FabSwingers.com forum: Is it time to reasses

By *riar Belisse OP Woman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

China have found a mutated swine flu virus in their livestock pig population that can transmit to humans, but is not transferable human to human yet. surely it's time to look at making big changes in meat production and exportation habits

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

manchester

Worrying as this maybe another pandamic

Many other potential pandamic they may not just impact young

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

manchester

Sorry may not just impact old

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely. We should have been doing so long since, from environmental and welfare perspectives, too. Factory farms have no place in a healthy, sustainable food chain.

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"But who cares, the pubs are open on Saturday".

Self preservation is the best route at the moment.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Just when you think 2020 couldn’t get any better up pops China with a super flu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""But who cares, the pubs are open on Saturday".

Self preservation is the best route at the moment.

Yeah

Slap some more burgers and sausages on the bbq

Who gives a damn how theyre produced

I'm alright Jack

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Kill all the cats bats and pigs before they get us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just saw this on news....along with pics/film of pork prep in China.....from what I saw, if that was current, they have learned nothing from Wuhan....no attempt at hygiene!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just saw this on news....along with pics/film of pork prep in China.....from what I saw, if that was current, they have learned nothing from Wuhan....no attempt at hygiene!!"

Do you think our food production procedures are without incident or issue?

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

""But who cares, the pubs are open on Saturday".

Self preservation is the best route at the moment.

Yeah

Slap some more burgers and sausages on the bbq

Who gives a damn how theyre produced

I'm alright Jack"

Oh aye cant beat a BBQ.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""But who cares, the pubs are open on Saturday".

Self preservation is the best route at the moment.

Yeah

Slap some more burgers and sausages on the bbq

Who gives a damn how theyre produced

I'm alright Jack

Oh aye cant beat a BBQ.

Indeed

Anyone for a can of Stella and a super tasty steak?

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

""But who cares, the pubs are open on Saturday".

Self preservation is the best route at the moment.

Yeah

Slap some more burgers and sausages on the bbq

Who gives a damn how theyre produced

I'm alright Jack

Oh aye cant beat a BBQ.

Indeed

Anyone for a can of Stella and a super tasty steak?"

Not mad for Stella. I'm more in favour of the Scottish Council reserve.....Tenants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The main cause of the animal to human spread has laregly been the farming industry.

Bat to animal to human is the most likely cause.

China's wet markets are also atrocious for any hygiene standards, washing freshly culled meat in the same water that was used to de feather the bird, everyone handling everything, animal droppings everywhere.

The CCP have a lot of interest in making China attractive to tourism, but they choose to go down the route of propoganda and exploitation of labour rather than actually enforcing any standards or investing in infrastructure that will reduce this.

So don't expect this to end any time soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the mass markets and exports that I find worrying, needs a return to more traditional methods

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Yes, this is time to reassess, but where a minority are able to make extra profit by buying foodstuffs from abroad, the rest of us have no chance.

We have plenty of food capacity in this country but we still buy runner beans from Kenya and will be buying unlabelled, bleached chicken from the US.

When future generations look back at this time they will see that greed almost wiped us out.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We should be having a thorough assessment of our lifestyles and this must include food production, our interaction and management of wildlife and damage to wild areas, amongst other things. A race to return to how things were is myopic.

Intensive factory farming of a small number of species is a major weakness for the world. Still wanting the trade deal with the USA, that imposes their standards on to us?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps we should all become vegan.

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By *llabouttheladyMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

"Perhaps we should all become vegan. "

I'd rather dice with death in Wuhan

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"We should be having a thorough assessment of our lifestyles and this must include food production, our interaction and management of wildlife and damage to wild areas, amongst other things. A race to return to how things were is myopic.

Intensive factory farming of a small number of species is a major weakness for the world. Still wanting the trade deal with the USA, that imposes their standards on to us?

