causes. Their death certificate will indicate that they had covid, but it will not say they died *of* covid ( i.e covid was not the direct cause of death). There are approx 4000 who have died with covid mentioned on their death certificate whose deaths are not included in the UK covid death totals. In cases where covid is the underlying or direct cause of death, those persons died *of* covid, and those are the cases that make up the UK death totals. Let me give you an excerpt from the ONS site: "There were 50,335 deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) that occurred between 1 March and 30 June 2020, registered up to 4 July 2020 in England and Wales; of these, 46,736 had COVID-19 assigned as the underlying cause of death." As you can see, between 1 March to 30 June this year, a total of 50,335 people died *with* Covid on their death certificate. However, out of that 50,335 it was 46,736 that died *of* covid and that is what goes down as the total death. The other 4000 who died *with* covid where covid was not the direct cause of death, have not been included in the official total of UK deaths. " My grandfather died of a heart attack. His death certificate indicated he had diabetes. It's obviously a conspiracy to inflate diabetes deaths. ... Or just how death certificates are recorded where he died. Heavens. | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. " Do you have any evidence for that? | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way " Say that again slowly, with a bit of punctuation please? | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. " Ah yes, but perhaps you are just inadvertently being led to believe that when the opposite is actually true. By spouting such bullshit you are falling into the trap of undermining the dangerous C-19 and allowing the government to relax the lockdown with greater support that they warrant. You maybe that’s just what I want you to believe, and the truth is that it’s all a big scam within a scam within a scam, and the pigeon battery changers where right all along. Or were they? | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Do you have any evidence for that?" Is there evidence it isn't? | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Ah yes, but perhaps you are just inadvertently being led to believe that when the opposite is actually true. By spouting such bullshit you are falling into the trap of undermining the dangerous C-19 and allowing the government to relax the lockdown with greater support that they warrant. You maybe that’s just what I want you to believe, and the truth is that it’s all a big scam within a scam within a scam, and the pigeon battery changers where right all along. Or were they?" The truth... is out there *X Files music* | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Do you have any evidence for that? Is there evidence it isn't?" Ok, so apart from the fact that asking to prove a negative is shifting the burden of proof and is all but a logical fallacy... Lots of data indicating the ways in which Covid-19 reacts in some people in ways which are incompatible with life. People dying when they've had no other issues. The near global consistency which is utterly impossible as a political idea. Among other things. | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Ah yes, but perhaps you are just inadvertently being led to believe that when the opposite is actually true. By spouting such bullshit you are falling into the trap of undermining the dangerous C-19 and allowing the government to relax the lockdown with greater support that they warrant. You maybe that’s just what I want you to believe, and the truth is that it’s all a big scam within a scam within a scam, and the pigeon battery changers where right all along. Or were they?" Maybe your believing the opposite of is true?...I never I actually believed this to be true...or did I?... | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Ah yes, but perhaps you are just inadvertently being led to believe that when the opposite is actually true. By spouting such bullshit you are falling into the trap of undermining the dangerous C-19 and allowing the government to relax the lockdown with greater support that they warrant. You maybe that’s just what I want you to believe, and the truth is that it’s all a big scam within a scam within a scam, and the pigeon battery changers where right all along. Or were they? Maybe your believing the opposite of is true?...I never I actually believed this to be true...or did I?..." The green arrow never lies. | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Do you have any evidence for that? Is there evidence it isn't? Ok, so apart from the fact that asking to prove a negative is shifting the burden of proof and is all but a logical fallacy... Lots of data indicating the ways in which Covid-19 reacts in some people in ways which are incompatible with life. People dying when they've had no other issues. The near global consistency which is utterly impossible as a political idea. Among other things." So they just had covid19 and died? I could get hit by a car and die they test me for covid19 and I have I'd go on the list as being healthy but dying with covid19 without looking into my death people wouldn't know it was the car that killed they'd assume it was covid19... | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Do you have any evidence for that? Is there evidence it isn't? Ok, so apart from the fact that asking to prove a negative is shifting the burden of proof and is all but a logical fallacy... Lots of data indicating the ways in which Covid-19 reacts in some people in ways which are incompatible with life. People dying