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"Because the way there talking about how spreadable it is , it takes one person to restart it all again , I personally think we’re all gonna catch it / caught it .. and it’s down to the immune systems " I agree,if its herd immunity then it's 70% of the population get it,what percentage of that will die is not known, its pot luck unfortunately | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 04/07/20 10:22:25]" I agree unfortunately it ain't going away this is the new normal and we are stuck with it for the foreseeable future. | |||
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"According to this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53221435 Two thirds of the deaths are people with a disability." And that covers copd dementia ect all of which will lower you’re immune system | |||
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"When it all comes down to it we keep ourselves alive with technology and science beyond the times we would last anyway. If it was down to natural survival of the fittest the weak would die off and the stronger would survive. We have become used to having medical intervention to sort out our illnesses the majority of which are brought on by unhealthy diets and livings. A society that’s become addicted to fast foods and lazy lifestyles has made a lot of people weaker than they should be. But when it comes right down to it we make our own choices in life " . That makes a lot of sense to me. | |||
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It's going to be here no matter what, people that are vulnerable should be supported financially and they stay away from people that are going back to normal. If they chose to do their own thing like work, go out shopping etc then they should no longer be supported.
I know one person who hasn't been out during this whole lockdown period, they are classed as vulnerable and don't want to catch it. It has been hard for them but they've done the right thing. Other people that are seen as vulnerable haven't cared whether they catch it as they've been out doing whatever.
Control of the spread was put in place to not put a burden on the NHS so as long as those at risk continue to be responsible then the NHS will manage. | |||
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"When it all comes down to it we keep ourselves alive with technology and science beyond the times we would last anyway. If it was down to natural survival of the fittest the weak would die off and the stronger would survive. We have become used to having medical intervention to sort out our illnesses the majority of which are brought on by unhealthy diets and livings. A society that’s become addicted to fast foods and lazy lifestyles has made a lot of people weaker than they should be. But when it comes right down to it we make our own choices in life " Good point and this Pandemic will make us all have to rethink how we live our lives | |||
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"People who fear they are at risk of catching it and could die don't care what Boris has to say, they do the right thing and shield. Fed up with people saying they've received a letter so they don't have to shield any longer, why not? The virus is still about! Just because Boris has said so
It's going to be here no matter what, people that are vulnerable should be supported financially and they stay away from people that are going back to normal. If they chose to do their own thing like work, go out shopping etc then they should no longer be supported.
I know one person who hasn't been out during this whole lockdown period, they are classed as vulnerable and don't want to catch it. It has been hard for them but they've done the right thing. Other people that are seen as vulnerable haven't cared whether they catch it as they've been out doing whatever.
Control of the spread was put in place to not put a burden on the NHS so as long as those at risk continue to be responsible then the NHS will manage." | |||
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"When it all comes down to it we keep ourselves alive with technology and science beyond the times we would last anyway. If it was down to natural survival of the fittest the weak would die off and the stronger would survive. We have become used to having medical intervention to sort out our illnesses the majority of which are brought on by unhealthy diets and livings. A society that’s become addicted to fast foods and lazy lifestyles has made a lot of people weaker than they should be. But when it comes right down to it we make our own choices in life " This is very true. | |||
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. " Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices | |||
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices " I did watch the professor you were going on about in another post. Some insightful stuff. But the issue would be getting others to accept his opinion. | |||
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices I did watch the professor you were going on about in another post. Some insightful stuff. But the issue would be getting others to accept his opinion. " Others sugar coat it, iv listened to lots, he gives it straight,that's why I listen to him | |||
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices I did watch the professor you were going on about in another post. Some insightful stuff. But the issue would be getting others to accept his opinion. Others sugar coat it, iv listened to lots, he gives it straight,that's why I listen to him" Plus there is nothing to accept? It is what it is,there arnt conflicting views by 'experts' just different ways of getting the message across | |||
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices I did watch the professor you were going on about in another post. Some insightful stuff. But the issue would be getting others to accept his opinion. Others sugar coat it, iv listened to lots, he gives it straight,that's why I listen to him" One of the one's I watched, was him discussing the deliberate manufacture of diseases to establish a vaccine. The key issue was testing. Some pretty scary stuff they are playing with.  | |||
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices I did watch the professor you were going on about in another post. Some insightful stuff. But the issue would be getting others to accept his opinion. Others sugar coat it, iv listened to lots, he gives it straight,that's why I listen to him One of the one's I watched, was him discussing the deliberate manufacture of diseases to establish a vaccine. The key issue was testing. Some pretty scary stuff they are playing with. "Scary times sir, I like your posts you seem to listen to others opinions to make an informed reply | |||
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices I did watch the professor you were going on about in another post. Some insightful stuff. But the issue would be getting others to accept his opinion. Others sugar coat it, iv listened to lots, he gives it straight,that's why I listen to him One of the one's I watched, was him discussing the deliberate manufacture of diseases to establish a vaccine. The key issue was testing. Some pretty scary stuff they are playing with.
