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"Lets hope it stays over there and dont escape to here. Things are slowly getting back to normal Death rates slowly decreasing" 14 day quarantine here is should not get here this time unless the French let it loose on a raft for us to contain  | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China " And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese " Most of the testing chemicals we use come from china | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese " From a economic stand point that would be financial suicide for the economy..... Think of China as the heart of the global economy..... | |||
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"Absolutely. Just saying "it's a cultural thing", is no excuse for skinning live dogs and cooking live animals. They're supposed to be a civilized nation, it's high time they moved out of the dark ages and stopped spreading zoonotic viruses." Their civilization has been around before the UK was owned by Denmark.... So it’s kinda rude to tell them to change..... | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese Most of the testing chemicals we use come from china" Then we need to make our own we used to before china started making shit for the rest of the world Or find a new source for all the shit we use here That’s why we in this mess because we became reliant on the Chinese crap they peddle | |||
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"The world needs to clamp down on food hygiene standards and hit China hard " And poverty? Child labour? Fgm? And a thousand other things we find abhorrent? Kids scavenging for food in India? Are those things ok because they dont affect us in our ivory towers? | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious "Isnt it just | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese Most of the testing chemicals we use come from china Then we need to make our own we used to before china started making shit for the rest of the world Or find a new source for all the shit we use here That’s why we in this mess because we became reliant on the Chinese crap they peddle " Can't make our own as a glorious prime minister took a wrecking ball to industry in general a while back  | |||
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"Absolutely. Just saying "it's a cultural thing", is no excuse for skinning live dogs and cooking live animals. They're supposed to be a civilized nation, it's high time they moved out of the dark ages and stopped spreading zoonotic viruses. Their civilization has been around before the UK was owned by Denmark.... So it’s kinda rude to tell them to change....." If Egypt/Italy or any of the other very early slave trading cultures were still using slaves would it be rude to tell them to change too? | |||
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"Absolutely. Just saying "it's a cultural thing", is no excuse for skinning live dogs and cooking live animals. They're supposed to be a civilized nation, it's high time they moved out of the dark ages and stopped spreading zoonotic viruses. Their civilization has been around before the UK was owned by Denmark.... So it’s kinda rude to tell them to change..... If Egypt/Italy or any of the other very early slave trading cultures were still using slaves would it be rude to tell them to change too?" Slavery is a economic system.... that would be phased out by the industrial revolution..... Telling a country what they should eat is a social standard.... Should Hindu’s in India tell the citizens of the UK not to eat beef? Because they find it socially , morally and religiously wrong.... Do you see the difference? | |||
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"The world needs to clamp down on food hygiene standards and hit China hard And poverty? Child labour? Fgm? And a thousand other things we find abhorrent? Kids scavenging for food in India? Are those things ok because they dont affect us in our ivory towers?" I'm talking about food hygiene standards. I don't get your point about other things. | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese Most of the testing chemicals we use come from china Then we need to make our own we used to before china started making shit for the rest of the world Or find a new source for all the shit we use here That’s why we in this mess because we became reliant on the Chinese crap they peddle Can't make our own as a glorious prime minister took a wrecking ball to industry in general a while back "What industry's that competed with China did boris close down? | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese Most of the testing chemicals we use come from china Then we need to make our own we used to before china started making shit for the rest of the world Or find a new source for all the shit we use here That’s why we in this mess because we became reliant on the Chinese crap they peddle Can't make our own as a glorious prime minister took a wrecking ball to industry in general a while back What industry's that competed with China did boris close down?"None that I know of as I wasn't talking about him. | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese Most of the testing chemicals we use come from china Then we need to make our own we used to before china started making shit for the rest of the world Or find a new source for all the shit we use here That’s why we in this mess because we became reliant on the Chinese crap they peddle " It's down to price. We can't manafacture things for less than China. Even with the shipping fees china is still way cheaper than if we made things here on our doorstep. The world will probably always be reliant on China to deliver the goods for as long as they can get away with child and forced labour. | |||
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"Here comes xenophobia again.. There is nothing in that article mentioning it being a live food market. It's a wholesale market like the thousands that exist around the world. There are multiple outbreaks around the world and here is another one. They are testing thousands of people (much more than the UK) in the area, locking it down and reporting it to the world. " Quite, the ignorance of some people is astounding. Including the media | |||
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"Here comes xenophobia again.. There is nothing in that article mentioning it being a live food market. It's a wholesale market like the thousands that exist around the world. There are multiple outbreaks around the world and here is another one. They are testing thousands of people (much more than the UK) in the area, locking it down and reporting it to the world. Quite, the ignorance of some people is astounding. Including the media" We’re suppose to be one of the most educated countries in the world sadly we’re mostly educated in consumerism and greed. The sad thing is most folk don’t even know it ! And when it comes to poverty we actually have no idea, perhaps if people were to experience true poverty and famine they might actually see the bigger picture and how we in the west are the bigger problem ! | |||
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"Here comes xenophobia again.. There is nothing in that article mentioning it being a live food market. It's a wholesale market like the thousands that exist around the world. There are multiple outbreaks around the world and here is another one. They are testing thousands of people (much more than the UK) in the area, locking it down and reporting it to the world. Quite, the ignorance of some people is astounding. Including the media We’re suppose to be one of the most educated countries in the world sadly we’re mostly educated in consumerism and greed. The sad thing is most folk don’t even know it ! And when it comes to poverty we actually have no idea, perhaps if people were to experience true poverty and famine they might actually see the bigger picture and how we in the west are the bigger problem ! " Do you have a smartphone and flatscreen television? | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
Isnt it just"Samsung phones are made in South Korea. 
