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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. " Put a tiger in the tank and get it done Blubbering idiot | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. " What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? | |||
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"Mistakes were made from the start and I've a feeling they are now trying to save face and fudging the numbers to stretch this out to say they were right Public enquires on why the NHS were sending coivid positive patients back to care house which as killed God only knows how many And the job retention scheme is a joke Schools should have been opened fully be now as there is very little risk The list goes on " How is the job retention scheme a joke? | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. " What on Earth has trump got to do with it?! | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? " When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations." There are countries that get it right, those that get it ok and those that fuck up. Full stop. And our stats tell us where we are. This country doesn’t believe in government’s intervention. The Germans or the French would never complain of x as nanny state for example, here yes. In a pandemic you need a gvt thst has the balls to intervene seriously, with rigour and intent not in a flaky way like we did at the very start. This the difference between success, damage limitation or a complete failure. And our clowns are responsible for this. | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations." Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What on Earth has trump got to do with it?! " AND this  | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What on Earth has trump got to do with it?! " As I say, trump's approval of his covid19 was never higher than 53% at any point, because he's a devicive figure. At one point, Johnsons handling had 73% approval. The reversal is quite staggering. | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. " And brexiters would back up Bojo at any cost as long as he gets Brexit done. Even if he killed their mum they’d still be in love with blondie. The cult... Delete message text (delete only av | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it " To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. And brexiters would back up Bojo at any cost as long as he gets Brexit done. Even if he killed their mum they’d still be in love with blondie. The cult... Delete message text (delete only av" The question specifically relates to covid19 handling, but his overall approval has taken a dive too. Pretty much the same actually. 39% think he's done well with covid19 and 43% approve generally. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally?" Yes please, that would be lovely | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? Yes please, that would be lovely " Wow, I'm not sure there's enough room for your ego in this thread. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. " Well done you. You are a legend in your own mind. How do you get your head through the door. I'm in awe of someone who has never got anything wrong. Praise enough?? | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? " Even when deeply stuck in the shit, some people are still happy and think that everything’s good. It’s all about expectations. In my job, I have high expectations of myself and my colleagues. So I have high expectations of the people who are elected to look after us. I don’t expect crap especially from people who tell us we’re the best in the world at everything. However if you’re pleased with shitty results and if you have low expectations, I’m not surprised you’re pleased. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? Yes please, that would be lovely Wow, I'm not sure there's enough room for your ego in this thread." Takes a big person to release their ideology and admit they were wrong. Be strong, you can do it... | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? Yes please, that would be lovely Wow, I'm not sure there's enough room for your ego in this thread." | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? Even when deeply stuck in the shit, some people are still happy and think that everything’s good. It’s all about expectations. In my job, I have high expectations of myself and my colleagues. So I have high expectations of the people who are elected to look after us. I don’t expect crap especially from people who tell us we’re the best in the world at everything. However if you’re pleased with shitty results and if you have low expectations, I’m not surprised you’re pleased. " My response was not to you. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? Yes please, that would be lovely Wow, I'm not sure there's enough room for your ego in this thread. Takes a big person to release their ideology and admit they were wrong. Be strong, you can do it... "  | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. Well done you. You are a legend in your own mind. How do you get your head through the door. I'm in awe of someone who has never got anything wrong. Praise enough??" When I get things wrong, it's more like the correct ratio of orange juice to grapefruit juice in my morning drink. Not 41,969 people dying and 600,000 losing their jobs. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? Even when deeply stuck in the shit, some people are still happy and think that everything’s good. It’s all about expectations. In my job, I have high expectations of myself and my colleagues. So I have high expectations of the people who are elected to look after us. I don’t expect crap especially from people who tell us we’re the best in the world at everything. However if you’re pleased with shitty results and if you have low expectations, I’m not surprised you’re pleased. My response was not to you. " I know but what I write seems to apply to you I’m afraid. If you expect crap, you’re pleased with crap. That’s the problem. Personally I expect a so called world beating country that keeps boasting about everything and think it’s better at everything not to have such disastrous results. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? Even when deeply stuck in the shit, some people are still happy and think that everything’s good. It’s all about expectations. In my job, I have high expectations of myself and my colleagues. So I have high expectations of the people who are elected to look after us. I don’t expect crap especially from people who tell us we’re the best in the world at everything. However if you’re pleased with shitty results and if you have low expectations, I’m not surprised you’re pleased. My response was not to you. I know but what I write seems to apply to you I’m afraid. If you expect crap, you’re pleased with crap. That’s the problem. Personally I expect a so called world beating country that keeps boasting about everything and think it’s better at everything not to have such disastrous results." You have no idea what my opinions are on this matter. I just think making a post asking people to apologise for having a certain opinion is egotistical and unnecessary. I also think the nose up in the air and the 'I'm better than you' snobbery in this thread is very telling. You all carry on standing on your pedestals, that's fine, but don't expect me to be sitting at your feet. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? Even when deeply stuck in the shit, some people are still happy and think that everything’s good. It’s all about expectations. In my job, I have high expectations of myself and my colleagues. So I have high expectations of the people who are elected to look after us. I don’t expect crap especially from people who tell us we’re the best in the world at everything. However if you’re pleased with shitty results and if you have low expectations, I’m not surprised you’re pleased. My response was not to you. I know but what I write seems to apply to you I’m afraid. If you expect crap, you’re pleased with crap. That’s the problem. Personally I expect a so called world beating country that keeps boasting about everything and think it’s better at everything not to have such disastrous results. You have no idea what my opinions are on this matter. I just think making a post asking people to apologise for having a certain opinion is egotistical and unnecessary. I also think the nose up in the air and the 'I'm better than you' snobbery in this thread is very telling. You all carry on standing on your pedestals, that's fine, but don't expect me to be sitting at your feet. " Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. | |||
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"Am I the only person somewhat bemused and baffled? This site is called fab swingers right? I suspect everyone has been cooped up too long and we need to reality check soonest possible. In a club, having a laugh xx" No your not the only one | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. Well done you. You are a legend in your own mind. How do you get your head through the door. I'm in awe of someone who has never got anything wrong. Praise enough?? When I get things wrong, it's more like the correct ratio of orange juice to grapefruit juice in my morning drink. Not 41,969 people dying and 600,000 losing their jobs. " Ha ha ha ha. Blocked me for being sarcastic. What a complete over inflated egotistical numpty. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? Even when deeply stuck in the shit, some people are still happy and think that everything’s good. It’s all about expectations. In my job, I have high expectations of myself and my colleagues. So I have high expectations of the people who are elected to look after us. I don’t expect crap especially from people who tell us we’re the best in the world at everything. However if you’re pleased with shitty results and if you have low expectations, I’m not surprised you’re pleased. My response was not to you. I know but what I write seems to apply to you I’m afraid. If you expect crap, you’re pleased with crap. That’s the problem. Personally I expect a so called world beating country that keeps boasting about everything and think it’s better at everything not to have such disastrous results. You have no idea what my opinions are on this matter. I just think making a post asking people to apologise for having a certain opinion is egotistical and unnecessary. I also think the nose up in the air and the 'I'm better than you' snobbery in this thread is very telling. You all carry on standing on your pedestals, that's fine, but don't expect me to be sitting at your feet. Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. " Really? You quoted me twice and told me your comments applied to me, how was that not personal? Did I say anything about my personal opinions on the government in this thread? No! You chose to single me out and assume you knew what my opinions were. You made it personal. | |||
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"Am I the only person somewhat bemused and baffled? This site is called fab swingers right? I suspect everyone has been cooped up too long and we need to reality check soonest possible. In a club, having a laugh xx" I can't bloody wait! | |||
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" Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. " To be honest, I am standing on a pedestal. I was saying the government had completely failed back in march when the popular opinion was very much in their favour. I knew Neil Ferguson was a scam artist and couldn't model for shit. Just check all his past predictions... I wasn't alone in this view, some people do fact check things. But we had to put up with all the snide remarks about fab experts from the kind of people who still think the best of best head of public sector jobs and universities. | |||
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" Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. To be honest, I am standing on a pedestal. I was saying the government had completely failed back in march when the popular opinion was very much in their favour. I knew Neil Ferguson was a scam artist and couldn't model for shit. Just check all his past predictions... I wasn't alone in this view, some people do fact check things. But we had to put up with all the snide remarks about fab experts from the kind of people who still think the best of best head of public sector jobs and universities. "Enjoy it up there. Careful you don't fall off. | |||
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" Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. To be honest, I am standing on a pedestal. I was saying the government had completely failed back in march when the popular opinion was very much in their favour. I knew Neil Ferguson was a scam artist and couldn't model for shit. Just check all his past predictions... I wasn't alone in this view, some people do fact check things. But we had to put up with all the snide remarks about fab experts from the kind of people who still think the best of best head of public sector jobs and universities.
