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"are they young people have they been pub and clubbing it. have the severity of the illness diminished no news of this " I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable." Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense  | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense "How many deaths have been caused by collateral damage and where do these figures come from? | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense "And we should have just wrote off all the 50 year olds and over? | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense How many deaths have been caused by collateral damage and where do these figures come from?"Well DATA-CAN, the Health Care Research Hub (HDR UK) for Cancer, have suggested up to 35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment. So there’s some for a start. | |||
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"The numbers catching it don't matter, nor do cases. The only thing that matters is hosptalisations and deaths The UK weekly death statistics have been below the previous 5 year average for several weeks now." finally someone seeing this!! its ridiculous how they are acting now. | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense How many deaths have been caused by collateral damage and where do these figures come from?
Well DATA-CAN, the Health Care Research Hub (HDR UK) for Cancer, have suggested up to 35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment. So there’s some for a start.""...late diagnosis and treatment..." -------------------------- Late diagnosis and treatment has always been happening in the NHS long before covid. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment' you mentioned is not down to covid alone. | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense How many deaths have been caused by collateral damage and where do these figures come from?
Well DATA-CAN, the Health Care Research Hub (HDR UK) for Cancer, have suggested up to 35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment. So there’s some for a start.
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Late diagnosis and treatment has always been happening in the NHS long before covid.
The '35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment' you mentioned is not down to covid alone.
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"If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19" Out of interest where do you get your stats from and what’s your personal insight into Covid-19? Deaths in the under 14’s from Covid-19 in the UK stands at 1,984 and counting.... The annual average of fatal lighting strikes In the UK is 2... inclusive of all age groups. So let’s be generous... 14 equates to 0.25 fatalities a year from lightning strike. Meaning you are 8000 times more likely to be killed by covid 19 aged 14 and under than you are lightinging. | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense How many deaths have been caused by collateral damage and where do these figures come from?
Well DATA-CAN, the Health Care Research Hub (HDR UK) for Cancer, have suggested up to 35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment. So there’s some for a start.
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Late diagnosis and treatment has always been happening in the NHS long before covid.
The '35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment' you mentioned is not down to covid alone.
Correct with bells on! "What is down to covid is there hasn't been any smear test for nearly 4 months and this will cause late diagnosis of cervical cancer for some people and sadly for some people to late to cure. Not being examined by your GP or afraid to go to A&E we will see late diagnosis in other illness as well as other cancers. Stem cell transplants on the NHS has been stopped still a present. All this is very sad for everyone | |||
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"Theres some research which suggest the BCG vaccination offers some protection which explains why older people get hit harder. It also explains America who have never given it as routine. Could we do trials on this and vaccinate the vulnerable with the BCG if it does offer some protection? It's better than nothing. Locking everything down this way forever is starting to become a scary and depressing thought for me " It’s already being researched, I believe it’s called the BRACE trial, as with all research it will take time but it’s also known it isn’t more than a therapy at best. | |||
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"are they young people have they been pub and clubbing it. have the severity of the illness diminished no news of this " It seems to be spreading more quickly between households more than from pubs etc. | |||
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"Theres some research which suggest the BCG vaccination offers some protection which explains why older people get hit harder. It also explains America who have never given it as routine. Could we do trials on this and vaccinate the vulnerable with the BCG if it does offer some protection? It's better than nothing. Locking everything down this way forever is starting to become a scary and depressing thought for me It’s already being researched, I believe it’s called the BRACE trial, as with all research it will take time but it’s also known it isn’t more than a therapy at best." It's more than what we have right now and could protect the very high risk. Yes research takes time that I know but very little is actually being broadcast about research and such like just all the negatives. | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense How many deaths have been caused by collateral damage and where do these figures come from?
Well DATA-CAN, the Health Care Research Hub (HDR UK) for Cancer, have suggested up to 35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment. So there’s some for a start.
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Late diagnosis and treatment has always been happening in the NHS long before covid.
The '35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment' you mentioned is not down to covid alone.
Correct with bells on!
What is down to covid is there hasn't been any smear test for nearly 4 months and this will cause late diagnosis of cervical cancer for some people and sadly for some people to late to cure.
