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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"? "

They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"?

They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

"

You seriously believe the figures the Yanks are churning out are accurate/truthful?

Trump will falsify those death rates big time. He's a lying twat and won't want anyone to know what the true numbers are due to the way he's handled the whole COVID crisis.

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By *elshcouple18Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Just need to look at how crowded the English beaches have been recently to understand why the death rate is so high here.. us Welsh still living under strict lockdown rulings.. and getting fined and turned away if not deemed locals..

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By *ctionnotwords69Man
over a year ago

ENFIELD

Two words....

Trump and Boris...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Two words....

Trump and Boris...

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That's three words...

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

1 death is 1 too many as far as I'm concerned. Especialy after Event 201 last October.

You can tot numbers up left right and centre but the fact remains 21st Century, medieval desease nothing being learned except being programmed to accept death.

Which makes me think is this virus being used as a convenient but unnecessary population control?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never a truer word said

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Certain aspects of the way that the UK and the USA have managed this are shared.

Both initially downplayed things. Lockdownss were started late, during periods of exponential growth, when the numbers of infected people were doubling every 3 days or so. Both have healthcare systems that have been underresourced, including many USA citizens without medical cover. Care homes in both countries were also left to struggle.

The late lockdown let infection numbers rocket. The official laissez faire attitude was the weak link that hamstrung the countries, potentially whilst the governing parties were very focused on businesses and the economy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"?

They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

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I see a lot less reports in China and India where they have a much bigger population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Certain aspects of the way that the UK and the USA have managed this are shared.

Both initially downplayed things. Lockdownss were started late, during periods of exponential growth, when the numbers of infected people were doubling every 3 days or so. Both have healthcare systems that have been underresourced, including many USA citizens without medical cover. Care homes in both countries were also left to struggle.

The late lockdown let infection numbers rocket. The official laissez faire attitude was the weak link that hamstrung the countries, potentially whilst the governing parties were very focused on businesses and the economy. "

Do you not think that things were "downplayed" due to wrong advice, e.g. Government was told by scientific advisors that we were 2 weeks behind Italy and that was exactly when we locked down. If you lock down to soon, people will break rules.

Also WHO and China not being 100% truthful and alerting countries sooner.

As for care homes, we didn't leave our residents to starve like Spain.

I don't think our health service is under funded either, there is just a lot of wasted money. We are 13 for best health care in the world.

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By *ike676767Man
over a year ago

Near Taunton

Both UK and US are very liberal nations that believe in freedom of expression and movement. The restrictions imposed by a lockdown are an anathema to those country's basic culture. So imposing was always going to be a last resort.

Britain is the most densely populated country in Europe and England even more so. London at 8m population is the biggest city in Europe. We are also an Economically transient country with an international travel hub with Heathrow and Rail routes to Europe. So no suprise that we have highest no. Of cases

Density of New York explains high volume of deaths there. Most US cases will be in the urban centres but vast tracks of the Mid West with open prairies with few settlements will be largely unaffected.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge


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They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

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Per Capita.. we are 3rd in the world, not total which is not the way to view it.

We believed the BS of Herd Immunity delaying crucial and precious tine.

Report today stating if they had moved a week earlier, deaths would be a third of todays total.

Two weeks earlier, it would be around 10%.

They also screwed up care homes by forcing hospitals to dump patients into care homes without testing.

If you look at excess death figures, this drowns the confirmed which is heading for around 100,000 at end of this month and astounding.

Idiots in government were too tied up with Brexit to see this bullet train arriving...

USA is because the idiot in charge, just like Borus at first said 'it was just like a Flu', later compounded by his claims it was all a Democrat HOAX.

America is heading headfirst into a massive second wave, 500,000 to 1,000,000 potentually will die in the long term.

They are "Warriors", so if a few die on the way - so what, is thier theory.

No Economy - No Trump

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

Oh, and not forgetting Trump's infamous rallie speech in March...

