FabSwingers.com forum: Everyone Vaccinated in Uk

By *asmeen OP TV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

By Christmas.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

Not a chance.

They can't make it mandatory either, goes against human rights, never mind other reasons.

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By *asmeen OP TV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

It's a breakthrough no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't agree with it

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By *ohnjones3210Man
over a year ago

Chester

I'm not getting a fucking vaccine. Lol.

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By *asmeen OP TV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Don't agree with it"

Why?

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By *asmeen OP TV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"I'm not getting a fucking vaccine. Lol."

No need to swear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im not either

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By *asmeen OP TV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Im not either "
or me

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By *w-StudMan
over a year ago

manchster

These people are twisted forced vacs not over my dead body

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

Who has developed the vaccine?

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

"Who has developed the vaccine?"

Apparently Bill Gates has something to do with it & if that's true it ain't a vaccine. if it's from a computer guy....it's a nano tracker, far better than an app.

That's my suspicion anyway, it's been produced way too fast to be "safe" as well. Typically it takes 10 years not 1!

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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago

Shangri-la

Where is this info coming from? Last I heard there are several vaccine trials at various stages and some look reasonably promising, but as far as I know no trials are completed.

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By *KAholeandgloryCouple
over a year ago

exeter

If it helps get the country back to normal bring it on I say

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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago

Shangri-la

So having just done a quick Google, they're commencing making vast quantities of a vaccine before the trials on it are even complete, so they actually don't know how effective it will be?

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By *ankie303Woman
over a year ago

Weirdsville South Coast Dorset

Personally iv had covid 19, looked after my bestie on a daily basis when she had it 3 months later plus work with people that recently had it and I never got it back or got any symptoms of it so I for 1 will not take up any vaccine for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you expect to work your new phones without the microchip being injected ?

I mean Vaccine

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Not a chance.

They can't make it mandatory either, goes against human rights, never mind other reasons. "

How does it go against human rights? The concept of human rights does not mean that you have no obligations.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

Oh, good Lord!

You'll tell us next that it's all a socialist conspiracy, or involves Hilary Clinton or George Soros in some way!

"Who has developed the vaccine?

Apparently Bill Gates has something to do with it & if that's true it ain't a vaccine. if it's from a computer guy....it's a nano tracker, far better than an app."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Certificate Of Vaccination ID.

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By *iss LovelyWoman
over a year ago

Here and There

I’m not against vaccines per se, but this is so new I wouldn’t be comfortable. I wouldn’t have it. If in 5 years everyone who had it is still ok, then maybe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dead against vaccines both my kids are unvaccinated

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

The UK is going to find a world beating vaccine that will be administered in our world beating hospitals of the world beating nhs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All funded by a bullshit artist billinaire like gates? I’ll pass, rather take my chances

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"All funded by a bullshit artist billinaire like gates? I’ll pass, rather take my chances "

How does Gates meet that definition?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend

"By Christmas."

By which Christmas? No chance by Xmas 2020

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will have the vaccine once it's been tested and is safe. If i get covid-19 i will probably die.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Who has developed the vaccine?

Apparently Bill Gates has something to do with it & if that's true it ain't a vaccine. if it's from a computer guy....it's a nano tracker, far better than an app.

That's my suspicion anyway, it's been produced way too fast to be "safe" as well. Typically it takes 10 years not 1!"

If it means you get faster 5G and better ads popping up it’s got to be a good thing ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It won't be for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh just LOL

That's enough Internet for today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there is a safe vacine and I can have it then I will take it.

It is about protecting others as well as yourselves.

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By *lirty and funMan
over a year ago

Redditch

"If there is a safe vacine and I can have it then I will take it.

It is about protecting others as well as yourselves.

Don't worry, most intelligent people will want to be vaccinated and be able to help get everything back to normal again.

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By *inky SpiceWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Take a vaccine? No way, I'm not having 5G injected into my eyeballs, no way on the Flat Earth! I'd rather live on the moon, if only we'd managed to make it there yet. Nope I'll just stay up here on my mountain with the Yetis and up our production of tinfoil hats as I have a feeling the demand is growing!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who has developed the vaccine?

Apparently Bill Gates has something to do with it & if that's true it ain't a vaccine. if it's from a computer guy....it's a nano tracker, far better than an app.

That's my suspicion anyway, it's been produced way too fast to be "safe" as well. Typically it takes 10 years not 1!"

this barely makes any sense at all, you are reading far too much conspiracy shite fodder.

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By *lirty and funMan
over a year ago

Redditch

"Take a vaccine? No way, I'm not having 5G injected into my eyeballs, no way on the Flat Earth! I'd rather live on the moon, if only we'd managed to make it there yet. Nope I'll just stay up here on my mountain with the Yetis and up our production of tinfoil hats as I have a feeling the demand is growing!"

Lol... Yep, that Bill Gates has just gone too far this time.

Fancy making more money by making a vaccine that will kill lots of people! Too far Bill, too far!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but you'll love a 5G vibrator

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anti-vaxxers are utter morons. Dangerous ones at that.

The Gates foundation has saved over 100mil children through increased access to vaccines in developing nations.

But no, believe in your nano chips and 5G death ray tracking new world order, the rest of us will do the work and provide the shield for you.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I wouldn't have it.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I just think if a vaccine is available by Christmas it would be too rushed for me to consider it to be safe enough, especially when compared to the low risk Covid19 carries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If there is a safe vacine and I can have it then I will take it.

It is about protecting others as well as yourselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If there is a safe vacine and I can have it then I will take it.

It is about protecting others as well as yourselves.

Don't worry, most intelligent people will want to be vaccinated and be able to help get everything back to normal again.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

No vaccine for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saying you want to wait until it's thoroughly tested and verified is fair enough; I'll be happy to take it once it's peer reviewed and passed human trials. Get back to my normal life. Pump that 5G in my veins, Bill

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"If there is a safe vacine and I can have it then I will take it.

It is about protecting others as well as yourselves.

Don't worry, most intelligent people will want to be vaccinated and be able to help get everything back to normal again.