Do buy all organic british grown food and nothing that comes from abroad? People say they want that but vote with their wallet, factory farming round the world is the response from consumer demand. Grain prices are the same as the 70's milk as the 90's. Is it any wonder there are issues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps we should all become vegan. "

No chance I’d rather take my chances with the pandemics than turn to twigs nuts and berry’s

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"China have found a mutated swine flu virus in their livestock pig population that can transmit to humans, but is not transferable human to human yet. surely it's time to look at making big changes in meat production and exportation habits"

Let's just reassess this...the virus has the "potential" to pass to human contact but it has not yet.

That said this not the first time China has had a mass pork infection.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Huangpu_River_dead_pigs_incident

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"Perhaps we should all become vegan. "

Or perhaps not.

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By *riar Belisse OP Woman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

Let's just reassess this...the virus has the "potential" to pass to human contact but it has not yet.

That said this not the first time China has had a mass pork infection.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Huangpu_River_dead_pigs_incident"

No. pigs have already infected humans. But a human has not infected another human yet.

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

We shouldn't be eating animal products in this day and age. Completely unnecessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't have said it better myself ! I don't eat meat, but I totally support anyone who does. Just asking for proper standards and regulations for live stock. Treat them with more respect and we will cull the spread of dangerous diseases

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

"We shouldn't be eating animal products in this day and age. Completely unnecessary."

Give up a rare fillet steak? No chance!!!

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

https://youtu.be/XZxzJGgox_E

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

Let's just reassess this...the virus has the "potential" to pass to human contact but it has not yet.

That said this not the first time China has had a mass pork infection.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Huangpu_River_dead_pigs_incident

No. pigs have already infected humans. But a human has not infected another human yet."

So it zoonosis?

I did think it had reached that mutation yet.

https://youtu.be/IBA5jUgs2GY

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By *riar Belisse OP Woman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

Let's just reassess this...the virus has the "potential" to pass to human contact but it has not yet.

That said this not the first time China has had a mass pork infection.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Huangpu_River_dead_pigs_incident

No. pigs have already infected humans. But a human has not infected another human yet.

So it zoonosis?

I did think it had reached that mutation yet.

https://youtu.be/IBA5jUgs2GY"

Yes zoonosis.

It's a genetic descendant of H1N1/09. The 2009 swine flu pandemic. so time will tell if it changes and becomes human transmissable

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Let's just reassess this...the virus has the "potential" to pass to human contact but it has not yet.

That said this not the first time China has had a mass pork infection.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Huangpu_River_dead_pigs_incident

No. pigs have already infected humans. But a human has not infected another human yet.

So it zoonosis?

I did think it had reached that mutation yet.

https://youtu.be/IBA5jUgs2GY

Yes zoonosis.

It's a genetic descendant of H1N1/09. The 2009 swine flu pandemic. so time will tell if it changes and becomes human transmissable "
For such a modern state the need to get a grip of these problems all the recent virus's seem to come from Chine must b a filthy unhygenic place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe. Maybe not - this kind of thing has been happening for thousands of years. The only thing is people are extra sensitive and shocked about it now because of the current situation. I don’t believe the current outbreak has anything to do with food manufacturing or markets.

Best thing we can do to protect ourselves is implement new technology (in the home) to detect new infections as they arise and stamp them out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's just reassess this...the virus has the "potential" to pass to human contact but it has not yet.

That said this not the first time China has had a mass pork infection.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Huangpu_River_dead_pigs_incident

No. pigs have already infected humans. But a human has not infected another human yet.

So it zoonosis?

I did think it had reached that mutation yet.

https://youtu.be/IBA5jUgs2GY

Yes zoonosis.

It's a genetic descendant of H1N1/09. The 2009 swine flu pandemic. so time will tell if it changes and becomes human transmissable For such a modern state the need to get a grip of these problems all the recent virus's seem to come from Chine must b a filthy unhygenic place.

