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"I think England rather than the other nations has accepted an accelerated second wave come October. " I've read about this too, it's gonna be awful in so many ways - flu season, wet/cold weather for queuing outside of shops and so near to Christmas meaning more isolation for elderly people 
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"I get a sense of impotent outrage when people brush past me in Sainsbury’s but what can you do? " Stay at home ? | |||
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"I get a sense of impotent outrage when people brush past me in Sainsbury’s but what can you do? Stay at home ?" Need ma shopping and don’t want to take up a valuable delivery slot. Just have to get on with it and suck it up. I try and be responsible. | |||
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"It's been a joke from the beginning. Large groups on the sea front playing football, drinking, groups of mum's with toddlers. You try keeping your distance when out or in the shops, you got no chance. How many parties , raves, demos have you seen with poli e present and nothing done.. On here your still bombarded with mainly single fellas wanting to meet, giveing some bullshit about being immune, safe or any old rubbish to get a meet. As couples are you really going to meet the one with no regard to their or your health, when this is over? The lockdown is now a farce,, like it's been all àlong." Fully agree with this but not help by the media in my opinion. Seems to be often young people flounting the rules and if the media had said something, maybe their parents would have given them grief as it is their grandparents who they are putting at most risk... | |||
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"It's been a joke from the beginning. Large groups on the sea front playing football, drinking, groups of mum's with toddlers. You try keeping your distance when out or in the shops, you got no chance. How many parties , raves, demos have you seen with poli e present and nothing done.. On here your still bombarded with mainly single fellas wanting to meet, giveing some bullshit about being immune, safe or any old rubbish to get a meet. As couples are you really going to meet the one with no regard to their or your health, when this is over? The lockdown is now a farce,, like it's been all àlong." Totally agree the kids on the seafront here are walking around in groups of 15 to 20 no social distancing but their parents don't want their little treasures to go to school because it's not safe. Well it would safer for the older people who are trying to dodge them all day when out for a walk. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. " And yet cases and deaths continue to fall. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. " You're right and it is never even mentioned by the press or media. I know there are thankfully other things happening than Covid-19 but it can't be a coincidence that no media outlet mentions the ignoring of social distancing. At the very least they should be highlighting the consequences and what it may or may not be doing to the spread of the virus. And if genuinely it is having a limited effect on the spread, then question why anyone is bothering with the intrusive social distancing. (I personally feel it is more luck than judgement but it's worth a news story surely) | |||
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"The only bottlers are the cowards screaming for more lockdown ... " Cowards for not wanting to spread or catch a potentially lethal disease...? | |||
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"I think England rather than the other nations has accepted an accelerated second wave come October. I've read about this too, it's gonna be awful in so many ways - flu season, wet/cold weather for queuing outside of shops and so near to Christmas meaning more isolation for elderly people
From a purely selfish point of view I've just booked some winter sun too "Oh dear good luck with that planes are full opf germs anyway. | |||
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"The only bottlers are the cowards screaming for more lockdown ... Cowards for not wanting to spread or catch a potentially lethal disease...? " Maybe because we are not murderers | |||
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"The only bottlers are the cowards screaming for more lockdown ... Cowards for not wanting to spread or catch a potentially lethal disease...? " Potentially lethal ? The chances of death are 0.05% that's roughly the same as being killed in a car crash. Where's the spike in cases and deaths from 7 weeks ago when people flocked to the beaches ? | |||
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"The WHO yesterday reported a record increase in new world wide COVID-19 cases in a 24-hour period. Several countries are reporting new spikes, rising R numbers and areas are going back into lockdown. Meanwhile, Boris is reducing social distancing guidelines, doing a U turn on his quarantine plans for visitors from other countries, and excelerating plans to open up cinemas etc. Personally I will be sticking with social distancing as much as possible for a good while yet. " Accelerating even | |||
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"In the meat factories the dumbasses work in." You are calling key workers in a food factory doing a hazardous job dumbasses ? | |||
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"The WHO yesterday reported a record increase in new world wide COVID-19 cases in a 24-hour period. Several countries are reporting new spikes, rising R numbers and areas are going back into lockdown. Meanwhile, Boris is reducing social distancing guidelines, doing a U turn on his quarantine plans for visitors from other countries, and excelerating plans to open up cinemas etc. Personally I will be sticking with social distancing as much as possible for a good while yet. " Yes that would seem to be a fairly common sense approach. | |||
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"... The lockdown is now a farce,, like it's been all àlong." It hasn't been a farce. Those who ignored the lock down were a calculated risk. The lifting of the lock down, IMHO, has been faster than the stated stages due to uncalculated resistance, ie people too afraid to come out of lockdown. There have been many posters moaning about the beaches but this was part of the plan. Just stop stressing peeps, go with the flow unless you're vulnerable. Stress affects the immune response. Keep washing those hands and be mindful of those around you. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall." People could still be getting it, they just might not be getting tested or ending up in hospital. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall. People could still be getting it, they just might not be getting tested or ending up in hospital. " That would be a good scenario. | |||
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"I'm over social distancing, if you want to stay 2 metres away from me then it's you who's moving, I ain't moving for no one anymore. " Should be good entertainment in the pub you frequent.. | |||