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"Here comes xenophobia again.. There is nothing in that article mentioning it being a live food market. It's a wholesale market like the thousands that exist around the world. There are multiple outbreaks around the world and here is another one. They are testing thousands of people (much more than the UK) in the area, locking it down and reporting it to the world. Quite, the ignorance of some people is astounding. Including the media We’re suppose to be one of the most educated countries in the world sadly we’re mostly educated in consumerism and greed. The sad thing is most folk don’t even know it ! And when it comes to poverty we actually have no idea, perhaps if people were to experience true poverty and famine they might actually see the bigger picture and how we in the west are the bigger problem ! Do you have a smartphone and flatscreen television?" Yup both Samsung - Made in South Korea  | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
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Samsung phones are made in South Korea.
"I bet most of all the raw materials and components come from China | |||
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"Here comes xenophobia again.. There is nothing in that article mentioning it being a live food market. It's a wholesale market like the thousands that exist around the world. There are multiple outbreaks around the world and here is another one. They are testing thousands of people (much more than the UK) in the area, locking it down and reporting it to the world. Quite, the ignorance of some people is astounding. Including the media We’re suppose to be one of the most educated countries in the world sadly we’re mostly educated in consumerism and greed. The sad thing is most folk don’t even know it ! And when it comes to poverty we actually have no idea, perhaps if people were to experience true poverty and famine they might actually see the bigger picture and how we in the west are the bigger problem ! Do you have a smartphone and flatscreen television? Yup both Samsung - Made in South Korea "I like you..... all the components come from China | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
Isnt it just
Samsung phones are made in South Korea.
I bet most of all the raw materials and components come from China "Not all - some do but they also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . . | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
Isnt it just
Samsung phones are made in South Korea.
I bet most of all the raw materials and components come from China
Not all - some do but they also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . . "Who has the most rare earth minerals in the world? | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
Isnt it just
Samsung phones are made in South Korea.
I bet most of all the raw materials and components come from China
Not all - some do but they also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . .
Who has the most rare earth minerals in the world?"John Smith from Nova Scotia? | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
Isnt it just
Samsung phones are made in South Korea.
"What’s a smart phone the one I have is crap nothing smart about it I always look for labels to see where food and materials come from and buy accordingly or is that racist as well ffs | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
Isnt it just
Samsung phones are made in South Korea.
I bet most of all the raw materials and components come from China
Not all - some do but they also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . .
Who has the most rare earth minerals in the world?
John Smith from Nova Scotia?
"Close..... But China controls the market on rare earth minerals followed by the Democratic republic of the Congo..... | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
Isnt it just
Samsung phones are made in South Korea.
I bet most of all the raw materials and components come from China
Not all - some do but they also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . .
Who has the most rare earth minerals in the world?
John Smith from Nova Scotia?
