FabSwingers.com forum: A U turn!

By *ebjonnson OP Man
over a year ago

Maldon

Schools now not going back. Wow! The pressure that heads and teachers were under to prepare for the return was immense. Wasted effort. Where was ‘the science’ that they love to refer to? Although of course, most haven’t closed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Schools now not going back. Wow! The pressure that heads and teachers were under to prepare for the return was immense. Wasted effort. Where was ‘the science’ that they love to refer to? Although of course, most haven’t closed."

I asked a similar question on here a couple of days ago. I'm not really understanding why the parents were only informed 24 hours before that they weren't going to open either.

I also not really understanding how the government think it's going to be safe in 2 weeks time either, because in our area new cases are high still.

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By *lackCherry...Woman
over a year ago

North East

What? Has that just been announced?? My year6 boy due back on Monday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its dawned on them that the 2m thing just isnt doable. Especially in primary settings

Now they have a problem on their hands. Even if they leave things 'til September, there will be added issues. Weather getting colder, people staying inside more, normal childhood illneses becoming more prevalent

Teaching unions have been saying they havent been consulted.

The governmemt have claimed they have been " working in close contact" with schools etc

Someone is telling fibs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What? Has that just been announced?? My year6 boy due back on Monday "

It's not all schools or all areas

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By *uHorny1Man
over a year ago

Cannock

I don't think the government ever thought it was realistic for schoolchildren to return, but wanted to be seen to be trying to make it happen, to appease various groups who wanted it to happen. As with so many things, they are able to say,"we tried, but other people stopped it from happening..."

Interestingly, Gavin Willismson is my local MP and by all accounts, he hasnt sent back his children who could have done gone.

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By *iger1980Man
over a year ago

cambridge

Primary: Year 6 and 1 still due back on Monday.

Secondary: all key worker and vulnerable still ok to go and up to a quarter of year 10 in at any one time.

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By *lack UhuruMan
over a year ago

Leeds

A couple of weeks back, Jacob Robb-Mees MP, a man I have absolutely no time for, stood up in the House of Commons and asked how we can expect to open schools when parliament is not sitting in full.

My son's mother and I are of the opinion that once parliament is sitting in full and has been for around two months with no outbreaks then our child can go back to school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mine won't be going back even if they were open.

Some parents are not responsible, kids from the area have been running around with no social distancing and a boy has been vomiting in bushes because his parents don't want him in the house.

Parents are always sending their children to school with colds, notovirus etc. So my trust in them is non existent.

I am happily educating them at home and juggling work from home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A couple of weeks back, Jacob Robb-Mees MP, a man I have absolutely no time for, stood up in the House of Commons and asked how we can expect to open schools when parliament is not sitting in full.

My son's mother and I are of the opinion that once parliament is sitting in full and has been for around two months with no outbreaks then our child can go back to school"

I don't blame you, I would be the same if mine were still children, however I think you may be in for a long wait

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By *lackCherry...Woman
over a year ago

North East

A couple of weeks back, Jacob Robb-Mees MP, a man I have absolutely no time for, stood up in the House of Commons and asked how we can expect to open schools when parliament is not sitting in full.

My son's mother and I are of the opinion that once parliament is sitting in full and has been for around two months with no outbreaks then our child can go back to school"

I agree with this entirely!

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By *heshire-cat74Woman
over a year ago

Stoke on Trent

So does that mean they years that have gone back are to stay at home again I haven’t managed to watch any news

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

Not all primary school children will go back this term. So when BoJo said primary kids should get a couple of weeks, face to face with teachers, that's now been discarded.

It's more a local issue really.

My youngest daughter (mid GCSE) was supposed to get 2 hours for 2 mornings a week from Monday 15th but Sefton council delayed that by at least a week today.

Our primary schools never planned to open to keystage 1 & year 6 from 1st June though, they said 15th june when Bojo made his announcement.

I actually got a call from my son's teacher (year 3 primary) end of last week, first and only call and they'll organise some work for the year group, hopefully by next Wednesday (17th) as my son finishes everything sent home in March by half term

We've been home schooling using other resources.