Not being examined by your GP or afraid to go to A&E we will see late diagnosis in other illness as well as other cancers. Stem cell transplants on the NHS has been stopped still a present. All this is very sad for everyone "Most surgeries should have continued with smear tests etc. Plus, really, if people think they have cancer and don't go to get checked out, that's stupidity rather than covid. | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense How many deaths have been caused by collateral damage and where do these figures come from?
Well DATA-CAN, the Health Care Research Hub (HDR UK) for Cancer, have suggested up to 35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment. So there’s some for a start.
"...late diagnosis and treatment..."
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Late diagnosis and treatment has always been happening in the NHS long before covid.
The '35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment' you mentioned is not down to covid alone.
Correct with bells on!
What is down to covid is there hasn't been any smear test for nearly 4 months and this will cause late diagnosis of cervical cancer for some people and sadly for some people to late to cure.
Not being examined by your GP or afraid to go to A&E we will see late diagnosis in other illness as well as other cancers. Stem cell transplants on the NHS has been stopped still a present. All this is very sad for everyone "Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. | |||
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"If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 Out of interest where do you get your stats from and what’s your personal insight into Covid-19? Deaths in the under 14’s from Covid-19 in the UK stands at 1,984 and counting.... The annual average of fatal lighting strikes In the UK is 2... inclusive of all age groups. So let’s be generous... 14 equates to 0.25 fatalities a year from lightning strike. Meaning you are 8000 times more likely to be killed by covid 19 aged 14 and under than you are lightinging." Where do you get your stats from? NHS England stats from England.nhs.uk 5min ago state 20 deaths in under 20s in England | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense How many deaths have been caused by collateral damage and where do these figures come from?
Well DATA-CAN, the Health Care Research Hub (HDR UK) for Cancer, have suggested up to 35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment. So there’s some for a start.
"...late diagnosis and treatment..."
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Late diagnosis and treatment has always been happening in the NHS long before covid.
The '35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment' you mentioned is not down to covid alone.
Correct with bells on!
What is down to covid is there hasn't been any smear test for nearly 4 months and this will cause late diagnosis of cervical cancer for some people and sadly for some people to late to cure.
Not being examined by your GP or afraid to go to A&E we will see late diagnosis in other illness as well as other cancers. Stem cell transplants on the NHS has been stopped still a present. All this is very sad for everyone
Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS.
The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid.
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"If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 Out of interest where do you get your stats from and what’s your personal insight into Covid-19? Deaths in the under 14’s from Covid-19 in the UK stands at 1,984 and counting.... The annual average of fatal lighting strikes In the UK is 2... inclusive of all age groups. So let’s be generous... 14 equates to 0.25 fatalities a year from lightning strike. Meaning you are 8000 times more likely to be killed by covid 19 aged 14 and under than you are lightinging. Where do you get your stats from? NHS England stats from England.nhs.uk 5min ago state 20 deaths in under 20s in England" That's what I thought if under deaths were that high we all would of been aware. | |||
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"If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 Out of interest where do you get your stats from and what’s your personal insight into Covid-19? Deaths in the under 14’s from Covid-19 in the UK stands at 1,984 and counting.... The annual average of fatal lighting strikes In the UK is 2... inclusive of all age groups. So let’s be generous... 14 equates to 0.25 fatalities a year from lightning strike. Meaning you are 8000 times more likely to be killed by covid 19 aged 14 and under than you are lightinging. Where do you get your stats from? NHS England stats from England.nhs.uk 5min ago state 20 deaths in under 20s in England That's what I thought if under deaths were that high we all would of been aware. " under14s | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. " There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service. | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service." Exactly this  , but people prefer to blame it all on covid. | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service. Exactly this , but people prefer to blame it all on covid."Personal fear and avoiding the service has nothing to do with covid ? | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service. Exactly this , but people prefer to blame it all on covid.