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"I'm over social distancing, if you want to stay 2 metres away from me then it's you who's moving, I ain't moving for no one anymore. " No matter if you pass it on to someone with an underlying health condition, or pass it on to a friend or family member who dies? And that’s not factoring in the unknown long-term health implications it sounds like it might have. Stay 2 meters away and wear a goddamn mask, it’s really not difficult or too much to ask. Selfish people like you are the ones who’ll drag this pandemic out far longer than it needed to be. | |||
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"October.... Shall we just wait and see! Cos you never know! In the meantime, let's enjoy Summer and respect space as much as we can! Lead by example! Cover ones face in a public place! (there you go, new slogan) " Thank god, someone talking positive  | |||
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"To the OP, I was thinking the same. I think social distancing seems to have gone out of the window. You can only be careful and look after yourself and walk around the man on the pavement who won't move for anyone" You are absolutely right and we were talking about this today. We can only be responsible for our own actions and whilst e Its convenient and very difficult trying to navigate around people, All any of us can do is take personal responsibility and try to remember other people have needs too and may not be able to move round us is easily. | |||
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"I think England rather than the other nations has accepted an accelerated second wave come October. Well done to Scotland though. With more vulnerable people and with a harsher winter to come. They've got some bottle and fighting it. We're bottlers who have given up. " You seriously saying Scotland will fully lockdown forever? Wow | |||
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"To the OP, I was thinking the same. I think social distancing seems to have gone out of the window. You can only be careful and look after yourself and walk around the man on the pavement who won't move for anyone" | |||
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"Turned us all into such loving and tolerant people hasn't it? (much the same as it was before I guess)
"I don't think anything "turns" people, these behaviours were set a long time ago in their lives. All it does is shine a light on them a little more clearly. | |||
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"To the OP, I was thinking the same. I think social distancing seems to have gone out of the window. You can only be careful and look after yourself and walk around the man on the pavement who won't move for anyone You are absolutely right and we were talking about this today. We can only be responsible for our own actions and whilst e Its convenient and very difficult trying to navigate around people, All any of us can do is take personal responsibility and try to remember other people have needs too and may not be able to move round us is easily." Fully agree but after a few beers common sense can disappear | |||
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"Why is everyone so negative?? Yes what we have been through has been awful and really tragic. But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Every country that has, so far, experienced a second wave has been able to trace it and acted swiftly. Most countries haven't. Yet the sofa scientist are so keen to spread fear. Try being positive, lifes much more fun that way" Why is repeating what the real scientists are saying negative? The restrictions are lifting, they are not over yet | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). " Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it " | |||
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"I'm over social distancing, if you want to stay 2 metres away from me then it's you who's moving, I ain't moving for no one anymore. " If you take that attitude in a few pubs i know, you will find yourself on your arse rather sharpish | |||
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"I'm over social distancing, if you want to stay 2 metres away from me then it's you who's moving, I ain't moving for no one anymore. If you take that attitude in a few pubs i know, you will find yourself on your arse rather sharpish" | |||
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"Just Google corona virus Italy, the report comes up. " Suggest you google world virus update. UK is part of the world not part of Italy.. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it " It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. | |||
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"Just Google corona virus Italy, the report comes up. Suggest you google world virus update. UK is part of the world not part of Italy.." Suggest you Google island/mainland | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. " So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence." You can also back that up with the stats. Yesterday was the lowest number of new infections since before lockdown began. That shows we are over the worst of it, not out of the woods but over the worst. If people want to live their lives in fear so be it, but don't act the people who wish to try and stay positive. What's the harm as long as people are sensible? Mental health is just as important and the constant spread of fear and negativity only damages peoples mental health | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence." The Italian doctors you dismiss are not saying it’s going away. The say it appears to be weakening. Given our number of new cases isn’t dropping at the same rate as hospital admissions it may, I say may have some merit. | |||
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"Why is everyone so negative?? Yes what we have been through has been awful and really tragic. But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Every country that has, so far, experienced a second wave has been able to trace it and acted swiftly. Most countries haven't. Yet the sofa scientist are so keen to spread fear. Try being positive, lifes much more fun that way" One of the professors who sits on sage said earlier we are still hitting 1000 cases per day in England and in his opinion its a bit early to relax to 1m.. Granted there will be others, experts etc who disagree as well as agree as is the nature of such things.. Simple statements such as every scientist are often patent nonsense, being positive along with being realistic fine.. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence." Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) | |||
