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"The Tories don't care about anyone but themselves. Disgusting vile beings. With a racist boris at the top. People should have seen it coming. But no, the nation is easily led by short quotes. " Agreed, but how much contempt does this Govt hold people in when it hits the people we have all been clapping for 10 weeks!?  | |||
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"I don't know. I see it in a very different way. When Covid kicked off, I purposely put my name forward within a few days, and I wanted to be on the front line. It turns out that it never happened in the end because of the stupidity of the NHS and it's incompetent (or overworked) admin staff. Both of my great grandfathers died for our country and I would (and did) gladly put myself forward for this reason. It would be an honour to serve the country, and I'd do it for free. " Just write to Matt Hancock - ‘Your Country Needs Lerts’. Seriously, when the Cabinet do their jobs for free then maybe the rest of us might. Student Nurses should not be treated this way.  | |||
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"I don't know. I see it in a very different way. When Covid kicked off, I purposely put my name forward within a few days, and I wanted to be on the front line. It turns out that it never happened in the end because of the stupidity of the NHS and it's incompetent (or overworked) admin staff. Both of my great grandfathers died for our country and I would (and did) gladly put myself forward for this reason. It would be an honour to serve the country, and I'd do it for free. Just write to Matt Hancock - ‘Your Country Needs Lerts’. Seriously, when the Cabinet do their jobs for free then maybe the rest of us might. Student Nurses should not be treated this way. "I completely disagree. 
I don't think the country needs lerts. I think it just needs people's cooperation for the most part. I certainly wouldn't like to have the responsibility of a cabinet member, having to please 60,000,000 people.
Why would the cabinet do their jobs for free?!? Why should they? I'm happy that my local MP gets a salary. I may not agree with him on many matters, but he does a good job in many respects, I appreciate his work and I appreciate that it's a bloody difficult job which deserves a great deal of respect.
My understanding is that student nurses were asked to work in hospitals to do their placement hours. Why is that upsetting? I also had to do free placements when I was in university, one of them was for the NHS. What's the problem with that? I did what was required in order to acquire my degree! They were the requirements at the time.
Maybe if student nurses didn't like the experience, then maybe nursing isn't for them? I really don't know. I'd have happily replaced a nurse had I had the opportunity. Although of course, I'd have done so without any real experience in that field.
I it depends on how much you love your job and how much you want to care for people I suppose. | |||
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"https://rcni.com/nursing-standard/newsroom/news/health-education-england-clarifies-its-position-ending-paid-student-placements-162226 The real story. "  | |||
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"I don't know. I see it in a very different way. When Covid kicked off, I purposely put my name forward within a few days, and I wanted to be on the front line. It turns out that it never happened in the end because of the stupidity of the NHS and it's incompetent (or overworked) admin staff. Both of my great grandfathers died for our country and I would (and did) gladly put myself forward for this reason. It would be an honour to serve the country, and I'd do it for free. " As part of this ‘incompetent’ workforce, I’m curious what your experience was? We had hundreds of people applying as they wanted to be ‘frontline’ but you know what, a lot of them would have done more damage than good. And yet we had to be grateful that they wanted to help, although we actually had very little demand in the end due to the hard work of our own staff! I appreciate people wanted to help, but some acted like we were a charity and should be bending over backwards to take them on! But back to the original OP, I think it’s shocking they can’t make all of the placements paid, the retention of students through nursing programmes is constantly dropping and I don’t blame them! Treated like free labour basically!  | |||
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"I'm not sure why students nurses need to be any different to other students when it comes to paying tuition fees. Of course, if we end up with a shortage of nurses after brexit then the government will have to make nursing more attractive by raising wages or reducing the cost of training. That's simple supply and demand. At the moment the government can just bring in nurses trained abroad." Isnt the issue they were took on early and are being released? I thought Brexit was brought in to reduce overseas workers? | |||
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"HEE are dropping the funding as of 31st of July I believe, not a decision from any NHS Trusts! Also comments above about Brexit, unless the government do something drastically to support UK nursing programmes or wages, we will continue to recruit internationally it’s just going to make it harder and put NHS trusts under more financial strain "If it means that the trusts use more agency nurses then this has the effect of raising nurses wages since agency nurses can be paid more. This makes nursing more attractive and will encourage more to undertake the training. It will balance out. Also with the unemployment rate rising, nursing will become more attractive as it is a secure job. | |||
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"The decision is that of NHS trusts as I understand it. Not the government " Yup. That's the true story. | |||
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"I don't know. I see it in a very different way. When Covid kicked off, I purposely put my name forward within a few days, and I wanted to be on the front line. It turns out that it never happened in the end because of the stupidity of the NHS and it's incompetent (or overworked) admin staff. Both of my great grandfathers died for our country and I would (and did) gladly put myself forward for this reason. It would be an honour to serve the country, and I'd do it for free. Just write to Matt Hancock - ‘Your Country Needs Lerts’. Seriously, when the Cabinet do their jobs for free then maybe the rest of us might. Student Nurses should not be treated this way.
I completely disagree.
I don't think the country needs lerts. I think it just needs people's cooperation for the most part. I certainly wouldn't like to have the responsibility of a cabinet member, having to please 60,000,000 people.
Why would the cabinet do their jobs for free?!? Why should they? I'm happy that my local MP gets a salary. I may not agree with him on many matters, but he does a good job in many respects, I appreciate his work and I appreciate that it's a bloody difficult job which deserves a great deal of respect.
My understanding is that student nurses were asked to work in hospitals to do their placement hours. Why is that upsetting? I also had to do free placements when I was in university, one of them was for the NHS. What's the problem with that? I did what was required in order to acquire my degree! They were the requirements at the time.
Maybe if student nurses didn't like the experience, then maybe nursing isn't for them? I really don't know. I'd have happily replaced a nurse had I had the opportunity. Although of course, I'd have done so without any real experience in that field.
I it depends on how much you love your job and how much you want to care for people I suppose."As someone who was a student nurse many moons ago, I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. I entered medicine to practice medicine with all its ups and downs. I now have climbed the ladder but still work front line. I'm a professional, not an angel, I don't really want people clapping for me, I understand the sentiment but see it a bit like when a planes lands and folks applaud, do you boo if it crashes
I worry when people are put on pedestals they are soon to be pushed off.
