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"Hi all Me and the wife have booked to go benidorm 3rd of October for my 40th... Whats everyones thoughts? Do you lot think it will open ir ok to travel around that time? Really hope so Thanks" It's a risk, check your insurance covers you if your trip gets cancelled at short notice, I would also work on the assumption you will have to quarantine for 2 weeks when you get back. If you don't, then you won't have lost anything at least. | |||
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"Hi all Me and the wife have booked to go benidorm 3rd of October for my 40th... Whats everyones thoughts? Do you lot think it will open ir ok to travel around that time? Really hope so Thanks" Impossible to know but I'd go with probably ok by then, good luck | |||
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"Hi all Me and the wife have booked to go benidorm 3rd of October for my 40th... Whats everyones thoughts? Do you lot think it will open ir ok to travel around that time? Really hope so Thanks" Yes impossible to know, look how quickly things changed over the weekend. I hope you get away | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. " so if you believe whats being said that this is here for good... then no more holidays abroad then?? | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. so if you believe whats being said that this is here for good... then no more holidays abroad then?? " There may never be a cure for virus so looks like Margate in the rain is back in fashion | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. so if you believe whats being said that this is here for good... then no more holidays abroad then?? " I don't think they said that. I think they said, if you go away in a pandemic, then accept any consequences. | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. so if you believe whats being said that this is here for good... then no more holidays abroad then?? I don't think they said that. I think they said, if you go away in a pandemic, then accept any consequences. " yes but this is here for good isnt it?? could easily be a spike one week and they do this again no? Alex46 was harsh | |||
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"I still intend to travel. Life is a risk everyday in everything we do." i actually cant wait to get back to Italy. love the place!! | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. so if you believe whats being said that this is here for good... then no more holidays abroad then?? I don't think they said that. I think they said, if you go away in a pandemic, then accept any consequences. yes but this is here for good isnt it?? could easily be a spike one week and they do this again no? Alex46 was harsh " I think it's still relatively early days still to know how long it will be in the community and its effects or if it mutates etc. And what any new "normal" might look like. We have got used to doing what we want, where we want, when we want and with little thought of any consequences. I think this cloud will give us pause to reflect on the effects of our decisions. I agree we have shown that so far, we have no control over when and where it may spike. And so far not very gracious in working together to a common goal. As for _lex46... I agree with them, I think we have got used to a narrative of it always being someone else's fault and someone else should compensate me if I need to quarantine and can't work as a consequence of my decision to travel or need to repatriate. Now as for the birthday boy... I hope it works out for you and you have a great time, with no quarantine. And if it does, I will be very jealous as right now, getting away for a weekend seems wonderful thought. | |||
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"I would be getting a plan B together just in case." who me?? ahh im too busy at the minute to start plan A! | |||
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"I still intend to travel. Life is a risk everyday in everything we do. i actually cant wait to get back to Italy. love the place!! " Snap... Though Greece happens to be my soft spot.... Maybe next year for me. | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. so if you believe whats being said that this is here for good... then no more holidays abroad then?? I don't think they said that. I think they said, if you go away in a pandemic, then accept any consequences. yes but this is here for good isnt it?? could easily be a spike one week and they do this again no? Alex46 was harsh I think it's still relatively early days still to know how long it will be in the community and its effects or if it mutates etc. And what any new "normal" might look like. We have got used to doing what we want, where we want, when we want and with little thought of any consequences. I think this cloud will give us pause to reflect on the effects of our decisions. I agree we have shown that so far, we have no control over when and where it may spike. And so far not very gracious in working together to a common goal. As for _lex46... I agree with them, I think we have got used to a narrative of it always being someone else's fault and someone else should compensate me if I need to quarantine and can't work as a consequence of my decision to travel or need to repatriate. Now as for the birthday boy... I hope it works out for you and you have a great time, with no quarantine. And if it does, I will be very jealous as right now, getting away for a weekend seems wonderful thought. " Very sensible | |||
