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By *ntelligent Gent. OP   Man
over a year ago

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Which do you prefer? For economy and for health?

Open up, lockdown, open up, lockdown. Spain and England

Or the #covidzero approach to try and 'eliminate' as in minimise the numbers to a manageable level. Scotland or New Zealand. Lock to a minimal level then open.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Which do you prefer? For economy and for health?

Open up, lockdown, open up, lockdown. Spain and England

Or the #covidzero approach to try and 'eliminate' as in minimise the numbers to a manageable level. Scotland or New Zealand. Lock to a minimal level then open. "

I’m not sure you can compare Scotland and New Zealand to England and Spain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would have loved the new Zealand or Vietnam model in the beginning.

But we cant turn back time...

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By *ntelligent Gent. OP   Man
over a year ago

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Just your preferred strategy. Pick one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just your preferred strategy. Pick one "

I choose winning the lottery.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

its like comparing eggs with potatoes

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

I am happy with the way we are doing it, get test track and trace sorted and cockwomble compliance and we would have a stable way forward

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"I am happy with the way we are doing it, get test track and trace sorted and cockwomble compliance and we would have a stable way forward "

Exactly this.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Get covid gone, would have been a timely plan to start with, similarly to New Zealand. We could still plan to eliminate it but it will now take much longer and cost us much more

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire


"I am happy with the way we are doing it, get test track and trace sorted and cockwomble compliance and we would have a stable way forward "

Errrrrr, dont we already have a world leading, world beating, fit for purpose test track and trace app?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Which do you prefer? For economy and for health?

Open up, lockdown, open up, lockdown. Spain and England

Or the #covidzero approach to try and 'eliminate' as in minimise the numbers to a manageable level. Scotland or New Zealand. Lock to a minimal level then open. "

New Zealand. South Korea. Japan. Or any other country that's dealt with the issues more effectively than England

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Covid Zero. Lock it down, get workable tracing, regular testing, make it a risk like TB or measles going forward. Rather than indefinite dithering.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I am happy with the way we are doing it, get test track and trace sorted and cockwomble compliance and we would have a stable way forward "

Yeah where did track and trace disappear to?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Which do you prefer? For economy and for health?

Open up, lockdown, open up, lockdown. Spain and England

Or the #covidzero approach to try and 'eliminate' as in minimise the numbers to a manageable level. Scotland or New Zealand. Lock to a minimal level then open. "
If only it was that simple

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"I am happy with the way we are doing it, get test track and trace sorted and cockwomble compliance and we would have a stable way forward

Yeah where did track and trace disappear to? "

It ended up emulating every other government IT project I can recall - it cost three times the figure quoted, it didn't work but "lessons will be learned"... so that's all good then...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Which do you prefer? For economy and for health?

Open up, lockdown, open up, lockdown. Spain and England

Or the #covidzero approach to try and 'eliminate' as in minimise the numbers to a manageable level. Scotland or New Zealand. Lock to a minimal level then open. "

There are two different models in place, sadly If you understand the approach you find the answer is it all depends how quickly you react.

There’s a point of no return on the infection ramp, when we locked down there where too many infected people to eradicate the virus... think of track and traces daily task currently: contact 4000 people and then contact each of those people’s 20,30 odd contacts from the past week and get them tested etc... it can’t be done.

Scotland however is weeks behind England or importantly London and as such, they stand a chance to become clear.

The economics question is tricky though, Scotland and Newzealand are dependent on tourism... in a cruel twist despite undoubtedly one of the best performances worldwide NZ is now facing crippling economic circumstances yet needs to keep borders closed to maintain their spotless populations health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Retrospectively we needed everyone worldwide to shift into lockdown as soon as infection was detected and adopt a NZ approach... sadly most countries missed the window of opportunity and now it’s simply managing the impact and adapting to live with the virus amongst the population.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"its like comparing eggs with potatoes "

It’s like comparing eggs with a mid sized family car! The differences are vast

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By *ntelligent Gent. OP   Man
over a year ago

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I understand some are dismissive of minimising infection rates.

Given global health experts at the University of Oxford, Edinburgh, UCL, former chief scientist, think its possible I'm asking if you could. Would you?

There's no way you will actually know unless you try. Those that have, have largely been successful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too many cockwombles in this country.

Just look at G Manchester, Leicester, Bradford, Blackburn etc.

That wasn't poor strategy....that was idiots!

Spain had a faster, harder lockdown....but the idiots there still fcuked it up again....

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By *ntelligent Gent. OP   Man
over a year ago

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There is also this narrative of blaming people. Which is a politically fruitful strategy for governments as people love to blame each other. As a public policy maker you have behavioural scientists who are happy to tell you and are good at telling you what people will do given what you say.

I'm giving you the position of policy makes and head of comms. Which strategy would you try? Assuming both can happen which scientists argue can happen.

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