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By *ecretlyASoftie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

So if...

People who have had covid develop Antibodies but they can get it again. Tests show the antibodies diminish do reduce future protection.

And if...

Antibody tests warn even if you have antibodies you still need to take all the same precautions

Then why...

Will a vaccine that gets your body to generate antibodies actually be any benefit? Just quite how many times and how often will you be required to have a vaccine to continue to be protected against it?

Am I missing something because this doesn’t add up!

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I always wonder why cats need an injection every year but a human yellow fever inoculation lasts for ever.

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By *eammeupMan
over a year ago

Wooburn

Are you as confused about the flu jab? Same principle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you as confused about the flu jab? Same principle"

So immunity for a year?

Yet after having the real virus experts say you only have upto 3 months immunity.

So many mixed messages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire


"So if...

People who have had covid develop Antibodies but they can get it again. Tests show the antibodies diminish do reduce future protection.

And if...

Antibody tests warn even if you have antibodies you still need to take all the same precautions

Then why...

Will a vaccine that gets your body to generate antibodies actually be any benefit? Just quite how many times and how often will you be required to have a vaccine to continue to be protected against it?

Am I missing something because this doesn’t add up!

"

We don’t ‘know’ people with high antibody levels can get it again - the advice is precautionary

The antibodies from blood do kill the virus in tests (that’s why they are doing trials giving plasma from people with antibodies as a treatment)

Animal (monkey) studies have shown that after vaccination the monkeys do develop antibodies and if you try and give them covid again they start to develop symptoms like a runny nose but then it stops suggesting the immune system has kicked in

That may well be similar in humans - the trials are ongoing in Brazil and SA especially

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again? "

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we gave both had the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus."

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus.

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify "

Fify?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus.

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify

Fify?"

Gave...have. or maybe I got it wrong..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus.

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify

Fify?

Gave...have. or maybe I got it wrong.."

I am confused now lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus.

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify

Fify?

Gave...have. or maybe I got it wrong..

I am confused now lol."

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By *oddyWoman
over a year ago

between havant and chichester


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus.

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify

Fify?

Gave...have. or maybe I got it wrong..

I am confused now lol.

"
nowt new there then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus.

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify

Fify?

Gave...have. or maybe I got it wrong..

I am confused now lol.

nowt new there then "

You dont know us lol.

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By *atBottomGirlsWoman
over a year ago

St Austell-ish


"I always wonder why cats need an injection every year but a human yellow fever inoculation lasts for ever. "

Not sure what yellow fever in humans and cat injections have in common?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus.

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify

Fify?

Gave...have. or maybe I got it wrong..

I am confused now lol.

nowt new there then "

Elo _oddy...where you been?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus.

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify

Fify?

Gave...have. or maybe I got it wrong..

I am confused now lol.

nowt new there then

You dont know us lol.

"

Think it was meant for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1043868#top

This will help

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasnt there something about keeping T cells that remember the virus and makes antibodies again?

Yes but then other reports saying that immunity is limited.

We are very interested in immunity because we have both had the virus.

Maybe it will have to be quarterly vaccines. But I think we are all guessing and hoping for a good outcome on this.

Btw I fify

Fify?

Gave...have. or maybe I got it wrong..

I am confused now lol.

nowt new there then

You dont know us lol.

Think it was meant for me "

Oh

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

all that we know so fare is that milder the form of covide you had, the less antibodies you have in your body... which kinda makes sense because your body would not really have been fighting the disease as much or as long

what we don't know is if you will a flu type jab which will give you some protection, or a measles type booster, which forces the body to fight it and it then remembers!

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"So if...

People who have had covid develop Antibodies but they can get it again. Tests show the antibodies diminish do reduce future protection.

And if...

Antibody tests warn even if you have antibodies you still need to take all the same precautions

Then why...

Will a vaccine that gets your body to generate antibodies actually be any benefit? Just quite how many times and how often will you be required to have a vaccine to continue to be protected against it?

Am I missing something because this doesn’t add up!

"

Nobody knows, and anyone why says they do is deluded or a liar.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Are you as confused about the flu jab? Same principle"
Probs mean a jan every year like the flu jab easy to organise for the over 60's anyway

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We don't fully understand the potential immunity, if any, that we can build after this infection yet. As the vaccines have not completed final stage 3 trials yet, we don't know what, if any immune protection that they give us. It's still too early in our learning about this so far.