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"A plan b is a couple of nights away in a spar in Warwickshire.... But would much rather be in benidorm " We didn't book anything abroad this year luckily and will be having a week in Norfolk. It's not about a fancy holiday for us this year it's about getting a change of scenery. There's some lovely places in the UK, I've heard Warwickshire is particularly nice | |||
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" Very sensible " Blimey, not been called sensible since 1979 when I decided not to buy a pair of Birmingham bags. | |||
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"A plan b is a couple of nights away in a spar in Warwickshire.... But would much rather be in benidorm " I don't like going to shops at the best if times I certainly wouldn't holiday in one | |||
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"We live in the Andalucia area of southern province of Spain. Which is the size of the whole of the U.K. Living 30km from Malaga England had 11 deaths yesterday Sunday 26 July. The whole of Andalucia 11 deaths in the whole of the week, 1 in Malaga The virus is in the north of Spain that only a handful of tourists visit. " Really? You live there and maybe it looks bigger than it is ! Andalusia 87,000 sq K. The UK 240,000 sq so you were only slightly out! | |||
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" Very sensible Blimey, not been called sensible since 1979 when I decided not to buy a pair of Birmingham bags. " Not sure what Birmingham bags are tbh | |||
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"I cant see why anyone would want to travel during these times?" well some of us have houses abroad which have been locked up for quiet a while. | |||
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" Very sensible Blimey, not been called sensible since 1979 when I decided not to buy a pair of Birmingham bags. Not sure what Birmingham bags are tbh " Uh-huh... In blackadder voice.. They were a common thing round our way don't you knkw.. .. Hideous trousers... Like Oxford bags but not as "baggy" with a ridiculous number of buttons. Hopefully will never ever become fashionable again.. Along with tank tops. Apologies OP for going off piste a little bit. | |||
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"Its very simple really, the whole travelling abroad thing is very fluid.If you want to go abroad go but be prepared to be told to quarantine at a very short notice if you cant do that dont risk it. " 100% this ... can change at any time, nobody can predict or give you guarantees, not fab forums, not your travel agent, not even the government you just gotta judge what level of risk is right for you and go with that | |||
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"I cant see why anyone would want to travel during these times?well some of us have houses abroad which have been locked up for quiet a while." and some of is have been locked up in our houses here for just as long ive said on threads (might even be this one further up) that i am desperate to travel ... i live alone in a flat, now work from home permanently and cabin fever is really setting in for me i don't live with anyone to pass it on to, can shop online, work at hone for 2 weeks quarantine when i get back, have booked an air bnb with loungers on the balcony so i can even quarantine when i get abroad while still enjoying the change in scenery if i have to ... so pretty much the only people i add any risk to are the other travellers on the flight who have made the same risk assessment as me before booking i can completely understand why some people are not ready to travel yet .. my friends with kids for example wouldn't even dream of it ... but not everyone is in the same position and people could be considering that scenarios other than their own exist before condemning every traveller as selfish and wreckless | |||
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"I cant see why anyone would want to travel during these times?" Same reason we go on holidays every other year ... | |||
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"I cant see why anyone would want to travel during these times?well some of us have houses abroad which have been locked up for quiet a while. and some of is have been locked up in our houses here for just as long ive said on threads (might even be this one further up) that i am desperate to travel ... i live alone in a flat, now work from home permanently and cabin fever is really setting in for me i don't live with anyone to pass it on to, can shop online, work at hone for 2 weeks quarantine when i get back, have booked an air bnb with loungers on the balcony so i can even quarantine when i get abroad while still enjoying the change in scenery if i have to ... so pretty much the only people i add any risk to are the other travellers on the flight who have made the same risk assessment as me before booking i can completely understand why some people are not ready to travel yet .. my friends with kids for example wouldn't even dream of it ... but not everyone is in the same position and people could be considering that scenarios other than their own exist before condemning every traveller as selfish and wreckless " That is right as they could have a place there too. I thought more with the mass gatherings at airports as well and also the crowds in the places some would visit. | |||
