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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" What fully tried and tested Vaccine have they trialled in Denmark? | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? What fully tried and tested Vaccine have they trialled in Denmark?" Mandatory vaccine legislation enacted in Denmark. Reportedly. | |||
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"what vaccine ? there isnt one." The question is, if there were, would you support it being legislated to a mandatory status ? | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" FFS we went through all this bollocks in the 80s when HIV appeared. Learn from your elders m8 - if you license discrimination it won't be contained, it will spread and before long you'll have to prove you're not obese to buy a greggs pastie. Just say no. (BTW, Greggs pasties are utterly shit, and should be avoided at all costs, but I'll depend people's right to eat themselves into an early grave if they so wish....) | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ?" This wouldn't work. Restrictions to what exactly? To be honest it sounds a bit elitist and not for the masses. | |||
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"I'm assuming you're talking covid-19 vaccination? If so, I would not support it. Actually I'd join the movement against mandatory vaccination as I'm sure there would be one. Nothing worse than jumping on the vaccine that is not proven, not extensively tested, long term side affects not known and even the illness itself is not fully understood yet. New discoveries are coming out almost weekly." Basically saying...I'm not prepared to take the miniscule risk that a long term effect has not been discovered by expert scientists to protect a large portion of vulnerable people for your own selfish reasons. Fair enough. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?FFS we went through all this bollocks in the 80s when HIV appeared. Learn from your elders m8 - if you license discrimination it won't be contained, it will spread and before long you'll have to prove you're not obese to buy a greggs pastie. Just say no. (BTW, Greggs pasties are utterly shit, and should be avoided at all costs, but I'll depend people's right to eat themselves into an early grave if they so wish....)" Pasties yes, Steakbakes are delicious  | |||
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"I'm assuming you're talking covid-19 vaccination? If so, I would not support it. Actually I'd join the movement against mandatory vaccination as I'm sure there would be one. Nothing worse than jumping on the vaccine that is not proven, not extensively tested, long term side affects not known and even the illness itself is not fully understood yet. New discoveries are coming out almost weekly." All vaccines are proven and extensively tested - that's how science and medicine work. | |||
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" To be honest it sounds a bit elitist and not for the masses." Exactly. If you are well off and have always paid your bills on time you get preferential access to services ? | |||
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"All vaccines are proven and extensively tested - that's how science and medicine work." I know it is not a vaccine but what about Thalidomide ? | |||
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"I'm assuming you're talking covid-19 vaccination? If so, I would not support it. Actually I'd join the movement against mandatory vaccination as I'm sure there would be one. Nothing worse than jumping on the vaccine that is not proven, not extensively tested, long term side affects not known and even the illness itself is not fully understood yet. New discoveries are coming out almost weekly. Basically saying...I'm not prepared to take the miniscule risk that a long term effect has not been discovered by expert scientists to protect a large portion of vulnerable people for your own selfish reasons. Fair enough. " Can you prove I don't have natural immunity to it and therefore don't need a vaccine? And how can you say "miniscule" if you don't know about it yet? It could be life changing if not worse. Do you remember the drug pregnant women took to ease off morning thickness? Did they know what side affects it was going to cause? How many lives were destroyed? But yeah, if there's is a whisper of a vaccine - blindly jump on it so not to be "selfish". | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ?" Absolutely not. Where would it stop? "Sorry mate you can't go on that holiday, it's for dark haired people only".do we then go down the genetic modification route to engineer babies that only have certain characteristics? I know I'm being tongue in cheek here but if you go down this route it's basically discrimination and won't be accepted by society. | |||
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"what vaccine ? there isnt one." true, vaccine is snake oil and media hype | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ? Absolutely not. Where would it stop? "Sorry mate you can't go on that holiday, it's for dark haired people only".do we then go down the genetic modification route to engineer babies that only have certain characteristics? I know I'm being tongue in cheek here but if you go down this route it's basically discrimination and won't be accepted by society." Could it be a question of, what will it take to create the acceptance of something like this by wider society ? Or at least create a perception of its requirement to push a move like this through ? What would such a move entail ? | |||
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"All vaccines are proven and extensively tested - that's how science and medicine work. I know it is not a vaccine but what about Thalidomide ?" Sixty years ago, and guess what? That's why scientific and medical practice has improved. (oh, and by the way, people knew that thalidomide was dangerous - it wasn;t that the tetsing process failed - corrupt drugs companies ignored the evidence to make some money...) | |||
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My eldest was not born here in England and she was given one before she started her immunisations. I've had it updated, even here in England, since and now if we ever have a question, I grab the book and can quickly see date she had xy or z 
I purchased additional ones as I had my other children and I have them all in my fire proof box, with birth certificates and important bits.