"The virus that we’re talking about having to do, a lot of people think that goes away in April, with the heat, as the heat comes in, typically that will go away in April,”

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Much as I dislike Jonson and even more so Trump, the statistics simply don't support the claims being made. Are death rate is not significantly different from France, Spain or Italy and the US's death rate currently is significantly lower. They are the facts.

Could we have done better? Yes we probably could. Could we have done worse? Yes we definitely could.

Until we get the final figures from all countries on excess deaths over the year it's simply impossible to judge how much better or worse any country has done, including Germany and South Korea.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

Deaths:

UK now has world's highest coronavirus death rate per capita passing Sweden.

Per capita,USA aren't even close.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

@_rfunboy

Oh and not forgetting how the world called Trump a racist when he was the first to impose the China travel ban back in January,Prompting Italy to encourage the hugging of everyone getting off planes from China, and then Nancy Pelosi days later on video telling the world to come to China Town just to point score. More than half the deaths are in Cuomo's NY because he forced cov folk into care homes whilst an empty federal ship was sat there. And the virus entered the USA via a care home in deepblue Washington state. Thank you.

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here


"Deaths:

UK now has world's highest coronavirus death rate per capita passing Sweden.

Per capita,USA aren't even close."

No it hasn’t.

San Marino 1238, Belgium 806, Andorra 660, Spain 580 are all higher than UK at 546, with Italy at 545.

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By *lirty and funMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Uk...has the highest density of population in Europe (of the large nations). Also, we have large numbers of visitors from Wuhan, and pretty sure we where getting infections as early as December just not picked up by the docs.

Yes, we should of shutdown earlier, but we did shutdown the same stage as our neighbours (ie first 50 cases or whatever it was).

Besides.. Look at all the idiots days before lock down fighting over toilet paper when the virus was spreading at its worst. That didn't help.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Deaths:

UK now has world's highest coronavirus death rate per capita passing Sweden.

Per capita,USA aren't even close."
rubbish you need to take a look at the figures .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Two words....

Trump and Boris...

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Now add cummings and the uk is about to get far worse in a second wave due to his arrogance.

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By *apiomanMan
over a year ago

Shipley


"?

They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

"

What stats are you looking at? John Hopkins University has the UK as 5th highest death rate in the world and Europe. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Answer is Boris

Refused to go to lockdown early enough

Cheltenham,marathons,concerts,football matches all allowed happen while rest of Europe in lockdown

Boris mixed messages from the very start,he proudly kept shaking hands,to this latest Cummings fiasco

Started track and tracing then stopped for a vital month then started again

I could go on and on

The Boris shit show will continue

He will be too late for second wave too and reopen too early again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Answer is Boris

Refused to go to lockdown early enough

Cheltenham,marathons,concerts,football matches all allowed happen while rest of Europe in lockdown

Boris mixed messages from the very start,he proudly kept shaking hands,to this latest Cummings fiasco

Started track and tracing then stopped for a vital month then started again

I could go on and on

The Boris shit show will continue

He will be too late for second wave too and reopen too early again

"

This sums it up very well, all the mixed messages and interpretations .

And this is the result of it all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"@_rfunboy

Oh and not forgetting how the world called Trump a racist when he was the first to impose the China travel ban back in January,Prompting Italy to encourage the hugging of everyone getting off planes from China, and then Nancy Pelosi days later on video telling the world to come to China Town just to point score. More than half the deaths are in Cuomo's NY because he forced cov folk into care homes whilst an empty federal ship was sat there. And the virus entered the USA via a care home in deepblue Washington state. Thank you. "

At least get your facts right. America placed ban on Flights from China on the 3rf February. Italy placed a ban on flights from China on the 31st January. Thank you.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

1. Lack of planning and preparation

2. Late in taking action.

3. Appalling performance from the Govt

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

The worst part of it all is I really believe the average person on the street could of handled it better than Boris

We had a he'd start here in this part of the world,if he fwlt out of his depth and confused,allhe had to do was follow the lead of other countries and he couldn't have failed

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Certain aspects of the way that the UK and the USA have managed this are shared.