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"I cant see why anyone would want to travel during these times? Same reason we go on holidays every other year ..." Yes, but this year it is at your own risk tho and others too. | |||
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"I cant see why anyone would want to travel during these times?well some of us have houses abroad which have been locked up for quiet a while. and some of is have been locked up in our houses here for just as long ive said on threads (might even be this one further up) that i am desperate to travel ... i live alone in a flat, now work from home permanently and cabin fever is really setting in for me i don't live with anyone to pass it on to, can shop online, work at hone for 2 weeks quarantine when i get back, have booked an air bnb with loungers on the balcony so i can even quarantine when i get abroad while still enjoying the change in scenery if i have to ... so pretty much the only people i add any risk to are the other travellers on the flight who have made the same risk assessment as me before booking i can completely understand why some people are not ready to travel yet .. my friends with kids for example wouldn't even dream of it ... but not everyone is in the same position and people could be considering that scenarios other than their own exist before condemning every traveller as selfish and wreckless That is right as they could have a place there too. I thought more with the mass gatherings at airports as well and also the crowds in the places some would visit." dont get me wrong ... if i go away and get stranded thats tough luck for me , my risk and therefore my cost to sort myself out with accommodation and getting home ... i think people that want the freedom to travel and yet expect to be bailed out if it goes wrong need to give their head a wobble and realise at some point they need to take responsibility for themselves .... so i do see both sides of it | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. so if you believe whats being said that this is here for good... then no more holidays abroad then?? There may never be a cure for virus so looks like Margate in the rain is back in fashion " Kiss me quick Tourist locations in spain are usually quite that time of year. Nobody can see the future in their crystal ball but it should at tjr least be easier to socially distance then | |||
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" Tourist locations in spain are usually quiet that time of year. Nobody can see the future in their crystal ball but it should at least be easier to socially distance then" Just takes 1 person to not socially distance though.. At check in, at security, on the flight, waiting in line at passport control.. | |||
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"Hi all Me and the wife have booked to go benidorm 3rd of October for my 40th... Whats everyones thoughts? Do you lot think it will open ir ok to travel around that time? Really hope so Thanks" Commiserations | |||
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" Tourist locations in spain are usually quiet that time of year. Nobody can see the future in their crystal ball but it should at least be easier to socially distance then Just takes 1 person to not socially distance though.. At check in, at security, on the flight, waiting in line at passport control.." Actually there's a 99.7% chance that 1 person that doesn't socially distance won't be Covid positive. Worth noting | |||
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"I cant see why anyone would want to travel during these times? Same reason we go on holidays every other year ...Yes, but this year it is at your own risk tho and others too." Travel is always risky, yes there's Covid but it's possibly going to be around for the rest of my life. | |||
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"Booked it 2 weeks ago. Seen everyone was going away so thought i cant go to a spar in October for my 40th. So took the plunge ???? Then woke up yesterday and ????" there will be spar shops wherever you go.. was one in Greece and in lanzarote | |||
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"Hi all Me and the wife have booked to go benidorm 3rd of October for my 40th... Whats everyones thoughts? Do you lot think it will open ir ok to travel around that time? Really hope so Thanks" I’m hoping so, me and a few mates have booked of mid October, sure it will have settled a bit by then but who knows. Risk you take I suppose | |||
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"A plan b is a couple of nights away in a spar in Warwickshire.... But would much rather be in benidorm " I hope you meant Spa as bonking in a local Warwickshire convenience store would be totally weird you pervs! | |||