It could be very useful to them when they are older, for example I had yellow fever jab as a kid but my parents didn't keep proof  it would be useful if I had that document or proof of the jab. My children will have those details available to them | |||
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" corrupt drugs companies ignored the evidence to make some money..." And that will never happen again... As if. | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ? Absolutely not. Where would it stop? "Sorry mate you can't go on that holiday, it's for dark haired people only".do we then go down the genetic modification route to engineer babies that only have certain characteristics? I know I'm being tongue in cheek here but if you go down this route it's basically discrimination and won't be accepted by society. Could it be a question of, what will it take to create the acceptance of something like this by wider society ? Or at least create a perception of its requirement to push a move like this through ? What would such a move entail ?" It won't and probably will never get off the blocks. A wider society is the inclusion of everyone not the exclusion of those that cannot afford the privileges. | |||
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" I know it is not a vaccine but what about Thalidomide ? Sixty years ago, and guess what? That's why scientific and medical practice has improved. " What about the recent vaginal mesh scandal ? | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" Sounds on like Les Miserables where he has to carry his prison papers for the rest of his life. It’s. NAH from me | |||
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" a health passport would help to keep the vulnerable safe. " What would my passport say ? She has never had it to her knowledge and hasn't been tested. How would that safeguard vulnerable people ? | |||
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"No I wouldn't support this at all. It would lead to a split society. " Totally agree | |||
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" a health passport would help to keep the vulnerable safe. What would my passport say ? She has never had it to her knowledge and hasn't been tested. How would that safeguard vulnerable people ?" Easy, it gives an informed choice, say, if I was meeting a new person on fab, I could ask, then with the info supplied, I could make a decision to safeguard myself or not | |||
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" corrupt drugs companies ignored the evidence to make some money... And that will never happen again... As if." I realise you;re compeltely immune to persuasion and evidence. Off you go spreading your anti-vaccine propaganda- it's a free country, and so long as you own the consequences of your views, that' your right. | |||
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" I know it is not a vaccine but what about Thalidomide ? Sixty years ago, and guess what? That's why scientific and medical practice has improved. What about the recent vaginal mesh scandal ?" You're right, vaginal mesh was and is a scandal. Guess what? The medical system exposed it. The 2016 Cochrane review highlighted the poor outcomes of vaginal mesh, and highlighted that it had been introduced without randomized trials - a weakness in the system around medical devices and prosthetics as compared to drugs. The Cohrane review of course only collected data going back to before 2010 of medical authorities warning against the problems of vaginal mesh. We probably need better mechanisms for testing device and prosthetics - but a problem with tem doesn;t undermine the general system for testing drugs and vaccines - you're trying to compare apples and pears. | |||
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" you're trying to compare apples and pears." They are both orchard fruit. | |||
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"why do you need a vaccine , according to the experts bleach any bleach kills it " Have you tried drinking bleach? I agree it probably does kill it!  | |||
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"why do you need a vaccine , according to the experts bleach any bleach kills it Have you tried drinking bleach? I agree it probably does kill it! "Please don't drink bleach, it was a joke comment  | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ?" Again no. Where's the equality and freedom in that? Sounds like some kind of dystopia future. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sounds on like Les Miserables where he has to carry his prison papers for the rest of his life. It’s. NAH from me " And yet people are happy to carry a mobile phone and a credit card everywhere they go.... | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ? Absolutely not. Where would it stop? "Sorry mate you can't go on that holiday, it's for dark haired people only".do we then go down the genetic modification route to engineer babies that only have certain characteristics? I know I'm being tongue in cheek here but if you go down this route it's basically discrimination and won't be accepted by society." | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ? Again no. Where's the equality and freedom in that? Sounds like some kind of dystopia future. " Sounds like a good idea. Equality and freedom means everybody, not just anti vaxxers. They must have an option to receive one. | |||
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" you're trying to compare apples and pears. They are both orchard fruit. " This is either a really silly remark, or a really sophisticated philosophical joke about the fact that apples and pears are within a category (like drugs and vaccines) but prosthetics (like vaginal mesh) are in an entirely different category. I suspect the former, hope it's the latter but don't really give a shit either way since it does make the point rather well that reciting a failing in the process for approving a prosthetic isn't really germane to a debate about vaccines. | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ? Absolutely not. Where would it stop? "Sorry mate you can't go on that holiday, it's for dark haired people only".do we then go down the genetic modification route to engineer babies that only have certain characteristics? I know I'm being tongue in cheek here but if you go down this route it's basically discrimination and won't be accepted by society. Could it be a question of, what will it take to create the acceptance of something like this by wider society ? Or at least create a perception of its requirement to push a move like this through ? What would such a move entail ? It won't and probably will never get off the blocks. A wider society is the inclusion of everyone not the exclusion of those that cannot afford the privileges." Isn't that the point....a mandatory vaccine would include everybody. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sounds on like Les Miserables where he has to carry his prison papers for the rest of his life. It’s. NAH from me And yet people are happy to carry a mobile phone and a credit card everywhere they go...." The underprivileged and homeless don't have credit cards. I suppose they don't matter? | |||
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" corrupt drugs companies ignored the evidence to make some money... And that will never happen again... As if.I realise you;re compeltely immune to persuasion and evidence. Off you go spreading your anti-vaccine propaganda- it's a free country, and so long as you own the consequences of your views, that' your right." I never said anti-vaccine, I said anti MANDATORY vaccine. But hey, why not go slamming others down when their opinion doesn't match yours with your "know it all and I'm right" attitude, when you're unable to read a simple post.  | |||
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"I'm assuming you're talking covid-19 vaccination? If so, I would not support it. Actually I'd join the movement against mandatory vaccination as I'm sure there would be one. Nothing worse than jumping on the vaccine that is not proven, not extensively tested, long term side affects not known and even the illness itself is not fully understood yet. New discoveries are coming out almost weekly." Couldn't have stated it better | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sounds on like Les Miserables where he has to carry his prison papers for the rest of his life. It’s. NAH from me And yet people are happy to carry a mobile phone and a credit card everywhere they go.... The underprivileged and homeless don't have credit cards. I suppose they don't matter?" My point is that there may be valid arguments for not having a health passport. But not wishing to "carry one" is not a particularly strong argument. I have no idea what percentage of the population are homeless but I'd imagine it is quite a small percentage. And nor am I suggesting if you're homeless you don't matter. Let's use pareto and start addressing the 80 per cent, if we wait until 100 per cent of people accept something.. It will never happen. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit" Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. " Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit." Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Who's said they would be? " Did you read the title of the thread before you replied | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too " | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too " | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too "Yep, read the top questions." Should those without a passport be restricted"? | |||
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"what vaccine ? there isnt one.true, vaccine is snake oil and media hype" Says the person that puts that crap on their profile "fabswingers is a publicly traded company, don't infringe my rights blah blah blah" Anti Vaccine types are truly dangerous conspiracy theorists | |||
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"what vaccine ? there isnt one.true, vaccine is snake oil and media hype Says the person that puts that crap on their profile "fabswingers is a publicly traded company, don't infringe my rights blah blah blah" Anti Vaccine types are truly dangerous conspiracy theorists" Hahaha, I'm on a trial pal,  | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" I am for it, although there may be some people who can't have it because of other health issues, but for everyone else i think it should be mandatory, we need herd immunity to protect people who can't have it. Sadly i doubt it will be mandatory. | |||
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"what vaccine ? there isnt one.true, vaccine is snake oil and media hype Says the person that puts that crap on their profile "fabswingers is a publicly traded company, don't infringe my rights blah blah blah" I was referring to the person that made the statement and good on ya Anti Vaccine types are truly dangerous conspiracy theorists Hahaha, I'm on a trial pal, " | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too
Yep, read the top questions." Should those without a passport be restricted"? "The thread is titled "Mandatory Vaccine/Health Passport" Next line "An approach trialled in Denmark" It's not being trialled in Denmark. Vaccines are being trialled in Denmark. There is no vaccine available and when and if there is, there is currently no trial in Denmark to make it compulsory as stated in the thread topic. Its bullshit but feel free to fill your boots with it  | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too
Yep, read the top questions." Should those without a passport be restricted"?
