FabSwingers.com forum: Why wasn’t it mandatory to wear masks from the start ?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This thing would have been done with by now!

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

Got any proof of that ?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

because there were not enough masks to go around

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thing would have been done with by now! "

Not sure about having been done, but would have helped.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"because there were not enough masks to go around "

Think he meant face coverings.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"This thing would have been done with by now! "

How do you know that?

Even if they prevented the spread of Covid 19, they would only have stopped it if the entire planet wore them.

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By *omo217Man
over a year ago

Sydney

TBF it wasn’t mandatory to socially distance at the start.

From a Brit in AU looking at it here you are always used to large Asian communities wearing masks in general. Not because they don’t want to catch something but because they don’t want to spread something.

I’ve worn a mask once and as someone who bites and nibbles their nails etc it made me acutely aware of just how much I touch my face with my hands in a day. No wonder I pick up infections etc etc.

Hotel Quarantine has been what’s kept AU so low.... aside from the Melbourne debacle.

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By *reenman19Man
over a year ago

.....no......

They should have gone whole hog from the start with all measures. They need the people to play along to have any sort of effectiveness and that's not really happening. Masks are mandatory now in a lot of places but people don't use them. So do the government guidelines matter?

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"Got any proof of that ? "

Why do people ask for 'proof' of something that hasn't happened? I think it was an opinion...

At the outbreak the evidence that face coverings helped reduce transmission wasnt clear. Also, some people still seem reluctant to wear them even after all we have been through so what chance would there have been of people accepting the requirement back in March?

Also, other than supermarkets, there hasn't been much of a reason to wear them. As we return to a form of normality, there will be more interaction and therefore a need to wear them.

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By *ymguy1966Man
over a year ago

Port Talbot

I think most advising to wear masks has TOTALLY forgotten about the eye's - LOL!!!

Masks not gonna do shit if someone sneezes close you your face - fact

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"This thing would have been done with by now! "

alot of things we or government could but noone took it seriously

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By *omo217Man
over a year ago

Sydney

"I think most advising to wear masks has TOTALLY forgotten about the eye's - LOL!!!

Masks not gonna do shit if someone sneezes close you your face - fact

It will if the person sneezing is wearing the mask.

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

masks are only truly effective if EVERYONE wears them in a public enclosed place like supermarkets... we need to learn from other countries especially Asia.

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"They should have gone whole hog from the start with all measures. They need the people to play along to have any sort of effectiveness and that's not really happening. Masks are mandatory now in a lot of places but people don't use them. So do the government guidelines matter?"

But,we have seen how resistant some people are to the introduction of new measures when it is done bit by bit.

If a whole load of measures had been introduced simultaneously, how would that have gone down?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I think most advising to wear masks has TOTALLY forgotten about the eye's - LOL!!!

Masks not gonna do shit if someone sneezes close you your face - fact

Wearing masks is about protecting other people from you, not protecting you from other people. My mask helps protect you, your mask helps protect me.

In your example, if the person who sneezed was wearing a mask, the risk of transmission is hugely reduced.

Those are the facts.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

It's entirely natural to be full of worldly wisdom 4 months after an event, that no one in the world has ever had to deal with before.

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By *ymguy1966Man
over a year ago

Port Talbot

Anyone fit and healthy has nothing to worry about.

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

Face coverings when out in public should have been made mandatory In March, it was my strong opinion then and it is now. It would have been an easy thing to enforce as well. Infuriating.

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By *aastyKnixWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Anyone fit and healthy has nothing to worry about."

And those of us who are less than 100% fit and healthy can just be abandoned?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because the government were following WHO guidelines that said..

the official advice from the World Health Organization was that only two types of people should wear masks: those who are sick and show symptoms, and those who are caring for people who are suspected to have the coronavirus.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"This thing would have been done with by now!

alot of things we or government could but noone took it seriously

Even now, and all the way through, some have not and still not taking it seriously. We also have a huge minority who still insist on picking holes and loopholes in whatever guidance is being given.

As someone so eloquently said on these fora... The rules are just slowing the inevitable so that the systems are not overwhelmed.

