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" What do people think about that.. " Well personally I'm not going on with the charade that covid19 is the kind of threat worthy of rearranging our lives around. The ONS has a measure that the media refuses to talk about, it's "contribution to difference in life expectancy". The elephant in the hospital is that a 14 year old dying is worse than a 40 year old dying, and a 40 year old is worse than an 80 year old dying. The ONS measure is basically looking at how many years off their life expectancy did it take. The answer for covid19, on average, is fuck all. Life expectancy is 79 for a man and 83 for a woman here. Heart disease and cancers, that's what actually takes most people out before their time. I find it bizarre how we're falling over ourselves to try and avoid covid19 whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. Takeaways are open and gyms are closed, but they are looking out for our health - give me a fucking break. | |||
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"whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. " Because everyone was excercising SO much before they had 3-4 months off with nothing to do BUT excercise. It never stops astonishing me how much people with low to no information are happy to just see everything with a one sided view because they'd rather jump to a safe easy conclusion than put the work in to figure out what's going on. What conspiracy of the BBC or the government is it going to be this week from you I wonder. | |||
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"I like Chris Witty, I think he's been honest and upfront since the beginning. He was also asked yesterday about what he was most worried about, he said that he was worried that people wouldn't respond to the track and trace if they are contacted. He's right, I don't think people will isolate if they are contacted "I think you maybe correct. People may not afford to take the time off or if they don’t feel the symptoms not care. | |||
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"Let's just ignore the countless collateral damage from people who recovered but were stuck on a ventilator, may have permanent lung damage, been isolated from their friends and family for up to 6 weeks whilst in hospital. It's all so convienient of course that you ignore the fact that all these deaths and severe illnesses are from the lockdown being in place, and that you've paid zero attention to what it would be like had there been none at all. But of course reading a book on critical thought is considered unnesesary. You've got some conspiracy blogs and 5 minutes on google to inform you of everything. whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. Because everyone was excercising SO much before they had 3-4 months off with nothing to do BUT excercise. It never stops astonishing me how much people with low to no information are happy to just see everything with a one sided view because they'd rather jump to a safe easy conclusion than put the work in to figure out what's going on. What conspiracy of the BBC or the government is it going to be this week from you I wonder." Gosh I cringe so hard when people live in the country with the 4th highest body count per 1m and still think lockdown was a success.  | |||
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"Let's just ignore the countless collateral damage from people who recovered but were stuck on a ventilator, may have permanent lung damage, been isolated from their friends and family for up to 6 weeks whilst in hospital. It's all so convienient of course that you ignore the fact that all these deaths and severe illnesses are from the lockdown being in place, and that you've paid zero attention to what it would be like had there been none at all. But of course reading a book on critical thought is considered unnesesary. You've got some conspiracy blogs and 5 minutes on google to inform you of everything. whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. Because everyone was excercising SO much before they had 3-4 months off with nothing to do BUT excercise. It never stops astonishing me how much people with low to no information are happy to just see everything with a one sided view because they'd rather jump to a safe easy conclusion than put the work in to figure out what's going on. What conspiracy of the BBC or the government is it going to be this week from you I wonder. Gosh I cringe so hard when people live in the country with the 4th highest body count per 1m and still think lockdown was a success. "Gee maybe it would be lower if people actually followed the advice instead of calling it a charade that isn't worth rearranging their life for and not giving a fuck if someones grandad gets sick. | |||
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"Let's just ignore the countless collateral damage from people who recovered but were stuck on a ventilator, may have permanent lung damage, been isolated from their friends and family for up to 6 weeks whilst in hospital. It's all so convienient of course that you ignore the fact that all these deaths and severe illnesses are from the lockdown being in place, and that you've paid zero attention to what it would be like had there been none at all. But of course reading a book on critical thought is considered unnesesary. You've got some conspiracy blogs and 5 minutes on google to inform you of everything. whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. Because everyone was excercising SO much before they had 3-4 months off with nothing to do BUT excercise. It never stops astonishing me how much people with low to no information are happy to just see everything with a one sided view because they'd rather jump to a safe easy conclusion than put the work in to figure out what's going on. What conspiracy of the BBC or the government is it going to be this week from you I wonder. Gosh I cringe so hard when people live in the country with the 4th highest body count per 1m and still think lockdown was a success.