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"I'm over social distancing, if you want to stay 2 metres away from me then it's you who's moving, I ain't moving for no one anymore. " Where's the Ricky Gervais ooh you're hard gif when you need it. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall." Deaths falling yes, perhaps if people had followed the guidelines properly it might have fallen even more, and we might of been further along the recovery path. Don't hold your breath there will be another spike,, thanks to the idiots who break the rules. They are stopping you from getting back to the lifestyle us on fans enjoy. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall. People could still be getting it, they just might not be getting tested or ending up in hospital. " Then the governments 5 tests are just a dog and pony show then, aren't they. The data cannot just be dismissed everytime it doesn't fit the narrative. Oxford university actually predicted this would happen, so it's not totally expected. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall. Deaths falling yes, perhaps if people had followed the guidelines properly it might have fallen even more, and we might of been further along the recovery path. Don't hold your breath there will be another spike,, thanks to the idiots who break the rules. They are stopping you from getting back to the lifestyle us on fans enjoy." You're just trapped in some self confirming logic. If lockdown doesn't generate the expected results then you demand more lockdown because you jump to the conclusion it's just because people broke the rules. Actually we know that's it's much more to do with thinks like the government moving people from hospitals to care homes, without tests or safety precautions and their abysmal lack of timely testing and contact tracing. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously)" Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. | |||
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"The only bottlers are the cowards screaming for more lockdown ... Cowards for not wanting to spread or catch a potentially lethal disease...? " I am no coward... I am at risk through no fault of my own would you say that only a coward would use the breaks on a car.....? | |||
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" One of the professors who sits on sage said earlier we are still hitting 1000 cases per day in England and in his opinion its a bit early to relax to 1m. " Cases yes. But not necessarily people being taken ill with it. These numbers are down to the increase in contact tracing and testing. The vast majority of these new "cases" will have had no symptoms at all Bit of course they don't tell you that in the raw figures Got to keep the fear factor going. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. " https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. " ***” Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ?”*** All those events you’ve mentioned above were outdoors - where there is less risk of virus transmission. We will have to wait and see what happens when people start meeting indoors in pubs, restaurants etc. I’m not suggesting we will have a spike, and I hope we don’t,....,. but it requires a concerted effort in following the guidelines we are given, to prevent the numbers going up again. | |||
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"I'm over social distancing, if you want to stay 2 metres away from me then it's you who's moving, I ain't moving for no one anymore. " Looking at your attitude bet you put people right off of meeting. | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. ***” Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ?”*** All those events you’ve mentioned above were outdoors - where there is less risk of virus transmission. We will have to wait and see what happens when people start meeting indoors in pubs, restaurants etc. I’m not suggesting we will have a spike, and I hope we don’t,....,. but it requires a concerted effort in following the guidelines we are given, to prevent the numbers going up again. " So explain the reasoning behind "stay at home" ? The entire country was up in arms and livid about the lack of social distancing and clear disdain for the rules. If it was safe to congregate like that 7 weeks ago, why have the lockdown rules only just started to relax ? Uproar and castigation seem to be tied to narrative. We were warned about a 2nd spike 7 weeks ago... where is it ? | |||
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" One of the professors who sits on sage said earlier we are still hitting 1000 cases per day in England and in his opinion its a bit early to relax to 1m. Cases yes. But not necessarily people being taken ill with it. These numbers are down to the increase in contact tracing and testing. The vast majority of these new "cases" will have had no symptoms at all Bit of course they don't tell you that in the raw figures Got to keep the fear factor going." Who knew that some random bloke on this site knows more than a scientific professor.. Every day etc.. | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. ***” Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ?”*** All those events you’ve mentioned above were outdoors - where there is less risk of virus transmission. We will have to wait and see what happens when people start meeting indoors in pubs, restaurants etc. I’m not suggesting we will have a spike, and I hope we don’t,....,. but it requires a concerted effort in following the guidelines we are given, to prevent the numbers going up again. " So "stay outdoors, save lives"? | |||
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"It’s a lockdown in name only now. I get a sense of impotent outrage when people brush past me in Sainsbury’s but what can you do? " Why is it them brushing against you rather than you brushing against then? It does actually take at least two to not socially distance. | |||
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"It’s a lockdown in name only now. I get a sense of impotent outrage when people brush past me in Sainsbury’s but what can you do? Why is it them brushing against you rather than you brushing against then? It does actually take at least two to not socially distance. " I do apologise for not being clearer. It happens when I’m static trying to fish something off the shelf. Usually someone will reach under me etc. I hope that is enough detail now  | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. " I think the evidence seems to be pointing to the reality that pretty much any activity outdoors short of bodily exchange of fluids is pretty safe. Save the social distancing for indoors only. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall. Deaths falling yes, perhaps if people had followed the guidelines properly it might have fallen even more, and we might of been further along the recovery path. Don't hold your breath there will be another spike,, thanks to the idiots who break the rules. They are stopping you from getting back to the lifestyle us on fans enjoy. You're just trapped in some self confirming logic. If lockdown doesn't generate the expected results then you demand more lockdown because you jump to the conclusion it's just because people broke the rules. Actually we know that's it's much more to do with thinks like the government moving people from hospitals to care homes, without tests or safety precautions and their abysmal lack of timely testing and contact tracing. " Absolutely this! | |||