Scary times sir, I like your posts you seem to listen to others opinions to make an informed reply "Its happening and the virus is out there, no denying that. Its all down to individuals and how they manage themselves. It will be interesting to see in a weeks time what the stats will be. | |||
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices I did watch the professor you were going on about in another post. Some insightful stuff. But the issue would be getting others to accept his opinion. Others sugar coat it, iv listened to lots, he gives it straight,that's why I listen to him One of the one's I watched, was him discussing the deliberate manufacture of diseases to establish a vaccine. The key issue was testing. Some pretty scary stuff they are playing with.
Scary times sir, I like your posts you seem to listen to others opinions to make an informed reply
Its happening and the virus is out there, no denying that.
Its all down to individuals and how they manage themselves.
It will be interesting to see in a weeks time what the stats will be.
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices I did watch the professor you were going on about in another post. Some insightful stuff. But the issue would be getting others to accept his opinion. Others sugar coat it, iv listened to lots, he gives it straight,that's why I listen to him One of the one's I watched, was him discussing the deliberate manufacture of diseases to establish a vaccine. The key issue was testing. Some pretty scary stuff they are playing with.
Scary times sir, I like your posts you seem to listen to others opinions to make an informed reply
Its happening and the virus is out there, no denying that.
Its all down to individuals and how they manage themselves.
It will be interesting to see in a weeks time what the stats will be.
I think we or I, already know,rise in cases,just look at the US after all the protests"I will wait till the results are published before I make any assumption. I'm out this afternoon to the pub so will see how everyone conducts themselves including myself. I live in a big market town so the volume of customers will be far lower than those in the city's. | |||
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"I have seen here and other places that the holy grail would be an effective vaccine. I doubt if this is the most practical solution since even normal 'flu vaccine has to be a guesstimate of the likely strain of the virus. Usually right but there was a poor guess a couple of years ago. Finding an effective vaccine for Covid-19 would depend on it being stable, which is probably unlikely, though, I think, much is not yet known about how it operates. The results are clear though. I suspect younger people may develop a natural immunity so that it will become just another bug to have a sickie on (if they have a job that is). As a kind of parallel, initially HIV killed many people without a known cause. It took quite a number of lives and several years in the early to mid '80's for immunodeficiency, caused by the HIV virus, to be recognised. (Then there was the fight between the French and Americans what to call the virus, LAV and HTLV respectively which delayed studies but that is an aside.) In the early '90's a vaccine for HIV was promised but it might take ten years. They were wrong. However effective drugs became available which suppresses viral reproduction which is keeping people alive today who otherwise faces certain death. These drugs prevent the spread of HIV and now there are new drugs that inhibit infection. Personally, I think the search for an effective drug (which is happening I believe) is a much better option which would save lives of the more vulnerable in society. This would make the R number plummet and outbreaks would not lead to the 'whack-a-mole' lockdowns that we seem to have to suffer at the moment. Incidentally, I havn't heard anything about Porton Down and any research they may be doing - after all we seem to be talking about a war on Covid-19?" Porton Down are currently processing antibody tests for the NHS, also doing some interesting studies on insect repellant citridiol in how it breaks the coronavirus outer envelope, for a sanitisation product | |||
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"I thank everybody for thier concern, however I'm quite capable of making my own decisions regarding the pandemic. Yes!! Just give us the truth, be straight with us and we can make our own choices I did watch the professor you were going on about in another post. Some insightful stuff. But the issue would be getting others to accept his opinion. Others sugar coat it, iv listened to lots, he gives it straight,that's why I listen to him One of the one's I watched, was him discussing the deliberate manufacture of diseases to establish a vaccine. The key issue was testing. Some pretty scary stuff they are playing with.