If nothing else comes from this, maybe more people will wash their hands after the toilet, not much to ask or is it.
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"The decision is that of NHS trusts as I understand it. Not the government Yup. That's the true story. "How is that the Trusts decision? | |||
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"I don't know. I see it in a very different way. When Covid kicked off, I purposely put my name forward within a few days, and I wanted to be on the front line. It turns out that it never happened in the end because of the stupidity of the NHS and it's incompetent (or overworked) admin staff. Both of my great grandfathers died for our country and I would (and did) gladly put myself forward for this reason. It would be an honour to serve the country, and I'd do it for free. " How did you put yourself forward? Are you a student nurse? What skills do you have that would be of use? | |||
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"The decision is that of NHS trusts as I understand it. Not the government " So all of the trusts have independently arrived at this decision at the same time? Or have they been given instructions from above? | |||
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"The decision is that of NHS trusts as I understand it. Not the government So all of the trusts have independently arrived at this decision at the same time? Or have they been given instructions from above?" The end dates were July and for Final year Students September - so yes they have because they were the contract parameters.  | |||
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"Agreed, but how much contempt does this Govt hold people in when it hits the people we have all been clapping for 10 weeks!? "Well given our Tory MP posted to Twitter, him clapping for the nhs, every Thursdy and then going to the Daily Mail to get our GP fired because he posted a video advising elderly people on what to do to prepare if the worst should happen... ... a lot of contempt. | |||
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"The decision is that of NHS trusts as I understand it. Not the government So all of the trusts have independently arrived at this decision at the same time? Or have they been given instructions from above? The end dates were July and for Final year Students September - so yes they have because they were the contract parameters. "I’m confused what your point is? The Trusts gave out 3 or 6 month contracts as we had no guidance from HEE around end dates, and we don’t dictate the dates for placements. HEE then announced they were withdrawing the funding as of July 31st. The Trusts can’t continue the contracts beyond that as these posts don’t exist beyond it being a student placement? | |||
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"Agreed, but how much contempt does this Govt hold people in when it hits the people we have all been clapping for 10 weeks!?
Well given our Tory MP posted to Twitter, him clapping for the nhs, every Thursdy and then going to the Daily Mail to get our GP fired because he posted a video advising elderly people on what to do to prepare if the worst should happen...
... a lot of contempt."Sounds a lovely chap | |||
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"I'm not sure why students nurses need to be any different to other students when it comes to paying tuition fees. Of course, if we end up with a shortage of nurses after brexit then the government will have to make nursing more attractive by raising wages or reducing the cost of training. That's simple supply and demand. At the moment the government can just bring in nurses trained abroad." Oh ye of little knowledge 
The country has been in crisis over a shortage of nurses for over 20 years. We have been nicking nurses from other countries for ALL that time and yet we STILL have a shortage. There has been around 40,000 nursing vacancies in England alone for at least 5 years.
Onto the subject of nurse training - there are no long summer holidays as there are in other degrees AND there is a helluva lot more contact time in University than most other degrees. This means NO free time to get part-time work. In fact any part-time work takes away from study hours.
It has been said that taking on a nursing university degree is like taking on two degrees at the same time. This intensity is why the degree contrition rate is poor. 2300 hours have to be completed on placement before one qualifies. Compare that to 1000 hours for physiotherapists. | |||
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"HEE are dropping the funding as of 31st of July I believe, not a decision from any NHS Trusts! Also comments above about Brexit, unless the government do something drastically to support UK nursing programmes or wages, we will continue to recruit internationally it’s just going to make it harder and put NHS trusts under more financial strain
If it means that the trusts use more agency nurses then this has the effect of raising nurses wages since agency nurses can be paid more. This makes nursing more attractive and will encourage more to undertake the training. It will balance out.
Also with the unemployment rate rising, nursing will become more attractive as it is a secure job."Again your knowledge is incomplete. Most Trusts put a ban on agency nursing (or as a last resort). Staff are encouraged to go on bank work to get a decent wage. Also, there are software systems in place to utilise the staff of a hospital in the best way for its patients health and safety. It is colour coded red, green, amber. I'm sure you can imagine that red is unsafe staffing numbers and green is adequate. Therefore staff are sent to other areas, bank staff called to ensure no reds. Sadly this often means no greens either. Specialist nurses are also reassigned departments. This means that everyday the staff work to a constant high pressure. This is unsustainable and people burn out and leave the profession. | |||
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"I'm not sure why students nurses need to be any different to other students when it comes to paying tuition fees. Of course, if we end up with a shortage of nurses after brexit then the government will have to make nursing more attractive by raising wages or reducing the cost of training. That's simple supply and demand. At the moment the government can just bring in nurses trained abroad. Oh ye of little knowledge
The country has been in crisis over a shortage of nurses for over 20 years. We have been nicking nurses from other countries for ALL that time and yet we STILL have a shortage. There has been around 40,000 nursing vacancies in England alone for at least 5 years.
Onto the subject of nurse training - there are no long summer holidays as there are in other degrees AND there is a helluva lot more contact time in University than most other degrees. This means NO free time to get part-time work. In fact any part-time work takes away from study hours.
It has been said that taking on a nursing university degree is like taking on two degrees at the same time. This intensity is why the degree contrition rate is poor. 2300 hours have to be completed on placement before one qualifies. Compare that to 1000 hours for physiotherapists. "Yesss exactly. Add that to the fact that a lot of the students then take on bank shifts as Healthcare Assistants in order to get by, detracting from their study time and also dangerously blurring the lines between un-qualified and qualified duties. Nicking nurses from other countries is not an easy option either, and had started putting healthcare systems in some of the poorer regions or countries under huge strain, hence a number of restrictions now worldwide. Our government needs to fund our own properly first - bottom line. | |||
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"I'm not sure why students nurses need to be any different to other students when it comes to paying tuition fees. Of course, if we end up with a shortage of nurses after brexit then the government will have to make nursing more attractive by raising wages or reducing the cost of training. That's simple supply and demand. At the moment the government can just bring in nurses trained abroad. Oh ye of little knowledge
The country has been in crisis over a shortage of nurses for over 20 years. We have been nicking nurses from other countries for ALL that time and yet we STILL have a shortage. There has been around 40,000 nursing vacancies in England alone for at least 5 years.