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" Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. To be honest, I am standing on a pedestal. I was saying the government had completely failed back in march when the popular opinion was very much in their favour. I knew Neil Ferguson was a scam artist and couldn't model for shit. Just check all his past predictions... I wasn't alone in this view, some people do fact check things. But we had to put up with all the snide remarks about fab experts from the kind of people who still think the best of best head of public sector jobs and universities.
Enjoy it up there. Careful you don't fall off.
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? Even when deeply stuck in the shit, some people are still happy and think that everything’s good. It’s all about expectations. In my job, I have high expectations of myself and my colleagues. So I have high expectations of the people who are elected to look after us. I don’t expect crap especially from people who tell us we’re the best in the world at everything. However if you’re pleased with shitty results and if you have low expectations, I’m not surprised you’re pleased. My response was not to you. I know but what I write seems to apply to you I’m afraid. If you expect crap, you’re pleased with crap. That’s the problem. Personally I expect a so called world beating country that keeps boasting about everything and think it’s better at everything not to have such disastrous results. You have no idea what my opinions are on this matter. I just think making a post asking people to apologise for having a certain opinion is egotistical and unnecessary. I also think the nose up in the air and the 'I'm better than you' snobbery in this thread is very telling. You all carry on standing on your pedestals, that's fine, but don't expect me to be sitting at your feet. Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. Really? You quoted me twice and told me your comments applied to me, how was that not personal? Did I say anything about my personal opinions on the government in this thread? No! You chose to single me out and assume you knew what my opinions were. You made it personal. " Oh my god. Grow up please. If you can’t take a bit of criticism and disagreement on a controversial topic, don’t join in and watch the teletubbies. It’s not because somebody disagrees with you or quotes your post that they are being personal. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? Even when deeply stuck in the shit, some people are still happy and think that everything’s good. It’s all about expectations. In my job, I have high expectations of myself and my colleagues. So I have high expectations of the people who are elected to look after us. I don’t expect crap especially from people who tell us we’re the best in the world at everything. However if you’re pleased with shitty results and if you have low expectations, I’m not surprised you’re pleased. My response was not to you. I know but what I write seems to apply to you I’m afraid. If you expect crap, you’re pleased with crap. That’s the problem. Personally I expect a so called world beating country that keeps boasting about everything and think it’s better at everything not to have such disastrous results. You have no idea what my opinions are on this matter. I just think making a post asking people to apologise for having a certain opinion is egotistical and unnecessary. I also think the nose up in the air and the 'I'm better than you' snobbery in this thread is very telling. You all carry on standing on your pedestals, that's fine, but don't expect me to be sitting at your feet. Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. Really? You quoted me twice and told me your comments applied to me, how was that not personal? Did I say anything about my personal opinions on the government in this thread? No! You chose to single me out and assume you knew what my opinions were. You made it personal. Oh my god. Grow up please. If you can’t take a bit of criticism and disagreement on a controversial topic, don’t join in and watch the teletubbies. It’s not because somebody disagrees with you or quotes your post that they are being personal. "Funny that, you accused me of being personal for the same thing
You criticised me without knowing my opinion, you assumed it. The whole thread is about different opinions, I simply asked why people should apologise for having different opinions.
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"What most of us in the medical profession are affronted by the lack of honesty and transparency, we undertook Pandemic planning in 2016, yet the then powers that be failed to respond to the highlighted shortcomings, especially the lack of adequate PPE. Why can't they just admit their failings and hold their hands up. We all understand this virus is unprecedented but we should have been better prepared given swine flu,SARS and MARS." I can’t help seeing similarities with Grenfell tower. Recommendations were made ages ago and ignored. Disaster struck and politicians managed to wriggle out of trouble. It’ll probably be the same with this. | |||
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"What most of us in the medical profession are affronted by the lack of honesty and transparency, we undertook Pandemic planning in 2016, yet the then powers that be failed to respond to the highlighted shortcomings, especially the lack of adequate PPE. Why can't they just admit their failings and hold their hands up. We all understand this virus is unprecedented but we should have been better prepared given swine flu,SARS and MARS." It's not really unprecedented though, it's just unprecedented in this country. Countries that performed well: South Korea, singapore, vietnam, UAE, taiwan - what do they have in common? It's not wealth. It's not population density. It's that they all experienced SARs or MERs. So yes it really is that simple, that our government ignored the lessons despite multiple warnings and then continued to do everything wrong once the virus was here. | |||
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" Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. To be honest, I am standing on a pedestal. I was saying the government had completely failed back in march when the popular opinion was very much in their favour. I knew Neil Ferguson was a scam artist and couldn't model for shit. Just check all his past predictions... I wasn't alone in this view, some people do fact check things. But we had to put up with all the snide remarks about fab experts from the kind of people who still think the best of best head of public sector jobs and universities.
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. " It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation | |||
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" Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. To be honest, I am standing on a pedestal. I was saying the government had completely failed back in march when the popular opinion was very much in their favour. I knew Neil Ferguson was a scam artist and couldn't model for shit. Just check all his past predictions... I wasn't alone in this view, some people do fact check things. But we had to put up with all the snide remarks about fab experts from the kind of people who still think the best of best head of public sector jobs and universities.
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It only takes one apology to change sides
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation" YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19" | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19" "In your opinion" So you are allowed an opinion but no one else can unless they agree with you?" | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19" "In your opinion" So you are allowed an opinion but no one else can unless they agree with you?" Ok I'll rephrase, show me some evidence YouGov is right wing propaganda | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19"" Well I have seen them mentioned on the forums several times and the results were good for the government. Every time someone mentioned it the excuse was they are a right wing organisition. Now the results are different all of a sudden they are great. In one thread on me poster changed his mind halfway through when new results came in | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it " Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. " You must be joking if you're still telling me the government followed scientific advice!! What was the advice - kill as many as possible and tank the economy while you're at it? If that's what following the advice gets you then can I suggest we follow the non-scientific advice Singapore, Korea, UAE, Taiwan and Vietnam were following. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. You must be joking if you're still telling me the government followed scientific advice!! What was the advice - kill as many as possible and tank the economy while you're at it? If that's what following the advice gets you then can I suggest we follow the non-scientific advice Singapore, Korea, UAE, Taiwan and Vietnam were following. " So as many as possible have died? | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. You must be joking if you're still telling me the government followed scientific advice!! What was the advice - kill as many as possible and tank the economy while you're at it? If that's what following the advice gets you then can I suggest we follow the non-scientific advice Singapore, Korea, UAE, Taiwan and Vietnam were following. So as many as possible have died? " Remember when you were saying what a great job the government were doing because Italy and Spain had more deaths than us? Well guess how that turned out | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. You must be joking if you're still telling me the government followed scientific advice!! What was the advice - kill as many as possible and tank the economy while you're at it? If that's what following the advice gets you then can I suggest we follow the non-scientific advice Singapore, Korea, UAE, Taiwan and Vietnam were following. So as many as possible have died? Remember when you were saying what a great job the government were doing because Italy and Spain had more deaths than us? Well guess how that turned out " Do you want to answer my question? | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. You must be joking if you're still telling me the government followed scientific advice!! What was the advice - kill as many as possible and tank the economy while you're at it? If that's what following the advice gets you then can I suggest we follow the non-scientific advice Singapore, Korea, UAE, Taiwan and Vietnam were following. So as many as possible have died? Remember when you were saying what a great job the government were doing because Italy and Spain had more deaths than us? Well guess how that turned out Do you want to answer my question? " Do you want to admit you were wrong? | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. You must be joking if you're still telling me the government followed scientific advice!! What was the advice - kill as many as possible and tank the economy while you're at it? If that's what following the advice gets you then can I suggest we follow the non-scientific advice Singapore, Korea, UAE, Taiwan and Vietnam were following. So as many as possible have died? Remember when you were saying what a great job the government were doing because Italy and Spain had more deaths than us? Well guess how that turned out " If you do confirm cases divided by deaths we are less then Italy. Done it the other day for my child's school work, think we were 14% and italy was 18%. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. You must be joking if you're still telling me the government followed scientific advice!! What was the advice - kill as many as possible and tank the economy while you're at it? If that's what following the advice gets you then can I suggest we follow the non-scientific advice Singapore, Korea, UAE, Taiwan and Vietnam were following. So as many as possible have died? Remember when you were saying what a great job the government were doing because Italy and Spain had more deaths than us? Well guess how that turned out Do you want to answer my question? Do you want to admit you were wrong? " Lol. Since you know so much about my posts, are you not going to acknowledge where I said there have been mistakes made but moaning about them on a swingers forum isn't holding anyone to account? Funny how you won't answer a question backing up your comments. | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree "But this wasn't an issue democratically decided. We never got a vote on it. The government just wrecked our country in the name of safety whilst they enjoyed strong public support. It's only now that people are realising the government didn't save lives or jobs. | |||
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But this wasn't an issue democratically decided. We never got a vote on it. The government just wrecked our country in the name of safety whilst they enjoyed strong public support. It's only now that people are realising the government didn't save lives or jobs."So, no jobs or lives have been saved? OK. | |||
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But this wasn't an issue democratically decided. We never got a vote on it. The government just wrecked our country in the name of safety whilst they enjoyed strong public support. It's only now that people are realising the government didn't save lives or jobs."I wasn't referring to the specifics of the Pandemic,was meant generally in terms of expressing our opinions and not being castigated for them or being vilified | |||
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But this wasn't an issue democratically decided. We never got a vote on it. The government just wrecked our country in the name of safety whilst they enjoyed strong public support. It's only now that people are realising the government didn't save lives or jobs.