Scary times sir, I like your posts you seem to listen to others opinions to make an informed reply
Its happening and the virus is out there, no denying that.
Its all down to individuals and how they manage themselves.
It will be interesting to see in a weeks time what the stats will be.
I think we or I, already know,rise in cases,just look at the US after all the protests
I will wait till the results are published before I make any assumption.
I'm out this afternoon to the pub so will see how everyone conducts themselves including myself.
I live in a big market town so the volume of customers will be far lower than those in the city's."I'm going pub later, haven't seen my best mate for nearly 3 months,be epic, be safe | |||
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" Porton Down are currently processing antibody tests for the NHS, also doing some interesting studies on insect repellant citridiol in how it breaks the coronavirus outer envelope, for a sanitisation product" Thanks for the info. I, and potentially 99,999 others, took part in a Covid-19 antibody survey on behalf of DHSC, Imperial College and Ipsos MORI. Plainly many strings to the bow. I hope that there won't be secrecy between organisations for purely selfish monetary reasons. | |||
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"And I wish they wouldn't say its 'peaked', peak means it's come to the end, the top, no more to go, this infection will rise and rise,its a long way off peaking, maybe another 2 years yet" Peak doesn't mean no more to come, it means it wont rise to the peak level again. It can go down and rise again to below the peak level. | |||
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"There are a lot of unknowns at the moment, so we can only make crude predictions for how things could become. About 140 teams are working on vaccines around the world. Some may be possible within few months. None may work out but it's a huge amount of development work. If we get a couple of them successfully trialled and available by next spring, with high enough take up of them, we could have herd immunity in a year or so time. Then it could be minimal changes to life, except for possibly a shot every few years to retain immunity. We will probably get more medicines that can treat it effectively as disease. We've started to get approval. The Dreamlab app, sponsored by Vodafone, is free for us all to use and it's evaluating meds as we speak, each time your mobile is charged. That's another of the many things that are being done, to look to create definite improvements, to save lives, make the illness milder or prevent infections. Apple and Android have a for download. We don't have to be passive and stay as victims. If we don't get a vaccine, it will roll on, with many peaks and troughs. If past infection prevents reinfection for a while, it will reduce the amount of people who can catch it. That will help it to remain a more minor problem. But, because we don't know too much yet, we have to wait and see how things go. " Wow, this is one of the most level headed comments i have read in a very long time. Do you work in the medical or science field by any chance? | |||
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"We are populated more densely. That's our problem Tho the world's problem too D" Tokyo has a population of 37 million yet Japan has only 20,000 cases and 1,000 deaths so the density theory doesn’t hold water. | |||
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"Yet places like the Isle of Man, New Zealand have beat the virus. Yet we see no end, in sight for beating it." New Zealands premier has conducted herself brilliantly in recent times and no surprise there that she has fought off this virus and partly achieved by the population out of respect for her and her achievements. Take Boris and his motley crew and this is why the UK has one of the worst records recorded. | |||
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"People who fear they are at risk of catching it and could die don't care what Boris has to say, they do the right thing and shield. Fed up with people saying they've received a letter so they don't have to shield any longer, why not? The virus is still about! Just because Boris has said so
It's going to be here no matter what, people that are vulnerable should be supported financially and they stay away from people that are going back to normal. If they chose to do their own thing like work, go out shopping etc then they should no longer be supported.