Onto the subject of nurse training - there are no long summer holidays as there are in other degrees AND there is a helluva lot more contact time in University than most other degrees. This means NO free time to get part-time work. In fact any part-time work takes away from study hours.
It has been said that taking on a nursing university degree is like taking on two degrees at the same time. This intensity is why the degree contrition rate is poor. 2300 hours have to be completed on placement before one qualifies. Compare that to 1000 hours for physiotherapists. "Also, it is now being pushed as unethical to nick nurses from other countries because there is now a worldwide shortage of nurses. Yes it's a secure job but politically and financially "thankless". | |||
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"I'm not sure why students nurses need to be any different to other students when it comes to paying tuition fees. Of course, if we end up with a shortage of nurses after brexit then the government will have to make nursing more attractive by raising wages or reducing the cost of training. That's simple supply and demand. At the moment the government can just bring in nurses trained abroad. Oh ye of little knowledge
The country has been in crisis over a shortage of nurses for over 20 years. We have been nicking nurses from other countries for ALL that time and yet we STILL have a shortage. There has been around 40,000 nursing vacancies in England alone for at least 5 years.
Onto the subject of nurse training - there are no long summer holidays as there are in other degrees AND there is a helluva lot more contact time in University than most other degrees. This means NO free time to get part-time work. In fact any part-time work takes away from study hours.
It has been said that taking on a nursing university degree is like taking on two degrees at the same time. This intensity is why the degree contrition rate is poor. 2300 hours have to be completed on placement before one qualifies. Compare that to 1000 hours for physiotherapists.
Yesss exactly. Add that to the fact that a lot of the students then take on bank shifts as Healthcare Assistants in order to get by, detracting from their study time and also dangerously blurring the lines between un-qualified and qualified duties.
Nicking nurses from other countries is not an easy option either, and had started putting healthcare systems in some of the poorer regions or countries under huge strain, hence a number of restrictions now worldwide. Our government needs to fund our own properly first - bottom line. "That's the bit I just added as I initially forgot. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training!" I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse." She should be truly ashamed of herself. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself." and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you "Absolutely not and that's backed up by the tens of thousands of health care staff that didn't do it .... | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself." Why? Are you a nurse? Do you work along side agency nurses? Do you treat them differently cos they have filled that vacancy thro an agency? If the trust is willing to pay to fill that vacancy then why vilify the nurse and not direct your hate towards the trust bosses. Some agency nurses are on silly money but it's peanuts compared to the chief exec salaries who should be looking at the bigger picture of retention. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you "Not all nhs would I reckon, Lynn has done 40 yrs in that profession and it is like others a vocation staffed on the whole by people who care about it and the patients which is borne out IMHO by the fact that for years other public sector workers have thought if 'they the nurses' put themselves first they would get treated better by government as regards wages and terms of conditions etc.. They are whilst not alone a different breed as are most care workers to many others who put themselves before what they do and whom they do it for.. | |||
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"For the ignorant lot of us out here, how much do nurses get paid an hour and what pensions/holidays do they get? We hear alot about pay, but no one really puts a figure on it properly. The question is asked alot "do you think nurses ought to be paid more?", people say "yes they should" , but we are largely ignorant of what they are paid to start with and what should it be?" Easy enough to find out. Do a google search- agenda for change band 5 staff nurse wage. Don't forget they pay £120 registration fee per year. Would you do it? Saving lives day in day out, staff shortages of approx 40,000 and thats not even going into the abuse and violent situations mental health nurses deal with. So yes I think they are underpaid. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself." Why? | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself." I absolutely don’t think there’s any shame in being an agency nurse, or working a flawed system in order to better provide for yourself. As someone said above, of course the flexibility of agency and the financial incentive makes perfect sense for them and their family. But I do think the fact that the system makes it this way is where the real shame is. If they raise nurse wages through AfC then agency rates will likely go up too. That’s why I don’t think it’s as simple as a wage increase, it’s also about how nurses are treated, both during training and in their initial careers. Pandemic related clapping aside of course. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. Why?" Because paying an Agency Nurse can cost up to 3 times the amount. As this is public money - that's where you will find you 'Why?' Agency Nursing was introduced as long ago as 1993 - so both the Conservatives and Labour have served their terms while accepting it as the way nursing should go. If one single nurse can be paid 3 times the amount, that's two nurse not being paid at all. So perhaps it would be better policy to pay two nurses half each (increased rate saved by the Agency Nurse). Simply really. | |||
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"As an agency nurse, do you get holiday pay, overtime , pension contributions? " yes they do. | |||
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"As an agency nurse, do you get holiday pay, overtime , pension contributions? yes they do." Just to add 'overtime' is always locally agreed. Not a right unless contracted. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. Why? Because paying an Agency Nurse can cost up to 3 times the amount. As this is public money - that's where you will find you 'Why?' Agency Nursing was introduced as long ago as 1993 - so both the Conservatives and Labour have served their terms while accepting it as the way nursing should go. If one single nurse can be paid 3 times the amount, that's two nurse not being paid at all. So perhaps it would be better policy to pay two nurses half each (increased rate saved by the Agency Nurse). Simply really." Well that's not The nurses fault is it? If I was struggling to bring up a family and got the chance to double my wages..of course I'd take it.Most people would. As mentioned above The gmnt should be hiring nurses through the nhs. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. Why? Because paying an Agency Nurse can cost up to 3 times the amount. As this is public money - that's where you will find you 'Why?' Agency Nursing was introduced as long ago as 1993 - so both the Conservatives and Labour have served their terms while accepting it as the way nursing should go. If one single nurse can be paid 3 times the amount, that's two nurse not being paid at all. So perhaps it would be better policy to pay two nurses half each (increased rate saved by the Agency Nurse). Simply really. Well that's not The nurses fault is it? If I was struggling to bring up a family and got the chance to double my wages..of course I'd take it.Most people would. As mentioned above The gmnt should be hiring nurses through the nhs." Didn't say it was the nurses fault. There shouldn't be Nursing Agencies that create the massive increase in public spending. In general nurses could be paid a whole lot more if Agencies were abolished. If you want the current system to stay then be prepared to pay 3 times the amount for every nurse on every ward in every hospital in the uk. | |||