Nothing has changed. There is a highly contagious virus in our midst, the only defence to stopping or slowing its spread is to socially distance and take precautions to avoid spreading it to others... Wash hands, don't sneeze in people's faces, don't cough in people's faces. Cover your mouth and nose. Yet we still have people basically arguing that their own lives are being disrupted and "ain't gonna have anyone telling me or my kids what to do" . Go figure.

It's very disheartening. As we need to stick together.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There wasn't the evidence or supplies at the start. Evidence is still mixed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thing would have been done with by now! "

The real question is why were flights still allowed to land and borders still open 3 weeks after covid cases started in the uk and 2 months after the first covid cases were confirmed in Europe

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

"This thing would have been done with by now!

The real question is why were flights still allowed to land and borders still open 3 weeks after covid cases started in the uk and 2 months after the first covid cases were confirmed in Europe"

It’s another valid question equally as important as the face covering.

Far as I can see it was worse than that as until recently no screening, temperature checks or quarantine for airport arrivals from anywhere.

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By *ake_holeMan
over a year ago

London

There wasnt really any proof that wearing a face covering helped in the beginning. Weve got to remember how new this all was a few months ago as well as the amount we still dont know about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"because there were not enough masks to go around "

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

If this virus only transmitted via what we breath out, face coverings could have helped. (We'll also pretend that people don't contaminate their masks and think they are safe) Let's not forget through that the virus survives on surfaces.

Plus thousands of people are exempt from wearing masks and rightly so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Face coverings when out in public should have been made mandatory In March, it was my strong opinion then and it is now. It would have been an easy thing to enforce as well. Infuriating. "

I flew back from Tokyo Japan in March. In Japan if you don’t wear mask people look at you like you shit on their shoes ... however when I returned to England - everyone looked at me like I was crazy for wearing a mask. It’s good to see the tide changing.

It is true that masks most effective when everyone wears one - and that wearing a mask is about you saying “I want to protect others from myself!”

My suspicion is the government wanted to protect PPE supplies for NHS when they delayed Recommending masks - and instead recommended DIY masks. DIY mask are unhygienic in the long run - imho. Disposable masks are best.

Supply and demand means people are being extorted at this time for a product that probably costs 20p each to make??

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"This thing would have been done with by now! "

Because they didn't want the general public stockpiling when they needed them for the NHS as they didn't have enough.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

watching sport and those on tv being interviewed nearly every one of them kept adjusting their face masks from the front which then contaminates their hands,its not enough people just wearing masks they need to be educated about wearing them.If that is the practice of most people then totally pointless and probably more likely to contract it than not wearing one.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

The NHS and their associated partners have probably been getting through as many masks in a day as they used to get through in several months.

Extra demand would simply create more shortages and drive an already inflated price even higher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Face coverings when out in public should have been made mandatory In March, it was my strong opinion then and it is now. It would have been an easy thing to enforce as well. Infuriating.

It is true that masks most effective when everyone wears one - and that wearing a mask is about you saying “I want to protect others from myself!”

Supply and demand means people are being extorted at this time for a product that probably costs 20p each to make??

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They wear masks in large overcrowded citys because of pollution, let's stop being sheep clean the air and breathe as normal human beings.

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

"This thing would have been done with by now!

Not sure about having been done, but would have helped."

It wasn't recommended or needed according to WHO at the beginning

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By *rjimMan
over a year ago

nr bristol

The average "mask" is pointless.

(unless you cough or sneeze into it and it catches droplets..)

If you typically need to breath in 500ml of air in one breath and exhale it.....and there is any open side to the mask...the air will take the easiest route and go in and out there.

The actual volume of air thru the mask is negligible.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's entirely natural to be full of worldly wisdom 4 months after an event, that no one in the world has ever had to deal with before.

This. We were seeing massive shortages of equipment/PPE and the advice was to reserve them for medical staff who need them.

The evidence for benefit of non medical masks was at the time unclear.

Yes we should be wearing masks or face coverings. Yes it should have been done earlier. But like May earlier not March earlier.