when they've had no other issues. The near global consistency which is utterly impossible as a political idea. Among other things. So they just had covid19 and died? I could get hit by a car and die they test me for covid19 and I have I'd go on the list as being healthy but dying with covid19 without looking into my death people wouldn't know it was the car that killed they'd assume it was covid19..." ... No. With and of are distinctions that are made, except in conspiracy theory la la land. | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Do you have any evidence for that? Is there evidence it isn't? Ok, so apart from the fact that asking to prove a negative is shifting the burden of proof and is all but a logical fallacy... Lots of data indicating the ways in which Covid-19 reacts in some people in ways which are incompatible with life. People dying when they've had no other issues. The near global consistency which is utterly impossible as a political idea. Among other things. So they just had covid19 and died? I could get hit by a car and die they test me for covid19 and I have I'd go on the list as being healthy but dying with covid19 without looking into my death people wouldn't know it was the car that killed they'd assume it was covid19... ... No. With and of are distinctions that are made, except in conspiracy theory la la land." La la land sounds like a wonderful place, wanna go? We'd keep a 2 meter distance and wear masks  | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Do you have any evidence for that? Is there evidence it isn't? Ok, so apart from the fact that asking to prove a negative is shifting the burden of proof and is all but a logical fallacy... Lots of data indicating the ways in which Covid-19 reacts in some people in ways which are incompatible with life. People dying when they've had no other issues. The near global consistency which is utterly impossible as a political idea. Among other things. So they just had covid19 and died? I could get hit by a car and die they test me for covid19 and I have I'd go on the list as being healthy but dying with covid19 without looking into my death people wouldn't know it was the car that killed they'd assume it was covid19... ... No. With and of are distinctions that are made, except in conspiracy theory la la land. La la land sounds like a wonderful place, wanna go? We'd keep a 2 meter distance and wear masks "I like reality. | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Do you have any evidence for that? Is there evidence it isn't? Ok, so apart from the fact that asking to prove a negative is shifting the burden of proof and is all but a logical fallacy... Lots of data indicating the ways in which Covid-19 reacts in some people in ways which are incompatible with life. People dying when they've had no other issues. The near global consistency which is utterly impossible as a political idea. Among other things. So they just had covid19 and died? I could get hit by a car and die they test me for covid19 and I have I'd go on the list as being healthy but dying with covid19 without looking into my death people wouldn't know it was the car that killed they'd assume it was covid19... ... No. With and of are distinctions that are made, except in conspiracy theory la la land. La la land sounds like a wonderful place, wanna go? We'd keep a 2 meter distance and wear masks
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"This is a good read Let's see if I get blocked again. ukcolumn Google it . It sorts of makes sense " I’ve seen it. It only makes sense if you’re looking for something to reinforce your your mistaken views. | |||
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"I once saw a conspiracy theory slowly oozing out of a 5g mast" That 5G one died as quick as it started from what I saw | |||
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"May be. But something is wrong. With what we are being fed" That can be true without jumping off the deep end into lunacy. | |||
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"May be. But something is wrong. With what we are being fed" What do you think we are being fed. That people didn’t really die. That people didn’t end up seriously I’ll in hospital. | |||
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"May be. But something is wrong. With what we are being fed What do you think we are being fed. That people didn’t really die. That people didn’t end up seriously I’ll in hospital." Things are bad, people don't understand, therefore moustache twiddling supervillains. ... Or not. | |||
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"May be. But something is wrong. With what we are being fed What do you think we are being fed. That people didn’t really die. That people didn’t end up seriously I’ll in hospital. Things are bad, people don't understand, therefore moustache twiddling supervillains. ... Or not." mwahahaha, muwhahaha, muahahaha, bwahahaha | |||
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"May be. But something is wrong. With what we are being fed What do you think we are being fed. That people didn’t really die. That people didn’t end up seriously I’ll in hospital. Things are bad, people don't understand, therefore moustache twiddling supervillains. ... Or not. mwahahaha, muwhahaha, muahahaha, bwahahaha" I could think of supervillain theories with a lot fewer plot holes. Dear illuminati etc, are you hiring? | |||
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"Why is it mostly those over the age of 45 pushing these conspiracy theories? They're the very same people who said in the past "Don't believe everything you see on the internet!"." This site skews older, so there's that. But it does seem to be "don't believe what you read online, you incompetent children (under 40). Unless it's the stuff we like" | |||