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"My opinion is that the NHS is very very poorly run. It's not the budget at all, and it's not the front line staff. There's plenty of money, but it's just very bad management and very bad use of funds. They're wasting money left right and centre. One of my friends was doing database development for them for £500 per day. After 3 months, they pulled the project. Wtf?!?! One of my major grips is that when I go there, the radiators are on full and the windows are wide open. Why?!? The NHS pays something like £1 a box of paracetamol whereas Asda sells it for 24p. Considering the NHS huge economy of scale, what the fu** is going on?!? The NHS are always wasting money like this. To some extent, the services are poor too. Huge waiting lists and huge inefficiencies. Anyway, what happened in my case, within the first few days of applying, admin staff completely ballsed up my application and not just once, but several times. Child-like errors too like spelled my email address incorrectly. Why when it's really simple and written in the application form?! Asking for the second page of a PDF?!? It's there - you need to scroll down love. There were more issues too. The whole process was horrendous. In the end, I just gave up. Honestly, it was terrible. In my opinion, it needs a major overhaul, and the target needs to me towards management and small niche services. Some clinics, the NHS is paying thousands of pounds a day to run them whereas a private clinic of the same size is paying hundreds and can do a better job! It's not due to better frontline staff or better equipment... It's just due to having a boss who will bollock staff for wasting money. The NHS doesn't care about wasting as it knows that the tax-payer will pay for it anyway. What was once a world-class healthcare system has become an inefficient, money-pit. "Most big organisations waste money.Our work has just wasted millions on a completely useless system that doesnt work.What I dont understand is when the coalition gmnt came to power they came to every public dept and scoured the ways they could save money.Dont know if they have done it with the NHS. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. Why? Because paying an Agency Nurse can cost up to 3 times the amount. As this is public money - that's where you will find you 'Why?' Agency Nursing was introduced as long ago as 1993 - so both the Conservatives and Labour have served their terms while accepting it as the way nursing should go. If one single nurse can be paid 3 times the amount, that's two nurse not being paid at all. So perhaps it would be better policy to pay two nurses half each (increased rate saved by the Agency Nurse). Simply really. Well that's not The nurses fault is it? If I was struggling to bring up a family and got the chance to double my wages..of course I'd take it.Most people would. As mentioned above The gmnt should be hiring nurses through the nhs. Didn't say it was the nurses fault. There shouldn't be Nursing Agencies that create the massive increase in public spending. In general nurses could be paid a whole lot more if Agencies were abolished. If you want the current system to stay then be prepared to pay 3 times the amount for every nurse on every ward in every hospital in the uk. " It was soneone above who called the nurse selfish. | |||
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"My opinion is that the NHS is very very poorly run. It's not the budget at all, and it's not the front line staff. There's plenty of money, but it's just very bad management and very bad use of funds. They're wasting money left right and centre. One of my friends was doing database development for them for £500 per day. After 3 months, they pulled the project. Wtf?!?! One of my major grips is that when I go there, the radiators are on full and the windows are wide open. Why?!? The NHS pays something like £1 a box of paracetamol whereas Asda sells it for 24p. Considering the NHS huge economy of scale, what the fu** is going on?!? The NHS are always wasting money like this. To some extent, the services are poor too. Huge waiting lists and huge inefficiencies. Anyway, what happened in my case, within the first few days of applying, admin staff completely ballsed up my application and not just once, but several times. Child-like errors too like spelled my email address incorrectly. Why when it's really simple and written in the application form?! Asking for the second page of a PDF?!? It's there - you need to scroll down love. There were more issues too. The whole process was horrendous. In the end, I just gave up. Honestly, it was terrible. In my opinion, it needs a major overhaul, and the target needs to me towards management and small niche services. Some clinics, the NHS is paying thousands of pounds a day to run them whereas a private clinic of the same size is paying hundreds and can do a better job! It's not due to better frontline staff or better equipment... It's just due to having a boss who will bollock staff for wasting money. The NHS doesn't care about wasting as it knows that the tax-payer will pay for it anyway. What was once a world-class healthcare system has become an inefficient, money-pit. "Nothing will ever change,if the government says it's going to change the NHS the union and management are all over the news. Save our NHS they are trying to privatise it, you can't win to many back handers and nice little earners. | |||
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"My opinion is that the NHS is very very poorly run. It's not the budget at all, and it's not the front line staff. There's plenty of money, but it's just very bad management and very bad use of funds. They're wasting money left right and centre. One of my friends was doing database development for them for £500 per day. After 3 months, they pulled the project. Wtf?!?! One of my major grips is that when I go there, the radiators are on full and the windows are wide open. Why?!? The NHS pays something like £1 a box of paracetamol whereas Asda sells it for 24p. Considering the NHS huge economy of scale, what the fu** is going on?!? The NHS are always wasting money like this. To some extent, the services are poor too. Huge waiting lists and huge inefficiencies. Anyway, what happened in my case, within the first few days of applying, admin staff completely ballsed up my application and not just once, but several times. Child-like errors too like spelled my email address incorrectly. Why when it's really simple and written in the application form?! Asking for the second page of a PDF?!? It's there - you need to scroll down love. There were more issues too. The whole process was horrendous. In the end, I just gave up. Honestly, it was terrible. In my opinion, it needs a major overhaul, and the target needs to me towards management and small niche services. Some clinics, the NHS is paying thousands of pounds a day to run them whereas a private clinic of the same size is paying hundreds and can do a better job! It's not due to better frontline staff or better equipment... It's just due to having a boss who will bollock staff for wasting money. The NHS doesn't care about wasting as it knows that the tax-payer will pay for it anyway. What was once a world-class healthcare system has become an inefficient, money-pit. Nothing will ever change,if the government says it's going to change the NHS the union and management are all over the news. Save our NHS they are trying to privatise it, you can't win to many back handers and nice little earners. "Yep we should just let the tories do what they want with it. | |||
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"My opinion is that the NHS is very very poorly run. It's not the budget at all, and it's not the front line staff. There's plenty of money, but it's just very bad management and very bad use of funds. They're wasting money left right and centre. One of my friends was doing database development for them for £500 per day. After 3 months, they pulled the project. Wtf?!?! One of my major grips is that when I go there, the radiators are on full and the windows are wide open. Why?!? The NHS pays something like £1 a box of paracetamol whereas Asda sells it for 24p. Considering the NHS huge economy of scale, what the fu** is going on?!? The NHS are always wasting money like this. To some extent, the services are poor too. Huge waiting lists and huge inefficiencies. Anyway, what happened in my case, within the first few days of applying, admin staff completely ballsed up my application and not just once, but several times. Child-like errors too like spelled my email address incorrectly. Why when it's really simple and written in the application form?! Asking for the second page of a PDF?!? It's there - you need to scroll down love. There were more issues too. The whole process was horrendous. In the end, I just gave up. Honestly, it was terrible. In my opinion, it needs a major overhaul, and the target needs to me towards management and small niche services. Some clinics, the NHS is paying thousands of pounds a day to run them whereas a private clinic of the same size is paying hundreds and can do a better job! It's not due to better frontline staff or better equipment... It's just due to having a boss who will bollock staff for wasting money. The NHS doesn't care about wasting as it knows that the tax-payer will pay for it anyway. What was once a world-class healthcare system has become an inefficient, money-pit. Nothing will ever change,if the government says it's going to change the NHS the union and management are all over the news. Save our NHS they are trying to privatise it, you can't win to many back handers and nice little earners.