Gee maybe it would be lower if people actually followed the advice instead of calling it a charade that isn't worth rearranging their life for and not giving a fuck if someones grandad gets sick. "Except the compliance with lockdown is actually higher than what imperial college assumed so that isn't the problem. It's just the scapegoat the lockdown lovers have come up with to avoid the truth. You don't give a fuck about grandad, you're fine if someone dies of cancer instead. | |||
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"Let's just ignore the countless collateral damage from people who recovered but were stuck on a ventilator, may have permanent lung damage, been isolated from their friends and family for up to 6 weeks whilst in hospital. It's all so convienient of course that you ignore the fact that all these deaths and severe illnesses are from the lockdown being in place, and that you've paid zero attention to what it would be like had there been none at all. But of course reading a book on critical thought is considered unnesesary. You've got some conspiracy blogs and 5 minutes on google to inform you of everything. whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. Because everyone was excercising SO much before they had 3-4 months off with nothing to do BUT excercise. It never stops astonishing me how much people with low to no information are happy to just see everything with a one sided view because they'd rather jump to a safe easy conclusion than put the work in to figure out what's going on. What conspiracy of the BBC or the government is it going to be this week from you I wonder. Gosh I cringe so hard when people live in the country with the 4th highest body count per 1m and still think lockdown was a success.
Gee maybe it would be lower if people actually followed the advice instead of calling it a charade that isn't worth rearranging their life for and not giving a fuck if someones grandad gets sick.
Except the compliance with lockdown is actually higher than what imperial college assumed so that isn't the problem. It's just the scapegoat the lockdown lovers have come up with to avoid the truth. You don't give a fuck about grandad, you're fine if someone dies of cancer instead. "No, I'm afraid you don't get to tell me that I don't care about lives lost, I care about every single one, I'm not the one that openly admitted it on a public forum that they didn't give a fuck about the dead cause they had no respect for lockdown anymore. Any lives lost are terrible, but it's people that keep thinking they the rules don't apply to them, or they'll be fine if they just sneak out and do xyz that are prolonging lockdown, they are the ones that mean the NHS is still having to delay operations, they are the ones that mean people can't get the treatment they need and ultimately, it is their selfish arrogance that is costing lives. | |||
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"Let's just ignore the countless collateral damage from people who recovered but were stuck on a ventilator, may have permanent lung damage, been isolated from their friends and family for up to 6 weeks whilst in hospital. It's all so convienient of course that you ignore the fact that all these deaths and severe illnesses are from the lockdown being in place, and that you've paid zero attention to what it would be like had there been none at all. But of course reading a book on critical thought is considered unnesesary. You've got some conspiracy blogs and 5 minutes on google to inform you of everything. whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. Because everyone was excercising SO much before they had 3-4 months off with nothing to do BUT excercise. It never stops astonishing me how much people with low to no information are happy to just see everything with a one sided view because they'd rather jump to a safe easy conclusion than put the work in to figure out what's going on. What conspiracy of the BBC or the government is it going to be this week from you I wonder. Gosh I cringe so hard when people live in the country with the 4th highest body count per 1m and still think lockdown was a success.
Gee maybe it would be lower if people actually followed the advice instead of calling it a charade that isn't worth rearranging their life for and not giving a fuck if someones grandad gets sick.
Except the compliance with lockdown is actually higher than what imperial college assumed so that isn't the problem. It's just the scapegoat the lockdown lovers have come up with to avoid the truth. You don't give a fuck about grandad, you're fine if someone dies of cancer instead.