Both initially downplayed things. Lockdownss were started late, during periods of exponential growth, when the numbers of infected people were doubling every 3 days or so. Both have healthcare systems that have been underresourced, including many USA citizens without medical cover. Care homes in both countries were also left to struggle.

The late lockdown let infection numbers rocket. The official laissez faire attitude was the weak link that hamstrung the countries, potentially whilst the governing parties were very focused on businesses and the economy. "

Spot on.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

The UK is fifth in the highest number of reported cases

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"Certain aspects of the way that the UK and the USA have managed this are shared.

Both initially downplayed things. Lockdowns were started late, during periods of exponential growth, when the numbers of infected people were doubling every 3 days or so. Both have healthcare systems that have been under-resourced, including many USA citizens without medical cover. Care homes in both countries were also left to struggle.

The late lockdown let infection numbers rocket. The official laissez-faire attitude was the weak link that hamstrung the countries, potentially whilst the governing parties were very focused on businesses and the economy.

Spot on."

Yep. This. And death rates are irrelevant, especially comparing them. All that matters is the actual number of deaths due to Covid 19 and whether or not your government could have done anything to prevent any of them.

Suggesting that our government's response wasn't so bad just because it compares well with the USA or Brazil, in deaths per million of population, really isn't good enough.

Yes, it could have been worse in the UK - but it could definitely have been better.

Italy commenced its lockdown on 9th March - a full two weeks before the UK did. Ours should have started the very next day - we could see what was going on - and we knew the virus was already in the UK by then. The UK's first death due to Covid 19 was on 6th March - and, by then, 20,000 people had been tested, with 163 showing positive.

The UK did not lockdown on 10th March. Instead, the Cheltenham Festival went ahead; it ended on 13th March, with about 125,000 people attending.

On 11th March, about 52,000 fans went to watch Liverpool vs Atletico Madrid. About 3,000 Spanish fans attended - against the advice of their government - though there was no lockdown in Spain until 16th March; which was still a week ahead of the UK's.

There is plenty of evidence that our government did not act quickly enough to control the spread of the virus - and, due to that, people have died who need not have been exposed to the virus in the first place.

The fact that other governments have fucked up worse than ours did doesn't absolve our own of responsibility.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Certain aspects of the way that the UK and the USA have managed this are shared.

Both initially downplayed things. Lockdowns were started late, during periods of exponential growth, when the numbers of infected people were doubling every 3 days or so. Both have healthcare systems that have been under-resourced, including many USA citizens without medical cover. Care homes in both countries were also left to struggle.

The late lockdown let infection numbers rocket. The official laissez-faire attitude was the weak link that hamstrung the countries, potentially whilst the governing parties were very focused on businesses and the economy.

Spot on.

Yep. This. And death rates are irrelevant, especially comparing them. All that matters is the actual number of deaths due to Covid 19 and whether or not your government could have done anything to prevent any of them.

Suggesting that our government's response wasn't so bad just because it compares well with the USA or Brazil, in deaths per million of population, really isn't good enough.

Yes, it could have been worse in the UK - but it could definitely have been better.

Italy commenced its lockdown on 9th March - a full two weeks before the UK did. Ours should have started the very next day - we could see what was going on - and we knew the virus was already in the UK by then. The UK's first death due to Covid 19 was on 6th March - and, by then, 20,000 people had been tested, with 163 showing positive.

The UK did not lockdown on 10th March. Instead, the Cheltenham Festival went ahead; it ended on 13th March, with about 125,000 people attending.

On 11th March, about 52,000 fans went to watch Liverpool vs Atletico Madrid. About 3,000 Spanish fans attended - against the advice of their government - though there was no lockdown in Spain until 16th March; which was still a week ahead of the UK's.