I wasn't referring to the specifics of the Pandemic,was meant generally in terms of expressing our opinions and not being castigated for them or being vilified "Well actually 'we' have had about 3 months of being mocked as fab experts and sarcastically asked if we are epidemiologists. Because you know if you listen the government man on the telly then things turn out rosy... | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. You must be joking if you're still telling me the government followed scientific advice!! What was the advice - kill as many as possible and tank the economy while you're at it? If that's what following the advice gets you then can I suggest we follow the non-scientific advice Singapore, Korea, UAE, Taiwan and Vietnam were following. So as many as possible have died? Remember when you were saying what a great job the government were doing because Italy and Spain had more deaths than us? Well guess how that turned out Do you want to answer my question? Do you want to admit you were wrong? Lol. Since you know so much about my posts, are you not going to acknowledge where I said there have been mistakes made but moaning about them on a swingers forum isn't holding anyone to account? Funny how you won't answer a question backing up your comments. Lol, the Shamima Begum defence. There are mistakes and then there are mistakes. You still won't admit that lives and jobs have been saved by the governments actions. Why can't you not see that it isn't all bad? Living with such negativity can't be healthy. More lives and jobs have been lost than if the government had acted decisively and in time - and consistently." There will never be any evidence to prove this, I'm not saying they have done everything right. I'm saying that people don't have to apologise to someone for having a difference of opinion. That is what this post started out as, a couple asking for apologies and praise for having what they think is a 'more right' opinion. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it Where is the science in asking about approval rating of the government? Surveys depend on who they have asked, I done alot of surveys and soon as you fill out you voted for conservative the survey ends. I then answer the same survey and write labour and shock horror it lets me answer my opinion on how the country is doing. Regardless of who's incharge they all have one thing in common which is they would follow science advice, which was we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that is when we locked down. You must be joking if you're still telling me the government followed scientific advice!! What was the advice - kill as many as possible and tank the economy while you're at it? If that's what following the advice gets you then can I suggest we follow the non-scientific advice Singapore, Korea, UAE, Taiwan and Vietnam were following. So as many as possible have died? Remember when you were saying what a great job the government were doing because Italy and Spain had more deaths than us? Well guess how that turned out Do you want to answer my question? Do you want to admit you were wrong? Lol. Since you know so much about my posts, are you not going to acknowledge where I said there have been mistakes made but moaning about them on a swingers forum isn't holding anyone to account? Funny how you won't answer a question backing up your comments. Lol, the Shamima Begum defence. There are mistakes and then there are mistakes. You still won't admit that lives and jobs have been saved by the governments actions. Why can't you not see that it isn't all bad? Living with such negativity can't be healthy. " Compared to what? Do you actually fact check anything you say? There are a grand total of 3 countries with more deaths per 1m, 2 of those are tiny and the other counts differently to us. Our economy has been hit worse than any other developed country. What exactly is your measure of success? | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree
But this wasn't an issue democratically decided. We never got a vote on it. The government just wrecked our country in the name of safety whilst they enjoyed strong public support. It's only now that people are realising the government didn't save lives or jobs.
I wasn't referring to the specifics of the Pandemic,was meant generally in terms of expressing our opinions and not being castigated for them or being vilified
Well actually 'we' have had about 3 months of being mocked as fab experts and sarcastically asked if we are epidemiologists. Because you know if you listen the government man on the telly then things turn out rosy..."All while you've looked down on people, patronised them, mocked their opinions, made sarcastic comments to and about people, made snide comments about people and their opinions. Don't pretend to be a victim when you've been dishing it out too. | |||
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But this wasn't an issue democratically decided. We never got a vote on it. The government just wrecked our country in the name of safety whilst they enjoyed strong public support. It's only now that people are realising the government didn't save lives or jobs.
I wasn't referring to the specifics of the Pandemic,was meant generally in terms of expressing our opinions and not being castigated for them or being vilified
Well actually 'we' have had about 3 months of being mocked as fab experts and sarcastically asked if we are epidemiologists. Because you know if you listen the government man on the telly then things turn out rosy...
All while you've looked down on people, patronised them, mocked their opinions, made sarcastic comments to and about people, made snide comments about people and their opinions. Don't pretend to be a victim when you've been dishing it out too. "You've actually just proved _exy7 right whilst spending half the thread disagreeing with him | |||
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"People need to remember this in 4.5 years time and before they let the government sell the NHS off, pull some other chicanery, or indeed both, to pay off the £300bn borrowing, which admittedly, they haven't yet spent." Completely agree. I wouldn’t trust this lot with anything, but the UK populace is proving incredibly gullible. | |||
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"Well, when the inquiry comes, the burden of proof must be on those in charge, given that 40k and rising is double their ‘good’ 20k, not to mention the excess deaths figure and deaths per million. I didn't need an inquiry in march to see things were on the wrong path. Anyone who still needs an inquiry to tell then the government f'ed this up is the problem I'm talking about. " Agreed. Criminal proceedings would be more appropriate. | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree
But this wasn't an issue democratically decided. We never got a vote on it. The government just wrecked our country in the name of safety whilst they enjoyed strong public support. It's only now that people are realising the government didn't save lives or jobs.
I wasn't referring to the specifics of the Pandemic,was meant generally in terms of expressing our opinions and not being castigated for them or being vilified
Well actually 'we' have had about 3 months of being mocked as fab experts and sarcastically asked if we are epidemiologists. Because you know if you listen the government man on the telly then things turn out rosy...
All while you've looked down on people, patronised them, mocked their opinions, made sarcastic comments to and about people, made snide comments about people and their opinions. Don't pretend to be a victim when you've been dishing it out too.
You've actually just proved _exy7 right whilst spending half the thread disagreeing with him "Half the thread? I think I had 3 or 4 interactions with him. There was absolutely no need for you to make this thread, the fact you even made it shows how unwilling you are to accept a difference of opinion. Enjoy your pedestal, don't get lonely up there! | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree
But this wasn't an issue democratically decided. We never got a vote on it. The government just wrecked our country in the name of safety whilst they enjoyed strong public support. It's only now that people are realising the government didn't save lives or jobs.
I wasn't referring to the specifics of the Pandemic,was meant generally in terms of expressing our opinions and not being castigated for them or being vilified
Well actually 'we' have had about 3 months of being mocked as fab experts and sarcastically asked if we are epidemiologists. Because you know if you listen the government man on the telly then things turn out rosy..."This is exactly what I am referring to and why I rarely post on the forums, some of us are actually fighting this on the Frontline and don't think of ourselves as experts because they are very far and few, just the mentality of some folk and you have to shrug it off, really not worth the time, effort or hassle with those people | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree
But this wasn't an issue democratically decided. We never got a vote on it. The government just wrecked our country in the name of safety whilst they enjoyed strong public support. It's only now that people are realising the government didn't save lives or jobs.
