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" do folk a second wafe is coming very soon? " Nope. But you should note that there's no agreed upon definition of what a second wave actually is, so you can expect the term to become big brothers favourite in the near future. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide " i agree with that | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide " I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. " This has definately been the second wave, I know for a fact some local people had it before Christmas. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. " Our thoughts exactly | |||
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"For all those who reckon this crisis is the second wave, how, when and why did the peak, trough and plateau first occur? Answer: it didn't. " You don’t know that as there wasn’t any tracking of it. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. " Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. " If it does not it's the first one that does not ??? | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. " Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. If it does not it's the first one that does not ??? " Many viruses burn out quickly / only develop in clusters / spread under very specific circumstances | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher." Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? | |||
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"Ok do you want some fun. Try going on Google search and put in any 3 numbers followed by new cases . I done it 40 times every time it comes back with covid-19 death rate somewhere. It's not possible if covid-19 was a normal virus, it's more like a computer virus. Love Google bulls**t. Try it. " I've tried it and you're right!   | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? " Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? " Is this an episode of Only Connect? I'm guessing Men in Black if the next letter is J  | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Is this an episode of Only Connect? I'm guessing Men in Black if the next letter is J "If it's J, we have to zap you so you forget, then you'll never know you were right!  | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones." The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Is this an episode of Only Connect? I'm guessing Men in Black if the next letter is J
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. " You literally just said, and I quote " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government" | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Is this an episode of Only Connect? I'm guessing Men in Black if the next letter is J
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. You literally just said, and I quote " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government"" Yes, what part of that are you struggling with? | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. You literally just said, and I quote " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government" Yes, what part of that are you struggling with? " The bit where you make something up, first you say, that it doesn't spread exponentially, then you say that it isn't your assertion that it doesn't spread exponentially. Both cannot be true, unless you want to bring Schrödinger into the equation. And quite frankly, I don't want any dead cats, even if I'm not actually sure. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. This has definately been the second wave, I know for a fact some local people had it before Christmas." So you've seen the lab reports ? | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. You literally just said, and I quote " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government" Yes, what part of that are you struggling with? The bit where you make something up, first you say, that it doesn't spread exponentially, then you say that it isn't your assertion that it doesn't spread exponentially. Both cannot be true, unless you want to bring Schrödinger into the equation. And quite frankly, I don't want any dead cats, even if I'm not actually sure." Try finishing the sentence you were quoting and then it won't be so confusing | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. You literally just said, and I quote " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government" Yes, what part of that are you struggling with? The bit where you make something up, first you say, that it doesn't spread exponentially, then you say that it isn't your assertion that it doesn't spread exponentially. Both cannot be true, unless you want to bring Schrödinger into the equation. And quite frankly, I don't want any dead cats, even if I'm not actually sure. Try finishing the sentence you were quoting and then it won't be so confusing " Yes it's the bit where you admit that is does look like it is exponential, but somehow isn't, right after you said it wasn't exponential and just before you said that you didn't say it wasn't exponential. All quite hard to keep track of when you change your mind from sentence to sentence. The testing done is irrelevant once the R number goes over 2, that means it's exponential as each infection is followed by double the number, that certainly appears to be the definition of an exponential number increase. If you have less testing, it just means it was exponential long before you knew, if you have loads of testing you just know more specifically when it went exponential. | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. You literally just said, and I quote " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government" Yes, what part of that are you struggling with? The bit where you make something up, first you say, that it doesn't spread exponentially, then you say that it isn't your assertion that it doesn't spread exponentially. Both cannot be true, unless you want to bring Schrödinger into the equation. And quite frankly, I don't want any dead cats, even if I'm not actually sure. Try finishing the sentence you were quoting and then it won't be so confusing Yes it's the bit where you admit that is does look like it is exponential, but somehow isn't, right after you said it wasn't exponential and just before you said that you didn't say it wasn't exponential. All quite hard to keep track of when you change your mind from sentence to sentence. The testing done is irrelevant once the R number goes over 2, that means it's exponential as each infection is followed by double the number, that certainly appears to be the definition of an exponential number increase. If you have less testing, it just means it was exponential long before you knew, if you have loads of testing you just know more specifically when it went exponential. " You're basically describing an SIR model and saying that if the real world was the same as your model, then we'd get exponential growth. Yes that's true, back in the real world we have seen nothing of the sort irrespective of lockdown. That is not something I am asserting myself, that is what a proper look at the data shows. A massive amount of the population do not spread covid19 so your 2 number does not sustain itself. | |||
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"For all those who reckon this crisis is the second wave, how, when and why did the peak, trough and plateau first occur? Answer: it didn't. You don’t know that as there wasn’t any tracking of it. " With the exponential rise of hospital admissions and deaths in April, and flattening of the curve due to lock down, yes we do. | |||
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"For all those who reckon this crisis is the second wave, how, when and why did the peak, trough and plateau first occur? Answer: it didn't. You don’t know that as there wasn’t any tracking of it. " and yet people know for FACT that we are in the second wave | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. " was it yourself that was adamant you had it earlier this year from work colleagues abroad and paid for a private antibody test? if so what was the result ive missed that thread? | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. You literally just said, and I quote " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government" Yes, what part of that are you struggling with? The bit where you make something up, first you say, that it doesn't spread exponentially, then you say that it isn't your assertion that it doesn't spread exponentially. Both cannot be true, unless you want to bring Schrödinger into the equation. And quite frankly, I don't want any dead cats, even if I'm not actually sure. Try finishing the sentence you were quoting and then it won't be so confusing Yes it's the bit where you admit that is does look like it is exponential, but somehow isn't, right after you said it wasn't exponential and just before you said that you didn't say it wasn't exponential. All quite hard to keep track of when you change your mind from sentence to sentence. The testing done is irrelevant once the R number goes over 2, that means it's exponential as each infection is followed by double the number, that certainly appears to be the definition of an exponential number increase. If you have less testing, it just means it was exponential long before you knew, if you have loads of testing you just know more specifically when it went exponential. You're basically describing an SIR model and saying that if the real world was the same as your model, then we'd get exponential growth. Yes that's true, back in the real world we have seen nothing of the sort irrespective of lockdown. That is not something I am asserting myself, that is what a proper look at the data shows. A massive amount of the population do not spread covid19 so your 2 number does not sustain itself. " How in the real world can it be irrespective of lockdown when there has been a lockdown? | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. You literally just said, and I quote " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government" Yes, what part of that are you struggling with? The bit where you make something up, first you say, that it doesn't spread exponentially, then you say that it isn't your assertion that it doesn't spread exponentially. Both cannot be true, unless you want to bring Schrödinger into the equation. And quite frankly, I don't want any dead cats, even if I'm not actually sure. Try finishing the sentence you were quoting and then it won't be so confusing Yes it's the bit where you admit that is does look like it is exponential, but somehow isn't, right after you said it wasn't exponential and just before you said that you didn't say it wasn't exponential. All quite hard to keep track of when you change your mind from sentence to sentence. The testing done is irrelevant once the R number goes over 2, that means it's exponential as each infection is followed by double the number, that certainly appears to be the definition of an exponential number increase. If you have less testing, it just means it was exponential long before you knew, if you have loads of testing you just know more specifically when it went exponential. You're basically describing an SIR model and saying that if the real world was the same as your model, then we'd get exponential growth. Yes that's true, back in the real world we have seen nothing of the sort irrespective of lockdown. That is not something I am asserting myself, that is what a proper look at the data shows. A massive amount of the population do not spread covid19 so your 2 number does not sustain itself. How in the real world can it be irrespective of lockdown when there has been a lockdown?" Track the spread before and after lockdown and in the countries that didn't lockdown. The first person to doubt it spread exponentially was Michael Levitt who look at the Chinese data. Hard to have a sensible conversation about that online though as most people start frothing at the mouth when they hear 'Chinese'. | |||
