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"Stats.. make the area as big as possible to.lower the average.. " Oh dear | |||
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"Stats.. make the area as big as possible to.lower the average.. Oh dear " Yes dear | |||
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"Well it's 1.1 somewhere my friend" Where? And why does it have to be 1.1 somewhere? | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure..." Not true - the official announcement is that the R number in the SW is between 0.8 and 1.1 but is most likely in the middle of that range. Best you read the whole article not just the headline. | |||
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"Not true - they are giving ranges between 0.8 and 1.1 in the SW but believe it is under 1. It is also more difficult to calculate as the numbers fall. Good try though " You're an expert epidemiologist then? | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... " Hotspots eh - dear oh dear me | |||
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"Not true - they are giving ranges between 0.8 and 1.1 in the SW but believe it is under 1. It is also more difficult to calculate as the numbers fall. Good try though You're an expert epidemiologist then?" No. An expert statistician | |||
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"Not true - they are giving ranges between 0.8 and 1.1 in the SW but believe it is under 1. It is also more difficult to calculate as the numbers fall. Good try though You're an expert epidemiologist then?" What does that mean? I have to be an expert epidemiologist to read articles? | |||
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"Not true - they are giving ranges between 0.8 and 1.1 in the SW but believe it is under 1. It is also more difficult to calculate as the numbers fall. Good try though You're an expert epidemiologist then? No. An expert statistician " At least I’m not a cyclist eh? They’re really evil aren’t they? | |||
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"You do the math. Not your strong point.. Good try tho.." The figure is between .8 and 1.. Why did you choose to ignore that fact, that it could be at either end of that estimate..? | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... Hotspots eh - dear oh dear me " THMG are planning for hotspots and local measures. The current hotspots are in the SW but they won't say where.. and the NW.. Today HMG said the virus is more stable in cooler climates and so a winter spike may return.... | |||
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"Today's figure is between 0.7 and 0.9" Nationally yes.. regionally no | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... Hotspots eh - dear oh dear me THMG are planning for hotspots and local measures. The current hotspots are in the SW but they won't say where.. and the NW.. Today HMG said the virus is more stable in cooler climates and so a winter spike may return...." And you can’t wait, can you? | |||
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"Today's figure is between 0.7 and 0.9" I think Tom gave the briefing today  | |||
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"Not true - they are giving ranges between 0.8 and 1.1 in the SW but believe it is under 1. It is also more difficult to calculate as the numbers fall. Good try though You're an expert epidemiologist then? No. An expert statistician At least I’m not a cyclist eh? They’re really evil aren’t they? " You are confusing cyclists with sharks | |||
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"Not true - they are giving ranges between 0.8 and 1.1 in the SW but believe it is under 1. It is also more difficult to calculate as the numbers fall. Good try though You're an expert epidemiologist then? No. An expert statistician At least I’m not a cyclist eh? They’re really evil aren’t they? You are confusing cyclists with sharks " Gone off cyclists have we? They’re super spreaders don’t you know? | |||
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"Today's figure is between 0.7 and 0.9 I think Tom gave the briefing today "No. But I listened to every word.. every day.. | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... Hotspots eh - dear oh dear me THMG are planning for hotspots and local measures. The current hotspots are in the SW but they won't say where.. and the NW.. Today HMG said the virus is more stable in cooler climates and so a winter spike may return.... And you can’t wait, can you? " Positively dribbling at the thought I would guess.. | |||
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"Today's figure is between 0.7 and 0.9 I think Tom gave the briefing today
No. But I listened to every word.. every day.."Wow - you’re that person. I’m so impressed | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... Hotspots eh - dear oh dear me THMG are planning for hotspots and local measures. The current hotspots are in the SW but they won't say where.. and the NW.. Today HMG said the virus is more stable in cooler climates and so a winter spike may return.... And you can’t wait, can you? Positively dribbling at the thought I would guess.. " He’ll be on here - blaming cyclists and dogs and Europeans - will be a sight to behold | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... Hotspots eh - dear oh dear me THMG are planning for hotspots and local measures. The current hotspots are in the SW but they won't say where.. and the NW.. Today HMG said the virus is more stable in cooler climates and so a winter spike may return.... And you can’t wait, can you? Positively dribbling at the thought