No, I'm afraid you don't get to tell me that I don't care about lives lost, I care about every single one, I'm not the one that openly admitted it on a public forum that they didn't give a fuck about the dead cause they had no respect for lockdown anymore. Any lives lost are terrible, but it's people that keep thinking they the rules don't apply to them, or they'll be fine if they just sneak out and do xyz that are prolonging lockdown, they are the ones that mean the NHS is still having to delay operations, they are the ones that mean people can't get the treatment they need and ultimately, it is their selfish arrogance that is costing lives."absolutely spot on  | |||
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"Let's just ignore the countless collateral damage from people who recovered but were stuck on a ventilator, may have permanent lung damage, been isolated from their friends and family for up to 6 weeks whilst in hospital. It's all so convienient of course that you ignore the fact that all these deaths and severe illnesses are from the lockdown being in place, and that you've paid zero attention to what it would be like had there been none at all. But of course reading a book on critical thought is considered unnesesary. You've got some conspiracy blogs and 5 minutes on google to inform you of everything. whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. Because everyone was excercising SO much before they had 3-4 months off with nothing to do BUT excercise. It never stops astonishing me how much people with low to no information are happy to just see everything with a one sided view because they'd rather jump to a safe easy conclusion than put the work in to figure out what's going on. What conspiracy of the BBC or the government is it going to be this week from you I wonder. Gosh I cringe so hard when people live in the country with the 4th highest body count per 1m and still think lockdown was a success.
Gee maybe it would be lower if people actually followed the advice instead of calling it a charade that isn't worth rearranging their life for and not giving a fuck if someones grandad gets sick.
Except the compliance with lockdown is actually higher than what imperial college assumed so that isn't the problem. It's just the scapegoat the lockdown lovers have come up with to avoid the truth. You don't give a fuck about grandad, you're fine if someone dies of cancer instead.
No, I'm afraid you don't get to tell me that I don't care about lives lost, I care about every single one, I'm not the one that openly admitted it on a public forum that they didn't give a fuck about the dead cause they had no respect for lockdown anymore. Any lives lost are terrible, but it's people that keep thinking they the rules don't apply to them, or they'll be fine if they just sneak out and do xyz that are prolonging lockdown, they are the ones that mean the NHS is still having to delay operations, they are the ones that mean people can't get the treatment they need and ultimately, it is their selfish arrogance that is costing lives.
It's just your ignorance and naive belief that nobody would die if we all stay home. All you are doing is moving the deaths from a group of people who would mostly have died in 2020 anyway, to a group that wouldn't. Some people just can't accept hard choices.
Likewise, you don't get to tell me that I don't care about lives lost just because I can admit that I'd rather an 80 year old died with covid19 than a 50 year old died of cancer and yes those are your fucking choices in the real world.
Bollocks, if people stopped moving around, sneaking out, just popping in for 5 minutes, the lockdown could have been shorter, I have never said no one would die, but less would have. The pain on the economy would have been less, the NHS would be able to treat more people and people wouldn't have to be making the choice between an 80 year old and a 50 year old cause some arse wouldn't have transmitted it to the 80 year old and the 50 year old would still be able to get treatment. I'm prepared to change my lifestyle and expectations so that someone's beloved grandad doesn't die, if you don't give a shit, cause they most likely would have died in 2020 anyway, then I hope you remember those words when your 80, and someone that could have saved you just by putting up with a little inconvenience for a while, comes in and tells you, sorry, you're nearly past it anyway and there is a really good football match on this weekend, see ya."Last reply to you because you never actually have any facts or evidence to your assertions so it's tiresome. This time last year, 254,182 people had died. 317,280 have died this year. Even if I add every single case that they've dreamed of associating to covid19 to the 2019 figures, there are still 14,232 people more dead this year. In short, lockdown saved absolutely nobody and wrecked the economy. Congratulations.  | |||
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"Let's just ignore the countless collateral damage from people who recovered but were stuck on a ventilator, may have permanent lung damage, been isolated from their friends and family for up to 6 weeks whilst in hospital. It's all so convienient of course that you ignore the fact that all these deaths and severe illnesses are from the lockdown being in place, and that you've paid zero attention to what it would be like had there been none at all. But of course reading a book on critical thought is considered unnesesary. You've got some conspiracy blogs and 5 minutes on google to inform you of everything. whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. Because everyone was excercising SO much before they had 3-4 months off with nothing to do BUT excercise. It never stops astonishing me how much people with low to no information are happy to just see everything with a one sided view because they'd rather jump to a safe easy conclusion than put the work in to figure out what's going on. What conspiracy of the BBC or the government is it going to be this week from you I wonder. Gosh I cringe so hard when people live in the country with the 4th highest body count per 1m and still think lockdown was a success.
