FabSwingers.com forum: death numbers vs unemployment

By *orkiecpl OP Couple
over a year ago

York

So this is going to annoy some and others may agree, without the death of those in care homes or those of old age the numbers of deaths are less that 30,000 Currently.

Due to lockdown and the damage caused to the economy the number of ppl who have lost there jobs is very quickly approaching 100,000 and that figure will only rise, that is not to mention the number of businesses on the verge of bankruptcy, it appears the cure is worse than covid, the government should of put a very strict lockdown on all nursing homes and those in the at risk group and let the rest of us get on with life. Sweden never went into lockdown and they have a lower death toll and a non destroyed economy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Old people deserve to live too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally agree. This awful virus has wreaked havoc and its easy to agree with lockdown until its you losing your job and house.

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By *atelotmanMan
over a year ago

Chatham

I disagree,big time with your idea. The older people, have just the same rights as anyone else to free movement.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"So this is going to annoy some and others may agree, without the death of those in care homes or those of old age the numbers of deaths are less that 30,000 Currently.

Hindshights a wonderful thing... But when you put it that way... Hard to disagree. If we only had a time machine..

I think as well however, that we (generalisation) had become incredibly arrogant, mindless, selfish, in some cases lacking basic hygiene standards, coughing and sneezing without covering our mouth / nose, invading peoples personal space.. Treating patients with no concept of PPE... Not sanitizing hands... Sanitizer stations being empty.. And so on.. That this episode has reminded many of us, hopefully all of us, that we live in a shared resource and need to be a lot more mindful of our interactions with others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I disagree,big time with your idea. The older people, have just the same rights as anyone else to free movement."

So have the extremely vulnerable, but most of them were strictly on lockdown, so your point?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personally agree. This awful virus has wreaked havoc and its easy to agree with lockdown until its you losing your job and house."

It’s also easy to disagree with lockdown until members of your own family die

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

Whilst NHS workers on the frontline had PPE gear our equally hardworking frontline workers in care homes were given no thought at all about this important PPE stuff which as been topic of conversationsince day 1.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personally agree. This awful virus has wreaked havoc and its easy to agree with lockdown until its you losing your job and house.

It’s also easy to disagree with lockdown until members of your own family die "

Which is terrible. But the lockdown didn't work. And now hundreds of thousands of people are suffering the financial effects.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck."

Sorry - my previous post was in reply to this

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We're still in the early stages of this catastrophe and thus still learning. Doing nothing wouldn't have been appropriate, even though we were and to some extent remain, ignorant about it.

Thankfully we're not a really poor country. We certainly are poorer in significant ways, when people die.

To present a meaningful case for change, there would need to be a fully detailed like-for-like analysis of your proposal. This especially if you are proposing mass genocide.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck."

Only sweden out of the nordic countries didn't lock down hard. No nordic country, or even any country has gone for herd immunity. Sweden had the loosest lockdown so has had at least 5 times the death rate of any other nordic country. Its economy has been effected more than any other nordic country too. My arguement is that both for loss of life and economically we should have locked down harder and sooner. We would be back to more normal sooner if we had done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck."

They opted for herd immunity, and claimed they were close to achieving it (herd immunity requires between 50-90% of the population to be infected)

However, they got all of their figures wrong and back tracked to say they wished they locked down. At one point the the number of people they claimed had contracted the virus was bigger than the population of Sweden. It took a journalist to point that out and eventually they realised their calculations were wrong.

Only 7.3% of stockholm residents have had the virus - and that number is even lower in rural areas. They’re not even 10% of the way to achieving immunity.

In addition to that, Sweden recorded the most coronavirus deaths per capita in Europe in a seven day average between 25 May and 2 June.

I dont have the answers to the right or wrong way to deal with this, but i know for certain Sweden’s strategy failed to do what it set out to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A venue in Newcastle is selling tickets for socially distanced gigs in August.. Snooker promoter trying to get first sports crowd in on July 31st

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck."