I would guess.. " No.. worried about it though.. | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... Hotspots eh - dear oh dear me THMG are planning for hotspots and local measures. The current hotspots are in the SW but they won't say where.. and the NW.. Today HMG said the virus is more stable in cooler climates and so a winter spike may return.... And you can’t wait, can you? Positively dribbling at the thought I would guess.. He’ll be on here - blaming cyclists and dogs and Europeans - will be a sight to behold " I think sharks and snakes may get a mention too.. | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... Hotspots eh - dear oh dear me THMG are planning for hotspots and local measures. The current hotspots are in the SW but they won't say where.. and the NW.. Today HMG said the virus is more stable in cooler climates and so a winter spike may return.... And you can’t wait, can you? Positively dribbling at the thought I would guess.. No.. worried about it though.." Why? I’m sure you’d fight it off heroically like good old Boris | |||
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"Not true - they are giving ranges between 0.8 and 1.1 in the SW but believe it is under 1. It is also more difficult to calculate as the numbers fall. Good try though You're an expert epidemiologist then? No. An expert statistician " Definitely not an epidemiologist then. Get some humility comrade. | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... " I live in WSM there's no hot spot here, the hospital fucked up and had to be shut down. No virus got out, bloody media and their head lines. | |||
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"Not true - they are giving ranges between 0.8 and 1.1 in the SW but believe it is under 1. It is also more difficult to calculate as the numbers fall. Good try though You're an expert epidemiologist then? No. An expert statistician Definitely not an epidemiologist then. Get some humility comrade." Do we have to be experts? Ask Tom for his credentials | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... I live in WSM there's no hot spot here, the hospital fucked up and had to be shut down. No virus got out, bloody media and their head lines. " Oh dear me...what do you say, Tommy? | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure... Not true - the official announcement is that the R number in the SW is between 0.8 and 1.1 but is most likely in the middle of that range. Best you read the whole article not just the headline. " I think if its between 0.8 and 1.1 then it could any figure in that range so yes it can be 1.1 as easily as 0.8. Given the scenes at the beaches and idiots getting d*unk there its not the biggest shock the rate has risen | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure... Not true - the official announcement is that the R number in the SW is between 0.8 and 1.1 but is most likely in the middle of that range. Best you read the whole article not just the headline. I think if its between 0.8 and 1.1 then it could any figure in that range so yes it can be 1.1 as easily as 0.8. Given the scenes at the beaches and idiots getting d*unk there its not the biggest shock the rate has risen" Well, it couldn’t actually - it’s most likely to be 0.95. That was in the announcement. | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? " Someone from WSM has already put you right on that. You appear desperate for it to be higher - why? | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... I live in WSM there's no hot spot here, the hospital fucked up and had to be shut down. No virus got out, bloody media and their head lines. " Please explain.. Papers reporting that 40,% of the hospital staff staff had covid so they closed it. Did the hospital fuck up or did the beach idiots assist.. I don't know.. please enlighten | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? " Barrow in furness has been high for weeks now, many contributory factors etc but being on the beach is not one of them.. | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... I live in WSM there's no hot spot here, the hospital fucked up and had to be shut down. No virus got out, bloody media and their head lines. Please explain.. Papers reporting that 40,% of the hospital staff staff had covid so they closed it. Did the hospital fuck up or did the beach idiots assist.. I don't know.. please enlighten " The anguish - the R number, the R number! | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Someone from WSM has already put you right on that. You appear desperate for it to be higher - why? " Now that is a ridiculous accusation... | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Barrow in furness has been high for weeks now, many contributory factors etc but being on the beach is not one of them.. " And the bus station is less tasty than a chewit. | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure... Not true - the official announcement is that the R number in the SW is between 0.8 and 1.1 but is most likely in the middle of that range. Best you read the whole article not just the headline. I think if its between 0.8 and 1.1 then it could any figure in that range so yes it can be 1.1 as easily as 0.8. Given the scenes at the beaches and idiots getting d*unk there its not the biggest shock the rate has risen Well, it couldn’t actually - it’s most likely to be 0.95. That was in the announcement. " Why could it not be 1.1? I agree its the upper limit but its possible its at the upper limit | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Someone from WSM has already put you right on that. You appear desperate for it