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"147 in England 'sick man of Europe' " Big jump on the number of infected too. Let's hope it's a one off... | |||
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"147 in England 'sick man of Europe' Big jump on the number of infected too. Let's hope it's a one off... " There was bound to be an increase when - to a large extent - they re-started the economy. We all know we’re walking a tightrope between not letting the country go bankrupt whilst ‘saving’ as many lives as possible. I think most of us expected some level of increase - but I guess the government has to decide what level of increase is deemed acceptable! | |||
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"All down to the idiots protesting . Thank you guys for wave 2! " And nothing at all to do with the 100's of thousands that swarmed the beaches across the UK? | |||
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"All down to the idiots protesting . Thank you guys for wave 2! " Jesus, how is a one day rise a 2nd wave. People need to stop with the apocalyptic "2nd wave" nonsense. | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on" Probably as much as a crap job she did back in the day.....terrible leader in my opinion! | |||
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"I haven't been keeping up with the stats. Anyone know if the infection rate is still under 1 for the majority of the country? " https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk Got the answer myself  .
Only the Southwest has the upper range over 1, at 1.1. Many areas have an upper range of 1.0.
So looking at those numbers (updated 10th July), no need to start on about the second wave yet. | |||
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"One days results mean nothing just as yesterdays result means nothing you have to look at trends,they vary all over the country. Funny nobody started a thread about yesterdays good result only focus on the bad one,so negative all the time most of you lot" The rolling averages were a trend worth following. | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on Probably as much as a crap job she did back in the day.....terrible leader in my opinion! " . I am not a fan of hers not sure she would have done anything different to Boris except maybe gone into lockdown earlier | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on Probably as much as a crap job she did back in the day.....terrible leader in my opinion! " I’ve noticed that opinion on Maggie differs considerably in the north and south. Possibly because most mines etc were in the north - and she treated the miners - and those who supported them - atrociously. She turned the north south divide into a huge canyon!  | |||
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"All down to the idiots protesting . Thank you guys for wave 2! And nothing at all to do with the 100's of thousands that swarmed the beaches across the UK?" Probably not, no | |||
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"One days results mean nothing just as yesterdays result means nothing you have to look at trends,they vary all over the country. Funny nobody started a thread about yesterdays good result only focus on the bad one,so negative all the time most of you lot" Exactly!!!! | |||
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"So cases are 7 to 8 times higher per head in England than Scotland per head of population. England had 40 plus deaths then and Scotland again had zero. Knock yourself out on that. Is that good news? They're needless deaths. " Population density plays a part in that. | |||
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"The amount of cars coming into Wales today scaring me sh*less! "You should be worried about cars not coming. | |||
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"How many died of Corona rather than 'with'?" You mean the difference between "died because they chugged too much of the stuff down" and "actually died of the burrito but the bottle was in their hand"? | |||
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"So cases are 7 to 8 times higher per head in England than Scotland per head of population. England had 40 plus deaths then and Scotland again had zero. Knock yourself out on that. Is that good news? They're needless deaths. " Dont compare Scotland to England....compare Scotland to SW England....similar population , density and also disance from london...guess what SW has half as many deaths! Explain that. | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on" Probably have built a wall from the Severn Estuary to the Wash with border guards on top- then thrown all the money at saving London. | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on" She would have made mask wearing compulsory and placed a 100% Covid tax on them plus a covid risk tax applied to all households. | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on" Yep she certainly solved those manufacturing and employment issues. | |||
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"The amount of cars coming into Wales today scaring me sh*less! "Half of liverpool heads over to Wales as soon as the sun comes out. | |||