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"The only bottlers are the cowards screaming for more lockdown ... Cowards for not wanting to spread or catch a potentially lethal disease...? I am no coward... I am at risk through no fault of my own would you say that only a coward would use the breaks on a car.....? " Na, but a true, blue, (take back control) BREXIT supporting English man wouldn't even have a brake, that way there's no chance of then putting it on before driving over the cliff. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ " I didn't see it in the link. What I did see is that Covid-19 is a SARS Corona virus but that's not the same thing as saying it a mutation of THE SARS virus. THE SARS virus is also a SARS Corona virus so they are related but only in a similar way to the way that Cows and Camels are related. | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. ***” Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ?”*** All those events you’ve mentioned above were outdoors - where there is less risk of virus transmission. We will have to wait and see what happens when people start meeting indoors in pubs, restaurants etc. I’m not suggesting we will have a spike, and I hope we don’t,....,. but it requires a concerted effort in following the guidelines we are given, to prevent the numbers going up again. So explain the reasoning behind "stay at home" ? The entire country was up in arms and livid about the lack of social distancing and clear disdain for the rules. If it was safe to congregate like that 7 weeks ago, why have the lockdown rules only just started to relax ? Uproar and castigation seem to be tied to narrative. We were warned about a 2nd spike 7 weeks ago... where is it ? " “Stay at home” was to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed when we had a high rate of infections. Who said it was safe to congregate 7 weeks ago ? | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. ***” Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ?”*** All those events you’ve mentioned above were outdoors - where there is less risk of virus transmission. We will have to wait and see what happens when people start meeting indoors in pubs, restaurants etc. I’m not suggesting we will have a spike, and I hope we don’t,....,. but it requires a concerted effort in following the guidelines we are given, to prevent the numbers going up again. So explain the reasoning behind "stay at home" ? The entire country was up in arms and livid about the lack of social distancing and clear disdain for the rules. If it was safe to congregate like that 7 weeks ago, why have the lockdown rules only just started to relax ? Uproar and castigation seem to be tied to narrative. We were warned about a 2nd spike 7 weeks ago... where is it ? “Stay at home” was to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed when we had a high rate of infections. Who said it was safe to congregate 7 weeks ago ?" Well done on avoiding the question. SMH | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. ***” Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ?”*** All those events you’ve mentioned above were outdoors - where there is less risk of virus transmission. We will have to wait and see what happens when people start meeting indoors in pubs, restaurants etc. I’m not suggesting we will have a spike, and I hope we don’t,....,. but it requires a concerted effort in following the guidelines we are given, to prevent the numbers going up again. So "stay outdoors, save lives"?" Says who? Outdoors less transmission. Indoors greater risk of transmission, explains partly why face covering is required in public transport, and why supermarkets etc put up extra screens to protect customers. Screens which are not used when you are buying ice cream outdoors. | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. ***” Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ?”*** All those events you’ve mentioned above were outdoors - where there is less risk of virus transmission. We will have to wait and see what happens when people start meeting indoors in pubs, restaurants etc. I’m not suggesting we will have a spike, and I hope we don’t,....,. but it requires a concerted effort in following the guidelines we are given, to prevent the numbers going up again. So explain the reasoning behind "stay at home" ? The entire country was up in arms and livid about the lack of social distancing and clear disdain for the rules. If it was safe to congregate like that 7 weeks ago, why have the lockdown rules only just started to relax ? Uproar and castigation seem to be tied to narrative. We were warned about a 2nd spike 7 weeks ago... where is it ? “Stay at home” was to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed when we had a high rate of infections. Who said it was safe to congregate 7 weeks ago ? Well done on avoiding the question. SMH" Well done in avoiding the question I asked you. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall. People could still be getting it, they just might not be getting tested or ending up in hospital. Then the governments 5 tests are just a dog and pony show then, aren't they. The data cannot just be dismissed everytime it doesn't fit the narrative. Oxford university actually predicted this would happen, so it's not totally expected. " I didn't dismiss it I said not all people will be recorded as having the virus if they get it mild at home and don't get a test | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall. People could still be getting it, they just might not be getting tested or ending up in hospital. Then the governments 5 tests are just a dog and pony show then, aren't they. The data cannot just be dismissed everytime it doesn't fit the narrative. Oxford university actually predicted this would happen, so it's not totally expected. I didn't dismiss it I said not all people will be recorded as having the virus if they get it mild at home and don't get a test" But that statement is also true for all the figures in may. The measures aren't accurate, but they are consistently inaccurate. | |||
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" O Who knew that some random bloke on this site knows more than a scientific professor.. Every day etc.. "Lets stop sneering at peoples opinions this way, it adds nothing to a debate and normally sends it a totally different way | |||
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" Well done on avoiding the question. SMH Well done in avoiding the question I asked you. " You answered my question with a question, you avoided answering by posing another question. Do keep up. | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall. People could still be getting it, they just might not be getting tested or ending up in hospital. Then the governments 5 tests are just a dog and pony show then, aren't they. The data cannot just be dismissed everytime it doesn't fit the narrative. Oxford university actually predicted this would happen, so it's not totally expected. I didn't dismiss it I said not all people will be recorded as having the virus if they get it mild at home and don't get a test But that statement is also true for all the figures in may. The measures aren't accurate, but they are consistently inaccurate. " Has any of it been accurate? I doubt it. However that wasn't what I meant, what I was answering was where was the spike from weeks ago, all I could think of was the people who were not social distancing may have caught the virus and dealt with it at home and didn't pass it to anyone who may have been at risk of getting it bad enough to die from | |||