I wasn't referring to the specifics of the Pandemic,was meant generally in terms of expressing our opinions and not being castigated for them or being vilified
Well actually 'we' have had about 3 months of being mocked as fab experts and sarcastically asked if we are epidemiologists. Because you know if you listen the government man on the telly then things turn out rosy...
All while you've looked down on people, patronised them, mocked their opinions, made sarcastic comments to and about people, made snide comments about people and their opinions. Don't pretend to be a victim when you've been dishing it out too.
You've actually just proved _exy7 right whilst spending half the thread disagreeing with him
Half the thread? I think I had 3 or 4 interactions with him.
There was absolutely no need for you to make this thread, the fact you even made it shows how unwilling you are to accept a difference of opinion. Enjoy your pedestal, don't get lonely up there! "You seem satisfied as long as there is 1 country in the world doing worse than us. | |||
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"People need to remember this in 4.5 years time and before they let the government sell the NHS off, pull some other chicanery, or indeed both, to pay off the £300bn borrowing, which admittedly, they haven't yet spent. Agree entirely,that is their agenda and has been for many years, the NHS is an amazing institution and most of us who work within it are very proud of how we have stepped up during all of this,worried about who we are missing seeing, contacting our shielding patients, dealing with the worried well and those who just miss the interaction of our past normal, we are all still here for everyone, it is why we do what we do "The government has made choices which have killed over 100 NHS staff, the NHS was only ever a tool for them to come out with the admittedly good slogan "stay home, protect the NHS". If the government gave a shit about those people then it would have stock piled a whole bunch of things since 2016. It's funny how they can only print money once there's a crisis and they can't find a billion or two for stockpiles before then. | |||
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"People need to remember this in 4.5 years time and before they let the government sell the NHS off, pull some other chicanery, or indeed both, to pay off the £300bn borrowing, which admittedly, they haven't yet spent. Agree entirely,that is their agenda and has been for many years, the NHS is an amazing institution and most of us who work within it are very proud of how we have stepped up during all of this,worried about who we are missing seeing, contacting our shielding patients, dealing with the worried well and those who just miss the interaction of our past normal, we are all still here for everyone, it is why we do what we do
The government has made choices which have killed over 100 NHS staff, the NHS was only ever a tool for them to come out with the admittedly good slogan "stay home, protect the NHS". If the government gave a shit about those people then it would have stock piled a whole bunch of things since 2016. It's funny how they can only print money once there's a crisis and they can't find a billion or two for stockpiles before then. "But its okay, stay alert ffs,just stay alert!! | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. What exactly do you want an apology for? Someone having a different opinion to you? When your opinion is contrary to science and economics, yes you should apologise for it To you personally? You also expect praise because you were 'ahead of the curve'? All you really did was say you think the government was crap, you didn't do anything amazing. If people think the government is doing a good job, that's up to them, why should they apologise to you? Even when deeply stuck in the shit, some people are still happy and think that everything’s good. It’s all about expectations. In my job, I have high expectations of myself and my colleagues. So I have high expectations of the people who are elected to look after us. I don’t expect crap especially from people who tell us we’re the best in the world at everything. However if you’re pleased with shitty results and if you have low expectations, I’m not surprised you’re pleased. My response was not to you. I know but what I write seems to apply to you I’m afraid. If you expect crap, you’re pleased with crap. That’s the problem. Personally I expect a so called world beating country that keeps boasting about everything and think it’s better at everything not to have such disastrous results. You have no idea what my opinions are on this matter. I just think making a post asking people to apologise for having a certain opinion is egotistical and unnecessary. I also think the nose up in the air and the 'I'm better than you' snobbery in this thread is very telling. You all carry on standing on your pedestals, that's fine, but don't expect me to be sitting at your feet. Nobody is standing on a pedestal and I’m not having a go at you personally but I can only conclude that if you’re happy with the sway this crisis has been managed by these clowns, you clearly don’t need much to be pleased. well I’m not. No need to make it more personal than necessary. Really? You quoted me twice and told me your comments applied to me, how was that not personal? Did I say anything about my personal opinions on the government in this thread? No! You chose to single me out and assume you knew what my opinions were. You made it personal. Oh my god. Grow up please. If you can’t take a bit of criticism and disagreement on a controversial topic, don’t join in and watch the teletubbies. It’s not because somebody disagrees with you or quotes your post that they are being personal.
Funny that, you accused me of being personal for the same thing
You criticised me without knowing my opinion, you assumed it. The whole thread is about different opinions, I simply asked why people should apologise for having different opinions.
You TOLD me that your post applied to me, saying I have low expectations and that I'm pleased with crap. How is that not personal? I suggest you read back through the thread and actually take notice of what was said before throwing around insults."Insults? Seriously are you for real or do you live in cotton? I’ll repeat what I said earlier on: anybody who’s pleased with the way this gvt has handled this is either a Tory to the core who would defend them even if their mum died because of their incompetence if they are people who are pleased with very little. I’m not sure what category you’re in, probably both. Now, if you make controversial statements, accept at least that you’ll have to take some replies from other people. If you can’t take on the chin, don’t bother.
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The government has made choices which have killed over 100 NHS staff, the NHS was only ever a tool for them to come out with the admittedly good slogan "stay home, protect the NHS". If the government gave a shit about those people then it would have stock piled a whole bunch of things since 2016. It's funny how they can only print money once there's a crisis and they can't find a billion or two for stockpiles before then. "Stockpiled stuff goes out if date and gets chucked away ... | |||
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"People need to remember this in 4.5 years time and before they let the government sell the NHS off, pull some other chicanery, or indeed both, to pay off the £300bn borrowing, which admittedly, they haven't yet spent. Agree entirely,that is their agenda and has been for many years, the NHS is an amazing institution and most of us who work within it are very proud of how we have stepped up during all of this,worried about who we are missing seeing, contacting our shielding patients, dealing with the worried well and those who just miss the interaction of our past normal, we are all still here for everyone, it is why we do what we do
The government has made choices which have killed over 100 NHS staff, the NHS was only ever a tool for them to come out with the admittedly good slogan "stay home, protect the NHS". If the government gave a shit about those people then it would have stock piled a whole bunch of things since 2016. It's funny how they can only print money once there's a crisis and they can't find a billion or two for stockpiles before then.
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. " I think to start with there was a feeling that any government would struggle and being negative about the government wasn’t helpful. It has got to the point, particularly post Dominic Cummings fiasco that any good will evaporated. So, knowing now about Cheltenham Races and operation Cygnus and lack of PPE and and and, yes I do need to recant for saying they did a good enough job with limited information, particularly when other governments have done better with the same limited information. So sorry OP. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. I think to start with there was a feeling that any government would struggle and being negative about the government wasn’t helpful. It has got to the point, particularly post Dominic Cummings fiasco that any good will evaporated. So, knowing now about Cheltenham Races and operation Cygnus and lack of PPE and and and, yes I do need to recant for saying they did a good enough job with limited information, particularly when other governments have done better with the same limited information. So sorry OP. " Your sin is forgiven my child, you took a big step today and are on the path to enlightenment | |||
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the thread didnt just “end up like this ” ... it was specifically posted with that in mind
talk of approval ratings, didn’t think the OPs could go down any from the condescending way they are on other threads ... waiting on the yougov survey results but i think i was wrong ... admitting that gets me a pedestal right? "I'm not sure if that was a confession at the end, but you weren't really on my list for the inquisition. Seem to remember you being quite level headed about the whole thing actually. Not enough evidence for a trial, next. | |||
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the thread didnt just “end up like this ” ... it was specifically posted with that in mind
talk of approval ratings, didn’t think the OPs could go down any from the condescending way they are on other threads ... waiting on the yougov survey results but i think i was wrong ... admitting that gets me a pedestal right?
I'm not sure if that was a confession at the end, but you weren't really on my list for the inquisition. Seem to remember you being quite level headed about the whole thing actually. Not enough evidence for a trial, next. "1. i think i actually might be mixing your profile up with another so apologies for that! 2. i probably have been quite level headed but thats because i can see there are a range of ways things can be looked at ... you cant really criticise people for forming an opinion based on the information they had at the time and then refining that opinion as more information becomes available ... not only does that not merit criticism it really doesn't make you any better than anyone that you had the one opinion from start to finish 3. if you think you knew the answers way before the government and the rest of the public , it sounds like you should be putting your money where your mouth is and standing for election next time ... its easy to be an armchair pundit ... like you said when you cock up its nothing more serious than a ratio of juice | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree
the thread didnt just “end up like this ” ... it was specifically posted with that in mind
talk of approval ratings, didn’t think the OPs could go down any from the condescending way they are on other threads ... waiting on the yougov survey results but i think i was wrong ... admitting that gets me a pedestal right?