to be higher - why? Now that is a ridiculous accusation..." Is it? I’m not so sure | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... I live in WSM there's no hot spot here, the hospital fucked up and had to be shut down. No virus got out, bloody media and their head lines. Please explain.. Papers reporting that 40,% of the hospital staff staff had covid so they closed it. Did the hospital fuck up or did the beach idiots assist.. I don't know.. please enlighten " WSM was all over social media by people panicking three weeks ago that the virus was so bad there that they had been overwhelmed.. Transpires it only has 5 icu beds.. | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure... Not true - the official announcement is that the R number in the SW is between 0.8 and 1.1 but is most likely in the middle of that range. Best you read the whole article not just the headline. I think if its between 0.8 and 1.1 then it could any figure in that range so yes it can be 1.1 as easily as 0.8. Given the scenes at the beaches and idiots getting d*unk there its not the biggest shock the rate has risen Well, it couldn’t actually - it’s most likely to be 0.95. That was in the announcement. Why could it not be 1.1? I agree its the upper limit but its possible its at the upper limit" Ah you’ve shifted there - you said it was as likely as it being 0.8. | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Barrow in furness has been high for weeks now, many contributory factors etc but being on the beach is not one of them.. " And I never said it was in Barrow.. I don't know if it contributed in WSM but I do know that there are hotspots and HMG putting spin on it | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... I live in WSM there's no hot spot here, the hospital fucked up and had to be shut down. No virus got out, bloody media and their head lines. Please explain.. Papers reporting that 40,% of the hospital staff staff had covid so they closed it. Did the hospital fuck up or did the beach idiots assist.. I don't know.. please enlighten WSM was all over social media by people panicking three weeks ago that the virus was so bad there that they had been overwhelmed.. Transpires it only has 5 icu beds.. " Fits the narrative for some - raging that VE Day didn’t produce the second spike they predicted so they hype up any possible increase. | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Barrow in furness has been high for weeks now, many contributory factors etc but being on the beach is not one of them.. And the bus station is less tasty than a chewit. " Went there once when camping in the lakes, never again.. | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Barrow in furness has been high for weeks now, many contributory factors etc but being on the beach is not one of them.. And I never said it was in Barrow.. I don't know if it contributed in WSM but I do know that there are hotspots and HMG putting spin on it" You quoted BIF | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Barrow in furness has been high for weeks now, many contributory factors etc but being on the beach is not one of them.. And the bus station is less tasty than a chewit. Went there once when camping in the lakes, never again.. " I’ve never been | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Someone from WSM has already put you right on that. You appear desperate for it to be higher - why? Now that is a ridiculous accusation... Is it? I’m not so sure " Are you honestly saying that I want the R rate higher.. Please think before you answer | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure... Not true - the official announcement is that the R number in the SW is between 0.8 and 1.1 but is most likely in the middle of that range. Best you read the whole article not just the headline. I think if its between 0.8 and 1.1 then it could any figure in that range so yes it can be 1.1 as easily as 0.8. Given the scenes at the beaches and idiots getting d*unk there its not the biggest shock the rate has risen Well, it couldn’t actually - it’s most likely to be 0.95. That was in the announcement. Why could it not be 1.1? I agree its the upper limit but its possible its at the upper limit Ah you’ve shifted there - you said it was as likely as it being 0.8. " Not shifted at all I said either are possible So again why can't it be 1.1 | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Barrow in furness has been high for weeks now, many contributory factors etc but being on the beach is not one of them.. And the bus station is less tasty than a chewit. Went there once when camping in the lakes, never again.. I’ve never been " The nightlife was incredible.. | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Someone from WSM has already put you right on that. You appear desperate for it to be higher - why? Now that is a ridiculous accusation... Is it? I’m not so sure Are you honestly saying that I want the R rate higher.. Please think before you answer " No, to be fair, you want there to be consequences as a result of those who went to the beach. You dare not admit that those trips had little or no impact. | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Barrow in furness has been high for weeks now, many contributory factors etc but being on the beach is not one of them.. And I never said it was in Barrow.. I don't know if it contributed in WSM but I do know that there are hotspots and HMG putting spin on it" Your initial point was about beaches, the thread is the R number and then you mentioned BIF..? So what point were you making about there? | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure... Not