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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's becoming clear that it's impossible to 'control' Covid-19 and allow society to operate normally. Almost as soon as social gatherings are permitted cases begin to rise rapidly - Poland, Spain, France, Japan, Australia - all seeing rapid rises post-lockdown.

Lockdowns will not end Covid....

But they could. Scotland is very close to eradication of Covid - we have less than 300 in hospital, under 10 in ICU and one death in 15 days. If we wanted to, we could eliminate the disease here by the end of the year & possibly much sooner.

The choice is political. Yes, maintaining a high level of restriction is unpopular (not least with me) but if the result is complete eradication & a return to properly normal life (well, with quarantine for all travellers) I think most would be willing to accept it.

The alternative is less restriction but with those continuing indefinately. No nightclubs. Facemasks. Socially distanced pubs & restaurants. No large family functions. No crowds.

So...which should we do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd only be able to eliminate it completely by allowing no one in or out of Scotland at all

if the virus mutates to become less infectious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eradication

oh wait you thought you were being serious

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"It's becoming clear that it's impossible to 'control' Covid-19 and allow society to operate normally. Almost as soon as social gatherings are permitted cases begin to rise rapidly - Poland, Spain, France, Japan, Australia - all seeing rapid rises post-lockdown.

Lockdowns will not end Covid....

The alternative is less restriction but with those continuing indefinately. No nightclubs. Facemasks. Socially distanced pubs & restaurants. No large family functions. No crowds.

So...which should we do? "

Cases haven't rapidly risen in the UK, even after restrictions being lifted. I cannot understand why people aren't seeing the figures and realising that we are on a downward trend.

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By *az080378Woman
over a year ago

Cromer

Lockdowns will not end Covid....

The alternative is less restriction but with those continuing indefinately. No nightclubs. Facemasks. Socially distanced pubs & restaurants. No large family functions. No crowds.

So...which should we do? "

I kind of understand the OP's point,there are countries that have had new cases drop really low and then start rising up,Spain is a good example.

But I think that the most important thing is to find out how/why cases then start to increase.

Is it through arrivals from other countries, pubs/clubs, work or commuting and then they can actually have areas to concentrate on.

Our numbers are down which is great but they need to find out how to keep them down.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

Can i get the choice to go up and see my parents and family in Scotland?

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Shops open

Pubs open

More people out together

Higher volume of people using public transport

Many business's open back up

Yet still 0 deaths would say this is a positive

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Shops open

Pubs open

More people out together

Higher volume of people using public transport

Many business's open back up

Yet still 0 deaths would say this is a positive "

If it's still like that in 6 weeks and we're looking at getting back to real normality - ie. proper family functions, major events running and all businesses operating profitably by December than I'll be the first to agree.

Sadly I suspect we'll actually be looking at a far worse picture, going by the experience of other countries who've gone down the path of reducing the virus to low levels then reopening only for it to bounce right back.

My point is that is we are to see the benefit of lockdown the evidence is pointing towards that having to be an eradication strategy rather than a suppression one.

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By *atBottomGirlsWoman
over a year ago

St Austell-ish

"Eradication

oh wait you thought you were being serious

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Complete eradication is possible and is a choice. It was an easier choice earlier in the year but our leader didn't want to do it.

The test and tracing is essential, with quarantine, all needing to be fully effective, amongst other measures

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Nothing like abit of positive mental attitude!

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Complete eradication is possible and is a choice. It was an easier choice earlier in the year but our leader didn't want to do it.

The test and tracing is essential, with quarantine, all needing to be fully effective, amongst other measures "

Sorry there is no way it can be eliminated until we have a vaccine and even then its doubtful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eradication and elimination are different.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Complete eradication is possible and is a choice. It was an easier choice earlier in the year but our leader didn't want to do it.

The test and tracing is essential, with quarantine, all needing to be fully effective, amongst other measures

Sorry there is no way it can be eliminated until we have a vaccine and even then its doubtful

It could die out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think this country or many others could wait in lockdown for the virus to completely eradicate because of economics, there is no way the government could bank roll it and the mess for our children and there children to overcome would be horrendous in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So...which should we do? "

You should have a look at Newzealands current position. They are the blueprint to what is highly commendable management of the crisis and have done nearly everything perfectly to deliver a Covid free country...

