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"Not sure if this is closer to comedy or tragedy. Definitely stupidity. " Yea I'm going with dark comedy lol | |||
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"No different to those covidiots protesting " Bit different | |||
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"No different to those covidiots protesting Bit different" Oh I forgot.. those Morons protesting have invisible Covid shields.. | |||
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"No different to those covidiots protesting Bit different Oh I forgot.. those Morons protesting have invisible Covid shields.. " I see | |||
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"No different to those covidiots protesting Bit different" Very much different | |||
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"No different to those covidiots protesting Bit different Very much different " Not you again... | |||
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"No different to those covidiots protesting Bit different" No. | |||
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"No different to those covidiots protesting Bit different Very much different Not you again..." Still kicking off arguments and pretending to be the one who is hurt? | |||
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"Organises a no social distancing tournament....catches Covid. No shit Sherlock! That bit him in the arse good style!" Advantage Covid.....will Djokovic recover? | |||
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"No different to those covidiots protesting Bit different Very much different Not you again... Still kicking off arguments and pretending to be the one who is hurt? " Ignore each other please | |||
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"No different to those covidiots protesting Bit different Very much different Not you again... Still kicking off arguments and pretending to be the one who is hurt? Ignore each other please" Delighted to do so | |||
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it? " Is it ? So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune I suggest caution at ridicule Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging | |||
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it? Is it ? So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune I suggest caution at ridicule Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging " No one knows if or for how long catching the virus makes you immmune. He may get sick yet. He has admitted he was stupid. | |||
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it? Is it ? So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune I suggest caution at ridicule Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging No one knows if or for how long catching the virus makes you immmune. He may get sick yet. He has admitted he was stupid." As you say no one , no one , absolutely no one knows Holding A position either way is based upon stuff no one knows I did not say I condone his actions I suggested caution in condemning them vehemently that there are other quite valid perspectives | |||
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it? Is it ? So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune I suggest caution at ridicule Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging No one knows if or for how long catching the virus makes you immmune. He may get sick yet. He has admitted he was stupid. As you say no one , no one , absolutely no one knows Holding A position either way is based upon stuff no one knows I did not say I condone his actions I suggested caution in condemning them vehemently that there are other quite valid perspectives " there is actually a suggestion coming out of a study in china (so take it for what its worth) that the milder your experience with Covid is.... the shorter time the antibodies you have last if you have me agree with Nick Kyrgios, who called all the tennis players "boneheads" and he is suppose to be the mental aussie, then we know 2020 is a weird place.... actually the irony in the anti vaxxer getting it... then possibly getting it again because of his anti vaxxer beliefs is just setting off all my irony alarms at chez _abio!!! | |||
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it? Is it ? So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune I suggest caution at ridicule Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging " With you there brother. I'm still pretty new to these forums but there seem to be industrial quantities of schadenfreude in most threads. | |||
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it? Is it ? So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune I suggest caution at ridicule Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging " What about all the people he gave it to that may not be as strong as an ox like him Food for thought or is he just is a selfish cunt really | |||
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it? Is it ? So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune I suggest caution at ridicule Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging What about all the people he gave it to that may not be as strong as an ox like him Food for thought or is he just is a selfish cunt really " Have you ever wondered how many deaths you are directly responsible for in the past for not a, avoiding a virus and b, then continuing with your life Food for thought x | |||
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"He is Serbian. They are very strong willed people and have a history of upsetting the rest of the world. He is obviously not very different. " Is that not also A trait shared by SOME English,Welsh,Scottish, Irish, French, Italian, Russian , infact some humans generally ??? The average fab response to the question " do you care what others think " Is usually " I could not give a flying fuck what others think" | |||
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"He is Serbian. They are very strong willed people and have a history of upsetting the rest of the world. He is obviously not very different. " He is Serbian therefore........ He is from Jamaica therefore...... He is from ........ Hmmmmm | |||
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"As for anti vaccine This from the BBC Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus. Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus. This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19. New approach Not tried tested understood New approach Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ??? " None of what you said shows you understand what was reported | |||