true - the official announcement is that the R number in the SW is between 0.8 and 1.1 but is most likely in the middle of that range. Best you read the whole article not just the headline. I think if its between 0.8 and 1.1 then it could any figure in that range so yes it can be 1.1 as easily as 0.8. Given the scenes at the beaches and idiots getting d*unk there its not the biggest shock the rate has risen Well, it couldn’t actually - it’s most likely to be 0.95. That was in the announcement. Why could it not be 1.1? I agree its the upper limit but its possible its at the upper limit Ah you’ve shifted there - you said it was as likely as it being 0.8. Not shifted at all I said either are possible So again why can't it be 1.1" No, you said - and I quote - “it could just as easily be 0.8 as 1.1”. It could be 1.1 but it’s not as likely as other options. | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure... Not true - the official announcement is that the R number in the SW is between 0.8 and 1.1 but is most likely in the middle of that range. Best you read the whole article not just the headline. I think if its between 0.8 and 1.1 then it could any figure in that range so yes it can be 1.1 as easily as 0.8. Given the scenes at the beaches and idiots getting d*unk there its not the biggest shock the rate has risen Well, it couldn’t actually - it’s most likely to be 0.95. That was in the announcement. Why could it not be 1.1? I agree its the upper limit but its possible its at the upper limit Ah you’ve shifted there - you said it was as likely as it being 0.8. Not shifted at all I said either are possible So again why can't it be 1.1 No, you said - and I quote - “it could just as easily be 0.8 as 1.1”. It could be 1.1 but it’s not as likely as other options. " Exactly I said it could be any number within that range. That range includes 1.1 so it's entirely possible. | |||
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"So the R rate is the same in every part of Britain? It's higher in the South West and North West.. at the moment.. WSM and BIF are hotspots. Norfolk is a lowspot.. It'spublic information. What's hard to grasp ? Barrow in furness has been high for weeks now, many contributory factors etc but being on the beach is not one of them.. And I never said it was in Barrow.. I don't know if it contributed in WSM but I do know that there are hotspots and HMG putting spin on it Your initial point was about beaches, the thread is the R number and then you mentioned BIF..? So what point were you making about there? " Couple in Lancs.. I respect you and happy to debate.. I am no more an expert in transmission than the next man but I do know stats. .WSM and BIF have both ecperienced spikes in the R rate. I only speculate that it was beach related at WSM. It could be unrelated but reports said they shut the hospital because 40,% of staff had covid. I don't know if that's true. I don't think overcrowded beaches help. I never saw a beach when I worked in BIF. For some moron to suggest that I want the R rate higher is moronic. I want to go to pubs and restaurants and holidays But I challenge HMG spin | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... I live in WSM there's no hot spot here, the hospital fucked up and had to be shut down. No virus got out, bloody media and their head lines. Please explain.. Papers reporting that 40,% of the hospital staff staff had covid so they closed it. Did the hospital fuck up or did the beach idiots assist.. I don't know.. please enlighten " So your saying people traveled to the beach, got sick and the hospital let them walk in coughing over everyone. | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... I live in WSM there's no hot spot here, the hospital fucked up and had to be shut down. No virus got out, bloody media and their head lines. Please explain.. Papers reporting that 40,% of the hospital staff staff had covid so they closed it. Did the hospital fuck up or did the beach idiots assist.. I don't know.. please enlighten So your saying people traveled to the beach, got sick and the hospital let them walk in coughing over everyone. " I really don't know.. can you explain.. | |||
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"I can't explain it any better to you... Ivnorance is bliss.. there are hotspots like WSM... I live in WSM there's no hot spot here, the hospital fucked up and had to be shut down. No virus got out, bloody media and their head lines. " What actually happened at the hospital? | |||
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"10pm bbc news TONIGHT Government stats across the UK. R number is 0.8. Which is why nob essentials are still being allowed to open on Monday. R number of 1 would have brought that to a stop. Ring Downing street if your gonna question it. They the ones with the figures and numbers. " That's the UK average I assume | |||
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"10pm bbc news TONIGHT Government stats across the UK. R number is 0.8. Which is why nob essentials are still being allowed to open on Monday. R number of 1 would have brought that to a stop. Ring Downing street if your gonna question it. They the ones with the figures and numbers. " And there are regional differences.. | |||
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"10pm bbc news TONIGHT Government stats across the UK. R number is 0.8. Which is why nob essentials are still being allowed to open on Monday. R number of 1 would have brought that to a stop. Ring Downing street if your gonna question it. They the ones with the figures and numbers. And there are regional differences.." So ring number 10 and point it out to them then. I'm sure your valuable information that the experts have missed cos they've only been following this for 3 months will make the decisions to keep the country on lockdown so much easier. I'm absolutely positive the other 63 million other people would love 3 more months of this because you found regional variations! | |||