Close..... But China controls the market on rare earth minerals followed by the Democratic republic of the Congo....."Interesting fact but . . . But . . . some materials in your Samsung phone come from china but also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . . | |||
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"It's always food related in China, they really need to sort out their food standards laws. I don't think we import food from China so should be ok. " Ironic then, that our government is proposing lowering our food standards in order to get a trade agreement with the USA. | |||
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"The world needs to clamp down on food hygiene standards and hit China hard And poverty? Child labour? Fgm? And a thousand other things we find abhorrent? Kids scavenging for food in India? Are those things ok because they dont affect us in our ivory towers? I'm talking about food hygiene standards. I don't get your point about other things. " My point is that its easy for us in our affluent society to point fingers Apportion blame Im vegetarian. I find EATING meat disgusting, but I also understand that alot of Chinese people arent as fortunate as me And do you really think that the UK is blameless? That our food chain is untainted by cruelty and unsavoury practices? | |||
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"The market sells vegetables and a wide range of produce. It's a different type of market to the Wuhan wet market. If you expect to be free to be a uk citizen, with your own customs, then it's reasonable to grant the same liberties for others. The country they live in has severe control over the people, compared to us. It's tyrannical leadrrs that should be under the spotlight for attention. The wet markets were subjected to some constraints and closures. The people are part of our problem, we have had impact on their lives, which has seen massive building growth measures intrude closer to wildlife. " and a wet market far far bigger than Wuhan...wuhan also did veggies and normal produce | |||
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"It's always food related in China, they really need to sort out their food standards laws. I don't think we import food from China so should be ok. Ironic then, that our government is proposing lowering our food standards in order to get a trade agreement with the USA." This is not true the mandated brief for trade negotiations with US states that the UK would not be lowering its standards. Maybe we will or maybe we wont during the talks but its certainly not what is being proposed. | |||
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"45 out of 500 tested were asymptomatic positive, it just goes to show how covid-19 bubbles easily under the radar" Heard on the radio by some doctors that they are agreeing that asymptomatic people don’t have enough virus to be that contagious | |||
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"it was south korea a few weeks back who shutdown again but no media coverage ... Germany had a spike again no media coverage " Exactly why no one trusts the fake/no real news media | |||
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"It's always food related in China, they really need to sort out their food standards laws. I don't think we import food from China so should be ok. Ironic then, that our government is proposing lowering our food standards in order to get a trade agreement with the USA. This is not true the mandated brief for trade negotiations with US states that the UK would not be lowering its standards. Maybe we will or maybe we wont during the talks but its certainly not what is being proposed. " I think you'll find that you're wrong. Still, we'll find out soon enough. | |||
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"it was south korea a few weeks back who shutdown again but no media coverage ... Germany had a spike again no media coverage Exactly why no one trusts the fake/no real news media" There is no such thing as fake media..its a figment of that balloon in Washingtons imagination | |||
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"It's always food related in China, they really need to sort out their food standards laws. I don't think we import food from China so should be ok. Ironic then, that our government is proposing lowering our food standards in order to get a trade agreement with the USA. This is not true the mandated brief for trade negotiations with US states that the UK would not be lowering its standards. Maybe we will or maybe we wont during the talks but its certainly not what is being proposed. I think you'll find that you're wrong. Still, we'll find out soon enough." Yep, the food deal is opening the UK up to pretty bad stuff: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/boris-johnson-trade-deal-us-chlorinated-chicken (Open in incognito/private browser to avoid sign-up if promoted). It'll be the NHS after that. Still, those claps will probably help. | |||
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"The world needs to clamp down on food hygiene standards and hit China hard And poverty? Child labour? Fgm? And a thousand other things we find abhorrent? Kids scavenging for food in India? Are those things ok because they dont affect us in our ivory towers? I'm talking about food hygiene standards. I don't get your point about other things. My point is that its easy for us in our affluent society to point fingers Apportion blame Im vegetarian. I find EATING meat disgusting, but I also understand that alot of Chinese people arent as fortunate as me And do you really think that the UK is blameless? That our food chain is untainted by cruelty and unsavoury practices?" No I didn't suggest that | |||
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"It's always food related in China, they really need to sort out their food standards laws. I don't think we import food from China so should be ok. Ironic then, that our government is proposing lowering our food standards in order to get a trade agreement with the USA. This is not true the mandated brief for trade negotiations with US states that the UK would not be lowering its standards. Maybe we will or maybe we wont during the talks but its certainly not what is being proposed. " Of course the UK gorvernment are well known for being completely transparent with their intentions, none more so than the Tories... Food fit for no one coming to your local stores soon | |||
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"it was south korea a few weeks back who shutdown again but no media coverage ... Germany had a spike again no media coverage Exactly why no one trusts the fake/no real news media There is no such thing as fake media..its a figment of that balloon in Washingtons imagination" If you don't see fake or bias news, please tell me what media you follow. | |||
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"It's always food related in China, they really need to sort out their food standards laws. I don't think we import food from China so should be ok. Ironic then, that our government is proposing lowering our food standards in order to get a trade agreement with the USA. This is not true the mandated brief for trade negotiations with US states that the UK would not be lowering its standards. Maybe we will or maybe we wont during the talks but its certainly not what is being proposed. I think you'll find that you're wrong. Still, we'll find out soon enough. Yep, the food deal is opening the UK up to pretty bad stuff: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/boris-johnson-trade-deal-us-chlorinated-chicken (Open in incognito/private browser to avoid sign-up if promoted). It'll be the NHS after that. Still, those claps will probably help." Yes, the NHS will be the real prize because the cost of importing food from the USA will probably make it uncompetitive. The USA insurance and pharmaceutical companies however are probably salivating at the thought of the profit potential available from the UK. Can't expect the government to stand in their way either, because they've been dying to sell of the NHS for decades. You reap what you sow. | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
Isnt it just
Samsung phones are made in South Korea.
I bet most of all the raw materials and components come from China
Not all - some do but they also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . .
Who has the most rare earth minerals in the world?
John Smith from Nova Scotia?
Close..... But China controls the market on rare earth minerals followed by the Democratic republic of the Congo.....
Interesting fact but . . .
But . . . some materials in your Samsung phone come from china but also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . .
"You are correct, other countries do manufacture electronic circuit board components Hong Kong, China and Taiwan account for nearly 50% of all components globally, so it’s fair to say most, if not all mobile phone manufacturers supply chain will rely on those countries components . Samsung Lithium batteries - made in China Samsung moving to Chinese ODM factories in a bid to reduce costs as margins are squeezed. (Last year a fifth of samsung phones were produced by Chinese ODMs with this number planned to increase) ;-) | |||
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"It's always food related in China, they really need to sort out their food standards laws. I don't think we import food from China so should be ok. Ironic then, that our government is proposing lowering our food standards in order to get a trade agreement with the USA. This is not true the mandated brief for trade negotiations with US states that the UK would not be lowering its standards. Maybe we will or maybe we wont during the talks but its certainly not what is being proposed. I think you'll find that you're wrong. Still, we'll find out soon enough. Yep, the food deal is opening the UK up to pretty bad stuff: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/boris-johnson-trade-deal-us-chlorinated-chicken (Open in incognito/private browser to avoid sign-up if promoted). It'll be the NHS after that. Still, those claps will probably help. Yes, the NHS will be the real prize because the cost of importing food from the USA will probably make it uncompetitive. The USA insurance and pharmaceutical companies however are probably salivating at the thought of the profit potential available from the UK. Can't expect the government to stand in their way either, because they've been dying to sell of the NHS for decades. You reap what you sow. "Yeah. To summarize that article: The trade deal will allow substandard/dangerous food into the UK. Our own local standards will drop to compete. The bill will also make it illegal to label these differences on packaging. We’re ‘compensating’ by adding tariffs to the imports. But these will be dropped within a decade. The trade bill is exempt from parliamentary scrutiny or voting. The deal will likely be enforced by an offshore tribunal. That means the UK can be sued. Food standards are step one in this plan, the NHS is likely next. *Starts slow clapping* | |||
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"it was south korea a few weeks back who shutdown again but no media coverage ... Germany had a spike again no media coverage Exactly why no one trusts the fake/no real news media There is no such thing as fake media..its a figment of that balloon in Washingtons imagination" No fake news? Lets see.. remember how the Sun reported the Hillsborough disaster? If you truly believe everything that BBC, CNN, the sun, Daily mail etc tell you, i have genuine concern for you. | |||
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"Absolutely. Just saying "it's a cultural thing", is no excuse for skinning live dogs and cooking live animals. They're supposed to be a civilized nation, it's high time they moved out of the dark ages and stopped spreading zoonotic viruses. Their civilization has been around before the UK was owned by Denmark.... So it’s kinda rude to tell them to change....." Erm... There is a thing called progress! | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese " We should be demanding compensation from them. | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese Most of the testing chemicals we use come from china Then we need to make our own we used to before china started making shit for the rest of the world Or find a new source for all the shit we use here That’s why we in this mess because we became reliant on the Chinese crap they peddle " We're in this mess because the Tories and New Labour felt that doing away with the bulk of our manufacturing industries and having an economy built on the service sector and fuelled by a credit bubble based on house prices was a good idea. It wasn't - and the Chinese aren't to blame. If you think boycotting everything from China is a good idea, you really don't understand economics. | |||
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"It's always food related in China, they really need to sort out their food standards laws. I don't think we import food from China so should be ok. " It is not food related it is warehouse related. The outbreak was in a warehouse an distribution area. Which of course like any urban distribution centre includes food. Use a more reputable source than sky news for contextual information | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese We should be demanding compensation from them. " My flight from Australia was diverted during the Ash cloud which was in Iceland.. Should I seek compensation from the Icelandic government, the carrier or the airport in Kuala Lumpur? | |||
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"Absolutely. Just saying "it's a cultural thing", is no excuse for skinning live dogs and cooking live animals. They're supposed to be a civilized nation, it's high time they moved out of the dark ages and stopped spreading zoonotic viruses. Their civilization has been around before the UK was owned by Denmark.... So it’s kinda rude to tell them to change..... If Egypt/Italy or any of the other very early slave trading cultures were still using slaves would it be rude to tell them to change too? Slavery is a economic system.... that would be phased out by the industrial revolution..... Telling a country what they should eat is a social standard.... Should Hindu’s in India tell the citizens of the UK not to eat beef? Because they find it socially , morally and religiously wrong.... Do you see the difference? "  | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese We should be demanding compensation from them. My flight from Australia was diverted during the Ash cloud which was in Iceland.. Should I seek compensation from the Icelandic government, the carrier or the airport in Kuala Lumpur? " Depends did you die in the plane | |||
