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"I think so hopefully not. October looking scarey Why is Spain so far head of us now. And how can Australia and New Zealand be nearly virus free Government didn't listen scientists Also we live in a selfish country all me ne me Government lie and handled very badly " | |||
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"Will there be a 2nd peak? If so when? If so why?" The way all these protests are going on, a lot sooner than we think. | |||
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I don’t wanna lose anyone, especially you guys! I enjoy my online wank bank of straight boys on my hot list and enjoy reading your chats and posts haha.  | |||
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"All covid deaths suspected or confirmed require a specific form to be filled in and sent to the relivent governece team for the trust in question , if a patient is suspected of having covid at the time of death their death certificate will state covid , which then becomes and official stat. I have no ideas of we have under or over public stats , I can only go on my own knowledge of which I know and witnessed" Nhs wonderful in general but let down by management But some of the management you can't trust | |||
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"Will there be a 2nd peak? If so when? If so why? The way all these protests are going on, a lot sooner than we think." This | |||
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"When the second peak comes The same people that caused it by sitting on the beaches in the parks and having parties will be the same ones blaming the government The reason other countries are getting rid of it it’s because people listened and played by the rules it’s not hard to work out "  | |||
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"I think so hopefully not. October looking scarey Why is Spain so far head of us now. And how can Australia and New Zealand be nearly virus free Government didn't listen scientists Also we live in a selfish country all me ne me Government lie and handled very badly " New Zealand is simple, it isn't an economic/travel hub and has a small population. Aus is similar. Spain took extreme measures, where in England during lockdown people could still enjoy their gardens; in Spain even that wasn't allowed. As a nation we are incredibly impatient and always think we know best. There's still idiots saying "it's been overblown, its just a cold" ffs!!  | |||
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"When the second peak comes The same people that caused it by sitting on the beaches in the parks and having parties will be the same ones blaming the government The reason other countries are getting rid of it it’s because people listened and played by the rules it’s not hard to work out " Agreed , the proof is staring us in the face so why aren't we following their example!! | |||
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"So where is your extra 20 ccome from " Office of National Statistics state 40,000 with coronavirus on the death certificate. They also give a figure of 60,000 deaths above the 'normal' death rate. For the period March - May. I think its fsirlyvsafe to say that the only health anomaly in this period is Covid19. Not all doctors will put Covid on the death certificate. If a patient has existing health issues, then Covid will accentuate this condition and accelerate deterioration and death. Have you noticed the phrase "died WITH Covid" being used? That means Covid didnt kill them.but caused other problems that did. In addition, some people will have died because they didn't visit hospital due to worry, self isolation or existing, ongoing treatment not being available. So now you know where the extra figures come from. And remember that care home deaths, although now included in official figures, lag behind the hospital figures for 1-2 weeks. So the death toll is actually higher | |||
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"I think so hopefully not. October looking scarey Why is Spain so far head of us now. And how can Australia and New Zealand be nearly virus free Government didn't listen scientists Also we live in a selfish country all me ne me Government lie and handled very badly " I'm terrified for October. Fuck all to do with Covid | |||
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"Will there be a 2nd peak? If so when? If so why?" Yes 4am - Just before sunrise It’s the best time to maximise light for 1st, 2nd and 3rd peaks. You need to be starting Ben Nevis around 5pm the night before | |||
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"Parentsgonebad:- you are so right in what have just said, people are quick to blame government without researching the facts and listening to mainstream media, need to do own research to seek the facts not relay on mainstream media. We need also stop comparing uk to other countries uk is the uk we need to concentrate on our own to fight and get rid of the virus, it is not a game or a race, its is global pandemic, so when saying Australia is doing better than uk no deaths remember this is a Global all country's need to fight and unite to get rid, I'm not political but all saying need to do research before making any claims on anyone " Unfortunately that will not happen, many people need someone to blame and cannot look past that, the DC debacle proved that. Now its protesters not social distancing, this will keep pockets of the virus circulating ready for flu season, I shall definitely be paying for a flu jab this year. | |||
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"Ruhorny-omg How did the government handle this crisis badly when 1: it's a pandemic the no on new about, so not knowing about it. what is right or wrong ? what is good or bad ? 2:this is global virus the government are not Medical professionals so they have to be guided by the WHO that were telling them it was safe to travel and so on are you saying they should not have listened to them, Also they have been guided by medical experts of the country, are you saying they should not have listened to them I smh " All governments have basic emergency planning in place for epidemics/pandemics. That's why they run simulations like the one 4 or 5 years ago. But despite finding serious shortcomings, they chose not to act. Other countries such as New Zealand acted differently on the same advice and did much better. UK had the advantage of seeing it unfold elsewhere for several weeks, but didn't act soon enough. And "the science" that is driving the government's policy is being actively ignored when it suits. Even the guys who appear at briefings are on record as saying this is happening now This isnt being said with the benefit of hindsight- myself and the people I work with were all saying for several weeks prior to lockdown that it needed to happen and much more stringent. | |||
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"Why is there an accepted truth that everyone who dies gets covid 19 on there death certificate. It's not true Government figures are based off people who tested covid+, then subsequently passed. On the death Certificate this is written as "Covid 19" Suspected Covid 19 are not included in the government figures and are what is used by the ONS Says "suspected covid 19" on the death certificate. Who spread this lie that is now accepted as truth nationwide. Also why are we believing them. " How can you blame the Government when it is not the Government who put the cause of death on certificate that comes from the medical profession which feeds into the data that the government uses | |||