I know one person who hasn't been out during this whole lockdown period, they are classed as vulnerable and don't want to catch it. It has been hard for them but they've done the right thing. Other people that are seen as vulnerable haven't cared whether they catch it as they've been out doing whatever.
Control of the spread was put in place to not put a burden on the NHS so as long as those at risk continue to be responsible then the NHS will manage." | |||
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"Yet places like the Isle of Man, New Zealand have beat the virus. Yet we see no end, in sight for beating it. New Zealands premier has conducted herself brilliantly in recent times and no surprise there that she has fought off this virus and partly achieved by the population out of respect for her and her achievements. Take Boris and his motley crew and this is why the UK has one of the worst records recorded. " No argument here... fucking muppets  | |||
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"We are populated more densely. That's our problem Tho the world's problem too D Tokyo has a population of 37 million yet Japan has only 20,000 cases and 1,000 deaths so the density theory doesn’t hold water." Japan has also only tested 300,000 people in total. In addition to that they have played with their death figures to hide Covid deaths. Tokyo saw thousands of “unexplained” excess deaths in April (I don’t know the figures after that point). I do believe they’ve handled it well, but I wouldn’t trust their statistics at all. | |||
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"So are you gonna wait for a guy called Boris to tell you it’s finished ? ... we have to be precautious and weary at all times. But there won’t be a date to say that COVID Is over , it’s up to you at your own risk it’s your life at the end of the day." Correct. It’s here and it’s here to stay. It’s a virus and like other illnesses and ailments we will have to learn to live with it. If people want to hide indoors for the rest of their lives then that’s up to them. Some of us would like to make the most out of this new normality which everyday life will entail and will do so with gusto. | |||
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"That is right. I dont think it will ever be over, masks and distancing will be the the new norm maybe for 10 or more years to come." I think you will find the human race is a little more resilient than that. | |||
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"I heard a scientist on the radio today saying that his estimate is another 27,000 UK deaths between now and April 2021" I find that hard to believe. I think it will be much greater  We had a relatively small number of initial infected and that exploded to 44,000+ dead in a few months. We will likely start flu season with large numbers of already infected people and a full winter for the virus to explode. | |||
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"There has been a lot of countries with a more dense population than Britain who have handeled the Pandemic well. Different factors can be taken into account for how well a country deals with it. All factors considered the UK government has overseen a total shambles from the outset" Have they, or have they only delayed the unavoidable? The virus is still growing around the globe. Only time will tell. | |||
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Its actually mutating and weakening,
Deaths, hospitals, ICUs have all been on the decline dispite, beach invasions, riots and football celebrations.
No doubt they will try to class flu as covid though, these so called experts, I'm old enough to remember they predicted 44M deaths in march. | |||
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"I heard a scientist on the radio today saying that his estimate is another 27,000 UK deaths between now and April 2021 I find that hard to believe. I think it will be much greater We had a relatively small number of initial infected and that exploded to 44,000+ dead in a few months. We will likely start flu season with large numbers of already infected people and a full winter for the virus to explode. "Yes, I agree. | |||
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"There has been a lot of countries with a more dense population than Britain who have handeled the Pandemic well. Different factors can be taken into account for how well a country deals with it. All factors considered the UK government has overseen a total shambles from the outset Have they, or have they only delayed the unavoidable? The virus is still growing around the globe. Only time will tell." Just take a look at the way Japan, China, South Korea to name but 3 have handled it. Tokyo, a city of 37million.. No less crammed than London. So what did they do differently? And I'm not talking govt decision necessarily.. But how the population responded as well. Not disputing out govt could have done a lot better. | |||
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Its actually mutating and weakening,
Deaths, hospitals, ICUs have all been on the decline dispite, beach invasions, riots and football celebrations.