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"10pm bbc news TONIGHT Government stats across the UK. R number is 0.8. Which is why nob essentials are still being allowed to open on Monday. R number of 1 would have brought that to a stop. Ring Downing street if your gonna question it. They the ones with the figures and numbers. And there are regional differences.. So ring number 10 and point it out to them then. I'm sure your valuable information that the experts have missed cos they've only been following this for 3 months will make the decisions to keep the country on lockdown so much easier. I'm absolutely positive the other 63 million other people would love 3 more months of this because you found regional variations! " I never found them. Government scientists did... | |||
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"10pm bbc news TONIGHT Government stats across the UK. R number is 0.8. Which is why nob essentials are still being allowed to open on Monday. R number of 1 would have brought that to a stop. Ring Downing street if your gonna question it. They the ones with the figures and numbers. And there are regional differences.. So ring number 10 and point it out to them then. I'm sure your valuable information that the experts have missed cos they've only been following this for 3 months will make the decisions to keep the country on lockdown so much easier. I'm absolutely positive the other 63 million other people would love 3 more months of this because you found regional variations! " What is the R rate in King's Landing.. fo you know? Do you care ? | |||
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"I wouldn't trust the gov numbers. They don't even know how many people have been tested for the last 3 weeks. They've gone against all their own guidelines to open England up again. It's pretty risky. " I trust the numbers in the sense that they are the only numbers we have. The regions are huge.. the South west includes the west country, up past Bristol and across to Southhamton almost. It has the highest R rate according to Govt figures not mine. Within that area there are R rate figures above 1 | |||
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"10pm bbc news TONIGHT Government stats across the UK. R number is 0.8. Which is why nob essentials are still being allowed to open on Monday. R number of 1 would have brought that to a stop. Ring Downing street if your gonna question it. They the ones with the figures and numbers. And there are regional differences.. So ring number 10 and point it out to them then. I'm sure your valuable information that the experts have missed cos they've only been following this for 3 months will make the decisions to keep the country on lockdown so much easier. I'm absolutely positive the other 63 million other people would love 3 more months of this because you found regional variations! What is the R rate in King's Landing.. fo you know? Do you care ?" You mean the fictional place that doesn't really exist because its not real? What do your stats say? You have the figures that the government experts haven't told anyone else. So if kings landing has an above 1 "R" number maybe you need to tell them. | |||
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"Why are some people fixated with others going to the beach ? Jealousy ? It's a clear proven fact that the virus will dissapate rapidly when there is any significant air movement (wind)(beach) and will rapidly die when exposed to UV (sun) (beach) If and when the infection rate increases it's most likely going to be on crowded public transport not the fkn beach There's a lot of people that really should just lock themselves away and avoid social media, newspapers and tv and let the rest of the world use common sense and get on with their lives." Yes.. lock yourself away if this irritates you so much...  | |||
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"Let’s see if the R number goes up sharply in London after all the idiots gathering in vast numbers who were def not keeping 2 meters apart " I hope not.. I want it gone.. | |||
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"10pm bbc news TONIGHT Government stats across the UK. R number is 0.8. Which is why nob essentials are still being allowed to open on Monday. R number of 1 would have brought that to a stop. Ring Downing street if your gonna question it. They the ones with the figures and numbers. And there are regional differences.. So ring number 10 and point it out to them then. I'm sure your valuable information that the experts have missed cos they've only been following this for 3 months will make the decisions to keep the country on lockdown so much easier. I'm absolutely positive the other 63 million other people would love 3 more months of this because you found regional variations! What is the R rate in King's Landing.. fo you know? Do you care ? You mean the fictional place that doesn't really exist because its not real? What do your stats say? You have the figures that the government experts haven't told anyone else. So if kings landing has an above 1 "R" number maybe you need to tell them. " I have only Government stats.. read sky news | |||
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"Tom wrong again. I don't believe it.