The body's protective mechanisms are complex, working against all manner of different types of attacks. Some immunity can seem to persist for life, though as we age, our immune systems can start to become less effective, possibly not establishing as full and ensuring capability to something new, even if gained from a vaccination, compared to when we were younger.

Some immunity seems less enduring, hence why it's recommended that we get booster shots, such as for tetanus. Likewise, some vaccination trials will show that our most effective results will come from more than 1 vaccination shot, such as with Hepatitis B.

It will always be the case that we have to experiment with the doses and timeframes, when we create a new treatment. We can hope that at least 1 of the covid-19 vaccines will create an effective and sustained immunity after 1 shot, for quicker building up of stronger community protection.

We can also manufacture the production of antibodies, so that they can be given to people as a treatment. A ready-made immune response that can start to attack the targeted infection as soon as the treatment enters our body.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

If everyone has the vaccine in a short space of time won't the virus just die out within a very short time especially with social distancing, masks etc? I know not everyone will get vaccinated but 70% for the herd immunity.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"If everyone has the vaccine in a short space of time won't the virus just die out within a very short time especially with social distancing, masks etc? I know not everyone will get vaccinated but 70% for the herd immunity."

If the vaccine was 100% effective, then it would be eradicatied, as it needs a human host to replicate itself. Vaccines don't typically give that, so there'd be a small pool of people that it could hit and be transferred between. It gets much harder for this to happen, like hunting for a needle in a haystack, during the infectious period m.

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By *xelf787Man
over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester


"I always wonder why cats need an injection every year but a human yellow fever inoculation lasts for ever. "

Yellow fever lasts for 10 years

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By *xelf787Man
over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester

Yes it is confusing Once you have had a virus you are immune because you build up antibodies. So once you have had measles or chickenpox for example you can't get it again. So I can't understand why they are saying you can get COVID-19 again? Unless they mean you get still get another of the coronoviruses!

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


" a human yellow fever inoculation lasts for ever.

*

Yellow fever lasts for 10 years"

Guidelines now say it is lifelong

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By *xelf787Man
over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester


" a human yellow fever inoculation lasts for ever.

*

Yellow fever lasts for 10 years

Guidelines now say it is lifelong"

Thanks just looked it up they changed the guidelines

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes it is confusing Once you have had a virus you are immune because you build up antibodies. So once you have had measles or chickenpox for example you can't get it again. So I can't understand why they are saying you can get COVID-19 again? Unless they mean you get still get another of the coronoviruses!"

"Some" scientists are saying you "may" be able to cintract it a second time but as with much if this it is speculation. There are no (as far as I've searched for) examples of anyone getting it twice. (Yet?)

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By *xelf787Man
over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester

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By *xelf787Man
over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester


"Yes it is confusing Once you have had a virus you are immune because you build up antibodies. So once you have had measles or chickenpox for example you can't get it again. So I can't understand why they are saying you can get COVID-19 again? Unless they mean you get still get another of the coronoviruses!

"Some" scientists are saying you "may" be able to cintract it a second time but as with much if this it is speculation. There are no (as far as I've searched for) examples of anyone getting it twice. (Yet?)"

Yes it all theoretical currently

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

They are saying the immunity may only last three months because it has only been around 3 months, next month they'll be be saying it may only last 4 months. Next year they'll be saying it may only last a year.

They don't want people who have had it realising that that none of the restrictions need apply to them.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"They are saying the immunity may only last three months because it has only been around 3 months, next month they'll be be saying it may only last 4 months. Next year they'll be saying it may only last a year.

They don't want people who have had it realising that that none of the restrictions need apply to them."

Of course it could be something as simple as they just don't know...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If im honest this whole debacle is a farse and in my uneducated and himbled opinion it is alot of smoke and mirrors.

The flu virus kills thousands every year with a yearly vaccine but never have we ever been instructed to maintain social distance... there are far too many fishy stats ive been reading.

I'll not go into them on this site as its not the right place but i did want to put my 2p worth in

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"They are saying the immunity may only last three months because it has only been around 3 months, next month they'll be be saying it may only last 4 months. Next year they'll be saying it may only last a year.