Gee maybe it would be lower if people actually followed the advice instead of calling it a charade that isn't worth rearranging their life for and not giving a fuck if someones grandad gets sick.
Except the compliance with lockdown is actually higher than what imperial college assumed so that isn't the problem. It's just the scapegoat the lockdown lovers have come up with to avoid the truth. You don't give a fuck about grandad, you're fine if someone dies of cancer instead.
No, I'm afraid you don't get to tell me that I don't care about lives lost, I care about every single one, I'm not the one that openly admitted it on a public forum that they didn't give a fuck about the dead cause they had no respect for lockdown anymore. Any lives lost are terrible, but it's people that keep thinking they the rules don't apply to them, or they'll be fine if they just sneak out and do xyz that are prolonging lockdown, they are the ones that mean the NHS is still having to delay operations, they are the ones that mean people can't get the treatment they need and ultimately, it is their selfish arrogance that is costing lives.
It's just your ignorance and naive belief that nobody would die if we all stay home. All you are doing is moving the deaths from a group of people who would mostly have died in 2020 anyway, to a group that wouldn't. Some people just can't accept hard choices.
Likewise, you don't get to tell me that I don't care about lives lost just because I can admit that I'd rather an 80 year old died with covid19 than a 50 year old died of cancer and yes those are your fucking choices in the real world.
Bollocks, if people stopped moving around, sneaking out, just popping in for 5 minutes, the lockdown could have been shorter, I have never said no one would die, but less would have. The pain on the economy would have been less, the NHS would be able to treat more people and people wouldn't have to be making the choice between an 80 year old and a 50 year old cause some arse wouldn't have transmitted it to the 80 year old and the 50 year old would still be able to get treatment. I'm prepared to change my lifestyle and expectations so that someone's beloved grandad doesn't die, if you don't give a shit, cause they most likely would have died in 2020 anyway, then I hope you remember those words when your 80, and someone that could have saved you just by putting up with a little inconvenience for a while, comes in and tells you, sorry, you're nearly past it anyway and there is a really good football match on this weekend, see ya.
Last reply to you because you never actually have any facts or evidence to your assertions so it's tiresome.
This time last year, 254,182 people had died. 317,280 have died this year. Even if I add every single case that they've dreamed of associating to covid19 to the 2019 figures, there are still 14,232 people more dead this year. In short, lockdown saved absolutely nobody and wrecked the economy. Congratulations. "Well done for providing a figure that proves nothing, without lockdown no one knows how many would have died except it would have been more, which pretty much every sensible health organisation globally agrees. Don't forget, no one gets their cancer operation if the surgeon got Covid and died. I've spent too much time this year trying to console dear friends who have watched colleagues who used work at a hospital become a Covid patient and ultimately get carried out in a box from the place they used to try to save lives in. | |||
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"That's just the way the so called health experts roll, economy blind living in their own little test tubes,making grand gestures that won't effect their lifestyle, totally unaware of folks businesses being crashed up against the wall and the millions of folks who are now unemployed. " **“That's just the way the so called health experts roll....”** But that’s exactly how health experts are ‘supposed’ to roll. Their speciality is to give advice on health matters; the economy doesn’t have to be on the forefront of their minds. The same way some economists will give advise about the economy without thinking about the health issues and implications. It is up to the politicians to create the balance between health and the economy, and that’s why it is the politicians that make the final decision on these matters. | |||
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"Im one of the high risk groups and got told to stay in for 12 weeks ,but ive been out every day spent time with friends ,been to the beach, had barbecue with friends for my birthday, and ive not got covid19, oh i also work in nhs .." Good for you but plenty of people doing what you have done have caught it , spread it and kept cases and deaths higher than they would have been had people followed the rules. Hope you are proud of yourself. Also, working for NHS. I presume not working directly with covid patients...In which case, pointless comment. | |||