There is plenty of evidence that our government did not act quickly enough to control the spread of the virus - and, due to that, people have died who need not have been exposed to the virus in the first place.

The fact that other governments have fucked up worse than ours did doesn't absolve our own of responsibility."

Apparently the liverpool game has been linked directly with 40 odd deaths.

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By *ouldlove2Man
over a year ago

worthing

Should be like the Spanish police and there laws they are in charge not the stupid people, you don't spit at a Spanish police they will shoot you, well not really but have much more power, good

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Said it before when this is all over there needs to be a total independent enquiry into the entire shambles.

However I'm not holding my breath.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"@_rfunboy

Oh and not forgetting how the world called Trump a racist when he was the first to impose the China travel ban back in January,Prompting Italy to encourage the hugging of everyone getting off planes from China, and then Nancy Pelosi days later on video telling the world to come to China Town just to point score. More than half the deaths are in Cuomo's NY because he forced cov folk into care homes whilst an empty federal ship was sat there. And the virus entered the USA via a care home in deepblue Washington state. Thank you. "

agree, everyone was calling trump a knob head for stopping flights, a racist pig lol selective memory at play ..... However London to New York flights non stop, day in day out most likely didn't help us.... But so many clever wise people after events never before them lol

Ps just seen news and beaches packed again, now let's get Cummings and make him join all the hypocrites. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

USA never implemented lock down either ..dont add up

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By *oupleforxtrafunCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"? "

And you really believe them countries seriously

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA


"Said it before when this is all over there needs to be a total independent enquiry into the entire shambles.

However I'm not holding my breath."

I think there will be and it will probably show the uk has been average based on our European neighbours, not great not poor but average. Stats will continue to be used / manipulated to support either sides of any arguments by all parties. But I don't think it will be as damning as people expect.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"?

They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

What stats are you looking at? John Hopkins University has the UK as 5th highest death rate in the world and Europe. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality"

Those numbers confirm what I'm saying.

We are almost exactly on par with Italy and Spain, doing significantly better than Belgium, a little worse than France and Sweden and significantly worse than The US, Netherlands, Ireland and a few others.

However, as I've already said, no figures are reliable enough yet to draw any meaningful conclusions and won't be until a full years worth or more of excess deaths are available.

I'm not a supporter of this government or Johnson and I'm extremely against Trump and all he stands for but I'm also against using information and data to incorrectly make a point and, in this case, the data simply does not support the allegations being made.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

UK can't count and at present put most deaths down as the virus ...I know it's not right because a friend of our died last Friday eve .in hospital ...and certificate names virus ...he was rushed to hospital and died 3 hours later ...

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol


"?

They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

Surely most countries are doing this including the uk...

One lot of figures suggest 37, 000 another nos 42.000 yet another at 50,000 & yesterday somebody suggested the figure was 60,000 plus since December.

You seriously believe the figures the Yanks are churning out are accurate/truthful?

Trump will falsify those death rates big time. He's a lying twat and won't want anyone to know what the true numbers are due to the way he's handled the whole COVID crisis."

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"?

They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

What stats are you looking at? John Hopkins University has the UK as 5th highest death rate in the world and Europe. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Those numbers confirm what I'm saying.

We are almost exactly on par with Italy and Spain, doing significantly better than Belgium, a little worse than France and Sweden and significantly worse than The US, Netherlands, Ireland and a few others.

However, as I've already said, no figures are reliable enough yet to draw any meaningful conclusions and won't be until a full years worth or more of excess deaths are available.

I'm not a supporter of this government or Johnson and I'm extremely against Trump and all he stands for but I'm also against using information and data to incorrectly make a point and, in this case, the data simply does not support the allegations being made.

"

Have you looked at the excess death data too?

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

https://www.ft.com/content/4a91a414-4937-4c54-aa78-6d231f4a4e43

All still, of course, unclear at this stage.

Regardless, would it be okay that we have performed "averagely" when compared to what "good" means in lives?