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"Scientific community got it wrong ,the government got it wrong the doctor's got it wrong and we the public suffered for their mistakes" Yes your are spot on but also we have to wait until the virus is eradicated then you have a global analysis then we can for sure make that judgement at this time we are still fighting hard to say at the moment but I agree with you | |||
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"Scientific community got it wrong ,the government got it wrong the doctor's got it wrong and we the public suffered for their mistakes" No. Public were advised to social distance at the beginning of march and what did they do, all go to the shops and panic buy toilet roll. The public have the same responsibility as everyone else for getting it wrong and we still are. | |||
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"Why is there an accepted truth that everyone who dies gets covid 19 on there death certificate. It's not true Government figures are based off people who tested covid+, then subsequently passed. On the death Certificate this is written as "Covid 19" Suspected Covid 19 are not included in the government figures and are what is used by the ONS Says "suspected covid 19" on the death certificate. Who spread this lie that is now accepted as truth nationwide. Also why are we believing them. How can you blame the Government when it is not the Government who put the cause of death on certificate that comes from the medical profession which feeds into the data that the government uses " The government are responsible for interpreting and using the data how they see fit. They could include it if they chose to. Remember how the daily briefing used to include a slide comparing the uk death rate against other countries in Europe/world? Then the UK reached the top of the death rate stats and they said it was unfair to compare with other countries, despite having done exactly that for weeks. If it makes them.look bad they won't use it. If they can look good they will. Priti Pattel actually crowed about lower crime rates- specifically burglary and street robberies- when people had been locked down for a few weeks. Burglars tend to go for empty houses and street were deserted! | |||
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"Health workers have ppe They didn't lie they just mistake the amount of time it would take to generate the required software. Health workers are tested when symptomic it's a waste of time testing for the sake of testing Care homes get the same access to ppe as the NHS staff unless privately where they source their own It wasn't a world wide pandemic when football fans came from Spain The government isn't responsible for the actions dominic Cummings - who may I add is one man , millions have broken lockdown so stop making him skape goat. ... All a matter of opinion " | |||
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"Jb2020mgf you mentioned Cummings drove to parents house to seek help incase situation gets worse which. I assume if you were in his position and had to make the decision you would have done the same, He did not break any rules and you calling for him to be Sack Well ok Sack him what about the 4 Labour MP's going to parties, Attending funeral over 100 people list goes on but no don't hear about these people getting called to be sacked get your facts before you blame don't get caught up in what media wants you to hear do your own research elsewhere lol we might as well sack everyone haha "If I was in Cummings position I would have stayed at home. I would not have assumed that my symptoms would get too bad that I wouldn't be able to care for a my small child. If my wife and I were both too sick to look after a small child then I would have got some help from my local network or social services. I would not have spent 4-5 hours in a confined space with my child and almost certainly passed on the infection. Catherine Calderwood and Neil Ferguson both held positions of responsibility in relation to covid-19. They resigned from their positions because they undermined confidence in the public health message. To continue in their roles was not an option. Should everyone caught breaking the rules resign from their jobs? Where is the line? we were told by the government he controls to stay at home. What makes you think that Cummings didn't break the rules? Because he had a childcare crisis? | |||
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"Why is there an accepted truth that everyone who dies gets covid 19 on there death certificate. It's not true Government figures are based off people who tested covid+, then subsequently passed. On the death Certificate this is written as "Covid 19" Suspected Covid 19 are not included in the government figures and are what is used by the ONS Says "suspected covid 19" on the death certificate. Who spread this lie that is now accepted as truth nationwide. Also why are we believing them. " It is true tho and it does happen, it is to manipulate the statistics, if there are a true autopsy on them I can bet that the real figures are alot lower than it is now as well. | |||
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"Why is there an accepted truth that everyone who dies gets covid 19 on there death certificate. It's not true Government figures are based off people who tested covid+, then subsequently passed. On the death Certificate this is written as "Covid 19" Suspected Covid 19 are not included in the government figures and are what is used by the ONS Says "suspected covid 19" on the death certificate. Who spread this lie that is now accepted as truth nationwide. Also why are we believing them. It is true tho and it does happen, it is to manipulate the statistics, if there are a true autopsy on them I can bet that the real figures are alot lower than it is now as well." If the real figures are a lot lower then can you please explain why during the covid-19 pandemic the excess death figures are running at 60,000. | |||
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"Some studies / theory's that are peer reviewed suggest that this is the second peak and the first was missed / classed as a bad pnumonia " Given that the peak is defined by death rates, hospital admissions and ITU admissions I'm not convinced there are peer reviewed studies stating this is the second peak  | |||
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"Why is there an accepted truth that everyone who dies gets covid 19 on there death certificate. It's not true Government figures are based off people who tested covid+, then subsequently passed. On the death Certificate this is written as "Covid 19" Suspected Covid 19 are not included in the government figures and are what is used by the ONS Says "suspected covid 19" on the death certificate. Who spread this lie that is now accepted as truth nationwide. Also why are we believing them. " I hate to blow you theory apart but the word 'suspected' is not allowed to appear on a death certificate. It's a long standing GRO guideline and the Coronavirus bill didn't change that. | |||