I am not saying I am right.
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Can't argue with that, I'm the same "And some people like lemmings desperate to hear what they want to hear.. Follow the science Boris said.. Now science diluted if it doesn't fit... First to reopen.. car showrooms for vehicletax and estate agents for stamp duty.. They are desperate for alohol duty in pubs and petrol duty... 1 metre, 2 metre, 3 metre.. Doesn't mean it's safe it just means that there is a bed in ICU if you need it... Stay safe | |||
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"Why are some people fixated with others going to the beach ? Jealousy ? It's a clear proven fact that the virus will dissapate rapidly when there is any significant air movement (wind)(beach) and will rapidly die when exposed to UV (sun) (beach) If and when the infection rate increases it's most likely going to be on crowded public transport not the fkn beach There's a lot of people that really should just lock themselves away and avoid social media, newspapers and tv and let the rest of the world use common sense and get on with their lives. Yes.. lock yourself away if this irritates you so much...
Not me hum, I love going to the beach, meeting with friends and having fun... All in perfect accordance with the regulations "Good on you.. stay safe | |||
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"Well they will adding ordinary deaths to covid19 numbers what do you expect, they are just trying to scare you ." I didn't know this. I thought they were adding community covid deaths to hospital covid deaths.. I am no expert. I just watch the TV and read the newspapers | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure..." Given by professor on daily covid briefing as between 0.7 and 0.9 and below 1.0 in ALL areas. Not seen any official report of 1.1 anywhere. | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure... Given by professor on daily covid briefing as between 0.7 and 0.9 and below 1.0 in ALL areas. Not seen any official report of 1.1 anywhere." https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-12/what-is-the-coronavirus-r-number-in-regions-of-the-uk/ | |||
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"Regional variations my good friend.. 1.1 in areas of the southwest.. Not my figure.. Official figure.. Go figure... Given by professor on daily covid briefing as between 0.7 and 0.9 and below 1.0 in ALL areas. Not seen any official report of 1.1 anywhere." Have a look at sky news online although it was yesterday and you might have to search. My analysis that the government have acknowledged the hotspots and they give a R rate range, an R rate mean or average. If the range is up to 1.1 then it's 1.1 somewhere. By lumping this figure in with the rest of an areas figures then you will get an average of below 1 and below 1 nationally. I won't die in a ditch over it but that's my analysis. The devil is in the detail. I won't flog this one to death .. Have a great weekend. | |||
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"Does it matter ? The infections are falling The hospital admissions are falling The deaths are falling Some parts of the country are at different stages London was hit first and hardest so will be lower per 100000 population than other areas There will be outbreaks in clusters hence the traceing of contacts Ideally lockdown should be eased at different stages across the country but there are too many stupid people for that to work. I don't think R is particularly relevant anymore unless we start to see an increase of hospital admissions again which is hopefully not going to happen. I'm more concerned about the "we will be ok" attitude of brexit as there doesn't seem to be any sort of coherent plan whatsoever. The prime minister can hardly string a sentance together during briefings which worrying. The whole government seems to be answerable to Dominic Cummings and while I don't know enough about him to critisise him it's rather worrying that from what I see the people we elected don't seem to have a say in the running of the country. Maybe I'm wrong ? " Good points... Don't know much about Cummings. He seems to be the puppetmaster but is he to Boris what Alistair was to Tony. I don't know. I am a brexiteer and not worried. I love Europe, it's cities, it's people, it's languages and it's trade. I actually liked most parts of the ECHR. I welcome European people to work and live here. I also detested the European project as they called it. I didn't like the Boris bus but I detested Project Fear even more. I worry constantly but I am not worrying about a future out of the EU. | |||
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"There is a slide on BBC news. If 1000 people have covid and the R rate is 1.1 then after 60 days 25000 people will be infected. (Not deaths) R rate is very important.. keep it well below 1 and the numbers significantly drop " Yes that's why most of the world is taking the action that it is | |||
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"R rate up death rate down, that's a win win. If we can keep R rate up more catching it but fewer dying, that's how a virus burn out. " The death rate tends to lag from infection rate changes though | |||
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"R rate in Germany may be 1.79 1000 cases at slaughterhouses Worrying It's not over yet" What was that phrase you used to use all the time back in January/February ?? I’ve forgotten | |||
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"R rate in Germany may be 1.79 1000 cases at slaughterhouses Worrying It's not over yet What was that phrase you used to use all the time back in January/February ?? I’ve forgotten "Remind me. . | |||
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"R rate in Germany may be 1.79 1000 cases at slaughterhouses Worrying It's not over yet What was that phrase you used to use all the time back in January/February ?? I’ve forgotten
Remind me.