Look at the flu vaccine, this virus will mutate

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride

WOW, there are some real roasters on this thread

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

...the internet has a lot to answer for...I would have volunteered for the trials if I knew how.

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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago

leeds

Wow some real space cadets on here today

Bil Gates how can you support 100 million kids with vacinee and become a baddie.

This virus kills people

Vaccine only solution

What a selfish country we live in now.

Wish I could emigrate to new Zealand or australia

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By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

"Dead against vaccines both my kids are unvaccinated "

The most irresponsible and alarming post here. To refuse to protect your children is a crime in my opinion.

People forget how many measles alone killed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If there is a safe vacine and I can have it then I will take it.

It is about protecting others as well as yourselves.

Don't worry, most intelligent people will want to be vaccinated and be able to help get everything back to normal again.

Look at the flu vaccine, this virus will mutate"

Its meant to mutate

YOU get the point though .

Long live Bill Gates

Bog Off Elon Musk .

Its not about 5 G phones

Its About 5 G cars .

Think Bumper Cars around the Matrix , but without

The fit girl &

no red pill blue pill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only one word

smallpox

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Human rights I agree with you all.

I have a friend. A frontline worker who has has the virus 3 times. Each time different strains. I have had it once..

But.. a vaccine?? They won't know the side effects yet.. let's be honest here dementia has been linked to the flu vaccine (in some reports) so what are the long term effects of a Covid vaccine??

Stay safe and well fellow gabbers!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...the internet has a lot to answer for...I would have volunteered for the trials if I knew how."

The nhs staff are testing it now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dead against vaccines both my kids are unvaccinated

The most irresponsible and alarming post here. To refuse to protect your children is a crime in my opinion.

People forget how many measles alone killed.

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By *andy2123Couple
over a year ago

Portsmouth

If it proves to save lives, I'm for it. Simple. Not interested in the politics of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh just LOL

That's enough Internet for today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anti-vaxxers are utter morons. Dangerous ones at that.

The Gates foundation has saved over 100mil children through increased access to vaccines in developing nations.

But no, believe in your nano chips and 5G death ray tracking new world order, the rest of us will do the work and provide the shield for you."

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"Human rights I agree with you all.

I have a friend. A frontline worker who has has the virus 3 times. Each time different strains. I have had it once..

But.. a vaccine?? They won't know the side effects yet.. let's be honest here dementia has been linked to the flu vaccine (in some reports) so what are the long term effects of a Covid vaccine??

Stay safe and well fellow gabbers!"

Bloody hell 3 times. They should present themselves to the scientists. This could be groundbreaking. Surprised the media haven't been all over it.

As for the side effects, these will come out of the trial testing. That's what the trials are for. To test to see whether the vaccine works and to observe any side effects.

As an example, the long term effect of the smallpox vaccine is the eradication of smallpox.

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By *egin551Couple
over a year ago

south west !

"Anti-vaxxers are utter morons. Dangerous ones at that.

The Gates foundation has saved over 100mil children through increased access to vaccines in developing nations.

But no, believe in your nano chips and 5G death ray tracking new world order, the rest of us will do the work and provide the shield for you.

Well said

We are key workers, keeping the county fed, we’ve had friends and neighbors die from this horrible virus.

We are all for a vaccine, it’s the only way to come out of this nightmare we are currently in.

Stay safe guys

Love to you all

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I have a friend. A frontline worker who has has the virus 3 times. Each time different strains. "

So does a positive result tell you which strain you have ?

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By *ymguy1966Man
over a year ago

Port Talbot

"Not a chance.

They can't make it mandatory either, goes against human rights, never mind other reasons. "

Agreed and bollocks will anyone make me do anything I don't want to

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

I have a friend. A frontline worker who has has the virus 3 times. Each time different strains.

So does a positive result tell you which strain you have ?

Good question. Didn't spot that re the different strains.

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I understand people saying they will have it after it has been tested, the thing is that it can take a very long time for people to know the outcome of tests, side effects may not show for decades, or maybe something that affects your children born after your vaccine how can it be tested over a long period?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Human rights I agree with you all.

I have a friend. A frontline worker who has has the virus 3 times. Each time different strains. I have had it once..

But.. a vaccine?? They won't know the side effects yet.. let's be honest here dementia has been linked to the flu vaccine (in some reports) so what are the long term effects of a Covid vaccine??

Stay safe and well fellow gabbers!"

Wow get that looked at as tgats a world first @@

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who has developed the vaccine?

Apparently Bill Gates has something to do with it & if that's true it ain't a vaccine. if it's from a computer guy....it's a nano tracker, far better than an app.

That's my suspicion anyway, it's been produced way too fast to be "safe" as well. Typically it takes 10 years not 1!"

Total horseshit spread by tinfoil hat wearing fuckwits. Please stop believing their drivel, for your own sake.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I have a friend. A frontline worker who has the virus 3 times. Each time different strains.

Your friend is certainly unique. I can't find evidence from any epidemiologist who says you can catch it more than once. People who test positive a second time still have the virus in their body. They haven't caught it twice and they don't display symptoms again.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

So according to the experts on here if by saying no the the vaccine I am an unintelligent moron, so be it.

Mr response to the these experts is " It takes one to know one"

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS
over a year ago

paisley

Oh here we go again, us who don't want the vaccination are called tin foil hat wearers, well given all the fuck ups the Government and their ministers have done, you know the ones, do as I say not as I do,yes those who met their lovers or those who travelled to their second homes, yes those ones, and you didn't stop to question why. Nobody stop and question why Bill Gates, who admitted on TV he wants to cull the population of the world, really who is he,,,? God? Nobody stop and question why he wants to vaccinate the world when he was removed from vaccinating young kids in Africa who developed major health problems and some ended up severely disabled,yet you want to be at the front of the questions waiting for his vaccination?