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"How many died of Corona rather than 'with'?" Why is that significant? My dad died of pneumonia... Like many terminally ill people...death cert says cause of death pneumonia. But it was his 5 year battle with cancer that put him there... End of the day he's still dead and not sure quibbling over whether cancer contributed or caused his early death does a lot of good. Similarly with Covid. Unless I am missing something. The public gets what the public wants and if the public keep needlessly spreading it.. We will reap what we sow later down the line. | |||
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"The amount of cars coming into Wales today scaring me sh*less! "You best get use to it, if people are not holidaying abroad they will in this country. I have never seen so many people where we sail in the lakes as this weekend and it’s because all the accommodation is now open so everyone’s getting their holidays in while they can. | |||
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"It’s still ridiculous and working on front line still treating people with virus. Worse is when you get idiots messaging you criticising status that not meeting yet due to virus and they message saying how long you going keep hiding away? Don’t you know people been meeting for months and social distancing was over 2 months ago? Your an idiot for not having meets? Look if people wana mess around and get sick fine but my parents already had it and my mum was really sick with it so am not risking mine or there lives for a bit of fun. People need to wake up and realise it’s still serious, I feel people just given up cos shops and pubs open again and just don’t care. " I think you're right, people have given up to a degree. I drove past a park in town today. It was heaving, no on street parking, massive queue at the ice cream van and a fucking bouncy castle! It's like it's all over but I think I missed the update  | |||
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"How many died of Corona rather than 'with'? Why is that significant? My dad died of pneumonia... Like many terminally ill people...death cert says cause of death pneumonia. But it was his 5 year battle with cancer that put him there... End of the day he's still dead and not sure quibbling over whether cancer contributed or caused his early death does a lot of good. Similarly with Covid. Unless I am missing something. The public gets what the public wants and if the public keep needlessly spreading it.. We will reap what we sow later down the line. " I think is significant, my father passed away in his 50’s with Alzheimer’s and at the time they didn’t want to put that on the death certificate, to me it was the dementia that killed him, that’s what stripped him of his life not some last minute illness that took him a little bit sooner than expected. Unfortunately covid appears to be on a mission for taking those that are already suffering life threatening illnesses at an alarming rate. | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on" Most probably no Furlough scheme which would result in civil unrest and she would instigate Marshall Law, curfews etc. Troops on the street and a bloody civil war would ensue. The government are not giving us furlough wages out of the good of their hearts, it's a strategic strategy to stop the masses revolting. | |||
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"How many died of Corona rather than 'with'?" Yes I wonder the same, there have been cases where they have been written of as covid whilst it was something different that caused it. | |||
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"I love when say not meeting till able answer people send arsey messages to you about being scared etc and stuff. Nothing to do with being scared just not risking my health at present esp with what see as front liner. Makes me laugh esp when you say the argument you say safe sex why? Cos visus and infections but they don’t understand it’s choice" We get it, you work on the front line.  | |||
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"147 in England 'sick man of Europe' " Belgium has a higher death rate. | |||
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"I love when say not meeting till able answer people send arsey messages to you about being scared etc and stuff. Nothing to do with being scared just not risking my health at present esp with what see as front liner. Makes me laugh esp when you say the argument you say safe sex why? Cos visus and infections but they don’t understand it’s choice We get it, you work on the front line. "It’s nothing to do with that but shocks me people giving grief cos I choose not to meet | |||
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"I love when say not meeting till able answer people send arsey messages to you about being scared etc and stuff. Nothing to do with being scared just not risking my health at present esp with what see as front liner. Makes me laugh esp when you say the argument you say safe sex why? Cos visus and infections but they don’t understand it’s choice We get it, you work on the front line.