It'll be interesting come September as our primary school doesn't have the spare classrooms or staff to accommodate all the children

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

My daughters school asked the year 10 parents to fill in a survey about going back, the majority of parents said they wouldn't send their children so the school has said they won't be going back, all children will get at least one meeting at the school with a senior teacher.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

"Not all primary school children will go back this term. So when BoJo said primary kids should get a couple of weeks, face to face with teachers, that's now been discarded.

It's more a local issue really.

My youngest daughter (mid GCSE) was supposed to get 2 hours for 2 mornings a week from Monday 15th but Sefton council delayed that by at least a week today.

Our primary schools never planned to open to keystage 1 & year 6 from 1st June though, they said 15th june when Bojo made his announcement.

We've been home schooling using other resources.

It'll be interesting come September as our primary school doesn't have the spare classrooms or staff to accommodate all the children

I'll be surprised if they go back properly in September, nhs are rescheduling the primary school flu immunisation that happens in autumn

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

Thank god for that!!! All primary children back by the end of July??? Was utter madness all classes are full with just the 3 year groups and all staff being used. Was never going to happen

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Not all primary school children will go back this term. So when BoJo said primary kids should get a couple of weeks, face to face with teachers, that's now been discarded.

It's more a local issue really.

My youngest daughter (mid GCSE) was supposed to get 2 hours for 2 mornings a week from Monday 15th but Sefton council delayed that by at least a week today.

Our primary schools never planned to open to keystage 1 & year 6 from 1st June though, they said 15th june when Bojo made his announcement.

We've been home schooling using other resources.

It'll be interesting come September as our primary school doesn't have the spare classrooms or staff to accommodate all the children

I believe the current proposal is one week on one week off for primary schools.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Other countries appear to be able to deal with educating their children in the current situation - but not the UK.

Not surprised - short sited and disappointing.

Mind you at least the pubs are opening again - priorities, yes?

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By *lackCherry...Woman
over a year ago

North East

"Other countries appear to be able to deal with educating their children in the current situation - but not the UK.

Not surprised - short sited and disappointing.

Is that because our schools are already stretched as it is? Not enough staff and classrooms at full capacity?

Mind you at least the pubs are opening again - priorities, yes?"

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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago

Shangri-la

The rush to get schools open was never realistic & the primary aim was about getting more parents back to work. It was a rash decision made by politicians who had absolutely no idea about the practicalities involved in opening schools with social distancing in place.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The government didn't really do much joined up thinking or do much work or consultation with those who understand education and schools. About the same as the rest of their stages of this fiasco that's cost so many lives

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By *lackCherry...Woman
over a year ago

North East

"The government didn't really do much joined up thinking or do much work or consultation with those who understand education and schools. About the same as the rest of their stages of this fiasco that's cost so many lives "

This ^^^^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its dawned on them that the 2m thing just isnt doable. Especially in primary settings

Teaching unions have been saying they havent been consulted.

The governmemt have claimed they have been " working in close contact" with schools etc

Someone is telling fibs"

Boris and co have form in telling fibs.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Education, like the NHS is fragmented. There are so many different types of schools nowadays, it is a complete maze. Private schools, independent schools, academies, academies on their own, academies within trusts, free schools, catholic schools, faith schools etc... the whole thing is a right mess. Schoosl have reopened in a lot of european countries but the decision was taken at the top ( the ministery of education). Here our clowns, as always, have decided to let head teachers make the decision to reopen or not. This is pathetic. This is not for heads to make this type of decisions and take responsibility for what could go wrong. Our shocking gvt should have a national strategy and have a clear plan. But they have been as useless with reopening schools as they have been with everything else. And obviously, the Telegraph is putting the blame on unions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps some of the big wigs in all this need to go back to school as many of us could see it wasn't going to work...

Sometimes you have to wonder if there is common sense in intelligence??

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Perhaps some of the big wigs in all this need to go back to school as many of us could see it wasn't going to work...

Sometimes you have to wonder if there is common sense in intelligence?? "

I think it's easy to see that even though many of those in powerhad gold plated starts to their lives, including elite schools, they were often polishing turds. It's such a pity that the education and futures of millions aren't so highly valued by those who think that they are above those who they are superior to. This crisis has started to make many things more easily apparent, including how the brightest aren't typically at the top. Nor the hardest working and definitely not those who care the most for others and this country.