There’s an issue though, as with Scotland it’s a country dependent on high levels of tourism and the reality now is a population that is economically shattered with no real solutions in sight.

Closing borders is a really tough call, it has A safety factor but a lot of side effects too.

The only real solution is one that works worldwide... this all started off in one city after all... whilst it remains anywhere there’s a threat to everyone.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"So...which should we do?

There’s an issue though, as with Scotland it’s a country dependent on high levels of tourism and the reality now is a population that is economically shattered with no real solutions in sight.

Closing borders is a really tough call, it has A safety factor but a lot of side effects too.

The only real solution is one that works worldwide... this all started off in one city after all... whilst it remains anywhere there’s a threat to everyone. "

Not every country can deal with it in the same way since every country is different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Complete eradication is possible and is a choice. It was an easier choice earlier in the year but our leader didn't want to do it.

The test and tracing is essential, with quarantine, all needing to be fully effective, amongst other measures

Sorry there is no way it can be eliminated until we have a vaccine and even then its doubtful

It could die out "

When there are no more hosts.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Complete eradication is possible and is a choice. It was an easier choice earlier in the year but our leader didn't want to do it.

The test and tracing is essential, with quarantine, all needing to be fully effective, amongst other measures

Sorry there is no way it can be eliminated until we have a vaccine and even then its doubtful

It could die out

When there are no more hosts. "

Do you have information that nobody else has? There isn't enough information yet to say that definitely.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Initial indications are that long term immunity is unlikely. Levels of antibodies have been shown to decline after a few months although there remains uncertainty over whether another aspect of the immune system (T cells) may provide some protection in the longer term. If they do it's likely they will reduce the severity/length of the illness rather than provide immunity from infection.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So...which should we do?

There’s an issue though, as with Scotland it’s a country dependent on high levels of tourism and the reality now is a population that is economically shattered with no real solutions in sight.

Closing borders is a really tough call, it has A safety factor but a lot of side effects too.

The only real solution is one that works worldwide... this all started off in one city after all... whilst it remains anywhere there’s a threat to everyone. "

There are those who say the level of global travel/tourism we've seen recently is unsustainable even without Covid so perhaps it is time for countries to refocus their economies towards local rather than international tourism.

The fact is that we have only ever eliminated one disease worldwide and it took decades to achieve. That was with and effective vaccine providing reasonably long term protection and without the problems of todays 'antivax' hysteria.

Covid is here to stay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Complete eradication is possible and is a choice. It was an easier choice earlier in the year but our leader didn't want to do it.

The test and tracing is essential, with quarantine, all needing to be fully effective, amongst other measures

Sorry there is no way it can be eliminated until we have a vaccine and even then its doubtful

It could die out

When there are no more hosts. "

It could mutate to become less infectious, less deadly to those at serious risk. This is what happened to the Spanish Flu. No signs of that happening yet though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Complete eradication is possible and is a choice. It was an easier choice earlier in the year but our leader didn't want to do it.

The test and tracing is essential, with quarantine, all needing to be fully effective, amongst other measures "

Complete eradication would be tough even with a vaccine as there seems to be about five strains of COVID at the moment.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

Lockdown was never supposed to be about about stopping everyman and his dog from catching covid,

Once lockdown happened it was a dead cert that the battle lines of lockdown would be blurred, and sure enough it's happened, all this new normal crap, and the folks who are willing to accept it is frightning.

There are actually more folks dying from cancer and other stuff, let that sink in.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"You'd only be able to eliminate it completely by allowing no one in or out of Scotland at all

if the virus mutates to become less infectious. "

When a virus mutates, it produces a NEW strain. The original strain still exists there is just another additional strain. Most viruses, due to their simple cellular construction are constantly mutating, but most mutations are not significantly different and therefore not really relevant.

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