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"Scientific community got it wrong ,the government got it wrong the doctor's got it wrong and we the public suffered for their mistakes No. Public were advised to social distance at the beginning of march and what did they do, all go to the shops and panic buy toilet roll. The public have the same responsibility as everyone else for getting it wrong and we still are." the government mantra was Stay Home back in March, it still is Stay Home, but guess what....People are not Staying Home but it won’t be their fault if a friend or relative becomes ill with the virus or that numbers are still high, it will be the governments because they didn’t act sooner, not theirs for not doing as advised the past 11 weeks, surely it’s everyones responsibility to try and not spread the virus not just one mans | |||
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"No point blaming the government. Those not adhering to reccomendations with regard to the restrictions, isolation, social distancing and cross infection control hygiene are the significant culprits of spread. Just look at the massive lack of consideration and social responsibility going on, even on here looking sex meets. I would be surprised if a peak higher than the previous one doesn't occur and in not the too distant future. " So it's the british people who are stupid compared to those in other countries. Well, that explains Brexit... As for a 2nd peak as high as the last one I disagree. Covid-19 passed through the country unnoticed earlier than originally thought. Now we have social distancing in place, people working from home long term etc. If this is relaxed and numbers creep back up (this will be tracked for many years) then restrictions will be put in place to prevent it getting out of control. | |||
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"No point blaming the government. Those not adhering to reccomendations with regard to the restrictions, isolation, social distancing and cross infection control hygiene are the significant culprits of spread. Just look at the massive lack of consideration and social responsibility going on, even on here looking sex meets. I would be surprised if a peak higher than the previous one doesn't occur and in not the too distant future. " Absolutely every reason to blame the shower of shit which is Boris & co. Weak leadership Inconsistent guidelines Indecisive and late decision making Cummings And more.... Yes, the "Great" British public have a lot to answer for in the selfish way they've conducted themselves but there is no way the Government should be let off the hook on this one. They're an embarrassment and only the most blinkered Tories would defend them. | |||
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"Scientific community got it wrong ,the government got it wrong the doctor's got it wrong and we the public suffered for their mistakes No. Public were advised to social distance at the beginning of march and what did they do, all go to the shops and panic buy toilet roll. The public have the same responsibility as everyone else for getting it wrong and we still are. the government mantra was Stay Home back in March, it still is Stay Home, but guess what....People are not Staying Home but it won’t be their fault if a friend or relative becomes ill with the virus or that numbers are still high, it will be the governments because they didn’t act sooner, not theirs for not doing as advised the past 11 weeks, surely it’s everyones responsibility to try and not spread the virus not just one mans "Yes, of course we all have responsibility but the messages coming from our government have been poor. You have highlighted one. Stay at Home...Oh that got dropped to Stay Safe. What does that mean? Do I have to stay at home or can I go out but carry a condom with me!? Why are we one of the few nations that aren't able to follow the advice? | |||
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"Scientific community got it wrong ,the government got it wrong the doctor's got it wrong and we the public suffered for their mistakes No. Public were advised to social distance at the beginning of march and what did they do, all go to the shops and panic buy toilet roll. The public have the same responsibility as everyone else for getting it wrong and we still are. the government mantra was Stay Home back in March, it still is Stay Home, but guess what....People are not Staying Home but it won’t be their fault if a friend or relative becomes ill with the virus or that numbers are still high, it will be the governments because they didn’t act sooner, not theirs for not doing as advised the past 11 weeks, surely it’s everyones responsibility to try and not spread the virus not just one mans
Yes, of course we all have responsibility but the messages coming from our government have been poor. You have highlighted one. Stay at Home...Oh that got dropped to Stay Safe. What does that mean? Do I have to stay at home or can I go out but carry a condom with me!?
Why are we one of the few nations that aren't able to follow the advice?"They have always said Stay Home where possible, the government website still says it, only some people thought once they relaxed the lockdown they could go about normal business, no, it still says Stay Home so we should still stay home as much as possible to stop the spread, people surely know this, if you honestly feel carrying a condom makes you safe whilst out and about than at staying home does, gosh help us lol | |||
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"Will there be a 2nd peak? " No. | |||
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"Scientific community got it wrong ,the government got it wrong the doctor's got it wrong and we the public suffered for their mistakes" So, by that logic; we the public, are suffering because the scientists, government and doctors made the mistake of doing all they could to keep you alive? You might be right. | |||
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"I agree selfish people not distancing But Cummins encouraged this behaviour and Boris no balls to sack him Hope I'm wrong but I think going to get alot worse" People need to shut up about DC. If he jumped off a cliff would they follow? | |||
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"When the second peak comes The same people that caused it by sitting on the beaches in the parks and having parties will be the same ones blaming the government The reason other countries are getting rid of it it’s because people listened and played by the rules it’s not hard to work out " | |||
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"Scientific community got it wrong ,the government got it wrong the doctor's got it wrong and we the public suffered for their mistakes No. Public were advised to social distance at the beginning of march and what did they do, all go to the shops and panic buy toilet roll. The public have the same responsibility as everyone else for getting it wrong and we still are. the government mantra was Stay Home back in March, it still is Stay Home, but guess what....People are not Staying Home but it won’t be their fault if a friend or relative becomes ill with the virus or that numbers are still high, it will be the governments because they didn’t act sooner, not theirs for not doing as advised the past 11 weeks, surely it’s everyones responsibility to try and not spread the virus not just one mans
Yes, of course we all have responsibility but the messages coming from our government have been poor. You have highlighted one. Stay at Home...Oh that got dropped to Stay Safe. What does that mean? Do I have to stay at home or can I go out but carry a condom with me!?