I'm not sure if that was a confession at the end, but you weren't really on my list for the inquisition. Seem to remember you being quite level headed about the whole thing actually. Not enough evidence for a trial, next.
1. i think i actually might be mixing your profile up with another so apologies for that!
2. i probably have been quite level headed but thats because i can see there are a range of ways things can be looked at ... you cant really criticise people for forming an opinion based on the information they had at the time and then refining that opinion as more information becomes available ... not only does that not merit criticism it really doesn't make you any better than anyone that you had the one opinion from start to finish
3. if you think you knew the answers way before the government and the rest of the public , it sounds like you should be putting your money where your mouth is and standing for election next time ... its easy to be an armchair pundit ... like you said when you cock up its nothing more serious than a ratio of juice
"I'm not an armchair pundit, I'm actually a professional pundit and a damn good one at that. You know when I first smelt a rat was when this "530,000 people are going to die" figure came out in mid-March. So I did something that seems to have taken other people months to do, and I checked the track record of the person making that claim. I found that every single estimate of every pandemic he's ever tried to model has been wildly wrong. So that's why I refused to "listen to the experts" because it was quite obvious the government was cherry picking stooges. It's not that I expect everyone to read the paper, it's that when someone makes a like or death claim then i think common sense is to ask what their track record is. By January, anyone sensible had already written off the WHO who have done nothing but continued to humiliate themselves since. It's quite cringeworthy to see conspiracy theorists saying they are in the pocket of China. Chinese people laugh when you tell them the WHO recommended against face masks and changed their guidance in june. Actually most asians laugh / cringe at that. It's not that I'm a good epidemiologist, it's just blindly obvious which countries have handled the pandemic well, which haven't and what the difference is. | |||
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"I was pretty shocked to come on here 2 months ago and hear people saying the government was doing a good job of handling covid19. Now that the % of people "who think the government is handling the issue of coronavirus 'very' or 'somewhat' well" is down to 39% (March 27th: 72%), then I just wanted to say that I'll be accepting apologies or praise for being ahead of the curve. It takes a big person to admit you were wrong so don't be shy, not here to rub it in. PS: 39% is worse than Trump and he never went above 53%. I, for one, and not ashamed to admit that I doubted your opinion in our previous chat. I apologise for the unnecessary vulgar language that I used, and also for being so nonchalant in my dismissal of your thoughts. It is quite clear that you pretty much hit the nail on the head early on. Once again - sorry for being so rude to you in the past. From here on I will think twice before hitting the "post message" key." It brings me great joy to see that 2 have now come forward and seen the light. Let your light shine bright so that it illuminates the dark. Especially the dark west of Birmingham, south of Wolverhampton. Go in peace my child. | |||
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I think Hancock will be the scapegoat. Everyone else seems to be lumping responsibility on his doorstep while keeping a low profile."I think so. He’s not strong or smart enough to play game of thrones , Cummings will have all ready reassured everyone that Hancock falls before they do | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree
the thread didnt just “end up like this ” ... it was specifically posted with that in mind
talk of approval ratings, didn’t think the OPs could go down any from the condescending way they are on other threads ... waiting on the yougov survey results but i think i was wrong ... admitting that gets me a pedestal right?
I'm not sure if that was a confession at the end, but you weren't really on my list for the inquisition. Seem to remember you being quite level headed about the whole thing actually. Not enough evidence for a trial, next.
1. i think i actually might be mixing your profile up with another so apologies for that!
2. i probably have been quite level headed but thats because i can see there are a range of ways things can be looked at ... you cant really criticise people for forming an opinion based on the information they had at the time and then refining that opinion as more information becomes available ... not only does that not merit criticism it really doesn't make you any better than anyone that you had the one opinion from start to finish
3. if you think you knew the answers way before the government and the rest of the public , it sounds like you should be putting your money where your mouth is and standing for election next time ... its easy to be an armchair pundit ... like you said when you cock up its nothing more serious than a ratio of juice
I'm not an armchair pundit, I'm actually a professional pundit and a damn good one at that. You know when I first smelt a rat was when this "530,000 people are going to die" figure came out in mid-March. So I did something that seems to have taken other people months to do, and I checked the track record of the person making that claim. I found that every single estimate of every pandemic he's ever tried to model has been wildly wrong. So that's why I refused to "listen to the experts" because it was quite obvious the government was cherry picking stooges. It's not that I expect everyone to read the paper, it's that when someone makes a like or death claim then i think common sense is to ask what their track record is.
By January, anyone sensible had already written off the WHO who have done nothing but continued to humiliate themselves since. It's quite cringeworthy to see conspiracy theorists saying they are in the pocket of China. Chinese people laugh when you tell them the WHO recommended against face masks and changed their guidance in june. Actually most asians laugh / cringe at that.
It's not that I'm a good epidemiologist, it's just blindly obvious which countries have handled the pandemic well, which haven't and what the difference is. "Well, I personally think fab should be grateful that we clearly have an expert who proclaims they are better that not just the entire government, but the world health organisation and has sufficient contacts within the Chinese government to know what they feel about the UK. Is that sufficient to massage that massive ego that led you to start this post? Or should we all get on our knees and chant we're not worthy as well? | |||
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"The British are famous for criticism of people in authority especially after the fact or in hindsight. Couple that with never being good at taking orders or following advice its hard to see how any UK government could have great approval ratings for what they've done. As to their actions re the pandemic its hard to see how anyone could of got it all right with the scant information regarding covid 19. Reporting has also always been blown up by media...take air pollution as an example we are supposed to have some of the most polluted cities in normal times in Europe, yet we never see the really bad European figures published to compare with how come ? Yet Paris banned some cars because the air was so bad it was dangerously toxic ? Many of the so called covid 19 deaths reported should read died with symptoms of covid 19. Was covid 19 the cause of death or just one of a number of factors in the death. Yet the UK by its reporting regime is seen as the highest death toll from covid 19 in Europe. When France now knows covid 19 infections where present from late December 2019 how many died with covid 19 before they started reporting covid deaths ? Some countries resorted to mass chemical spraying of streets and even people ? What will be the long term effects of such actions (Korea India China where some of these) overall we think the UK government has done a fairly credible job in hindsight could it of done better probably..but we have what we have...stop baying for someone to blame or to boost your ego by receiving an apology from People who thought the government was doing well and said as much at the time..wont happen..as you've probably gathered by previous comments from your post." yep for some reason in the modern world somebody has to be blamed, and god don’t we just love a public inquiry!!! If only people were told how much these inquiries cost, we might not be quite as enthusiastic towards them. | |||
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"People need to remember this in 4.5 years time and before they let the government sell the NHS off, pull some other chicanery, or indeed both, to pay off the £300bn borrowing, which admittedly, they haven't yet spent. Agree entirely,that is their agenda and has been for many years, the NHS is an amazing institution and most of us who work within it are very proud of how we have stepped up during all of this,worried about who we are missing seeing, contacting our shielding patients, dealing with the worried well and those who just miss the interaction of our past normal, we are all still here for everyone, it is why we do what we do
The government has made choices which have killed over 100 NHS staff, the NHS was only ever a tool for them to come out with the admittedly good slogan "stay home, protect the NHS". If the government gave a shit about those people then it would have stock piled a whole bunch of things since 2016. It's funny how they can only print money once there's a crisis and they can't find a billion or two for stockpiles before then.
Stockpiled stuff goes out if date and gets chucked away ...
So what? Would you rather build a fire engine and never use it, or wait until there's a fire and then start building a fire engine? "There's no point building a fire engine that won't work when you have a fire because it's gone rusty If the government had spent a billion buying ppe in 2016 and another 500 million a year replacing the stuff going out of date and god knows how much to dispose of the out of date stock the media would have went ape shit Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have but fk all use for the future. The big issue is the UK dont manufacture anything so God knows what we are hoping to export using Boris trade deals | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19"" I remember someone on here so they had been asked to partake and felt it was quite conservative leaning. | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree
the thread didnt just “end up like this ” ... it was specifically posted with that in mind
talk of approval ratings, didn’t think the OPs could go down any from the condescending way they are on other threads ... waiting on the yougov survey results but i think i was wrong ... admitting that gets me a pedestal right?
I'm not sure if that was a confession at the end, but you weren't really on my list for the inquisition. Seem to remember you being quite level headed about the whole thing actually. Not enough evidence for a trial, next.