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"2M or 1M or whatever. What really really annoys me is just about every large gathering I see on TV the social distancing is completely ignored. Nearly all of the recent mass demonstrations, the panic buying the day that sport shop reopened, and yesterday, the teary pupils of the murdered Reading History teacher all gathered close together around the female police officer...so sad but at the very least the media should have made a passing comment that the social distancing was ignored. It seems that some folk are taking it seriously and some are not. These poles apart views + alcohol + limited space = punch ups in pubs. And yet cases and deaths continue to fall. People could still be getting it, they just might not be getting tested or ending up in hospital. Then the governments 5 tests are just a dog and pony show then, aren't they. The data cannot just be dismissed everytime it doesn't fit the narrative. Oxford university actually predicted this would happen, so it's not totally expected. I didn't dismiss it I said not all people will be recorded as having the virus if they get it mild at home and don't get a test But that statement is also true for all the figures in may. The measures aren't accurate, but they are consistently inaccurate. Has any of it been accurate? I doubt it. However that wasn't what I meant, what I was answering was where was the spike from weeks ago, all I could think of was the people who were not social distancing may have caught the virus and dealt with it at home and didn't pass it to anyone who may have been at risk of getting it bad enough to die from" A very large percentage of the population will not have symptoms of exposed to covid19 and if they aren't key workers, then they are very unlikely to show up in the official case numbers. If the government had any interest in the truth, then it would use mass antibody testing to fill the knowledge gap, but it doesnt. Germany and some American states have done this. I don't believe the proportion of asymptomatic non-keyworkers has changed to any degree that it could effect the figures. The more likely explanation, in my opinion, is that the virus doesn't transmit well outside and there isn't that much of it around. | |||
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"The media types have been predicting the so called "second wave" since Easter,the subways opened and the Southend beach invasion, not to mention the London protests, The community R rate is virtually none existent now "The scientists mention second waves too | |||
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" Well done on avoiding the question. SMH Well done in avoiding the question I asked you. You answered my question with a question, you avoided answering by posing another question. Do keep up. " You asked a question as to why we locked down. And I answered your question. You then said “if it was safe to congregate like that 7 weeks ago.....” Hence I asked you : who said so ? I answered your question but you didn’t answer mine. | |||
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" A very large percentage of the population will not have symptoms of exposed to covid19 and if they aren't key workers, then they are very unlikely to show up in the official case numbers. If the government had any interest in the truth, then it would use mass antibody testing to fill the knowledge gap, but it doesnt. Germany and some American states have done this. I don't believe the proportion of asymptomatic non-keyworkers has changed to any degree that it could effect the figures. The more likely explanation, in my opinion, is that the virus doesn't transmit well outside and there isn't that much of it around. " Lets hope so | |||
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"We have had some sort of lock down and it was never suggested by WHO that a 2m rule was needed they simply said a suitable distance which is why countries made up there own distancing guidence Spain n France chose 1m all throughout there lock down With pubs now allowed to open social distancing was bound to be reduced as pubs couldn't afford to open with ony 10 or 15 people It all boils down to money and the economy I can now go out get pissed in a pub or eat a meal in a restraunt with people I don't know Yet I still can't go to a gym and train where more strict measures could of been enforced Easier to clean and train alone in allocated slots Answer is pubs bring in more revenue to the government simple " True, the pubs bring more revenue to the government, and that’s one of the reasons why they are prioritised. | |||
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"It's really checking because as a shield or we have been told we can go about our normal lives and the support will stop from the 1st of August. We want to live our lives as normal as possible, However we are fairly relient on other people sticking to the rules too and they are not so unfortunately we can't live our lives in the way that we want to because other people are being selfish." Tricky not checking. | |||
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"October.... Shall we just wait and see! Cos you never know! In the meantime, let's enjoy Summer and respect space as much as we can! Lead by example! Cover ones face in a public place! (there you go, new slogan) " A voice of reason. OCTOBER and i need to go and read how this came about. Doh aint that the time of year we get the new cold/flu virises (excuses the spelling not had my coffee) | |||
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"Just Google corona virus Italy, the report comes up. " Just Google Brazil covid19 Just Google USA covid19 See a pattern ? | |||
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"Actually USA deaths per capita are nowhere near the worst in the world. ICU and death rates are actually coming down. 55% of deaths are related to carehomes, due to the Demonrats governors care home policy. The 55% does not include NY because Cuomo is hiding the figures, if you include NY your looking at 70% The only figures going up are poss tests because the USA are testing more than anyone else in in the world. " It's true that the US death rate per 100,000 is still actually lower than most of Europe. It's a point I've made many times before. It's also true that the US is doing more testing than most of Europe and that if you do more testing you're going to find more cases. However the number of confirmed cases in the US is increasing at a much faster rate than could be accounted for just by increased testing. Despite what we hear from both sides about the success or otherwise of Trump's Covid strategy the jury is still out but even on the deaths per 100,000 the numbers are starting to go against Trump. | |||
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"The media types have been predicting the so called "second wave" since Easter,the subways opened and the Southend beach invasion, not to mention the London protests, The community R rate is virtually none existent now "I bit like those guys you see with the sandwich boards saying "the end of the world is nigh". We all know they'll probably be right one day. At some point, unless a vaccine is found, there will be a second wave, it's inevitable, but we cannot continue to run our lives, or more accurately not run our lives, based on fear. Already I'm hearing more and more people questioning whether the price most people are now having to pay economically, socially and health-wise is worth it. I myself am far more worried about the economic, social and mental effects this lockdown is having on myself and my family than I ever was about the actual virus. We have to start questioning whether the price being paid by 10's of millions to help a few thousand is really worth the cost. | |||