Why are we one of the few nations that aren't able to follow the advice?
They have always said Stay Home where possible, the government website still says it, only some people thought once they relaxed the lockdown they could go about normal business, no, it still says Stay Home so we should still stay home as much as possible to stop the spread, people surely know this, if you honestly feel carrying a condom makes you safe whilst out and about than at staying home does, gosh help us lol
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"Scientific community got it wrong ,the government got it wrong the doctor's got it wrong and we the public suffered for their mistakes No. Public were advised to social distance at the beginning of march and what did they do, all go to the shops and panic buy toilet roll. The public have the same responsibility as everyone else for getting it wrong and we still are. the government mantra was Stay Home back in March, it still is Stay Home, but guess what....People are not Staying Home but it won’t be their fault if a friend or relative becomes ill with the virus or that numbers are still high, it will be the governments because they didn’t act sooner, not theirs for not doing as advised the past 11 weeks, surely it’s everyones responsibility to try and not spread the virus not just one mans " | |||
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"NHS are preparing for October/November, I heard through work...I'm sure that's a moving target though depending on how the next 4-6 weeks go." I heard this from a London NHS consultant. The virus has mutated 10 times already, is incredibly successful and highly unpredictable. The scientists don’t think it will mutate to a less successful form so a 2nd wave likely to coincide with flu season starting in Oct. It’s something that is likely to become endemic even if vaccines found as antibodies don’t last apparently. | |||
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"When the second peak comes The same people that caused it by sitting on the beaches in the parks and having parties will be the same ones blaming the government The reason other countries are getting rid of it it’s because people listened and played by the rules it’s not hard to work out "Maybe if the government imposed real fines? But then, why would they? They wanted it to spread...from a quick Google I found this... Spain ------ The fines for breaking the lockdown range from €601 up to €10,400 and can be applied using the controversial Citizen’s Security Law or Gag Law as it has been dubbed. Germany ------- Germans risk being fined up to 500 euros ($540) for standing too close to each other from Friday as officials crack down on people flouting rules brought in to control coronavirus Italy ----- Those who violate the containment measures could receive a fine of between €400 (£360) and €3,000 (£2,700). France ------ Coronavirus lockdown fines in France can range from 35 to 3,700 euros and a six-month prison sentence for repeated breaches. £25 million’s worth of fines have already been imposed by officials UK -- The government has passed new emergency legislation through the Coronavirus bill, allowing the police to enforce these new rules. They have been given the powers to disperse gatherings and impose fines of £60 on anyone who refuses to comply. This will be reduced to £30 if paid within two weeks. Larger fines of between £120 and £1,000 can be imposed for repeat offences. | |||
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"When the second peak comes The same people that caused it by sitting on the beaches in the parks and having parties will be the same ones blaming the government The reason other countries are getting rid of it it’s because people listened and played by the rules it’s not hard to work out
Maybe if the government imposed real fines? But then, why would they? They wanted it to spread...from a quick Google I found this...
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Those who violate the containment measures could receive a fine of between €400 (£360) and €3,000 (£2,700).
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Coronavirus lockdown fines in France can range from 35 to 3,700 euros and a six-month prison sentence for repeated breaches. £25 million’s worth of fines have already been imposed by officials
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"Quite easy for a 30 to 40-year-old with no health problems to say it’s It’s all bullshit ask the 50 60 70 year-olds with health problems what They think !!" The 70 year olds might not like seeing the grandchildrens futures destroyed | |||
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"There won't be any so called second wave, its fearmongering propaganda to keep control of folks behaviour, the community R rate is around 0.3 and it is already mutating and weakening, there is plenty of evidence of this if you gig beyond the lame stream media " Do you have a source for the 0.3 r rate at all? Are you saying that is in the UK or globally? | |||
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"Why is there an accepted truth that everyone who dies gets covid 19 on there death certificate. It's not true Government figures are based off people who tested covid+, then subsequently passed. On the death Certificate this is written as "Covid 19" Suspected Covid 19 are not included in the government figures and are what is used by the ONS Says "suspected covid 19" on the death certificate. Who spread this lie that is now accepted as truth nationwide. Also why are we believing them. It is true tho and it does happen, it is to manipulate the statistics, if there are a true autopsy on them I can bet that the real figures are alot lower than it is now as well. If the real figures are a lot lower then can you please explain why during the covid-19 pandemic the excess death figures are running at 60,000. " I wouldnt call it a pandemic and I reckon that those numbers are also manipulatad with, not all cases are from covid. I wonder why everyone think it is that? | |||
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"Why is there an accepted truth that everyone who dies gets covid 19 on there death certificate. It's not true Government figures are based off people who tested covid+, then subsequently passed. On the death Certificate this is written as "Covid 19" Suspected Covid 19 are not included in the government figures and are what is used by the ONS Says "suspected covid 19" on the death certificate. Who spread this lie that is now accepted as truth nationwide. Also why are we believing them. It is true tho and it does happen, it is to manipulate the statistics, if there are a true autopsy on them I can bet that the real figures are alot lower than it is now as well. If the real figures are a lot lower then can you please explain why during the covid-19 pandemic the excess death figures are running at 60,000. " Not all excess deaths are Covid Many are scared to death (literally) of going near a gp or hospital due to ridiculous scaremongering by people who proclaim to be experts .... | |||