No doubt they will try to class flu as covid though, these so called experts, I'm old enough to remember they predicted 44M deaths in march. "They haven’t said it’s mutating and weakening. They’ve said that people in hospital aren’t as seriously ill as they were before. This is likely down to several factors - better treatments, lower viral loads and improved immune function during the summer months. The virus HAS mutated, but that mutation effects the spike proteins to make it more contagious (10 times more contagious than the original Wuhan strain). There’s no evidence that it’s become more or less deadly. | |||
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"There has been a lot of countries with a more dense population than Britain who have handeled the Pandemic well. Different factors can be taken into account for how well a country deals with it. All factors considered the UK government has overseen a total shambles from the outset Have they, or have they only delayed the unavoidable? The virus is still growing around the globe. Only time will tell. Just take a look at the way Japan, China, South Korea to name but 3 have handled it. Tokyo, a city of 37million.. No less crammed than London. So what did they do differently? And I'm not talking govt decision necessarily.. But how the population responded as well. Not disputing out govt could have done a lot better. " all those country that did it so well are all now suffering spikes and new outbreaks so lets not say how bad we've coped just yet ... and no im not a tory | |||
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"There has been a lot of countries with a more dense population than Britain who have handeled the Pandemic well. Different factors can be taken into account for how well a country deals with it. All factors considered the UK government has overseen a total shambles from the outset Have they, or have they only delayed the unavoidable? The virus is still growing around the globe. Only time will tell. Just take a look at the way Japan, China, South Korea to name but 3 have handled it. Tokyo, a city of 37million.. No less crammed than London. So what did they do differently? And I'm not talking govt decision necessarily.. But how the population responded as well. Not disputing out govt could have done a lot better. all those country that did it so well are all now suffering spikes and new outbreaks so lets not say how bad we've coped just yet ... and no im not a tory "Yep! As someone pointed out to me earlier today - the countries that have “done well” also had the less contagious strain of the virus (the Mediterranean version we had is 10 times more contagious). So it could be luck for them at the moment, and things could change as soon as that strain hits them. | |||
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"There has been a lot of countries with a more dense population than Britain who have handeled the Pandemic well. Different factors can be taken into account for how well a country deals with it. All factors considered the UK government has overseen a total shambles from the outset Have they, or have they only delayed the unavoidable? The virus is still growing around the globe. Only time will tell. Just take a look at the way Japan, China, South Korea to name but 3 have handled it. Tokyo, a city of 37million.. No less crammed than London. So what did they do differently? And I'm not talking govt decision necessarily.. But how the population responded as well. Not disputing out govt could have done a lot better. all those country that did it so well are all now suffering spikes and new outbreaks so lets not say how bad we've coped just yet ... and no im not a tory "Yes that's true. I guess it's a marathon and we are only just off the start line. Let's hope they are wrong and we can dodge a massive second spike | |||
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"Scientists on the radio
Its actually mutating and weakening,
Deaths, hospitals, ICUs have all been on the decline dispite, beach invasions, riots and football celebrations.
No doubt they will try to class flu as covid though, these so called experts, I'm old enough to remember they predicted 44M deaths in march.
They haven’t said it’s mutating and weakening. They’ve said that people in hospital aren’t as seriously ill as they were before. This is likely down to several factors - better treatments, lower viral loads and improved immune function during the summer months.
The virus HAS mutated, but that mutation effects the spike proteins to make it more contagious (10 times more contagious than the original Wuhan strain). There’s no evidence that it’s become more or less deadly."Actually they have said it's more contagious but that strain research suggests is LESS likely to result in severe symptoms. It is usual for the more contagious viruses to be less lethal... | |||
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"That is right. I dont think it will ever be over, masks and distancing will be the the new norm maybe for 10 or more years to come." Talk about scare mongering, Spanish flu which killed over 50 million lasted under two years as a pandemic, cannot see how something that is significantly less deadly will result in cultural restrictions for over 10 years. | |||
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"If we all make our own choices - it will lead to selfish decisions and more than necessary will die. Peaking relates to the first wave peak - if we get a second wave, it may be a peak or a bump, hard to guess. Covid-19 is here to stay, read the typhoid mary story if you think otherwise. Herd immunity is currently the only way out of this, til we have a vaccine. Many will not even know they have it, many will have symptoms, some will die, but we have to keep the R rate low, to prevent overwhelming the nhs, in order to keep our ability to treat ALL who develop more severe symptoms to minimise the numbers who die. But, we cannot sacrifice our economy or education, so we have to get balance between it all. Then there’s going to be Covid-20..... And it will all start again, unless a generic vaccine is found. Finally, I have no idea what Winter is going to look like, traditionally flu season.... Keep safe and distant everyone x " Well said... | |||
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"Scientists on the radio
Its actually mutating and weakening,
Deaths, hospitals, ICUs have all been on the decline dispite, beach invasions, riots and football celebrations.