1. i think i actually might be mixing your profile up with another so apologies for that!
2. i probably have been quite level headed but thats because i can see there are a range of ways things can be looked at ... you cant really criticise people for forming an opinion based on the information they had at the time and then refining that opinion as more information becomes available ... not only does that not merit criticism it really doesn't make you any better than anyone that you had the one opinion from start to finish
3. if you think you knew the answers way before the government and the rest of the public , it sounds like you should be putting your money where your mouth is and standing for election next time ... its easy to be an armchair pundit ... like you said when you cock up its nothing more serious than a ratio of juice
I'm not an armchair pundit, I'm actually a professional pundit and a damn good one at that. You know when I first smelt a rat was when this "530,000 people are going to die" figure came out in mid-March. So I did something that seems to have taken other people months to do, and I checked the track record of the person making that claim. I found that every single estimate of every pandemic he's ever tried to model has been wildly wrong. So that's why I refused to "listen to the experts" because it was quite obvious the government was cherry picking stooges. It's not that I expect everyone to read the paper, it's that when someone makes a like or death claim then i think common sense is to ask what their track record is.
By January, anyone sensible had already written off the WHO who have done nothing but continued to humiliate themselves since. It's quite cringeworthy to see conspiracy theorists saying they are in the pocket of China. Chinese people laugh when you tell them the WHO recommended against face masks and changed their guidance in june. Actually most asians laugh / cringe at that.
It's not that I'm a good epidemiologist, it's just blindly obvious which countries have handled the pandemic well, which haven't and what the difference is.
Well, I personally think fab should be grateful that we clearly have an expert who proclaims they are better that not just the entire government, but the world health organisation and has sufficient contacts within the Chinese government to know what they feel about the UK. Is that sufficient to massage that massive ego that led you to start this post? Or should we all get on our knees and chant we're not worthy as well?"A shining example of why this post was necessary. People still defending the government whilst the barbarians are at the gate. | |||
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"People need to remember this in 4.5 years time and before they let the government sell the NHS off, pull some other chicanery, or indeed both, to pay off the £300bn borrowing, which admittedly, they haven't yet spent. Agree entirely,that is their agenda and has been for many years, the NHS is an amazing institution and most of us who work within it are very proud of how we have stepped up during all of this,worried about who we are missing seeing, contacting our shielding patients, dealing with the worried well and those who just miss the interaction of our past normal, we are all still here for everyone, it is why we do what we do
The government has made choices which have killed over 100 NHS staff, the NHS was only ever a tool for them to come out with the admittedly good slogan "stay home, protect the NHS". If the government gave a shit about those people then it would have stock piled a whole bunch of things since 2016. It's funny how they can only print money once there's a crisis and they can't find a billion or two for stockpiles before then.
Stockpiled stuff goes out if date and gets chucked away ...
So what? Would you rather build a fire engine and never use it, or wait until there's a fire and then start building a fire engine?
There's no point building a fire engine that won't work when you have a fire because it's gone rusty
If the government had spent a billion buying ppe in 2016 and another 500 million a year replacing the stuff going out of date and god knows how much to dispose of the out of date stock the media would have went ape shit
Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have but fk all use for the future.
The big issue is the UK dont manufacture anything so God knows what we are hoping to export using Boris trade deals"The whole point of the thread is that it wasn't hindsight we were using. We call it whilst everyone was singing their praises. Which scarily a few die hards still are. | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19" I remember someone on here so they had been asked to partake and felt it was quite conservative leaning." So the right wing group says government approval of the covid19 handling is down from 73% to 39%. What figure would an unbiased poll put it at then? | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree
the thread didnt just “end up like this ” ... it was specifically posted with that in mind
talk of approval ratings, didn’t think the OPs could go down any from the condescending way they are on other threads ... waiting on the yougov survey results but i think i was wrong ... admitting that gets me a pedestal right?
I'm not sure if that was a confession at the end, but you weren't really on my list for the inquisition. Seem to remember you being quite level headed about the whole thing actually. Not enough evidence for a trial, next.
1. i think i actually might be mixing your profile up with another so apologies for that!
2. i probably have been quite level headed but thats because i can see there are a range of ways things can be looked at ... you cant really criticise people for forming an opinion based on the information they had at the time and then refining that opinion as more information becomes available ... not only does that not merit criticism it really doesn't make you any better than anyone that you had the one opinion from start to finish
3. if you think you knew the answers way before the government and the rest of the public , it sounds like you should be putting your money where your mouth is and standing for election next time ... its easy to be an armchair pundit ... like you said when you cock up its nothing more serious than a ratio of juice
I'm not an armchair pundit, I'm actually a professional pundit and a damn good one at that. You know when I first smelt a rat was when this "530,000 people are going to die" figure came out in mid-March. So I did something that seems to have taken other people months to do, and I checked the track record of the person making that claim. I found that every single estimate of every pandemic he's ever tried to model has been wildly wrong. So that's why I refused to "listen to the experts" because it was quite obvious the government was cherry picking stooges. It's not that I expect everyone to read the paper, it's that when someone makes a like or death claim then i think common sense is to ask what their track record is.
By January, anyone sensible had already written off the WHO who have done nothing but continued to humiliate themselves since. It's quite cringeworthy to see conspiracy theorists saying they are in the pocket of China. Chinese people laugh when you tell them the WHO recommended against face masks and changed their guidance in june. Actually most asians laugh / cringe at that.
It's not that I'm a good epidemiologist, it's just blindly obvious which countries have handled the pandemic well, which haven't and what the difference is.
Well, I personally think fab should be grateful that we clearly have an expert who proclaims they are better that not just the entire government, but the world health organisation and has sufficient contacts within the Chinese government to know what they feel about the UK. Is that sufficient to massage that massive ego that led you to start this post? Or should we all get on our knees and chant we're not worthy as well?
A shining example of why this post was necessary. People still defending the government whilst the barbarians are at the gate. "No it's not an example of why this post was necessary, I haven't defended the government here, I've simply highlighted your incredible arrogance of making a post expecting people to come to you on bended knee to beg for your clemency. Narcissism at its finest. | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19" I remember someone on here so they had been asked to partake and felt it was quite conservative leaning. So the right wing group says government approval of the covid19 handling is down from 73% to 39%. What figure would an unbiased poll put it at then? " God knows. I'd be more worried about the nearly 40% who think the whole clusterfuck has been handled well. | |||
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"Isn't the point of living in a democracy that we may all express our differing opinions? I really don't like the divisive and personal way these threads end up. We are all coming from different backgrounds and perspectives, none of us have ever lived through this before, just be kind, no one knows the reasoning behind strangers thinking and everyone deserves to be able to express themselves and have their opinion respected, even when you don't necessarily agree
the thread didnt just “end up like this ” ... it was specifically posted with that in mind
talk of approval ratings, didn’t think the OPs could go down any from the condescending way they are on other threads ... waiting on the yougov survey results but i think i was wrong ... admitting that gets me a pedestal right?
I'm not sure if that was a confession at the end, but you weren't really on my list for the inquisition. Seem to remember you being quite level headed about the whole thing actually. Not enough evidence for a trial, next.
1. i think i actually might be mixing your profile up with another so apologies for that!
2. i probably have been quite level headed but thats because i can see there are a range of ways things can be looked at ... you cant really criticise people for forming an opinion based on the information they had at the time and then refining that opinion as more information becomes available ... not only does that not merit criticism it really doesn't make you any better than anyone that you had the one opinion from start to finish
3. if you think you knew the answers way before the government and the rest of the public , it sounds like you should be putting your money where your mouth is and standing for election next time ... its easy to be an armchair pundit ... like you said when you cock up its nothing more serious than a ratio of juice
I'm not an armchair pundit, I'm actually a professional pundit and a damn good one at that. You know when I first smelt a rat was when this "530,000 people are going to die" figure came out in mid-March. So I did something that seems to have taken other people months to do, and I checked the track record of the person making that claim. I found that every single estimate of every pandemic he's ever tried to model has been wildly wrong. So that's why I refused to "listen to the experts" because it was quite obvious the government was cherry picking stooges. It's not that I expect everyone to read the paper, it's that when someone makes a like or death claim then i think common sense is to ask what their track record is.
By January, anyone sensible had already written off the WHO who have done nothing but continued to humiliate themselves since. It's quite cringeworthy to see conspiracy theorists saying they are in the pocket of China. Chinese people laugh when you tell them the WHO recommended against face masks and changed their guidance in june. Actually most asians laugh / cringe at that.