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"People are saying we should have followed Europe, ok no one leave the house without a pass. No walking or exercising, police arresting anyone seen outside. Old people left to fend for themselves. My god social media in the UK would be all over boris,we are not European and don't like rules. That's our strength or weakness depending how you look at it. " Imagine the outrage if full lockdown like that had been imposed! | |||
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"Why is there an accepted truth that everyone who dies gets covid 19 on there death certificate. It's not true Government figures are based off people who tested covid+, then subsequently passed. On the death Certificate this is written as "Covid 19" Suspected Covid 19 are not included in the government figures and are what is used by the ONS Says "suspected covid 19" on the death certificate. Who spread this lie that is now accepted as truth nationwide. Also why are we believing them. It is true tho and it does happen, it is to manipulate the statistics, if there are a true autopsy on them I can bet that the real figures are alot lower than it is now as well. If the real figures are a lot lower then can you please explain why during the covid-19 pandemic the excess death figures are running at 60,000. Not all excess deaths are Covid Many are scared to death (literally) of going near a gp or hospital due to ridiculous scaremongering by people who proclaim to be experts ...." I didn't say there were. You've explained what's likely to be a small minority... | |||
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"I think so hopefully not. October looking scarey Why is Spain so far head of us now. And how can Australia and New Zealand be nearly virus free Government didn't listen scientists Also we live in a selfish country all me ne me Government lie and handled very badly " Spain, like Italy, I sincerely doubt the honesty of their numbers. Australia and New Zealand acted early and decisively. And have made the most of their island status, unlike us, who just kept the doors wide open. Jacinda Ardern is a brilliant leader. Wish she was here. Course, she is fucking gorgeous too  | |||
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"People are saying we should have followed Europe, ok no one leave the house without a pass. No walking or exercising, police arresting anyone seen outside. Old people left to fend for themselves. My god social media in the UK would be all over boris,we are not European and don't like rules. That's our strength or weakness depending how you look at it. " Except the rules you suggest really weren't the rules across the EU... The rules in the EU ranged from no exercise in Spain to no lockdown in Sweden. Exercise was permitted in Italy and Germany and likely most other countries. Spain was an exception. As for "we don't like rules". That's utter bullshit. The vast majority of the UK stuck to the rules for weeks on end. It's not a strength. It's arrogant stupidity! | |||
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"But to address the question, without a vaccine, a cure or realistic treatment, a second peak is inevitable if we lift lockdown. There's nothing else to stop it." Washing hands more frequently (and properly!), Social distancing, face coverings, people working from home where possible, common sense, testing, tracking etc That's what's there to hopefully stop it... | |||
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"But to address the question, without a vaccine, a cure or realistic treatment, a second peak is inevitable if we lift lockdown. There's nothing else to stop it. Washing hands more frequently (and properly!), Social distancing, face coverings, people working from home where possible, common sense, testing, tracking etc That's what's there to hopefully stop it... " Most of those are ancillary aspects of the lockdown. And test track and trace remains pie in the sky for now. And lets be honest, even with these measures in place people are getting infected in thousands and dying in hundreds every day. Full lockdown, with associated precautions for those who could not avoid going out, was barely holding this. Any relaxation MUST have an adverse impact. | |||
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"Jb2020mgf you mentioned Cummings drove to parents house to seek help incase situation gets worse which. I assume if you were in his position and had to make the decision you would have done the same, He did not break any rules and you calling for him to be Sack Well ok Sack him what about the 4 Labour MP's going to parties, Attending funeral over 100 people list goes on but no don't hear about these people getting called to be sacked get your facts before you blame don't get caught up in what media wants you to hear do your own research elsewhere lol we might as well sack everyone haha
If I was in Cummings position I would have stayed at home. I would not have assumed that my symptoms would get too bad that I wouldn't be able to care for a my small child. If my wife and I were both too sick to look after a small child then I would have got some help from my local network or social services.
I would not have spent 4-5 hours in a confined space with my child and almost certainly passed on the infection.
Catherine Calderwood and Neil Ferguson both held positions of responsibility in relation to covid-19. They resigned from their positions because they undermined confidence in the public health message. To continue in their roles was not an option.
Should everyone caught breaking the rules resign from their jobs? Where is the line?
we were told by the government he controls to stay at home. What makes you think that Cummings didn't break the rules? Because he had a childcare crisis?
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"I think so hopefully not. October looking scarey Why is Spain so far head of us now. And how can Australia and New Zealand be nearly virus free Government didn't listen scientists Also we live in a selfish country all me ne me Government lie and handled very badly " Your neighbours Isle of Man are currently also virus free. No chance of them opening their borders until UK get their act together. | |||
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"Scientific community got it wrong ,the government got it wrong the doctor's got it wrong and we the public suffered for their mistakes No. Public were advised to social distance at the beginning of march and what did they do, all go to the shops and panic buy toilet roll. The public have the same responsibility as everyone else for getting it wrong and we still are. the government mantra was Stay Home back in March, it still is Stay Home, but guess what....People are not Staying Home but it won’t be their fault if a friend or relative becomes ill with the virus or that numbers are still high, it will be the governments because they didn’t act sooner, not theirs for not doing as advised the past 11 weeks, surely it’s everyones responsibility to try and not spread the virus not just one mans
Yes, of course we all have responsibility but the messages coming from our government have been poor. You have highlighted one. Stay at Home...Oh that got dropped to Stay Safe. What does that mean? Do I have to stay at home or can I go out but carry a condom with me!?