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"... The first person to doubt it spread exponentially was Michael Levitt who look at the Chinese data. Hard to have a sensible conversation about that online though as most people start frothing at the mouth when they hear 'Chinese'." No way, I just salivate. I haven't had Chinese in ages | |||
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"Ok do you want some fun. Try going on Google search and put in any 3 numbers followed by new cases . I done it 40 times every time it comes back with covid-19 death rate somewhere. It's not possible if covid-19 was a normal virus, it's more like a computer virus. Love Google bulls**t. Try it. " you're right. who still says the media is not manipulating things huh? | |||
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"This is and as been the 2nd wave.... First wave came Oct-Jan this year.... 3rd wave won't be as bad and we won't be going back into lockdown no matter how many more deaths they are If we get through this winter it will be as good as gone And before people say its the first wave I know lots of people who work for the NHS and have tested positive yet haven't been ill through this wave but we're ill back end of last year.... With what we're very similar symptoms to this..... You decide I agree, I was really unwell at the beginning of January with exactly the same symptoms as COVID-19 and so were the people around me I think we were in the 2nd wave when it was publicly named COVID-19. Heres the thing Waves have peaks and troughs Viruses spread exponentially IF the virus many people had was covid what caused its trough We KNOW that this current trough was caused by an almighty lockdown and there was zero evidence to suggest it would recede without intervention The idea this is wave two makes zero sense with any honest logic or reasoning Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government. It just looks like it does because the cases follow the degree of testing done at a particular phase of the pandemic. Yes, it does if the R rate is 2 or higher. Whether it spreads exponentially has a lot more factors than just R. Ever heard of K? Yes thanks, it is used to denote how many people are responsible for the number of infections and is irrelevant to your assertion that Covid doesn't spread exponentially. If the R number is above 2 it is still spreading exponentially. I didn't say it does it in all circumstances, just that it will given the right ones. The only circumstances it will are in an SIR model that in no way reflects the real world. It isn't my assertion that covid19 doesn't spread exponentially, it's what the data shows when you look at it properly. You literally just said, and I quote " Covid19 does not spread exponentially. That's one of the major lies of the government" Yes, what part of that are you struggling with? The bit where you make something up, first you say, that it doesn't spread exponentially, then you say that it isn't your assertion that it doesn't spread exponentially. Both cannot be true, unless you want to bring Schrödinger into the equation. And quite frankly, I don't want any dead cats, even if I'm not actually sure. Try finishing the sentence you were quoting and then it won't be so confusing Yes it's the bit where you admit that is does look like it is exponential, but somehow isn't, right after you said it wasn't exponential and just before you said that you didn't say it wasn't exponential. All quite hard to keep track of when you change your mind from sentence to sentence. The testing done is irrelevant once the R number goes over 2, that means it's exponential as each infection is followed by double the number, that certainly appears to be the definition of an exponential number increase. If you have less testing, it just means it was exponential long before you knew, if you have loads of testing you just know more specifically when it went exponential. You're basically describing an SIR model and saying that if the real world was the same as your model, then we'd get exponential growth. Yes that's true, back in the real world we have seen nothing of the sort irrespective of lockdown. That is not something I am asserting myself, that is what a proper look at the data shows. A massive amount of the population do not spread covid19 so your 2 number does not sustain itself. " I'm rather furious about how NONE of the science which our government are basing their decisions on are available for the public. don't they work for us the people? have they not lied about Iraq? have they not lied about Brexit? have they not lied about the death rates? about transmission levels? about school closures? is it not time that we actually get to see this scientific proof and evidences? that the least they could do if they want to change our lives, ruin our businesses, ruin our children's childhood, ruining our natural immune systems. | |||