The thread is titled
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"An approach trialled in Denmark"
It's not being trialled in Denmark.
Vaccines are being trialled in Denmark.
There is no vaccine available and when and if there is, there is currently no trial in Denmark to make it compulsory as stated in the thread topic.
Its bullshit but feel free to fill your boots with it "All cause your "mate in a hospital" told you. How does he know what private companies are doing? Is he psychic? | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too
Yep, read the top questions." Should those without a passport be restricted"?
The thread is titled
"Mandatory Vaccine/Health Passport"
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"An approach trialled in Denmark"
It's not being trialled in Denmark.
Vaccines are being trialled in Denmark.
There is no vaccine available and when and if there is, there is currently no trial in Denmark to make it compulsory as stated in the thread topic.
Its bullshit but feel free to fill your boots with it
All cause your "mate in a hospital" told you. How does he know what private companies are doing? Is he psychic? "Did I say he ? See, your reading stuff thats not there instead of concentrating on what's actually written lol How can a private company introduce mandatory vaccinations
Maybe you were out last night and need a few more days to regain your senses .... Or maybe not but your either cryptic beyond my means or ...
Maybe we can continue later in the week when youve had time to read it again and focus on the topic lol
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too
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It's not being trialled in Denmark.
Vaccines are being trialled in Denmark.
There is no vaccine available and when and if there is, there is currently no trial in Denmark to make it compulsory as stated in the thread topic.
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All cause your "mate in a hospital" told you. How does he know what private companies are doing? Is he psychic?
Did I say he ? See, your reading stuff thats not there instead of concentrating on what's actually written lol
How can a private company introduce mandatory vaccinations
Maybe you were out last night and need a few more days to regain your senses .... Or maybe not but your either cryptic beyond my means or ...
Maybe we can continue later in the week when youve had time to read it again and focus on the topic lol
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too
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"An approach trialled in Denmark"
It's not being trialled in Denmark.
Vaccines are being trialled in Denmark.
There is no vaccine available and when and if there is, there is currently no trial in Denmark to make it compulsory as stated in the thread topic.
Its bullshit but feel free to fill your boots with it
All cause your "mate in a hospital" told you. How does he know what private companies are doing? Is he psychic?
Did I say he ? See, your reading stuff thats not there instead of concentrating on what's actually written lol
How can a private company introduce mandatory vaccinations
Maybe you were out last night and need a few more days to regain your senses .... Or maybe not but your either cryptic beyond my means or ...
Maybe we can continue later in the week when youve had time to read it again and focus on the topic lol
Or maybe, you can answer the question? How does your mate know, what's his position, that may help "btw, companies in biotec are looking at how this can work, but it's up to governments to introduce new laws, to make anything mandatory. I personally think they shouldn't be. | |||
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" corrupt drugs companies ignored the evidence to make some money... And that will never happen again... As if.I realise you;re compeltely immune to persuasion and evidence. Off you go spreading your anti-vaccine propaganda- it's a free country, and so long as you own the consequences of your views, that' your right. I never said anti-vaccine, I said anti MANDATORY vaccine. But hey, why not go slamming others down when their opinion doesn't match yours with your "know it all and I'm right" attitude, when you're unable to read a simple post. "Well said. I'm not anti vax, just pro choice. There's a massive difference. Clearly done can't see this as they refuse to accept other points of view that differ from their own. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too
Yep, read the top questions." Should those without a passport be restricted"?
The thread is titled
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"An approach trialled in Denmark"
It's not being trialled in Denmark.
Vaccines are being trialled in Denmark.
There is no vaccine available and when and if there is, there is currently no trial in Denmark to make it compulsory as stated in the thread topic.
Its bullshit but feel free to fill your boots with it
All cause your "mate in a hospital" told you. How does he know what private companies are doing? Is he psychic?
Did I say he ? See, your reading stuff thats not there instead of concentrating on what's actually written lol
How can a private company introduce mandatory vaccinations
Maybe you were out last night and need a few more days to regain your senses .... Or maybe not but your either cryptic beyond my means or ...