Why are we one of the few nations that aren't able to follow the advice?
They have always said Stay Home where possible, the government website still says it, only some people thought once they relaxed the lockdown they could go about normal business, no, it still says Stay Home so we should still stay home as much as possible to stop the spread, people surely know this, if you honestly feel carrying a condom makes you safe whilst out and about than at staying home does, gosh help us lol
You had to mention the condom...I give up."And your point is? I was pointing out how ridiculous your condom comment was, so don’t know why you give up lol. My first response to your post was going to say that I won’t rise to your ridiculous condom comment other than saying a lot of single guys don’t think it’s their responsibility to carry a condom anyway so bang goes their protection it’s always somebody else’s responsibility which kind of covers the why are we one of the few nations not to follow advice, maybe it’s the thinking of its not my responsibility somebody else can do it that seems to be a lot of people’s thinking when you read and see what goes on in this country, how we got to that who knows. | |||
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"3-4 weeks after these mass gatherings this weekend." Could well see a rise after the London riots today. | |||
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"3-4 weeks after these mass gatherings this weekend. Could well see a rise after the London riots today. " Good litmus test, if there's no spike it's fairly obvious we're in the clear. Lab rats on a huge scale. | |||
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"Will there be a 2nd peak? If so when? If so why?" July 3rd, about 2.45 in the afternoon. I believe it'll be 3pm in the North-East. | |||
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"From the way people are not abiding by the rules going out in protest in big crowds meeting with friends having parties etc it’s inevitable i feel and it will be in two to 3 weeks from how the last peaks apparently started " They are not protesting in London they are rioting now what are the retards thinking. | |||
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"From the way people are not abiding by the rules going out in protest in big crowds meeting with friends having parties etc it’s inevitable i feel and it will be in two to 3 weeks from how the last peaks apparently started They are not protesting in London they are rioting now what are the retards thinking. " Holy fucking wow! Well, if you genuinely want to know what they are thinking, listen. And perhaps be a little more nuanced and recognise a distinction between protestors and rioters. And "retards"? Really?! | |||
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"From the way people are not abiding by the rules going out in protest in big crowds meeting with friends having parties etc it’s inevitable i feel and it will be in two to 3 weeks from how the last peaks apparently started They are not protesting in London they are rioting now what are the retards thinking. Holy fucking wow! Well, if you genuinely want to know what they are thinking, listen. And perhaps be a little more nuanced and recognise a distinction between protestors and rioters. And "retards"? Really?!" Massive difference between protesting and rioting. The rioters are retards | |||
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"From the way people are not abiding by the rules going out in protest in big crowds meeting with friends having parties etc it’s inevitable i feel and it will be in two to 3 weeks from how the last peaks apparently started They are not protesting in London they are rioting now what are the retards thinking. Holy fucking wow! Well, if you genuinely want to know what they are thinking, listen. And perhaps be a little more nuanced and recognise a distinction between protestors and rioters. And "retards"? Really?! Massive difference between protesting and rioting. The rioters are retards " To me I don’t believe in riots and violence in any form we a civilised society of humans and it’s always the minority who go that step to far and make things dangerous for the people who are trying to make a point without resorting to destroying innocent lives and property all for there own gain I don’t condone what has happened one little bit and do believe that justice needs to be served by the people who are in that position to serve it And as they say two wrongs don’t make a right along with treat others how you’d wish to be treated yourself | |||
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"Massive difference between protesting and rioting. The rioters are retards " Stop using that fucking word! | |||
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"Massive difference between protesting and rioting. The rioters are retards Stop using that fucking word! " Who put you in charge | |||
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"3-4 weeks after these mass gatherings this weekend. Could well see a rise after the London riots today. Good litmus test, if there's no spike it's fairly obvious we're in the clear. Lab rats on a huge scale. " It's now 4 weeks after the early May bank holiday when people were crowding beaches......... | |||
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"Will there be a 2nd peak? If so when? If so why?" Look at the beaches full of people, then look at the demonstrations. Doesn't look like a lot of social distancing going on there, you only need one person to share the virus with everyone. | |||
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"3-4 weeks after these mass gatherings this weekend. Could well see a rise after the London riots today. Good litmus test, if there's no spike it's fairly obvious we're in the clear. Lab rats on a huge scale. It's now 4 weeks after the early May bank holiday when people were crowding beaches........." I reckon the twats on the beaches were shouting less than the twats on the city streets. | |||
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"But to address the question, without a vaccine, a cure or realistic treatment, a second peak is inevitable if we lift lockdown. There's nothing else to stop it. Washing hands more frequently (and properly!), Social distancing, face coverings, people working from home where possible, common sense, testing, tracking etc That's what's there to hopefully stop it... Most of those are ancillary aspects of the lockdown. And test track and trace remains pie in the sky for now. And lets be honest, even with these measures in place people are getting infected in thousands and dying in hundreds every day. Full lockdown, with associated precautions for those who could not avoid going out, was barely holding this. Any relaxation MUST have an adverse impact." Face coverings aren't mandatory. The odd person wearing them in supermarkets here and there isn't going to make a difference. The rates are coming down despite those ignoring the rules. Force them into wearing masks in public then they will have at least one rule they must follow. | |||