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"I get a sense of impotent outrage when people brush past me in Sainsbury’s but what can you do? Stay at home ? Need ma shopping and don’t want to take up a valuable delivery slot. Just have to get on with it and suck it up. I try and be responsible. " try shopping at night you might be more comfortable with the number of people around you i usually do an aldi shop and almost always about 8 or 9 pm... the shop is in the process of being stocked for the next day so no availability issues and usually its quiet enough to have no more than one other person per aisle | |||
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"I get a sense of impotent outrage when people brush past me in Sainsbury’s but what can you do? Stay at home ? Need ma shopping and don’t want to take up a valuable delivery slot. Just have to get on with it and suck it up. I try and be responsible. try shopping at night you might be more comfortable with the number of people around you i usually do an aldi shop and almost always about 8 or 9 pm... the shop is in the process of being stocked for the next day so no availability issues and usually its quiet enough to have no more than one other person per aisle " I think some might be more horrified to stop shopping at Sainsburys then go to Aldi.... | |||
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"I get a sense of impotent outrage when people brush past me in Sainsbury’s but what can you do? Stay at home ? Need ma shopping and don’t want to take up a valuable delivery slot. Just have to get on with it and suck it up. I try and be responsible. try shopping at night you might be more comfortable with the number of people around you i usually do an aldi shop and almost always about 8 or 9 pm... the shop is in the process of being stocked for the next day so no availability issues and usually its quiet enough to have no more than one other person per aisle I think some might be more horrified to stop shopping at Sainsburys then go to Aldi.... " well thats their own short sightedness at fault ... i actually prefer their meat and veg its fresher and the pre packed stuff for most supermarkets are made in the same factories with different labels stuck on dont get me wrong i dont save like i should because i always end up a sucker down that middle aisle of special buys  | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ I didn't see it in the link. What I did see is that Covid-19 is a SARS Corona virus but that's not the same thing as saying it a mutation of THE SARS virus. THE SARS virus is also a SARS Corona virus so they are related but only in a similar way to the way that Cows and Camels are related. " Absolutely correct. And we dont whether any mutation will be for the better or worse. But we do know that breath and sneeze particles stay up in the air and can travel several meters. We also know there are several viral strains around and that there is hardly any immunity nor cures. This is a population-level effort. And it wont be over in 2020, sadly, no.. | |||
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"The media types have been predicting the so called "second wave" since Easter,the subways opened and the Southend beach invasion, not to mention the London protests, The community R rate is virtually none existent now
I bit like those guys you see with the sandwich boards saying "the end of the world is nigh". We all know they'll probably be right one day.
At some point, unless a vaccine is found, there will be a second wave, it's inevitable, but we cannot continue to run our lives, or more accurately not run our lives, based on fear. Already I'm hearing more and more people questioning whether the price most people are now having to pay economically, socially and health-wise is worth it. I myself am far more worried about the economic, social and mental effects this lockdown is having on myself and my family than I ever was about the actual virus. We have to start questioning whether the price being paid by 10's of millions to help a few thousand is really worth the cost.
"You want to put a £ price on deaths? With a pandemic it's a rather all or nothing effort. It is difficult to do anything by halves once it's established. Lot's of money upfront like Taiwan. Minimal deaths and economic disruption. Late lockdown, lots of emergency spending and furlough like Europe. Some level of control established. Some countries contact tracing, some not. Outcome of a second wave unknown. Late lockdown, lots of furlough, early lockdown release and infections and deaths rising again. USA. Complete denial, huge death rates and the resulting economic disaster. Brazil. Death and fear have a huge economic impact. The best economic solution is spending money to contain the disease and minimise the infection and mortality rate until there is vaccine or we discover if herd immunity can be achieved. That will require some change to our behaviour for some time. | |||
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"At the end of the day it all comes down to money, we can't keep paying people and businesses to not work. I know lives matter but let's live in the real world, us and our children will paying for this. " My grandparents paid for WW2. My parents paid for WW2 and the global recession. I'm paying for the global recession and Covid. We all inherit debts from the past and wiping the slate clean for the children of yesteryear, today or tomorrow is a non starter as our economy doesn't work like that. | |||
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"In terms of money, the recession or fast looming depression will vastly out do any money the government has spent. We've not yet reached the levels of spending the government spent (cash, not gov binds and guarantees, that dwarfs the virus spend) on bailing the banks out and we've got over that. The years to come will be economically hard. You can't really put a price on so many lives, but when you see so many not helping out with the lack of social distancing, it does make you think, what has it all been for... As we're stuck in a half and half situation some people sticking to the safe and cautious restrictions others just throwing them out the window. This won't help anyone, and so to avoid the worst case scenario of economic disaster along with untold number of deaths, is one or the other. The way people are carrying on we may as well return to normal and it will just be survival of the fittest as most health folks will not see any symptoms, I don't agree with this one bit, but people have to learn the social distancing and restriction are for everyone's sake and not just the elderly and sick. " It would help if our government was more decisive and lockdown areas that are not doing as warned. But no this lot were too late to lockdown in the beginning and have not learnt from that. No fecking backbone | |||