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"The world needs to clamp down on food hygiene standards and hit China hard And poverty? Child labour? Fgm? And a thousand other things we find abhorrent? Kids scavenging for food in India? Are those things ok because they dont affect us in our ivory towers? I'm talking about food hygiene standards. I don't get your point about other things. My point is that its easy for us in our affluent society to point fingers Apportion blame Im vegetarian. I find EATING meat disgusting, but I also understand that alot of Chinese people arent as fortunate as me And do you really think that the UK is blameless? That our food chain is untainted by cruelty and unsavoury practices?" Surely it would make more sense for less affluent societies to make their standard of food safety more stringent, so they don’t have to spend even more money on the effects of food spoilage or food poisoning? Also- we may not be perfect- but even the poorest among us know to treat animals humanely. We have huge protocol for the killing of animals for food in this country. We certainly don’t throw them into boiling oil while they are still alive, we don’t cut up their bodies on the floor while we splash around in their blood in our wellies and we don’t drag live animals out of over cramped cages to hand over to customers to do with them what they will. To argue that lack of “fortune” causes cruelty is an insult to the poor. It’s not poverty- its cruel ignorance. And it’s not defensible. | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese We should be demanding compensation from them. My flight from Australia was diverted during the Ash cloud which was in Iceland.. Should I seek compensation from the Icelandic government, the carrier or the airport in Kuala Lumpur? Depends did you die in the plane " Died on stage once but that's another story.. | |||
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"This time they really should block all from from China And not just the people and food every last piece of crap they sell us to A total blockade on everything Chinese Most of the testing chemicals we use come from china Then we need to make our own we used to before china started making shit for the rest of the world Or find a new source for all the shit we use here That’s why we in this mess because we became reliant on the Chinese crap they peddle We're in this mess because the Tories and New Labour felt that doing away with the bulk of our manufacturing industries and having an economy built on the service sector and fuelled by a credit bubble based on house prices was a good idea. It wasn't - and the Chinese aren't to blame. If you think boycotting everything from China is a good idea, you really don't understand economics." That is an interesting perspective- could you expand please? | |||
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"It's always food related in China, they really need to sort out their food standards laws. I don't think we import food from China so should be ok. " We import alot of food from China, although doesn't really matter that's not how it would get here | |||
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"There's nothing bigoted about the FACT China kept all international flights going all over the world, to destroy other economys, whilst at the the same time banning all domestic flights in and out of Wuhan, China are not our friends, and that goes for the WHO as well covering for them " Hows things in the matrix today?  | |||
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"There's nothing bigoted about the FACT China kept all international flights going all over the world, to destroy other economys, whilst at the the same time banning all domestic flights in and out of Wuhan, China are not our friends, and that goes for the WHO as well covering for them Hows things in the matrix today? "Deleted earlier post due to format issue! Original post asked- do you think that China is our friend? | |||
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"Absolutely. Just saying "it's a cultural thing", is no excuse for skinning live dogs and cooking live animals. They're supposed to be a civilized nation, it's high time they moved out of the dark ages and stopped spreading zoonotic viruses. Their civilization has been around before the UK was owned by Denmark.... So it’s kinda rude to tell them to change..... If Egypt/Italy or any of the other very early slave trading cultures were still using slaves would it be rude to tell them to change too? Slavery is a economic system.... that would be phased out by the industrial revolution..... Telling a country what they should eat is a social standard.... Should Hindu’s in India tell the citizens of the UK not to eat beef? Because they find it socially , morally and religiously wrong.... Do you see the difference? " Yes we see the difference, but how can any animal lover condone these barbaric practices? They are just as inhuman as the slave trade was. | |||
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"If they carry on with the protests this way in London . . . London will be going the same way. "Reports that people in America have tested positive from attending protests so only a matter of time in the uk. That R number goes up we will be facing an even tougher lockdown. | |||
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"Lets hope it stays over there and dont escape to here. Things are slowly getting back to normal Death rates slowly decreasing" I know it is good to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so angry at the protesters incase it sets us back. I'm angry at the government for allowing them to do it. | |||
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. " Yes | |||
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. " Is their regime any better or worse than other developing empires? All nations do shit which in hindsight we look back upon and realise was not pukka.. | |||
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"Lets hope it stays over there and dont escape to here. Things are slowly getting back to normal Death rates slowly decreasing I know it is good to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so angry at the protesters incase it sets us back. I'm angry at the government for allowing them to do it." I feel the same tbh. Where the hell is the government right now?! | |||
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"Absolutely. Just saying "it's a cultural thing", is no excuse for skinning live dogs and cooking live animals. They're supposed to be a civilized nation, it's high time they moved out of the dark ages and stopped spreading zoonotic viruses. Their civilization has been around before the UK was owned by Denmark.... So it’s kinda rude to tell them to change..... If Egypt/Italy or any of the other very early slave trading cultures were still using slaves would it be rude to tell them to change too? Slavery is a economic system.... that would be phased out by the industrial revolution..... Telling a country what they should eat is a social standard.... Should Hindu’s in India tell the citizens of the UK not to eat beef? Because they find it socially , morally and religiously wrong.... Do you see the difference? Yes we see the difference, but how can any animal lover condone these barbaric practices? They are just as inhuman as the slave trade was." If the wet markets are still in operation then why can’t the W.H.O. Take actions or should we be looking at sanctions. I know this may affect a large number of the population but something has to be done. Why will people never learn from their mistakes. | |||
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"Lets hope it stays over there and dont escape to here. Things are slowly getting back to normal Death rates slowly decreasing I know it is good to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so angry at the protesters incase it sets us back. I'm angry at the government for allowing them to do it." Are you equally angry that the government did not lockdown earlier which would have saved lives.. Or even angry that the policy of emptying the hospitals of some covid elderly people and thousands of hundreds of others not tested at all cost lives..? | |||