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"UK can't count and at present put most deaths down as the virus ...I know it's not right because a friend of our died last Friday eve .in hospital ...and certificate names virus ...he was rushed to hospital and died 3 hours later ..."

Why are you here and not partying as it's all "gone away"?

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

https://www.ft.com/content/4a91a414-4937-4c54-aa78-6d231f4a4e43

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"@_rfunboy

Oh and not forgetting how the world called Trump a racist when he was the first to impose the China travel ban back in January,Prompting Italy to encourage the hugging of everyone getting off planes from China, and then Nancy Pelosi days later on video telling the world to come to China Town just to point score. More than half the deaths are in Cuomo's NY because he forced cov folk into care homes whilst an empty federal ship was sat there. And the virus entered the USA via a care home in deepblue Washington state. Thank you.

agree, everyone was calling trump a knob head for stopping flights, a racist pig lol selective memory at play ..... However London to New York flights non stop, day in day out most likely didn't help us.... But so many clever wise people after events never before them lol

Ps just seen news and beaches packed again, now let's get Cummings and make him join all the hypocrites. Lol "

It's not about stopping flights.

South Korea and Taiwan did not.

It's about implementation of the correct test, track and trace process.

We didn't. The US didn't.

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

The truth is, it's like comparing an apple with an orange. There are so many variables between countries, no figures are an accurate reflection.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Hmm that’s a tough one. Could it be that both countries voted to be run by vegetables instead of proper leaders ? Maybe it’s our fault , we’re sooo stupid !

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

@_asyuk

So I guess there's no connection between Milan Fashion week in February and thousands of Chinese flying in to attend.

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By *lamourpussyCouple
over a year ago

Warwick

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By *lamourpussyCouple
over a year ago

Warwick


"Just need to look at how crowded the English beaches have been recently to understand why the death rate is so high here.. us Welsh still living under strict lockdown rulings.. and getting fined and turned away if not deemed locals.. "

And despite that Wales has a higher death rate per head of population than England!

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By *ister.mrMan
over a year ago

birmingham

Is it because of the illegal migrants turning up on the south coast,is that how we are worse than france ,any signs of a cough and dinghy blows up on the beach with an escort to uk lol

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"?

They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

What stats are you looking at? John Hopkins University has the UK as 5th highest death rate in the world and Europe. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Those numbers confirm what I'm saying.

We are almost exactly on par with Italy and Spain, doing significantly better than Belgium, a little worse than France and Sweden and significantly worse than The US, Netherlands, Ireland and a few others.

However, as I've already said, no figures are reliable enough yet to draw any meaningful conclusions and won't be until a full years worth or more of excess deaths are available.

I'm not a supporter of this government or Johnson and I'm extremely against Trump and all he stands for but I'm also against using information and data to incorrectly make a point and, in this case, the data simply does not support the allegations being made.

Have you looked at the excess death data too?

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

https://www.ft.com/content/4a91a414-4937-4c54-aa78-6d231f4a4e43

All still, of course, unclear at this stage.

Regardless, would it be okay that we have performed "averagely" when compared to what "good" means in lives?"

Average is 'ok', and that's all I'm saying. If we had done something different might things be better? Possibly but possibly not too. What I am saying is that the data, including the excess deaths data, does not suggest that we have done significantly worse than anywhere else. Whether, when all this is over, our death rate will be significantly worse or better than the average only time will tell.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"@_rfunboy

Oh and not forgetting how the world called Trump a racist when he was the first to impose the China travel ban back in January,Prompting Italy to encourage the hugging of everyone getting off planes from China, and then Nancy Pelosi days later on video telling the world to come to China Town just to point score. More than half the deaths are in Cuomo's NY because he forced cov folk into care homes whilst an empty federal ship was sat there. And the virus entered the USA via a care home in deepblue Washington state. Thank you.

agree, everyone was calling trump a knob head for stopping flights, a racist pig lol selective memory at play ..... However London to New York flights non stop, day in day out most likely didn't help us.... But so many clever wise people after events never before them lol

Ps just seen news and beaches packed again, now let's get Cummings and make him join all the hypocrites. Lol

It's not about stopping flights.