No doubt they will try to class flu as covid though, these so called experts, I'm old enough to remember they predicted 44M deaths in march.
They haven’t said it’s mutating and weakening. They’ve said that people in hospital aren’t as seriously ill as they were before. This is likely down to several factors - better treatments, lower viral loads and improved immune function during the summer months.
The virus HAS mutated, but that mutation effects the spike proteins to make it more contagious (10 times more contagious than the original Wuhan strain). There’s no evidence that it’s become more or less deadly.
Actually they have said it's more contagious but that strain research suggests is LESS likely to result in severe symptoms. It is usual for the more contagious viruses to be less lethal... "I hope so  | |||
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"Scientists on the radio
Its actually mutating and weakening,
Deaths, hospitals, ICUs have all been on the decline dispite, beach invasions, riots and football celebrations.
No doubt they will try to class flu as covid though, these so called experts, I'm old enough to remember they predicted 44M deaths in march.
They haven’t said it’s mutating and weakening. They’ve said that people in hospital aren’t as seriously ill as they were before. This is likely down to several factors - better treatments, lower viral loads and improved immune function during the summer months.
The virus HAS mutated, but that mutation effects the spike proteins to make it more contagious (10 times more contagious than the original Wuhan strain). There’s no evidence that it’s become more or less deadly.
Actually they have said it's more contagious but that strain research suggests is LESS likely to result in severe symptoms. It is usual for the more contagious viruses to be less lethal... "The research I saw said the reason people are getting less ill is because of lower viral loads due to distancing (eg people are now only being exposed to the virus once, instead of multiple prolonged times). That seems much more logical - because the virus hasn’t mutated at all since it arrived in the U.K. the mutations they’re speaking of happened before it left Wuhan for the Mediterranean | |||
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"There's only one known strain of this Coronavirus. Some countries have been less impacted by quick responses in terms of lockdowns, testing and tracing from the start. Corona _ased viruses are known for being stable and slow mutating. Most virus cases are disproportionately spread. USA and Brazil between them have just under half of all active cases worldwide. 60% to 70% of all new cases are in 7 or 8 countries. It's spread has been helped by how dysfunctional the world is. It's a prime example of what happens when countries don't work together. " This | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! " Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals." Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. " so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want | |||
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"When it all comes down to it we keep ourselves alive with technology and science beyond the times we would last anyway. If it was down to natural survival of the fittest the weak would die off and the stronger would survive. We have become used to having medical intervention to sort out our illnesses the majority of which are brought on by unhealthy diets and livings. A society that’s become addicted to fast foods and lazy lifestyles has made a lot of people weaker than they should be. But when it comes right down to it we make our own choices in life Good point and this Pandemic will make us all have to rethink how we live our lives" No it won't, as long we can meet up to shag, have football and get bladdered in the pub things are back to normal...... | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want" We've been warned for years another pandemic was coming - plus further human encroachment into previously wild areas is leading to increases in transmission of viruses from wild animals to humans - there is no need to think this was engineered - mother nature is quite able to do this on her own. | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want We've been warned for years another pandemic was coming - plus further human encroachment into previously wild areas is leading to increases in transmission of viruses from wild animals to humans - there is no need to think this was engineered - mother nature is quite able to do this on her own. " This, no idea why people think Covid is any different to any new virus which cone along just like Abola, HIV, Spanish flu, the plague | |||