Personal fear and avoiding the service has nothing to do with covid ?"That's down to personal fear, and not because the NHS was 'unable' to treat them. | |||
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"The numbers catching it don't matter, nor do cases. The only thing that matters is hosptalisations and deaths The UK weekly death statistics have been below the previous 5 year average for several weeks now. finally someone seeing this!! its ridiculous how they are acting now. " Less people driving on the road, more people paying attention to hygiene, quarantine stopping lots of diseases, not just covid. Just goes to show that the precautions are working. | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service. Exactly this , but people prefer to blame it all on covid."But why have people been fearful of going to A&E (rightly or wrongly)? And getting any sort of initial appointment or diagnosis from a GP during the main lockdown was next to impossible. Even now, mine is locked and shuttered to the public and getting even a phone appointment involves telephone Olympics of immense levels. They have scrapped our online booking system since March BUT you have to order your prescription online and then keep going to the pharmacy on random days until they decide to order your meds in. Three times over three weeks is my record now (note I waited over a week from the initial request being made). One prescription I found was wrong when I got it home, because the in-house pharmacist took it upon himself to decide my request was wrong and he ordered a different sized appliance. I had to argue with him on the phone for 15mins to get him to reissue a script for the original size (that I've had for 2yrs). The whole rigmarole took almost three weeks to resolve and actually get the correct item. Each wait for the appliance to be ordered took at least a week, plus a week in between playing telephone tennis with the pharmacist, arguing and waiting for the "instant" e-prescription to manifest itself in the pharmacy system. This means being present in a pharmacy far more times than would normally be necessary AND long queues AND reduced opening hours! Pre Covid, we had no such issues with prescription ordering. I've run out of medication three times during lockdown, purely because processing times were so slow BUT you still couldn't reorder online more than a week before the script ran out and you can't order until the tick box is unhidden (which is precisely a week before the end of the last script). It's a farce and you wonder how/why people have missed out on treatment and medication? It's still a problem now and my area has had hardly any positive Covid tests for weeks (yet we're back in an amended set of regulations!) You can't just tear up the GP and community pharmacy provision indefinitely. | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service. Exactly this , but people prefer to blame it all on covid.
But why have people been fearful of going to A&E (rightly or wrongly)?
And getting any sort of initial appointment or diagnosis from a GP during the main lockdown was next to impossible. Even now, mine is locked and shuttered to the public and getting even a phone appointment involves telephone Olympics of immense levels. They have scrapped our online booking system since March BUT you have to order your prescription online and then keep going to the pharmacy on random days until they decide to order your meds in. Three times over three weeks is my record now (note I waited over a week from the initial request being made).
One prescription I found was wrong when I got it home, because the in-house pharmacist took it upon himself to decide my request was wrong and he ordered a different sized appliance. I had to argue with him on the phone for 15mins to get him to reissue a script for the original size (that I've had for 2yrs). The whole rigmarole took almost three weeks to resolve and actually get the correct item. Each wait for the appliance to be ordered took at least a week, plus a week in between playing telephone tennis with the pharmacist, arguing and waiting for the "instant" e-prescription to manifest itself in the pharmacy system. This means being present in a pharmacy far more times than would normally be necessary AND long queues AND reduced opening hours!
Pre Covid, we had no such issues with prescription ordering. I've run out of medication three times during lockdown, purely because processing times were so slow BUT you still couldn't reorder online more than a week before the script ran out and you can't order until the tick box is unhidden (which is precisely a week before the end of the last script). It's a farce and you wonder how/why people have missed out on treatment and medication? It's still a problem now and my area has had hardly any positive Covid tests for weeks (yet we're back in an amended set of regulations!)
You can't just tear up the GP and community pharmacy provision indefinitely. "I've had no issues getting doctors appointments nor with my medication. I've had 3 telephone appointments with my doctor on the same day I phoned. It seems that maybe it's your GP and pharmacist were your issue. Not covids fault. | |||
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"Theres some research which suggest the BCG vaccination offers some protection which explains why older people get hit harder. It also explains America who have never given it as routine. Could we do trials on this and vaccinate the vulnerable with the BCG if it does offer some protection? It's better than nothing. Locking everything down this way forever is starting to become a scary and depressing thought for me " But per 100,000 American deaths are way, way below here! | |||
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"Personal fear and avoiding the service has nothing to do with covid ?" Perhaps the better way to look at it is “if the fear of catching covid in a clinical setting has kept people away from A&E” how on earth would hospitals with greater numbers of affected people in a non lockdown scenario been more attractive a proposition to visit? | |||
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"Personal fear and avoiding the service has nothing to do with covid ? Perhaps the better way to look at it is “if the fear of catching covid in a clinical setting has kept people away from A&E” how on earth would hospitals with greater numbers of affected people in a non lockdown scenario been more attractive a proposition to visit?" I agree but that other guy was saying it wasnt down the covid. Of course it was. | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service. Exactly this , but people prefer to blame it all on covid.
But why have people been fearful of going to A&E (rightly or wrongly)?