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"Lets hope it stays over there and dont escape to here. Things are slowly getting back to normal Death rates slowly decreasing I know it is good to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so angry at the protesters incase it sets us back. I'm angry at the government for allowing them to do it." | |||
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. Is their regime any better or worse than other developing empires? All nations do shit which in hindsight we look back upon and realise was not pukka.. " Whuuuut?! If China wasn’t a country we had such strong financial dependence on, we wouldn’t even be talking to them, let alone consider turning a back on. Furthermore, developing countries have now developed. China is a massive monetary powerhouse but still remains a shithouse when it comes to human rights. | |||
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"How do you demand anything from anyone? An American woman killed a Brit on UK soil and has escaped any punishment. China is too big and influential now. There would need to be international sanctions by multiple nations. Who is going to be brave enough to stand up? One nation doing so would be cutting own nose off to spite your face. The world is harsh and unfair. " I didn’t say 1 nation should the whole western world that trade with China should sanction them not just the uk Somebody needs to grow a set of balls and use them why do we place orders for crap we can’t even use As the standards in the western world and for most things are way higher than the crap China send here You keep buying there shit I know I will not and when you take Yr last breath You can die knowing you help the fuckers screw us all over If you are a pet owner you could ship that over to them to skin and make a stew for Yr dinner to Just my opinion tho which last time I checked I was still allowed one | |||
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. Is their regime any better or worse than other developing empires? All nations do shit which in hindsight we look back upon and realise was not pukka.. Whuuuut?! If China wasn’t a country we had such strong financial dependence on, we wouldn’t even be talking to them, let alone consider turning a back on. Furthermore, developing countries have now developed. China is a massive monetary powerhouse but still remains a shithouse when it comes to human rights. " Totally agree on the latter but it's hardly alone in that respect.. Taking the first part of your post which again I agree with how different is it in relation to say us at the height of the empire or the USA post WW2.. Not a lot I would wager.. | |||
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"Lets hope it stays over there and dont escape to here. Things are slowly getting back to normal Death rates slowly decreasing I know it is good to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so angry at the protesters incase it sets us back. I'm angry at the government for allowing them to do it. Are you equally angry that the government did not lockdown earlier which would have saved lives.. Or even angry that the policy of emptying the hospitals of some covid elderly people and thousands of hundreds of others not tested at all cost lives..? " I know that the question wasn’t directed at me! But to answer - I personally do feel angry. I also feel angry that international travel was still allowed during the peak. I feel angry that British people were brought back from quarantined areas in China and let loose on the streets. I feel angry about a lot of things that have happened since then, as well. | |||
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"Lets hope it stays over there and dont escape to here. Things are slowly getting back to normal Death rates slowly decreasing I know it is good to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so angry at the protesters incase it sets us back. I'm angry at the government for allowing them to do it. Are you equally angry that the government did not lockdown earlier which would have saved lives.. Or even angry that the policy of emptying the hospitals of some covid elderly people and thousands of hundreds of others not tested at all cost lives..? I know that the question wasn’t directed at me! But to answer - I personally do feel angry. I also feel angry that international travel was still allowed during the peak. I feel angry that British people were brought back from quarantined areas in China and let loose on the streets. I feel angry about a lot of things that have happened since then, as well. " It's almost like the majority of people of all political persuasions and some none coukd see what needed doing and had to watch as it went pear shaped.. | |||
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. Is their regime any better or worse than other developing empires? All nations do shit which in hindsight we look back upon and realise was not Taking the first part of your post which again I agree with how different is it in relation to say us at the height of the empire or the USA post WW2.. Not a lot I would wager.. " but we shit on ourselves from great heights to apologise for the empire these days- and particularly these days!! I don’t know too much about USA history, so I will have to admit I can’t debate you on that particular subject  | |||
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. Is their regime any better or worse than other developing empires? All nations do shit which in hindsight we look back upon and realise was not Taking the first part of your post which again I agree with how different is it in relation to say us at the height of the empire or the USA post WW2.. Not a lot I would wager.. but we shit on ourselves from great heights to apologise for the empire these days- and particularly these days!! I don’t know too much about USA history, so I will have to admit I can’t debate you on that particular subject "I think, and I have no qualifications in the field if history is that all nations do bad shit and because of power or dependancy the rest of the world still goes with it.. China has too much influence, in Africa etc and its land grabbing in the south China seas is wrong.. And don't start me on how they are treating people in their own country, camps that stalin would have given the nod to.. But they hold a lot of cards and the west has become addicted to cheap goods so maybe we should post this and brexit start to mske such things ourselves if we are happy to pay more for it.. | |||
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"The irony of people using their smartphones to propose an embargo of anything coming from China is hilarious
Isnt it just
Samsung phones are made in South Korea.