South Korea and Taiwan did not.

It's about implementation of the correct test, track and trace process.

We didn't. The US didn't."

As I've been saying from the start of this crisis, that is the solution. Test, Isolate, Treat, Suppress.

There are definitely lessons to be learnt from this but, if we use the data to incorrectly to make claims that it simply doesn't support, it's unlikely that the correct lessons will actually be learnt.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

I notice the government has published the minutes and projections of sage and other advisory bodies today

Basically everything related to covid so Boris can say it was all their fault.

Probably trying to manipulate the press coverage away from his fuck buddy Cummings

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

I'm starting to think these forums are pointless, some try to debate and discuss and others just make random statements,

but thanks for the image of Donald trump counting dead bodies, 1 2 3 4 5 6 and then saying, let's make it 3 lol he must be sooo busy lol

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over a year ago


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And you really believe them countries seriously"

No I don't know what to believe about this virus any more

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

It’s far too early to tell what countries have faired better than others. This virus isn’t going away anytime soon. We may have recorded higher numbers of deaths than others but we also have more of our population carrying antibodies. Anyone blaming underfunding of the NHS has a screw loose. With no real effective treatments NHS intervention on infected patients has to date made only a marginal impact on reducing mortality of those infected. There are countries with no functioning healthcare who’s mortality from CV19 is no worse than ours. Had lockdown been imposed a week earlier it could have made a massive different but in all likelihood the public would not have complied as well and for so long and we could now be in an even worse position.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


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They aren't.

The death toll maybe higher but the death rate (deaths per million) in the UK is about average for Europe and currently in the US the death rate is actually lower than the European average.

What stats are you looking at? John Hopkins University has the UK as 5th highest death rate in the world and Europe. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Those numbers confirm what I'm saying.

We are almost exactly on par with Italy and Spain, doing significantly better than Belgium, a little worse than France and Sweden and significantly worse than The US, Netherlands, Ireland and a few others.

However, as I've already said, no figures are reliable enough yet to draw any meaningful conclusions and won't be until a full years worth or more of excess deaths are available.

I'm not a supporter of this government or Johnson and I'm extremely against Trump and all he stands for but I'm also against using information and data to incorrectly make a point and, in this case, the data simply does not support the allegations being made.

Have you looked at the excess death data too?

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

https://www.ft.com/content/4a91a414-4937-4c54-aa78-6d231f4a4e43

All still, of course, unclear at this stage.

Regardless, would it be okay that we have performed "averagely" when compared to what "good" means in lives?

Average is 'ok', and that's all I'm saying. If we had done something different might things be better? Possibly but possibly not too. What I am saying is that the data, including the excess deaths data, does not suggest that we have done significantly worse than anywhere else. Whether, when all this is over, our death rate will be significantly worse or better than the average only time will tell.

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It does say that we've done significantly worse than lots of places within Europe let alone dec loped economies around the world.

By definition and in fact. We are not "around the average" by any measure. We are right at the top.

What data are you looking at?

I can agree that in the end the outcome will be modified, particularly if there is a second wave.

However, the current data absolutely does not represent what you are claiming. Statista and Our World in Data. If you have another source please share.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


"The truth is, it's like comparing an apple with an orange. There are so many variables between countries, no figures are an accurate reflection. "

I know 2 blonde fat figures that are a very accurate reflection of each other

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"It’s far too early to tell what countries have faired better than others. This virus isn’t going away anytime soon. We may have recorded higher numbers of deaths than others but we also have more of our population carrying antibodies. Anyone blaming underfunding of the NHS has a screw loose. With no real effective treatments NHS intervention on infected patients has to date made only a marginal impact on reducing mortality of those infected. There are countries with no functioning healthcare who’s mortality from CV19 is no worse than ours. Had lockdown been imposed a week earlier it could have made a massive different but in all likelihood the public would not have complied as well and for so long and we could now be in an even worse position."