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By *hrobberMan
over a year ago

North West

It because we are British and above all that ....also the earth is flat and the moon is cheese. Tally ho

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By *oroRick1027Man
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"The average "mask" is pointless.

(unless you cough or sneeze into it and it catches droplets..)

If you typically need to breath in 500ml of air in one breath and exhale it.....and there is any open side to the mask...the air will take the easiest route and go in and out there.

The actual volume of air thru the mask is negligible."

A quick experiment, hold your hand 6 inches in front of you and blow out. Repeat wearing a mask with your hand in front and then again around top, sides and bottom. What do you notice? There is less force from the air you breathe out when covered.

If you coughed or sneezed into a mask the distance the droplets traveled would undoubtedly be less.

surely less spread = less contamination.

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By *othBatGirlWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"Anyone fit and healthy has nothing to worry about."

Oh how wrong you are.. this virus will fuck your lungs for (so far proven months).

Covid-19 doesn't care if you are healthy. As all that means is that you COULD be asthmatic.

Bottom line is - stop being selfish neanderthals and wear a fucking face covering whilst staying 2 meters apart or if you can't, at least 1 meter.

It's really not that taxing to think of someone else before your needs.. sex with you must be real fun for the other person if it is...

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By *othBatGirlWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

*asymptomatic

Damn auto correct...

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By *ete le MeatMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire/ Notts

Because Knobhead Johnson and his Government are sh*t!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thing would have been done with by now! "

It wouldn’t be.

Containing a virus is not a simple or easy thing. The public outrage annoys me, as if any of us are experts.Everyone parrots what they read in the paper or social media. There’s a time and a place for an enquiry - ideally when this is all over and we have the full picture.

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By *ezzaandJane1973Couple
over a year ago

Olney

As every other forum on the pandemic, it is amazing just how many experts there are in the world.

The government follow guidelines that are being changed day by day, this is an unprecedented situation that we in the UK are not making any better, because we listen to the hyped up media and social media.

The basic common sense approach is do what you can to keep the virus at bay, not everyone will wear face masks, not everyone will social distance, not everyone will wash their hands. But the more that do the more it will help.

However on the other side of the coin, not everyone will catch Covid, not everyone that does catch it will ever know they have it, not everyone that has it and is ill will die, not everyone that survives it will live much longer, not everyone that is listed as died of Covid would have lived anyway.

As said previously all you can do is your best to control it and keep it at bay, but you CANNOT let it control you.

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By *ostonJoeMan
over a year ago

Boston

FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!

NOTING WHAT SO EVER!

I am so sick of trying to explain this in simple terms to people I have basically given up. Here goes.

A face covering is not a medical grade face mask and a medical grade face mask is not PPE. Only N95 or better filtration has any realistic effect at filtering out viruses. Putting a hanky over your mouth does nothing to protect you at all. That is why it was not recommended at the beginning. Social distancing, washing your hands, not taking stupid risks is the best way to protect yourself and reduce the risk of spreading it to others. The fact that the average person who does not understand the reality of particulate filtering will unfortunately believe putting a fabric over their face is some sort of protection is why the recommendation by the government is irresponsible in my humble opinion. Why do it? Because the government also have economic concerns and need the public to feel protected in some way to encourage them back to work in confined spaces, travel In confined spaces, send thier children back to school so they don't have that excuse to remain isolated. It is a policy of convenience. Keep your distance. Don't get complacent. If you have symptoms, get tested and self isolate. None of that has changed.

At best a face covering can catch droplets of mucus and saliva you cough up. If your coughing stuff up. Self isolate and get tested. Don't put a hanky over your face and carry on. The virus is not only spread by coughing gunk up but it is also carried on the finer particles that will inevitably escape.

It is spread by you breathing that in. When you are breathing you suck in a lot of air which will follow the path of least resistance, around your face covering where it doesn't fit properly which is why your breath will not be coming through your face covering in the quantity you expect. That's a two way street BTW. Anyone infected will be passing it on the same way. Symptoms? I think you get what I might say here. Isolate. Test. Vigilant.