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"My opinion is that the NHS is very very poorly run. It's not the budget at all, and it's not the front line staff. There's plenty of money, but it's just very bad management and very bad use of funds. They're wasting money left right and centre. One of my friends was doing database development for them for £500 per day. After 3 months, they pulled the project. Wtf?!?! One of my major grips is that when I go there, the radiators are on full and the windows are wide open. Why?!? The NHS pays something like £1 a box of paracetamol whereas Asda sells it for 24p. Considering the NHS huge economy of scale, what the fu** is going on?!? The NHS are always wasting money like this. To some extent, the services are poor too. Huge waiting lists and huge inefficiencies. Anyway, what happened in my case, within the first few days of applying, admin staff completely ballsed up my application and not just once, but several times. Child-like errors too like spelled my email address incorrectly. Why when it's really simple and written in the application form?! Asking for the second page of a PDF?!? It's there - you need to scroll down love. There were more issues too. The whole process was horrendous. In the end, I just gave up. Honestly, it was terrible. In my opinion, it needs a major overhaul, and the target needs to me towards management and small niche services. Some clinics, the NHS is paying thousands of pounds a day to run them whereas a private clinic of the same size is paying hundreds and can do a better job! It's not due to better frontline staff or better equipment... It's just due to having a boss who will bollock staff for wasting money. The NHS doesn't care about wasting as it knows that the tax-payer will pay for it anyway. What was once a world-class healthcare system has become an inefficient, money-pit. Nothing will ever change,if the government says it's going to change the NHS the union and management are all over the news. Save our NHS they are trying to privatise it, you can't win to many back handers and nice little earners.
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"Another example of how disgraceful the conservative has become. And what’s even more puzzling is that so many people vote for them or still defend them. How do they get to brainwash these people? That the tories can get away with this after the shitshow they’ve been running for 10 years is the biggest mystery on Earth. Keep calm and carry on the sheep! " The NHS is systematically run down and the blame is pointed at the management and the unions. Couldnt make it up could you? | |||
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"Another example of how disgraceful the conservative has become. And what’s even more puzzling is that so many people vote for them or still defend them. How do they get to brainwash these people? That the tories can get away with this after the shitshow they’ve been running for 10 years is the biggest mystery on Earth. Keep calm and carry on the sheep! The NHS is systematically run down and the blame is pointed at the management and the unions. Couldnt make it up could you?" They’re doing the same thing with schools. They make stupid decisions such as reopening schools with a 2m social distancing rule that makes the whole thing impossible and then they blame the Unions. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself." Who are you to judge? She would have still given the care patients deserve, but be able to pay all her bills! I think you should be ashamed of your judgement. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you
Absolutely not and that's backed up by the tens of thousands of health care staff that didn't do it ....
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you
Not all nhs would I reckon, Lynn has done 40 yrs in that profession and it is like others a vocation staffed on the whole by people who care about it and the patients which is borne out IMHO by the fact that for years other public sector workers have thought if 'they the nurses' put themselves first they would get treated better by government as regards wages and terms of conditions etc..
They are whilst not alone a different breed as are most care workers to many others who put themselves before what they do and whom they do it for.. "It's not a vocation. That claptrap keeps the wages low IMHO. Yes nurses HAVE to have empathy to fulfil their duties to a high standard in a highly pressurised environment. For some nurses they also HAVE to get the financial rewards (wages) they require to survive. Needing to go to food banks is hardly survival. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. I absolutely don’t think there’s any shame in being an agency nurse, or working a flawed system in order to better provide for yourself. As someone said above, of course the flexibility of agency and the financial incentive makes perfect sense for them and their family. But I do think the fact that the system makes it this way is where the real shame is. If they raise nurse wages through AfC then agency rates will likely go up too. That’s why I don’t think it’s as simple as a wage increase, it’s also about how nurses are treated, both during training and in their initial careers. Pandemic related clapping aside of course. " Do you want to know how it is for student nurses? Let's just say the way nurses treat their patients is not the way some staff and some lecturers treat students. There is a great deal of bullying | |||
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"Ultimately it is the Govt that decides. The Tory’s have had 10 years, so it is their problem. BJ promised 50,000 more nurses to bribe people to vote for him. It seems like another one of his lies "Of course it's lies, especially when you consider a large number was composed of retaining nurses. | |||
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"Why exactly should she be ashamed , what a stupid comment. Let's flip it to your circumstances ... Eg your current job say your on £13 quid an hour , your life and shift pattern was all over the place, u were expected Todo more and more with less and less staff. I offered you £10 a hour more Todo the same job , you pick your own hours , your own workplace , if u don't like it u don't go back their , u work 2 days a week instead of 4 , u don't do 3 nights Finnish on a Monday and are expected back on a long day on a Tuesday would u turn it down ? Of course u wouldnt was the best 18 months of my life working in agency no stress ,no hassle , better pay , perfect work life balance , work as much or as little as I chose not what was dictated to me , I only went back to the NHS as the position I was offered was massive step up in terms of progression and only very slightly less that what I was earning on agency. And Even now I'm contemplating going back to agency " | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you
Not all nhs would I reckon, Lynn has done 40 yrs in that profession and it is like others a vocation staffed on the whole by people who care about it and the patients which is borne out IMHO by the fact that for years other public sector workers have thought if 'they the nurses' put themselves first they would get treated better by government as regards wages and terms of conditions etc..