You know privately owned and run care homes are responsible for providing their own PPE, it's not the responsibility of government?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

They opted for herd immunity, and claimed they were close to achieving it (herd immunity requires between 50-90% of the population to be infected)

Only 7.3% of stockholm residents have had the virus - and that number is even lower in rural areas. They’re not even 10% of the way to achieving immunity.

In addition to that, Sweden recorded the most coronavirus deaths per capita in Europe in a seven day average between 25 May and 2 June.

I dont have the answers to the right or wrong way to deal with this, but i know for certain Sweden’s strategy failed to do what it set out to."

Pretty much this. The rest of Scandi countries DID lock down and have much lower death rates than Sweden. Per capita Sweden are in the top few. The proportion of care home deaths are also much higher than most so their policy totally failed.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

You know privately owned and run care homes are responsible for providing their own PPE, it's not the responsibility of government?"

You do realise that if a massive organisation like the NHS were struggling to source PPE it was even harder for a care home.

It wasn't about getting 'free PPE' as some people seem to have convinced themselves, it was about finding PPE to buy when the NHS was gobbling it all up and still had a shortfall.

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By *oweyguy100Man
over a year ago

Traverling EA.Lowestoft.yarmouth

Most of the care homes in my area are private run...so the fat cats that run theses should be providing PPE not the government....at 500 quid a week they have the resource

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol."

Money is immaterial in this case.

There was a massive PPE shortage - which we repeatedly saw with NHS workers having to improvise and groups of people making stuff at home.

Money isn't going to buy what isn't there...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

They opted for herd immunity, and claimed they were close to achieving it (herd immunity requires between 50-90% of the population to be infected)

Only 7.3% of stockholm residents have had the virus - and that number is even lower in rural areas. They’re not even 10% of the way to achieving immunity.

In addition to that, Sweden recorded the most coronavirus deaths per capita in Europe in a seven day average between 25 May and 2 June.

I dont have the answers to the right or wrong way to deal with this, but i know for certain Sweden’s strategy failed to do what it set out to.

The right way is generally Hong Kong or South Korea. Their economies did not really stop working. Yes weaker, but not a cliff edge.

Everyone wears masks. They practice good hygiene. They are responsible. They have effective track and trace. They are not arrogant and selfish.

Of course, Asia has had other major outbreaks in previous years so their people are used to it and their governments are prepared.

In the west, we haven't had anything on this scale for years so we were not prepared. We are also far more liberal and believe in selfishness in general. Ultimately that is why death rates in the west are far worse.

Hopefully we will have learned our lessons and be better prepared for more of them. As an over populated planet there will be more of them.

Of course, I doubt we will learn. You only have to see Bournemouth pictures to realise selfishness tops all other traits in the UK.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol."

Despite what money care home owners have or don't have their workers health & rights are the responsibility of the UK government, hospitals sent 1000's of patients back to care homes without the proper tests not caring about the other people at the care homes or their families put at great risk.

The government wrote off a lot of NHS debts yet still bent over backwards to protect front line workers in hospital with PPE gear yet no help like this was given to the care home sector...why ?

Groups are already getting together to take legal action in regards to the government neglect of care homes & their staff, in some cases its criminal not just stupidity.

Only a small percentage of the NHS are working in risk area's unlike the majority of care workers with no PPE protection who have been forgotten yet still no adequate action as been taken to ensure care homes & staff safety.

Testing all elderly patients in hospital for Covid before returning them back to their care homes should be the number one objective now as too many people are losing their lives or put at unnecessary risk by the government.

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By *hrobberMan
over a year ago

North West

What price a death eh ?

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Groups are already getting together to take legal action in regards to the government neglect of care homes & their staff, in some cases its criminal not just stupidity.

Which is probably why the PM made that tentative pre-emptive strike against care homes earlier this week - a toe dip to get an indication of what resistance they were going to meet.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck."

A lot of care homes are privately owned and make a Lot of money. Govt are at fault for many things but providing ppe to private companies isn't one of them.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I personally agree. This awful virus has wreaked havoc and its easy to agree with lockdown until its you losing your job and house.