Maybe we can continue later in the week when youve had time to read it again and focus on the topic lol
Or maybe, you can answer the question? How does your mate know, what's his position, that may help btw, companies in biotec are looking at how this can work, but it's up to governments to introduce new laws, to make anything mandatory. I personally think they shouldn't be. "Oh, and reading stuff that isn't there. Mates can be male, female or trans. That's your bad. | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ? Absolutely not. Where would it stop? "Sorry mate you can't go on that holiday, it's for dark haired people only".do we then go down the genetic modification route to engineer babies that only have certain characteristics? I know I'm being tongue in cheek here but if you go down this route it's basically discrimination and won't be accepted by society. Could it be a question of, what will it take to create the acceptance of something like this by wider society ? Or at least create a perception of its requirement to push a move like this through ? What would such a move entail ? It won't and probably will never get off the blocks. A wider society is the inclusion of everyone not the exclusion of those that cannot afford the privileges. Isn't that the point....a mandatory vaccine would include everybody." And should also include those who choose not to have it. | |||
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"So your “health score” couldn’t possibly be related to income/deprivation/ genetics or anything like that? It’s possibly one of the most dangerous ideas I’ve had the misfortune to come across - would we all have to wear badges stating that we were “unclean” or produce evidence of our health status before we are allowed to shop / go to work/ do anything? I’m all in favour of vaccination (assuming we can find one) but what you’re suggesting is divisive and dangerous. "
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sorry to burst your bubble but a friend who works is a hospital in Copenhagen says theres no such thing, more bullshit Your friend in a foreign hospital is poorly informed. These are being trialed and studies being run in many countries, including the UK. Of course vaccines are being trialled but they will not be compulsory in Denmark. That's the bullshit. Who's said they would be? It's an EU decision not Denmarks. I presume your "pal in the hospital" has looked at what they're doing about biometric /health passports in private companies in Denmark too
Yep, read the top questions." Should those without a passport be restricted"?
The thread is titled
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"An approach trialled in Denmark"
It's not being trialled in Denmark.
Vaccines are being trialled in Denmark.
There is no vaccine available and when and if there is, there is currently no trial in Denmark to make it compulsory as stated in the thread topic.
Its bullshit but feel free to fill your boots with it
All cause your "mate in a hospital" told you. How does he know what private companies are doing? Is he psychic?
Did I say he ? See, your reading stuff thats not there instead of concentrating on what's actually written lol
How can a private company introduce mandatory vaccinations
Maybe you were out last night and need a few more days to regain your senses .... Or maybe not but your either cryptic beyond my means or ...
Maybe we can continue later in the week when youve had time to read it again and focus on the topic lol
Or maybe, you can answer the question? How does your mate know, what's his position, that may help "You're still incapable of reading lol | |||
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"So your “health score” couldn’t possibly be related to income/deprivation/ genetics or anything like that? It’s possibly one of the most dangerous ideas I’ve had the misfortune to come across - would we all have to wear badges stating that we were “unclean” or produce evidence of our health status before we are allowed to shop / go to work/ do anything? I’m all in favour of vaccination (assuming we can find one) but what you’re suggesting is divisive and dangerous. " I totally agree with you on this. It would completely split society. The consequences of this could be horrific. | |||
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"I am pro-vaccines but also pro-choice. I am certainly against medical procedures being forced upon people for political purposes. But there are also some very difficult moral and ethical questions tied up with this. Let's leave aside the specifics of coronavirus and instead consider a hypothetical disease, let's call it halo-bacterium. This is a new disease that seems to have originated in a fish market in Swindon, but has very rapidly spread to infect many people in the town. There seems to be little effective treatment and those infected can pass it on by touch even if they are not showing symptoms themselves. Strangely people over the age of 45 mostly get better although a few may get an unsightly skin rash, and a very few who were already sick might die. However in the age range 25 to 44, up to one in five get severe skin lesions needing extensive hospital care, and about two in a hundred die in agony as their entire skin rots away. Younger people rarely get sick but do seem to be able to carry the disease. The disease is soon spreading across the country and the only way found to slow it down is to temporarily ban long distance travel and tell people to stay at home. If they must go out, it is recommended that they wear rubber gloves. Many older people are soon demanding their right to go shopping for fish, after all they are in no danger if they catch halo-bacterium, the 25-40 year olds are the ones that should isolate themselves indefinitely. Older people also mainly refuse to wear the rubber gloves because they think it looks stupid and it makes their hands sweaty. Eventually a treatment is found that is 95% sure to protect people against catching halo-bacterium. It is clinically tested and shown that fewer than one in a million older people will get any harmful side effects from the treatment, far fewer than the number of older people who get bad after effects from halo-bacterium itself. Unfortunately, those in the main danger group, 25-40 year olds, are far more prone to side effects from the treatment, and much less likely to gain an immunity to the disease. So: Should it be completely voluntary for the older people to take the treatment? Should older people be allowed to enter spaces where the danger group work, if they refuse to take the treatment? Can a town with a very low incidence of halo-bacterium insist that visitors from high risk towns show proof that they have either taken the preventative treatment or are otherwise certified to be disease free? Should the older people have any constraints laid on their behaviour in order to protect the younger people? I don't know the answers. It's all shades of grey. Does the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Are there absolute rights of the individual that can never be abrogated even if that can endanger thousands? Is it ever right for governments to place obligations on the people for the safety of themselves and others? Can pink rubber gloves ever be a happy fashion statement? Consider. Discuss. Imagine yourself a member of the safe group. Imagine yourself a member of the danger group. Imagine yourself with loved ones in the opposite group to yourself. What if you only have responsibility for your own actions. What if as an employer or an elected leader, you carry responsibility for others?" I stopped reading at the sentence about vaccines being forced on people for political purposes. Noone is suggesting that. | |||
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"Do you have peer reviewed scientific proof that all vaccines are extensively tested ? Or that vaccines are 100% safe ? Pandemrix was rushed out by GSK after the swine flu not many years ago, it was withdrawn not long after, due to safety concerns. And very high instances of narcolepsy, also GSK admitted hiding safety concerns, Please feel free to google it. Ps, there is a vaccine injury claim section on gov.uk website too. And the American government pay out around $4 billion annually for vaccine injury claims Please do your own research before taking any vaccine, and make an informed choice. " I've read the pandemrix stuff - your account of it is typical of the internet conspiracists. Have a nice night in your tinfoil hat. | |||