And getting any sort of initial appointment or diagnosis from a GP during the main lockdown was next to impossible. Even now, mine is locked and shuttered to the public and getting even a phone appointment involves telephone Olympics of immense levels. They have scrapped our online booking system since March BUT you have to order your prescription online and then keep going to the pharmacy on random days until they decide to order your meds in. Three times over three weeks is my record now (note I waited over a week from the initial request being made).
One prescription I found was wrong when I got it home, because the in-house pharmacist took it upon himself to decide my request was wrong and he ordered a different sized appliance. I had to argue with him on the phone for 15mins to get him to reissue a script for the original size (that I've had for 2yrs). The whole rigmarole took almost three weeks to resolve and actually get the correct item. Each wait for the appliance to be ordered took at least a week, plus a week in between playing telephone tennis with the pharmacist, arguing and waiting for the "instant" e-prescription to manifest itself in the pharmacy system. This means being present in a pharmacy far more times than would normally be necessary AND long queues AND reduced opening hours!
Pre Covid, we had no such issues with prescription ordering. I've run out of medication three times during lockdown, purely because processing times were so slow BUT you still couldn't reorder online more than a week before the script ran out and you can't order until the tick box is unhidden (which is precisely a week before the end of the last script). It's a farce and you wonder how/why people have missed out on treatment and medication? It's still a problem now and my area has had hardly any positive Covid tests for weeks (yet we're back in an amended set of regulations!)
You can't just tear up the GP and community pharmacy provision indefinitely.
I've had no issues getting doctors appointments nor with my medication. I've had 3 telephone appointments with my doctor on the same day I phoned. It seems that maybe it's your GP and pharmacist were your issue. Not covids fault. "The GP surgery excuse is Covid. Before March, we could book appointments online, a week was plenty of time to get a prescription and there was no in-house pharmacy bloke second guessing things. The pharmacy was open till 8pm, now its 6pm AND it closes at lunchtime for an hour and a half. I live in a small-ish town of 28,000 people. We have one "polyclinic" surgery, so no chance of moving. Only the one pharmacy locally is wheelchair accessible (not that anyone gave a shit about that before Covid; they give even fewer shits now). I've been working all the way through, so lunchtime or after 6 are the only times I can go to the damn pharmacy. Whether justified or not, that's the situation and Covid has been the excuse. Ironically, they ARE doing smear tests if you get a letter, but not much else, from all evidence! | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service. Exactly this , but people prefer to blame it all on covid.
But why have people been fearful of going to A&E (rightly or wrongly)?
And getting any sort of initial appointment or diagnosis from a GP during the main lockdown was next to impossible. Even now, mine is locked and shuttered to the public and getting even a phone appointment involves telephone Olympics of immense levels. They have scrapped our online booking system since March BUT you have to order your prescription online and then keep going to the pharmacy on random days until they decide to order your meds in. Three times over three weeks is my record now (note I waited over a week from the initial request being made).
One prescription I found was wrong when I got it home, because the in-house pharmacist took it upon himself to decide my request was wrong and he ordered a different sized appliance. I had to argue with him on the phone for 15mins to get him to reissue a script for the original size (that I've had for 2yrs). The whole rigmarole took almost three weeks to resolve and actually get the correct item. Each wait for the appliance to be ordered took at least a week, plus a week in between playing telephone tennis with the pharmacist, arguing and waiting for the "instant" e-prescription to manifest itself in the pharmacy system. This means being present in a pharmacy far more times than would normally be necessary AND long queues AND reduced opening hours!
Pre Covid, we had no such issues with prescription ordering. I've run out of medication three times during lockdown, purely because processing times were so slow BUT you still couldn't reorder online more than a week before the script ran out and you can't order until the tick box is unhidden (which is precisely a week before the end of the last script). It's a farce and you wonder how/why people have missed out on treatment and medication? It's still a problem now and my area has had hardly any positive Covid tests for weeks (yet we're back in an amended set of regulations!)