It’s also easy to disagree with lockdown until members of your own family die

Which is terrible. But the lockdown didn't work. And now hundreds of thousands of people are suffering the financial effects."

The lockdown did exactly what it was intended to do, stop the NHS being overwhelmed. It was never implemented to stop all deaths. That was impossible as soon as covid was in the country.

In regards to care homes and PPE, private care homes take thousands of pounds from residents every week and are responsible for their own PPE. Blame the management and owners of those care homes for that issue.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol.

The government wrote off a lot of NHS debts yet still bent over backwards to protect front line workers in hospital with PPE gear yet no help like this was given to the care home sector...why ?

Groups are already getting together to take legal action in regards to the government neglect of care homes & their staff, in some cases its criminal not just stupidity.

The doctors aren't testing them when they leave, they haven't been ordered not to test people, they just aren't. That is down to them. Not everything can be thrown at the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personally agree. This awful virus has wreaked havoc and its easy to agree with lockdown until its you losing your job and house.

It’s also easy to disagree with lockdown until members of your own family die

Which is terrible. But the lockdown didn't work. And now hundreds of thousands of people are suffering the financial effects.

The lockdown did exactly what it was intended to do, stop the NHS being overwhelmed. It was never implemented to stop all deaths. That was impossible as soon as covid was in the country.

Isn't the NHS bow overwhelmed with the massive waiting lists.

Not to mention the strain on people's mental health.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol.

The government wrote off a lot of NHS debts yet still bent over backwards to protect front line workers in hospital with PPE gear yet no help like this was given to the care home sector...why ?

Groups are already getting together to take legal action in regards to the government neglect of care homes & their staff, in some cases its criminal not just stupidity.

The doctors aren't testing them when they leave, they haven't been ordered not to test people, they just aren't. That is down to them. Not everything can be thrown at the government. "

Also, the company is responsible for their workers, they are responsible for providing relevant protective equipment.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

A lot of care homes are privately owned and make a Lot of money. Govt are at fault for many things but providing ppe to private companies isn't one of them. "

Care homes are a mixture of public and private.

This myth the gmnt have no responsibilitiy whatsoever is nonsense.

There is fault on both sides but in their usual cack handed way the gmnt have pointed the finger at the care sector when they should have been working together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol.

The government wrote off a lot of NHS debts yet still bent over backwards to protect front line workers in hospital with PPE gear yet no help like this was given to the care home sector...why ?

Groups are already getting together to take legal action in regards to the government neglect of care homes & their staff, in some cases its criminal not just stupidity.

The doctors aren't testing them when they leave, they haven't been ordered not to test people, they just aren't. That is down to them. Not everything can be thrown at the government. "

They still aren’t testing them? Are you sure

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I personally agree. This awful virus has wreaked havoc and its easy to agree with lockdown until its you losing your job and house.

It’s also easy to disagree with lockdown until members of your own family die

Which is terrible. But the lockdown didn't work. And now hundreds of thousands of people are suffering the financial effects.

The lockdown did exactly what it was intended to do, stop the NHS being overwhelmed. It was never implemented to stop all deaths. That was impossible as soon as covid was in the country.

Isn't the NHS bow overwhelmed with the massive waiting lists.

Not to mention the strain on people's mental health."

There were waiting lists before covid, the lockdown was to prevent covid cases overwhelming the NHS, which it has done.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol.

The government wrote off a lot of NHS debts yet still bent over backwards to protect front line workers in hospital with PPE gear yet no help like this was given to the care home sector...why ?

Groups are already getting together to take legal action in regards to the government neglect of care homes & their staff, in some cases its criminal not just stupidity.

The doctors aren't testing them when they leave, they haven't been ordered not to test people, they just aren't. That is down to them. Not everything can be thrown at the government.