Absolutely zero indication that "more of our population carrying antibodies".

The NHS is running close to capacity and is understaffed due to underfunding so is unable to cope with a surge in demand. No "screw loose" required.

No equipment contingency despite pandemic review 2016. Not funded.

WHO guidelines for test, track and trace available since 2009. Not acted upon.

What information do you have to suggest that medical intervention only has a "marginal impact"?

There are countries with no functioning healthcare which do not gather data as they have no money or functioning state.

You have just said a load of things that you happen to believe without evidence.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

There is no way places like India Brazil Mexico where people are living on top of each other with no health system will fair better, they just aren't recording figures in the same way, do they even have care Homes?

Of course perhaps boris and Donald shook hands with so many people they caused the epidemic lol why haven't the haters started using that argument!

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"It’s far too early to tell what countries have faired better than others. This virus isn’t going away anytime soon. We may have recorded higher numbers of deaths than others but we also have more of our population carrying antibodies. Anyone blaming underfunding of the NHS has a screw loose. With no real effective treatments NHS intervention on infected patients has to date made only a marginal impact on reducing mortality of those infected. There are countries with no functioning healthcare who’s mortality from CV19 is no worse than ours. Had lockdown been imposed a week earlier it could have made a massive different but in all likelihood the public would not have complied as well and for so long and we could now be in an even worse position.

Absolutely zero indication that "more of our population carrying antibodies".

The NHS is running close to capacity and is understaffed due to underfunding so is unable to cope with a surge in demand. No "screw loose" required.

No equipment contingency despite pandemic review 2016. Not funded.

WHO guidelines for test, track and trace available since 2009. Not acted upon.

What information do you have to suggest that medical intervention only has a "marginal impact"?

There are countries with no functioning healthcare which do not gather data as they have no money or functioning state.

You have just said a load of things that you happen to believe without evidence."

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London


"There is no way places like India Brazil Mexico where people are living on top of each other with no health system will fair better, they just aren't recording figures in the same way, do they even have care Homes?

Of course perhaps boris and Donald shook hands with so many people they caused the epidemic lol why haven't the haters started using that argument! "

Why would we compare our performance with countries with underdeveloped healthcare systems?

Why does it matter?

Are we not a country that should be capable of delivering the best outcome possible?

Who is a "hater"? A "hater" of what?

Empty insults, nothing said.

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By *amba2Man
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Special relationship. Shoulder to shoulder

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts


"There is no way places like India Brazil Mexico where people are living on top of each other with no health system will fair better, they just aren't recording figures in the same way, do they even have care Homes?

Of course perhaps boris and Donald shook hands with so many people they caused the epidemic lol why haven't the haters started using that argument!

Why would we compare our performance with countries with underdeveloped healthcare systems?

Why does it matter?

Are we not a country that should be capable of delivering the best outcome possible?

Who is a "hater"? A "hater" of what?

Empty insults, nothing said."

Read the thread!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


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Yes, we should of shutdown earlier, but we did shutdown the same stage as our neighbours (ie first 50 cases or whatever it was)... "

You seem to have missed Germany in your comparison between the UK and European countries. Comparing their responses at similar case levels onwards provides a very stark contrast.

The UK and USA responses were similar, those in charge vacillating and likely not wanting to scare and impact the markets. Dithering and delays cost heavily with lives, in addition to the many poor actions taken, especially compared to others with greater success

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By *ncutgemMan
over a year ago

Bath ish


"Two words....

Trump and Boris...

That's three words..."

No two words. Smart arse

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay

Agency workers moving between care homes, releasing infected people from hospitals into care homes will account for a lot of UK death's I suspect, I think that's been stopped now.

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