You can't just tear up the GP and community pharmacy provision indefinitely. "I totally agree with this
While the OP works in a hospital setting which I believe will be doing a great job...I've got to say GPs have been shite through this  | |||
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"Personal fear and avoiding the service has nothing to do with covid ? Perhaps the better way to look at it is “if the fear of catching covid in a clinical setting has kept people away from A&E” how on earth would hospitals with greater numbers of affected people in a non lockdown scenario been more attractive a proposition to visit? I agree but that other guy was saying it wasnt down the covid. Of course it was." I think we are all probably getting caught up thinking we are voicing against the “world would have been perfect without lockdown” crowd... Agreed Covid has and would have had a massive knock on or influence regardless of scenario | |||
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"Personal fear and avoiding the service has nothing to do with covid ? Perhaps the better way to look at it is “if the fear of catching covid in a clinical setting has kept people away from A&E” how on earth would hospitals with greater numbers of affected people in a non lockdown scenario been more attractive a proposition to visit? I agree but that other guy was saying it wasnt down the covid. Of course it was." You are digressing. The point I'm making above is: late diagnosis and treatment has always been happening in the NHS long before covid. It is nothing new. There are many factors responsible for that, yet some people seem to be blaming it all on covid. | |||
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"From working in Oncology I can tell u smear tests were stopped from when full lock down started and opened up 2-3 weeks ago when most places were opened back up. If some GPs carried on I'm thankful to them but this is a lot of missed smears. People not getting symptoms of cancer checked out is not there stupidity people are very scared of catching covid. I have had patients still receiving chemo scared to come to hospital incase they catch covid. It's not the NHS fault or the government, it's just the way it has been because we were in lockdown because there is a global pandemic. Being young, old, vulnerable or healthy cancer and covid can get anyone and that's sad." That was my point, everything can't be blamed on the NHS and the government. | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service. Exactly this , but people prefer to blame it all on covid.
But why have people been fearful of going to A&E (rightly or wrongly)?
And getting any sort of initial appointment or diagnosis from a GP during the main lockdown was next to impossible. Even now, mine is locked and shuttered to the public and getting even a phone appointment involves telephone Olympics of immense levels. They have scrapped our online booking system since March BUT you have to order your prescription online and then keep going to the pharmacy on random days until they decide to order your meds in. Three times over three weeks is my record now (note I waited over a week from the initial request being made).
One prescription I found was wrong when I got it home, because the in-house pharmacist took it upon himself to decide my request was wrong and he ordered a different sized appliance. I had to argue with him on the phone for 15mins to get him to reissue a script for the original size (that I've had for 2yrs). The whole rigmarole took almost three weeks to resolve and actually get the correct item. Each wait for the appliance to be ordered took at least a week, plus a week in between playing telephone tennis with the pharmacist, arguing and waiting for the "instant" e-prescription to manifest itself in the pharmacy system. This means being present in a pharmacy far more times than would normally be necessary AND long queues AND reduced opening hours!
Pre Covid, we had no such issues with prescription ordering. I've run out of medication three times during lockdown, purely because processing times were so slow BUT you still couldn't reorder online more than a week before the script ran out and you can't order until the tick box is unhidden (which is precisely a week before the end of the last script). It's a farce and you wonder how/why people have missed out on treatment and medication? It's still a problem now and my area has had hardly any positive Covid tests for weeks (yet we're back in an amended set of regulations!)
You can't just tear up the GP and community pharmacy provision indefinitely.
I've had no issues getting doctors appointments nor with my medication. I've had 3 telephone appointments with my doctor on the same day I phoned. It seems that maybe it's your GP and pharmacist were your issue. Not covids fault.
The GP surgery excuse is Covid. Before March, we could book appointments online, a week was plenty of time to get a prescription and there was no in-house pharmacy bloke second guessing things. The pharmacy was open till 8pm, now its 6pm AND it closes at lunchtime for an hour and a half. I live in a small-ish town of 28,000 people. We have one "polyclinic" surgery, so no chance of moving. Only the one pharmacy locally is wheelchair accessible (not that anyone gave a shit about that before Covid; they give even fewer shits now). I've been working all the way through, so lunchtime or after 6 are the only times I can go to the damn pharmacy. Whether justified or not, that's the situation and Covid has been the excuse.