It's not that I'm a good epidemiologist, it's just blindly obvious which countries have handled the pandemic well, which haven't and what the difference is.
Well, I personally think fab should be grateful that we clearly have an expert who proclaims they are better that not just the entire government, but the world health organisation and has sufficient contacts within the Chinese government to know what they feel about the UK. Is that sufficient to massage that massive ego that led you to start this post? Or should we all get on our knees and chant we're not worthy as well?
A shining example of why this post was necessary. People still defending the government whilst the barbarians are at the gate.
No it's not an example of why this post was necessary, I haven't defended the government here, I've simply highlighted your incredible arrogance of making a post expecting people to come to you on bended knee to beg for your clemency. Narcissism at its finest."What successes have the entire government and WHO had, that compare well against any mediocre country selected at random? Show me some data or facts that I'm supposed to be impressed with rather than your circular logic that the government is credible because it's the government. Let's talk about the track record of the government. | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19" I remember someone on here so they had been asked to partake and felt it was quite conservative leaning. So the right wing group says government approval of the covid19 handling is down from 73% to 39%. What figure would an unbiased poll put it at then? God knows. I'd be more worried about the nearly 40% who think the whole clusterfuck has been handled well." They are out in force towards the end of this thread. What's a word that describes people who cream over authority figures and support them regardless of their actual job performance? | |||
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"a bunch of fucking clowns who did not have a clue on how to deal with this." Worse - they didn’t actually care about dealing with it apart from keeping their PR machine going for the sheep. | |||
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"What most of us in the medical profession are affronted by the lack of honesty and transparency, we undertook Pandemic planning in 2016, yet the then powers that be failed to respond to the highlighted shortcomings, especially the lack of adequate PPE. Why can't they just admit their failings and hold their hands up. We all understand this virus is unprecedented but we should have been better prepared given swine flu,SARS and MARS." also what the government kept out the news was that it privatised the NHS surply chain in 2019. Whys that relivent. You need to go back to 9/11 2001, after that the NHS stockpile surply system for 2 reasons 1st a long overdue expected pandemic and 2nd in the event of a biological terror attack. During the last decade 2010-2020 the government reduced the stockpile to save money. In 2016, Proff Sally Davies (Chris witty does this now) took part in the practice run on pandemic planning, reporting that the UK was woeful underprepared. The government went we don't have time for that we have brexit to deal with. Sally davis said to her staff afterwards (in 2016)that the governments plan is to prepare with human life's. Come Feb, the tiny amount of stock piled PPE left was given to China as it would help with trade deals. NHS surplies chain has provided lower quality products since privatisation. The government has done a dreadful job from start to end. Between 2003 and 2010, we where seen has world leaders in pandemic preperation. The world is looking at us and saying what the hell has happened in the UK, since before the fake lockdown. And don't fef me started on the nightingale hospitals, we never had the staff to use then, a total properganda red herring. The failure to respond to the pandemic started with A lansley re organisation on the NHS, we moved from four regional Statigic Health Authoritys to 265 clinical commissioning groups. (don't see how that reduces burocracy. The last decade of a government being led by ego, and too much focus on brexit is why we are a mess, and it will get worse before it gets better. The NHS and PHE had been calling for lockdown in Feb at cobra meeting. Those meeting the PM us meant to chair, however he missed 6 meetings and when he did attend he then called farce if a lockdown, and rotated no at briefings to avoid awkward questions. But has the news get better, you will see home do the propaganda briefing more, and to think I came o. Fab to get away from this. | |||
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"What most of us in the medical profession are affronted by the lack of honesty and transparency, we undertook Pandemic planning in 2016, yet the then powers that be failed to respond to the highlighted shortcomings, especially the lack of adequate PPE. Why can't they just admit their failings and hold their hands up. We all understand this virus is unprecedented but we should have been better prepared given swine flu,SARS and MARS. also what the government kept out the news was that it privatised the NHS surply chain in 2019. Whys that relivent. You need to go back to 9/11 2001, after that the NHS stockpile surply system for 2 reasons 1st a long overdue expected pandemic and 2nd in the event of a biological terror attack. During the last decade 2010-2020 the government reduced the stockpile to save money. In 2016, Proff Sally Davies (Chris witty does this now) took part in the practice run on pandemic planning, reporting that the UK was woeful underprepared. The government went we don't have time for that we have brexit to deal with. Sally davis said to her staff afterwards (in 2016)that the governments plan is to prepare with human life's. Come Feb, the tiny amount of stock piled PPE left was given to China as it would help with trade deals. NHS surplies chain has provided lower quality products since privatisation. The government has done a dreadful job from start to end. Between 2003 and 2010, we where seen has world leaders in pandemic preperation. The world is looking at us and saying what the hell has happened in the UK, since before the fake lockdown. And don't fef me started on the nightingale hospitals, we never had the staff to use then, a total properganda red herring. The failure to respond to the pandemic started with A lansley re organisation on the NHS, we moved from four regional Statigic Health Authoritys to 265 clinical commissioning groups. (don't see how that reduces burocracy. The last decade of a government being led by ego, and too much focus on brexit is why we are a mess, and it will get worse before it gets better. The NHS and PHE had been calling for lockdown in Feb at cobra meeting. Those meeting the PM us meant to chair, however he missed 6 meetings and when he did attend he then called farce if a lockdown, and rotated no at briefings to avoid awkward questions. But has the news get better, you will see home do the propaganda briefing more, and to think I came o. Fab to get away from this. " Quite a damming post | |||
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" No it's not an example of why this post was necessary, I haven't defended the government here, I've simply highlighted your incredible arrogance of making a post expecting people to come to you on bended knee to beg for your clemency. Narcissism at its finest." You're being wound up deliberately, don't bite so hard on the fishing line! (though it is a bit funny) | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19" I remember someone on here so they had been asked to partake and felt it was quite conservative leaning. So the right wing group says government approval of the covid19 handling is down from 73% to 39%. What figure would an unbiased poll put it at then? God knows. I'd be more worried about the nearly 40% who think the whole clusterfuck has been handled well. They are out in force towards the end of this thread. What's a word that describes people who cream over authority figures and support them regardless of their actual job performance? " Think the words you are looking for is Tory cunts AKA the Nasty party. Starve the poor save the rich | |||
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"At the moment news come and go very quickly. Can I remind the Bojo cult followers that he couldn’t even be bothered attending the Cobra meetings about this virus. The guy is a lazy clown. " But our PM found time to pen an article for 'The Telegraph' amongst all this. | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19" I remember someone on here so they had been asked to partake and felt it was quite conservative leaning. So the right wing group says government approval of the covid19 handling is down from 73% to 39%. What figure would an unbiased poll put it at then? God knows. I'd be more worried about the nearly 40% who think the whole clusterfuck has been handled well. They are out in force towards the end of this thread. What's a word that describes people who cream over authority figures and support them regardless of their actual job performance? What's a word for people who are gloating they were right all along, when over 40000 have sadly lost their lives? "Sadly some people can't help themselves and forget about little things like 40000 that passed. Sad times, and sad people. | |||
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"Can't believe all this self righteous bullshit that the original poster has put up !! It's a bloody pandemic & no government was ever going to get it right. Even if they did get it right, there's always going to be some idiots who are going to find something to whine about. Just grateful that labour didn't win the Last election !! Can you imagine what their last loony leader would have done !! Shit his pants probably. Lord Johnson, you're doing a cracking job "Get lost most posters on here could have done a better job. Well probably not the posters who think they have done a good job | |||