They still aren’t testing them? Are you sure "

I should have put that into past tense, apologies.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

A lot of care homes are privately owned and make a Lot of money. Govt are at fault for many things but providing ppe to private companies isn't one of them.

Care homes are a mixture of public and private.

This myth the gmnt have no responsibilitiy whatsoever is nonsense.

There is fault on both sides but in their usual cack handed way the gmnt have pointed the finger at the care sector when they should have been working together. "

Yes, some are public, those ones should have been provided for by the government, however, the private ones are responsible for themselves. He hasn't put the blame for everything on the care sector, just said that basically some didn't do what they needed to. Which is correct.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

A lot of care homes are privately owned and make a Lot of money. Govt are at fault for many things but providing ppe to private companies isn't one of them.

Care homes are a mixture of public and private.

This myth the gmnt have no responsibilitiy whatsoever is nonsense.

There is fault on both sides but in their usual cack handed way the gmnt have pointed the finger at the care sector when they should have been working together.

And caused a stupid finger pointing debate in the process.

People are saying we should wait till the crises is over before we ask questions.. well the PM certainly isn't.

And like I said yesterday.Lets see if he is open enough to accept any responsibilitiy on their part.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

The lock down was about stopping the NHS becoming swamped. The vulnerable will have to keep shielding while the country tries to get back to normal. If they can’t......?

The NHS will then deal with the next “shift” of infected hopefully with better therapies and treatment over Autumn winter

Sounds awfully callous but you can’t lockdown forever or rely on people to be wholly sensible.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol.

Money is immaterial in this case.

There was a massive PPE shortage - which we repeatedly saw with NHS workers having to improvise and groups of people making stuff at home.

Money isn't going to buy what isn't there..."

Sure but the point remains that it still is the responsibility of the organisation to do so. The same as it is to feed their residents. Some of them managed to do it...

If you want toilet roll and the supermarket has sold out

.. You don't blame the government... OK maybe some do..

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

A lot of care homes are privately owned and make a Lot of money. Govt are at fault for many things but providing ppe to private companies isn't one of them.

Care homes are a mixture of public and private.

This myth the gmnt have no responsibilitiy whatsoever is nonsense.

There is fault on both sides but in their usual cack handed way the gmnt have pointed the finger at the care sector when they should have been working together.

And caused a stupid finger pointing debate in the process.

People are saying we should wait till the crises is over before we ask questions.. well the PM certainly isn't.

And like I said yesterday.Lets see if he is open enough to accept any responsibilitiy on their part."

Fingers were already being pointed, why should he shoulder all the blame when others have also cocked up? I just think that not everything can be laid at the door of number 10. Yes, there have definitely been mistakes made by the government but blindly blaming everything on them is ridiculous.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol.

Money is immaterial in this case.

There was a massive PPE shortage - which we repeatedly saw with NHS workers having to improvise and groups of people making stuff at home.

Money isn't going to buy what isn't there...

Sure but the point remains that it still is the responsibility of the organisation to do so. The same as it is to feed their residents. Some of them managed to do it...

If you want toilet roll and the supermarket has sold out

.. You don't blame the government... OK maybe some do.. "
It’s obvs Dom Cummings fault

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol.

Money is immaterial in this case.

There was a massive PPE shortage - which we repeatedly saw with NHS workers having to improvise and groups of people making stuff at home.

Money isn't going to buy what isn't there...

Sure but the point remains that it still is the responsibility of the organisation to do so. The same as it is to feed their residents. Some of them managed to do it...

If you want toilet roll and the supermarket has sold out

.. You don't blame the government... OK maybe some do.. It’s obvs Dom Cummings fault

Oh, not that old chestnut!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"You mean the care sector outside of the NHS? Many care home owners are very rich - and couldn't be bothered to fund PPE themselves - it's always the government's fault isn't it lol.

Money is immaterial in this case.

There was a massive PPE shortage - which we repeatedly saw with NHS workers having to improvise and groups of people making stuff at home.

Money isn't going to buy what isn't there...