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"May be. But something is wrong. With what we are being fed" Choose your sources wisely. Don't assume that any government will always tell you the full truth but also stay within reputable bounds, when you look to learn and discover more. I'm not fully aware of the death toll but could source it if necessy. Much of the global scientific research is available, if I want to increase my expertise and knowledge. I won't venture much from that. A lot of the sensationalist information and conspiracy theory type perspectives do nobody any good, apart from those who created them, who have their own agendas. | |||
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"May be. But something is wrong. With what we are being fed Choose your sources wisely. Don't assume that any government will always tell you the full truth but also stay within reputable bounds, when you look to learn and discover more. I'm not fully aware of the death toll but could source it if necessy. Much of the global scientific research is available, if I want to increase my expertise and knowledge. I won't venture much from that. A lot of the sensationalist information and conspiracy theory type perspectives do nobody any good, apart from those who created them, who have their own agendas. " Damn right | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest " Ah, bless | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way " Given the relatively small number of fatal road accidents ( 1000/year) and the number of positive tests (1% of population) Then your scenario might account for maybe ONE? | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Given the relatively small number of fatal road accidents ( 1000/year) and the number of positive tests (1% of population) Then your scenario might account for maybe ONE?" Just a minor correction: There were a little over 1700 road fatalities last year, and to date 0.46% of the UK population have tested positive for C-19, although the true number of those that have had it is many times more than that. In May 17% of Londoners who were randomly tested had antibodies. | |||
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"May be. But something is wrong. With what we are being fed" We are being fed information. We are being fed misinformation. The sources of both are many. Be cynical of both. Question both. Read up on research and critique before accepting. | |||
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"May be. But something is wrong. With what we are being fed What do you think we are being fed. That people didn’t really die. That people didn’t end up seriously I’ll in hospital. Things are bad, people don't understand, therefore moustache twiddling supervillains. ... Or not." Or pussy stroking... Apt for this place.  | |||
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"I think that everyone needs to look less at the news, it is an infodemic which spreads quicker than the virus. I saw the news last week and they said it was 3 more cases and it escalated, whilst it is not good, isnt it abit exaggerated? I wouldnt say use the word escalated there. " The newspapers are brilliant with the language they use. Inciting allsorts of horror. Contradictory articles on the same day. Genius.  | |||
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"I think that everyone needs to look less at the news, it is an infodemic which spreads quicker than the virus. I saw the news last week and they said it was 3 more cases and it escalated, whilst it is not good, isnt it abit exaggerated? I wouldnt say use the word escalated there. The newspapers are brilliant with the language they use. Inciting allsorts of horror. Contradictory articles on the same day. Genius. "Yes they do, cos they know what headlines that gets the views. | |||
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"This, as OP is my tuppence..... We are ‘wired’ to believe that our feeling are facts, because in the past fast emotional responses were a survival mechanism. We are also wired to try and make sense of our experiences, whether that’s what that big glowing warm thing in the sky that disappears regularly is, or why so many people are dying of this frightening new disease. We prefer ‘magical’ explanations over clear fact, and like to think we are special in our beliefs. This has been hacked in so many ways. Religion, for instance, with beliefs in an all-seeing, creationist, omniscient deity that takes a personal note of our individuality is an example of this. We want to believe that we have a special insight into how the world works, and that our place in it is bigger and better than it actually is, rather than that we are insignificant, and subject to death at the merest cough or touch. That tens of thousand of people can’t just die (because generally they don’t in our experience) without there being some proper conspiracy behind it. " | |||
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"...but what if they really *don't* want you to wear a mask? How is the facial recognition software going to track you with only half a face, eh? Didn't think of that, did you? #wakeupsheeple" Bedazzled masks stun the Illuminati. You'll be free from their chains! | |||