If your face covering did a miraculous job of catching a droplet containing CV-19 which had designs on infiltrating your body, then it is now contaminated. It cannot filter the virus out and as you continue to suck air through it you run an increased risk of sucking that bad boy in but also now have the risk of passing it directly through contact with your face and your hands and anything else it comes into contact with. Don't forget how long this shitty bastard can survive in the air and on various materials. That has not changed. Keep washing those hands people, if things smell funny, you get a fever, sore throat, fatigue, short of breath then self isolate and get a test. A goddamn hanky over your face is not going to save you or stop you giving it to someone else.

This is exponentially easier to catch than HIV. Would you put a hanky over your sex bits and expect to be safe? Is a hanky a useful contraception? A sperm is waaay bigger than a virus. I can't think of any more ways to put it. Be vigilant and stay safe. Wash your hands. Keep your distance. If you are sick, don't take risks. Stay at home and get tested. Much love.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

Fearmongering visual props

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By *armandwet50Couple
over a year ago

Far far away

Social distancing, washing your hands, not taking stupid risks is the best way to protect yourself and reduce the risk of spreading it to others. "

So what you are saying is, if we follow the other 2 rules "distance" & "disinfection" wearing a mask can do no harm.... So why not wear em?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't put a cock in your mouth with a mask on

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!

NOTING WHAT SO EVER!

I am so sick of trying to explain this in simple terms to people I have basically given up. Here goes.

You. Make lots of assumptions there. Firstly that people who have symptoms will stay home. Facts are that some of them do not.

Second that asymptomatic people will not be in the public. They are.

I won't debate what barrier a face covering provides. You have your opinion, I have mine. But... Let's say someone sneezes.. Or coughs... Or breathes heavily...aerosols are free to land on surfaces that other people can touch and transfer. The aerosols in someone who is infected are likely to be loaded with virus.

A layer covering the face, will catch SOME of those aerosols.. And in that way...surely the viral load transferred to surfaces is reduced... A reduction is surely a good thing.?

Let's not forget this all started with one infected person transferring this to another unsuspecting person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thing would have been done with by now! "

The evidence shown the time in Mar h showed masks made little difference in the general public only full ppe makes any difference.

This covid same as you is now a way of life just the risk to general population .at decrease it'll always be there, first discovered in China over 20years ago I a bat cave so it's nothing that new as a virus just it never jumped till 2017 in China and then diagnosed again in 2019 China again well documented and studied!

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By *othBatGirlWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

""FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!"

You make lots of assumptions there. Firstly that people who have symptoms will stay home. Facts are that some of them do not.

Second that asymptomatic people will not be in the public. They are.

A layer covering the face, will catch SOME of those aerosols.. And in that way...surely the viral load transferred to surfaces is reduced... A reduction is surely a good thing.?

Let's not forget this all started with one infected person transferring this to another unsuspecting person. "

Agreed.

Social Distancing.

Face Coverings.

Wash/sanitise your hands.

Got symptoms? - Test. Isolate

It's not a hardship people. Others don't want to die just because you can't be arsed to protect others.

Maybe if it was a close member of your family/loved one struggling to survive with each breath you'd feel differently.. well.. hopefully

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Just don't live in care homes, you'll be fine.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

""FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!"

You make lots of assumptions there. Firstly that people who have symptoms will stay home. Facts are that some of them do not.

Second that asymptomatic people will not be in the public. They are.

A layer covering the face, will catch SOME of those aerosols.. And in that way...surely the viral load transferred to surfaces is reduced... A reduction is surely a good thing.?

Let's not forget this all started with one infected person transferring this to another unsuspecting person.

Agreed.

Social Distancing.

Face Coverings.

Wash/sanitise your hands.

Got symptoms? - Test. Isolate

It's not a hardship people. Others don't want to die just because you can't be arsed to protect others.

Maybe if it was a close member of your family/loved one struggling to survive with each breath you'd feel differently.. well.. hopefully

Agreed. It's about reducing risk, unfortunately not eliminating it.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

"FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!