I bet most of all the raw materials and components come from China
Not all - some do but they also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . .
Who has the most rare earth minerals in the world?
John Smith from Nova Scotia?
Close..... But China controls the market on rare earth minerals followed by the Democratic republic of the Congo.....
Interesting fact but . . .
But . . . some materials in your Samsung phone come from china but also come from Germany India Mexico Estonia USA Thailand Russia Japan Korea Singapore UK Vietnam Philipines Malaysia . . . there are more but . . .
You are correct, other countries do manufacture electronic circuit board components
Hong Kong, China and Taiwan account for nearly 50% of all components globally, so it’s fair to say most, if not all mobile phone manufacturers supply chain will rely on those countries components .
Samsung Lithium batteries - made in China
Samsung moving to Chinese ODM factories in a bid to reduce costs as margins are squeezed.
(Last year a fifth of samsung phones were produced by Chinese ODMs with this number planned to increase)
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. Is their regime any better or worse than other developing empires? All nations do shit which in hindsight we look back upon and realise was not pukka.. Whuuuut?! If China wasn’t a country we had such strong financial dependence on, we wouldn’t even be talking to them, let alone consider turning a back on. Furthermore, developing countries have now developed. China is a massive monetary powerhouse but still remains a shithouse when it comes to human rights. " Developing countries have developed
Is south Sudan developed by your definition.
The bric nations
Brazil Russia India China have moved into a middle class economy and all but China are now in a middle income trap. Their economies had stagnated due to a lack of modernization and diversification
China only escapes that definition due to how wealthy some individuals are in China.
The fast majority of the nation still live in poverty by the standard of European living.
Should China take lesson in human right from America?
With Guantanamo Bay, indiscriminate drone strikes on foreign soil and the blm movement to name a few.
He is an idea maybe all governments not matter what flag they fall under are corrupt as shit.
Power corrupts and
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"Absolutely. Just saying "it's a cultural thing", is no excuse for skinning live dogs and cooking live animals. They're supposed to be a civilized nation, it's high time they moved out of the dark ages and stopped spreading zoonotic viruses. Their civilization has been around before the UK was owned by Denmark.... So it’s kinda rude to tell them to change..... If Egypt/Italy or any of the other very early slave trading cultures were still using slaves would it be rude to tell them to change too? Slavery is a economic system.... that would be phased out by the industrial revolution..... Telling a country what they should eat is a social standard.... Should Hindu’s in India tell the citizens of the UK not to eat beef? Because they find it socially , morally and religiously wrong.... Do you see the difference? Yes we see the difference, but how can any animal lover condone these barbaric practices? They are just as inhuman as the slave trade was." Here is the problem , you are looking at China’s culture with western glasses... I’ve lived in a few countries in Asia , so I have a little more incite.... China’s greatest problem since the beginning of their history has been how to feed their people... They have had more Famines that any other nation... So eating anything for survival is in their culture... I’ve had many d*unk conversations with Chinese business men that cried , telling me about their childhood..... some had nothing to eat but sweet potatoes or rats from the fields.... It’s not like that now , but I hope that helped... | |||
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. Is their regime any better or worse than other developing empires? All nations do shit which in hindsight we look back upon and realise was not pukka.. Whuuuut?! If China wasn’t a country we had such strong financial dependence on, we wouldn’t even be talking to them, let alone consider turning a back on. Furthermore, developing countries have now developed. China is a massive monetary powerhouse but still remains a shithouse when it comes to human rights. Developing countries have developed
Is south Sudan developed by your definition.
The bric nations
Brazil Russia India China have moved into a middle class economy and all but China are now in a middle income trap. Their economies had stagnated due to a lack of modernization and diversification
China only escapes that definition due to how wealthy some individuals are in China.
The fast majority of the nation still live in poverty by the standard of European living.
Should China take lesson in human right from America?
With Guantanamo Bay, indiscriminate drone strikes on foreign soil and the blm movement to name a few.
He is an idea maybe all governments not matter what flag they fall under are corrupt as shit.
Power corrupts and
absolute power corrupts absolutely "Just for perspective...... what is the ideal government in your opinion? | |||
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. Is their regime any better or worse than other developing empires? All nations do shit which in hindsight we look back upon and realise was not pukka.. Whuuuut?! If China wasn’t a country we had such strong financial dependence on, we wouldn’t even be talking to them, let alone consider turning a back on. Furthermore, developing countries have now developed. China is a massive monetary powerhouse but still remains a shithouse when it comes to human rights. Developing countries have developed
Is south Sudan developed by your definition.
The bric nations
Brazil Russia India China have moved into a middle class economy and all but China are now in a middle income trap. Their economies had stagnated due to a lack of modernization and diversification
China only escapes that definition due to how wealthy some individuals are in China.