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"It is proposed a model like credit scoring may be used, but rather than a rating and subsequent financial score being algorythmically calculated based on your financial, borrowing, penal code and utility history, etc. a "health score" would be created based upon the various medical criteria you may or may not meet, and access to various goods/services could be determined by that rating. So while mandating any vaccine or medical practice might not be feasible, would a health score model be the route to go down ? Higher scores and wider acces for those meeting mhealth criteria, and lower scores and limited access for those who do not meet criteria ?" Do you have a source for this? | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" no way would I support something that would see my children live in an world where we are all controlled by whoever has instigated this plandemic | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? no way would I support something that would see my children live in an world where we are all controlled by whoever has instigated this plandemic " Plandemic sounds like the correct word, certainly in the UK. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" without knowing how long the antibodies last how useful is it really? i think i read there was a first study that the milder the form of covid you had... the shorter the time you had the antibodies...... | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ? Sounds on like Les Miserables where he has to carry his prison papers for the rest of his life. It’s. NAH from me And yet people are happy to carry a mobile phone and a credit card everywhere they go...." I don't carry my phone or credit card when I go out. | |||
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"If there was a vaccine against all sti’s and all HIV’s would you insist your playmates had it before sex, the answer is there isn’t one, but you still take the chance. Wherever there is a chance of bodily liquid being transferred (even a kiss) you can pass things on. Covid is the same. A vaccine will also mean you can’t catch it. So I will get it done. As for a vaccine passport, someone has one, are you more likely to play with them than someone who hasn’t?" On your last point...yes. | |||
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"Wow...based on the comments alot of people chose the matrix red pill Let's put somethings into context regarding Denmark. They have taken a hard line internal protectionist policy right from the start. And this idea is in line with that. They also have a population size 13 times smaller than the uk. Managing 5 Million people is considerably easier than 66 million Its been said a million times on here buts let's repeat it again... What works for one country may not not work for another. The virus is a global pandemic and requires a global response with uniquly specific policies for each country. So Greece model should look different to Denmark which should look different to the UK. But a consistent and combined approach is required by all nations to curb the virus. This where the global effort is falling down. " | |||
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"i have no objection in theory to the health passport if its what is needed to keep people safe (i kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school) but the vaccine would need to have free global access otherwise people without health insurance would be at a disadvantage i also have no objection in theory to a vaccine , but disagree with people that suggest it will be known to be safe once its available... its being rushed through and it will be known to be immediately safe, but given its a new disease and a new vaccine we won’t physically have had the time to monitor long term side effects if any if it gets released even in the next year or so time will tell if we repeatedly come in and out of waves of infection if it will be worth taking the risk of the unknown to get back to some sort of normality " "kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school)" What a ridiculous statement to make. So the kids who can't have vaccines for medical reasons rather than their parents making informed choices should be uneducated? Both of which, in my opinion are both valid reasons for not being vaccinated. Its called choice. Which fortunately we still currently have. | |||
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"i have no objection in theory to the health passport if its what is needed to keep people safe (i kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school) but the vaccine would need to have free global access otherwise people without health insurance would be at a disadvantage i also have no objection in theory to a vaccine , but disagree with people that suggest it will be known to be safe once its available... its being rushed through and it will be known to be immediately safe, but given its a new disease and a new vaccine we won’t physically have had the time to monitor long term side effects if any if it gets released even in the next year or so time will tell if we repeatedly come in and out of waves of infection if it will be worth taking the risk of the unknown to get back to some sort of normality "kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school)" What a ridiculous statement to make. So the kids who can't have vaccines for medical reasons rather than their parents making informed choices should be uneducated? Both of which, in my opinion are both valid reasons for not being vaccinated. Its called choice. Which fortunately we still currently have. " How about separate schools for the anti vaxxers kids to reduce the risk to others? | |||
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"i have no objection in theory to the health passport if its what is needed to keep people safe (i kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school) but the vaccine would need to have free global access otherwise people without health insurance would be at a disadvantage i also have no objection in theory to a vaccine , but disagree with people that suggest it will be known to be safe once its available... its being rushed through and it will be known to be immediately safe, but given its a new disease and a new vaccine we won’t physically have had the time to monitor long term side effects if any if it gets released even in the next year or so time will tell if we repeatedly come in and out of waves of infection if it will be worth taking the risk of the unknown to get back to some sort of normality "kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school)" What a ridiculous statement to make. So the kids who can't have vaccines for medical reasons rather than their parents making informed choices should be uneducated? Both of which, in my opinion are both valid reasons for not being vaccinated. Its called choice. Which fortunately we still currently have. " health reasons are entirely different from a parents “i saw this you tube video” decision yes they have choice , more than welcome to it, but their choice to increase their risk should not them be forced upon the rest of their peers | |||
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"Big brother guys first phase theve never had a corrona cure funny its comming now" What a ridiculous statement | |||
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"Polly Chromatic has a very good point as employers have a duty of care towards their staff. Could they choose not to employ an unvaccinated candidate on the basis that they are protecting their workforce?" well unless the goverment are gona pay the ones who dont have it no they couldnt do that.disvrimination laws and all that.im not anti-vax but wont be rushing to the front of the line to get it if they ever come up with one.will give it a year or two to see ehhat if any the side efgects might be then id make a desicion.if work dont want me back till then welll im sure there are laws i can use to make them take me back | |||