NOTING WHAT SO EVER!

I am so sick of trying to explain this in simple terms to people I have basically given up. Here goes.

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By *othBatGirlWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"Agreed. It's about reducing risk, unfortunately not eliminating it. "

Absolutely, if the risk was reduced by all, lives could be saved - that's the important thing to remember

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Just don't live in care homes, you'll be fine.

You'd have been fine in a care home if hospitals hadn't sent their Covid cases there without telling them what they were doing.

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Agreed. It's about reducing risk, unfortunately not eliminating it.

Absolutely, if the risk was reduced by all, lives could be saved - that's the important thing to remember"

there's often situations where it's so tricky to stay 2 metre distance. I'm still for mask wearing in public enclosed places, anything to reduce the transmission is better than just chancing it? If you knew over 100 more lives could be saved by everyone wearing masks, why wouldn't you do it? So what seems the rest of the world wears masks, medical professionals who wear masks is doing it in vein? But general Joe public in uk doesn't need to? We have the highest death rate and been in lockdown for over 3 months now and general Joe Public knows better than the others? Well done uk for working well together by keeping 2 metre distance and washing your hands

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"Because Knobhead Johnson and his Government are sh*t!"

You know that the PM and the government aren't the ones who do the research and make the recommendations, yes?

Hypothetically, another government in power but making the same decisions.

Are you going to be equally as scathing or are you going to keep schtum?

I'm guessing the latter......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a few three layer homemade masks, which get washed between wearing them. I wear it to protect others. If others wore them too we Would protect each other more, especially if we maintain as much social distance as possible and keep washing our hands. It’s all about reducing risk. Sadly I don’t think the majority of the population understand the idea of reducing risk for each other and will continue to do what they want. Hence symptomatic people were in pubs this weekend.

I’ll continue to do my bit and hope others follow suit. If we do our bit changing our behaviour we have played our part.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?"

more of this please

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?"

OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...

"In late April, only about 25% of people in the UK wore face coverings, compared to 83.4% in Italy, 65.8% in the United States and 63.8% in Spain, according to one of the reports, which examined the factors limiting the take-up.

Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.

"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably the 2m distancing rule was enough. Now that it’s changed down south the face mask is something to help stop the virus from spreading.

We’re getting them from next week; got a feeling that they will open up the area a fair bit and then reduce the 2 m to 1 m

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"This thing would have been done with by now! "

Everyone had the option of wearing a face covering since January, smart people did.

We did, we didn't need to be told ...

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"This thing would have been done with by now!

Everyone had the option of wearing a face covering since January, smart people did.

We did, we didn't need to be told ...

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

So what about the people who are asymptomic how to they self isolate when they have zero symptoms what so ever ?
""FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!"

You make lots of assumptions there. Firstly that people who have symptoms will stay home. Facts are that some of them do not.

Second that asymptomatic people will not be in the public. They are.

A layer covering the face, will catch SOME of those aerosols.. And in that way...surely the viral load transferred to surfaces is reduced... A reduction is surely a good thing.?

Let's not forget this all started with one infected person transferring this to another unsuspecting person.

Agreed.

Social Distancing.

Face Coverings.

Wash/sanitise your hands.

Got symptoms? - Test. Isolate

It's not a hardship people. Others don't want to die just because you can't be arsed to protect others.

Maybe if it was a close member of your family/loved one struggling to survive with each breath you'd feel differently.. well.. hopefully

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because they're a placebo and don't actually stop viruses and cause massive problems when worn for protracted periods.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"Because they're a placebo and don't actually stop viruses and cause massive problems when worn for protracted periods. "
try reading more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ask Dr. Fauci

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By *hrobberMan
over a year ago

North West

Masks or face coverings reduce risk they don't stop it . But they reduce risk significantly. Problem is wearing a mask actually protects others but the flat earth brigade will never do that.

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By *ezzaandJane1973Couple
over a year ago

Olney

"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?

OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...

Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.

"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said.""

Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm

Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!

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over a year ago

"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?

OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...

Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.

"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said."

Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm

Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!

You have to look at the date of the article

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?

OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...

Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.

"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said."

Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm

Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!

You have to look at the date of the article"

Why ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?

OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...

Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.

"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said."

Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm

Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!

You have to look at the date of the article

Why ?"

You really don’t understand why?

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

"Face coverings when out in public should have been made mandatory In March, it was my strong opinion then and it is now. It would have been an easy thing to enforce as well. Infuriating. "

Easy to enforce! The NHS and care homes struggled to get enough PPE to carry out they're work, to say that the whole population of UK should have worn masks from march is simply not practical

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Easy to say this now - no one was saying it in December when it would have been any good. And, not wanting to repeat, but there is shit loads of evidence that if people wear face coverings they ignore all other precautions and end up increasing the risk of transmission.

To be clear - there is no evidence that face coverings prevent spread. They can help reduce it in certain circumstances but that’s it. Hence the PHE advice. It’s not a conspiracy - what is there to gain from asking people to use a non-PPE covering? Nothing. Put the tinfoil hats away. If it was as simple as wear face covering so you honestly think the Govt would have gone for spending gazillions of pounds in furloughing instead of asking people to self-fund a mask? Wow.

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

"I have a few three layer homemade masks, which get washed between wearing them. I wear it to protect others. If others wore them too we Would protect each other more, especially if we maintain as much social distance as possible and keep washing our hands. It’s all about reducing risk. Sadly I don’t think the majority of the population understand the idea of reducing risk for each other and will continue to do what they want. Hence symptomatic people were in pubs this weekend.

I’ll continue to do my bit and hope others follow suit. If we do our bit changing our behaviour we have played our part."

It's become more common that people who tested positive for the virus have very mild symptoms, this could be down to many things, the virus isn't as aggressive, we have built some immunity who knows if people choose to go out and about you can't critise them there will never be a right time to lift restrictions. You have to remember that there are thousands of businesses that will simply fold in the next few weeks open or not, we can't stay in lockdown forever.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Anyone fit and healthy has nothing to worry about.

Oh how wrong you are.. this virus will fuck your lungs for (so far proven months).

Covid-19 doesn't care if you are healthy. As all that means is that you COULD be asthmatic.

Bottom line is - stop being selfish neanderthals and wear a fucking face covering whilst staying 2 meters apart or if you can't, at least 1 meter.

It's really not that taxing to think of someone else before your needs.. sex with you must be real fun for the other person if it is... "

At least 60% who catch it don't even know they have it, so no fucked lungs there, most of the rest recover without issue. This is more government scaremongering to try persuade the fit and healthy that they have something to fear and need to play along with these draconian measures. They find someone with lung trouble and go "look we're all going to die!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Main real main issues with face coverings despite there being limited evidence to show they work is that people dont wear them properly. Walk around you see them dangling off down by their chin, not covering their nose, constantly being adjusted.

Therefore anyone who is contagious is saturating thier mask, then spreading it everywhere on their hands, the number of people I see wearing masks but not sanitising when they walk into shops is unbelievable. Oh and don't get me going on the plastic visor things, am I the only one who see the big massive gaps at the bottom and down the side, actually what protection to the provide.

Masks appear to give some a false sense of security, my preference is to say 2m from people's pretty much all of the time and spend very limited time next to someone in shops and rely on hand washing.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

Because they wanted us to catch it, for herd immunity. Yeh I said it. They think of us as cattle. Even at the cost of elderly and vulnerable.

"Come clean" Boris said.

They already knew how deadly it is.

The thing is, was it just strategy, population control or plain stupidity.

We will probably never get to the bottom of it.

Just wish Mr Hancock was at Event 201 last October or at least took on board the recommendations.

What were our spies in China doing? You'd of thought they would have set off alarm bells sooner or like I said they wanted us to catch it and run it's course.

Either way not enough done to save loved ones.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?

OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...

Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.

"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said."

Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm

Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!

You have to look at the date of the article

Why ?

You really don’t understand why?

What article ? So much shit here it's hard to see what you're talking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Easy to say this now - no one was saying it in December when it would have been any good. And, not wanting to repeat, but there is shit loads of evidence that if people wear face coverings they ignore all other precautions and end up increasing the risk of transmission.