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"....Have you ever thought you might be part of a conspiracy to spread fake covid news via conspiracy theories?" It is. India, Bangladesh, Russia and China all have disinformation departments in their governments. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19." Not strictly true. PHE have decided not to record or publish those figures. Why is anybodies guess. Maybe due to the way our health system operates it isn't practical. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. Not strictly true. PHE have decided not to record or publish those figures. Why is anybodies guess. Maybe due to the way our health system operates it isn't practical. " "....Not strictly true. PHE have decided not to record or publish those figures...." ---------------------- You are right . And I have explained that as well on some of my posts above. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. Not strictly true. PHE have decided not to record or publish those figures. Why is antibodies guess. Maybe due to the way our health system operates it isn't practical. " FTFY Couldn't resist | |||
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"Banned.video for facts from real doctors . There are lots of stuff to help and these doctors have lost no one. You wont of seen the videos especially on google . Please research yourself theres more to it than just a virus with mortality rate of pneumonia. Did we lockdown for h1n1, sars ,mers ,Ebola ect not 1 bit so why in a election year for this 1 . They want us divided, divided we are weak . Together we are so strong . Message for any genuine questions " It's an election year for America so I guess your rhetoric is simply a copy and paste. Do your own searches for studies. Stop with YouTube videos as everyone is an expert - the thing is, just because they are a doctor doesn't mean they are experts in immunology or virology. | |||
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"Did we lockdown for h1n1, sars ,mers ,Ebola ect " Hey, you might be on to something here..... Or maybe it’s because those diseases didn’t come seaming through our population and start killing 1000s of people. Honestly how thick are some of you people? Don’t you remember the great UK Ebola pandemic? | |||
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"Did we lockdown for h1n1, sars ,mers ,Ebola ect Hey, you might be on to something here..... Or maybe it’s because those diseases didn’t come seaming through our population and start killing 1000s of people. Honestly how thick are some of you people? Don’t you remember the great UK Ebola pandemic?" Different diseases have different effects in the population?
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"Banned.video for facts from real doctors . There are lots of stuff to help and these doctors have lost no one. You wont of seen the videos especially on google . Please research yourself theres more to it than just a virus with mortality rate of pneumonia. Did we lockdown for h1n1, sars ,mers ,Ebola ect not 1 bit so why in a election year for this 1 . They want us divided, divided we are weak . Together we are so strong . Message for any genuine questions " Jesus the local council elections up in Pontefract appear to be brutal. | |||
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"Banned.video for facts from real doctors . There are lots of stuff to help and these doctors have lost no one. You wont of seen the videos especially on google . Please research yourself theres more to it than just a virus with mortality rate of pneumonia. Did we lockdown for h1n1, sars ,mers ,Ebola ect not 1 bit so why in a election year for this 1 . They want us divided, divided we are weak . Together we are so strong . Message for any genuine questions " Mate, if I was genuinely planning to do any research, a random forum nutter would be *way* down the list of reading material, as would bloody YouTube. I'd probably start with academic journals, clinical studies, that kind of thing, yeah? | |||
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"Saw an absolute blinder the other day. Blaming Bill Gates as the devil and then asking why it's called the corona virus and not the crown virus. Apparently when you add up the letters of corona (ie a=1., b=2, etc) you get 666. When questioned that the letters only add up to 66 they replied that corona has 6 letters in it so when added to the 66 (surely this becomes 6+66=72) they said you get 666 and therefore a link to Bill Gates." Some scholars, examining papyrus fragments, consider that 616 may be the true number of the beast. I'm sure that this insertion of complexity into the conspiracy theory is evidence that I, and theologians, are part of the conspiracy to cause sterility or mass indoctrination through Covid-19. | |||
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"Gotta love this one. This "only 53% have said they'll have the vaccine" story that has been cited here for the last few weeks, I found the actual figures (it's Kings College London) 53% - Certain or likely to have vaccine. 20% - Fairly likely to have vaccine. 11% - Undecided 16% - Reject or likely to. Assuming that half of the 'Undecided' will have it and 3/4 of the 'Fairly Likely' will as well and that gives a 73% uptake. Conspiracy to manipulate data to support a narrative, or just too dense to understand it?" I have hope for humanity yet | |||
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"Gotta love this one. This "only 53% have said they'll have the vaccine" story that has been cited here for the last few weeks, I found the actual figures (it's Kings College London) 53% - Certain or likely to have vaccine. 20% - Fairly likely to have vaccine. 11% - Undecided 16% - Reject or likely to. Assuming that half of the 'Undecided' will have it and 3/4 of the 'Fairly Likely' will as well and that gives a 73% uptake. Conspiracy to manipulate data to support a narrative, or just too dense to understand it?"