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

I normally get the FLU jab, if a covid19 jab becomes available I will have it, anyone who does not want it that's fine more available for the rest of us

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By *hades Of GreyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Those that, for whatever reason, would refuse to be vaccinated simply leave themselves vulnerable to infection and death, while those that have been vaccinated will be protected.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"Oh here we go again, us who don't want the vaccination are called tin foil hat wearers, well given all the fuck ups the Government and their ministers have done, you know the ones, do as I say not as I do,yes those who met their lovers or those who travelled to their second homes, yes those ones, and you didn't stop to question why. Nobody stop and question why Bill Gates, who admitted on TV he wants to cull the population of the world, really who is he,,,? God? Nobody stop and question why he wants to vaccinate the world when he was removed from vaccinating young kids in Africa who developed major health problems and some ended up severely disabled,yet you want to be at the front of the questions waiting for his vaccination?"

Ffs you read and believe some crap on the internet don't you. Strangely you are behaving like those that believe a vaccine is the right way to go, in that you are questioning their decision.

Regardless, please show me any proof that Bill Gates is actually involved with all of the different covid-19 vaccine producers/testers. If a vaccine does show to be successful how do you know that he will be involved with it? you seem to be 100% sure that he will be.

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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago

Shangri-la

I hope they do find a viable vaccine. My concern is that they're already making millions of doses of it before it has even completed the trials.

As far as everyone being vaccinated by Christmas goes, I'd say that's over ambitious, unless they plan on sending it out in the post to every member of the UK population to self administer.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

"Those that, for whatever reason, would refuse to be vaccinated simply leave themselves vulnerable to infection and death, while those that have been vaccinated will be protected."

Plus of course open to catching it and passing it on to someone else who could die but that, of course, is their right and no one can force them to have it...unless it becomes a legal requirement maybe.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

If they do come up with any kind vaccine which is very doubtful, it will never be mandatory, and it will never reach anywhere near 100% take up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...the internet has a lot to answer for...I would have volunteered for the trials if I knew how."

I applied but volunteers had to be under 50 so I just missed out.

It's Oxford University with no links to Bill Gates even if there was even a shred of evidence about 5G/nano technology or any of the rest of the BS being peddled on dodgy websites etc.

I am, however, totally baffled and confused by the numbers of people on fab who seem to be swallowing this carp.

If it is indicative of the population as a whole then the general IQ of the country must have fallen drastically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

...the internet has a lot to answer for...I would have volunteered for the trials if I knew how.

I applied but volunteers had to be under 50 so I just missed out.

It's Oxford University with no links to Bill Gates even if there was even a shred of evidence about 5G/nano technology or any of the rest of the BS being peddled on dodgy websites etc.

I am, however, totally baffled and confused by the numbers of people on fab who seem to be swallowing this carp.

If it is indicative of the population as a whole then the general IQ of the country must have fallen drastically. "
This is what you end up with having a nanny state, people can't think for themselves anymore it dumbs down society.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

The Bill Gates chip in a vaccine maybe conspirisy, however digital vax certificates isn't, there has been lots of talk about it, even on THE "Trusted" BBC. It's a slippery slope to China.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

...the internet has a lot to answer for...I would have volunteered for the trials if I knew how.

I applied but volunteers had to be under 50 so I just missed out.

It's Oxford University with no links to Bill Gates even if there was even a shred of evidence about 5G/nano technology or any of the rest of the BS being peddled on dodgy websites etc.

I am, however, totally baffled and confused by the numbers of people on fab who seem to be swallowing this carp.

If it is indicative of the population as a whole then the general IQ of the country must have fallen drastically. This is what you end up with having a nanny state, people can't think for themselves anymore it dumbs down society."

We literally have the opposite of a nanny state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So according to the experts on here if by saying no the the vaccine I am an unintelligent moron, so be it.

Mr response to the these experts is " It takes one to know one" "

That's a quaint adage (I remember it from childhood) but in this case, it really doesn't.

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS
over a year ago

paisley

Ffs you read and believe some crap on the internet don't you. Strangely you are behaving like those that believe a vaccine is the right way to go, in that you are questioning their decision.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2012/10/OPP1068542

How's this for starters, Gates funds the University where Vaccines are being tried and tested

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

"Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful. "

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

Honestly the amount of flat earth shite spouted by some is embarrassing, conspiracy theories here, microchips injected there etc

A vaccine won’t be compulsory if it does come out, I’ll certainly be having one if it works

People of this generation easily forget the horrific diseases that used to kill and maim children especially decades ago before vaccines and think that all is rosy and these diseases aren’t there

Well I’m afraid the reason things are more rosy now is because vaccines got rid of these diseases , people need to speak to their grandparents as to what a pre vaccine world was like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not a chance.

They can't make it mandatory either, goes against human rights, never mind other reasons. "

Well said boo x

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Who has developed the vaccine?

Apparently Bill Gates has something to do with it & if that's true it ain't a vaccine. if it's from a computer guy....it's a nano tracker, far better than an app.

That's my suspicion anyway, it's been produced way too fast to be "safe" as well. Typically it takes 10 years not 1!"

Hahahahahahahah!

Oh the amount of tin-foil-hat bullshit about today really is astonishing.

-Matt

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful.

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful."

And that is your choice and don't feel ashamed. Just a thought though, without the smallpox vaccine there is a good chance that your father wouldn't have made it to adulthood and you wouldn't be here

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful.

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful."

I'm fairly sure world war 2 was not a conflict about vaccines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I am going to say is this Mercury and lead are not to be consumed by the body at all and vacines are no exceptions, before you call me a moron for refusing poisionous shite injected into my body, you should stop being a retard listening to a goverment that has lied you to more times then you can remember!

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"All I am going to say is this Mercury and lead are not to be consumed by the body at all and vacines are no exceptions, before you call me a moron for refusing poisionous shite injected into my body, you should stop being a retard listening to a goverment that has lied you to more times then you can remember!"

Why? Have you found some kind of peer reviewed study that shows them to be harmful for humans?

You seem to have done a risk analysis of the risk of the vaccine vs the risk of the virus. Yet, you don't know what is even in the vaccine yet?

Sounds like anti-vax groupthink.