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"R rate in Germany may be 1.79 1000 cases at slaughterhouses Worrying It's not over yet What was that phrase you used to use all the time back in January/February ?? I’ve forgotten
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"Tom is happy now he does like spreading doom. " Spreading the truth you mean.. | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that anyone could contract this virus on a beach. " Please keep your reasoned sensible comments to yourself The truth has no place | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that anyone could contract this virus on a beach. " If you wash you do not touch your face too much when touching surfaces that others have (including rocks and stones and tables) and toilet paper and door handles, if nobody coughs and sneezes on you. Then sure. Impossible to catch. In reality, the issue is more the part of the day when you are not actually on the beach. It's not that you shouldn't do it. It's just that you should be aware of changing your behaviour. It's really about washing your hands far more frequently and wearing a mask in enclosed spaces. | |||
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"Tom is happy now he does like spreading doom. Spreading the truth you mean.. "Your version of the truth | |||
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"Tom is happy now he does like spreading doom. Spreading the truth you mean..
Your version of the truth "There is only one truth .. Wether you like to hear it is another matter.. | |||
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"I find it hard to believe that anyone could contract this virus on a beach. " Don't you remember what it was like in 2019 when you went to the beach and everyone was just sneezing on everyone | |||
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"Not true - they are giving ranges between 0.8 and 1.1 in the SW but believe it is under 1. It is also more difficult to calculate as the numbers fall. Good try though You're an expert epidemiologist then? No. An expert statistician " ...and his mum loves him too | |||
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Obviously, only once the rate has diminished.
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"I’m saying no further on this thread. Please let it be so "Well, you saw to that previously eh? | |||
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"Pantomime villains never die... They keep coming back for one more word eh?" You certainly do | |||
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This has legs!"Blimey - it really hasn’t. But I find it odd that I’m singled out when a number of people questioned the OP regarding his various views. Now I’m the villain and he’s presumably some kind of hero. I find it all very mildly amusing. | |||
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"I’m saying no further on this thread. This comment didn't age well!
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Blimey - it really hasn’t. But I find it odd that I’m singled out when a number of people questioned the OP regarding his various views. Now I’m the villain and he’s presumably some kind of hero. I find it all very mildly amusing. "No villainy projected on my part. The whole thread seemed to get a little tedious... | |||
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"I’m saying no further on this thread. This comment didn't age well!
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This has legs!
Blimey - it really hasn’t. But I find it odd that I’m singled out when a number of people questioned the OP regarding his various views. Now I’m the villain and he’s presumably some kind of hero. I find it all very mildly amusing.