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"I cant see why anyone would want to travel during these times?well some of us have houses abroad which have been locked up for quiet a while. and some of is have been locked up in our houses here for just as long ive said on threads (might even be this one further up) that i am desperate to travel ... i live alone in a flat, now work from home permanently and cabin fever is really setting in for me i don't live with anyone to pass it on to, can shop online, work at hone for 2 weeks quarantine when i get back, have booked an air bnb with loungers on the balcony so i can even quarantine when i get abroad while still enjoying the change in scenery if i have to ... so pretty much the only people i add any risk to are the other travellers on the flight who have made the same risk assessment as me before booking i can completely understand why some people are not ready to travel yet .. my friends with kids for example wouldn't even dream of it ... but not everyone is in the same position and people could be considering that scenarios other than their own exist before condemning every traveller as selfish and wreckless That is right as they could have a place there too. I thought more with the mass gatherings at airports as well and also the crowds in the places some would visit. dont get me wrong ... if i go away and get stranded thats tough luck for me , my risk and therefore my cost to sort myself out with accommodation and getting home ... i think people that want the freedom to travel and yet expect to be bailed out if it goes wrong need to give their head a wobble and realise at some point they need to take responsibility for themselves .... so i do see both sides of it " I like your attitude, and fully understand your own risk assessment, as I am in the same position as you, ie living alone and working alone, it has been extremely difficult at and I've had a few mini breakdowns at the beginning! But your right, it's the fact that people take the risk and when it all goes wrong, expect others to bail them out of the shit! As far as I am concerned, you take the risk? Then be prepared to pay your way for further expenses if this falls apart. Myself personally, I wouldn't be comfortable at the moment but I hope everyone enjoys whatever they decide to do. | |||
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"I cant see why anyone would want to travel during these times? Same reason we go on holidays every other year ...Yes, but this year it is at your own risk tho and others too. Travel is always risky, yes there's Covid but it's possibly going to be around for the rest of my life." Yes that is why people should travel less as this is more about having consideration to not spread it or get it there. | |||
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"A plan b is a couple of nights away in a spar in Warwickshire.... But would much rather be in benidorm I hope you meant Spa as bonking in a local Warwickshire convenience store would be totally weird you pervs! " I'm sure it would appeal to some on here | |||
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" Sorry my mistake. I ment asda" As long as you have a face mask on you'll be ok | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. " Blimey, I've been away for a couple of days and this has grown. I didn't say people were idiots for travelling for a holiday but they are if they do and moan if something goes wrong, which is highly likely during a global pandemic. I'm all for having a foreign holiday but at the moment it's risky that there will be delays or quarantine measures that can change daily. Take the chance if you want, at the moment I prefer not to. | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. so if you believe whats being said that this is here for good... then no more holidays abroad then?? " Absolutely, never, never, never any more holidays to filthy, disease riddled foreign climes. So, look forward to years and years of Rhyl. | |||
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"Hi all Me and the wife have booked to go benidorm 3rd of October for my 40th... Whats everyones thoughts? Do you lot think it will open ir ok to travel around that time? Really hope so Thanks" Didn’t you have a choice? | |||
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"Well looks like benidorm is off " Sorry to hear that.. | |||
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"I’m booked for a week from 24th Sept, Ye pays yer money ye takes yer choice!????" Hope you get away | |||
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"Hi all Me and the wife have booked to go benidorm 3rd of October for my 40th... Whats everyones thoughts? Do you lot think it will open ir ok to travel around that time? Really hope so Thanks" Don't moan if you get quaritine or canceled Why can you wait till next year totally selfish | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. " Totally agree Very irresponsible behaviour | |||