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"Because the way there talking about how spreadable it is , it takes one person to restart it all again , I personally think we’re all gonna catch it / caught it .. and it’s down to the immune systems I agree,if its herd immunity then it's 70% of the population get it,what percentage of that will die is not known, its pot luck unfortunately " i heard a scientist model if we did nothing and waited for herd immunity. Try telling someone who lost both of their parents and other friends and family that herd immunity is the only way forward and desired by the country. Then it's like lives don't matter anymore and only survival of the fittest  | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want We've been warned for years another pandemic was coming - plus further human encroachment into previously wild areas is leading to increases in transmission of viruses from wild animals to humans - there is no need to think this was engineered - mother nature is quite able to do this on her own. This, no idea why people think Covid is any different to any new virus which cone along just like Abola, HIV, Spanish flu, the plague " Because many feel safer if we can lay the blame at someone’s doorstep! | |||
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"Because the way there talking about how spreadable it is , it takes one person to restart it all again , I personally think we’re all gonna catch it / caught it .. and it’s down to the immune systems I agree,if its herd immunity then it's 70% of the population get it,what percentage of that will die is not known, its pot luck unfortunately i heard a scientist model if we did nothing and waited for herd immunity. Try telling someone who lost both of their parents and other friends and family that herd immunity is the only way forward and desired by the country. Then it's like lives don't matter anymore and only survival of the fittest "Sadly thats what happens in a pandemic, a balance has to be made between protecting the vulnerable and destroying the economy and the mental wellbeing of the whole population. I think we loose site that people die all the time and with the death rate now below what is average for the time of year its is time to start rebuilding the country. | |||
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"The quicker we get used to the fact it’s here, it’s not going anywhere , and we should all get on with our lives the better. The media has run the world, and that explains the over reaction and irrational fear that has gripped the world. People die of terrible things every day, but the media doesn’t make a frenzy out of it, so we largely ignore it. The after shock of the damage we have inflicted on the global economy and the mental health of the populus will have a far harder impact on our lives than the virus. It’s time to grow and backbone and focus on what we can control, not what we can’t. " With countering any claim, it may be valid when there's evidence, rather than opinion | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want You can think what you want just don't spread unfounded romours. Otherwise your as bad as the flat earthers, anti vaccers and G5 loonies " Conspiracy theories are crazy, but I do think there’s a grain of truth in the virus being intentionally allowed to spread. I don’t think it was intentionally created or “set free”, but I definitely believe once it was loose in China, the government allowed it to freely spread around the world intentionally as an attempt to misdirect everyone and allow them to blame other countries (initially blaming the Military Games held in Wuhan, November 2019). The next question is - why didn’t they want the world to know they had an outbreak of a virus? | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want You can think what you want just don't spread unfounded romours. Otherwise your as bad as the flat earthers, anti vaccers and G5 loonies Conspiracy theories are crazy, but I do think there’s a grain of truth in the virus being intentionally allowed to spread. I don’t think it was intentionally created or “set free”, but I definitely believe once it was loose in China, the government allowed it to freely spread around the world intentionally as an attempt to misdirect everyone and allow them to blame other countries (initially blaming the Military Games held in Wuhan, November 2019). The next question is - why didn’t they want the world to know they had an outbreak of a virus?" I don't think they allowed it to spread intentionaly, I mean they have had significant lockdowns to stop the spread. There maybe some truth in the fact that didn't tell the world initially at first, either because they didn't fully understand the severity or like we saw with other communist states it would have some weakness bit like the Russians with chynobal. The problem with all diseases really is by the time you know you have a problem it's too late. | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want You can think what you want just don't spread unfounded romours. Otherwise your as bad as the flat earthers, anti vaccers and G5 loonies Conspiracy theories are crazy, but I do think there’s a grain of truth in the virus being intentionally allowed to spread. I don’t think it was intentionally created or “set free”, but I definitely believe once it was loose in China, the government allowed it to freely spread around the world intentionally as an attempt to misdirect everyone and allow them to blame other countries (initially blaming the Military Games held in Wuhan, November 2019). The next question is - why didn’t they want the world to know they had an outbreak of a virus?" China sees itself as proud and strong country. The Government probably hid news of the virus as they didn't want to seem weak and potentially be