No villainy projected on my part. The whole thread seemed to get a little tedious... "You didn’t suggest it but he did. And it’s very tedious | |||
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" From what I remember, Tom was pretty much right in what he said back at the very beginning "He was, people laughed and scorned at everything he said, there was even people who said they worked in the NHS and that we all had nothing to worry about as their bosses had told them it wasn't going to be a problem but Tom didn't waver Turned out he was correct | |||
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" From what I remember, Tom was pretty much right in what he said back at the very beginning
He was, people laughed and scorned at everything he said, there was even people who said they worked in the NHS and that we all had nothing to worry about as their bosses had told them it wasn't going to be a problem but Tom didn't waver
Turned out he was correct"Nobody did anything like that and not sure why he’s correct? | |||
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"They did. I moderated the posts so know they did." I did not do that. | |||
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"They did. I moderated the posts so know they did. I did not do that. " That wasn't what you said. I answered what you said, eg "nobody did that " | |||
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"They did. I moderated the posts so know they did. I did not do that. That wasn't what you said. I answered what you said, eg "nobody did that "" Yes and you put me right - thank you. I pointed out that I didn’t do any of those things. I ribbed him and challenged him but I didn’t seek to ridicule him. And you know what I received for that. | |||
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"The R rate does not make the virus any safer, if you are next to someone with it it is still just as likely to get you. All it means is that at the moment there are less people around with it." But the chances of being next to someone is dramatically reduced the lower the R number. At these figures, more chance of being in an accident | |||
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"The R rate does not make the virus any safer, if you are next to someone with it it is still just as likely to get you. All it means is that at the moment there are less people around with it. But the chances of being next to someone is dramatically reduced the lower the R number. At these figures, more chance of being in an accident " Spot on | |||
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"How do they calculate the rate anyway, don't they need to know who has had it but is also asymptomatic which they don't without mass testing which has not taken place? " The UK and other countries which didn't test suspected infections that people had - especially during the earlier days/weeks of this virus, have had to rely on estimations of infection levels and the R value. The high proportion of asymptomatic infections added a tougher element to the job, whilst we had limited experience. It's easier now and should be more accurate, having higher levels of testing and proportions of those who test out of the total number who are infected, as well as having higher accuracy now for predictions of untested but infected people. Younger people tend to have particularly high levels of asymptomatic infections and lower levels of severe complications, which helps to keep them off the radar. The R value is important, as it lets us see if there's a growing problem. The actual number of infected people is critical for managing it, as things are so much easier with just 2 people infected (New Zealand last week) compared with a country like Brazil, where there's much higher numbers of people infected ir The USA, which is similar but many states seeing growth again. We can each individually carry on doing our part to contain the problem, as our country relaxes more control measures. I'm uncertain that we could have local lockdowns, once much of our lifestyle is reopened. | |||
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"They did. I moderated the posts so know they did. I did not do that. That wasn't what you said. I answered what you said, eg "nobody did that " Yes and you put me right - thank you. I pointed out that I didn’t do any of those things. I ribbed him and challenged him but I didn’t seek to ridicule him. And you know what I received for that. " If you are talking about bans, not a clue, but then I doubt if you are doing that as you probably know it isn't allowed on the forum | |||
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" From what I remember, Tom was pretty much right in what he said back at the very beginning
He was, people laughed and scorned at everything he said, there was even people who said they worked in the NHS and that we all had nothing to worry about as their bosses had told them it wasn't going to be a problem but Tom didn't waver
Turned out he was correct
Nobody did anything like that and not sure why he’s correct? "Found one https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/985287 | |||
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" From what I remember, Tom was pretty much right in what he said back at the very beginning
He was, people laughed and scorned at everything he said, there was even people who said they worked in the NHS and that we all had nothing to worry about as their bosses had told them it wasn't going to be a problem but Tom didn't waver
Turned out he was correct
Nobody did anything like that and not sure why he’s correct?
Found one https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/985287" testify! | |||
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We've reduced the risk levels, now our infection numbers are lower, hence the changes underway. With good common sense used by us all, even those out drinking , we can get our lives back towards the levels of freedom that people want. | |||
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" From what I remember, Tom was pretty much right in what he said back at the very beginning
He was, people laughed and scorned at everything he said, there was even people who said they worked in the NHS and that we all had nothing to worry about as their bosses had told them it wasn't going to be a problem but Tom didn't waver
Turned out he was correct
Nobody did anything like that and not sure why he’s correct?
Found one https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/985287
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