It’s nothing to do with that but shocks me people giving grief cos I choose not to meet"In that case I'd lose the status update as it will just draw them in | |||
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"So cases are 7 to 8 times higher per head in England than Scotland per head of population. England had 40 plus deaths then and Scotland again had zero. Knock yourself out on that. Is that good news? They're needless deaths. " Every death is needless. Suggest you put back all the stone you nicked off Hadrians wall back. | |||
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"One days results mean nothing just as yesterdays result means nothing you have to look at trends,they vary all over the country. Funny nobody started a thread about yesterdays good result only focus on the bad one,so negative all the time most of you lot" Coz people are scared | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on" Probably just shit on the working class ????? | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. " You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on" With any luck she would have caught COVID-19 and coughed herself to death on a live televised corona update. | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on With any luck she would have caught COVID-19 and coughed herself to death on a live televised corona update. " Class | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on With any luck she would have caught COVID-19 and coughed herself to death on a live televised corona update. " Wishing someone a horrible and painful death? Classy.  | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. " Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes." It's getting tedious now to be honest. It's why I tend not to comment here as much. | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. It's getting tedious now to be honest. It's why I tend not to comment here as much. " I hear you...... | |||
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"How many died of Corona rather than 'with'? Why is that significant? My dad died of pneumonia... Like many terminally ill people...death cert says cause of death pneumonia. But it was his 5 year battle with cancer that put him there... End of the day he's still dead and not sure quibbling over whether cancer contributed or caused his early death does a lot of good. Similarly with Covid. Unless I am missing something. The public gets what the public wants and if the public keep needlessly spreading it.. We will reap what we sow later down the line. " Fella you need to log off now. You're far too sensible for this site. | |||
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"I remember watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher when she came into power in 1979 and how infuriated she was that the UK was known as the sick man of Europe but that was because Britain wasn’t working or manufacturing products not because of Covid19 I wonder what she would have done if she was PM today with everything that is going on Most probably no Furlough scheme which would result in civil unrest and she would instigate Marshall Law, curfews etc. Troops on the street and a bloody civil war would ensue. The government are not giving us furlough wages out of the good of their hearts, it's a strategic strategy to stop the masses revolting. " Just want to make sure everyone understands... The government aren't "giving us their money" at all... The government are borrowing for us and giving us our own money... No free lunch. We will all be paying for this for a veryong time. | |||
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"147 in England 'sick man of Europe' Belgium has a higher death rate. " Yep.... We are only second worst after all.. Makes you proud to be British. | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes." Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? | |||
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"World beating.. He's having a laugh unfortunately it's not funny Sack pm cummings and his assistant boris" yes | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings?" Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... | |||
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"And so it begins,The other side of a nationwide lockdown for a virus with a 99.97 recovery rate. Not to mention suicides. Doctors are warning that patients are being neglected and their illnesses worsening after a "catastrophic" drop in surgeries and appointments due to the coronavirus pandemic" The death rate is 3.4% globally so while 96.6% will likely survive. 3.4% of 10s if not 100s of millions would mean a lot of people dying. Also mass outbreaks put huge pressure on a already overstretched Health Service. Resulting in lots of needless deaths. Plus it would be even worse for people waiting for operations and treatments, the backlog is awful a second wave/peak would make that stretch into 2022. It's put a huge strain on people no one likes being locked down but the alternative is putting people at the mercy of a virus that has no cure or vaccine. I know all too well about suicides, a close friend of my brother's killed themselves because of the situation. We're all going to need support in some way or form even after this is over. Even those of us who say they are alright might not be and are just putting on a understandable brave face. | |||
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"And so it begins,The other side of a nationwide lockdown for a virus with a 99.97 recovery rate. Not to mention suicides. Doctors are warning that patients are being neglected and their illnesses worsening after a "catastrophic" drop in surgeries and appointments due to the coronavirus pandemic" .03% doesn't sound much of a problem does it? Given that there are roughly 7.8 billion people on the planet, the .07% who could potentially die is over 11 million people. As long as you're ok with that.... 
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"And so it begins,The other side of a nationwide lockdown for a virus with a 99.97 recovery rate. Not to mention suicides. Doctors are warning that patients are being neglected and their illnesses worsening after a "catastrophic" drop in surgeries and appointments due to the coronavirus pandemic .03% doesn't sound much of a problem does it? Given that there are roughly 7.8 billion people on the planet, the .07% who could potentially die is over 11 million people. As long as you're ok with that....
"Thats the way it is unfortunately. The reality is unless you live in the same postcode as someone that has died of covid the chances are your not going to care about someone that has died thousands of miles away on a different continant. It's harsh cruel world. | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... " I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. " Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......? | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......? "The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc. So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head. And like I said earlier .I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries. And that stopped for reason. | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
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And that stopped for reason."Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
Been saying for ages when it's all over we need a proper independent enquiry.
Whether we will get one is a different matter."Agreed, and lessons learnt. After is the right time, not during when the information and situation has been changing daily. | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
Try them stats to us v Vietnam who had no deaths
Because Vietnam is exactly the same as the UK I presume?
"Populus per square km....they are more dense then us. We can all look at stats to suit us but at the end of the day your partially correct on the politics...but I think boris is the worst Tory to run this country at this time. | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
Try them stats to us v Vietnam who had no deaths
Because Vietnam is exactly the same as the UK I presume?