They don't want people who have had it realising that that none of the restrictions need apply to them."

Incorrect. They are seeing a drop off in covid antibodies in pretty much everyone after 3 months. From what has been seen in other coronaviruses immunity after infection is very short lived, weeks and months. What they have seen in macaques is that these monkeys don't get ill twice if reinfected with covid but they do get infected and can pass on the virus to others.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"If im honest this whole debacle is a farse and in my uneducated and himbled opinion it is alot of smoke and mirrors.

The flu virus kills thousands every year with a yearly vaccine but never have we ever been instructed to maintain social distance... there are far too many fishy stats ive been reading.

I'll not go into them on this site as its not the right place but i did want to put my 2p worth in "

In uk in about 3 months covid has killed about 3 times the number of people flu typically kills in a whole year all with social distancing and lockdowns in place. If we did this with flu, deaths would be a lot lower.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge


"They are saying the immunity may only last three months because it has only been around 3 months, next month they'll be be saying it may only last 4 months. Next year they'll be saying it may only last a year.

They don't want people who have had it realising that that none of the restrictions need apply to them.

Incorrect. They are seeing a drop off in covid antibodies in pretty much everyone after 3 months. From what has been seen in other coronaviruses immunity after infection is very short lived, weeks and months. What they have seen in macaques is that these monkeys don't get ill twice if reinfected with covid but they do get infected and can pass on the virus to others."

They may see a drop off in antibodies but people don't get re-infected. They look again and then say T cells protect you.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"They are saying the immunity may only last three months because it has only been around 3 months, next month they'll be be saying it may only last 4 months. Next year they'll be saying it may only last a year.

They don't want people who have had it realising that that none of the restrictions need apply to them.

Incorrect. They are seeing a drop off in covid antibodies in pretty much everyone after 3 months. From what has been seen in other coronaviruses immunity after infection is very short lived, weeks and months. What they have seen in macaques is that these monkeys don't get ill twice if reinfected with covid but they do get infected and can pass on the virus to others.

They may see a drop off in antibodies but people don't get re-infected. They look again and then say T cells protect you."

The t cell level drops pretty much back to normal after 2 weeks. Antibodies are generally longer lasting protection. The studies showed that they could get reinfected admitted by injection into the blood stream. The good news of sorts is they didn't get really ill but they were once again infectious to others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If im honest this whole debacle is a farse and in my uneducated and himbled opinion it is alot of smoke and mirrors.

The flu virus kills thousands every year with a yearly vaccine but never have we ever been instructed to maintain social distance... there are far too many fishy stats ive been reading.

I'll not go into them on this site as its not the right place but i did want to put my 2p worth in

In uk in about 3 months covid has killed about 3 times the number of people flu typically kills in a whole year all with social distancing and lockdowns in place. If we did this with flu, deaths would be a lot lower."

If you check the number of flu related deaths the number has decreased by an alarming rate. And there have been a large number of death accredited to covid when it wasnt the cause. Case and point a friends brother died after a car crash and on the death certificate it stated that it was a covid related death... im sorry but nowhere have the guidlines said anything about danger of death by motor vehicle.

As a law abiding citizen i obviously adhere to the governments GUIDLINES. That is all they are is guidlines... if it was as serious as it is said to be then laws would be passed and not governmental guidlines

But again these are my opions based on the facts available to me

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"If im honest this whole debacle is a farse and in my uneducated and himbled opinion it is alot of smoke and mirrors.

The flu virus kills thousands every year with a yearly vaccine but never have we ever been instructed to maintain social distance... there are far too many fishy stats ive been reading.

I'll not go into them on this site as its not the right place but i did want to put my 2p worth in

In uk in about 3 months covid has killed about 3 times the number of people flu typically kills in a whole year all with social distancing and lockdowns in place. If we did this with flu, deaths would be a lot lower.

If you check the number of flu related deaths the number has decreased by an alarming rate. And there have been a large number of death accredited to covid when it wasnt the cause. Case and point a friends brother died after a car crash and on the death certificate it stated that it was a covid related death... im sorry but nowhere have the guidlines said anything about danger of death by motor vehicle.