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" I'm rather furious about how NONE of the science which our government are basing their decisions on are available for the public. don't they work for us the people? have they not lied about Iraq? have they not lied about Brexit? have they not lied about the death rates? about transmission levels? about school closures? is it not time that we actually get to see this scientific proof and evidences? that the least they could do if they want to change our lives, ruin our businesses, ruin our children's childhood, ruining our natural immune systems. " SAGE Minutes published by the Government. Have a read and calm your fury  | |||
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" I'm rather furious about how NONE of the science which our government are basing their decisions on are available for the public. don't they work for us the people? have they not lied about Iraq? have they not lied about Brexit? have they not lied about the death rates? about transmission levels? about school closures? is it not time that we actually get to see this scientific proof and evidences? that the least they could do if they want to change our lives, ruin our businesses, ruin our children's childhood, ruining our natural immune systems. SAGE Minutes published by the Government. Have a read and calm your fury "Yes it was nice of the government to release them after they had to be forced by lawyers to do so | |||
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" I'm rather furious about how NONE of the science which our government are basing their decisions on are available for the public. don't they work for us the people? have they not lied about Iraq? have they not lied about Brexit? have they not lied about the death rates? about transmission levels? about school closures? is it not time that we actually get to see this scientific proof and evidences? that the least they could do if they want to change our lives, ruin our businesses, ruin our children's childhood, ruining our natural immune systems. SAGE Minutes published by the Government. Have a read and calm your fury
Yes it was nice of the government to release them after they had to be forced by lawyers to do so "THANK you... so I went to the very first SAGE minute.... on note 7 through to 10 ...these looks like assertions or conclusions...but where are they getting this from? no reference or source at bottom of minute.. SAGE MINUTE 2....again no reference or source?! SAGE MINUTE 3...nothing. no sources or reference. I would have expect something like:"....liased with so and so from WHO. report, paper, executive summary being sent" are they just making this up as they...drink tea? | |||
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"What value is one life. Virus hasnt gone away Everyone acting normally before second spike in october It appears, vulnerable people's, lives, are not valued So what value do you put one life??? Someone mum dad grandad grandmum Or is it I'm OK doesn't matter So what value do you put on one life " Are you posting the same message on every single thread? | |||
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"What value is one life. Virus hasnt gone away Everyone acting normally before second spike in october It appears, vulnerable people's, lives, are not valued So what value do you put one life??? Someone mum dad grandad grandmum Or is it I'm OK doesn't matter So what value do you put on one life " So first of all the people on here were saying the 2nd spike would come when VE day celebrations Warm weather took everyone to the bea hes Then the BLM protest Now this hasn't been the case it's going to come in October...... Mmmmm All we can do is wait and see | |||
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"What value is one life. Virus hasnt gone away Everyone acting normally before second spike in october It appears, vulnerable people's, lives, are not valued So what value do you put one life??? Someone mum dad grandad grandmum Or is it I'm OK doesn't matter So what value do you put on one life So first of all the people on here were saying the 2nd spike would come when VE day celebrations Warm weather took everyone to the bea hes Then the BLM protest Now this hasn't been the case it's going to come in October...... Mmmmm All we can do is wait and see " Indeed. Wait and see and react, if necessary. I think the outbreaks in meat processing plants is a bit of a worry. Cold conditions in those places. Does this hint at a possible increase in cases over winter? | |||
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"What value is one life. Virus hasnt gone away Everyone acting normally before second spike in october It appears, vulnerable people's, lives, are not valued So what value do you put one life??? Someone mum dad grandad grandmum Or is it I'm OK doesn't matter So what value do you put on one life " So you would have lockdown all the time in case regular winter flu spread? There are so many diseases that spread through human contact - always have been, always will be Why not buy yourself a remote and uninhabited Scottish island and move there for the rest of your life? I will take my chances living my own life without restriction I know which 99.99% of other people would choose | |||
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"What do you all think is going to happen Do folk think it soon to be in stage three and do folk a second wafe is coming very soon? "No and no. Time to get back to normal and stop being controlled | |||
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