Local experts and others should have been consulted and listened to much earlier. Many of the public are right to be concerned still and not wanting to return kids to school until they understand things to be safer. Those in charge have now lost much of the trust and goodwill that we all placed in them to do the right thing and to have good judgement. Cummings was a clear turning point where trust levels fell.

The false dichotomy of jobs or health needs to be put back into the realms of egotistical banana Republic dictators. This is a country for the people who are sovereign

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Perhaps some of the big wigs in all this need to go back to school as many of us could see it wasn't going to work...

Sometimes you have to wonder if there is common sense in intelligence??

The false dichotomy of jobs or health needs to be put back into the realms of egotistical banana Republic dictators. This is a country for the people who are sovereign "

Great post.

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By *plpxp2Couple
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

Whatever the rights and wrongs of schools opening the press today highlights that it is just a no win whatever the Government does. After weeks of protest that it isn't safe to open schools, today we have most of the press leading on how children are being failed and consigned to an educational famine by not opening schools.

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By *apiomanMan
over a year ago

Shipley

"Its dawned on them that the 2m thing just isnt doable. Especially in primary settings

Teaching unions have been saying they havent been consulted.

The governmemt have claimed they have been " working in close contact" with schools etc

Someone is telling fibs"

This government has little regard for unions at all and teaching unions seem especially vilified. Which is particularly short sited as the collective knowledge of teachers can help find a solution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever the rights and wrongs of schools opening the press today highlights that it is just a no win whatever the Government does. After weeks of protest that it isn't safe to open schools, today we have most of the press leading on how children are being failed and consigned to an educational famine by not opening schools.

And many of the same people, labour, unions, school leaders, who were on TV ranting against opening schools are now back on TV asking why they are not.

Just seems to be political shenanigans from many.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m a key worker and have a year 6 and a year 8, I’ve chosen not to return either to school due to where I work and if they returned I’d be using multiple childcare facilities. So I’d prefer to keep them at home on my days off and home school and on days I’m working they go to the childminder.

If numbers continue to fall maybe I’ll reassess this but however at the minute I’m sticking by my decision not to return them to school yet

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Not all primary school children will go back this term. So when BoJo said primary kids should get a couple of weeks, face to face with teachers, that's now been discarded.

It's more a local issue really.

My youngest daughter (mid GCSE) was supposed to get 2 hours for 2 mornings a week from Monday 15th but Sefton council delayed that by at least a week today.

Our primary schools never planned to open to keystage 1 & year 6 from 1st June though, they said 15th june when Bojo made his announcement.

We've been home schooling using other resources.

It'll be interesting come September as our primary school doesn't have the spare classrooms or staff to accommodate all the children

I believe the current proposal is one week on one week off for primary schools. "

yep thats what my little uns school is doing in september reception years 123 in one week years 45&6 in the following week.they wasnt gona open fully until after the summer as the majority of parents told them that they wouldnt be sending there kids in fir a cpl of weeks before the summer holidays

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

Research has shown that children 14 and under have a 1 in 3.5 million of dying from covid 19 so it's clear that children don't need to social distance from each other at school and can return as normal. Perhaps the salad dodging members of staff are the only ones who need to keep their distance.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Does your research tell you if children can pass on the virus to their family or their teachers, or other students’ family or are you just interested in the number of children dying from Covid? What an expert you are. I hope you’ll pass on your thorough analysis to the SAGE commit

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By *rMrs_CCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

I work in a school and our Nursery, Pre school, Reception, Yr 1 and Yr 6 are back as of 2nd June. We have over 150 back on total. They are all in their bubbles, safe, happy and hearing the laughter of the kids is great. Mine has been at school on and off all lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

am i understanding this correct?

government sets out a provisional plan and says the dates are what we are aiming for but not guaranteed

public put pressure on govt because not happy with schools element of the plan

govt take the pressure on board and change plan

public slate “u turn” decision?

surely the govt listening to the pressure instead of steam rollering ahead is a good thing

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

And many of the same people, labour, unions, school leaders, who were on TV ranting against opening schools are now back on TV asking why they are not.

Just seems to be political shenanigans from many."