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"As for anti vaccine This from the BBC Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus. Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus. This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19. New approach Not tried tested understood New approach Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ??? " Couldnt agree more | |||
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"As for anti vaccine This from the BBC Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus. Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus. This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19. New approach Not tried tested understood New approach Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ??? None of what you said shows you understand what was reported " Ok thank you could you articulate what part I have mis understood Dont think I mis understood that it was a new approach? Dont think I mis understood that the RNA they have built did not exist before cov sars2 Dont think I mis understood that RNA that (self amplifies) ie uses human cells to replicate is a virus I'm perfectly aware they have been experimenting with virus administered genes and other techniques for a while Experimenting. Learning I understand scientific method for understanding Does not mean everything human scientists produce are robust The anti anti vaccers have a valid point that past vaccines have been illustrated to be tatistically safe and robust This does not have the safety credentials yet Now regardless of whether you know more or are indeed correct about my understanding your argument of "Your wrong cos I say you are" Has not yet convinced me I'm perfectly open to being given reasoning that illustrates why I mis understood the meaning of new untested human developed viral vaccine ? | |||
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it? Is it ? So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune I suggest caution at ridicule Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging With you there brother. I'm still pretty new to these forums but there seem to be industrial quantities of schadenfreude in most threads. " Doubt he can freely hug his mum. While he might not get infected again himself (as yet unproven) he may well still potentially be a vector. His skin and clothing could act as surfaces to collect and transfer viable viruses. | |||
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"As for anti vaccine This from the BBC Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus. Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus. This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19. New approach Not tried tested understood New approach Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ??? None of what you said shows you understand what was reported Ok thank you could you articulate what part I have mis understood Dont think I mis understood that it was a new approach? Dont think I mis understood that the RNA they have built did not exist before cov sars2 Dont think I mis understood that RNA that (self amplifies) ie uses human cells to replicate is a virus I'm perfectly aware they have been experimenting with virus administered genes and other techniques for a while Experimenting. Learning I understand scientific method for understanding Does not mean everything human scientists produce are robust The anti anti vaccers have a valid point that past vaccines have been illustrated to be tatistically safe and robust This does not have the safety credentials yet Now regardless of whether you know more or are indeed correct about my understanding your argument of "Your wrong cos I say you are" Has not yet convinced me I'm perfectly open to being given reasoning that illustrates why I mis understood the meaning of new untested human developed viral vaccine ? " It's actually really difficult to understand what you're trying to articulate, maybe English isn't your first language? But I'll attempt to address your points. - a mRNA vaccine does not code for a virus, it codes for the S-protein in this case (which all current vaccine candidates are targeting). So you end up with an antigen protein against which the body can mount an immune response. - they have not made a new virus, they have identified from SARS-2 genome what codes for the specific antigen and are using this that's all. You copied this yourself from the BBC yet came to the conclusion it meant an actual virus! - they have the potential of being safer as you're not having to deal with attenuated or even live virus vaccines - of course there are 'no safety credentials', it's early days and why clinical trials are being performed to the highest standards of GCP and declaration of Helsinki, etc. - if this treatment isn't robust enough or demonstrate its primary objective in the trials it will likely not make it any further without revision, at which point it'll start at the beginning again. - Unless you've signed up for the trial, you will not be injected within 4 months of development. It is at phase 1 at the moment, we need to get to phase 3 at least before we know if it's a viable option - to prefer to catch a potentially life threatening virus over a vaccine that will be thoroughly tested is just a big wow! - the approach is maybe 20 years old, it's just that we haven't had the technology or know how to keep mRNA stable enough for vaccines, and we still may not dependent on the results of the studies | |||
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"As for anti vaccine This from the BBC Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus. Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus. This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19. New approach Not tried tested understood New approach Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ??? None of what you said shows you understand what was reported Ok thank you could you articulate what part I have mis understood Dont think I mis understood that it was a new approach? Dont think I mis understood that the RNA they have built did not exist before cov sars2 Dont think I mis understood that RNA that (self amplifies) ie uses human cells to replicate is a virus I'm perfectly aware they have been experimenting with virus administered genes and other techniques for a while Experimenting. Learning I understand scientific method for understanding Does not mean everything human scientists produce are robust The anti anti vaccers have a valid point that past vaccines have been illustrated to be tatistically safe and robust This does not have the safety credentials yet Now regardless of whether you know more or are indeed correct about my