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"Personally, I wouldn't because the risk is unquantifiable. I cannot objectively quantify the risk outside my front door, let alone x hundred/thousand miles away, potentially in another country, with all the complications that would ensue if infected during or after the event. One of the key things you learn in emergency response scenarios is not to endanger yourself unnecessarily. Yes, the house may be on fire, and people may be inside, but threat assess the risk before jumping inside, less you add another problem for someone else to deal with. At home, I am doing the best thing possible. For me, and for others. I am neither exposing myself to the virus, nor passing it on to others. I am the virus's worst enemy. A potential host that refuses to engage with the virus and actively avoids the virus. It is the most effective strategy fully within my own control to date, and compromising that strategy jeopardises the health of others and naturally my own. Cold, hard logic, perhaps. But right here, right now, we're up against a stone cold killer that merits a suitable, global response. Funsies can come later down the line. When ? However long it takes. Stay safe folks. " so no judgement, genuine enquiry... are you not leaving the house ? and if not , if we dont get a vaccine do you plan on re-engaging with normal life at any point if so when for me that level of sacrifice creates for me, as someone who lives alone and now works for home , a life i dont want to live (not metaphorically, literally) and a situation where the risk is worth it for me ...brutally honestly that level of restricted, isolated living would cause me extreme mental health issues | |||
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"I’m booked for a week from 24th Sept, Ye pays yer money ye takes yer choice!????" Very irresponsible | |||
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"Would love to go abroad, do so four times a year and missing our adventures. October was pencilled in but we've written that off, too risky for the obvious reasons. Cancelled our holiday in two weeks abroad a while back, Pembrokeshire in a tent here we come." I agree sensible approach. Im missing my holidays, abroad. But not considering till vaccine in place Very irresponsible and selfish booking holiday abroad this year | |||
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"Personally, I wouldn't because the risk is unquantifiable. I cannot objectively quantify the risk outside my front door, let alone x hundred/thousand miles away, potentially in another country, with all the complications that would ensue if infected during or after the event. One of the key things you learn in emergency response scenarios is not to endanger yourself unnecessarily. Yes, the house may be on fire, and people may be inside, but threat assess the risk before jumping inside, less you add another problem for someone else to deal with. Totally selfish you could spread virus irresponsible. If you got mental issues goo the Dr's not aboad At home, I am doing the best thing possible. For me, and for others. I am neither exposing myself to the virus, nor passing it on to others. I am the virus's worst enemy. A potential host that refuses to engage with the virus and actively avoids the virus. It is the most effective strategy fully within my own control to date, and compromising that strategy jeopardises the health of others and naturally my own. Cold, hard logic, perhaps. But right here, right now, we're up against a stone cold killer that merits a suitable, global response. Funsies can come later down the line. When ? However long it takes. Stay safe folks. so no judgement, genuine enquiry... are you not leaving the house ? and if not , if we dont get a vaccine do you plan on re-engaging with normal life at any point if so when for me that level of sacrifice creates for me, as someone who lives alone and now works for home , a life i dont want to live (not metaphorically, literally) and a situation where the risk is worth it for me ...brutally honestly that level of restricted, isolated living would cause me extreme mental health issues " | |||
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"Personally, I wouldn't because the risk is unquantifiable. I cannot objectively quantify the risk outside my front door, let alone x hundred/thousand miles away, potentially in another country, with all the complications that would ensue if infected during or after the event. One of the key things you learn in emergency response scenarios is not to endanger yourself unnecessarily. Yes, the house may be on fire, and people may be inside, but threat assess the risk before jumping inside, less you add another problem for someone else to deal with. At home, I am doing the best thing possible. For me, and for others. I am neither exposing myself to the virus, nor passing it on to others. I am the virus's worst enemy. A potential host that refuses to engage with the virus and actively avoids the virus. It is the most effective strategy fully within my own control to date, and compromising that strategy jeopardises the health of others and naturally my own. Cold, hard logic, perhaps. But right here, right now, we're up against a stone cold killer that merits a suitable, global response. Funsies can come later down the line. When ? However long it takes. Stay safe folks. so no judgement, genuine enquiry... are you not leaving the house ? and if not , if we dont get a vaccine do you plan on re-engaging with normal life at any point if so when for me that level of sacrifice creates for me, as someone who lives alone and now works for home , a life i dont want to live (not metaphorically, literally) and a situation where the risk is worth it for me ...brutally honestly that level of restricted, isolated living would cause me extreme mental health issues " Very irresponsible and selfish you could pass virus on. If you have mental issues you should be going the Dr's not abroad | |||