-Matt

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

you do realise that all human bodies contain mercury and that includes those that have never had a vaccination. As for the poisonous shite, you obviously have no idea. Everything in the world is made up of chemicals. All the chemicals are potentially toxic. However it is down to the dose that you receive as to whether they will be toxic to you. For example, taking two paracetamol will cure a headache but taking 60 at once will probably kill you. same principle for any co-chemical in a vaccine shot.

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

I'd be happy to try a vaccine. The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated. Some folk seem happy to risk other people's health.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Just watch out for Dihydrogen Monoxide... that stuff is fucking lethal. They even put it in beer! Bet the fake news media don't tell you that!

-Matt

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated. "

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I generally think vaccination is a good thing but I won't have this if they do find one or allow my kids to have it. I'm more worried about the side effects than getting a bit if flu (joke)

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?"

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Matt - I already know what herd immunity is without needing to look it up.

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over a year ago

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

Ffs you read and believe some crap on the internet don't you. Strangely you are behaving like those that believe a vaccine is the right way to go, in that you are questioning their decision.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2012/10/OPP1068542

How's this for starters, Gates funds the University where Vaccines are being tried and tested"

omg ha ha ha. I went to that link. Its from 2012 (pretty sure that is pre-covid). Here is the grant title;

Purpose: to engineer a benign parasite as a biological control mechanism against herbivorous insect pests.

Do you have any idea what that study was about? You do realise that a parasite is not a virus? An example of a benign parasite that fits the above description would be a ladybird that eats all the aphids that would eat the plants.

He funded that study in 2012. Very tenuous link to one university that is testing one possible vaccine.

Please try harder and when I say harder you are currently at less than 1% on linking him to the covid virus vaccine testers.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Matt - I already know what herd immunity is without needing to look it up. "

Oh. So why ask the question?

-Matt

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

The ultimate insult is that having a vaccine for something saves the lives of those who refuse them. Lucky I have empathy.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

James said that people who don't have a Covid19 jab shouldn't be allowed to meet on Fab. I was asking him if he felt the same about people who haven't had other inoculations. I wasn't discussing herd immunity.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

"Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful.

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

I'm fairly sure world war 2 was not a conflict about vaccines."

I did not say WW2 was about vaccines, I said it was about freedom, the freedom to give me the opportunity to make my own choices

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"James said that people who don't have a Covid19 jab shouldn't be allowed to meet on Fab. I was asking him if he felt the same about people who haven't had other inoculations. I wasn't discussing herd immunity. "

So why do you think those two situations -- one in which the general population has herd immunity and one in which they don't? Are comparable?

-Matt

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

As I've already been vaccinated for measles and tb, no I've not yet no need to ask, but I do ask about sexual health etc.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Not a chance.

They can't make it mandatory either, goes against human rights, never mind other reasons. "
I agree it won't happen but you have a very different idea about human rights than me

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

"Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful.

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

And that is your choice and don't feel ashamed. Just a thought though, without the smallpox vaccine there is a good chance that your father wouldn't have made it to adulthood and you wouldn't be here

Not too sure what the smallpox vaccine policy would have been in 1909 when my father was born, he would probably have had that and others when he joined up at end of 1939, I was conceived in April 1939 and born in the January of 1940

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt"

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

Looking at some of the rubbish on this thread, I’m amazed that there hasn’t been panic buying of tin foil.

I’d mistrust a vaccine that was only being tested in the UK - pretty much the same as I mistrust anything from this world-beating government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bill gates and his foundation are banned from India for causing the death and disability of 10s of thousands of children through his experimental vaccines same in parts of Africa. He’s been an advocate for population control for decades aswell as most of his circle. This Is same guy who’s dad was the head of a eugenics company better known nowadays as Planned parent hood.

Bunches of sheep are going to line up to be sterilised all because they are ignorant idiots.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?"
If the vaccine works,what is the problem,those that don't can have a horrible death.

Seriously if needed people should be made to have the vacine,no excuses.

Measels etc are coming back because of parents not having there kids vaccinated,it should be automatic,parents failing to comply should be heavily fined and kids injected anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those that, for whatever reason, would refuse to be vaccinated simply leave themselves vulnerable to infection and death, while those that have been vaccinated will be protected."

There will be people who are unable to have the vaccination because of other health issues, that's why it's important for as many as possible to have the vaccine to protect those that can't.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Looking at some of the rubbish on this thread, I’m amazed that there hasn’t been panic buying of tin foil.

I’d mistrust a vaccine that was only being tested in the UK - pretty much the same as I mistrust anything from this world-beating government."
Typical stupid short sighted attitude towards the government

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

The only compulsory vaccine in the UK was smallpox from 1938 - 1948.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did the flu vaccine get rid of the flu. When your kid or family dies or becomes disabled from an unnecessarily needed vaccine your opinion and interest in the science behind it changes

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me? "

The point of herd immunity is that with a sufficiently large proportion of the population inoculated against the disease then it has very little avenue for spreading. And as such even those that are unable or unwilling to vaccinate are protected.

Hence why even if you had not been able to be innoculated against TB, you probably wouldn’t ask your meets if they have as the risk of them having it or passing it to you is extremely low. Unlike the situation we are currently in with C19.

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Looking at some of the rubbish on this thread, I’m amazed that there hasn’t been panic buying of tin foil.

I’d mistrust a vaccine that was only being tested in the UK - pretty much the same as I mistrust anything from this world-beating government.Typical stupid short sighted attitude towards the government"

Not at all. It is just taking the fact that this government is demonstrably completely incompetent into their risk analysis.

-Matt

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

65 million people @ 100,000 Vacinations a day = Six Hundred Fifty days to complete.

in 2016 there were 9374 GP Surgeries in the uk.

100,000 / 9374 = 11 Vacinations a day (rounded up).

= KimPossible.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Did the flu vaccine get rid of the flu. When your kid or family dies or becomes disabled from an unnecessarily needed vaccine your opinion and interest in the science behind it changes "

Yes exactly when your kid or family unnecessarily dies from from a disease that we have a vaccine for, your opinion in the science behind it changes.