As long as the gvt can not explain how to fit i30 kids in a room that measures 50 square meters with a 2m distance between students, all attempts to make teachers and unions responsible for this fiasco won’t wash. If you can only have 15 students per classroom when you usually have 30, how many more teachers do you need? Where do you find them? Who pays the extra staff? How do you double the number of classrooms in a school in two weeks? It’s all good to politicise the thing and to blame teachers and unions for this. It’s even better to ask yourself the right questions and to try to answer them honestly without putting any unnecessary political spin on this.The teaching profession, the gvt and myself can’t wait to read your solutions. Thanks in advance!

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

As long as the gvt can not explain how to fit i30 kids in a room that measures 50 square meters with a 2m distance between students. "

They did. They suggested two half school days. In which only half the students occupied the space in each half of the day.

"all attempts to make teachers and unions responsible for this fiasco won’t wash. If you can only have 15 students per classroom when you usually have 30, how many more teachers do you need? Where do you find them? Who pays the extra staff? How do you double the number of classrooms in a school in two weeks? It’s all good to politicise the thing and to blame teachers and unions for this. "

Half the students in for half the day is the same as all the students in for the whole day. No increase in staffing needed.

"It’s even better to ask yourself the right questions and to try to answer them honestly without putting any unnecessary political spin on this. "

That's a judgement that presupposes that 'your' answers and your answers alone are the correct answers.

" The teaching profession, the gvt and myself can’t wait to read your solutions. Thanks in advance! "

Well that's just a 'snippy' high-handed reply. Don't you think?

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Does your research tell you if children can pass on the virus to their family or their teachers, or other students’ family or are you just interested in the number of children dying from Covid? What an expert you are. I hope you’ll pass on your thorough analysis to the SAGE commit"

No, but WHO research does. In their extensive contact tracing efforts they haven't found an instance of a child infecting an adult.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as the gvt can not explain how to fit i30 kids in a room that measures 50 square meters with a 2m distance between students.

They did. They suggested two half school days. In which only half the students occupied the space in each half of the day.

all attempts to make teachers and unions responsible for this fiasco won’t wash. If you can only have 15 students per classroom when you usually have 30, how many more teachers do you need? Where do you find them? Who pays the extra staff? How do you double the number of classrooms in a school in two weeks? It’s all good to politicise the thing and to blame teachers and unions for this.

Half the students in for half the day is the same as all the students in for the whole day. No increase in staffing needed.

It’s even better to ask yourself the right questions and to try to answer them honestly without putting any unnecessary political spin on this.

That's a judgement that presupposes that 'your' answers and your answers alone are the correct answers.

The teaching profession, the gvt and myself can’t wait to read your solutions. Thanks in advance!

Well that's just a 'snippy' high-handed reply. Don't you think?

Exactly

And as I said. Same politicians, unions, headteacher leaders who told government they can't are now on TV asking government why they can't.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

And many of the same people, labour, unions, school leaders, who were on TV ranting against opening schools are now back on TV asking why they are not.

Just seems to be political shenanigans from many."

It's the same issue though, safety in schools.

Last week, it's isn't safe to send kids to school. This week, why haven't the govt made it safe so that kids could have went back.

It might be spun as flip flopping but it's the same issue, the govt haven't a safe plan to return kids to school.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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over a year ago

Bristol

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over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

As long as the gvt can not explain how to fit i30 kids in a room that measures 50 square meters with a 2m distance between students.

They did. They suggested two half school days. In which only half the students occupied the space in each half of the day.

Half the students in for half the day is the same as all the students in for the whole day. No increase in staffing needed.

It’s even better to ask yourself the right questions and to try to answer them honestly without putting any unnecessary political spin on this.

That's a judgement that presupposes that 'your' answers and your answers alone are the correct answers.

The teaching profession, the gvt and myself can’t wait to read your solutions. Thanks in advance!

Well that's just a 'snippy' high-handed reply. Don't you think?

One of the problems that secondary English schools have compared to other European countries for example is that pupils are in different sets for different subjects. I know that in France pupils aren't in sets ( very egalitarian approach to life over there) for example a tutor group would be taught all the subjects so the kids are always with the same students regardless what they are taught. This makes is easier to reopen schools as you can alternate which tutor groups come to school on Monday, Tuesday etc... Here this is impossible so you will end up with a quarter of year 10 pupils on a Monday and a teacher ending up with a quarter of his students attending on that day. And this applies from year 7 to year 11. Logistically, it is a nightmare compared to what happens in most European countries.