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"The only bottlers are the cowards screaming for more lockdown ... " Work on ICU matey boy like me. Watching them die isn’t fun. You’d be ok no doubt just pass it on to others. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ " It doesn't mention SARS. | |||
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"It's really checking because as a shield or we have been told we can go about our normal lives and the support will stop from the 1st of August. We want to live our lives as normal as possible, However we are fairly relient on other people sticking to the rules too and they are not so unfortunately we can't live our lives in the way that we want to because other people are being selfish." No offence intended but if you're an extremely vulnerable person, is it not up to you to continue shielding? If ONS are correct, the stats show not enough people have exposed to the virus to even potentially provide population immunity. However, we as a country must kick the restart button of our economy. So, lockdown has had to ease. Although we hear a great deal of the remaining guidelines being flaunted, I feel it continues to be a minority. I think most people are trying to get back to normal and looking after their and their wider circle's needs. I've waffled  , I should have just asked who is being selfish?  | |||
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"Actually USA deaths per capita are nowhere near the worst in the world. ICU and death rates are actually coming down. 55% of deaths are related to carehomes, due to the Demonrats governors care home policy. The 55% does not include NY because Cuomo is hiding the figures, if you include NY your looking at 70% The only figures going up are poss tests because the USA are testing more than anyone else in in the world. It's true that the US death rate per 100,000 is still actually lower than most of Europe. It's a point I've made many times before. It's also true that the US is doing more testing than most of Europe and that if you do more testing you're going to find more cases. However the number of confirmed cases in the US is increasing at a much faster rate than could be accounted for just by increased testing. Despite what we hear from both sides about the success or otherwise of Trump's Covid strategy the jury is still out but even on the deaths per 100,000 the numbers are starting to go against Trump. " And yet the death rate is not rising, apparently: Andrew Marr Show today. | |||
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"I get a sense of impotent outrage when people brush past me in Sainsbury’s but what can you do? Stay at home ? Need ma shopping and don’t want to take up a valuable delivery slot. Just have to get on with it and suck it up. I try and be responsible. try shopping at night you might be more comfortable with the number of people around you i usually do an aldi shop and almost always about 8 or 9 pm... the shop is in the process of being stocked for the next day so no availability issues and usually its quiet enough to have no more than one other person per aisle I think some might be more horrified to stop shopping at Sainsburys then go to Aldi.... " Hey no disparaging of Aldi. Good products at good prices, even better when they're marked down due to sell by date approaching  | |||
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"At the end of the day it all comes down to money, we can't keep paying people and businesses to not work. I know lives matter but let's live in the real world, us and our children will paying for this. My grandparents paid for WW2. My parents paid for WW2 and the global recession. I'm paying for the global recession and Covid. We all inherit debts from the past and wiping the slate clean for the children of yesteryear, today or tomorrow is a non starter as our economy doesn't work like that." Instead we can provide history that our children can hopefully learn from. | |||
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"I get a sense of impotent outrage when people brush past me in Sainsbury’s but what can you do? Stay at home ? Need ma shopping and don’t want to take up a valuable delivery slot. Just have to get on with it and suck it up. I try and be responsible. try shopping at night you might be more comfortable with the number of people around you i usually do an aldi shop and almost always about 8 or 9 pm... the shop is in the process of being stocked for the next day so no availability issues and usually its quiet enough to have no more than one other person per aisle I think some might be more horrified to stop shopping at Sainsburys then go to Aldi.... well thats their own short sightedness at fault ... i actually prefer their meat and veg its fresher and the pre packed stuff for most supermarkets are made in the same factories with different labels stuck on dont get me wrong i dont save like i should because i always end up a sucker down that middle aisle of special buys "Hahahaha | |||
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"if people are still meeting on here to have fun theres no social distancing there either " Good observation | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ It doesn't mention SARS. " Its says it quite clearly. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ It doesn't mention SARS. Its says it quite clearly. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS. " The clue is on the name maybe ? SARS-CoV-2 SARS-CoV-1 even though they are quite different in terms of illness, symptoms and outcomes Where is there any difinitive evidence that SARS-Cov-1 died out due to mutating ? All the studies point to the fact that transmission was lower and all those infected were successfully quarantined or died (10% fatality) and the virus seems to have been eradicated. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ It doesn't mention SARS. Its says it quite clearly. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS. The clue is on the name maybe ? SARS-CoV-2 SARS-CoV-1 even though they are quite different in terms of illness, symptoms and outcomes Where is there any difinitive evidence that SARS-Cov-1 died out due to mutating ? All the studies point to the fact that transmission was lower and all those infected were successfully quarantined or died (10% fatality) and the virus seems to have been eradicated." SARS-Cov-2 is not an evolution or mutation of SARS-Cov. Regardless, we shouldn't be drawing any conclusions on how these two viruses will behave based on their names. Disease coronavirus disease (COVID-19) Virus severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) According to the WHO: "the virus is genetically related to the coronavirus responsible for the SARS outbreak of 2003. While related, the two viruses are different" | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ It doesn't mention SARS. Its says it quite clearly. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS. " Copy and paste the paragraph then! From that article "The results add to a growing body of evidence that SARS-CoV-2 viruses share a common ancestor from late 2019, suggesting that this was when the virus jumped from a previous animal host, into people. This means it is most unlikely the virus causing Covid-19 was in human circulation for long before it was first detected". Doesn't state the ancestor comes from the SARS epidemic of 2003. | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ It doesn't mention SARS. Its says it quite clearly. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS. The clue is on the name maybe ? SARS-CoV-2 SARS-CoV-1 even though they are quite different in terms of illness, symptoms and outcomes Where is there any difinitive evidence that SARS-Cov-1 died out due to mutating ? All the studies point to the fact that transmission was lower and all those infected were successfully quarantined or died (10% fatality) and the virus seems to have been eradicated. SARS-Cov-2 is not an evolution or mutation of SARS-Cov. Regardless, we shouldn't be drawing any conclusions on how these two viruses will behave based on their names. Disease coronavirus disease (COVID-19) Virus severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) According to the WHO: "the virus is genetically related to the coronavirus responsible for the SARS outbreak of 2003. While related, the two viruses are different"" My understanding evolutionary wise Its misunderstood that humans evolved from chimps Although both primates A Corona virus loosely describes its appearance Like humans and chimps they have a distant common ancestor SARS itself actually only describes its symptoms Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome It has zero to do with genetics | |||
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"But every scientist reports the virus is weakening and burning out (similar to SARS). Really ? What's the link for that consensus ? I'd be extremely interested to read it It’s Italian doctors working in the actual hospitals treating the actual patients as opposed to some scientists in universities. So the claim was every scientist is saying it's receding. This was challenged, and your response to the challenge is to say look at a (relatively) small group of doctors in Italy. That pretty much bears out the challenge. Doctors, however good, are only looking at their local situation with the data they have. The scientists are taking a much broader view, looking at the world situation, and on balance they seem to be coming down on the "it's not going away just yet" side of the fence. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS, so it is not unrealistic to expect to follow a similar pattern (on a larger scale obviously) Provide evidence of your statement of covid 19 being a mutation of sars please. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/197454/coronavirus-mutations-offer-insights-into-virus/ It doesn't mention SARS. Its says it quite clearly. Covid 19 is an evolved mutation of SARS. " I've just reread it, just in case i missed something the first time. I still can't find where it says Covid-19 is an evolved mutation of SARS. | |||
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"I think England rather than the other nations has accepted an accelerated second wave come October. Well done to Scotland though. With more vulnerable people and with a harsher winter to come. They've got some bottle and fighting it. We're bottlers who have given up. " here in grantown its not so good . | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. " I was thinking the same thing. | |||
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" Where is the spike from 7 weeks ago when people first flocked to the beaches, or the spike from the protests around the country from 3 weeks ago ? We keep hearing this stuff about "idiots gonna cause a spike and put us in lockdown again" yet theres no data or evidence to prove this is the case, on the contrary it has continued to drop across the nation. I was thinking the same thing. " That's good news though isn't it? We'd rather people be proved wrong and get back to more social interaction sooner. Slowly and steady wins the race. | |||
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"The WHO yesterday reported a record increase in new world wide COVID-19 cases in a 24-hour period. Several countries are reporting new spikes, rising R numbers and areas are going back into lockdown. Meanwhile, Boris is reducing social distancing guidelines, doing a U turn on his quarantine plans for visitors from other countries, and excelerating plans to open up cinemas etc. Personally I will be sticking with social distancing as much as possible for a good while yet. " That's the whole idea.....social distancing guidelines are relaxed by the goverment to allow people to return to a more normal life, while still using there own initiative to social distance as much as possible. I'm not sure why so many people are struggling with what the goverment are trying to do it's not difficult to understand. | |||
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"I think England rather than the other nations has accepted an accelerated second wave come October. Well done to Scotland though. With more vulnerable people and with a harsher winter to come. They've got some bottle and fighting it. We're bottlers who have given up. " I agree | |||
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"It's really checking because as a shield or we have been told we can go about our normal lives and the support will stop from the 1st of August. We want to live our lives as normal as possible, However we are fairly relient on other people sticking to the rules too and they are not so unfortunately we can't live our lives in the way that we want to because other people are being selfish. No offence intended but if you're an extremely vulnerable person, is it not up to you to continue shielding? If ONS are correct, the stats show not enough people have exposed to the virus to even potentially provide population immunity. However, we as a country must kick the restart button of our economy. So, lockdown has had to ease. Although we hear a great deal of the remaining guidelines being flaunted, I feel it continues to be a minority. I think most people are trying to get back to normal and looking after their and their wider circle's needs. I've waffled , I should have just asked who is being selfish? "Wrong no cure no vaccine still circulating and dahmger to high risk groups shielding is the only option | |||
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"I think England rather than the other nations has accepted an accelerated second wave come October. I've read about this too, it's gonna be awful in so many ways - flu season, wet/cold weather for queuing outside of shops and so near to Christmas meaning more isolation for elderly people
From a purely selfish point of view I've just booked some winter sun too "Thats winter..the same winter we ve always had..I love the uks seasons and work out in all weathers and rarely get ill. Its interesting that a guy lived 30 years rough in a den, in a woodland. Spoke one word in all that time. He sat, just sat for 30 winters frozen inside his den but never got ill or needed a doctor or hospital. When asked how come his answer was" its mixing with people that gets you ill, not the season or weather". Hope your holiday goes well, enjoy | |||
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