As a law abiding citizen i obviously adhere to the governments GUIDLINES. That is all they are is guidlines... if it was as serious as it is said to be then laws would be passed and not governmental guidlines

But again these are my opions based on the facts available to me"

Do you not think the flu rate has gone down because people are socially distancing? Flu death rate in the uk vary between 1500 and 26000 a year. Average is around 16000. We have had 60000+ excess deaths in 3 months they have to come from somewhere and it has to be something new, especially when you consider road deaths and indistrial accidents are at record lows. The exact number of covid deaths won't be known for many years, examples will be excluded, extra ones from care homes may be added on. The final deaths will be decades in the end as people with covid damaged hearts lungs and kidneys will die prematurely in the decades to come. This will add thousands if not 10s of tgothousands to the final death toll.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"If im honest this whole debacle is a farse and in my uneducated and himbled opinion it is alot of smoke and mirrors.

The flu virus kills thousands every year with a yearly vaccine but never have we ever been instructed to maintain social distance... there are far too many fishy stats ive been reading.

I'll not go into them on this site as its not the right place but i did want to put my 2p worth in

In uk in about 3 months covid has killed about 3 times the number of people flu typically kills in a whole year all with social distancing and lockdowns in place. If we did this with flu, deaths would be a lot lower.

If you check the number of flu related deaths the number has decreased by an alarming rate. And there have been a large number of death accredited to covid when it wasnt the cause. Case and point a friends brother died after a car crash and on the death certificate it stated that it was a covid related death... im sorry but nowhere have the guidlines said anything about danger of death by motor vehicle.

As a law abiding citizen i obviously adhere to the governments GUIDLINES. That is all they are is guidlines... if it was as serious as it is said to be then laws would be passed and not governmental guidlines

But again these are my opions based on the facts available to me"

Your friend's brother's car crash death may have mentioned covid but not the main cause of death. We know the PHE's position on this and it needs to change (Scotland has a 28 day cut off) but seriously, how many people have had covid and then died afterwards of something completely unrelated like a car crash. I suspect very few of the 45k.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge


"They are saying the immunity may only last three months because it has only been around 3 months, next month they'll be be saying it may only last 4 months. Next year they'll be saying it may only last a year.

They don't want people who have had it realising that that none of the restrictions need apply to them.

Incorrect. They are seeing a drop off in covid antibodies in pretty much everyone after 3 months. From what has been seen in other coronaviruses immunity after infection is very short lived, weeks and months. What they have seen in macaques is that these monkeys don't get ill twice if reinfected with covid but they do get infected and can pass on the virus to others.

They may see a drop off in antibodies but people don't get re-infected. They look again and then say T cells protect you.

The t cell level drops pretty much back to normal after 2 weeks. Antibodies are generally longer lasting protection. The studies showed that they could get reinfected admitted by injection into the blood stream. The good news of sorts is they didn't get really ill but they were once again infectious to others."

I'm not sure which study you're looking at but the one I read shows they were not re-infected. There was a slight temperature rise and that was it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If im honest this whole debacle is a farse and in my uneducated and himbled opinion it is alot of smoke and mirrors.

The flu virus kills thousands every year with a yearly vaccine but never have we ever been instructed to maintain social distance... there are far too many fishy stats ive been reading.

I'll not go into them on this site as its not the right place but i did want to put my 2p worth in

In uk in about 3 months covid has killed about 3 times the number of people flu typically kills in a whole year all with social distancing and lockdowns in place. If we did this with flu, deaths would be a lot lower.

If you check the number of flu related deaths the number has decreased by an alarming rate. And there have been a large number of death accredited to covid when it wasnt the cause. Case and point a friends brother died after a car crash and on the death certificate it stated that it was a covid related death... im sorry but nowhere have the guidlines said anything about danger of death by motor vehicle.

As a law abiding citizen i obviously adhere to the governments GUIDLINES. That is all they are is guidlines... if it was as serious as it is said to be then laws would be passed and not governmental guidlines

But again these are my opions based on the facts available to me

Your friend's brother's car crash death may have mentioned covid but not the main cause of death. We know the PHE's position on this and it needs to change (Scotland has a 28 day cut off) but seriously, how many people have had covid and then died afterwards of something completely unrelated like a car crash. I suspect very few of the 45k."

If you did a little research you wojld find the an estimated 290.000 -650.000 RESPERATORY deaths are attributed to the flu each year! Facts and the difference to covid is?... I'll wait

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'll die of worry first you nanners!