There isn’t “shit loads of evidence that if people wear face coverings they ignore all other precautions and end up increasing the risk of transmission“. That was one small study. There’s more evidence that face coverings reduce transmission - not just of this virus but of many. These studies have existed for years and it’s been used as common sense around the world for years too.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

To be fair to the OP that you're quoting, he did say "They can help reduce it in certain circumstances"

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

the science is settled

they don't work

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

"the science is settled

they don't work"

What doesn't work ?

Face coverings ?

There's a scientific paper from years ago giving details of filtration and comparisons to surgical masks for various materials ...

Just Google it

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

It would have prolonged it. Heard immunity, like it or not is the only way this thing is going to be manageable.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"the science is settled

they don't work"

Fab experts are funny.

We did some costing and analysis and put various grades of mask into Africa and ME. It’s not rocket science if you’re at risk and can’t avoid people put on a mask, wash your hands and keep em off your face.

I bought 100 KN95 for post lockdown for me and the family and have only needed 5 so far , we avoid public transport and shop when it’s quiet, I make sure the oldies where them out though this thing could kill them

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Scotland have made it mandatory, or they are I believe. It's only a matter of time before we follow suit I think. About time to!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are we or aren't we meant to be wearing them in shops? I've just been to the supermarket which is 20 miles from my house (only because I'd been to the hospital in the same town, otherwise I don't shop there) and I was shocked at the amount not wearing them, including the over 70s.

I'd say less than 20% of people I saw were wearing them.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

"Are we or aren't we meant to be wearing them in shops? I've just been to the supermarket which is 20 miles from my house (only because I'd been to the hospital in the same town, otherwise I don't shop there) and I was shocked at the amount not wearing them, including the over 70s.

I'd say less than 20% of people I saw were wearing them.

Only in shops where social distancing isn't possible.

Not compulsory.

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By *arracksCouple
over a year ago

Deal

"because there were not enough masks to go around "

Exactly this, as well as not the right type for those of us in Healthcare, not thay there is now either

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

"Scotland have made it mandatory, or they are I believe. It's only a matter of time before we follow suit I think. About time to! "
Google medical advice about wearing masks they are totally divided about if masks are beneficial or actually germ spreaders , we think masks de humanise people

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By *arracksCouple
over a year ago

Deal

"Scotland have made it mandatory, or they are I believe. It's only a matter of time before we follow suit I think. About time to! Google medical advice about wearing masks they are totally divided about if masks are beneficial or actually germ spreaders , we think masks de humanise people "

As the WHO are.now admitting that the virus is airborne we are definitely thing it was a PPE issue, lack of fitted FFP3 masks influenced that guidance and has continued to do so, we simply cannot get them...

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By *heplayerMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"This thing would have been done with by now! "

It was but there was not enough glove s masks and other equipment were have you been under a rock ?

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Love the WHO, some great tunes

It's been known and well advertised right from the start the virus is airborne,that's why they introduced social distancing and had the lockdown restrictions.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

If masks had been made mandatory at the outset the available stock would have been quickly bought up by the same people who tripled their toilet roll buying and fought over a bag of pasta.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

"If masks had been made mandatory at the outset the available stock would have been quickly bought up by the same people who tripled their toilet roll buying and fought over a bag of pasta. "
eating lots of

Pasta makes you constipated, why was the bog roll needed.

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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

I don't see how makes can be any good when the virus is much smaller than the gaps in the material

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"It's entirely natural to be full of worldly wisdom 4 months after an event, that no one in the world has ever had to deal with before.

Technically not quite correct.

The military have be told what to do in the event of an NBC attack, covid is a biological agent. So they are told to mask and suit up before going outdoors, then clean the suit and shower when coming indoors.

We were told to social distance, wash our hands, stay in unless we really had to go out.

Yet the amount of people who I had a go at for not social distancing when I was out and about, only to be told that they wouldn't get it, so it didn't matter about them not social distancing.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"It's entirely natural to be full of worldly wisdom 4 months after an event, that no one in the world has ever had to deal with before.