understanding your argument of "Your wrong cos I say you are" Has not yet convinced me I'm perfectly open to being given reasoning that illustrates why I mis understood the meaning of new untested human developed viral vaccine ? It's actually really difficult to understand what you're trying to articulate, maybe English isn't your first language? But I'll attempt to address your points. - a mRNA vaccine does not code for a virus, it codes for the S-protein in this case (which all current vaccine candidates are targeting). So you end up with an antigen protein against which the body can mount an immune response. - they have not made a new virus, they have identified from SARS-2 genome what codes for the specific antigen and are using this that's all. You copied this yourself from the BBC yet came to the conclusion it meant an actual virus! - they have the potential of being safer as you're not having to deal with attenuated or even live virus vaccines - of course there are 'no safety credentials', it's early days and why clinical trials are being performed to the highest standards of GCP and declaration of Helsinki, etc. - if this treatment isn't robust enough or demonstrate its primary objective in the trials it will likely not make it any further without revision, at which point it'll start at the beginning again. - Unless you've signed up for the trial, you will not be injected within 4 months of development. It is at phase 1 at the moment, we need to get to phase 3 at least before we know if it's a viable option - to prefer to catch a potentially life threatening virus over a vaccine that will be thoroughly tested is just a big wow! - the approach is maybe 20 years old, it's just that we haven't had the technology or know how to keep mRNA stable enough for vaccines, and we still may not dependent on the results of the studies" Apart from the side swipe at my language origin that was beautifully articulated thank you I especially liked the emphasis on "thoroughly tested" It seems despite your attempt to be condescending we have an accord I clearly said I'd prefer to take my chances with covid than an "untested" vaccine I also said I'm an advocate of vaccines As you clearly perfectly illustrate this is still an experimental approach will the potential to be safer not evidently so I think the statistics would be in my favour if I were infected The reality is statistically I most like will be or have been infected before a safe vaccination But keeping it civil thank you for an insight to how the new approach is hypothetically supposed to work in humans And regardless of your denial they are using RNA that replicates into a shell That's still a virus | |||
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"As for anti vaccine This from the BBC Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus. Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus. This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19. New approach Not tried tested understood New approach Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ??? None of what you said shows you understand what was reported Ok thank you could you articulate what part I have mis understood Dont think I mis understood that it was a new approach? Dont think I mis understood that the RNA they have built did not exist before cov sars2 Dont think I mis understood that RNA that (self amplifies) ie uses human cells to replicate is a virus I'm perfectly aware they have been experimenting with virus administered genes and other techniques for a while Experimenting. Learning I understand scientific method for understanding Does not mean everything human scientists produce are robust The anti anti vaccers have a valid point that past vaccines have been illustrated to be tatistically safe and robust This does not have the safety credentials yet Now regardless of whether you know more or are indeed correct about my understanding your argument of "Your wrong cos I say you are" Has not yet convinced me I'm perfectly open to being given reasoning that illustrates why I mis understood the meaning of new untested human developed viral vaccine ? It's actually really difficult to understand what you're trying to articulate, maybe English isn't your first language? But I'll attempt to address your points. - a mRNA vaccine does not code for a virus, it codes for the S-protein in this case (which all current vaccine candidates are targeting). So you end up with an antigen protein against which the body can mount an immune response. - they have not made a new virus, they have identified from SARS-2 genome what codes for the specific antigen and are using this that's all. You copied this yourself from the BBC yet came to the conclusion it meant an actual virus! - they have the potential of being safer as you're not having to deal with attenuated or even live virus vaccines - of course there are 'no safety credentials', it's early days and why clinical trials are being performed to the highest standards of GCP and declaration of Helsinki, etc. - if this treatment isn't robust enough or demonstrate its primary objective in the trials it will likely not make it any further without revision, at which point it'll start at the beginning again. - Unless you've signed up for the trial, you will not be injected within 4 months of development. It is at phase 1 at the moment, we need to get to phase 3 at least before we know if it's a viable option - to prefer to catch a potentially life threatening virus over a vaccine that will be thoroughly tested is just a big wow! - the approach is maybe 20 years old, it's just that we haven't had the technology or know how to keep mRNA stable enough for vaccines, and we still may not dependent on the results of the studies Apart from the side swipe at my language origin that was beautifully articulated thank you I especially liked the emphasis on "thoroughly tested" It seems despite your attempt to be condescending we have an accord I clearly said I'd prefer to take my chances with covid than an "untested" vaccine I also said I'm an advocate of vaccines As you clearly perfectly illustrate this is still an experimental approach will the potential to be safer not evidently so I think the statistics would be in my favour if I were infected The reality is statistically I most like will be or have been infected before a safe vaccination But keeping it civil thank you for an insight to how the new approach is hypothetically supposed to work in humans And regardless of your denial they are using RNA that replicates into a shell That's still a virus " You'd have to be insane to take this fast tracked vaccine. No one is going to want it. | |||
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