They are whilst not alone a different breed as are most care workers to many others who put themselves before what they do and whom they do it for..
It's not a vocation. That claptrap keeps the wages low IMHO. Yes nurses HAVE to have empathy to fulfil their duties to a high standard in a highly pressurised environment. For some nurses they also HAVE to get the financial rewards (wages) they require to survive. Needing to go to food banks is hardly survival. "The fact that nurses (any one really)who works and has to go to a food bank is an absolute scandal. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. I absolutely don’t think there’s any shame in being an agency nurse, or working a flawed system in order to better provide for yourself. As someone said above, of course the flexibility of agency and the financial incentive makes perfect sense for them and their family. But I do think the fact that the system makes it this way is where the real shame is. If they raise nurse wages through AfC then agency rates will likely go up too. That’s why I don’t think it’s as simple as a wage increase, it’s also about how nurses are treated, both during training and in their initial careers. Pandemic related clapping aside of course. Do you want to know how it is for student nurses? Let's just say the way nurses treat their patients is not the way some staff and some lecturers treat students. There is a great deal of bullying " Agree. So much so there is even the phrase that 'Nurses eat their young'. Sad, and not all nurses, but it does go on. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you
Not all nhs would I reckon, Lynn has done 40 yrs in that profession and it is like others a vocation staffed on the whole by people who care about it and the patients which is borne out IMHO by the fact that for years other public sector workers have thought if 'they the nurses' put themselves first they would get treated better by government as regards wages and terms of conditions etc..
They are whilst not alone a different breed as are most care workers to many others who put themselves before what they do and whom they do it for..
It's not a vocation. That claptrap keeps the wages low IMHO. Yes nurses HAVE to have empathy to fulfil their duties to a high standard in a highly pressurised environment. For some nurses they also HAVE to get the financial rewards (wages) they require to survive. Needing to go to food banks is hardly survival. " | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. Why? Because paying an Agency Nurse can cost up to 3 times the amount. As this is public money - that's where you will find you 'Why?' Agency Nursing was introduced as long ago as 1993 - so both the Conservatives and Labour have served their terms while accepting it as the way nursing should go. If one single nurse can be paid 3 times the amount, that's two nurse not being paid at all. So perhaps it would be better policy to pay two nurses half each (increased rate saved by the Agency Nurse). Simply really." Rubbish. Agency nurses are used as a last resort and often Trust management bans their use. Two nurses are not not getting paid. There simply is not enough nurses in the country to fill all the vacancies. I'll put it in simple figures in an example: Trust has 100 vacancies, let's imagine those vacancies are shifts. They call upon bank staff to fill as many shifts as possible and reroute staff on other wards to ensure staffing doesn't go down to dangerous levels per ward: 20 staff rerouted (including health care assistants) = £0 extra cost 20 staff on Bank, not allowed to take overtime but days off in lieu = £0 extra cost 20 agency nurses 2-3x cost Still equates to minimum of 40 shifts (vacancies) not paid for by Trust. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you
Not all nhs would I reckon, Lynn has done 40 yrs in that profession and it is like others a vocation staffed on the whole by people who care about it and the patients which is borne out IMHO by the fact that for years other public sector workers have thought if 'they the nurses' put themselves first they would get treated better by government as regards wages and terms of conditions etc..
They are whilst not alone a different breed as are most care workers to many others who put themselves before what they do and whom they do it for..
It's not a vocation. That claptrap keeps the wages low IMHO. Yes nurses HAVE to have empathy to fulfil their duties to a high standard in a highly pressurised environment. For some nurses they also HAVE to get the financial rewards (wages) they require to survive. Needing to go to food banks is hardly survival. "Thanks for that polite response, will need to differ if that's the appropriate word but absolutely agree that no worker in full time employment should have to use food banks, and not just NHS staff.. That is however a different topic.. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you
Not all nhs would I reckon, Lynn has done 40 yrs in that profession and it is like others a vocation staffed on the whole by people who care about it and the patients which is borne out IMHO by the fact that for years other public sector workers have thought if 'they the nurses' put themselves first they would get treated better by government as regards wages and terms of conditions etc..
They are whilst not alone a different breed as are most care workers to many others who put themselves before what they do and whom they do it for..
It's not a vocation. That claptrap keeps the wages low IMHO. Yes nurses HAVE to have empathy to fulfil their duties to a high standard in a highly pressurised environment. For some nurses they also HAVE to get the financial rewards (wages) they require to survive. Needing to go to food banks is hardly survival.
Thanks for that polite response, will need to differ if that's the appropriate word but absolutely agree that no worker in full time employment should have to use food banks, and not just NHS staff..
That is however a different topic.. " I was actually agreeing with the sentiment but cursing the terminology  . The majority of nurses DO go beyond their remit because they care about their patients  | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you
Not all nhs would I reckon, Lynn has done 40 yrs in that profession and it is like others a vocation staffed on the whole by people who care about it and the patients which is borne out IMHO by the fact that for years other public sector workers have thought if 'they the nurses' put themselves first they would get treated better by government as regards wages and terms of conditions etc..
They are whilst not alone a different breed as are most care workers to many others who put themselves before what they do and whom they do it for..
It's not a vocation. That claptrap keeps the wages low IMHO. Yes nurses HAVE to have empathy to fulfil their duties to a high standard in a highly pressurised environment. For some nurses they also HAVE to get the financial rewards (wages) they require to survive. Needing to go to food banks is hardly survival.
Thanks for that polite response, will need to differ if that's the appropriate word but absolutely agree that no worker in full time employment should have to use food banks, and not just NHS staff..
That is however a different topic..