China has 1.4 billion people, is one of the most visited countries on the planet, covers an enormous landmass and it’s rural population are in much greater contact with wildlife than us (farmers, fishermen, villagers, market stalls). That’s the reason why it’s connected to so many major events and outbreaks.

I wouldn’t go so far as to call the whole country a “filthy unhygienic place” - it’s just different. (Though during my visits there I did see some Unhygienic things that we definitely wouldn’t do here).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The route of the problem is both global warming, damaging habitats and forcing animals into closer contact with each other causing more viruses to jump from one animal to another, plus the size of the world population but more pressure on food production.

We need governments to take the lead on the first of those, but the second means more safe sex lol

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Wherever there is farming there will be animal to human contact and the chance of disease spread. Always has been. But now the problem is massively amplified by industrial scale farming and rapid transport. In the days when a farmer had just a few animals that he would come into contact with, there was far less chance of him picking up an infection than when he might directly or indirectly come into contact with thousands of animals. And previously if the farmer did pick up an infection, the number of people he might pass it to would be limited by the distances between villages. Small pockets of diseases might start, but mostly the rapid killing viruses never got a chance to spread beyond a small radius. Now of course we get tourists that visit a Wuhan market in the morning, and by the evening they are 10,000 miles away, having come into contact with a thousand people along the way.

The sheer number of people we have now that need feeding means we can't return to small scale farming. So what we may be forced to do is reduce unnecessary long distance travel. Do business by zoom. Take your holiday at least on the same continent, if not country, if not stay within your own county! As number of travellers shrinks, the cost of travel will increase anyway. We may see intercontinental holidays priced beyond ordinary people; flights to the US only once a week, all seats first class at £10,000 a ticket.

Or maybe there will be some other solution.

One thing is clear, the world cannot afford just in sheer economic terms to have pandemic 2. Money speaks, so things will change somehow or other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The route of the problem is both global warming, damaging habitats and forcing animals into closer contact with each other causing more viruses to jump from one animal to another, plus the size of the world population but more pressure on food production.

We need governments to take the lead on the first of those, but the second means more safe sex lol"

The route of the problem is too many humans. I would dare say that viruses are a natural part of the planet and have existed for as long as we have. There’s nothing we can do to prevent them - and the fact we’re all so connected and over populated is the issue.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

The new version of swine flu CAN NOT be transmitted to humans. The expert who announced the discovery suggested that it is "a possibility" that this virus "could" mutate into a form that "might" infect humans. This was only brought up because he was asked if it could pass to people.

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"Wherever there is farming there will be animal to human contact and the chance of disease spread. Always has been. But now the problem is massively amplified by industrial scale farming and rapid transport. In the days when a farmer had just a few animals that he would come into contact with, there was far less chance of him picking up an infection than when he might directly or indirectly come into contact with thousands of animals. And previously if the farmer did pick up an infection, the number of people he might pass it to would be limited by the distances between villages. Small pockets of diseases might start, but mostly the rapid killing viruses never got a chance to spread beyond a small radius. Now of course we get tourists that visit a Wuhan market in the morning, and by the evening they are 10,000 miles away, having come into contact with a thousand people along the way.

Or maybe there will be some other solution.

One thing is clear, the world cannot afford just in sheer economic terms to have pandemic 2. Money speaks, so things will change somehow or other."

Areospace is a multi billion dollar industry tied to defence.

Have you seen how much America spends on defence?

Total up ever other government American departments budget... Yeah still not even close to the defence budget.

Areospace isn't going anywhere nor are airlines or international travel.

Planes might become smaller (bye bye airbus a380) they will become more efficient

And intercontinental travel may take a hit for a while

By 2022 you'll see airlines back to capacity albeit with smaller but newer and more efficient fleets.

Airlines adjust their fleet sizes regularly and after big events such as 9/11, the 08 crisis, volcano Ash cloud and whatever we are calling this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

perfect.jusy in time for the roll out of lab grown meat.

i wonde what chemicals goes into that.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Perhaps we should all become vegan. "

ermmm nope

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