Ironically, they ARE doing smear tests if you get a letter, but not much else, from all evidence! "That might be your GP surgeries excuse but it seems more likely to be bad planning on their behalf. As I've said, I've had no issues whatsoever with my GP. | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense "It’s not just about those who die. Many thousands of people have had their lives irreversibly changed by severe cases of C-19. It has produced heart, lung, brain, and other tissue problems that will lead to a loss of quality of life until they die. Many people will die prematurely because of the health problems that they have been left with. C-19 is a horrible disease, and it effects will be with us for the rest of our lives. The economy will recover, it always does, but many, many people will never recover from the scaring that they have received from catching it. | |||
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"https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26#coviddeaths Provisional deaths in England and Wales involving COVID-19 registered up to 17 July 2020, by age group and sex Male Female Under 1 year 2 0 1 to 14 years 2 2 15 to 44 years 337 214 45 to 64 years 3214 1681 65 to 74 years 4891 2658 75 to 84 years 9829 6757 85 years + 9940 11737 These are provisional figures so may change a bit but a pretty clear pattern, under 14 years old, low risk, 15-75 year olds medium risk, over 75 year olds increased risk - note to assess risk properly numbers would have to be divided by the number of each age and sex group in the whole population." You’re absolutely right Gary, i was quoting the infected figures and 1/2 thinking when I posted earlier... I amend my statement to 200 times more likely to be killed by covid than lightning x | |||
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" It’s not just about those who die. Many thousands of people have had their lives irreversibly changed by severe cases of C-19. It has produced heart, lung, brain, and other tissue problems that will lead to a loss of quality of life until they die. Many people will die prematurely because of the health problems that they have been left with. C-19 is a horrible disease, and it effects will be with us for the rest of our lives. The economy will recover, it always does, but many, many people will never recover from the scaring that they have received from catching it. " It’s rare, but somebody’s talking sense on here. The deaths figure is the headline, but how many have recovered but will spend their lives in a weakened state? That includes the under-14s. | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense
It’s not just about those who die. Many thousands of people have had their lives irreversibly changed by severe cases of C-19. It has produced heart, lung, brain, and other tissue problems that will lead to a loss of quality of life until they die. Many people will die prematurely because of the health problems that they have been left with. C-19 is a horrible disease, and it effects will be with us for the rest of our lives. The economy will recover, it always does, but many, many people will never recover from the scaring that they have received from catching it. " | |||
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"Most people can catch it and pass it on to any other type of person. Ultimately some people getting infected are more vulnerable to severe symptoms and death. The greater the numbers of people getting infected, whoever they are, is a problem for us all. We should be doing as much as possible to prevent anyone from getting infected. Even those with mild symptoms may get organ damage and failures, including brain damage. We don't yet know what the longer term consequences of individuals getting infected are - don't be too ready to discount it as a low impact problem. We just don't know. Likewise we don't know what effects subsequent unfections may have on those who have had it before, if they only have gained just a temporary immunity from it. As it ravages the body quite widely, those passing it off as a minor ailment don't have the evidence for this. " | |||
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"Keeley, it's not just my surgery who suddenly decided to slash almost any level of service on an arbitrary date in March, there are plenty of similar stories across the country. What can a patient do? I can't change surgery, that's the only one. How was I/am I supposed to access healthcare, when GPs are the gate keepers of almost all NHS services via onward referral? My referrals made earlier in the year have been cancelled. Not put on hold or on a waiting list, but scrapped entirely. I remain before square one because I can't even see/speak to a GP easily to restart the referral process! Here, all NHS services were immediately slashed/stopped, they haven't really restarted and I am in Greater Manchester, not a rural backwater. The local hospital hasn't had a Covid death in over a month and our weekly rate actually dropped YET we are in GM so dragged into yesterday evening's announcements. "Local lockdown" has become pan-bloody regional, affecting well over 4 million people, including areas that have continued to make progress BUT excludes places with very high and increasing rates, like Preston. " I'm not saying it's ONLY your surgery that has had an issue, I'm saying not all surgeries have had that issue which leads me to believe it's been poor planning on your surgeries behalf. I understand covid has affected things and made things harder to access but some places just haven't wanted to adapt. Overall it's just a shit situation and we need to try and deal with it as best we can. | |||
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"Sad for everyone, and covid is not the only reason for late diagnosis and treatment on the NHS. The '35,000 extra cancer deaths'the previous poster quoted, is not all down to covid. There is also the point to be made one of the greatest points of referral for diagnosis is A&E, the NHS messaging has been strong on the subject to not avoid going and a huge amount of care has been taken to keep these areas covid free. We know through attendance, people have stayed away... not through the ability to be checked but through personal fear and avoiding the service. Exactly this , but people prefer to blame it all on covid.
But why have people been fearful of going to A&E (rightly or wrongly)?