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"i have no objection in theory to the health passport if its what is needed to keep people safe (i kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school) but the vaccine would need to have free global access otherwise people without health insurance would be at a disadvantage i also have no objection in theory to a vaccine , but disagree with people that suggest it will be known to be safe once its available... its being rushed through and it will be known to be immediately safe, but given its a new disease and a new vaccine we won’t physically have had the time to monitor long term side effects if any if it gets released even in the next year or so time will tell if we repeatedly come in and out of waves of infection if it will be worth taking the risk of the unknown to get back to some sort of normality "kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school)" What a ridiculous statement to make. So the kids who can't have vaccines for medical reasons rather than their parents making informed choices should be uneducated? Both of which, in my opinion are both valid reasons for not being vaccinated. Its called choice. Which fortunately we still currently have. How about separate schools for the anti vaxxers kids to reduce the risk to others? " I and many others aren't anti vaxxers, just pro choice. Clearly you are in favour or some kind of divided society. Enjoy your dystopian world. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" This already exists in China and it doesn’t seem to work very well | |||
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"i have no objection in theory to the health passport if its what is needed to keep people safe (i kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school) but the vaccine would need to have free global access otherwise people without health insurance would be at a disadvantage i also have no objection in theory to a vaccine , but disagree with people that suggest it will be known to be safe once its available... its being rushed through and it will be known to be immediately safe, but given its a new disease and a new vaccine we won’t physically have had the time to monitor long term side effects if any if it gets released even in the next year or so time will tell if we repeatedly come in and out of waves of infection if it will be worth taking the risk of the unknown to get back to some sort of normality "kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school)" What a ridiculous statement to make. So the kids who can't have vaccines for medical reasons rather than their parents making informed choices should be uneducated? Both of which, in my opinion are both valid reasons for not being vaccinated. Its called choice. Which fortunately we still currently have. How about separate schools for the anti vaxxers kids to reduce the risk to others? I and many others aren't anti vaxxers, just pro choice. Clearly you are in favour or some kind of divided society. Enjoy your dystopian world. " I'm pro choice too. I choose not to be infected, is that a dystopia world. I choose people to be protected in work/school. You're choice ends where the next persons begin. | |||
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"i have no objection in theory to the health passport if its what is needed to keep people safe (i kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school) but the vaccine would need to have free global access otherwise people without health insurance would be at a disadvantage i also have no objection in theory to a vaccine , but disagree with people that suggest it will be known to be safe once its available... its being rushed through and it will be known to be immediately safe, but given its a new disease and a new vaccine we won’t physically have had the time to monitor long term side effects if any if it gets released even in the next year or so time will tell if we repeatedly come in and out of waves of infection if it will be worth taking the risk of the unknown to get back to some sort of normality "kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school)" What a ridiculous statement to make. So the kids who can't have vaccines for medical reasons rather than their parents making informed choices should be uneducated? Both of which, in my opinion are both valid reasons for not being vaccinated. Its called choice. Which fortunately we still currently have. How about separate schools for the anti vaxxers kids to reduce the risk to others? I and many others aren't anti vaxxers, just pro choice. Clearly you are in favour or some kind of divided society. Enjoy your dystopian world. " I'm not an anti vaxxer (had child vaccinations) But I am anti stupidity You'd have to be crazy to take this coronavirus vaccination. A safe vaccine takes many years to be developed and tested properly, not some fast tracked rubbish that's been knocked out in a few months with pharma companies being immune from prosecution for any injuries and deaths. | |||
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"what people AREN'T waking up to is that there is a recognized treatment for the Kung Flu/Wuhan Virus/Covid-19/Rona and its a prescribed course of hydroxychloroquine with zinc" Yes it's a successful drug that has been around for over 50 years. However it is very cheap so gets downplayed as there's not much profit in it. Other more expensive drugs get pushed instead, it's always about money and profits. | |||
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"what people AREN'T waking up to is that there is a recognized treatment for the Kung Flu/Wuhan Virus/Covid-19/Rona and its a prescribed course of hydroxychloroquine with zinc" It’s been proven not to work in multiple studies now. In fact, it increases your chance of death | |||
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"i have no objection in theory to the health passport if its what is needed to keep people safe (i kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school) but the vaccine would need to have free global access otherwise people without health insurance would be at a disadvantage i also have no objection in theory to a vaccine , but disagree with people that suggest it will be known to be safe once its available... its being rushed through and it will be known to be immediately safe, but given its a new disease and a new vaccine we won’t physically have had the time to monitor long term side effects if any if it gets released even in the next year or so time will tell if we repeatedly come in and out of waves of infection if it will be worth taking the risk of the unknown to get back to some sort of normality "kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school)" What a ridiculous statement to make. So the kids who can't have vaccines for medical reasons rather than their parents making informed choices should be uneducated? Both of which, in my opinion are both valid reasons for not being vaccinated. Its called choice. Which fortunately we still currently have. How about separate schools for the anti vaxxers kids to reduce the risk to others? I and many others aren't anti vaxxers, just pro choice. Clearly you are in favour or some kind of divided society. Enjoy your dystopian world. I'm not an anti vaxxer (had child vaccinations) But I am anti stupidity You'd have to be crazy to take this coronavirus vaccination. A safe vaccine takes many years to be developed and tested properly, not some fast tracked rubbish that's been knocked out in a few months with pharma companies being immune from prosecution for any injuries and deaths." The oxford vaccine has been being worked on for years. That’s why it’s able to go into human trials already. Luckily they were already working on something for a different coronavirus and simply repurposed and tweaked it a little. It has already passed all safety tests. Now we just need to wait for efficacy results - fingers crossed it prevents pneumonia and cykotine storms (which is what it aims to do, rather than preventing mild illness) It’s natural to be cautious - some deeper reading and understanding might help put your worries at ease. | |||
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"To beat a virus like covid-19 antibodie type won't work, so using a DNA altering drug. It works fine but not sure of long term effects, 10 to 20 years so go for it let us know how you get on. " What are you basing this on? | |||