Many sensible people will wait for the point in time that they have a choice, before they take a decision. The full information needed will be available to support their decision making. They can change their minds afterwards too, with the situation at that point influencing their decision. It, like many things, will be about the context.
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"Gotta love this one. This "only 53% have said they'll have the vaccine" story that has been cited here for the last few weeks, I found the actual figures (it's Kings College London) 53% - Certain or likely to have vaccine. 20% - Fairly likely to have vaccine. 11% - Undecided 16% - Reject or likely to. Assuming that half of the 'Undecided' will have it and 3/4 of the 'Fairly Likely' will as well and that gives a 73% uptake. Conspiracy to manipulate data to support a narrative, or just too dense to understand it?" I'm seriously impressed that it adds up to 100% | |||
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"Gotta love this one. This "only 53% have said they'll have the vaccine" story that has been cited here for the last few weeks, I found the actual figures (it's Kings College London) 53% - Certain or likely to have vaccine. 20% - Fairly likely to have vaccine. 11% - Undecided 16% - Reject or likely to. Assuming that half of the 'Undecided' will have it and 3/4 of the 'Fairly Likely' will as well and that gives a 73% uptake. Conspiracy to manipulate data to support a narrative, or just too dense to understand it? I'm seriously impressed that it adds up to 100% "Of course it does - I didn't add VAT... | |||
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" I think some of you may need to apoligise to your so called conspiracy theorist fab colleagues. The bbc have this published on their travel page that there will be microtrackers in upcoming vaccines that permanently stay under your skin, supported by the bill gates foundation so they can track for people who have or have not been vaccinated for things like coronavirus. Here's the interesting part... "Travellers would present the customs officers with an entrance visa and a vaccination record. That could be a paper card – or a tiny tattoo on their arm, invisible to the naked eye but readable by an infrared scanner. This technology already exists and has been tried on live animals and human cadaver skin, said researcher Ana Jaklenec at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Their method uses micro-needle patches that can deliver both the vaccine and a squirt of an invisible ink under the person’s skin, storing the vaccination record. The macro-needles don't leave scars and are less invasive than the regular needles – it’s like putting on a Band-Aid,” Jaklenec said. That subdermal record is readable by a simple scanner, she added. “It can even be done with a modified phone.” Supported by The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the technology was aimed to help in the developing world where paper or electronic records aren’t always reliable. The goal is to try it on humans with a measles vaccine soon, but the tech may come handy for other proofs of immunisations – for example at the immigration point." Link to the full article here http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20200621-will-travel-be-safer-by-2022 And seeing that this is in a bbc article no one can accuse me of getting the info of some random youtube channel and seeing as most of you only believe somthing when it has the stamp of the bbc or sky news or other main stream media, maybe you might actualy take note and pay attention." Oh dear. It's a story from several months ago looking at what the world might look like for travellers in the coming years and exploring where existing and future technologies may fit in. Whilst Sci-fi can eventually become Sci-fact, this article is billed as a story at the moment. So, no apologies from me I'm afraid. | |||
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" I think some of you may need to apoligise to your so called conspiracy theorist fab colleagues. The bbc have this published on their travel page that there will be microtrackers in upcoming vaccines that permanently stay under your skin, supported by the bill gates foundation so they can track for people who have or have not been vaccinated for things like coronavirus. Here's the interesting part... "Travellers would present the customs officers with an entrance visa and a vaccination record. That could be a paper card – or a tiny tattoo on their arm, invisible to the naked eye but readable by an infrared scanner. This technology already exists and has been tried on live animals and human cadaver skin, said researcher Ana Jaklenec at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Their method uses micro-needle patches that can deliver both the vaccine and a squirt of an invisible ink under the person’s skin, storing the vaccination record. The macro-needles don't leave scars and are less