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"Will there be a 2nd peak? If so when? If so why? Look at the beaches full of people, then look at the demonstrations. Doesn't look like a lot of social distancing going on there, you only need one person to share the virus with everyone." Your just wrong | |||
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"As I work in health care product manufacturing, I look forward to second peak to boom my income..." Wow what a disgusting thing to say. | |||
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"2nd wave will hit after all these idiots protesting/rioting " Yes. Watch this space in 2 weeks time | |||
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"As I work in health care product manufacturing, I look forward to second peak to boom my income..." You want people to get sick ? | |||
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"Will there be a 2nd peak? If so when? If so why?" January 2021 I'm guessing after Christmas and new year festivities, immune system will be low because of all the self abuse and cockdown 2 will be in place   | |||
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"2nd wave will hit after all these idiots protesting/rioting " They said that after people going to the parks. Then they said that after people going to the beach's. Hows it going so far. | |||
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"About 2 - 3 weeks when all those so called protestors realise that when on a march in the middle of a Pandemic ignoring the 2m guide wasn't such a good idea." Tedious and boring | |||
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"Some studies / theory's that are peer reviewed suggest that this is the second peak and the first was missed / classed as a bad pnumonia " Yes I reckon that's the truth | |||
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"july 4th...............independence day "Healthcare planning is for another wave in 4-6 wks. I doubt they took protests into account either. | |||
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"According to some friends in the medical profession we're about a week away from the start of the second peak. " | |||
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"2nd wave will hit after all these idiots protesting/rioting They said that after people going to the parks. Then they said that after people going to the beach's. Hows it going so far." and after ve day x | |||
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"Has any one got any concrete evidence that a 2nd wave is coming apart from the usual bs "friends in medical profession". No evidence from other countries and they haven't been perfect at social distancing after lockdown restrictions eased either." I do have friends in the medical profession and I was careful to say "according to" rather than "evidence presented by" | |||
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"2nd wave will hit after all these idiots protesting/rioting They said that after people going to the parks. Then they said that after people going to the beach's. Hows it going so far. and after ve day x " Oh yeah. We’ll fight it in the parks, we’ll fight it on the beaches. | |||
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"Some studies / theory's that are peer reviewed suggest that this is the second peak and the first was missed / classed as a bad pnumonia " YOU know what Id go with this. Back in Nov / Dec there was a real bad cold / flu going around. | |||
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"Some studies / theory's that are peer reviewed suggest that this is the second peak and the first was missed / classed as a bad pnumonia YOU know what Id go with this. Back in Nov / Dec there was a real bad cold / flu going around. " Nearly everyone I knew had it to varying degrees. Everyone in my office was off for at least a few days with it. | |||
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"Some studies / theory's that are peer reviewed suggest that this is the second peak and the first was missed / classed as a bad pnumonia YOU know what Id go with this. Back in Nov / Dec there was a real bad cold / flu going around. " this is actually looking more and more likely. Italy had an increased issue with pneumonia at the end if 2019 beginning of 2020. France are researching this now too x | |||
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"Corrupt World Health Organization Does a 180 - Now Says Asymptomatic Spread of Coronavirus is "Very Rare" We're being taken for fools. " Did you read the article? They are now saying this based on new data from contact tracing. This was not available before. I would have thought an assumption that asymptomatic people could have passed on the virus was fairly logical. | |||
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"july 4th...............independence day
Healthcare planning is for another wave in 4-6 wks.
I doubt they took protests into account either. "Of course they are planning. They would look a bit stupid after what has just happened if they didn't plan for a 2nd wave...Just because they are planning doesnt mean that they are expecting. | |||
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"Corrupt World Health Organization Does a 180 - Now Says Asymptomatic Spread of Coronavirus is "Very Rare" We're being taken for fools. Did you read the article? They are now saying this based on new data from contact tracing. This was not available before. I would have thought an assumption that asymptomatic people could have passed on the virus was fairly logical." Some people eh...They expect the experts to have all the answers on day one. It doesn't work like that. | |||
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"Well if there is a second wave a lot of people around the world are going to die. The world can't afford another lockdown so we have just wasted 12 weeks. " Talking about prophesizing your next course of anti-depressants. What bollox …. why don't you give your head a wobble and swallow some happy pills instead! | |||
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"Well if there is a second wave a lot of people around the world are going to die. The world can't afford another lockdown so we have just wasted 12 weeks. Talking about prophesizing your next course of anti-depressants. What bollox …. why don't you give your head a wobble and swallow some happy pills instead!" I don't think there will be one but a lot do, so telling them what will happen if we do. | |||
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"Well if there is a second wave a lot of people around the world are going to die. The world can't afford another lockdown so we have just wasted 12 weeks. Talking about prophesizing your next course of anti-depressants. What bollox …. why don't you give your head a wobble and swallow some happy pills instead!I don't think there will be one but a lot do, so telling them what will happen if we do. " For clarity you have absolutely no evidence to base your statement of what will happen in the future. So you certainly can’t tell anyone ‘what will happen’, BUT I accept you are expressing your opinion which you are fully entitled to do so. Thus with the same theme in mind, I am expressing my opinion and stating that your doom and gloom laden prediction is bollox! | |||