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"i have no objection in theory to the health passport if its what is needed to keep people safe (i kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school) but the vaccine would need to have free global access otherwise people without health insurance would be at a disadvantage i also have no objection in theory to a vaccine , but disagree with people that suggest it will be known to be safe once its available... its being rushed through and it will be known to be immediately safe, but given its a new disease and a new vaccine we won’t physically have had the time to monitor long term side effects if any if it gets released even in the next year or so time will tell if we repeatedly come in and out of waves of infection if it will be worth taking the risk of the unknown to get back to some sort of normality "kind of agree with people that think even before covid that unvaccinated kids should be excluded from mainstream school)" What a ridiculous statement to make. So the kids who can't have vaccines for medical reasons rather than their parents making informed choices should be uneducated? Both of which, in my opinion are both valid reasons for not being vaccinated. Its called choice. Which fortunately we still currently have. How about separate schools for the anti vaxxers kids to reduce the risk to others? I and many others aren't anti vaxxers, just pro choice. Clearly you are in favour or some kind of divided society. Enjoy your dystopian world. I'm not an anti vaxxer (had child vaccinations) But I am anti stupidity You'd have to be crazy to take this coronavirus vaccination. A safe vaccine takes many years to be developed and tested properly, not some fast tracked rubbish that's been knocked out in a few months with pharma companies being immune from prosecution for any injuries and deaths." | |||
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"what people AREN'T waking up to is that there is a recognized treatment for the Kung Flu/Wuhan Virus/Covid-19/Rona and its a prescribed course of hydroxychloroquine with zinc" This was found not to work | |||
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"To beat a virus like covid-19 antibodie type won't work, so using a DNA altering drug. It works fine but not sure of long term effects, 10 to 20 years so go for it let us know how you get on. " Have you got 1 of these under development, or could you share the details of the credible literature that supports your assertion? As you'll know, from your research background, credible literature is all. | |||
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"To beat a virus like covid-19 antibodie type won't work, so using a DNA altering drug. It works fine but not sure of long term effects, 10 to 20 years so go for it let us know how you get on. Have you got 1 of these under development, or could you share the details of the credible literature that supports your assertion? As you'll know, from your research background, credible literature is all. "There's plenty of research going on and I wouldn't be surprised if they had a way but they're not allowed to test in humans. Google genetic engineering | |||
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"If your vaccinated, and for arguments sake the vaccine works, what have you got to fear from an unvaccinated person ? " They could be taking up a place in ICU if you or one of your family happen to need one | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" No that is communism | |||
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"And why would they be in an ICU ? " COULD !!!! not would | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" We have had to adhere to imposed conditions over the last few months so, in some respects, other restrictions to protect national health and wellbeing, follows a similar process. People have been unable to access countries before, where they have not had vaccinations, so there's form for this. A person would take a medical certificate as their proof of compliance, when places have imposed restrictions before. I'm uneasy imposing treatments against peoples' wishes and I'd hope that solutions will be found that keep people safe individually and en masse. | |||
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"it’s nice to know that your concerned That my family and I COULD end up in ICU But what do you have to fear from us, if you are vaccinated and we are not vaccinated ? " Hmmm let it sink in for a while | |||
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"what vaccine ? there isnt one. The question is, if there were, would you support it being legislated to a mandatory status ?" No way!! | |||
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"Interesting question but not a chance of it happening in the UK on human rights grounds. Personally think vaccination should be mandatory as its not just about my own health but everyone I come in contact with." That’s not true , you’re already refused entry into many countries without a yellow card. Human rights done before public heath as we’ve seen in Leicester the gov has power to easily remove rights to protect the wider population | |||
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"it’s nice to know that your concerned That my family and I COULD end up in ICU But what do you have to fear from us, if you are vaccinated and we are not vaccinated ? " Surely nothing if they are vaccinated?! Did I get that right? | |||
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"what vaccine ? there isnt one. The question is, if there were, would you support it being legislated to a mandatory status ? No way!! " Me either. | |||
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"An approach trialled in Denmark. Is the something you would support ? Should those without the vaccine/passport be restricted from shops, pubs, public transport ? Should restrictions include limited freedom of movement, i.e. cross county ?" There is no vaccine nor a long lasting immunity. Not sure what it is the benefit. Is it a Mr Trump 's idea, not based on science nor clinical relevance? | |||
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"I'm happy for easy personal access to vaccine data, for evidence if required to services. But not mandatory vaccines, which we all knew are not happening here. " I will be happy to have the vaccine. I will not be happy that someone who cannot have the vaccine for any reason has to share the medical reason with some third party business. | |||
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"Interesting question but not a chance of it happening in the UK on human rights grounds. Personally think vaccination should be mandatory as its not just about my own health but everyone I come in contact with." You are making assumptions. It is not yet known if someone who has been vaccinated can pass covid to another. No one yet knows how long a vaccine will protect the person vaccinated. Until both of these things are known mandatory vaccination cannot be contemplated | |||
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"Interesting question but not a chance of it happening in the UK on human rights grounds. Personally think vaccination should be mandatory as its not just about my own health but everyone I come in contact with. You are making assumptions. It is not yet known if someone who has been vaccinated can pass covid to another. No one yet knows how long a vaccine will protect the person vaccinated. Until both of these things are known mandatory vaccination cannot be contemplated" Mandatory vaccinations have already been ruled out by the Government, as have any sort of "covid passport" and to be fair it's really not required. There is a virtual tipping point in vaccinations where there are enough people with immunity to prevent any sort of epidemic from happening, the "Experts" suggest that as little as 50% of the population would be sufficient to really get back to normal. Cal | |||
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"it’s nice to know that your concerned That my family and I COULD end up in ICU But what do you have to fear from us, if you are vaccinated and we are not vaccinated ? " Firstly, no one will know for certain that they are protected because as is widely stated no vaccine is 100% effective. Secondly anyone who has been vaccinated can still passing the virus through touch, on clothing etc so if you had the virus and pass it to me I could then pass it on to a family member who hasn’t yet had the vaccine. According to the National Audit Office only 50% of the population will be offered the vaccine in 2021 so a lot of those under 50 are going to be vulnerable for a long time yet. | |||