Populus per square km....they are more dense then us. We can all look at stats to suit us but at the end of the day your partially correct on the politics...but I think boris is the worst Tory to run this country at this time."I think he's the only Tory to run this country at this time.
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
The UK doesnt have the highest population density in Europe.".......... I thinks they have been packing them in like sardines in the Leiceter sweatshops and pretty obviously other places around the country. Good old Keith Vaz ahh what a fine job he did running leiceter.  | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
The UK doesnt have the highest population density in Europe."this use of density to justify our death issues is bollocks to me. ok most densely populated per km countries in the world? How many covid deaths does Singapore have? It not much to do with the population density, it's people's attitude of how to control the virus is the issue. Don't get me started about the way our government handled covid  | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
The UK doesnt have the highest population density in Europe."Where have I said it does?
Setting aside smaller countries like Monaco and Luxemburg, the Netherlands has the highest, the UK is next.
Although the numbers can be skewed by Spain, which has a smaller population, larger land mass, but the population is more concentrated in its larger cities.
Population/km2 it's the Netherlands.
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes." I disagree. 70% of the population of Scotland lives in the central belt. Far more areas are uninhabited or very lowly inhabited than England so that must be factored in. 3.5m people living in 10,000km2 is 350 per KM2. The population density of England is 259 per KM2. A quick look online shows 83% of UK lives in urban areas compared to 86% of Australia. So, once you factor out the mass areas of uninhibited Australia, population density may be comparable. You certainly aren't comparing 5 per KM2 to 259 per KM2 which on the face of it would be ridiculous. Also, Canada, New zealand and Iceland have similar numbers in urban areas And how about this? "In 2019, 93.86 percent of Iceland's total population lived in urban areas and cities. Iceland is currently 94 percent urban, making it the eighth most urban country in the world." perhaps not as much as a numskull as you thought? | |||
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To let us go further than 5 miles, people to come to Wales, open the pubs and shops all at once is un-nerving. Hey ho I suppose it will kill or cure it! | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. I disagree. 70% of the population of Scotland lives in the central belt. Far more areas are uninhabited or very lowly inhabited than England so that must be factored in. 3.5m people living in 10,000km2 is 350 per KM2. The population density of England is 259 per KM2. A quick look online shows 83% of UK lives in urban areas compared to 86% of Australia. So, once you factor out the mass areas of uninhibited Australia, population density may be comparable. You certainly aren't comparing 5 per KM2 to 259 per KM2 which on the face of it would be ridiculous. Also, Canada, New zealand and Iceland have similar numbers in urban areas And how about this? "In 2019, 93.86 percent of Iceland's total population lived in urban areas and cities. Iceland is currently 94 percent urban, making it the eighth most urban country in the world." perhaps not as much as a numskull as you thought? " All youre doing is skewering the way the figures can be read to try and make a point. It's either or. You take population by land mass, or by population and localisation. I've quoted the way it's most commonly recorded and recognised. Most urban isn't the same as most densely populated in the way the figures are most commonly recorded. | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
The UK doesnt have the highest population density in Europe.
Where have I said it does?
Setting aside smaller countries like Monaco and Luxemburg, the Netherlands has the highest, the UK is next.
Although the numbers can be skewed by Spain, which has a smaller population, larger land mass, but the population is more concentrated in its larger cities.
Population/km2 it's the Netherlands.