-Matt

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Its very simple if you want to be vaccinated do if not dont, what i object to is conspiracy theorists posting crap that may frighten people who would have had a vaccine out of it and potentially putting them and their family's lives at risk.Do they not see they could be indirectly killing people with their beliefs and no evidence to back it up.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Its very simple if you want to be vaccinated do if not dont, what i object to is conspiracy theorists posting crap that may frighten people who would have had a vaccine out of it and potentially putting them and their family's lives at risk.Do they not see they could be indirectly killing people with their beliefs and no evidence to back it up. "

We don’t agree on many things on here Costa. But you are spot on here

-Matt

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

-Matt"

I'll ask again at the risk of appearing rude, how would it help me!

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"If there is a safe vacine and I can have it then I will take it.

It is about protecting others as well as yourselves.

Don't worry, most intelligent people will want to be vaccinated and be able to help get everything back to normal again.

Look at the flu vaccine, this virus will mutate

Its meant to mutate

YOU get the point though .

Long live Bill Gates

Bog Off Elon Musk .

Its not about 5 G phones

Its About 5 G cars .

Think Bumper Cars around the Matrix , but without

The fit girl &

no red pill blue pill

Does Bills vaccine come with free 5G or do you still need a contract ?

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Bill gates and his foundation are banned from India for causing the death and disability of 10s of thousands of children through his experimental vaccines same in parts of Africa. He’s been an advocate for population control for decades aswell as most of his circle. This Is same guy who’s dad was the head of a eugenics company better known nowadays as Planned parent hood.

Bunches of sheep are going to line up to be sterilised all because they are ignorant idiots. "

That is all a complete load of twaddle, frankly. This is the problem. People spread propaganda like like and useful idiots get conned into spreading it further.

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

-Matt

I'll ask again at the risk of appearing rude, how would it help me! "

I wouldn’t say it is rude. I’d say it is curious as I have already answered your question. You’ve even quoted my answer above.

-Matt

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Too many people here are not only listening to their Rice Crispies - they are taking advice from them.

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

-Matt

I'll ask again at the risk of appearing rude, how would it help me!

I wouldn’t say it is rude. I’d say it is curious as I have already answered your question. You’ve even quoted my answer above.

-Matt"

Third time lucky.

If I catch covid off a meet, how does herd immunity help me?

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

-Matt

I'll ask again at the risk of appearing rude, how would it help me!

I wouldn’t say it is rude. I’d say it is curious as I have already answered your question. You’ve even quoted my answer above.

-Matt

Third time lucky.

If I catch covid off a meet, how does herd immunity help me?"

It doesn’t.

But your argument is a straw man and trying to divert from the point.

The point is that you would be less likely to catch it in the first place. Hence you would be unlikely to ask your meets if they are vaccinated against it.

-Matt

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

-Matt

I'll ask again at the risk of appearing rude, how would it help me!

I wouldn’t say it is rude. I’d say it is curious as I have already answered your question. You’ve even quoted my answer above.

-Matt

Third time lucky.

If I catch covid off a meet, how does herd immunity help me?

It doesn’t.

But your argument is a straw man and trying to divert from the point.

The point is that you would be less likely to catch it in the first place. Hence you would be unlikely to ask your meets if they are vaccinated against it.

-Matt"

Thank you for answering but I'm smart and would be vaccinated. It's all about lowering risk.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful.

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful."

I find the idea that our soldiers fought for "ignoring medical advice and putting lives at risk, because I think my choice overrides my responsibilities to my community" pretty repugnant and ahistorical.

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By *hades Of GreyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful."

Refusing to be vaccinated simply because you think it against your freedom is anti-social and you should indeed be ashamed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I will have the vaccine once it's been tested and is safe. If i get covid-19 i will probably die."

It seems you don't matter according the quite a lot on here. As long as Bill Gates can't rack them your'e worth sacrificing

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

-Matt

I'll ask again at the risk of appearing rude, how would it help me!

I wouldn’t say it is rude. I’d say it is curious as I have already answered your question. You’ve even quoted my answer above.

-Matt

Third time lucky.

If I catch covid off a meet, how does herd immunity help me?

It doesn’t.

But your argument is a straw man and trying to divert from the point.

The point is that you would be less likely to catch it in the first place. Hence you would be unlikely to ask your meets if they are vaccinated against it.

-Matt

Thank you for answering but I'm smart and would be vaccinated. It's all about lowering risk.

I totally agree. So would I in due course. But I was answering the question actually posed about whether you would ask your meet if they had TB vaccine.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vaccines have been a medical revolution that has saved millions of lives world-wide. Would I have the vaccine if/when it becomes available? Yes.. Would I want to be one of the first? No! Id rather wait a 6-12 months after it starts but hats off to people who volunteer to trial these vaccines

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ffs you read and believe some crap on the internet don't you. Strangely you are behaving like those that believe a vaccine is the right way to go, in that you are questioning their decision.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2012/10/OPP1068542

How's this for starters, Gates funds the University where Vaccines are being tried and tested"

Good on him!! He's a generous/rich man. Though actually its his charitable foundation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bunches of sheep are going to line up to be sterilised all because they are ignorant idiots. "

You do know there is not one iota of truth in the above statement??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bunches of sheep are going to line up to be sterilised all because they are ignorant idiots.

You do know there is not one iota of truth in the above statement??"

This is one of the factors in this viral outbreak that hasn't been considered, it will take a really long time to convince the public to accept a vaccine, there's a good possibility a significant portion of the population would choose to die rather than have a jab sadly.

But it does seem when you take this into consideration, covid-19 is going to be with us for much longer than until a vaccine is developed. Because the rollout and uptake of the vaccine could potentially be years before the public have any significant amount of immunity to the virus.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Leaving aside the made up Bill Gates conspiracy rubbish, I won't be first in the queue to be vaccinated.

I think too much political pressure has been layered onto the vaccine development process and that will increase the inevitability of corners having been cut.

I'll hang on for 18 months after innoculations start and see where I go from there.

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By *hades Of GreyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Bunches of sheep are going to line up to be sterilised all because they are ignorant idiots.

You do know there is not one iota of truth in the above statement??