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"According to the National Audit Office only 50% of the population will be offered the vaccine in 2021 so a lot of those under 50 are going to be vulnerable for a long time yet." Matt Hancock said bulk of over 50s will have been offered it by end of March | |||
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"According to the National Audit Office only 50% of the population will be offered the vaccine in 2021 so a lot of those under 50 are going to be vulnerable for a long time yet. Matt Hancock said bulk of over 50s will have been offered it by end of March" Did he specify a year? Not a cat in hells chance of jabbing 30m people having 2 jabs by next march. | |||
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"According to the NHS they expect to do 5000 jabs per day at each of their 50 mass vaccination centers. That would be 25 thousand jabs a day or 175 thousand a week, and this is not counting the GP's and other local vaccination centers. They also said that the number of jabs will increase when they get onto the second dose. 175 thousand per week is around 9 million a year. Cal" Rough numbers... There's about 25 to 30m over 50s....lets say 25m. 2 jabs per person.. 50m jabs by end of March... Which is 14 weeks away... So thats 3.5m per week to hit target. Don't get me wrong, it's progress that we have a vaccine and are delivering it. But also let's not underestimate what's involved getting it delivered effectively. And let's also not forget how long immunity is conferred for (is it 6 months?) so need to repeat it.... Like painting the golden Gate Bridge. | |||
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"According to the NHS they expect to do 5000 jabs per day at each of their 50 mass vaccination centers. That would be 25 thousand jabs a day or 175 thousand a week, and this is not counting the GP's and other local vaccination centers. They also said that the number of jabs will increase when they get onto the second dose. 20121 a good year for more than wines we hope.... 175 thousand per week is around 9 million a year. Cal Rough numbers... There's about 25 to 30m over 50s....lets say 25m. 2 jabs per person.. 50m jabs by end of March... Which is 14 weeks away... So thats 3.5m per week to hit target. Don't get me wrong, it's progress that we have a vaccine and are delivering it. But also let's not underestimate what's involved getting it delivered effectively. And let's also not forget how long immunity is conferred for (is it 6 months?) so need to repeat it.... Like painting the golden Gate Bridge. " I agre with what you are saying and also I feel i have to add that if efficy rate 90% . That is 9 out of 10 vaccined people taken out of the sickness and hospitalisation. I.E. more people at work, less pressure on National Health and a "potential" of less people having the virus and spreading it rather than passing it on due to contact to contact. I notice they haven't used the military yet in High numbers yet to help with the logistics at the sites. this should help reduce the NHS staff used for logistics and more on Vaccinating. | |||
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"If regards to the mandating, yes it has been said that governments wont mandate a vaccine, but that has not stopped them washing their hands of campanies who have decided to make proof of vaccine or negative test provision a mandatory element of company policy to access their service, whilst simultaneuously governments are washing their hands of companies who choose to do that saying it is their company and their decision, we are staying out of it. So yes, governments may not mandate proof of health, but they also wont stop companies who choose to mandate rpoof of health as part of their corporate policy. See Quantas, for starters. " Why would they? | |||
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"I'm assuming you're talking covid-19 vaccination? If so, I would not support it. Actually I'd join the movement against mandatory vaccination as I'm sure there would be one. Nothing worse than jumping on the vaccine that is not proven, not extensively tested, long term side affects not known and even the illness itself is not fully understood yet. New discoveries are coming out almost weekly. Basically saying...I'm not prepared to take the miniscule risk that a long term effect has not been discovered by expert scientists to protect a large portion of vulnerable people for your own selfish reasons. Fair enough. " What you say above does not make sense. | |||
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"According to the NHS they expect to do 5000 jabs per day at each of their 50 mass vaccination centers. That would be 25 thousand jabs a day or 175 thousand a week, and this is not counting the GP's and other local vaccination centers. They also said that the number of jabs will increase when they get onto the second dose. 20121 a good year for more than wines we hope.... 175 thousand per week is around 9 million a year. Cal Rough numbers... There's about 25 to 30m over 50s....lets say 25m. 2 jabs per person.. 50m jabs by end of March... Which is 14 weeks away... So thats 3.5m per week to hit target. Don't get me wrong, it's progress that we have a vaccine and are delivering it. But also let's not underestimate what's involved getting it delivered effectively. And let's also not forget how long immunity is conferred for (is it 6 months?) so need to repeat it.... Like painting the golden Gate Bridge. I agre with what you are saying and also I feel i have to add that if efficy rate 90% . That is 9 out of 10 vaccined people taken out of the sickness and hospitalisation. I.E. more people at work, less pressure on National Health and a "potential" of less people having the virus and spreading it rather than passing it on due to contact to contact. I notice they haven't used the military yet in High numbers yet to help with the logistics at the sites. this should help reduce the NHS staff used for logistics and more on Vaccinating. " If they are so bloody clever at creating vaccines why do they not create one that does not require repeating every six months. | |||
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"According to the NHS they expect to do 5000 jabs per day at each of their 50 mass vaccination centers. That would be 25 thousand jabs a day or 175 thousand a week, and this is not counting the GP's and other local vaccination centers. They also said that the number of jabs will increase when they get onto the second dose. 20121 a good year for more than wines we hope.... 175 thousand per week is around 9 million a year. Cal Rough numbers... There's about 25 to 30m over 50s....lets say 25m. 2 jabs per person.. 50m jabs by end of March... Which is 14 weeks away... So thats 3.5m per week to hit target. Don't get me wrong, it's progress that we have a vaccine and are delivering it. But also let's not underestimate what's involved getting it delivered effectively. And let's also not forget how long immunity is conferred for (is it 6 months?) so need to repeat it.... Like painting the golden Gate Bridge. I agre with what you are saying and also I feel i have to add that if efficy rate 90% . That is 9 out of 10 vaccined people taken out of the sickness and hospitalisation. I.E. more people at work, less pressure on National Health and a "potential" of less people having the virus and spreading it rather than passing it on due to contact to contact. I notice they haven't used the military yet in High numbers yet to help with the logistics at the sites. this should help reduce the NHS staff used for logistics and more on Vaccinating. If they are so bloody clever at creating vaccines why do they not create one that does not require repeating every six months. " Because that's not how your body works. Sometimes they are for life, sometimes they need boosters. If you want someone to blame, have an argument with your own body cells about why they won't play ball. | |||
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