"You quite clearly said in your last sentence that you think we have the highest population density in Europe. Self evidently, we do not. | |||
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"I love when say not meeting till able answer people send arsey messages to you about being scared etc and stuff. Nothing to do with being scared just not risking my health at present esp with what see as front liner. Makes me laugh esp when you say the argument you say safe sex why? Cos visus and infections but they don’t understand it’s choice" Ok ok, we hear you. You get inundated with messages from folk besides themselves at not being able to meet you. We hear you, we now to your prowess and superiority | |||
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"In the last seven days the covid related deaths number Scotland. 2 England. Over 580 Someone listened to the science. Can't think who. You cannot compare the two, they are completely different in terms of population density etc. Yup. I saw a numskull comparing the UK with Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland the other day. Eye roller there...... The things some people will say to try and score a political point beggars belief sometimes. Didn't the gmnt used to compare us to other countries in the daily briefings? Possibly. Although I very much doubt they were using the figures for cheap political point scoring. Which of course was my point. If you're going to make comparisons to try and make someone look bad, at least have the good sense to compare eggs with eggs..... I'm.fairly sure they did. But the point of which escapes me apart from..well we are doing better than so and so. I suppose each country has their own particular demographic. Each country has it's own advisors, their own way of handling that advice, dealing with it's own challenges and resources and of course it's own population density. All these things impact on the numbers. As does the density of the populace...... No one will ever be able to compare eggs with eggs one a country by country basis. That's why saying xyz is doing better/worse than us is a false holding. Belgiums death rate from Covid is roughly 25% higher than ours. The USA has roughly 25% of the world's death rate. Ours is 4 times higher than Russia. None of these country V country comparisons carry much weight, they're all so very different geographically, politically and socially. As we know statistica can tell us what we want to read, confirmation bias is a thing. Who knew......?
The thing is..several weeks ago plenty of people on here were arguing that...at least we are not as bad as Italy etc.
So we can't really complain when the argument is made redundant and turned on its head.
And like I said earlier
.I think in the daily briefings we did used to compare ourselves with other countries.
And that stopped for reason.
Yup, I saw the arguments. Ignored them.
We can speculate why the comparison stats were dropped. One person will say because it showed the UK in a poor light, another will say it was realised country V country stats were irrelevant and misleading.
I suspect which perspective people will hold will depend on their political leaning.
On the face of it our numbers are shocking by comparison.
But.... when you compare the population density it makes the numbers more logical to understand.
Canada 4 people per square km
New Zealand 18 people per square km
America 36 people per square km
Greenland .026 people people per square km
UK 259 people people per square km
I think we have the highest population density in Europe. Strange coincidence how that aligns with the highest casualty rate.
The UK doesnt have the highest population density in Europe.
Where have I said it does?
Setting aside smaller countries like Monaco and Luxemburg, the Netherlands has the highest, the UK is next.
Although the numbers can be skewed by Spain, which has a smaller population, larger land mass, but the population is more concentrated in its larger cities.
Population/km2 it's the Netherlands.
You quite clearly said in your last sentence that you think we have the highest population density in Europe. Self evidently, we do not. "Well done. I did say "I think" as in "I believe" You'll also notice, as you're so keen to dissect my post, that I later said the Netherlands does. | |||
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"God are we still all arguing about this? Some days there are more deaths disclosed than others. Some days we breathe a small sigh of relief - others we realise there’s still plenty to do. Now I’m not a Boris fan - I was a remainer (still am) and thought he behaved abominably at that time and should never have been prime minister. However - although it’s now glaringly obvious we should have gone into lockdown sooner - at that time the facts and statistics weren’t there in abundance to show this. He reacted to the advice he was given from experts in their field. The whole world was flying blind - particularly countries who reported the first cases. Though I’m not a fan - I don’t believe for a minute that every decision he and the cabinet have made haven’t, in their opinion, been in the best interest of the country. Yep - with hindsight I’m sure he’d lockdown earlier etc etc - but I wouldn’t want his job right now - would you? " Watched him on telly the other day. He looks exhausted..... I wouldn't want his job for the tea in China. And yup, you're spot on. Well put. | |||
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"God are we still all arguing about this? Some days there are more deaths disclosed than others. Some days we breathe a small sigh of relief - others we realise there’s still plenty to do. Now I’m not a Boris fan - I was a remainer (still am) and thought he behaved abominably at that time and should never have been prime minister. However - although it’s now glaringly obvious we should have gone into lockdown sooner - at that time the facts and statistics weren’t there in abundance to show this. He reacted to the advice he was given from experts in their field. The whole world was flying blind - particularly countries who reported the first cases. Though I’m not a fan - I don’t believe for a minute that every decision he and the cabinet have made haven’t, in their opinion, been in the best interest of the country. Yep - with hindsight I’m sure he’d lockdown earlier etc etc - but I wouldn’t want his job right now - would you? " | |||
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