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"If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either..." Whether there will be a second wave or spike; I don’t know, as I don’t have a crystal ball. Anyway those scenarios you cited about the protesters and the beach were all outdoor events where the risk of transmission is low. Transmission is greater indoors, so now that we will be meeting in pubs and restaurants social distancing will need to be adhered to. | |||
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"Im one of the high risk groups and got told to stay in for 12 weeks ,but ive been out every day spent time with friends ,been to the beach, had barbecue with friends for my birthday, and ive not got covid19, oh i also work in nhs .." Superspreader.......just joking. You're Tinkerbell, you're the specialist fairy of all. No virus will harm you. Thanks for your work xxx | |||
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" What do people think about that.. Well personally I'm not going on with the charade that covid19 is the kind of threat worthy of rearranging our lives around. The ONS has a measure that the media refuses to talk about, it's "contribution to difference in life expectancy". The elephant in the hospital is that a 14 year old dying is worse than a 40 year old dying, and a 40 year old is worse than an 80 year old dying. The ONS measure is basically looking at how many years off their life expectancy did it take. The answer for covid19, on average, is fuck all. Life expectancy is 79 for a man and 83 for a woman here. Heart disease and cancers, that's what actually takes most people out before their time. I find it bizarre how we're falling over ourselves to try and avoid covid19 whilst stubbornly refusing to make far easier changes that would reduce heart disease and cancers. Takeaways are open and gyms are closed, but they are looking out for our health - give me a fucking break." What a lot of drivel Not even worth commenting on | |||
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"I like Chris Witty, I think he's been honest and upfront since the beginning. He was also asked yesterday about what he was most worried about, he said that he was worried that people wouldn't respond to the track and trace if they are contacted. He's right, I don't think people will isolate if they are contacted "Yeah I think this could be a big problem, take countries like China where the population is very regimented and follow 'orders' then even you get New Zealand who follow advice because they have respect for their government. Take Britain and a lot of the population have a 'fuck you I'm all right Jack' attitude, this is why this country is fucked. Also much of this attitude manifests itself down to the chaotic handling handing of the British government | |||
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"Im one of the high risk groups and got told to stay in for 12 weeks ,but ive been out every day spent time with friends ,been to the beach, had barbecue with friends for my birthday, and ive not got covid19, oh i also work in nhs .." Loving your attitude!!! | |||
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"To all of you that are scared of your own shadow ,i had the virus in January and im dammed if im going to let a virus beat me ,ive had a lot worse and beat it ,life is for living and that is what im doing ,,, " “..... i had the virus in January....” Even though you said earlier that you didn’t get it. One wonders whether anything you’ve said so far should be taken with any degree of seriousness. | |||
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"To all of you that are scared of your own shadow ,i had the virus in January and im dammed if im going to let a virus beat me ,ive had a lot worse and beat it ,life is for living and that is what im doing ,,, " So you've had the antibody test, because as far as I'm aware the virus wasn't here in January. | |||
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"To all of you that are scared of your own shadow ,i had the virus in January and im dammed if im going to let a virus beat me ,ive had a lot worse and beat it ,life is for living and that is what im doing ,,, " You have contradicted an earlier comment by saying you didnt have covid now you say you ve had it . | |||
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"To all of you that are scared of your own shadow ,i had the virus in January and im dammed if im going to let a virus beat me ,ive had a lot worse and beat it ,life is for living and that is what im doing ,,, " Well said that lady .... I’ve done the same as you too I’m still alive and I work with mental health services in the community ... and I’m afraid our clients from day 1 never stuck to the rules  | |||
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"To all of you that are scared of your own shadow ,i had the virus in January and im dammed if im going to let a virus beat me ,ive had a lot worse and beat it ,life is for living and that is what im doing ,,, “..... i had the virus in January....” Even though you said earlier that you didn’t get it. One wonders whether anything you’ve said so far should be taken with any degree of seriousness. " exactly this | |||
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