Hopefully the public will react to a vaccine for Covid19 in the same way as they did for the vaccine for smallpox where the vast majority went for vaccination, it resulted in the effective eradication of the disease. However, then and now, there will always be a small percentage of the population that think they know better, refuse the vaccine and continue to endanger themselves.

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

-Matt

I'll ask again at the risk of appearing rude, how would it help me!

I wouldn’t say it is rude. I’d say it is curious as I have already answered your question. You’ve even quoted my answer above.

-Matt

Third time lucky.

If I catch covid off a meet, how does herd immunity help me?

It doesn’t.

But your argument is a straw man and trying to divert from the point.

The point is that you would be less likely to catch it in the first place. Hence you would be unlikely to ask your meets if they are vaccinated against it.

-Matt

Thank you for answering but I'm smart and would be vaccinated. It's all about lowering risk.

I totally agree. So would I in due course. But I was answering the question actually posed about whether you would ask your meet if they had TB vaccine.

-Matt"

Ex military, and old enough to have a tb jab so don't need to ask.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

-Matt

I'll ask again at the risk of appearing rude, how would it help me!

I wouldn’t say it is rude. I’d say it is curious as I have already answered your question. You’ve even quoted my answer above.

-Matt

Third time lucky.

If I catch covid off a meet, how does herd immunity help me?

It doesn’t.

But your argument is a straw man and trying to divert from the point.

The point is that you would be less likely to catch it in the first place. Hence you would be unlikely to ask your meets if they are vaccinated against it.

-Matt

Thank you for answering but I'm smart and would be vaccinated. It's all about lowering risk.

I totally agree. So would I in due course. But I was answering the question actually posed about whether you would ask your meet if they had TB vaccine.

-Matt

Ex military, and old enough to have a tb jab so don't need to ask. "

I’m just going to assume that you are just deliberately trying to miss the point now.

-Matt

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By *inky SpiceWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful.

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful."

They did not fight, and die, for "freedom", they fought to protect the lives of their loved ones and their countrymen and women. They fought out of a sense of social responsibility, which is something that seems to be very lacking today, though I'm surprised at someone of your generation showing such a dearth of it.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful.

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

They may have fought for freedom, but it was tinged with duty and community responsibility, not just "I want"

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

Refusing to be vaccinated simply because you think it against your freedom is anti-social and you should indeed be ashamed."

I would be hesitant as I'm uncomfortable that a vaccine can be comprehensively tested for safety in 6 months

For all who say they would take it could you disclose the contraindications please and its pathway of inoculation please so I may know the risk for myself

Personally I dont think a vaccination will occur

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hopefully the public will react to a vaccine for Covid19 in the same way as they did for the vaccine for smallpox where the vast majority went for vaccination, it resulted in the effective eradication of the disease. However, then and now, there will always be a small percentage of the population that think they know better, refuse the vaccine and continue to endanger themselves."

Trouble is, it's a much more interconnected world at this stage and misinformation does seem to spread quite quickly in the 21st Century. Coupled with the era of misinformation that we seem to live in once travel opens back up significantly there will most likely be continued outbreaks. Not to mention most vaccines aren't 100% effective, which will just galvanise the fake news hysteria further it seems.

Anyway, just speculating, only way to know is to suck it up and see what happens.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

Refusing to be vaccinated simply because you think it against your freedom is anti-social and you should indeed be ashamed.

I would be hesitant as I'm uncomfortable that a vaccine can be comprehensively tested for safety in 6 months

For all who say they would take it could you disclose the contraindications please and its pathway of inoculation please so I may know the risk for myself

Personally I dont think a vaccination will occur

I'm hesitant about the reduced time frame and safety.

In principle the idea is a good one and doing our bit for ourselves and each other should be encouraged. In principle I'm all for it.

In practice... let's see how it pans out.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"Dead against vaccines both my kids are unvaccinated "
Posibly the most appalling thing I have ever read on here. Your lack of shame about your lack of consideration for everyone else is deeply troubling.

Mr Icebreaker

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Anyway, just speculating, only way to know is to suck it up and see what happens."

There's been significant documentation on the explosion of conspiracy theories in this. Few articles on Science Based Medicine have been excellent on the topic.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

Refusing to be vaccinated simply because you think it against your freedom is anti-social and you should indeed be ashamed.

I would be hesitant as I'm uncomfortable that a vaccine can be comprehensively tested for safety in 6 months

For all who say they would take it could you disclose the contraindications please and its pathway of inoculation please so I may know the risk for myself

Personally I dont think a vaccination will occur

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When it's developed all the information will be outh there, and doubtless you will still be showing off your ill informed skepticism as if it's a badge of honour.

Good luck with that one.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The only compulsory vaccine in the UK was smallpox from 1938 - 1948. "
Interesting thanks for info but it means that it can be done although the modern world does not like to comply due to ignorance

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

Refusing to be vaccinated simply because you think it against your freedom is anti-social and you should indeed be ashamed.

I would be hesitant as I'm uncomfortable that a vaccine can be comprehensively tested for safety in 6 months

For all who say they would take it could you disclose the contraindications please and its pathway of inoculation please so I may know the risk for myself

Personally I dont think a vaccination will occur

I'm hesitant about the reduced time frame and safety.

In principle the idea is a good one and doing our bit for ourselves and each other should be encouraged. In principle I'm all for it.

In practice... let's see how it pans out."

Indeed. Safety has to not be compromised. There are currently 102 vaccines for C19 in development and 8 of those are already being tested on humans. How effective they all are, who knows.

I guess one silver lining in all this is that it is certainly spurring on a hell of a lot of research in this area. Already we are seeing novel approaches (e.g. those coming out of Bristol) for development of vaccines for viruses that may work out better than existing methods.

-Matt

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By *pmsldCouple
over a year ago

kettering

If it passes trials I would be willing to have it, hell if the pay was good I'd take part in the trial lol. Although are we even sure everyone will receive it anyway? Is it not more likely it will be rolled out to the elderly and high risk categories like the flu jab? The younger generation will do what it's doing now catch it and build immunity naturally. To the anti vax gang, what's your answer ? At some point vaccine or not the country will be required to go back to normal (schools for example the only answer to get them going again is to drop social distancing) would you be happy with sending your kids to school unprotected ? Or for your elderly and high risk to stay in doors for the rest of their life or risk catching it?