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"Can't believe all this self righteous bullshit that the original poster has put up !! It's a bloody pandemic & no government was ever going to get it right. Even if they did get it right, there's always going to be some idiots who are going to find something to whine about. Just grateful that labour didn't win the Last election !! Can you imagine what their last loony leader would have done !! Shit his pants probably. Lord Johnson, you're doing a cracking job "Cant argue with that type of "logic" | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations. Not really. YouGov have sampled 27 countries and most of them are not damned. Taiwan 93% approval, Australia 86%, Vietnam 96%, Singapore 78%. Time to realise that our government really was that shit. It's getting quite muddle on these forums regarding you gov polls. I have seen several references to these polls supporting policies and events but they always get dismissed as right wing propaganda and run by Tories. Is this a different you gov organisation YouGov is pretty solid in my opinion, it would be a bit odd for right wing propaganda to be saying how bad the government are doing. Just Google "YouGov covid19" I remember someone on here so they had been asked to partake and felt it was quite conservative leaning. So the right wing group says government approval of the covid19 handling is down from 73% to 39%. What figure would an unbiased poll put it at then? God knows. I'd be more worried about the nearly 40% who think the whole clusterfuck has been handled well. They are out in force towards the end of this thread. What's a word that describes people who cream over authority figures and support them regardless of their actual job performance? " Is anyone else as los as I'm trying to follow this thread? I don't know whether I agree or disagree with your comments because they are all over the place. You seem to have a problem with authority and people telling you what to do or at least really big issues with the government that have nothing to do with covid And what I was though was a genuine joke is actual narcissism. You need people of swinging site to agree with your opinions to sooth your ego....wow Its a brand new virus, nobody knew what was going to happen. That doesn't get the government of the hook and doesn't mean they haven't fucked up. I made moves in the stock market of this. I got alot right, I got some wrong. What would you rather the government do.. "Hang on citizens of the UK.. we just want to consult are plans with a couple on swingers site then we are all set" And as for the virus being (overblown) ask china why Beijing has closed down block all over the city. Beijing got away with virus very lightly when the outbreak started in wuhan. China got a feedback loop just like I I predicted it would.... You can also send your praise and apologies to me. Or what about new Zealand having new cases from UK citizens. Get of your soap box | |||
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" Stockpiled stuff goes out if date and gets chucked away ... So what? Would you rather build a fire engine and never use it, or wait until there's a fire and then start building a fire engine? There's no point building a fire engine that won't work when you have a fire because it's gone rusty If the government had spent a billion buying ppe in 2016 and another 500 million a year replacing the stuff going out of date and god knows how much to dispose of the out of date stock the media would have went ape shit Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have but fk all use for the future. The big issue is the UK dont manufacture anything so God knows what we are hoping to export using Boris trade deals" sorry this is a tangent to the thread but ppe is used daily in hospitals just not at the current rate, so couldnt we stockpile then rotate FIFO with ongoing standard orders like supermarkets too that way we have a build up stock but it gets used before it goes out of date, with the stock continually topped up... no waste of money, loads on hand for emergency , win win | |||
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" Stockpiled stuff goes out if date and gets chucked away ... So what? Would you rather build a fire engine and never use it, or wait until there's a fire and then start building a fire engine? There's no point building a fire engine that won't work when you have a fire because it's gone rusty If the government had spent a billion buying ppe in 2016 and another 500 million a year replacing the stuff going out of date and god knows how much to dispose of the out of date stock the media would have went ape shit Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have but fk all use for the future. The big issue is the UK dont manufacture anything so God knows what we are hoping to export using Boris trade deals sorry this is a tangent to the thread but ppe is used daily in hospitals just not at the current rate, so couldnt we stockpile then rotate FIFO with ongoing standard orders like supermarkets too that way we have a build up stock but it gets used before it goes out of date, with the stock continually topped up... no waste of money, loads on hand for emergency , win win " Now that would make sense but it would need a initial outlay. But I think the country is run a little like the car industry, with the just in time method. Now that might work for the car industry....but pandemics dont work that way  | |||
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" Stockpiled stuff goes out if date and gets chucked away ... So what? Would you rather build a fire engine and never use it, or wait until there's a fire and then start building a fire engine? There's no point building a fire engine that won't work when you have a fire because it's gone rusty If the government had spent a billion buying ppe in 2016 and another 500 million a year replacing the stuff going out of date and god knows how much to dispose of the out of date stock the media would have went ape shit Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have but fk all use for the future. The big issue is the UK dont manufacture anything so God knows what we are hoping to export using Boris trade deals sorry this is a tangent to the thread but ppe is used daily in hospitals just not at the current rate, so couldnt we stockpile then rotate FIFO with ongoing standard orders like supermarkets too that way we have a build up stock but it gets used before it goes out of date, with the stock continually topped up... no waste of money, loads on hand for emergency , win win " we can't have any of that sensible talk on this thread you know beautiful. I'm sending my thoughts and prayers to Boris following his ding ding - I do hope he had his seatbelt on... | |||
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" Stockpiled stuff goes out if date and gets chucked away ... So what? Would you rather build a fire engine and never use it, or wait until there's a fire and then start building a fire engine? There's no point building a fire engine that won't work when you have a fire because it's gone rusty If the government had spent a billion buying ppe in 2016 and another 500 million a year replacing the stuff going out of date and god knows how much to dispose of the out of date stock the media would have went ape shit Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have but fk all use for the future. The big issue is the UK dont manufacture anything so God knows what we are hoping to export using Boris trade deals sorry this is a tangent to the thread but ppe is used daily in hospitals just not at the current rate, so couldnt we stockpile then rotate FIFO with ongoing standard orders like supermarkets too that way we have a build up stock but it gets used before it goes out of date, with the stock continually topped up... no waste of money, loads on hand for emergency , win win " Far too sensible | |||
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"It’s a simple case of damned if you do damned if you don’t!! There no rule book on how to handle such situations." Here here friends Missing ya x
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" Stockpiled stuff goes out if date and gets chucked away ... So what? Would you rather build a fire engine and never use it, or wait until there's a fire and then start building a fire engine? There's no point building a fire engine that won't work when you have a fire because it's gone rusty If the government had spent a billion buying ppe in 2016 and another 500 million a year replacing the stuff going out of date and god knows how much to dispose of the out of date stock the media would have went ape shit Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have but fk all use for the future. The big issue is the UK dont manufacture anything so God knows what we are hoping to export using Boris trade deals sorry this is a tangent to the thread but ppe is used daily in hospitals just not at the current rate, so couldnt we stockpile then rotate FIFO with ongoing standard orders like supermarkets too that way we have a build up stock but it gets used before it goes out of date, with the stock continually topped up... no waste of money, loads on hand for emergency , win win Now that would make sense but it would need a initial outlay. But I think the country is run a little like the car industry, with the just in time method. Now that might work for the car industry....but pandemics dont work that way "i know it would require initial outlay but it would have stopped it ever becoming wasted outlay and then we could have tightened up on something we knew we were lacking after the last test run although i am also not naive enough that barely even any companies run on a plan for all possible outcomes basis so i guess why would we expect countries to manage it | |||
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"Also, Regards Boris getting banged up the bumper just now... I am emotionally prepared to be wrong and suffer the wrath of fabswingers forum thread - but, was that police and PM convoy going the wrong way around Parliament Square? It's a roundabout. Far be it for me to suggest anything about 'rules' and who they might apply to..." Typically, the police would normally briefly stop the traffic (effectively closing the road) to allow these sorts of convoy to pull out and the route the cars take is pre planned and approved based on any security threats that may be current. | |||
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"Also, Regards Boris getting banged up the bumper just now... I am emotionally prepared to be wrong and suffer the wrath of fabswingers forum thread - but, was that police and PM convoy going the wrong way around Parliament Square? It's a roundabout. Far be it for me to suggest anything about 'rules' and who they might apply to... Typically, the police would normally briefly stop the traffic (effectively closing the road) to allow these sorts of convoy to pull out and the route the cars take is pre planned and approved based on any security threats that may be current." Thank you for clearing that up! They must have missed that security threat this afternoon... shall we let them all off again? | |||
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"Also, Regards Boris getting banged up the bumper just now... I am emotionally prepared to be wrong and suffer the wrath of fabswingers forum thread - but, was that police and PM convoy going the wrong way around Parliament Square? It's a roundabout. Far be it for me to suggest anything about 'rules' and who they might apply to..." Not sure about that, a protester ran out into the road and the driver slammed his brakes on, causing the car behind (security?) to run into the back of him, nasty dent in his Jag! | |||
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"Also, Regards Boris getting banged up the bumper just now... I am emotionally prepared to be wrong and suffer the wrath of fabswingers forum thread - but, was that police and PM convoy going the wrong way around Parliament Square? It's a roundabout. Far be it for me to suggest anything about 'rules' and who they might apply to... Typically, the police would normally briefly stop the traffic (effectively closing the road) to allow these sorts of convoy to pull out and the route the cars take is pre planned and approved based on any security threats that may be current. Thank you for clearing that up! They must have missed that security threat this afternoon... shall we let them all off again?"Someone will be getting a bollocking. One of the first rules in convoy security is to leave enough space that the vehicles can manoeuvre round each other to respond to threats. The following vehicle was way too close. However that will be a matter for the police as they will be providing the personnel in that vehicle and not the government. | |||
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