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights


"So if...

People who have had covid develop Antibodies but they can get it again. Tests show the antibodies diminish do reduce future protection.

And if...

Antibody tests warn even if you have antibodies you still need to take all the same precautions

Then why...

Will a vaccine that gets your body to generate antibodies actually be any benefit? Just quite how many times and how often will you be required to have a vaccine to continue to be protected against it?

Am I missing something because this doesn’t add up!

"

A vaccine is of use to vulnerable and elderly people so that they may have a milder form of the disease, same as the flu jab intentions. Trying to provoke a small reaction and antibodies, rather than a huge reaction and potentially a hospital stay

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"If im honest this whole debacle is a farse and in my uneducated and himbled opinion it is alot of smoke and mirrors.

The flu virus kills thousands every year with a yearly vaccine but never have we ever been instructed to maintain social distance... there are far too many fishy stats ive been reading.

I'll not go into them on this site as its not the right place but i did want to put my 2p worth in

In uk in about 3 months covid has killed about 3 times the number of people flu typically kills in a whole year all with social distancing and lockdowns in place. If we did this with flu, deaths would be a lot lower.

If you check the number of flu related deaths the number has decreased by an alarming rate. And there have been a large number of death accredited to covid when it wasnt the cause. Case and point a friends brother died after a car crash and on the death certificate it stated that it was a covid related death... im sorry but nowhere have the guidlines said anything about danger of death by motor vehicle.

As a law abiding citizen i obviously adhere to the governments GUIDLINES. That is all they are is guidlines... if it was as serious as it is said to be then laws would be passed and not governmental guidlines

But again these are my opions based on the facts available to me

Your friend's brother's car crash death may have mentioned covid but not the main cause of death. We know the PHE's position on this and it needs to change (Scotland has a 28 day cut off) but seriously, how many people have had covid and then died afterwards of something completely unrelated like a car crash. I suspect very few of the 45k.

If you did a little research you wojld find the an estimated 290.000 -650.000 RESPERATORY deaths are attributed to the flu each year! Facts and the difference to covid is?... I'll wait"

The difference is covid has killed 650000 in 3 to 4 months all with lockdowns in place. It is likely to at least as many again before the year is out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Informed! I don't know the real agenda as i havent researched enough for that i do however know the facts we are being given aren't correct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But how many of those numbers are true covid related deaths i have friends who work in the nhs system and they are confirming that deaths are being atributed to covid 19 with no real evidence! And that is fact. There are always 3 sides to everything. What we are told, what evidence there is available to us and then there's the truth

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"But how many of those numbers are true covid related deaths i have friends who work in the nhs system and they are confirming that deaths are being atributed to covid 19 with no real evidence! And that is fact. There are always 3 sides to everything. What we are told, what evidence there is available to us and then there's the truth "

Nobody is actually recorded as having "Died From Covid" they die from pneumonia or organ failure or one of the other chronic symptoms.

There are some very telling statistics available from the Office of National Statistics, these show a sudden very large rise in the total number of deaths (from any cause) compared to the 5 year average for the same week. This increase of deaths indicates the ACTUAL deaths are almost 50% more than official figures.

Thankfully, the death rate has fallen back to average levels again.

Xal

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

The big factor with a vaccine is not necessarily providing a long term immunity. If you vaccinated the entire population, and they were immune for three months, the virus would not be able to spread and would dissappear.

Cal

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland


"If im honest this whole debacle is a farse and in my uneducated and himbled opinion it is alot of smoke and mirrors.

The flu virus kills thousands every year with a yearly vaccine but never have we ever been instructed to maintain social distance... there are far too many fishy stats ive been reading.

I'll not go into them on this site as its not the right place but i did want to put my 2p worth in

In uk in about 3 months covid has killed about 3 times the number of people flu typically kills in a whole year all with social distancing and lockdowns in place. If we did this with flu, deaths would be a lot lower.

If you check the number of flu related deaths the number has decreased by an alarming rate. And there have been a large number of death accredited to covid when it wasnt the cause. Case and point a friends brother died after a car crash and on the death certificate it stated that it was a covid related death... im sorry but nowhere have the guidlines said anything about danger of death by motor vehicle.