As for Bill Gates ideas on population control, they may be unpopular but they are actually correct. Humans are the rats of earth, our ever expanding population will cause serious issues down the line, not in our life time but eventually we will be unsustainable, not a future I would want to live in.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Who has developed the vaccine?

Apparently Bill Gates has something to do with it & if that's true it ain't a vaccine. if it's from a computer guy....it's a nano tracker, far better than an app.

That's my suspicion anyway, it's been produced way too fast to be "safe" as well. Typically it takes 10 years not 1!"
Rubbish it is Oxford University although Gates maybe putting money in.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

Refusing to be vaccinated simply because you think it against your freedom is anti-social and you should indeed be ashamed.

I would be hesitant as I'm uncomfortable that a vaccine can be comprehensively tested for safety in 6 months

For all who say they would take it could you disclose the contraindications please and its pathway of inoculation please so I may know the risk for myself

Personally I dont think a vaccination will occur

I'm hesitant about the reduced time frame and safety.

In principle the idea is a good one and doing our bit for ourselves and each other should be encouraged. In principle I'm all for it.

In practice... let's see how it pans out.

Indeed. Safety has to not be compromised. There are currently 102 vaccines for C19 in development and 8 of those are already being tested on humans. How effective they all are, who knows.

-Matt"

I'm in no way against vaccination in case it's unclear. I trust the process.

The process is being compromised, if for good reason. The potential risks increase that way. My support becomes more tentative.

We'll see what happens, and what scientific consensus on any results might look like.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"Oh dear plenty of anti vaxers around then. Shameful.

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful."
You know the best bit of the 'my father fought in world war two to defend our freedoms' line of fuckwittery?

The majority of the British Armed Forces in World War Two were conscripts.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If it passes trials I would be willing to have it, hell if the pay was good I'd take part in the trial lol. Although are we even sure everyone will receive it anyway? Is it not more likely it will be rolled out to the elderly and high risk categories like the flu jab? The younger generation will do what it's doing now catch it and build immunity naturally. To the anti vax gang, what's your answer ? At some point vaccine or not the country will be required to go back to normal (schools for example the only answer to get them going again is to drop social distancing) would you be happy with sending your kids to school unprotected ? Or for your elderly and high risk to stay in doors for the rest of their life or risk catching it?

I'm 34, was fit and healthy with no relevant underlying conditions.

I got Covid-19 5-6 weeks ago, a "mild" case, and am still knocked flat. This disease is not uniformly mild in young healthy people.

And by analogy with other human corona viruses, natural immunity is unlikely to last. (No I'm not an expert but I can list sources I've gleaned things from)

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

My father fought in WW2 in order that we maintained our freedom, that included the freedom of choice, I continue to enjoy that particular freedom when I choose not to have the vaccine.

I do not consider it in any way shameful.

Refusing to be vaccinated simply because you think it against your freedom is anti-social and you should indeed be ashamed.

I would be hesitant as I'm uncomfortable that a vaccine can be comprehensively tested for safety in 6 months

For all who say they would take it could you disclose the contraindications please and its pathway of inoculation please so I may know the risk for myself

Personally I dont think a vaccination will occur

I'm hesitant about the reduced time frame and safety.

In principle the idea is a good one and doing our bit for ourselves and each other should be encouraged. In principle I'm all for it.

In practice... let's see how it pans out."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is, it's a much more interconnected world at this stage and misinformation does seem to spread quite quickly in the 21st Century. Coupled with the era of misinformation that we seem to live in once travel opens back up significantly there will most likely be continued outbreaks. Not to mention most vaccines aren't 100% effective, which will just galvanise the fake news hysteria further it seems.

Anyway, just speculating, only way to know is to suck it up and see what happens.

There's been significant documentation on the explosion of conspiracy theories in this. Few articles on Science Based Medicine have been excellent on the topic."

Obviously conspiracies is nothing new and have existed in different cultures but it certainly does feel like social media and a more interconnected world has lead to an explosion of them.

My hope is that the current uptick of conspiracies is a fad that fizzles out.

But I feel that will take time, better information in schools. Or a focus on improving questioning sources and understanding where information comes from and why.

But obviously that doesn't solve the issue for the generations who are already past education age. Perhaps they will just fizzle out over time. Or there will be a movement back towards factual news, who knows really.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It certainly reveals a crisis in critical thinking.

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By *pmsldCouple
over a year ago

kettering

I'm 34, was fit and healthy with no relevant underlying conditions.

I got Covid-19 5-6 weeks ago, a "mild" case, and am still knocked flat. This disease is not uniformly mild in young healthy people.

And by analogy with other human corona viruses, natural immunity is unlikely to last. (No I'm not an expert but I can list sources I've gleaned things from)"

It depends what you call mild though. Did you require medical assistance? Or did you fight it off naturally ? I'm not saying it's not a horrible thing to catch but if the majority can fight it themselves then it's possible they wont vaccinate everyone. I wasnt saying they shouldn't give it to everyone I was just throwing the idea out there that the powers that be might decide not to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who has developed the vaccine?

Apparently Bill Gates has something to do with it & if that's true it ain't a vaccine. if it's from a computer guy....it's a nano tracker, far better than an app.

That's my suspicion anyway, it's been produced way too fast to be "safe" as well. Typically it takes 10 years not 1!"

We have a live one

haha

Bet you typed that comment on your mobile phone

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm 34, was fit and healthy with no relevant underlying conditions.

I got Covid-19 5-6 weeks ago, a "mild" case, and am still knocked flat. This disease is not uniformly mild in young healthy people.

And by analogy with other human corona viruses, natural immunity is unlikely to last. (No I'm not an expert but I can list sources I've gleaned things from)

The medical authorities say 80% of cases are mild.

The medical authorities say my case was mild.

I am one of the 80% with a mild infection.