I was actually agreeing with the sentiment but cursing the terminology . The majority of nurses DO go beyond their remit because they care about their patients "My apologies if I came across as a bit curt, no offence intended.. I was on strike twice in my time, once over salary and it used to puzzle me that nurses seemed to care more for the job than at times their own financial state and that if it never changed they would continue to be taken advantage if by all governments.. That in no way diminishes my utmost respect for those that do the job, we have several of different areas of clinical care in our immediate family.. | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you
Not all nhs would I reckon, Lynn has done 40 yrs in that profession and it is like others a vocation staffed on the whole by people who care about it and the patients which is borne out IMHO by the fact that for years other public sector workers have thought if 'they the nurses' put themselves first they would get treated better by government as regards wages and terms of conditions etc..
They are whilst not alone a different breed as are most care workers to many others who put themselves before what they do and whom they do it for..
It's not a vocation. That claptrap keeps the wages low IMHO. Yes nurses HAVE to have empathy to fulfil their duties to a high standard in a highly pressurised environment. For some nurses they also HAVE to get the financial rewards (wages) they require to survive. Needing to go to food banks is hardly survival.
Thanks for that polite response, will need to differ if that's the appropriate word but absolutely agree that no worker in full time employment should have to use food banks, and not just NHS staff..
That is however a different topic..
I was actually agreeing with the sentiment but cursing the terminology . The majority of nurses DO go beyond their remit because they care about their patients
My apologies if I came across as a bit curt, no offence intended..
I was on strike twice in my time, once over salary and it used to puzzle me that nurses seemed to care more for the job than at times their own financial state and that if it never changed they would continue to be taken advantage if by all governments..
That in no way diminishes my utmost respect for those that do the job, we have several of different areas of clinical care in our immediate family.. "I don't think the breed of person going into the job has changed, but our culture has. In those 40 years of your wife being a nurse, there has been a distinct change in the makeup of households. Back in the day most nurses bringing home a wage, it would be the household's second income. Nowadays there are more men as nurses, more individual households, and single parent households - so the majority of nurses now rely on that one wage. | |||
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"Another example of how disgraceful the conservative has become. And what’s even more puzzling is that so many people vote for them or still defend them. How do they get to brainwash these people? That the tories can get away with this after the shitshow they’ve been running for 10 years is the biggest mystery on Earth. Keep calm and carry on the sheep! The NHS is systematically run down and the blame is pointed at the management and the unions. Couldnt make it up could you?" The management in NHS is terrible Staff great | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. and you wouldn't of done exactly the same if had been you
Not all nhs would I reckon, Lynn has done 40 yrs in that profession and it is like others a vocation staffed on the whole by people who care about it and the patients which is borne out IMHO by the fact that for years other public sector workers have thought if 'they the nurses' put themselves first they would get treated better by government as regards wages and terms of conditions etc..
They are whilst not alone a different breed as are most care workers to many others who put themselves before what they do and whom they do it for..
It's not a vocation. That claptrap keeps the wages low IMHO. Yes nurses HAVE to have empathy to fulfil their duties to a high standard in a highly pressurised environment. For some nurses they also HAVE to get the financial rewards (wages) they require to survive. Needing to go to food banks is hardly survival.
Thanks for that polite response, will need to differ if that's the appropriate word but absolutely agree that no worker in full time employment should have to use food banks, and not just NHS staff..
That is however a different topic..
I was actually agreeing with the sentiment but cursing the terminology . The majority of nurses DO go beyond their remit because they care about their patients
My apologies if I came across as a bit curt, no offence intended..
I was on strike twice in my time, once over salary and it used to puzzle me that nurses seemed to care more for the job than at times their own financial state and that if it never changed they would continue to be taken advantage if by all governments..
That in no way diminishes my utmost respect for those that do the job, we have several of different areas of clinical care in our immediate family..
I don't think the breed of person going into the job has changed, but our culture has. In those 40 years of your wife being a nurse, there has been a distinct change in the makeup of households. Back in the day most nurses bringing home a wage, it would be the household's second income. Nowadays there are more men as nurses, more individual households, and single parent households - so the majority of nurses now rely on that one wage. "True, not an aspect I had thought of tbh.. | |||
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"Another example of how disgraceful the conservative has become. And what’s even more puzzling is that so many people vote for them or still defend them. How do they get to brainwash these people? That the tories can get away with this after the shitshow they’ve been running for 10 years is the biggest mystery on Earth. Keep calm and carry on the sheep! The NHS is systematically run down and the blame is pointed at the management and the unions. Couldnt make it up could you? The management in NHS is terrible Staff great" Bit of a sweeping statement | |||
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"Let's up income tax, cut benefits and do it. No we can't we're already going to spend that on virus proof schools Everyone needs to plant another money tree." Well your friends have managed to find huge money trees in the past few months. I suspect that this would be the equivalent of two blends of grass in comparison. What do some cult followers need to start opening their eyes? | |||
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"If the vacant posts were filled, the NHS could save up to £1.56 billion on agency staff costs. Quote Unquote. " I thought the gmnt was going to take on x number of new nurses? | |||
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"If the vacant posts were filled, the NHS could save up to £1.56 billion on agency staff costs. Quote Unquote. " The vacant posts (plus 50,000 extra promised by BJ) need people to be trained. These are typically Student Nurses to start with. Training takes at least 3 years and removing the Bursary and making Student Nurses have to pay has limitedthe munber of new Student Nurses. So asusual just sound bites from BJ (or a lie if you areless polite). They will never add 50,000 net new nurses, they couldn’t add 1! | |||
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"As an agency nurse, do you get holiday pay, overtime , pension contributions? yes they do." | |||