As a law abiding citizen i obviously adhere to the governments GUIDLINES. That is all they are is guidlines... if it was as serious as it is said to be then laws would be passed and not governmental guidlines

But again these are my opions based on the facts available to me

Your friend's brother's car crash death may have mentioned covid but not the main cause of death. We know the PHE's position on this and it needs to change (Scotland has a 28 day cut off) but seriously, how many people have had covid and then died afterwards of something completely unrelated like a car crash. I suspect very few of the 45k.

If you did a little research you wojld find the an estimated 290.000 -650.000 RESPERATORY deaths are attributed to the flu each year! Facts and the difference to covid is?... I'll wait"

my comment was about reporting covid deaths. Why do you respond about doing a little research on flu deaths??? Bizarre. Almost as bizarre as sending me a PM telling me to "wake up".

Ignoring all, that what EXACTLY are you trying to say? I think you got your "fact" from a FullFacts article written on the 11th March.

We are now at 650,000 deaths after 5 months and that's with a global lockdown. If you look at sweden where there has been no lockdown they've had 5,500 deaths and 10x the death rate of Finland and Norway. 1 in 700 people in the world live in Sweden so, if Sweden's experience has been the same globally then that would have resulted in 3,500,000 deaths so far.

So, there's a little research for you...

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"If im honest this whole debacle is a farse and in my uneducated and himbled opinion it is alot of smoke and mirrors.

The flu virus kills thousands every year with a yearly vaccine but never have we ever been instructed to maintain social distance... there are far too many fishy stats ive been reading.

I'll not go into them on this site as its not the right place but i did want to put my 2p worth in

In uk in about 3 months covid has killed about 3 times the number of people flu typically kills in a whole year all with social distancing and lockdowns in place. If we did this with flu, deaths would be a lot lower.

If you check the number of flu related deaths the number has decreased by an alarming rate. And there have been a large number of death accredited to covid when it wasnt the cause. Case and point a friends brother died after a car crash and on the death certificate it stated that it was a covid related death... im sorry but nowhere have the guidlines said anything about danger of death by motor vehicle.

As a law abiding citizen i obviously adhere to the governments GUIDLINES. That is all they are is guidlines... if it was as serious as it is said to be then laws would be passed and not governmental guidlines

But again these are my opions based on the facts available to me

Your friend's brother's car crash death may have mentioned covid but not the main cause of death. We know the PHE's position on this and it needs to change (Scotland has a 28 day cut off) but seriously, how many people have had covid and then died afterwards of something completely unrelated like a car crash. I suspect very few of the 45k.

If you did a little research you wojld find the an estimated 290.000 -650.000 RESPERATORY deaths are attributed to the flu each year! Facts and the difference to covid is?... I'll wait

my comment was about reporting covid deaths. Why do you respond about doing a little research on flu deaths??? Bizarre. Almost as bizarre as sending me a PM telling me to "wake up".

Ignoring all, that what EXACTLY are you trying to say? I think you got your "fact" from a FullFacts article written on the 11th March.

We are now at 650,000 deaths after 5 months and that's with a global lockdown. If you look at sweden where there has been no lockdown they've had 5,500 deaths and 10x the death rate of Finland and Norway. 1 in 700 people in the world live in Sweden so, if Sweden's experience has been the same globally then that would have resulted in 3,500,000 deaths so far.

So, there's a little research for you..."

Nothing to beat fabstistics lol

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"But how many of those numbers are true covid related deaths i have friends who work in the nhs system and they are confirming that deaths are being atributed to covid 19 with no real evidence! And that is fact. There are always 3 sides to everything. What we are told, what evidence there is available to us and then there's the truth

Nobody is actually recorded as having "Died From Covid" they die from pneumonia or organ failure or one of the other chronic symptoms.

There are some very telling statistics available from the Office of National Statistics, these show a sudden very large rise in the total number of deaths (from any cause) compared to the 5 year average for the same week. This increase of deaths indicates the ACTUAL deaths are almost 50% more than official figures.

Thankfully, the death rate has fallen back to average levels again.

Xal"

I think there are lots of people taking the "I know a man who knows a man who has a friend in the NHS who told me..." route to establishing their narrative. Re the deaths... I don't know... I check the ons and gov Web sites...

The trouble with the conspiracy mongers is that they are casting aspersions on huge numbers of NHS staff who apparently either deliberate or accidently are misrepresenting information.

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