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By *hades Of GreyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Dead against vaccines both my kids are unvaccinated

Your unvaccinated children are in danger of contracting the diseases below to name just a few:

Chickenpox (Varicella)

Diphtheria

Flu (Influenza)

Hepatitis A

Hepatitis B

Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b)

HPV (Human Papillomavirus)

Measles

Meningococcal

Mumps

Pneumococcal

Polio (Poliomyelitis)

Rotavirus

Rubella (German Measles)

Shingles (Herpes Zoster)

Tetanus (Lockjaw)

Whooping Cough (Pertussis )

Are you not ashamed that your actions can be perceived as child abuse?!

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"I'm not getting a fucking vaccine. Lol."

It’s a vaccine, not a f*****g vaccine!

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

No thankyou.

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

"The people who don't want to immunise themselves/thier kids, should not meet people on fab or there should be a filter to block them if they not vaccinated.

Before meeting do you check if people have been vaccinated against measles or TB ?

Luckily a large enough portion of the population have been. Go look up "herd immunity".

-Matt

If I was stupid enough to not take a vaccine, and then contracted covid of a meet, please explain how herd immunity is going to help me?

-Matt

I'll ask again at the risk of appearing rude, how would it help me!

I wouldn’t say it is rude. I’d say it is curious as I have already answered your question. You’ve even quoted my answer above.

-Matt

Third time lucky.

If I catch covid off a meet, how does herd immunity help me?

It doesn’t.

But your argument is a straw man and trying to divert from the point.

The point is that you would be less likely to catch it in the first place. Hence you would be unlikely to ask your meets if they are vaccinated against it.

-Matt

Thank you for answering but I'm smart and would be vaccinated. It's all about lowering risk.

I totally agree. So would I in due course. But I was answering the question actually posed about whether you would ask your meet if they had TB vaccine.

-Matt

Ex military, and old enough to have a tb jab so don't need to ask.

I’m just going to assume that you are just deliberately trying to miss the point now.

-Matt"

Who's "point"?

Mine or yours?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I look at it this way:

Short term effects of virus are known to be harmful through to deadly, being generally though not exclusively more dangerous to older people. Long term effects of virus on any age groups is unknown. Virus has not had any level of safety testing. Virus may mutate into weaker form, but by exact same logic may mutate into a stronger form that is deadly across all age groups.

Vaccine will be designed specifically with aim of having minimal short term harmful effects. Vaccine will be safety tested and not released unless categorically proven to be less dangerous than catching the virus. Scientific knowledge about side effects of other vaccines will help minimise possibility of side effects and long term effects of vaccine. Vaccine will be quality tested to ensure uniform dosage and composition, there will be no mutation of vaccine into more dangerous forms.

Virus = definitely dangerous.

Vaccine = definitely safer than virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who has developed the vaccine?

Apparently Bill Gates has something to do with it & if that's true it ain't a vaccine. if it's from a computer guy....it's a nano tracker, far better than an app.

That's my suspicion anyway, it's been produced way too fast to be "safe" as well. Typically it takes 10 years not 1!"

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Our country is going down the drain with people no longer listening to experts. Gates left computers long ago and his Foundation has done incredible charitable work worldwide. They have set up and provided seed funding for vaccine development but it is governments paying in the rest. Really depressing how many people are falling for quite blatent lies about vaccines.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I can't understand why any sane, intelligent person, with health that would support a vaccine, wouldn't keep an open mind, without judgement, until the options and the situation at that time, are known.

The evidence about the vaccine(s) will have been published, we'll know how much infection is around and we'll also be able to debunk any conspiracy theories around. We'd also understand our position on herd immunity.

Will I have it? I don't know at this point but I'm capable of assessing the evidence at that point. I have no ideological position against vaccinations per se.

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By *utterflyandArtificeCouple
over a year ago

Trowbridge

Meh! Had so many jabs before, one more isn't going to make much difference.

Much better than being a carrier and infecting one and all.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Imagine a world where you could only work, shop, or travel if you'd had the vaccine...

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

As for conspiracy theories surrounding vaccines being a worldwide conspiracy by governments/ big pharma / illuminati/ megalomaniac individuals/ aliens/ "insert own craziness here" to control/monitor/decimate/whatever humanity - for anyone with the means to do this, it would be a fuck sight easier to just shove something into aspirin/beans/beer/condoms/toothpaste/basically-any-other-product.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"As for conspiracy theories surrounding vaccines being a worldwide conspiracy by governments/ big pharma / illuminati/ megalomaniac individuals/ aliens/ "insert own craziness here" to control/monitor/decimate/whatever humanity - for anyone with the means to do this, it would be a fuck sight easier to just shove something into aspirin/beans/beer/condoms/toothpaste/basically-any-other-product. "

Perfect products for adulteration with mind control nanobots - bog roll and hand sanitizer...

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Perfect products for adulteration with mind control nanobots - bog roll and hand sanitizer..."

Underarm deodorant..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of pro covid vaccine nutters on here.

Bunch of tin hatted conspirisists believing a rushed vaccine which takes many years to properly test is actually safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I dont think so, it takes a very long time to develop a vaccine, we could be looking at least maybe in 10 years time and that is if everything goes smoothly with it.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"A lot of pro covid vaccine nutters on here.

Bunch of tin hatted conspirisists believing a rushed vaccine which takes many years to properly test is actually safe."

Nope. But there's a fair few of us that believe in the scientific method, checks and balances, and that it should be safer to take something that will have been extensively tested and overseen by independent regulatory bodies, than it would be to shove down whatever quack treatment Trump happens to mouth off about on any particular day.

To be clear about this: if the "vaccine" is something thrown together by one of johnsons/cummings mates with no proper oversight (covid phone app anybody?) then it ain't going anywhere near my body or any of my relatives. But if it becomes a choice between taking a properly developed and tested vaccine/treatment that still might have some side effects on say one in a million, or contracting a virus in the name of "herd immunity" that has been totally seen to have short term side effects up to lung damage and death on about one in a hundred and could have nobody knows what long term effects on who knows how many? Um, difficult choice. Not.

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