That's the type of questions that nobody has mentioned in the media. There is more to this story than social distancing and the number of pupils in the same classroom hence me saying that it's even better to ask yourself the right questions.

Now, I am laughing my head off listening to the ex head of Ofsted saying that teachers should work this summer instead of going on holiday? What a plonker!

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

As long as the gvt can not explain how to fit i30 kids in a room that measures 50 square meters with a 2m distance between students.

They did. They suggested two half school days. In which only half the students occupied the space in each half of the day.

And cleaning of the classroom in between? Or the staff being exposed to 30 households?

Half the students in for half the day is the same as all the students in for the whole day. No increase in staffing needed.

See above .... extra cleaning staff no cross contaminating of so morning staff and afTrenton staff needed

It’s even better to ask yourself the right questions and to try to answer them honestly without putting any unnecessary political spin on this.

That's a judgement that presupposes that 'your' answers and your answers alone are the correct answers.

The teaching profession, the gvt and myself can’t wait to read your solutions. Thanks in advance!

Well that's just a 'snippy' high-handed reply. Don't you think?

True though

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

No, but WHO research does. In their extensive contact tracing efforts they haven't found an instance of a child infecting an adult."

Jeez kids have been At home .. I know of five adults whom have been teaching keyworker children and going nowhere else that have contracted covid. No evidence of transmission isn’t the same as evidence of no transmission

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Other countries have returned their children to the classrooms.

absolutely no doubt the unions are complicit in blocking the return of more children to schools.

I am disappointed with the government for not standing up to them.

A great number of children will sadly endure educational poverty.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Other countries have returned their children to the classrooms.

absolutely no doubt the unions are complicit in blocking the return of more children to schools.

I am disappointed with the government for not standing up to them.

False. Not all countries have reopened schools, far from it. We still have more people dying in one day in this country than in the 27 other EU countries put together so I can understand why teachers and parents are reluctant. As for unions, they are here to defend their members. Without unions, you'd probably still be working 16 hours a day, get one week off a year and there wouldn't be a minimum. It's incredible how many people have been brainwashed by the Thatcher propaganda and the Daily Mail.

A great number of children will sadly endure educational poverty.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

- Not all countries have returned their children to the classroom, but then I didn't say all of them had done so.

But those that have returned children to the classroom, there hasn't been any spike in the infection rate in either children or teachers/support staff

- Weekly death toll for the UK (ONS stats):

2016 May 27th 9739 deaths

2017 May 26th 10,040 deaths

2018 May 25th 9636 deaths

2019 May 24th 10,284 deaths

2020 May 29th 9824 deaths

Children should be back in the classrooms.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

The Government gave parents the right to choose or not to send their children back - to me that is the ultimate grace that they could have given.

For the month or so left of the school year I wouldn't have sent my kids back anyway. (don't have any BTW).

The parents did the choosing and that was the right thing to do to give the parents that choice in the end.

Issue is closed. September is the next term it should be school as normal as long as things keep in the direction things are right now.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"The Government gave parents the right to choose or not to send their children back - to me that is the ultimate grace that they could have given.

For the month or so left of the school year I wouldn't have sent my kids back anyway. (don't have any BTW).

The parents did the choosing and that was the right thing to do to give the parents that choice in the end.

Issue is closed. September is the next term it should be school as normal as long as things keep in the direction things are right now.

I am afraid I disagree you with you on this too. If schools are deemed to be safe for teachers, they are safe for everyone including children. Schools are either open and all the students attend or schools are shut. Why should teachers teach their lessons with pupils who are present and also have to teach or set work work for the kids who haven't bothered coming to school or for parent who think they should stay home. What a ridiculous idea. Schools don't function like Mc Drives...

With all due respect, I find your position on this pretty hypocritical. On one hand you're telling us that schools should reopen and that teachers should get on with it but on the other, you wouldn't have sent your children?

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

. . . and were exactly did I say that schools should be open? Or 'that teachers should get on with it'?

???

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

. . . and were exactly did I say that schools should be open? Or 'that teachers should get on with it'?

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Sincere apologies. I got you mixed up with somebody else.

However, I bet you there are parents who are whinging because teachers are cautious about schools reopening but they wouldn’t send their children to school. The same goes with parents telling us that teachers should work in August to make up for the list lessons but they would have whinged not being able to go to Devon for a week off.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

. . . and were exactly did I say that schools should be open? Or 'that teachers should get on with it'?