Sure but the point remains that it still is the responsibility of the organisation to do so. The same as it is to feed their residents. Some of them managed to do it...

If you want toilet roll and the supermarket has sold out

.. You don't blame the government... OK maybe some do.. It’s obvs Dom Cummings fault

Oh, not that old chestnut!"

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

A lot of care homes are privately owned and make a Lot of money. Govt are at fault for many things but providing ppe to private companies isn't one of them.

Care homes are a mixture of public and private.

This myth the gmnt have no responsibilitiy whatsoever is nonsense.

There is fault on both sides but in their usual cack handed way the gmnt have pointed the finger at the care sector when they should have been working together.

And caused a stupid finger pointing debate in the process.

People are saying we should wait till the crises is over before we ask questions.. well the PM certainly isn't.

And like I said yesterday.Lets see if he is open enough to accept any responsibilitiy on their part.

And he thinks the mature response is to point the finger back?Doesn't really say much does it?

In terms of social gatherings,social distance etc people should take their own responsibilitiy

However in terms of managing the crises ppe etc the gmnt do share the bulk of the responsibilitiy.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

A lot of care homes are privately owned and make a Lot of money. Govt are at fault for many things but providing ppe to private companies isn't one of them.

Care homes are a mixture of public and private.

This myth the gmnt have no responsibilitiy whatsoever is nonsense.

There is fault on both sides but in their usual cack handed way the gmnt have pointed the finger at the care sector when they should have been working together.

And caused a stupid finger pointing debate in the process.

People are saying we should wait till the crises is over before we ask questions.. well the PM certainly isn't.

And like I said yesterday.Lets see if he is open enough to accept any responsibilitiy on their part.

And he thinks the mature response is to point the finger back?Doesn't really say much does it?

In terms of social gatherings,social distance etc people should take their own responsibilitiy

However in terms of managing the crises ppe etc the gmnt do share the bulk of the responsibilitiy. "

It's pretty laughable that you don't like him pointing the finger but anyone can do it to him and it's fine.

The government are not responsible for PPE in private companies.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Sweden and some of the nordic countries opted for herd immunity and looked after the elderly & vulnerable, their system to the UK's fucked up system can't even be put into comparison.

It was a case of were alright Jack fuck the rest of you,

Now they have the cheek to blame the care homes and as usual pass the buck.

A lot of care homes are privately owned and make a Lot of money. Govt are at fault for many things but providing ppe to private companies isn't one of them.

Care homes are a mixture of public and private.

This myth the gmnt have no responsibilitiy whatsoever is nonsense.

There is fault on both sides but in their usual cack handed way the gmnt have pointed the finger at the care sector when they should have been working together.

And caused a stupid finger pointing debate in the process.

People are saying we should wait till the crises is over before we ask questions.. well the PM certainly isn't.

And like I said yesterday.Lets see if he is open enough to accept any responsibilitiy on their part.

And he thinks the mature response is to point the finger back?Doesn't really say much does it?

In terms of social gatherings,social distance etc people should take their own responsibilitiy

However in terms of managing the crises ppe etc the gmnt do share the bulk of the responsibilitiy.

It's pretty laughable that you don't like him pointing the finger but anyone can do it to him and it's fine.

The government are not responsible for PPE in private companies.

He is the prime minister.

Its laughable that you think him saying 'well lookat what they did? like a petulant 5 year old is embarrassing?

I have said repeatedly care in the uk is a mixture of public and private.

There is responsibilitiy on both sides.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

You know privately owned and run care homes are responsible for providing their own PPE, it's not the responsibility of government?

You do realise that if a massive organisation like the NHS were struggling to source PPE it was even harder for a care home.

It wasn't about getting 'free PPE' as some people seem to have convinced themselves, it was about finding PPE to buy when the NHS was gobbling it all up and still had a shortfall."

Absolutely I do. That wasn't the point of my post.

My point was people blaming the government for something which isn't in their gift.....

If a privately owned care home isn't providing PPE, it's bugger all to do with government.

Clearer now I hope.

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