And getting any sort of initial appointment or diagnosis from a GP during the main lockdown was next to impossible. Even now, mine is locked and shuttered to the public and getting even a phone appointment involves telephone Olympics of immense levels. They have scrapped our online booking system since March BUT you have to order your prescription online and then keep going to the pharmacy on random days until they decide to order your meds in. Three times over three weeks is my record now (note I waited over a week from the initial request being made).
One prescription I found was wrong when I got it home, because the in-house pharmacist took it upon himself to decide my request was wrong and he ordered a different sized appliance. I had to argue with him on the phone for 15mins to get him to reissue a script for the original size (that I've had for 2yrs). The whole rigmarole took almost three weeks to resolve and actually get the correct item. Each wait for the appliance to be ordered took at least a week, plus a week in between playing telephone tennis with the pharmacist, arguing and waiting for the "instant" e-prescription to manifest itself in the pharmacy system. This means being present in a pharmacy far more times than would normally be necessary AND long queues AND reduced opening hours!
Pre Covid, we had no such issues with prescription ordering. I've run out of medication three times during lockdown, purely because processing times were so slow BUT you still couldn't reorder online more than a week before the script ran out and you can't order until the tick box is unhidden (which is precisely a week before the end of the last script). It's a farce and you wonder how/why people have missed out on treatment and medication? It's still a problem now and my area has had hardly any positive Covid tests for weeks (yet we're back in an amended set of regulations!)
You can't just tear up the GP and community pharmacy provision indefinitely. "It's wrong that you are having these issues, however my experience with my GP has been the opposite. During lockdown i have had 7 phone call consultations, all have been very easy to obtain, far easier than trying to get any kind of appointment pre covid. All have ended up with much needed prescriptions (mostly antibiotics, which i knew i needed) issued electronically to the local pharmacy, all available within 10 mins of the phone call. I have also had 2 phone call consultations with hospital consultants for 2 different illnesses, plus an xray, blood tests x 2, scan and breathing tests done in 2 different hospitals. Ordering my repeat prescriptions has required at least a weeks notice, which is annoying but it was exactly the same pre covid, so im used to it. I am very impressed with the NHS in general. | |||
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"I think you will find it has never has been as severe in the young as it has with the old and vunerable. Understatement!!! If your under 14 children are far more likely to be hit by lightning than die of Covid19 If you are under the age of 50 you are more likely to die from an accident or injury than the coronavirus, according to Cambridge University statistician Sir David Spiegelhalter. But hey lets quarantine everyone, rather than just the vulnerable, crash the economy and cause loads more deaths from the collateral damage. It makes perfect sense How many deaths have been caused by collateral damage and where do these figures come from?
Well DATA-CAN, the Health Care Research Hub (HDR UK) for Cancer, have suggested up to 35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment. So there’s some for a start.
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Late diagnosis and treatment has always been happening in the NHS long before covid.
The '35,000 extra cancer deaths because of late diagnosis and treatment' you mentioned is not down to covid alone.
Correct with bells on!
What is down to covid is there hasn't been any smear test for nearly 4 months and this will cause late diagnosis of cervical cancer for some people and sadly for some people to late to cure.
Not being examined by your GP or afraid to go to A&E we will see late diagnosis in other illness as well as other cancers. Stem cell transplants on the NHS has been stopped still a present. All this is very sad for everyone
Most surgeries should have continued with smear tests etc.
Plus, really, if people think they have cancer and don't go to get checked out, that's stupidity rather than covid."Wow Imagine thinking it's ok to refer to someone who may have cancer or be experiencing concerning symptoms but delay going to see a medical professional because they are frightened of the current situation, as stupid. I see the 'be kind' ethos has long fucked off for many. | |||
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"Most people can catch it and pass it on to any other type of person. Ultimately some people getting infected are more vulnerable to severe symptoms and death. The greater the numbers of people getting infected, whoever they are, is a problem for us all. We should be doing as much as possible to prevent anyone from getting infected. Even those with mild symptoms may get organ damage and failures, including brain damage. We don't yet know what the longer term consequences of individuals getting infected are - don't be too ready to discount it as a low impact problem. We just don't know. Likewise we don't know what effects subsequent unfections may have on those who have had it before, if they only have gained just a temporary immunity from it. As it ravages the body quite widely, those passing it off as a minor ailment don't have the evidence for this. " ?? | |||
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