embarrassed on the world stage. Dictatorships usually want to be seen as big and strong with no weaknesses exposed, through the fear that it could perceive them to be weak by the masses and lead to their eventually downfall. It's all about hanging on the reigns of power at all costs. | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want We've been warned for years another pandemic was coming - plus further human encroachment into previously wild areas is leading to increases in transmission of viruses from wild animals to humans - there is no need to think this was engineered - mother nature is quite able to do this on her own. This, no idea why people think Covid is any different to any new virus which cone along just like Abola, HIV, Spanish flu, the plague " And there has now been a case of bubonic plague.... In China. | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want You can think what you want just don't spread unfounded romours. Otherwise your as bad as the flat earthers, anti vaccers and G5 loonies Conspiracy theories are crazy, but I do think there’s a grain of truth in the virus being intentionally allowed to spread. I don’t think it was intentionally created or “set free”, but I definitely believe once it was loose in China, the government allowed it to freely spread around the world intentionally as an attempt to misdirect everyone and allow them to blame other countries (initially blaming the Military Games held in Wuhan, November 2019). The next question is - why didn’t they want the world to know they had an outbreak of a virus? I don't think they allowed it to spread intentionaly, I mean they have had significant lockdowns to stop the spread. There maybe some truth in the fact that didn't tell the world initially at first, either because they didn't fully understand the severity or like we saw with other communist states it would have some weakness bit like the Russians with chynobal. The problem with all diseases really is by the time you know you have a problem it's too late. " They locked down between 2 and 3 months after doctors first informed the government of the virus spreading in the community, and only after news had spread all over social media and made international headlines. They tried their hardest to suppress the information and continued to allow residents to leave all over the world. They would know the impact that would have. | |||
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"Curious. Are the dating sites and places like plenty of fish advising against meeting? D Not to my knowledge, I haven't seen any warnings. But they are dating sites, not swinging sites. There's a difference. " Not really.. There is a lot of promiscuous sex going on plenty of fish I've heard can be as kinky as the swinging and fetish sites. Also a lot of people are looking for special 1-1s here. We are poly for example. You're still not really meant to be intimate with someone not in your household 0r another house.. D | |||
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"I think this virus was let out deliberate world wide to cause chaos and a social experiment, to control our already controlled lives, as usual the government and the powerful who control this world create a problem then we as usual look at them for a solution and are prepaired to sacrife anything for them to save us and they look like the heroes. I do believe the virus is real but who really planted it there only they in control know the truth. Tinfoil hat at the ready. You'll be saying it was spread by 5G next. Why would the rich and powerful want to destroy the world's economy, they have nothing to benefit just loose billions. You've been reading far to many conspiracy theories I think! Not really, I do have a mind of my own and if you are happy to be spoon fed rubbish that is up to you, each to their own as they say intellectually minded is what separates us from each other and animals. Spouting unfounded comments isn't intellectually minded. Being intellectually minded in looking at actual evidence and coming to a balanced conclusion _ased on that evidence. You provide no evidence what so ever just outlandish claims _ased on what your hunch. Throughout history pretty much every 100 years there's is a significant world wide pandemic. That is what we're seeing. You can argue that the response has been inadequate or over the top etc but claim it was released on purpose as a soical experiment is just bonkers. so I am bonkers? A matter of your opinion is not my opinion to what I think & is not valid in your eyes, so what, think what you want and I'll think what I want We've been warned for years another pandemic was coming - plus further human encroachment into previously wild areas is leading to increases in transmission of viruses from wild animals to humans - there is no need to think this was engineered - mother nature is quite able to do this on her own. This, no idea why people think Covid is any different to any new virus which cone along just like Abola, HIV, Spanish flu, the plague And there has now been a case of bubonic plague.... In China. " There's approximately 300 cases of plague reported every year. Not really a biggy and very easy to treat. It's just media sensationalism. | |||
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