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"Well if there is a second wave a lot of people around the world are going to die. The world can't afford another lockdown so we have just wasted 12 weeks. Talking about prophesizing your next course of anti-depressants. What bollox …. why don't you give your head a wobble and swallow some happy pills instead!I don't think there will be one but a lot do, so telling them what will happen if we do. For clarity you have absolutely no evidence to base your statement of what will happen in the future. So you certainly can’t tell anyone ‘what will happen’, BUT I accept you are expressing your opinion which you are fully entitled to do so. Thus with the same theme in mind, I am expressing my opinion and stating that your doom and gloom laden prediction is bollox!" so you believe no second wave and all back to normal in about 10 weeks | |||
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"Well if there is a second wave a lot of people around the world are going to die. The world can't afford another lockdown so we have just wasted 12 weeks. Talking about prophesizing your next course of anti-depressants. What bollox …. why don't you give your head a wobble and swallow some happy pills instead!I don't think there will be one but a lot do, so telling them what will happen if we do. For clarity you have absolutely no evidence to base your statement of what will happen in the future. So you certainly can’t tell anyone ‘what will happen’, BUT I accept you are expressing your opinion which you are fully entitled to do so. Thus with the same theme in mind, I am expressing my opinion and stating that your doom and gloom laden prediction is bollox!so you believe no second wave and all back to normal in about 10 weeks " Do you have a crystal ball? Do you know something we dont? Please share it we would all love to know what is going to happen | |||
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"Well if there is a second wave a lot of people around the world are going to die. The world can't afford another lockdown so we have just wasted 12 weeks. Talking about prophesizing your next course of anti-depressants. What bollox …. why don't you give your head a wobble and swallow some happy pills instead!I don't think there will be one but a lot do, so telling them what will happen if we do. For clarity you have absolutely no evidence to base your statement of what will happen in the future. So you certainly can’t tell anyone ‘what will happen’, BUT I accept you are expressing your opinion which you are fully entitled to do so. Thus with the same theme in mind, I am expressing my opinion and stating that your doom and gloom laden prediction is bollox!so you believe no second wave and all back to normal in about 10 weeks " Lol you are clearly deluded and enjoy making assumptions on the flimsiest of excuse. Clearly if you haven’t evidence to predict the future then neither have I. What I can say however is that you are clearly someone who enjoys being depressed and finds comfort in depressing all those around you. Enjoy your tunnel. | |||
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"Will there be a 2nd peak? If so when? If so why?" Likely winter And becaue the lockdown was removed too soon. It was only done to help the economy recover. | |||
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"Stats understated Did include care hines, at first as if there life didn't matter Sorry you seem nice couple but very naive if you believe stat over estamited We are in terrible place as Country Hope I'm wrong " Whether or not they include care homes or not the stats are still overly inflated. People are dying of cancer or heart attacks (for example) and are having Covid put down as cause of death because they aren't being tested | |||
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"This country is incapable of organising a piss up in a brewery. We believe in civil liberties, laissez-faire, common sense etc... All good but during in a pandemic, what you need is different. You need tough measures and disciplined citizens. In France people needed paperwork to get out of their house. Not very pleasant but it worked. In Germany, most people are disciplined. I often say that the way a country does roadworks reflects the way it is organised. No need for me to mention the dreadful state of our roads full of potholes and those roadworks that last for years. No planning. We wait for potholes to be craters before fixing them. We’re too reactive and not proactive enough. This gvt has played catch up since day one. Always a step behind. This sums everything up. The quarantine imposed since yesterday is a complete joke. On the news they showed Heathrow yesterday. No police or staff to check or inform people what to do. Shambolic. This gvt is full of rhetoric and that’s it. You scratch the surface and it’s full of shit underneath. And they still have the balls to tell us they’re doing a great job! " The way they do roadworks!! So true! | |||
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"Still waiting for the massive VE Day-inspired second wave. " those little street parties will be nothing compared to all those who have been attending the demonstrations. | |||
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"Still waiting for the massive VE Day-inspired second wave. those little street parties will be nothing compared to all those who have been attending the demonstrations." Assuming 0.11% of them were infected and an R of 3 how many would be infected now ? | |||
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"Still waiting for the massive VE Day-inspired second wave. those little street parties will be nothing compared to all those who have been attending the demonstrations. Assuming 0.11% of them were infected and an R of 3 how many would be infected now ?" ....go on..tell me... | |||
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"Still waiting for the massive VE Day-inspired second wave. those little street parties will be nothing compared to all those who have been attending the demonstrations. Assuming 0.11% of them were infected and an R of 3 how many would be infected now ? ....go on..tell me... "I don't know how many demonstrators there were, but I'd hazard a guess at less than 100 infections | |||
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"Still waiting for the massive VE Day-inspired second wave. those little street parties will be nothing compared to all those who have been attending the demonstrations. Assuming 0.11% of them were infected and an R of 3 how many would be infected now ? ....go on..tell me...
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"Still waiting for the massive VE Day-inspired second wave. those little street parties will be nothing compared to all those who have been attending the demonstrations. Assuming 0.11% of them were infected and an R of 3 how many would be infected now ? ....go on..tell me... I'll tell you......... nice arse " | |||
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