Technically not quite correct.

We were told to social distance, wash our hands, stay in unless we really had to go out.

Yet the amount of people who I had a go at for not social distancing when I was out and about, only to be told that they wouldn't get it, so it didn't matter about them not social distancing."

Covid 19 isn't a biological agent, although it's being treated as one for the purposes of protection.

Quote;

The phrase “biological agent” is defined by reference to regulation 2 of the Control of Substances Hazardous to Human Health Regulations 2002 and includes any micro-organism which may cause infection. This is broad enough to include Covid-19.

It can be safely assumed that Covid-19 is a “biological agent” for the purpose of COSHH.

Key phrases;

This is broad enough to include Covid-19.

It can be safely assumed that Covid-19 is a “biological agent” for the purpose of COSHH.

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By *ixenhixCouple
over a year ago

colchester

"because there were not enough masks to go around "

Seems strange - Covid mask wearing compulsory within the NHS covid wards that were allegedly overrun because the general; population were advised not to wear masks.... explain the logic

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By *ixenhixCouple
over a year ago

colchester

"TBF it wasn’t mandatory to socially distance at the start.

I’ve worn a mask once and as someone who bites and nibbles their nails etc it made me acutely aware of just how much I touch my face with my hands in a day. No wonder I pick up infections etc etc.

Hotel Quarantine has been what’s kept AU so low.... aside from the Melbourne debacle. "

I may be ignorant but thought the majority of Asian mask wearers were due to the air quality being horrific and hoping to filter out the toxidity that was killing them rather than not passing something on.

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over a year ago

Apparently Boris is thinking about talking about having a meeting to maybe discuss the possibility of perhaps making masks a little bit more compulsory in certain areas.

What decisive government we have !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just wish someone in charge would say wear a fucking mask

Too much contradiction from all sides and even within parties.

It’s all about the reduction of passing it on not the cure all!

If masks were not effective then we would not be using them in hospitals would we!!

It’s all about stopping joe public rushing out and stripping the stocks of masks.

That was the main fear of the government and the health service

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

It’s just a mask

It’s just six feet

It’s just two weeks

It’s just church

It’s just to keep hospitals safe

It’s just to flatten the curve

It’s just a protest

It’s just a few more weeks

It’s just until we get a vaccine

“It’s just” never ends

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Apparently Boris is thinking about talking about having a meeting to maybe discuss the possibility of perhaps making masks a little bit more compulsory in certain areas.

What decisive government we have !"

Well he needs to get a bloody move on, they break up for summer soon!

Been to Aldi today, really busy, all tills open, no social distancing whatsoever! Only a few people wearing masks

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over a year ago

"Apparently Boris is thinking about talking about having a meeting to maybe discuss the possibility of perhaps making masks a little bit more compulsory in certain areas.

What decisive government we have !

Well he needs to get a bloody move on, they break up for summer soon!

Been to Aldi today, really busy, all tills open, no social distancing whatsoever! Only a few people wearing masks

It would be a good thing if the shops made it compulsory...a little like when the premier league cancelled all games and more or less started the lockdown before the gvmt. Then the ones who do will get a lot more shoppers through the doors imo

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

"It’s just a mask

It’s just six feet

It’s just two weeks

It’s just church

It’s just to keep hospitals safe

It’s just to flatten the curve

It’s just a protest

It’s just a few more weeks

It’s just until we get a vaccine

“It’s just” never ends"
Gove has said wearing a muzzle is not going to be made compulsory in shops at last some common sense

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Goverment lie

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Goverment. No leadership

Shouldn't we be discussing a vote of no confidence

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

" Gove has said wearing a muzzle is not going to be made compulsory in shops at last some common sense"

Having rewatched the interview, he hasn't said that at all.

He's simply giving his opinion, which may/may not reflect that of the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It should be compulsory for Michael Gove, virus or not, he should always have to wear a mask

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

"It should be compulsory for Michael Gove, virus or not, he should always have to wear a mask

What?

On top of his normal one?

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