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"Using agency nurses is not a good alternative though. Why does that make sense to bankrupt Trusts through mountainous agency or international spends when the government could just put more into supporting nurses through their training? Nurses aren’t often in the career for the financial gain, so the promise of agency wages isn’t necessarily going to attract. It’s more about just being able to survive while you’re training! I remember a friend who was a nurse in a nuffield hospital, she left her job to be an agency nurse. She went back to the same hospital, but in double the wages. That means the hospital paid more than, 2 nurses salaries for one nurse. She should be truly ashamed of herself. Why? Because paying an Agency Nurse can cost up to 3 times the amount. As this is public money - that's where you will find you 'Why?' Agency Nursing was introduced as long ago as 1993 - so both the Conservatives and Labour have served their terms while accepting it as the way nursing should go. If one single nurse can be paid 3 times the amount, that's two nurse not being paid at all. So perhaps it would be better policy to pay two nurses half each (increased rate saved by the Agency Nurse). Simply really. Well that's not The nurses fault is it? If I was struggling to bring up a family and got the chance to double my wages..of course I'd take it.Most people would. As mentioned above The gmnt should be hiring nurses through the nhs. Didn't say it was the nurses fault. There shouldn't be Nursing Agencies that create the massive increase in public spending. In general nurses could be paid a whole lot more if Agencies were abolished. If you want the current system to stay then be prepared to pay 3 times the amount for every nurse on every ward in every hospital in the uk. " | |||
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"So the Govt pressured Student Nurses to support the NHS during Covid, put them in the front line and now decide they aren’t needed and can just go back to being unpaid, whilst living with £30k tuition fees and no Universities open. NHS England are clearly entitled to do this, but how callous are they? Did they really need to do it like this? Could they not recognise the sacrifices made by the Students to help save lives. This is sadly indicative of Hancock and the Govt attitude to ordinary people - cannon fodder! "Nothing to do with Govt & everything to do with NHS management. | |||
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" No you don't actuslly, most agency pay your " holiday pay " as part of your hourly wage and then it's up to you to diduct and save that,u get a very basic pension which is law now that everyone has to have a work based pension , and you don't get paid overtime As an agency nurse, do you get holiday pay, overtime , pension contributions? yes they do." Thank you for the reply, paying nurses on band 5 £22-25 ish per hour seems fair on a self employed basis , maybe it would suit some people better and would probably be cost neutral, by the time the holiday pay, maternity pay, sick pay, pension, etc | |||
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"My Daughter is one of these Student nurses she went to work in the A&E department both Green and Red areas However she has been signed off as she has completed her student hours. She is just waiting to hear if she will receive her Pin (which she has to pay £120 for ) if this happens she has been told she can start early as a qualified nurse in the A&E Department as she was offered a job back in February " | |||
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"My Daughter is one of these Student nurses she went to work in the A&E department both Green and Red areas However she has been signed off as she has completed her student hours. She is just waiting to hear if she will receive her Pin (which she has to pay £120 for ) if this happens she has been told she can start early as a qualified nurse in the A&E Department as she was offered a job back in February " Ah well done to your daughter. Just to add that £120 fee is to register and it’s a yearly cost | |||
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"My Daughter is one of these Student nurses she went to work in the A&E department both Green and Red areas However she has been signed off as she has completed her student hours. She is just waiting to hear if she will receive her Pin (which she has to pay £120 for ) if this happens she has been told she can start early as a qualified nurse in the A&E Department as she was offered a job back in February Ah well done to your daughter. Just to add that £120 fee is to register and it’s a yearly cost "She’s knows I was taken back when she told me about it | |||
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"My Daughter is one of these Student nurses she went to work in the A&E department both Green and Red areas However she has been signed off as she has completed her student hours. She is just waiting to hear if she will receive her Pin (which she has to pay £120 for ) if this happens she has been told she can start early as a qualified nurse in the A&E Department as she was offered a job back in February Ah well done to your daughter. Just to add that £120 fee is to register and it’s a yearly cost
She’s knows I was taken back when she told me about it "Most professions have a cost to remain registered and cpd to complete, we have to keep the checkers in their cosy little jobs. | |||
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"My Daughter is one of these Student nurses she went to work in the A&E department both Green and Red areas However she has been signed off as she has completed her student hours. She is just waiting to hear if she will receive her Pin (which she has to pay £120 for ) if this happens she has been told she can start early as a qualified nurse in the A&E Department as she was offered a job back in February Ah well done to your daughter. Just to add that £120 fee is to register and it’s a yearly cost
She’s knows I was taken back when she told me about it "Some trusts will refund the cost of the first years registration, might be worth her checking this | |||
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"My Daughter is one of these Student nurses she went to work in the A&E department both Green and Red areas However she has been signed off as she has completed her student hours. She is just waiting to hear if she will receive her Pin (which she has to pay £120 for ) if this happens she has been told she can start early as a qualified nurse in the A&E Department as she was offered a job back in February Ah well done to your daughter. Just to add that £120 fee is to register and it’s a yearly cost
She’s knows I was taken back when she told me about it
Some trusts will refund the cost of the first years registration, might be worth her checking this "And make sure she claims tax relief on it plus the standard amount for washing uniforms/shoes/socks. | |||
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"My Daughter is one of these Student nurses she went to work in the A&E department both Green and Red areas However she has been signed off as she has completed her student hours. She is just waiting to hear if she will receive her Pin (which she has to pay £120 for ) if this happens she has been told she can start early as a qualified nurse in the A&E Department as she was offered a job back in February Ah well done to your daughter. Just to add that £120 fee is to register and it’s a yearly cost
She’s knows I was taken back when she told me about it
Some trusts will refund the cost of the first years registration, might be worth her checking this
And make sure she claims tax relief on it plus the standard amount for washing uniforms/shoes/socks."She is claiming for the uniform didn’t know if she could for the registration fee thanks 
She called me last night ....
It’s going to the board at the beginning of July so hopefully she will have her pin mid July ... | |||
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"My Daughter is one of these Student nurses she went to work in the A&E department both Green and Red areas However she has been signed off as she has completed her student hours. She is just waiting to hear if she will receive her Pin (which she has to pay £120 for ) if this happens she has been told she can start early as a qualified nurse in the A&E Department as she was offered a job back in February Ah well done to your daughter. Just to add that £120 fee is to register and it’s a yearly cost
She’s knows I was taken back when she told me about it
Some trusts will refund the cost of the first years registration, might be worth her checking this
And make sure she claims tax relief on it plus the standard amount for washing uniforms/shoes/socks.
She is claiming for the uniform didn’t know if she could for the registration fee thanks
She called me last night ....
It’s going to the board at the beginning of July so hopefully she will have her pin mid July ... "All the hard work has paid off. Proud Mummy/Daddy moment allowed. Another good tip is to apply for a 3 year NUS extra/totum card whilst she sti ll has access to her uni .ac account. It's definitely worth it for the discounts. | |||
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