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" If you got mental issues goo the Dr's not aboad " grow up i never said i had mental health issues, i was engaging with the poster about something wider than booking a holiday , they described a much more restrictive life than stopping going on holiday and i was interested in how they reconcile that style of living vs they risk they face | |||
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" If you got mental issues goo the Dr's not aboad grow up i never said i had mental health issues, i was engaging with the poster about something wider than booking a holiday , they described a much more restrictive life than stopping going on holiday and i was interested in how they reconcile that style of living vs they risk they face " Happy to discuss if you mail me | |||
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"I have just come back from just outside of Benidorm. I had a private villa I went to with my kids. The only time I left the villa was to do a supermarket shop twice and we went into Benidorm twice to eat out. It was a lot quieter than normal but not dead. The flights where very quiet I would say only 15 people on return flight. I took out insurance with a company called battleface that cover travel to countries not recommended by the FCO. They are far more strict on face covering than we are over here. I would of mixed with more people on a night out in this country than I did in 2 weeks on my holiday. So depending on what you want to get out of your holiday and if your able to quarantine when back then I would say go for it. " Sounds bloody fantastic. Lucky you! | |||
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"Well the 3rd is a month off so there is a possibility I am guessing 50/50 I would guess though by the end of October I will be open as it gets cold then." It’s still warm in October in Benidorm | |||
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"Well the 3rd is a month off so there is a possibility I am guessing 50/50 I would guess though by the end of October I will be open as it gets cold then. It’s still warm in October in Benidorm " It depends what you class as warm. The days get shorter the temp drops it can hit 23 sometimes more but that's peak the mornings are chilly and the eves but its still nice walking around weather. | |||
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"Well the 3rd is a month off so there is a possibility I am guessing 50/50 I would guess though by the end of October I will be open as it gets cold then. It’s still warm in October in Benidorm It depends what you class as warm. The days get shorter the temp drops it can hit 23 sometimes more but that's peak the mornings are chilly and the eves but its still nice walking around weather. " I usually go for a weekend in October and I am usually on a packed beach sunbathing so it’s warmer that it is here. But cooler than it now but it’s very hot over there at the moment which is quite uncomfortable wearing a mask | |||
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"so no judgement, genuine enquiry... are you not leaving the house ? and if not , if we dont get a vaccine do you plan on re-engaging with normal life at any point if so when for me that level of sacrifice creates for me, as someone who lives alone and now works for home , a life i dont want to live (not metaphorically, literally) and a situation where the risk is worth it for me ...brutally honestly that level of restricted, isolated living would cause me extreme mental health issues " I have left the house once for a clinical appointment since March. With regards to when planning to reengage in normal life, it's more a case of having no plans until such time as it is safe to do so. I find speculation on that timescale futile for me personally. It will be when it will be. I'm happy with that and can live with that. Not everyone can, and for my more extroverted friends, these are very difficult time, emotionally and physically for them, to the extent that we often joke (online ofc) that the roles are reversed. Normally they check up on me, now I'm checking up on them They are not coping well with the restrictions or isolating, but for me this is normal life with a few extra impediments that affect me minimally but are devastating for others. | |||
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"I think it's a daft idea to travel to another country during a global pandemic. But if you do decide to go, don't moan if something goes wrong with your holiday. You took the decision to go on holiday during a pandemic and you have to accept any unforseen concequences. Unlike the idiots that have just found out they need to go into quarantine and are moaning. so if you believe whats being said that this is here for good... then no more holidays abroad then?? There may never be a cure for virus so looks like Margate in the rain is back in fashion " A bit a chaz n Dave and some jellied eels | |||
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