The fast majority of the nation still live in poverty by the standard of European living.
Should China take lesson in human right from America?
With Guantanamo Bay, indiscriminate drone strikes on foreign soil and the blm movement to name a few.
He is an idea maybe all governments not matter what flag they fall under are corrupt as shit.
Power corrupts and
absolute power corrupts absolutely
Just for perspective...... what is the ideal government in your opinion?"I'm non partisan But a cross party government makes the most sense to me. I think most democratic nations have a lack of political options. Its usually a two horse race. We need more choice that will force political compromise and better policies . Instead of 8years of red policies then 8 years of blue policies. | |||
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"I've nothing against Chinese folks, but folk really need to wake up to the CCP What they stand for and what they have done regarding the virus, the truth will come out eventually. Its all well documented what they did with their flights, and their economy was tanking fast. Is their regime any better or worse than other developing empires? All nations do shit which in hindsight we look back upon and realise was not pukka.. Whuuuut?! If China wasn’t a country we had such strong financial dependence on, we wouldn’t even be talking to them, let alone consider turning a back on. Furthermore, developing countries have now developed. China is a massive monetary powerhouse but still remains a shithouse when it comes to human rights. Developing countries have developed
Is south Sudan developed by your definition.
The bric nations
Brazil Russia India China have moved into a middle class economy and all but China are now in a middle income trap. Their economies had stagnated due to a lack of modernization and diversification
China only escapes that definition due to how wealthy some individuals are in China.
The fast majority of the nation still live in poverty by the standard of European living.
Should China take lesson in human right from America?
With Guantanamo Bay, indiscriminate drone strikes on foreign soil and the blm movement to name a few.
He is an idea maybe all governments not matter what flag they fall under are corrupt as shit.
Power corrupts and
absolute power corrupts absolutely
Just for perspective...... what is the ideal government in your opinion?
I'm non partisan
But a cross party government makes the most sense to me.
I think most democratic nations have a lack of political options. Its usually a two horse race.
We need more choice that will force political compromise and better policies .
Instead of 8years of red policies then 8 years of blue policies.
"Very true.....people have tried many times to run independently but unfortunately it just never works out..... I believe Switzerland has the best government in the world.... check out how they elect their leaders and how every citizen has to vote on any proposal before it’s pasted into law..... | |||
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"The world needs to clamp down on food hygiene standards and hit China hard And poverty? Child labour? Fgm? And a thousand other things we find abhorrent? Kids scavenging for food in India? Are those things ok because they dont affect us in our ivory towers? I'm talking about food hygiene standards. I don't get your point about other things. My point is that its easy for us in our affluent society to point fingers Apportion blame Im vegetarian. I find EATING meat disgusting, but I also understand that alot of Chinese people arent as fortunate as me And do you really think that the UK is blameless? That our food chain is untainted by cruelty and unsavoury practices? Surely it would make more sense for less affluent societies to make their standard of food safety more stringent, so they don’t have to spend even more money on the effects of food spoilage or food poisoning? Also- we may not be perfect- but even the poorest among us know to treat animals humanely. We have huge protocol for the killing of animals for food in this country. We certainly don’t throw them into boiling oil while they are still alive, we don’t cut up their bodies on the floor while we splash around in their blood in our wellies and we don’t drag live animals out of over cramped cages to hand over to customers to do with them what they will. To argue that lack of “fortune” causes cruelty is an insult to the poor. It’s not poverty- its cruel ignorance. And it’s not defensible." Are you sure we dont do those things? No expensive restaurant in the UK has ever put a live lobster into the pot? | |||
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"The world needs to clamp down on food hygiene standards and hit China hard And poverty? Child labour? Fgm? And a thousand other things we find abhorrent? Kids scavenging for food in India? Are those things ok because they dont affect us in our ivory towers? I'm talking about food hygiene standards. I don't get your point about other things. My point is that its easy for us in our affluent society to point fingers Apportion blame Im vegetarian. I find EATING meat disgusting, but I also understand that alot of Chinese people arent as fortunate as me And do you really think that the UK is blameless? That our food chain is untainted by cruelty and unsavoury practices? Surely it would make more sense for less affluent societies to make their standard of food safety more stringent, so they don’t have to spend even more money on the effects of food spoilage or food poisoning? Also- we may not be perfect- but even the poorest among us know to treat animals humanely. We have huge protocol for the killing of animals for food in this country. We certainly don’t throw them into boiling oil while they are still alive, we don’t cut up their bodies on the floor while we splash around in their blood in our wellies and we don’t drag live animals out of over cramped cages to hand over to customers to do with them what they will. To argue that lack of “fortune” causes cruelty is an insult to the poor. It’s not poverty- its cruel ignorance. And it’s not defensible. Are you sure we dont do those things? No expensive restaurant in the UK has ever put a live lobster into the pot?" Ohh touché | |||
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