???

Sincere apologies. I got you mixed up with somebody else.

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

I wonder what would have happened if vast numbers of parents had refused to send their kids to school?

I suspect this wasn't enforceable with the potential number of people who would have said 'no'.

Better to back down than fight a battle that's already been decided.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"- Not all countries have returned their children to the classroom, but then I didn't say all of them had done so.

But those that have returned children to the classroom, there hasn't been any spike in the infection rate in either children or teachers/support staff

- Weekly death toll for the UK (ONS stats):

2016 May 27th 9739 deaths

2017 May 26th 10,040 deaths

2018 May 25th 9636 deaths

2019 May 24th 10,284 deaths

2020 May 29th 9824 deaths

Children should be back in the classrooms.

Welll luckily your cram them all in attitude and fuck the teachers attitude isn’t actually one that will fly thank god!! Oh and education poverty? What actually is that? Unions are there to protect teachers you know from erm maybe dying or having to take months off sick? The guidelines literally say ‘open the doors and wash your hands’ ffs.

I don’t actually like the phrase ‘catch up’ whom are they catching up with? Is it a race? Maybe just maybe we can be left to teach rather than go through all this bloody stupid hoop

Jumping maybe SATs god forbid aren’t necessary and this generation of children will learn things the classroom can’t teach them such as that education is to be valued, health isn’t to be taken for granted, grandparents are to be cherished ...... education poverty how much of an insult is that to the kids going through this.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Educational poverty:

“a process of limitation of children's right to education and deprivation of their opportunities to learn and develop the skills they will need to succeed in a rapidly changing society”

There will be many more children in this country who will sadly experience this.

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By *J swingCouple
over a year ago

North

I'm a school worker and we have reception in and year 1 now on our 2nd week 15 per classroom and all single desks seating, floor marking as well.

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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago

sutton Coldfield

“Unions are there to protect teachers you know from erm maybe dying or having to take months off sick?”

Bit over the top there. When supermarkets, shops and everything else is open, teachers are going to look a little silly if they are still bleating. Just how many under 55s have had months off sick?

Having said that, I do know a few teachers who have had months of sick. Not many died though.

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By *rjimMan
over a year ago

nr bristol

It would appear that teachers are quite happy to be on full pay, served in shops, have jobs done by trades people, order stuff online from warehouse staff and have it delivered by delivery guys, let the bin men take the rubbish... but cannot possibly go back to work due to "the risks".

Anyone know the definition of HYPOCRITES ?

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By *ebjonnson OP Man
over a year ago

Maldon

"It would appear that teachers are quite happy to be on full pay, served in shops, have jobs done by trades people, order stuff online from warehouse staff and have it delivered by delivery guys, let the bin men take the rubbish... but cannot possibly go back to work due to "the risks".

Anyone know the definition of HYPOCRITES ?"

That’s grossly unfair. My partner is a deputy head and she’s been working hard, doing all the health and safety stuff, basically babysitting the kids that attend, setting and checking online learning.

She won’t agree with me but I think the teachers union let them down by having more of a political agenda. Possibly a crap union but I’m an outsider.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Educational poverty:

“a process of limitation of children's right to educationed and deprivation of their opportunities to learn and develop the skills they will nee to succeed in a rapidly Hothouse changing society”

There will be many more children in this country who will sadly experience Vithis

Depends on how you define education? Do you mean hot housing Pupils to pass standardised tests that have no benefit to them as individuals?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

" She won’t agree with me but I think the teachers union let them down by having more of a political agenda. Possibly a crap union but I’m an outsider."

I don’t think you are alone in your assessment of the situation.

Sadly it is the children who will be most affected.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

" “Unions are there to protect teachers you know from erm maybe dying or having to take months off

Bit over the top there. When supermarkets, shops and everything else is open, teachers are going to look a little silly if they are still bleating. Just how many under 55s have had months off sick

Having said that, I do know a few teachers who have had months of sick. Not many died though."

Not really .. no one knows how big a part kids play in the transmission if asymptomatic and viral load is the same in asymptomatic Carriers then that’s an awful environment. The point is that nothing is being done to put plans in place to allow sd at schools - why hasn’t the Ed sec done this? How about placing accountability where it should be ....

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