invasive than the regular needles – it’s like putting on a Band-Aid,” Jaklenec said. That subdermal record is readable by a simple scanner, she added. “It can even be done with a modified phone.” Supported by The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the technology was aimed to help in the developing world where paper or electronic records aren’t always reliable. The goal is to try it on humans with a measles vaccine soon, but the tech may come handy for other proofs of immunisations – for example at the immigration point." Link to the full article here http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20200621-will-travel-be-safer-by-2022 And seeing that this is in a bbc article no one can accuse me of getting the info of some random youtube channel and seeing as most of you only believe somthing when it has the stamp of the bbc or sky news or other main stream media, maybe you might actualy take note and pay attention." Yes we are ALREADY DOING THIS. ITS CALLED THE DECLARATION OF TRAVEL form. We are being conditioned to fill this in next thing will be: take the microchip with all your details where u hem. Etc etc save time. No need to fill. Look at the latest hsbc advert: your dna is your data. | |||
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"Article: here are some potential solutions to this crisis. Conspiracy theorist: see! Barcodes umm tattoos umm microchips are the mark of the beast and the sign of the end times! " You are right. Those are solutions Problem- solution. Always. | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Do you have any evidence for that? Is there evidence it isn't?" Yes Boris and the boys said so, If Boris says something its 100% true | |||
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"People don't die from coronavirus they die with it, there is a big difference which people don't understand. The government are just trying to scare people into "being more healthy" when all there really doing is scarring people and effecting there mental health. Do you have any evidence for that? Is there evidence it isn't? Yes Boris and the boys said so, If Boris says something its 100% true"  | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest " Harold Shap an would have had a field day/year if still alive | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest Harold Shap an would have had a field day/year if still alive "Shipman | |||
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" Yes we are ALREADY DOING THIS. ITS CALLED THE DECLARATION OF TRAVEL form. We are being conditioned to fill this in next thing will be: take the microchip with all your details where u hem. Etc etc save time. No need to fill. Look at the latest hsbc advert: your dna is your data." SHOUTING IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE. | |||
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"The daily figures are not being published today. The conspiracy theorists go wild. "Government incompetence is fine. The disease is fine. Trying to combat it is illuminati lizard people in basements of pizzerias owned by Bill Gates and something to do with the mark of the beast. | |||
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"on a plus side I have always wanted to know what it's like living in Russia. Well I honestly believe you about to find out over the next few years on another note about the virus how can someone who has tested positive for the virus say 6 weeks ago and recovered but then is involved in a car accident and sadly passes away as a result of the accident, but on their death certificate its records death due to covid 19 so how many deaths have sadly been recorded in this way Well I think this is a slight exaggeration but no one in England has recovered from corona virus. Not one single person. Apparently once you've had it under current recording by PHE rules even if you live to 100 you've died of Covid-19. More bullshit. Evidence please. " Sounds like a bag of bollocks to me (scientific term) | |||
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"I think they're is a middpe ground between conspiracy theorist and believing everything the government says" Well. Any ground anywhere conspiracy theorist is radioactive waste and I'm not interested. The government tell partial truths. Other sources exist. If you want to go conspiracy theory versus government, always always go government. Personally I'm not, but you do you | |||
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"I think it was man made to reduce the elderly population and ethnic minority as its its there groups have been hit hardest " What do you mean by ethnic minority, white north European are the minority when you look at a worldwide population? | |||
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"I think they're is a middpe ground between conspiracy theorist and believing everything the government says" Romney Marsh springs to mind. | |||
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